C19 Open Discussion Week 38

From CNN:

Pfizer and BioNTech apply for FDA emergency use authorization for coronavirus vaccine

Pfizer and BioNTech on Friday submitted to the US Food and Drug Administration for emergency use authorization for their coronavirus vaccine candidate.

This is the first coronavirus vaccine to seek regulatory clearance in the United States. 

“It is with great pride and joy and even a little relief that I can say that our request for emergency use authorization for our Covid-19 vaccine is now in the FDA’s hands,” Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said in a video shared on Friday. “This is a historic day, a historic day for science and for all of us. It took just 248 days to get from the day we announced our plans to collaborate with BioNTech to our FDA submission day.

“We have operated at extraordinary speed in our clinical development program, from concept to regulatory filing, while always maintaining our focus on safety.”

The vaccine, known as BNT162b2, could potentially be available for use in high-risk populations in the United States by the middle to end of December, Pfizer and BioNTech said in a statement earlier Friday. The vaccine requires two doses a few weeks apart, and protection is achieved 28 days after the first shot. 

The submission to the FDA is based on results from the Phase 3 clinical trial of Pfizer’s vaccine, which began in the United States on July 27 and enrolled more than 43,000 volunteers.

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230 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 38

  1. grim says:

    3 for 3 at 90%+, from MarketWatch:

    AstraZeneca-Oxford COVID-19 vaccine can be up to 90% effective, late-stage trials show

    AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford said on Monday that their COVID-19 vaccine candidate was found to be as much as 90% effective in preventing infections, according to data from a late-stage clinical trial in the U.K. and Brazil.

    Interim analysis from the Phase 3 vaccine trial found that the experimental shot is 90% effective when administered as a half dose and then a full dose one month later. Effectiveness falls to 62% when two full doses are administered one month apart.

    “These findings show that we have an effective vaccine that will save many lives,” said Andrew Pollard, chief investigator of the Oxford Vaccine Trial, in a statement.

    “Excitingly, we’ve found that one of our dosing regimens may be around 90% effective and if this dosing regime is used, more people could be vaccinated with planned vaccine supply,” Pollard added.

    AstraZeneca’s vaccine candidate can be stored at normal refrigeration temperatures, not needing the supercool storage the Pfizer vaccine requires.

    “It is hugely significant from a logistics point of view that storage can be achieved at a normal refrigeration temperature of around -3 degrees. This makes it much more scalable and as such easier to deliver on a global scale,” said Michael Hewson, chief market analyst at CMC Markets U.K.

  2. dentss dunnigan says:

    First ..

  3. Very Stable Genius says:

    @EdwardNorton

    I’m no political pundit but I grew up w a dad who was a federal prosecutor & he taught me a lot & I’ve also sat a fair amount of poker w serious players & l’ll say this: I do not think Trump is trying to ‘make his base happy’ or ‘laying the groundwork for his own network’…

    …or that ‘chaos is what he loves’. The core of it is that he knows he’s in deep, multi-dimensional legal jeopardy & this defines his every action. We’re seeing 1) a tactical delay of the transition to buy time for coverup & evidence suppression 2) above all, a desperate endgame

    …which is to create enough chaos & anxiety about peaceful transfer of power, & fear of irreparable damage to the system, that he can cut a Nixon-style deal in exchange for finally conceding. But he doesn’t have the cards. His bluff after ‘the flop’ has been called in court…

  4. Joe says:

    I figured it out last night…. so far every deal I have lost out on is because someone overbid me with FHA financing. It pays to be highly Indebted now. I am pretty sure some of this crazy pricing is due to FHA madness.

  5. Bystander says:

    Uh oh, Truth, down an “alpha”. Posting patience if we want to defend the crazy train. Things moving quickly and people exiting the box cars

    President Trump’s campaign on Sunday distanced itself from Sidney Powell, saying that the lawyer who has been alleging voter fraud in the November election is “not a member of the Trump Legal Team.”

  6. BRT says:

    Don’t believe Ed Norton. He still owes Teddy KGB money.

  7. BRT says:

    I figured it out last night…. so far every deal I have lost out on is because someone overbid me with FHA financing. It pays to be highly Indebted now. I am pretty sure some of this crazy pricing is due to FHA madness.

    That’s been the case for years.

  8. njtownhomer says:

    “Interim analysis from the Phase 3 vaccine trial found that the experimental shot is 90% effective when administered as a half dose and then a full dose one month later. Effectiveness falls to 62% when two full doses are administered one month apart.”

    Such a bad messaging from a big pharma who should know better. Dosing is what they would recommend, so that is something they control already. Why not mentioning 90% as a single line-item with a strong constraint of the dose schedule.

    Looks like, JnJ is coming next Monday. As if these folks met in a secret location and pulled cards for several Mondays to pop up the news.

  9. ExEssex says:

    As the world celebrated a Biden-Harris victory, mental health professionals braced for the two-and-a-half months that we deemed would be the most dangerous period of this presidency. Indeed, in just the days since announcement of election results, Donald Trump has refused to concede, has obstructed a peaceful transfer of power, has fired and replaced top officials responsible for the nation’s security, and has contemplated catastrophic war. All this is on top of ignoring a surging pandemic that is now infecting more than 150,000 per day and killing more than 1,500 Americans per day.

  10. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    It is the final chapter before he leaves for Eagle’s Nest aka Mar a Largo. Scary times indeed.

  11. Phoenix says:

    Social Media is on a roll. Murphy got roasted like a Turkey. This one is going down in the books of history.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8977599/New-Jersey-coronavirus-Governor-Phil-Murphy-abused-lockdown-rules.html#v-580539864236051471

  12. Phoenix says:

    And from the same article. A police chief that says he WILL NOT enforce the law. As if that is supposed to be an option for them.

    “A ban on gatherings of more than 10 people is already in place across the state, though the police chief of Howell township has already said he won’t be enforcing it over Thanksgiving.

    Andrew Kudrick said he will be instructing his officers not to respond to call-outs unless an ‘egregious’ breach had occurred, calling the rules ‘draconian’.”

  13. Fast Eddie says:

    Initial doses of the Trump vaccine (It’s being used as the defacto term) are literally days away from being administered to front line works. It’s just an unprecedented achievement that will be the crown jewel of many achievements of this administration over the last four years. This plague that came upon us and the subsequent efforts and collaboration of government and private industry is a throwback to the halcyon days when these types of ventures were almost common place. I’m proud that this epic achievement was reached under the Trump administration. It gives us much hope that in 2022 and 2024, we will build off of the foundation that Trump created for other challenges, the greatest being the warped idea of removing American sovereignty and replacing it with a new world order.

  14. BRT says:

    I can’t stand Murphy, but he wasn’t breaking the rules he set here. He did, however, do it in Westfield earlier this year.

  15. Hold my beer says:

    Murphy looks like al bundy on meth

  16. Juice Box says:

    Kids are home from College? Those ladies should have swatted Governor Murphy again, his kids attend school out of state, daughter is at UVA and son is at Tufts.

    Both Virginia and Massachusetts are on the NJ 14 day quarantine list, both schools have Covid cases.

    https://returntogrounds.virginia.edu/covid-tracker

    https://coronavirus.tufts.edu/testing-metrics

  17. BRT says:

    in that case…maybe it is a case of do as I say, not as I do.

  18. Juice Box says:

    Yeah checked again Governor’s son dropped out of Tufts after his arrest, and went to Trinity in Connecticut. No idea if he is still there on a 5 or 6 year plan or home farting holes in the couch over on Navesink River Road.

  19. Very Stable Genius says:

    Michael Crowley
    By Michael Crowley
    Nov. 23, 2020, 12:00 p.m. ET
    WASHINGTON — President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. plans to name several top national security picks on Tuesday, his transition office said,

    including the first Latino to lead the Department of Homeland Security,

    the first woman to head the intelligence community and a former Secretary of State

    Mr. Biden will also nominate Linda Thomas-Greenfield to be ambassador to the United Nations and restore the job to cabinet-level status, giving Ms. Thomas-Greenfield, an African-American woman,

  20. Bystander says:

    Don’t worry Ed. Trump will be remembered as effective one term president like Carter.

  21. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    No comparison, obviously. The enthusiasm and achievements of this administration is evident. They crucif1ed him for four years and now expect unity and cooperation. You’ll now have to defend the actions of this incoming administration; one that will be back to business as usual. Paybacks, lobbyists, cronies, toadies all lining up for a piece of the action. Government against the people, by the regime, will be the norm. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what you can get from your country at the expense of others. We’ll plod along and the media will sing false praises for an establishment with no direction and no ideas.

  22. grim says:

    By the way, was listening to Pfizer CEO talk about vaccine distribution of their “very difficult to distribute ultra cold vaccine”

    They’ve been shipping it Fedex and UPS overnight with dry ice. All of the US Phase 3 trial participants received vaccines that were shipped in cardboard boxes via common carriers.

    He spoke about custom packaging being part of the phase 3 trial procedures.

    Media blowing up about the complexity of this – doesn’t seem like it’s an issue at all.

  23. chicagofinance says:

    The other kid got kicked out of Andover for getting caught multiple times smoking pot. My client’s son (was one of Murphy’s kid’s good friends) is currently a senior in a Prague private school trying to resurrect his college resume……. JMHO….Murphy should not not be eating out in public because it sends a bad message….. I don’t give a sh!t if that was his family.

    Juice Box says:
    November 23, 2020 at 11:42 am
    Yeah checked again Governor’s son dropped out of Tufts after his arrest, and went to Trinity in Connecticut. No idea if he is still there on a 5 or 6 year plan or home farting holes in the couch over on Navesink River Road.

  24. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: love this…. I was so engrossed in the guitar, I barely noticed the fcuk doll over his right shoulder in the reverse shots….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpq3YyfiJ9o

  25. leftwing says:

    “Media blowing up about the complexity of this [vaccine distribution] – doesn’t seem like it’s an issue at all.”

    Real estate grab by Biden. It’s clear the vaccine development was very successful under prior Admin, he won’t be able to claim credit for that.

    If he’s going to get his grubby hands on some claim, rather than just freeriding what’s already done, he needs to do something about the virus.

    To do something, he needs a ‘crisis’ to solve….

    Presto, change-o, we have a distribution crisis. Which Joe will solve…

    Whew, thank G0d for Joe, I was almost scared there for a bit….

  26. chicagofinance says:

    But left…… Trump didn’t help the economy…. it was Obama’s economy and Trump just claimed credit for it….

  27. chicagofinance says:

    “65% of Americans expect to have a fight on Thanksgiving”
    Scott Galloway

  28. LurksMcGee says:

    Phoenix 10:20

    I’ve met that police chief a few times (I live in the town). I was not surprised in the least when I read that.

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    it was Obama’s economy

    No economic year above 3% + zero rates * no manufacturing / no shovel ready jobs = Anemia. That was the Obammy economy.

  30. BRT says:

    This whole “gotta keep it cold” issue is sensationalist garbage. Food places ship stuff on dry ice daily. And, a cardboard box is the best container for dry ice. You want the CO2 to continually escape as it sublimes.

    As far as storing it in liquid nitrogen, you just need to store that in a dewar, which is a large glorified coffee mug with a vaccuum along it’s walls.

  31. Fast Eddie says:

    All I know is that binge watching “Breaking Bad” has taught me all I need to know about methylamine. :o

  32. crushednjmillenial says:

    Hey, Hey, LBJ,
    How many kids did you kill today?

    Hey, Hey, Gov. Murphy,
    How many bankrupt restaurants do you want to see?

  33. Bystander says:

    Yes, Trump helped by adding 2Trill to the credit card and the Fed helped by slashing rates back to 2008 after Dumpy’s stock market took a crash in Q4 2018..not to mention stealth 700B repo QE to bailout banking industry yet again in 2019. Can’t have anyone paying legit rates in ‘greatest economy ever in the history of mankind’. Remind me what when we got to Dumpy’s 6% GDP prediction? Obama – Mar 31, 2015 4.15% . Did Dumpy even get close to this? No, pencils down on Orange clown’s business greatness.

  34. Fast Eddie says:

    ‐ Oblammy is the only U.S. chief executive in history not to preside over even a single year with 3 percent GDP growth. From 1790 to 2000, U.S. real GDP growth averaged 3.79 percent

    ‐ During the Oblammy years, the number of Americans below the poverty line was up 3.5 percent.

    ‐ Real median household income: down 2.3 percent.

    ‐ Americans on Food Stamps — 33 million in 2008, 46 million in 2016: up 39.5 percent.

    ‐ National debt — $10.63 trillion in 2008 vs. $19.19 trillion (with six months left in his regime): up 80.5 percent.

    Internationally: Bowed to his enemies; the red line that wasn’t; retreating from Afghanistan as the Taliban took over; Iran nuclear deal; suck1ng Castr0’s c0ck; Abandoning Israel.

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden’s slogan: MAWA – Make America Weak Again.

  36. Libturd says:

    The Trump lies will live in infamy, by his supporters who took him at his word.

    Nearly every economic number Trump reported was just a hair better than Obama’s. If Obama created 100 manufacturing jobs. The deceiver in chief would create one more job and loudly pronounce how amazing he was. Of course, Trump came into office with an economy and market humming along quite well. Obama was forced to take over the biggest economic mess this country was in since the 30s. Go look at the manufacturing jobs created. Go look at the stock market increase. Both were incredibly similar. And it does appear that the market has remarkably returned to the slow and consistent melt-up that occurred for the 8 years of Obama now that the uncertainty of Trump and his schizophrenic leadership are over. But keep on posting the lies.

    “During Obama’s final three years, from January 2014 through January 2017, the nation added 8,079,000 jobs, an increase of 5.9%.

    During Trump’s first three years, from January 2017 through January 2020, the nation added 6,585,000 jobs, an increase of 4.5%.”

    Here’s a chart on Trump’s manufacturing jobs. Remarkably similar.

    https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

    Shall we talk about the stock market too?

    https://fortune.com/2020/11/03/obama-trump-stock-market-performance-s-p-500-spx/

    So just stop posting nonsense Fast Eddie. Do yourself a favor and actually look at the statistics.

    It wasn’t all fake news.

  37. Libturd says:

    It’s all deception Gary.

    Do I need to keep dispeling your myths?

    I thought I already covered the foodstamps.

    GDP growth? G.D.P. grew 2.5 percent for all of 2018.

    Shall I go on?

    Here’s your national debt chart.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/

    He was the worst president the United States ever has had. All he did was lie and pretend he was the greatest when he was actually an abject failure. Only his supporters swallowed his bullsh1t.

    It helps to be educated.

  38. Bystander says:

    Obama- two term winner with very high ratings.

  39. JCer says:

    Trump might be a moron, but objectively speaking the Obama presidency was a train wreck. I was a registered democrat prior to Obama’s first term, voted for him, it was a mistake. He was disingenuous, a bald faced liar, a crooked Chicago politician claiming to be a reformer. Obama was a distinct move away from Bill Clinton type centrist democrats towards the transgender restroom debate/cancel culture democrats. Objectively from a performance perspective the government was as poorly run as ever. From a foreign policy perspective our enemies got stronger and emboldened, terror gripped most of the middle east and eastern europe. Political ideologues were installed into bureaucratic government entities. Billions of dollars in “clean energy” spending was funneled back to political actors. They couldn’t even build a darn website for their “legislative crowning achievement” the ACA.

    Trump is a cartoon, a buffoon, a rude and crude bad person, but even he could not rise to Obama’s level of deception, corruption, and incompetence. For all the pointing at Trump’s handling of the COVID situation it would have looked the same or worse under the Obama administration. Again Trump as bad as he is in my mind has been the best president we’ve had since Clinton. Bush tanked the economy and dragged us into several unwinnable wars. Obama doubled down on the unwinnable wars, harmed the economy, using all kinds of divisive rhetoric literally divided the country and left office will little in the way of achievements and oh yeah totally subverted the transition process by spying on the incoming campaign and trying to take them down……

  40. JCer says:

    sleezebag>stroke victim

    I hope everyone enjoys how badly we will be fcuked over by neocons, and oligarchs when we could have had 4 more years of deadlocked government with Trump. I’m so fearful the dems will take the georgia races and the senate will fall in line allowing some REALLY bad legislation to pass.

  41. ExEssex says:

    Lies. That is all you have now Eddie/JCer. It’s…sad.

  42. Bystander says:

    Funny how no one on right hated all the trad Bush/McCain Rs until Trump and his big beautiful brain came along. I can almost recall Rs loving Bush during his first term, even recall re-electing him after his (now ‘insane’) wars started. Kind of remember Dems being called unpatriotic, Muslim supporting slime during that era when they challenged Patriot Act and WMD “discovery”. Good you guys came around 17 years too late.

  43. 3b says:

    I Am glad Trump is gone, if nothing else no more chaos. But make no mistake, Biden presidency will be back to the usual of bought and paid for politicians doing the will of those they are beholden to,and a few crumbs to the rest of us. And of course to keep the little people distracted and arguing with each other it will be more identify politics and slicing Americans into smaller and smaller pieces to keep us at each other’s throats. It won’t be morning in America as some here think it will be. Biden will be disastrous for the country; and the rapid decline will continue.

  44. BRT says:

    I hated Bush and McCain. I votes Ralph Nader three straight elections.

  45. ExEssex says:

    5:59 uNsAfe aT aNy sPeEd
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Nader.…what…a…trip. Rolls eyes.

  46. ExEssex says:

    TwitterMail
    One pretty good forecasting rule for the coronavirus era has been to take whatever Trump administration officials are saying and assume that the opposite will happen. When President Trump declared in February that the number of cases would soon go close to zero, you knew that a huge pandemic was coming. When Vice President Mike Pence insisted in mid-June that “there isn’t a coronavirus ‘second wave,’” a giant surge in new cases and deaths was clearly imminent.

    And when Larry Kudlow, the administration’s chief economist, declared just last week that a “V-shaped recovery” was still on track, it was predictable that the economy would stall.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/opinion/coronavirus-us-recession.html

  47. Grim says:

    Murphy don’t make pretty kids..

  48. Grim says:

    Market will respect Yellen as treasury secretary

    Safe pick

  49. 3b says:

    Grim Agree. Yelled a good choice for markets.

  50. chicagofinance says:

    People ask me what salary is high enough?

    Answer: You should make $100 more than the man who is married to your wife’s sister.

    Libturd says:
    November 23, 2020 at 4:38 pm
    Nearly every economic number Trump reported was just a hair better than Obama’s. If Obama created 100 manufacturing jobs. The deceiver in chief would create one more job and loudly pronounce how amazing he was.

  51. Chicago says:

    Left. That XOM/XLE has been a nice little booty call. I was straight long. Was your long synthetic? Double entendre intended.

  52. Libturd says:

    Chifi,

    That’s brilliant.

  53. No One says:

    JCer,
    I just read a column in The Economist associated with Obama’s third book about himself. They claimed he was such a uniter and too bipartisan for his own good. Attacked by tea party types that The Economist now declares motivated by racism.

    The Economist has been taken over by leftists. In contrast the article about Koch’s book was disdainful, peppered with progressive platitudes.

    As if there weren’t already enough left-leaning magazines.

  54. JCer says:

    No One, Obama was terrible and race has literally nothing to do with any of it. Frankly instead of Romney the republicans should have run Herman Cain. I firmly believe Cain could have pulled more of the black vote and working class vote than Romney who was so terribly out of touch.

    Racism works both ways, claiming Obama was a good or great president is the most racist sh*t you can come up with. Where were the results? How flawed were his executive orders? How much of a mess did he leave as a result of not cleanly governing and passing proper legislation? What did he expect when he poisoned the well and failed to compromise with the republicans to pass legislation? Much of the division was sowed by Obama and he owns Trump and the ridiculous alignment of both parties at this point. You need to give to get pushing your legislative agenda and then whining about racism when the opposition party shoots it down is not a winning strategy.

  55. seletron.com says:

    I’m gone to say to my little brother, that he should also visit this weblog on regular basis to take updated from hottest information.

  56. SomeOne says:

    JCer,

    I’m so fearful the dems will take the georgia races and the senate will fall in line allowing some REALLY bad legislation to pass

    Like a couple of percent tax hike on people making more than 400k/yr AGI?

  57. Phoenix says:

    So the government is fine with all of our information/data being for sale, but not for a select few. The whole world gets moved when one of them gets killed, but if it’s your daughter or son ahh you should have been a judge or cop. Then you get to be legally anonymous.
    Some animals are more equal than others.

    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/new-jersey-protect-judges-personal-info-law/2606047/

  58. Phoenix says:

    Amazing how they can pass this law in ten minutes, but are completely unable to pass a law against robocalls that have a 5 year jail sentence.
    Of course that would help us plebs but we are just nuisance animals designed to work and milked of money through taxes to feed the public pipeline.

  59. leftwing says:

    “Funny how no one on right hated all the trad Bush/McCain Rs until Trump and his big beautiful brain came along.”

    I take exception to that. On the record well longer than the decade+ I’ve been on here that the Establishment Center is the biggest threat to the daily well being of the average citizen.

    “And of course to keep the little people distracted and arguing with each other it will be more identify politics and slicing Americans into smaller and smaller pieces…”

    LOL. Right on cue CBS tees up the number of ‘firsts’ in his cabinet. Went from large demographic groups – eg, gender – to some pretty micro ones. As well, the petulant children (ie, MSM) are now cheery and happy. No more screeching. No more stridency. No more snark. They got their lollypop, the world is good again, and the tantrums have stopped. Really sad the disposition of our networks is emotionally equivalent to a three year old.

    “Grim Agree. Yelle[n] a good choice for markets.”

    Haven’t seen even trinkets to the Progressive wing yet…things may become uncomfortable sooner rather than later for Joe….

    Chi, yeah, XOM was a nice move. Synthetic long one, that kind of comes with age y’know ;) Crazy market though, probably have to go back some distance to see so little movement in the headline SPX but so much movement underneath…

    Leaving for Turkey Day today….after much debate (none from me) the family has decided to congregate at my (80+ y.o.) parents’ house…..NJ, OH, TN, NY attendees….I grabbed a hotel room in one of those suite places after researching cleaning policies. Certain we are breaking some preening little fcuk Guv’s order but it was their decision…and their decision to make. We’ve pretty much all quarantined the last week+ and TN has also tested…See how it goes….my only request was that if LEO shows up I’m allowed to be the one to ‘handle’ it….LOL.

  60. Phoenix says:

    Outcry on Showtime is an excellent flic to watch over the Thanksgiving holiday. Good overlook on how the system really works. Officer in that show was like Willoughby from a Looney Tunes cartoon. No standards required for that hire.

  61. Phoenix says:

    Lw
    Doesn’t matter. You will know how to make money under a Biden presidency. Just make the best of it.

  62. Phoenix says:

    “Murphy don’t make pretty kids..”

    That’s cold.

  63. leftwing says:

    Phoenix, I’ll be fine.

    I truly care for others though, and I care about doing what’s right…….the upcoming generations literally have no idea how fcuked they are….

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Roaring 20’s 2.0? Get this virus out of the way and buckle up your seatbelts

    “Data firm IHS Markit said its composite index of U.S. business activity, which covers both the services and manufacturing sectors, showed the strongest rate of growth since March 2015. An increase in new orders helped drive the gains, while business confidence also improved, Paul Hannon and Amara Omeokwe report.”

  65. Phoenix says:

    Lw,

    I as well even though I might come across cold at times. Have to insulate, just see too much.
    I am constantly training the youth, just got a new group this week. I don’t know if its because I am old but they do think differently. Most are a real pleasure to work with. Yet it is amazing how naive some are yet highly educated.

    Yesterday a divorced single co worker told me she sold her house in North Jersey and is building a 600k house in South Jersey. I asked her does anyone live with you? She said no. So why build a 600k house at 63 years old? She said, for the resale value. Her last house had a 20k tax bill, this one 10k so to her it was a bargain. I don’t know the details of her marriage, but I can approximate her salary and there is no way she would be buying a house that expensive based on that.

    In my 60’s I would prefer to downsize. To her it’s about “resale value.”

  66. Phoenix says:

    Xfinity to bring data caps soon with additional fees for excess use.

    Enjoy those 4k televisions and all of that zooming. Expect the teachers to demand the taxpayers pay for it while the rest of us physically go to work and the kids fall behind.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/11/comcasts-data-cap-finally-goes-nationwide-in-expansion-to-12-more-states/

  67. 3b says:

    Phoenix Bad decision on that woman’s part. A lot of people are going to get burned with this housing bubble. Massive mortgage payments and tax bills, an albatross around their necks. People never learn.

  68. 3b says:

    Phoenix: School choice is going to be an issue that increases with all of this. People won’t want to be held hostage to teachers and their corrupt unions.

  69. Juice Box says:

    Covid-19 Testing in NJ still seems very sparse.

    When I check the NJ website, there are only 12 places to get a free test in the entire state. Everywhere else it’s a public cattle call to urgent care centers.

    For example Bergen county has no free pop up testing right now and only seven urgent care clinics doing the testing listed on the state testing site for a population of 932 million people. That seems way undersized for an epidemic.

    It looks to me like the regular doctors offices are all refusing to take swabs and send them to the lab. This is what was told to me by my kids Pediatrician anyway the insurance was not paying enough to do a swab and send it out, and they would not take cash. I interpreted that as they don’t want any chance of shutting down again do to a Covid positive person coming into their waiting rooms and offices.

    Huge lines in NYC too, seems they are not doing much better only urgent care available and six hour lines standing next to sick people?

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/23/nyc-sees-six-hour-lines-for-covid-19-testing-ahead-of-thanksgiving/

    There was Billions allocated to the states from the Feds for testing in April, it seems the money went into somebody’s pocket. They States are supposed to run these programs.

    What will Joe Biden do? Come January 2oth when he becomes president this epidemic should be allot worse. More money to states who will either not use the money to expand state testing, or punt to private testing? At this point we should already have widespread accurate molecular tests that can be quickly administered at home. The idea that you need a doctors pr*escript*ion and have to wait in a cattle call is utter nonsense at this point nearly 9 months into this epidemic.

    In a mere 56 days it will be Joe Biden’s problem when there is not enough testing and people are 20,000 people are dying every week.

  70. Juice Box says:

    correction 932 thousand people in Bergen County.

  71. Chicago says:

    Phoenix: I had a drag out argument with a client who had 2/3 of her account in AT&T because of the dividend. My point is that you can’t get blood from a stone.

  72. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    At first I thought it was because of her ego, that’s why I asked. No man to clean the gutters, etc, no way her oversized ham hocks are climbing a ladder. She will be paying for all of it. She makes a decent salary, but no way would she be able to do this on her own.

    She married up and took a huge bite out of his wallet during the divorce it seems.
    Not my circus, not my monkeys.
    Just did not thing it made sense. I’d want a ranch, no steps to fall, easy to clean gutters, low pitched roof-even if I could afford more I would not want it.

  73. Phoenix says:

    Phoenix: School choice is going to be an issue that increases with all of this. People won’t want to be held hostage to teachers and their corrupt unions.

    This exact subject came up yesterday. Many in my profession are very angry about this. A comment about paying 20k in school taxes with teachers not wanting to work and claiming disability while we all show up every day in an even worse environment. I think you are right about this..

  74. Phoenix says:

    Juice
    I can tell you for a fact that some of those testing materials are in short supply. The demand is off the scale. You need to take a test in order to sit next to Grandma at Thanksgiving.

    It’s not like the USA knows how to manufacture anything anymore either. We are a country of outsourcers.

  75. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Agree , ranch little maintenance, all one floor. I don’t understand why at her age or any age people want those monstrosities. This last 25 years or so of Mc Mansion building, will be one day called the worst period of residential architecture/construction. I can’t believe how incredibly ugly so many of these are. I know some people who every dime has gone into these things. These folks are 50 plus and have never been outside the US with the exception of the Caribbean. To each his own but no thanks, would rather travel and see and experience things

  76. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – re: ” testing materials are in short supply”

    They should not be in short supply. Huge sums of money were allocated in April.
    We were calling for the end of “Just-in-time” manufacturing model for these materials including PPE back then.

    I found they are tracking supplies and shortages here, seems it is not just Covid testing that is in short supply.

    The results also show the following non-COVID-19 shortages for the week of Nov. 10-17, 2020:
    74.4% of labs have a shortage of commercial testing kits for SARS-CoV-2.
    56.4% of labs have a shortage of non-COVID-19 testing supplies for detection of routine bacteria (including the bacteria causing strep throat, pneumonia, bronchitis and urinary tract infections).
    65.8% of labs have a shortage of supplies for the molecular detection of sexually transmitted infections.
    27.3% have a shortage of supplies for mycobacteria testing (including supplies for tuberculosis (TB), Buruli ulcer and pulmonary nontuberculous mycobacterial disease testing).
    12.1% of labs have a shortage of supplies for routine fungal testing (ranging from superficial, localized skin conditions to deeper tissue infections to serious lung, blood (septicemia) or systemic diseases).

    https://asm.org/Articles/2020/September/Clinical-Microbiology-Supply-Shortage-Collecti-1

  77. 3b says:

    Phoenix: There are teachers i know same thing don’t want to teach, even when it’s remote and they are the only one in the classroom.

  78. 3b says:

    Juice: Fairytale of New York will not be played on BBC and other stations as some people may find the lyrics offensive. Apparently there are sanitized versions that will be played. Meanwhile Cardi B can rap about her Vag, and that’s OK. Just saying.

  79. Phoenix says:

    Ranch w/full unfinished basement. Water leak in bathroom, no problem. Need to get to pipes, no problem. Need to run wiring, no problem-can go from above or below. House temp stable- no chimney effect from stairway-no hot bedroom and cold living room. Furnace, etc easy to get to. If you are into Christmas, the man will live longer as he is less likely to break a hip and die hanging lights or cleaning gutters. (sorry wives that want to collect life insurance from the guy you hate to hear the sound of his breathing as you find it annoying.) Laundry on first floor makes life easy (sorry guys who are hoping wife falls down flight of stairs with basket of laundry.)

    Cons: need more land to get what your “wife” will accept as adequate square footage for shoe storage, kitchen space, and best most importantly, entertaining to the level she is accustomed to. More block than wood so basement expensive, same with roof, more shingles, higher price for that.

  80. Chicago says:

    Left. I backed up the forklift for DIS at 90.

    My STFU and listen to me trades were JPM and DIS.

  81. Juice Box says:

    3b and Phoenix – People do stupid things when they qualify for loans. I find it comical that the banks give 30 year mortgages to people near retirement. Who gives a 63 year old a mortgage? A Bank does. Case in point a male co-worker got re-married at age 55 to a nice Blue Ribbon teacher (bankrupt). Both had grown kids who moved out. As soon as they were married the complaints started that she could not live in their nice “little” townhouse so they sold his nice little townhouse to go all in on a massive Center Hall colonial on an acre down in the boondocks off Rt 80 west with a big fat mortgage and 12k in taxes. He got sick and retired a few years later at age 62, and she has a bad back and still drives over 85 miles round trip to teach. I would say they are having a tough time paying for the upkeep on one salary now and the meager retirement he has.

    Maybe they will find a New Yorker willing to pony up so they can downsize again to ranch in one of those retirement communities in cheaper PA.

  82. Phoenix says:

    Watch any “house shopping” show and you will see which gender controls a house purchase. It all starts with the “get down on your knee” thing and does not end.

    Watched one of those shows once with a homosexual couple, looking to choose between 3 homes. The two “guys” were very different. Guess which “gender” made all of the demands about the house and the kitchen, trying to convince the partner into spending more money than they planned for a home. Even for them some things are still the same.

    Guess for women if you are planning to take half (or more) 7 years down the road the smart move is to sucker your man into pumping tons of cash out in that house. You are just pimping it up for you to profit later.

    A fancy house makes a woman tickled pinker than a sunburned caucasian.

  83. Juice Box says:

    3b – re: Pogues….Who listens to terrestrial radio? Go listen to some now classic Mojo Nixon on Outlaw Country, or classic EAZY-E on Hip-Hop Nation when driving. Make sure you blast it so that the other cars at the stop light can hear it.

    There is a channel for everyone if you are willing to pay for it or not if you know how to torrent songs. I have a nice collection, haven’t updated it in a while well since you know longer need to with all the streaming music.

  84. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – your burn seems a little deeper than the skin for many divorcees I have known.
    Yeah we know you got knocked around by the cops and the courts. Perhaps you can write a best seller with all that angst.

  85. Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    If I only had the talent to write….

  86. BRT says:

    3b and Phoenix – People do stupid things when they qualify for loans. I find it comical that the banks give 30 year mortgages to people near retirement. Who gives a 63 year old a mortgage? A Bank does.

    I had a 65 year old coworker who bought a 1 million dollar home off a 10 year arm. Didn’t have the money to do it long term. He literally said to me, “I’ll be 75 when the interest rate resets, who cares?”. He’s now 71.

  87. A Home Buyer says:

    Crazy Old Home Buyers:

    The widowed women we bought our current house from falls into this category. In her late 60’s she bought a “large” house.

    She lived there for three (3) months before she listed it. She did not realize how much “work” was involved with a home and had to get out before winter. In that initial 3 month period of time, she somehow managed to kill the yard and gardens.

    She felt that she could ask 40K more for the property in this condition then she paid 3 months ago. She was not going to lose any money on this house.

    After a 6 months on the market, we got a call back from their sniveling realtor asking if our “outrageous” low ball offer (2K more then she paid) was still on the table. We politely said yes.

    Our realtor was POS though too. They went on vacation and failed to tell anyone in their office about our closing date. We represented ourselves at the closing. To boot, the seller’s realtor sent their adult child in their stead because they had something else to do. I’m not sure the child was even an employee of the agency…

    Such bitter memories of that transaction… Currently sitting on a 20% increase in perceived value thanks to COVID though.

  88. 3b says:

    Juice: It’s insane , why would anyone in their 50 s or 60s do that ! The guy had a nice situation and throws it away to please some woman second time around!! I don’t know why people want to get married again after divorce. My brother is divorced for years and is still looking for the right one. I say one and done.

  89. Fast Eddie says:

    I love house tour guide stories. I have so many vivid memories by this breed. My all time favorite is one telling us to take a 2nd mortgage to buy another house and lie to the bank the reason for the loan.

  90. 3b says:

    Juice: I have Sirius was not a fan of paying for radio initially but glad I did. Always a big fan of the Pogues. I met Shane Mc Gowan years ago in a pub in Tipperary, what a night that was! He is a mess but incredibly talented.

  91. Crushednjmillenial says:

    Sitting in my car on one of NJ’s glorious main streets. The Christmas wreathes are hung. People are hustling and bustling about and the sun is shining.

    Just watched fat Karen the shrew walk into a pastry shop and walk out with a 20-lb. brown bag and plop into her white bmw suv. I’m presuming the fancy deserts are for a thanksgiving get-together. 180k new cases per day nationwide. Buckle up out there, Covidland, next week is going to be turbulent.

  92. BRT says:

    I nearly bought Sirius for Howard but was able to find the show on Bittorrent at the time. Stop listening after Artie nearly killed himself. At that time, they were offering the lifetime deal, which would have been a steal in hindsight. I don’t mind terrestrial radio though. I get most of the Philly stations which still play some goods 70s/80s/90s.

  93. Fast Eddie says:

    Did anyone read about the couple from Rochester looking for a house with a budget of around $400K? It was in the real estate section of last week’s Record. It’s on northjersey.com for those with a subscription. The couple really liked Montclair and Ridgewood until they realized you couldn’t get a garage for their price range. lol. I think they settled on a house in the Morris Plains area for around 600K.

  94. Juice Box says:

    3b – My Co-worker was lonely for perhaps a decade. His first wife kicked him to the street in his mid-40s and traded up, something he did not deserve, he was very fit, not abusive, did not drink etc, but she wanted to trade up $$$ and had met and then later married “international business man”. During the last bubble she sold the home in Morris county as soon as the youngest graduated high school and she retired early to live on the intercoastal in Florida on the water. The 2nd husband “business man” cheated and unfortunately she went off the deep end and killed herself over it before the divorce was final. 2nd husband then got everything and my co-workers kids got nothing, not even the 401k.

    People do strange things for love and banks are happy to give them mortgages at any age it seems. I even heard recently of an 82 yr old getting a mortgage to live in one of those retirement communities in Bricktown.

  95. Fast Eddie says:

    The DOW hits 30,000. Yet another achievement for the Trump administration.

  96. 3b says:

    Juice: That is a sad story. A Little karma in it too.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dow 30k, ladies and gentlemen!! Let’s get it!! Roaring 20’s 2.0 is coming!!

  98. 3b says:

    Juice: My 93 year old Irish Aunt who never married says there is no such thing as love it’s all about security! Especially for middle aged single women looking for a man!

  99. Phoenix says:

    “She did not realize how much “work” was involved with a home ”

    Yeah, that’s cause they never do it. You might hear her complain about the dish in the sink but her stump legs and arms never climb a ladder to fix a leak in the roof.

    “is no such thing as love it’s all about security!” Yeah that’s why the kids of the Co-worker did not get a dime. Guess she was never interested in their “security” only her own lazy early retiring couch divoting derriere.

  100. Phoenix says:

    Crushed,
    Karen is now on her way to the liquor store to load up with gallons of wine.
    Too bad she is not a happy drunk.
    But her appendages will probably get her out of a ticket anyway.

  101. Bystander says:

    Thank you President Biden. Market is forward looking afterall

  102. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t know man…… in my town Phoenix seems to be right on the money….. I hate stupid…. I hate bitch…. but a stupid rich bitch that has done nothing but marry takes up all the oxygen in the room…

    Juice Box says:
    November 24, 2020 at 10:27 am
    Phoenix – your burn seems a little deeper than the skin for many divorcees I have known.
    Yeah we know you got knocked around by the cops and the courts. Perhaps you can write a best seller with all that angst.

  103. chicagofinance says:

    Looks as if the reset could be down….. he made a good choice….. it’s like sitting in a cas!no and watching someone double down with a 12 and get a 9….. can’t argue with results, it’s a waste of time.

    BRT says:
    November 24, 2020 at 10:52 am
    3b and Phoenix – People do stupid things when they qualify for loans. I find it comical that the banks give 30 year mortgages to people near retirement. Who gives a 63 year old a mortgage? A Bank does.

    I had a 65 year old coworker who bought a 1 million dollar home off a 10 year arm. Didn’t have the money to do it long term. He literally said to me, “I’ll be 75 when the interest rate resets, who cares?”. He’s now 71.

  104. Phoenix says:

    Chi,

    Karens were like a hurricane with no weather forecast. No one noticed this type brewing in the distance. Until someone points out that they are all around you. Then you see it, it starts making sense. They become much easier to spot. Their narcissism becomes much more visible once you are no longer willing to overlook it.

    Funny thing is it is the children of parents that seemed to notice this way more than the adults did. And today’s kids are vocal, confrontational, and are not going to put up with Karen.

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    Thank you President Biden. Market is forward looking afterall

    Aww… how cute. Let’s see what 47 years of a do-nothing politician has in store for us. Forward looking for sure. As in, the Trump vaccine will be administered to every American by the time leaves bloom in the spring. As in, cruise lines, air traffic, resorts, amusement parks and travel will be back to normal. Unprecedented… from a global plague to a vaccine discovery to full recovery in a year or slightly more.

  106. Fast Eddie says:

    The democrats crown achievements: Gender identity, multi-sex bathrooms and p.ussy hats. LOL.

  107. chicagofinance says:

    I am literally watching a man setting himself up for an early grave because the wife wants a beach house. I said to her why aren’t you looking for full-time xxxx….. response, “oh, I just don’t want to work that hard”. I say ” I thought your husband was going to downshift xxxxx”….. Followed by, “I know we thought 2 more years, but I need him to work longer at (death march job)”.

    OMG you b!tch, are you crazy? and you have not only the lack of moral compass to think such things, but the certitude to actually say it to me in plain language.

    and here is the rub…….. she is an absolute obese careless slob….. what a poor guy!

    Phoenix says:
    November 24, 2020 at 12:04 pm
    Chi,

    Karens were like a hurricane with no weather forecast

  108. Bystander says:

    A little angry about one term loser’s legacy? Maybe he should sue the pharmas? Oh wait, he had another “achievement” this week. He lowered drug prices by exec order. A stunt to try to hurt pharma. Wonder why they turned on him when he lowered tax rates and gave them greatest economy in the history of mankind. The red hat logic is all so confusing.

  109. Fast Eddie says:

    The O’Biden presidency:

    – $11,000,000,000,000 in new federal spending over the next decade.
    – $1,400,000,000,000 to expand Oblammy Care.
    – $2,000,000,000,000 on the green new deal. We all know what happened when Oblammy tried this approach. Wait until you see the gluttony from the consultant world on this heist!
    – $1,500,000,000,000 on education. It’s for the children, except it’s really not. Shhh, don’t say a word about those administrative hirings and pay raises! Dems love pay raises… tax dollars are free!
    – $3,300,000,000,000 on a stimulus plan. You know, shovel ready jobs.

    All this on tax hikes of $3,600,000,000,000, the largest and permanent tax hike since WWII. Much of it coming from corporate taxes. The national debt will still increase by $5,600,000,000,000 over the next decade despite the tax extortion. Oh, and don’t forget the Oblammy care individual mandate being reinstated. And those corporate tax increases are simply those paying their fair share, except when the burden gets passed onto the shareholders and ultimately the working class. No raises and hiring for you. In fact, we will lose 5 million jobs by 2030 and incomes will be less than they are today. The regulation roll-backs should help, as well (cough). But it’s all in the name of caring and compassion. All this and the old f.uck shitt1ng his pants on a regular basis.

  110. Bystander says:

    R achievements – Kyle Rittenhouse’s bail, stand by Clan rallies, cuck trists under Jesus portrait , QaNon “I’m with stupid *arrow pointed up* ” tshirt shortage for size XXL, TRUMP 2020 hat fire sale, though XS and irregular sold out months ago.

  111. Bystander says:

    Print, print and print some Ed..yeehaw..who gives a sh*t anymore, just enjoy the ride, Ed..or don’t.

  112. ExEssex says:

    12:16 Hey choices have consequences. She was probably hot in 2002

  113. SomeOne says:

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 24, 2020 at 11:29 am
    The DOW hits 30,000. Yet another achievement for the Trump administration.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 22, 2016 at 9:41 am
    DOW 19,000. Thank you, President Trump!

  114. A Home Buyer says:

    I see what you did there… ;)

  115. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – re: unprecedented

    Nope, we are fast becoming England, a nation of shopkeepers.

    China has inoculated over a million people with the SinoPharm inactivated Covid-19 vaccine. It’s made from the traditional methods like the Flu Vaccine.

    The call it “New Crown”

  116. FatEddieNeedTo Spend3WeeksinIraq says:

    Fast Fat Eddie,

    Think about your life 20 yrs ago? 10 yrs ago?
    What is making you so miserable that you hate your fellow Americans. Frankly a North Korean soldier would have more empathy for your fellow countryman than you at this time. And it is just not you, the question of who gets elected to Senate in GA comes down to – Do you want to stick it to darky? or Do you want your kids and grandkids to have a better future?

    Facts are real, not believing it because it does not fit your ideas of “facts” is called “cognitive dissonance” and makes for real bad future, see Wily E. Coyote of Bugs Bunny cartoons. Even Charles Koch just admitted that their screwing around has made things worse.

    I bet that you are not a “loser”, and because you never served in uniformed in one of those hellholes that people have a visceral hate of each other, you really are naive and innocent of the true reality your wish of hell on earth that you and many like you seem to be wishing on your fellow Americans.

    Finally, realize that a lot of the information out there is being heavily manipulated. How much, well. I just was cleaning up bookmarks that go all the way back to 2007 era financial crisis. I was astounded how many of them are still around, but not like before. They are all ravenous lunatic fringe right wing, all have basically the same look and feel, but they are not the original website writers and publishers. Someone took over when they discontinued and made it a look just like before.

  117. joyce says:

    Even Charles Koch just admitted that their screwing around has made things worse.

    He said partisanship is a mistake.

  118. D-FENS says:

    Markets would have gone up no matter who becomes president. They are anticipating the vaccine and more stimulus.

  119. joyce says:

    Trump is that good.

    SomeOne says:
    November 24, 2020 at 1:31 pm
    Fast Eddie says:
    November 24, 2020 at 11:29 am
    The DOW hits 30,000. Yet another achievement for the Trump administration.

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 22, 2016 at 9:41 am
    DOW 19,000. Thank you, President Trump!

  120. Fast Eddie says:

    What is making you so miserable that you hate your fellow Americans.

    How quaint… fellow Americans. As if your view of America resembles mine. Now we ask for unity, healing and reflection. Ask your question to the democrats who excoriated and vilified the Trump administration with counterfeit dossiers, collusion accusations and a daily blitzkrieg of tabloid negativity by the media and it’s vassals. And facts are real? Here’s a fact: Your side represents little to nothing regarding the effort it takes to be held accountable for personal obligation. According to your lot, capacity and position is measured by entitlement, not performance. Individual burden in the eyes of a utopian escapist should be shared and distributed so as to disguise their failures due to lackluster attempt.

  121. D-FENS says:

    The bombing, regime change and nation building overseas will likely start again. Maybe pick up some Lockheed martin or Boeing or defense stocks.

  122. Fast Eddie says:

    And isn’t interesting that I’m accused of having personal issues due to some past trauma or negative experience yet members of congress and other high level politicians are calling for resistance, are told not to concede if an election is lost, ordered to impeach the mutherf.ucker, are threatened by celebrities, some who stated they would punch the president in the mouth or cut off his head, loot and burn stores, toppling historical monuments, taking over whole city blocks and attacking people who are dining at a table. There’s your fellow countrymen.

  123. No One says:

    Everyone get hyped for “Industry” a new HBO series revolving around new young hires at an English investment bank. The theme is race and class struggle and intersectionality and is directed by the one of the world’s leading boner-killers Lena Dunham.
    Perfect training for next-generation limousine liberals planning to get rich at Goldman before turning government overlord, I mean entering “public service” like Phil Murphy.

  124. ExEssex says:

    Former CIA Director John Brennan, a vocal Trump critic, on Monday took to Twitter to announce that he now plans “to ignore Trump,” and will “leave his fate to our judicial system, his infamy to history, & his legacy to a trash heap.”

    “For four years, I spoke out vigorously against Donald Trump’s craven dishonesty, corrupt pursuit of personal interests, & trampling of our democratic principles,” Brennan, who served under the Obama administration, began in a series of tweets. “After serving over three decades in national security, I felt compelled to condemn Trump’s depravity & incompetence.”

  125. ExEssex says:

    President Donald Trump hailed the Dow Jones breaking 30,000 points for the first time Tuesday, emerging from the West Wing to ‘congratulate everybody’ on the record. The index of the biggest companies’ value broke through 30,000 just after midday to peak at 30,117. Shortly after that, Trump spoke for 56 seconds from the White House briefing room podium Tuesday, boasting about the Dow’s performance and saying it was linked to promising news about a coronavirus vaccine.

    His bizzare one-minute address to celebrate Dow Jones breaking 30,000 points for first time as he calls it ‘a sacred number’ (despite claiming a Biden win would CRASH the markets)

  126. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    He is a weak charlatan that has nothing to offer this country in terms of leadership. Fed bails whole market out and he takes credit for stock market highs. We are paying for it. Scientists working round clock to create vaccine with tax payer money and dolts want to name it after the Orange clown. Pure circus.

  127. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:

    Bystander says:
    November 24, 2020 at 11:59 am
    Thank you President Biden. Market is forward looking afterall”

    Yep, I bought into China, Big Tech, and industries that will be first in line at the trough.

    Not that this is good for America but it’s good for me.

  128. JCer says:

    Essex, really John Brennan!

    Might as well ask Satan himself for an opinion. He’s just happy Trump lost because there is a probably a warm jail cell waiting for the traitorous swine.

    America just voted in Neville Chamberlain, he is going to appease the Chinese. They already have slave labor camps all they need is to annex some territory and build some death camps. Maybe I’m wrong but there is a depravity in CCP we haven’t seen since the N@zis were running around Europe and the Japanese empire was running amok in Asia. Without Churchill England would have been overrun by the N@zis, not saying Trump is Churchill but Churchill was a loudmouth drunk, sometimes it’s not the politician you want isn’t the person you need at the moment. Trump scares the Chinese, he’s openly hostile and VERY unpredictable…..

  129. ExEssex says:

    Bye Trump. Bye Ivanka. Bye Jared.

  130. Fabius Maximus says:

    Will always be remembered as the McPresident https://twitter.com/prairielaura/status/1331319575754010624/photo/1

  131. chicagofinance says:

    Bystander: I don’t like Trump, but I accept JCer’s Churchill analogy. It was worth having Trump in there for the reset of our relationship with China alone. Add the bonus of Iran, embracing Israel, and flipping off NATO, and I will say net-net we come out ahead. As long as one of the two GA senate seats goes red, we quite possibly have the prefect outcome. Our cities are intact, and now the democrats are on the clock to fix things. I don’t think they are up to the task. It will be a respite to have ostensible professionalism in the executive branch.

    Bystander says:
    November 24, 2020 at 4:38 pm
    Ex,He is a weak charlatan that has nothing to offer this country in terms of leadership. Fed bails whole market out and he takes credit for stock market highs. We are paying for it. Scientists working round clock to create vaccine with tax payer money and dolts want to name it after the Orange clown. Pure circus.

  132. chicagofinance says:

    The other Trump thing that is teflon is the health crisis. I was thinking it was mishandled, but mostly at the public messaging level. However, given what we see in Europe, I think it is pretty clear that we were fcuked regardless of what we did. That said, Trump is an a%%hole, but I really am uncomfortable placing the death toll at his feet. That is too convenient, and unlikely to be accurate.

  133. chicagofinance says:

    Also the lack of a concession is infantile and idiotic, but really….. 2 weeks? who gives a fcuk? It is just bad form.

  134. chicagofinance says:

    Meaning….. all it amounts to is bad form…….

  135. Juice Box -between drama! says:

    Chi – Yeah I hear ya, keep them happy. It’s actually funny now. Fear is ingrained, we have been home now full time nearly 9 months. I am now official unemployed for a almost 6 weeks now, first time ever too.

    I just asked the happy question from my better half so here are the answers.

    1) no commute
    2) no getting up at 5am
    3) actually get to spend time with children
    4) I cook and clean too..
    5) No drama from me, simple things make happy

    I don’t want to go back and actually nobody does based upon my informal surveys and the NEWS so it seems it is time.

    As in SO IT’s time to start punching above my weight and apply for a job I am not logically qualified for but will get because I will show up in person, as if I am right guy right now and well the rest are just fat and lazy!

    Correct me if I am wrong folks, feedback in these dark times in appreciated!

  136. D-FENS says:

    It’s totally on brand for him. If there’s even a 1% chance…he won’t. When someone tells him it shouldn’t or can’t be done…he does it. It’s exactly what got him elected in the first place.

    chicagofinance says:
    November 24, 2020 at 6:37 pm
    Also the lack of a concession is infantile and idiotic, but really….. 2 weeks? who gives a fcuk? It is just bad form.

  137. ExEssex says:

    6:30 Churchill. Bullshit. Trump would have had to lead first.
    Possibly unite? No.

  138. BRT says:

    Aside from foreign travel bans, defense of production, and vaccine fast tracking, the federal goverment wasn’t in a position to manage the virus actively with respect to lockdowns. Trump’s ultimate failure is not communicating that states rights supersede the Fed’s authority. They set forth their recommendations for reopening, which were actually very well thought out and logical. Most states either ignored it like Georgia or went well beyond what was necessary.

  139. BRT says:

    Does anyone actually believe if anyone else was in charge that we would have zero covid deaths? The grand experts in charge of this like Fauci were saying it was no danger to Americans into February when tracing back the growth curves, it was clear it was here in January and getting heavily ramped up.

    As far as our death toll, many states don’t look bad in comparison to the rest of the world. The Northeast was an absolute trainwreck, and most of that can be traced back to boneheaded policies with the governors. Send positive patients into buildings where the most vulnerable lie? Really?

  140. BRT says:

    It was worth having Trump in there for the reset of our relationship with China alone. Add the bonus of Iran, embracing Israel, and flipping off NATO, and I will say net-net we come out ahead.

    I might be a bit more biased here, but he also served to prevent Hillary Clinton from getting hold of the seat. The things you mentioned are all good. We also managed to avoid invading other countries or overthrowing their governments. I’m pretty happy on the supreme court side of things as well.

  141. Chicago says:

    Ex. 8:30PM Churchill moment relative to China not Trump. Chinese is bad news.

  142. Chicago says:

    China. Sorry

  143. Chicago says:

    Juice: I’m talking to people all the time. Take the rest of 2020 off and clear your mind. Be ready to move starting second week of January. Rest up now and don’t spin your wheels. However it ends, it will catch you off guard and wrong footed. It always seems that people make plans and their new job starts up right away. The worst part is not knowing the end point, whether it’s January 15 or June 15. You end up on some kind of bizarre treadmill. Hence just take these 5 weeks with a clear mind.

  144. SomeOne says:

    BRT,

    Does anyone actually believe if anyone else was in charge that we would have zero covid deaths?

    The politicization of mask wearing likely cost a large number of lives. There is a big gap between zero deaths and quarter million deaths.

  145. njtownhomer says:

    it is a bit harsh to point out the early entrants of the game. Most of the Northeast covid deaths came early, when it hit hard. When doctors didn’t know how to treat, entubated a lot of unnecessary sick and elderly folks, and voila.

    The south and midwest got hit entirely different states, different levels of medical expertise and preparation. So comps are not fair.

    You seem to forget the Feds were capturing the PPEs ordered by states since there was not a common facility to purchase/negotiate. The FL recived 5x what they wanted, and NY got 10% of its requested amount. Fed did a very bad job coordinating the PPE replenishments etc. Kraft had to use a private Patriots jet to snuggle the PPE for MA. Hogan (MD) had to order Korean tests since none other were made available.

  146. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    And isn’t interesting that I’m accused of having personal issues due to some past trauma or negative experience yet members of congress

    The difference is that you seem to be angry no matter what. Here’s an example of what your posts looked like soon after DJT got elected:

    Fast Eddie says:
    November 15, 2016 at 4:08 pm
    No, you got it wrong, Obama d0uche. Tribalism is taking place because your side wants more f.ucking cake and cries foul if they don’t get their way! You know what? I hope Trump leans so f.ucking far right that the world f.ucking wobbles. F.uck you, you l1beral little sh1t bags!

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I met a Brazilian businessman that owned over 100 properties and rentals

    I asked him “what would be your best piece of advice?”

    He said “Buy your Wife and your Mistress the same gifts from the same store just in case she finds the receipt”

  148. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Enjoy this time off for what it is. Going to retire later and later in life aka lots of work left in you …enjoy this holiday season with the family/kids. Then go rocky balboa on the market and reach for the sky. I like your thought process taking advantage of what you can.

  149. BRT says:

    The politicization of mask wearing likely cost a large number of lives. There is a big gap between zero deaths and quarter million deaths.

    The majority of the deaths in the Northeast occurred prior to any such issue. Moving forward, it’s hard to make an actual scientific case that the masks had any meaningful effectiveness. It’s kinda hard to stare at the worldwide case numbers and conclude, if everyone just wore their masks that we’d all be fine.

    Now, if you are being honest, with Joe and Kamala Harris trying to undermine the trust of the vaccines coming out on the debate stage just a few weeks ago, how many lives is that going to cost?

  150. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    Stop being biased.

    Easter! He said Easter! Debate about vaccines. Stop kidding yourself.

    Who teargases fellow American’s and then puts on a show at a church that didn’t want him.

    What an absolute buffoon. He will go down in history as the worst president ever.

  151. BRT says:

    Lib, you find me the politician that would have produced a different result in this country. My opinion, this disaster was unavoidable. It could have been managed better by every single person in charge. Trump messed up. So did Fauci. So did the WHO. So did the CDC. So did the entire media. So did Cuomo. So did Murphy. So did DeSantis.

    You are so focused on the orange clown that you give everyone else a pass. This is why we can’t hold anyone else accountable for their boneheaded moves. Because F*CK TRUMP!

  152. Fabius Maximus says:

    BRT

    Anyone. Where did Donnie make a correct moved. From Hoax to PPE to no masks. The wrong approach at every turn.

    Here is a small one. Tell Sturgis not to hold that rally. Now the Dakotas are a complete Sh1t Sh0w.

    Total cases per 1M/pop.:

    1. North Dakota 97,631
    2. South Dakota 84,619
    3. Iowa 68,508
    4. Wisconsin 62,512
    5. Nebraska 59,926
    6. Utah 56,807
    7. Montana 53,804
    8. Illinois 53,196
    9. Idaho 53,009
    10. Wyoming 51,764

  153. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Can anyone tell me the positive of putting affordable housing in high end towns like Upper Saddle River?

    Just please explain the logic behind putting people that need a govt law to afford housing being placed in a ritzy wealthy town? What is the purpose? To rub in the face of all hard working citizens that don’t qualify for low income housing, but don’t make enough to afford that market, that they are doing it wrong?

    For a law hiding behind the veil of fair and equal, it sure as hell seems unfair to me. Unfair to the people who had to pay market price and unfair to the people who didn’t get picked by the govt to have subsidized low income housing.

  154. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Work from home is actually “Stay at work”.

    Temporal and digital boundaries need to be defined or we are staring at a mass scale burnout of labour force.

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/11/24/people-are-working-longer-hours-during-the-pandemic

  155. SomeOne says:

    BRT,

    Now, if you are being honest, with Joe and Kamala Harris trying to undermine the trust of the vaccines coming out on the debate stage just a few weeks ago, how many lives is that going to cost?

    They said something to the effect that they won’t take the vaccine based only on Trump’s word but will take if based on Fauci’s word. You should be able to see the difference between that and a Pres that doesn’t wear masks, tries to muzzle Fauci, tweets “Liberate Michigan”, says “it will go away by Easter”, and anything but “wear a mask”.

    If you are not able to see the difference, you are probably a member of the “Trump forever” club (granted, you seem to be much more polite than one or two Trumpers we see here).

  156. Chicago says:

    I think the point we are making is that there is little to be done to affect the numbers. Sturgis was going to happen. Trump was just the justification, but they would have found some other expedient excuse. Please don’t misunderstand; Trump is a POS, but we are likely at no different a point.

    Look at the Thanksgiving travel stats. Airline travel predicted to be down 10% (ONLY!?!). Look at the media and the publicly available information. People will not be dissuaded.

    It’s not Trump’s fault.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 24, 2020 at 11:10 pm
    BRT

    Anyone. Where did Donnie make a correct moved. From Hoax to PPE to no masks. The wrong approach at every turn.

    Here is a small one. Tell Sturgis not to hold that rally. Now the Dakotas are a complete Sh1

  157. Chicago says:

    The 10% is YOY. 2019 Tgiving v. 2020

  158. BRT says:

    They said something to the effect that they won’t take the vaccine based only on Trump’s word but will take if based on Fauci’s word. You should be able to see the difference between that and a Pres that doesn’t wear masks, tries to muzzle Fauci, tweets “Liberate Michigan”, says “it will go away by Easter”, and anything but “wear a mask”.

    If you are not able to see the difference, you are probably a member of the “Trump forever” club (granted, you seem to be much more polite than one or two Trumpers we see here).

    When the CDC announced that states need to plan to distribute a vaccine as early as the end of Nov., the media started peddling the idea that the vaccine was rushed and unsafe. Harris said that public health experts on this issue “will be muzzled and suppressed”. The fact of the matter is, these vaccines were and are going through the full rigorous process to prove their effectiveness. The results are published. Why should it matter whether the Orange man told you to take it or not? Why do you need Anthony Fauci’s (the same guy who took positions on masks in Feb/march) blessing? The studies aren’t enough. This is even more dangerous than the antimask movement. You have 4 in 10 people in dark blue NJ claiming they won’t take the vaccine. I know someone who’s spouse work in the ICU as a nurse who says they don’t trust the vaccine…and it’s entirely out of where they lie on the political spectrum. As I said before, Trump has said a lot of stupid things, but you refuse to take off your political blinders and acknowledge the politicians you like probably have said and done things even more irresponsible and stupid. As I said before, how many lives will this anti-vax talking point that they chose to engage in prior to the election end up costing lives?

  159. BRT says:

    Anyone. Where did Donnie make a correct moved. From Hoax to PPE to no masks. The wrong approach at every turn.

    Here is a small one. Tell Sturgis not to hold that rally. Now the Dakotas are a complete Sh1t Sh0w.

    Total cases per 1M/pop.: NJ

    You’re right, if they continue on this path for another 4 or 5 months, they might reach NJ’s catastrophic death rate which is 3 times worse than the worst countries in Europe. Kinda hard to have a comparable infection rate when 1/5th of the population has already contracted it in the spring.

  160. 3b says:

    WFH is great!

  161. Walking says:

    Just a quick family covid update. I think the strain we are seeing in NJ is a lot weaker. Both Grandma and granpa in their late 70’s have caught the covid 20 days ago. Grandpa is a diabetic and had triple bypass surgery a year ago to the month. Grandma is stay at home doing no cardio exercise. Grandpa goes for 3 mile daily pre covid. Was found passed out in the park with 102 fever on the onset. Refused to go to the hospital. Was sick for 5 days and started walking again 10 days after passing out (though he sticking to 2 miles). Grandma spent 5 days in hospital on oxygen and was released. Lots of fatigue, oxygen levels were at 53, I did not think she would pull through as she really had all the comorbidities we have read about. Key take away-exercise exercise

  162. BRT says:

    Walking, hopefully they pull through. Best wishes.

  163. 3b says:

    Walking: Glad to hear they are improving. Best wishes to your family.

  164. Fabius Maximus says:

    BRT,

    “might reach NJ’s catastrophic death rate” I read one report that South Dakota has the highest rate in the world.

    NY/NJ did make some mistakes at the start with things like Nursing Homes. You don’t get the luxury of hindsight or planning when its evolving in real-time. The Midwest states had time to prepare. They could see what was and was not working in other parts, yet here we are.

  165. Fast Eddie says:

    Grim,

    Unmod please.

  166. Juice Box says:

    This antivaccine talk is nonsense, and people have no idea how much this new mRNA technology is ground breaking and will be used to defeat many diseases.

    If our Politicians do as they say which is follow or listen to the scientists, then they should perhaps allocate some funding on educating the public on how these new vaccines actually work.

    I was talking to a neighbor this week, she said she won’t take it. I took a minute to explain it in the simplest terms I could think of like we all learned in grammar school biology about our body’s cells. Our cells nucleolus creates ribosomes, which is where our cells then create antiviral proteins or immunity. This is where the mRNA vaccine or “messenger RNA” comes into play by giving the ribosome the “message or instructions” how to build an immunity, so the ribosome then goes about creating antiviral proteins using those instructions.

    I also explained that mRNA is non-replicating. It simply cannot infect you and cannot reproduce like real viruses do, as it is not a weakened or dead virus like what is used in the FLU and other vaccines, it’s ground breaking technology for the treatment of infection and will be used to create many new vaccines.

    Now that the election is over the politicians and the media need to go about educating the public. There is no logical reason to fear this vaccine at this point there is no evidence it has any negative short term issues, once vaccinated you might feel like you have a cold of flu symptoms for a day or two at most as your body begins creating it’s immunity.

    From what I have read this week after a little more internal debate they are going to start deploying the vaccine after the FDA meets on December 10th to decide on the emergency Pfizer approval.

    Then there is the nonsense “Social Justice” debates about who should get it first, but that should not preclude the elderly in nursing homes from getting it first. I will say it now it’s for the children grandpa, you go first!

  167. Fast Eddie says:

    Then there is the nonsense “Social Justice” debates about who should get it first…

    We already know NY State won’t get it as the governor there want’s his own study done; Carmella Harris and 90% of celebrities won’t be getting it anytime soon; that leaves the rest of the country to either reconsider their personal decision or step up when called.

  168. Juice Box says:

    South Dakota has the same problem as New Jersey. The elderly are dying in droves from Covid-19. It’s not children or young adults.

    Everyone living in a nursing homes and assisted-living facilities across the country should be vaccinated ASAP, followed by the 53 million people 65 and older. There should be 40 million doses available by Christmas, they should move faster. The FDA needs to move now and approve this vaccine.

  169. BRT says:

    NY/NJ did make some mistakes at the start with things like Nursing Homes. You don’t get the luxury of hindsight or planning when its evolving in real-time. The Midwest states had time to prepare. They could see what was and was not working in other parts, yet here we are.

    The data was clear before we ever had a single confirmed case. Those over 70 or those with other ailments were most at risk. Putting them in nursing homes didn’t require a crystal ball to know what would happen. In fact, the DOH officials in the state that tried to whistleblow on Murphy documented that they stressed this was an idiotic move and they were completely ignored.

    These were absolutely the dumbest moves of the whole pandemic and they easily doubled our death total. Like I said, too many are willing to give politicians a free pass because they fall on their side of the political spectrum.

    I read one report that South Dakota has the highest rate in the world.

    Why don’t you look up the raw data. NJ people died at a rate triple the rest of the world. North Dakota has been playing catch up.

  170. BRT says:

    We already know NY State won’t get it as the governor there want’s his own study done; Carmella Harris and 90% of celebrities won’t be getting it anytime soon; that leaves the rest of the country to either reconsider their personal decision or step up when called.

    I disagree, I think all of the Hollywood celebrities will be getting it, and they’ll probably pull the strings to get it before they should be allowed to based on the schedule.

  171. Juice Box says:

    Walking- sound like they are going to make it, which is nice to hear. I am curious as to how they caught the virus? Any idea? Exchanging fluids at the town senior center?

  172. ExEssex says:

    People who are dogmatic about their views seek less information and make less accurate judgements as a result, even on simple matters unrelated to politics, according to a study led by UCL and Max Planck Institute for Biological Cybernetics researchers.

  173. Chicago says:

    Except Trump. He should have known better and 250,000 deaths are blood on his hands. Hypocrite.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    November 25, 2020 at 9:46 am
    NY/NJ did make some mistakes at the start with things like Nursing Homes. You don’t get the luxury of hindsight or planning when its evolving in real-time.

  174. PumpkinYou ShouldKnowBetter says:

    PumpkinSeed,

    The nice way. As a teacher you should know Finland’s method of teaching of putting student of different ages and skill together to help each other to learn better in class. Same thing applies to housing the poor learn skills and knowledge from the well off and the well off learn about the poorrs problem, develop empathy and help in getting employment (is always who you know) and in other ways.

    The bad way. Help spread around the social issues and disfunction, just because you are in Upper Saddle River does not mean you don’t get to deal with societies illness, you debt ridden McMansion owning Range Roving Karen soccer mom and Ken financial advisor.

  175. FatFastEddieNeeds toVisitADom1natr1xwithTrumpHair says:

    I think what a lot of you are not vocalizing is that in the last year Trump turned people stomach.

    I voted for him, could not stand the treachery of another Clinton. 2017-18 was buffonish and clownish, just what I expected and voted for. 2019 incompetence roared his ugly head, I got worried as this was the sign we are heading into his great achievements in the land of “bankruptcy”.

    2020, turned my stomach. Cruelty and sad1sm became his way of operating. If you look back to his and his minions decisions over the last 2 years, just nasty sad1st1c cruelty stands out. With the final touch of trying to gut the system to keep his dirty little “cosa nostra” going.

    When added together, it was time for him to go.

  176. Juice Box says:

    Captain Hindsight?

    They are still stuffing the nursing homes, and the nursing homes are again ground zero in every state again. Same story not enough PPE, testing, or help, billions allocated too from the Feds.

    Grandma and Grandpa are on their last legs already. Might as well sick them all with the vaccine ASAP, no time to wait.

  177. Fast Eddie says:

    FatFastEddieNeeds toVisitADom1natr1xwithTrumpHair

    LOL! What does the rest of her look like?

  178. Juice Box says:

    Housing the poor far away from jobs and public transport? Sure great idea, just take a look at the Poconos experiment, it’s going great everyone wants to live there now!

    The lawsuit by Kushner against Freehold and Colts Neck is an interesting one. Colts Neck has no sewer or water so Kushner is suing because the cannot build their 360 apartment unit project in Colts Neck without it.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2020/11/affordable-housing-site-by-kushner-in-wealthy-nj-town-is-suing-next-town-to-pay-for-utilities.html

  179. 3b says:

    Juice: Ghetto in the woods is what the Poconos is called now. On the other hand many liberals scream about racism and yet don’t want low or moderate income housing in their towns; can’t have it both ways.

  180. Fast Eddie says:

    On the other hand many liberals scream about racism and yet don’t want low or moderate income housing in their towns; can’t have it both ways.

    It’s all about symbols. That’s how liberals thrive. You fall overboard from a boat and are drowning. A liberal will toss you a life preserver but the other end won’t be tied to the boat.

  181. ExEssex says:

    Simpleton

  182. ExEssex says:

    (Bloomberg) — After more than three years on the market, a Beverly Hills mansion initially listed for $100 million has sold at less than half that price. The 20,000-square-foot (1,900-square-meter) house — dubbed “Opus” in a flashy marketing campaign — sold this week for $48.4 million, including furniture, according to a Multiple Listings Service report. It’s the latest luxury Los Angeles pro

    Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/l-a-mansion-sale-at-52-million-discount-exposes-luxury-reality
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  183. 3b says:

    Essex It’s a valid point. There are many towns in Bergen co with proud liberals who are always lecturing I know more than a few. And when the subject comes to low and moderate income housing they absolutely don’t want it. Seems hypocritical to me.

  184. Very Stable Genius says:

    Nate Silver
    @NateSilver538
    Since the founding of the Republican Party, there are four streaks where the same party won the popular vote 4+ times in a row:

    GOP 1860-1872 (Lincoln, Grant)
    GOP 1896-1908 (McKinley, T. Roosevelt, Taft)
    Dems 1932-1948 (FDR, Truman)
    Dems 2008-2020 (Obama, H. Clinton, Biden)

  185. Phoenix says:

    “They are still stuffing the nursing homes, and the nursing homes are again ground zero in every state again.”

    Nothing stopping anyone from taking them home. It’s their children doing the “stuffing.”
    It’s the wives that control a household, and if it’s “her” parents they can move in, but if it’s “his” parents put them in a dumpster.

    Unless “his” parents are loaded. Then she will cook for them 3x a day in order to tap into that cash pipeline.

  186. Phoenix says:

    Single men and women will usually take in their parents if they possibly can. It’s the spouses that interfere with this process.

  187. Phoenix says:

    Truth in this:

    “A liberal will toss you a life preserver but the other end won’t be tied to the boat.”

    “Biden says he won’t have Bernie OR Elizabeth Warren in his cabinet because he ‘needs them in the Senate”

    “Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders to be frozen out of Biden cabinet”

  188. Hold my beer says:

    Essex and 3b

    Don’t forget about the liberals who wax poetically about multiculturalism, diversity and representation yet refuse to watch anything in a foreign language because they don’t do subtitles.

  189. joyce says:

    Interesting indeed. I remember reading that. What am I missing? How is it not immediately dismissed?

    Juice Box says:
    November 25, 2020 at 10:58 am
    Housing the poor far away from jobs and public transport? Sure great idea, just take a look at the Poconos experiment, it’s going great everyone wants to live there now!

    The lawsuit by Kushner against Freehold and Colts Neck is an interesting one. Colts Neck has no sewer or water so Kushner is suing because the cannot build their 360 apartment unit project in Colts Neck without it.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2020/11/affordable-housing-site-by-kushner-in-wealthy-nj-town-is-suing-next-town-to-pay-for-utilities.html

  190. A Home Buyer says:

    Unplugging a bit early from work this year, yay unused vacation time…but Happy Thanksgiving all!

  191. Walking says:

    Juice box, not confirmed as it’s family and hushed. But they had an out of state visit by family that does not follow protocol (think bars and halloween). I did see him a few days before they got sick. He wanted to bear hug me but I gave him an elbow instead. He replied c’mon not even a handshake. He slept over one night at their place.

  192. chicagofinance says:

    Juice:

    Here’s some Bill Burr for you to chill with…..
    Watch the entire 18 minutes…… especially when he flips over to the music references because it is a Nashville crowd. The crowd sucks….. this stand up is hall of fame sh!t….

    Grab some Jameson’s to get you in the mood….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lGbyigXPC8

  193. Hold my beer says:

    Chicgofinance

    Bill burr wasted his talent on those hipster woke transplants.

  194. BRT says:

    Just drove the turnpike and stopped at the rest stop. 1 out of every 10ncaes on the road is out of state from all over. Rest stop 90 percent out of state.

  195. Chicago says:

    Phoenix is rising in standing on these threads.

    He is becoming must read.

    Phoenix says:
    November 25, 2020 at 11:56 am
    “They are still stuffing the nursing homes, and the nursing homes are again ground zero in every state again.”

    Nothing stopping anyone from taking them home. It’s their children doing the “stuffing.”
    It’s the wives that control a household, and if it’s “her” parents they can move in, but if it’s “his” parents put them in a dumpster.

    Unless “his” parents are loaded. Then she will cook for them 3x a day in order to tap into that cash pipeline.

  196. Juice Box says:

    Haha the hits keep on coming….

    Nurse “Karen” who sent my son home two weeks ago with “symptoms” and we then had to get a negative covid test before he was let back in. When we finally got to see the Doc that day at the urgent care, doc said no symptoms after waiting for six hours in urgent care, and test came back negative of course.

    So now Nurse Karen has escalated her diagnosis skills. She would not let my son and three other neighbors kids take the bus home today, well course because we are at code yellow, whatever that means.

    Apparently some kid has “symptoms” and went to nurse, kid rode bus this morning. No positive test or anything yet, so Nurse Karen decided arbitrarily some kids that were on the Bus with patient zero now need to quarantine for two weeks but not all kids that rode the bus or the driver. They let the bus load up this afternoon minus just 4 kids. Apparently the nurse and Principal did their own contract tracing with the kid on the bus who has symptoms. Patient Zero named my son and three other kids who might have been within six feet on the bus.

    Crazy stuff we are cancelling Thanksgiving with my sister and her kids. I am considering taking my Turkey and launching it into outer space on a home made rocket.

  197. Chicago says:

    That is a straight shot down 537 right into the middle of Freehold boro. Maybe 3 miles? With NJ 18 right there, it is as good as it gets for affordable housing in a rural area.

    Juice Box says:
    November 25, 2020 at 10:58 am
    Housing the poor far away from jobs and public transport? Sure great idea, just take a look at the Poconos experiment, it’s going great everyone wants to live there now!

    The lawsuit by Kushner against Freehold and Colts Neck is an interesting one. Colts Neck has no sewer or water so Kushner is suing because the cannot build their 360 apartment unit project in Colts Neck without it.

    https://www.nj.com/news/2020/11/affordable-housing-site-by-kushner-in-wealthy-nj-town-is-suing-next-town-to-pay-for-utilities.html

  198. FatFastEddieNeeds toVisitADom1natr1xwithTrumpHair says:

    Fast Eddie,

    I’m not going to lie. It’s phoenix ex. After the divorce, she was very confused sort of Mr – Ms. Garrison from South Park, and she had the chop chop and became Mr.Phoenix, but she did not like the fake prostate ( she should have asked Giuliani first, as all his nuttery can be excuse by it). So she went back and became ex-Ms.Phoenix again.

    After all those hormonal back and forth, well she looks like well a plumber, but with a lot of make up something like “Large Marge” https://youtu.be/uzolCu-QLw0

    However, I heard thru the grapevine the she’s the best, recommended by none other than Linda or Lindsey – pending the time -Graham. The divorce seemed to have developed in her a great need and skill in crushing balls. I think that Phoenix can vouch for her skillset, only Leona Hemsley can do better https://youtu.be/fCMuAFWtlLc

  199. Chicago says:

    Juice Our school district said they are taking over from the county to do tracing. So now you can have those knuckleheads instead of qualified people.

  200. Juice Box says:

    The school is closed next week anyway, the decided to do remote all next week because people might not be take proper precautions over Thanksgiving. We still have to take temperatures every morning and fill out the form online otherwise Nurse Karen will be calling.

    I am all for mandatory vaccinations at this point, starting with the old fogies and politicians. If they say no, armed vaccinators should be sent door to door to hold you down and inject you. Hey that is a great idea for a movie script…I better head over to head over to copyright.gov portal and register it ASAP.

  201. JCer says:

    Glad to see some common sense on this board, Trump or no Trump it could be argued either way maybe a 10% swing in cases and deaths. No one has an answer for this virus, except sitting at home……..in the western world we will not accept it. Politics aside even very liberal people in Europe are rising up against the lockdowns in defiance, some for economic reasons others because they don’t want to give up the social rituals.

    On housing policy affordable housing is an absurd policy, it doesn’t work. Markets are the best mechanism we have for determining supply. If there is demand for high density rental housing it will be built, any infrastructure required to build it should fall on the developer who is handsomely profiting. Federal housing policy created urban ghettos, now we want to allow them to have a redo experimenting in the suburbs with billions in tax dollars…..Yeah no thanks.

  202. ExEssex says:

    Trump’s Gettysburg Call-in. A Bust.
    The final ramblings of a failed leader and a third-rate
    huckster.

  203. Hold my beer says:

    Got me bbq takeout for thanksgiving . 2 pounds of meat, 4 pounds of sides. Just need to cook a green vegetable and put a few sweet potatoes in the ninja foodi.

  204. Hold my beer says:

    We had a storm front come through last night that caused an F1 tornado in Arlington . It damaged an apartment complex and left 80 families homeless

  205. Hold my beer says:

    Karen of the month. School board member lets loose the juice or drops a deuce while forgetting to turn off camera on zoom board meeting. 140 witnesses. How many will file suit for ptsd?

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/school-board-member-resigns-after-zoom-meeting-bathroom-mishap/

  206. chicagofinance says:

    A perfect example of why Obama is an arrogant jacka$$……. has it occurred to him that people have a right to focus on issues that are of primary importance to them? It doesn’t make them foolish or stupid……

    xxxxxxxx
    Former President Barack Obama took a dig at Hispanic Americans who voted for President Trump, saying they looked past his inflammatory rhetoric and immigration policies because they were aligned on social issues.

    The 44th commander-in-chief made the remarks during a wide-ranging interview with “The Breakfast Club” radio program Wednesday while discussing what he hoped Democrats would take away from part one of his memoir “A Promised Land,” released earlier this month.

    “Those of us who live in DC or New York or LA,” Obama argued, sometimes lack “a good enough sense of how big this country is and how a lot of folks do not accept at all” policies that people living in larger metropolitan areas take for granted.

    The former president turned to the topic of Hispanics who voted for Trump as an example.

    “People were surprised about a lot of Hispanic folks who voted for Trump, but there’s a lot of evangelical Hispanics who, you know, the fact that Trump says racist things about Mexicans, or puts detainees, undocumented workers in cages. They think that’s less important than the fact that he supports their views on gay marriage or abortion,” he explained.

  207. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    She even has the haircut. How embarrassing. Or dedicated. Maybe that’s what it is, she is so dedicated to her job that neither snow nor rain nor heat nor frequent defecation stays these school board members from the swift completion of their appointed Zoom meetings.

  208. njtownhomer says:

    Pardoned a member of swamp today. That means admission of the guilt I don’t know how many times so far. Yeah drain the swamp ! Didn’t work this time.

  209. Libturd says:

    yeah Flynn pardon is pretty fukced up. Yet Obama was a terrible man.

  210. Phoenix says:

    The best justice money can buy.

  211. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Rogan & Chappelle clip for you and everyone else. I pulled the trigger on Spotify yet but there is plenty of other stuff to cancel to pay for it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wz7KvLFgYQ

  212. Juice Box says:

    Yeah Pardon Flynn

    2016 Presidential transition is when this all happened folks so stay tuned for payback.

    I predict shit storm, unless Biden’s crew can keep the “chit chat” with anyone during the 2020 transition anywhere quiet from the NSA. I have my doubts, as we know the conversation was recorded and escalated by the NSA to the FBI.

    Repeat….I doubt Trump will stand down..

  213. Phoenix says:

    Bill Burr is plowing through deep snow right now and pushing it like a 7.3 Navistar. Pushing uphill against a system and opening the road for those to follow.

  214. SomeOne says:

    Chicago,

    A perfect example of why Obama is an arrogant jacka$$…….has it occurred to him that people have a right to focus on issues that are of primary importance to them? It doesn’t make them foolish or stupid……

    Where does he say that they are foolish or stupid for doing so? He seems to be explaining the reason why they may have voted the way they voted (alignment with Trump on some key evangelical issues).

  215. 3b says:

    Some Those comments by Obama appear pretty arrogant to me. As for cages they came into use in 2014.

  216. ExEssex says:

    5:56 good he can be arrested like any other traitor.

  217. ExEssex says:

    6:18 “uppity” even?

  218. chicagofinance says:

    “Former President Barack Obama TOOK A DIG at Hispanic Americans who voted for President Trump”

    SomeOne says:
    November 25, 2020 at 6:06 pm
    Where does he say that they are foolish or stupid for doing so? He seems to be explaining the reason why they may have voted the way they voted (alignment with Trump on some key evangelical issues).

  219. Phoenix says:

    For the holidays. Best dishwashing detergent. Use a teaspoon for prewash, and add 1/2 a teaspoon to a Cascade ultimate plus tab. Won’t matter what you put in the dishwasher, throw the turkey in and the bones will look like a school of piranha were in there eating.

    You can use it straight up if you like, but pricey. Might save your marriage as it would probably work even if your wife put all of the dishes in backwards so you don’t get accused of “mansplaining” to her why they should be put in properly-and why you don’t need to wash them first.
    https://bit.ly/366SA7C

  220. Hold my beer says:

    Dedicated defector would look awesome on her linked in profile

  221. Hold my beer says:

    Defecator

  222. chicagofinance says:

    …….gnawing feeling that you got to be free….

    Juice Box says:
    November 25, 2020 at 5:46 pm
    Chi – Rogan & Chappelle clip for you and everyone else. I pulled the trigger on Spotify yet but there is plenty of other stuff to cancel to pay for it.

  223. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    My bad…

  224. Fabius Maximus says:

    Chi,

    You want to carry water for Donnie on Covid, you go for it. Fact is, O left him a department and a play book and he kicked them out as they were something with Os name on it, and we know how he hates that. When it hit, he could have picked the playbook out of the trash and run with it. But no, that would be weak and yet, there there were $$$$ to be made. He owns it.

    “First, the Trump administration failed to adequately acknowledge the existence of the Covid-19 challenge publicly early on as evidenced by the President’s comments about the first Americans to be infected such as “… the 15 within a couple days is going to be down to close to zero …” cases, or “it will go away.” ”
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/opinions/ways-trump-botched-covid-response-holtgrave/index.html

  225. Fabius Maximus says:

    I’ve been on a big vinyl record buying spree at the moment. One of todays purchases is an awesome classic. Lets get this legalization done so we can move on to numb the pain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqpWTC-rvhQ

  226. njtownhomer says:

    The effect of ACB will have much more impact than that of AOC.

    Supreme Court votes 5-4 to grant Catholic Diocese and orthodox Jews’ request to block Gov. Cuomo’s attendance limits at houses of worship in New York. Chief Justice Roberts joins the three liberal justices in dissent.

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