C19 Open Discussion Week 43

Way to go Punch and Judy – Doses Administered

Texas – 140k
California – 128k
Florida – 119k
New York – 113k
Illinois – 102k

New Jersey – 37k

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205 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 43

  1. njtownhomer says:

    1st

    Nashville bomber getting too small media time. Too bad for MSM. I fear the fast thinkers like the ‘person of interest’ are going to create more mayhem

  2. WhoWouldHaveThoughtANewYorkSnakeOutsmartedACountryTurtle says:

    The last 20 odd days of Trump, this should be playing on the background. https://youtu.be/A_sY2rjxq6M

    Turtleface McConnell thought he was going to be able to outsmart and manipulate a snake, a New York snake at that. McConnell should stay in Kentucky playing with the horsey set.

    No aid continuation, no extension of budget. All which would sink the GA Senate republican candidates and by 1/6 take out McConnell from power. Trump will sign a deal and then start selling it as “his” deal.

    After the inaguration. Mar-A-Lago will be the Trump Party’s HQ, where he will fundraise, plan to primary all non incumbent that were not loyal. What happens after that? I don’t know. But rest assure McConnell, Bushes, and all the others formerly known as Republicans will be planning something big to bury Trump and Trumpism that took away their power.

  3. Phoenix says:

    Mcconnell really needs a facelift.

  4. RxEssex says:

    Bowling in Rockford IL turns deadly.
    Ex-military Duke Webb shoots 3.
    Cue film: https://youtu.be/tjN5q9Ixen4

  5. Juice Box says:

    Bah Humbug – Trump signed the bill.

  6. Libturd says:

    Of course he did. And the 80-90 percent of the population not impacted by Covid economically will get a check they don’t need while the 10 to 20% of the population that does will get a mere pittance. Lot’s of rich political donors will get all kinds of goodies, as usual.

  7. Phoenix says:

    2 Karens this week. One accusing a boy of stealing her phone, the other annoyed about a mask.

    Like how Karen one uses her “femininity” and places her hand on the hotel manager’s shoulder in order to get him to do her bidding. He will be unemployed soon. At least they got her mask off so she is soon to be identified.

    Karen 2 is just a total nutjob.

  8. leftwing says:

    “Disparate factions on the right are coalescing into one side, analysts say, self-proclaimed “real Americans” who are cocooned in their own news outlets, their own social media networks and, ultimately, their own “truth.”

    “There is some truth to this.”

    Entirely predictable.

    MSM and the social media giants demonstrably skew and repress. What do you think will happen? What would you personally do if you were on the receiving end?

    Even worse, such activities exacerbate the fringes and empower them to recruit more to their cause….if existing outlets would simply fairly air the mainstream opposition the vast majority of people who neither agree with MSM nor the fringes would be appeased.

    Instead, every repression is an exhibit recruiting otherwise mainstream right-of-center citizens toward the fringe.

    Fringes do not flourish in free societies…look over history, over geography. Find a fringe movement? Condition precedent? Repression.

  9. Juice Box says:

    Lib – we need that 19th attack submarine, just incase the Russians lose Red October again.

  10. Walking says:

    Phoenix, re Karen and the iphone. I was trying to look at her back pant pockets to see if she tucked her phone there. But from t he video it’s pretty clear it was not in her pants.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    Instead, every repression is an exhibit recruiting otherwise mainstream right-of-center citizens toward the fringe.

    I wanted to comment on this yesterday. I assume plans are already in the works to take this a step further. I don’t think a p.ussy hat can stop a bullet.

  12. Juice Box says:

    At the hospital this am for a routine test. Older man in front of me here for his Covid shot? Looked to mid-80s and in a wheel chair, he had to wait in the stupid line to check in with everyone else.

    Not sure how he is cutting vaccination line, they are starting this week with the nursing homes but this guy came in on his own. Can doctors even prescribe this?

  13. leftwing says:

    It’s Joisey baby.

    All those warehoused vials that other States already put in their citizens arms? Gonna fall off the back of a truck here.

    This State is cosmic joke lol. So happy once I leave I can disclaim that I ever had any affiliation with it. Feel badly for my oldest, he’ll always have it as his place of birth.

  14. BRT says:

    North and South Dakota’s case levels rapidly declining towards baseline. North Dakota now has less cases than they did in September. Why doesn’t the media report this? Do they get to thumb their noses at us in NJ now?

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    Why doesn’t the media report this?

    They will after January 20th.

  16. libturd says:

    I really think the country is ripe for a center. Shame no one is smart enough to try to fulfill it. Or probably, they are too smart to try to fill it.

  17. ExEssex says:

    Eddie the media hates Trump, but so does well over half the country.

  18. ExEssex says:

    Imagine yourself a member of the lower middle class recently put out of work by the Covid pandemic and worried about how you will supply your family’s basic needs in the months ahead. You turn on your television set to watch the news, and you see major American cities taken over by rioters and looters claiming they are protesting “systemic racism.” In disgust you change channels to discover kids at Yale and elsewhere denying speakers who disagree with them the right to speak, and then claiming they feel unsafe even behind ivy-covered walls. You change the channel once more to discover your local anchors are delighted to run a piece about the first trans judge in your county, a former man, now claiming to be a woman but who even in a dress looks a good deal more masculine than most. Enough, enough! Bring on Donald Trump.

    As for Mr. Trump’s claim that the press and other enemies came after him even before he inhabited the Oval Office, there is much to it. He represented everything they loathed: his wealthy upbringing, his raw capitalist spirit, his uncultivated manner, his mockery of political correctness, his unwillingness to accept and play through their early and unrelenting bias against him.

    Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-the-president-his-detractors-loved-to-hate-11605307421

  19. Juice Box says:

    We have more vaccines on ice now and much more on the way weekly than we can possibly distribute. New Jersey has more of a bottleneck in vaccine distribution than production. Why not open mobile sites again ASAP? for those over 65?

    There are also calls to allow for an emergency use of the vaccine with only 1 shot instead of two thereby doubling the supply, after all you are only gaining four per cent more from 91% to 95% with the the second dose. We should consider using all the available doses in January as first doses.

    My 80 year old Uncle living in London was vaccinated last week, the Pfizer vaccine can be up to 91% effective after the first shot, it’s a waste of time waiting for the second shot.

    Gov Phil wastes no time to get his production crew to post videos on social media.

    https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OyKAEkppDOKb

    We are near the 2nd peak.

  20. leftwing says:

    “North and South Dakota’s case levels rapidly declining towards baseline. North Dakota now has less cases than they did in September. Why doesn’t the media report this? Do they get to thumb their noses at us in NJ now?”

    I recall in the early days of the pandemic how MSM (CBS specifically) reamed S Dakota for not instituting a lockdown. On its showcase Nightly News. Remember it well because it was Norah O’Donnell v. Gov Noem, both decent (and similar) looking women.

    Roem was having none of the criticism, hitting back with “it’s not appropriate here, how do you know, how many times have you even been to my State”. O’Donnell was having none of it, “you’re causing death unnecessarily”.

    Point is, you must not only do exactly what liberals believe but also in the exact manner they prescribe or you will get roasted. There are crickets, of course, once they take their pound of flesh and their ‘facts’ and fears do not come to fruition.

    I remember getting roasted here for supporting DeSantis in the early days and his lighter and rolling mandates, especially over the beaches (again, unlike the shrill liberals I was actually there). Remember the ‘scientific study’ that ‘proved’ COVID could be transmitted by the mist blowing off cresting waves? JFC.

    Wish I could just type “what a bunch of fools” and be done with it. Unfortunately, they are fools but they control the narrative and will hold that weapon more tightly than anything in a dying NRA member’s hand…..

  21. leftwing says:

    “I really think the country is ripe for a center. Shame no one is smart enough to try to fulfill it. Or probably, they are too smart to try to fill it.”

    An independent populist.

    A majority of votes in each of the major parties during the last two primary cycles went to candidates who were populists and not party insiders.

    And that’s before even accounting for the plurality of voters who refuse to affiliate with either party and are registered independent (40%).

    The traditional parties are terminal. Their surgeons just haven’t delivered the news yet.

  22. ExEssex says:

    10:11 only an idiot would support DeSantis.

  23. Juice Box says:

    The Dakotas are like the movie Fargo right now, everyone is hunkered down on that freezing tundra for the winter, the festival season is over spread should be minimal. If they closed Walmart it would be near zero.

    Map of the Super Spread Centers of Walmart.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7xn8x99

  24. ExEssex says:

    Dakotas Bike Week contributed to thousands of cases and countless deaths.

  25. Juice Box says:

    Essex- you get what you deserve isn’t LA shutdown now because you California folks refused to follow guidelines for months now?

  26. Juice Box says:

    WaPo story – a tale of two female workers.

    “Dreading or dreaming of a return to the office in 2021”

    40 yr old teacher does not want to go back to classroom, 25 yr old programmer longs for the days of out for after-work drinks with co-workers and making lifelong friends.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/social-issues/return-to-office-work-from-home-coronavirus/2020/12/27/9796d0c8-43da-11eb-b0e4-0f182923a025_story.html?itid=hp-top-table-main

  27. ExEssex says:

    10:58 yeah I get what I deserve…I think everyone with any sense saw a second wave coming. Funny how little my life has changed though. Thankfully!

  28. Libturd says:

    A shutdown is not a shutdown if people don’t shutdown.

    Joyce knows what I mean.

    To use North Dakota as an example for the rest of America is pretty stupid.

  29. Juice Box says:

    Essex – care to explain what is happening there? In LA county one person dies every 10 minutes from COVID-19. Estimates are right now 1 in 95 residents are infected. They are going to extend lockdown for weeks on end.

  30. Phoenix says:

    The repubs and democrats will never allow a third party to be able to succeed. At least not until most of those old goats are 6 feet under.

    Ranked choice voting is a good start, however.

  31. Juice Box says:

    lib- “To use North Dakota as an example for the rest of America is pretty stupid.”

    So Walmart SuperCenters are not super spreaders?

  32. Phoenix says:

    A law is not a law if people don’t follow it and it is not enforced.

  33. ExEssex says:

    11:20 the entire Country is a hot spot dumbass.
    Covid coast-to-coast.

  34. BRT says:

    Remember the ‘scientific study’ that ‘proved’ COVID could be transmitted by the mist blowing off cresting waves? JFC.

    I remember reading that article and lambasting the scientist that they were referencing. I investigated further, turns out, the scientist said nothing of the sort and was grossly misquoted by some reporter looking to get on the front pages.

  35. Dink says:

    I remember in the early days of the pandemic when Leftwing was confidently spouting off nonsense such as wearing masks make it worse. Dont touch your face and you cant get covid. And if you do get covid you are to blame and you are no different than a drunk driver or drug addict. I would be embarrassed to be so wrong about stuff and then slog on others for being wrong about stuff. Leftwing and the people who said the ocean mist can spread covid are one in the same, misinformation super-spreaders.

  36. ExEssex says:

    Experts say these numbers don’t give the whole picture because many cases — including mild or asymptomatic infections — have not been diagnosed.

    Every state is following a different coronavirus trajectory. New York and Washington were hit hard during the pandemic’s early days, for example. But cases and deaths have risen more slowly in other states, some of which haven’t yet hit their “peaks,” according to a model developed by researchers from the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation.

  37. Fast Eddie says:

    Remember the ‘scientific study’ that ‘proved’ COVID could be transmitted by the mist blowing off cresting waves?

    Science is real, love is love… believe in what liberals say because they know.

  38. No One says:

    Media loves to report about minority groups being disparately affected by COVID.
    I haven’t seen any reporting about same minority groups not following the rules so strictly. Have investigative reporters looked in Camden, Newark, Patterson for non-compliant activities?
    Face it, strict rules that effectively lock people up aren’t going to work unless you go China-style and take them away lock them up for violations. You think gang bangers are just going to jump in the back of the paddy wagon like Chinese people do, especially after the media convinced them that virtually every cop yearns to kill minorities?

    Meanwhile, the upslope in NJ COVID looks a lot like the upslope in FL On a per capita basis FL has fewer cases than NJ, and significantly less than NY or CA, while people in FL are able to go about their lives, walk outside and get fresh air and vitamin D from sunlight, instead of cowering in fear inside awaiting the next dictate from their preening governors. California can’t even use the weather as an excuse for why their COVID is higher than FL. It’s possible that occasionally broken lockdowns are more dangerous than no lockdowns at all?

    Gov Murphy had plenty of notice that vaccine was on its way. WTH was he doing? Probably setting up a bunch of gender/race/LGBT-apportioned bureaucracies more interested in applying intersectionality/social justice theories to vaccine distribution than finding people who actually know what they are doing. Will the leftist commentariat apply all the blame for the deaths to him, as they have been doing with Trump?

  39. BRT says:

    40 yr old teacher does not want to go back to classroom, 25 yr old programmer longs for the days of out for after-work drinks with co-workers and making lifelong friends.

    It’s perfectly fine to not want to return to the classroom. However, you should not be able to hold up the education of your students because of that fact…especially, when we can put someone in there who is willing to teach in person. The problem with these teachers is that they want the privilege of teaching from home. Our teachers who wanted that were forced to take a leave of absence and a lot of teachers in my school are now teaching 1 or 2 extra classes to keep the ball rolling.

  40. ExEssex says:

    What is the fascination with gender identity on this board?
    Ridiculous

  41. Phoenix says:

    Jersey has so much red tape you need 30 people to sign off on the reroof of a house. What makes anyone think giving a vaccine would be any easier.

    This state is full of PhD’s and EdD’s from University of Phoenix, and is top 10 in the amount of lawyers per capita. It’s amazing there is not a law on the books in Jersey on how to hold a fork properly while consuming pasta.

  42. Phoenix says:

    Lori Loughlin is out of prison.

    She needs to do a Christmas special duo with Kevin Spacey.

  43. BRT says:


    Media loves to report about minority groups being disparately affected by COVID.
    I haven’t seen any reporting about same minority groups not following the rules so strictly. Have investigative reporters looked in Camden, Newark, Patterson for non-compliant activities?

    The one place where they don’t report the disparity is in education, where poor students are given the shaft while wealthy communities have their in person learning, and if they don’t, their kids get shipped off to private school. In my town, the public school has yet to have their kids return to in person outside of the elementary school getting 2 weeks in. Meanwhile, every private school in the area (dozens of them) remain open the entire time with no major issues.


    Meanwhile, the upslope in NJ COVID looks a lot like the upslope in FL On a per capita basis FL has fewer cases than NJ, and significantly less than NY or CA, while people in FL are able to go about their lives, walk outside and get fresh air and vitamin D from sunlight, instead of cowering in fear inside awaiting the next dictate from their preening governors. California can’t even use the weather as an excuse for why their COVID is higher than FL. It’s possible that occasionally broken lockdowns are more dangerous than no lockdowns at all?

    Remember the closing parks statewide edict? Was there anything more stupid in hindsight? Oh yes, sending positive patients into nursing homes. The announcement of lockdowns in March was the superspreader event. It caused everyone to run to the foodstore and form a 200 person line shoulder to shoulder.

    Gov Murphy had plenty of notice that vaccine was on its way. WTH was he doing? Probably setting up a bunch of gender/race/LGBT-apportioned bureaucracies more interested in applying intersectionality/social justice theories to vaccine distribution than finding people who actually know what they are doing. Will the leftist commentariat apply all the blame for the deaths to him, as they have been doing with Trump?

    I can only hope whoever runs against him is taking notes. There’s not a single measurable metric where he is not bottom of the barrel on this crisis.

  44. Phoenix says:

    They still make time even during the pandemic. Plus the censorship in the listing as usual for certain genders.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9092767/Special-education-teacher-26-charged-rape-having-sex-16-year-old-student.html

  45. BRT says:

    Jersey has so much red tape you need 30 people to sign off on the reroof of a house. What makes anyone think giving a vaccine would be any easier.

    This state is full of PhD’s and EdD’s from University of Phoenix, and is top 10 in the amount of lawyers per capita. It’s amazing there is not a law on the books in Jersey on how to hold a fork properly while consuming pasta.

    There will be once they bad plastic forks. Oh wait…NM only straws and bags are bad.

  46. Phoenix says:

    Censorship in the comments.

  47. ExEssex says:

    11:52 I recently learned that Val Kilmer and Kevin Spacey were best friends as kids. Kilmer’s dad apparently paid for Kevin to attend Julliard.

  48. Phoenix says:

    Just think how bad the other guy had to be in order for Murphy to get in.

  49. ExEssex says:

    Phoenix we both love the DM but damn their webpage is almost unreadable sometimes.

  50. Phoenix says:

    Just reflecting on my weekend. Be glad you are all breathing and vertical today. The things I saw over the last 3 will be with me for the rest of my life. Some people are really dealt a s**% hand in life, non covid related. One after another. Not old either. Just bad luck or bad genes. Never had a run like this in my entire career, usually there is something positive to break it up. Nope. 2020 really sucked right down to it’s last minute.

  51. Phoenix says:

    Use windscribe. Blasts the ads to zero. Thing is Daily Mail posts all of the crap about America that our news refuses to. Sure you need to filter the tabloid out of it but the meat and potatoes are all there as well.

    And for 2021 set up a pihole. No, not shut your pihole, set up a pihole. Thank me later. Everyone on this board can afford one.

  52. ExEssex says:

    We are coming to a reckoning here in the US.
    The jingoism and lies are becoming clear.
    People are not that smart. We are dumb animals.
    But the market sees us as an object in our present system
    of Commercial healthcare. We are bound by science and it is being
    Unfairly exploited and literally costing people their liberty.

  53. joyce says:

    Dink,
    Do you remember when the CDC said do not wear masks? Do you remember when Fauci said if you’re young and healthy go on a cruise?

  54. Walking says:

    Essex, must be nice to have money like Greg norman. Had an 80 year old show up at HUMC, test positive and they sent her home with antibiotics. Never made it.

  55. Dink says:

    Joyce, yes I do of course. Plenty of people were saying this was wrong advice at the time.

  56. No One says:

    Essex,
    Statists are just using coronavirus as a justification of what they already wanted, control over all industries including healthcare.
    Infection and death rates aren’t particularly worse in the US than major European countries who offer “free” government healthcare. Belgium has the highest death rate per capita in the world and has a state-run system. UK, Spain, Italy all have national health care and have fared worse than the US. Despite having a lower % deemed ethnically more vulnerable to it.

    Remember when Bill Clinton got caught playing peekaboo with his cigar and the “news” media reminded us of how superior European people were for being more “grown up” about their political leader’s affairs? Today how many major “news” organizations have used European comparative per capita data to suggest that the US case/fatality rates are pretty much normal for majority European countries?

    Who is pointing out that profit-driven pharma companies appear to have developed the best-performing, highest-volume vaccines, despite the Chicoms having a multi-month head-start? Has Sean Penn gone to visit Cuba to try out their non-existent vaccine?

  57. Libturd says:

    There is definitely some truth in Dink’s BRT’s and Phoenix’ screeds. A lot of generalizing too. For about 1 day, the CDC thought, perhaps saving masks to use for the frontline would have been better than having the gen pop horde it. The right wing conspiracists saw this as a great political opportunity to support their idiot in chief (and lead mask hater) in their denial of most science. You are all kidding your selves if you are actually claiming to have believed it. None of you believed it for a minute. But it does make an excellent talking point if you consider lying the way to get your message across.

    Now seriously, our town has been a bit of a disaster in Covid spread. We had 14 girls on the high school soccer team get it at party they had after winning the state championship. Then a bunch of boys they invited to the party got it and spread it to their families. The common denominator continues to be going maskless. I saw the same trend in the Atlantic City cas1no reports. These especially interested me since before we hit about 4K a day in new cases, I was down there a lot. Of course, with a crazy strong mask and playing video poker machines always with noone within 20 feet of me. I also wiped down the machines, didn’t move around and was careful as a mofo. But the table games were clearly not safe (even with plexi) nor were the busy slots, even though every other machine was turned off. And then there were the restaurants at supposed 25% capacity, which appeared to be that way from what I witnessed. Though, when the report came out for cases, the vast majority of them were restaurant workers. Even though the restaurants were closed for over 1/2 the time the report took place. Sure there was one or two dealers, lobby people, etc. But the vast majority worked in the restaurants, the only place in the hotel where masks were not required.

    I know very few people who got it who were careful and always wore masks at all times when not separated. Though my evidence is anecdotal, I know more hospital workers than you could imagine and they all agree that masks (and low exposure time) are the key to not getting it.

    As for Murphy, he won due to his Wall Street war chest that he used to buy off the unions and quite frankly, everyone. He is a public relations mega user. And he doesn’t only have his own money at hand. He has his rich anonymous New Direction SPAC friends that too will contribute endlessly as will the NJEA. Money is not the end-all be-all to winning elections. But it certainly helps, especially when everyone else running is a lifetime politician with zero private sector liquidity. I warned everyone about how bad he was and he is driving NJ into the ground. This state is passed the point of return. Just watch 2021, when we are taxed into oblivion (which we already are) to pay for all of the dormant state workers.

    No One makes an interesting point. “It’s possible that occasionally broken lockdowns are more dangerous than no lockdowns at all?” I would guess, probably no, though the numbers would be close enough to warrant study. IMO, it’s really about masks. Personally, I feel we can open up just about anything as long as there is no crowding and masks are worn. But that doesn’t fit the left or right political narratives so instead, the morons will lockdown what doesn’t need to be and people who should be wearing masks (like those attending political rallies) don’t.

    This country is incredibly stupid. Once a great nation (supposedly). We are now a complete joke.

  58. joyce says:

    The US “studies” regarding masks are not double-blind peer reviewed studies. In other words, they would be derided and dismissed entirely if they purported to show that masks were ineffective. The double-blind peer reviewed studies internationally have shown masks have marginal to zero benefit.

    Dink says:
    December 28, 2020 at 12:58 pm
    Joyce, yes I do of course. Plenty of people were saying this was wrong advice at the time.

  59. Phoenix says:

    This country is incredibly stupid, arrogant and selfish. Once a great nation (supposedly)

    That’s better. Fixed it for FTFY.
    A country full of tendies and Karens.

  60. joyce says:

    Libturd,
    The common denominator is that there was 14+ people at the party and other examples of people not keeping separation. I’m not sure why you think separation/distance is equally as important as wearing masks. In my opinion, the former is considerably more important than the latter.

  61. joyce says:

    NY data:
    Small, private household gatherings continue to be the largest catalyst of spread at 74% of new infections.
    https://www.hudsonvalley360.com/news/nystate/officials-make-contact-tracing-data-public/article_fcfcbbd0-3c54-5f4c-b91e-5f3886a64155.html

  62. Phoenix says:

    The Grey Poupon of Covid. They all ran out of the hotel under the cover of darkeness to escape the quarantine as rules really only apply to plebs.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9092737/Brexiteer-Andy-Wigmore-British-tourists-fled-Switzerland-avoid-10-day-quarantine.html

  63. NoOneLovesTraitorFatsoEddie says:

    Ex Essex, Val Kilmer is also in a tough spot, as he had voice box removed because of cancer. Will not be surprised that Kilmer might be one of the people Spacey refers too in his video.

    No One, just like TraitorLovingFatsoEddie, you are d!psh!t. You are equating “crisis R & D” with the usual marketplace, btw – the EU is paying about $5 less per shot than the US for both Pfizer and Moderna. Also forgetting Public Health 101, which was made clear in the 1918 Flu Epidemic, you got to take care of the poor little guy, if you don’t he will violate every rule to make money. A large chunk of the sick in LA, or in NYC or any other area are the day laborer working poor.

  64. Phoenix says:

    Joyce
    The closer you get to an infected person, the better quality your mask better be, and the better attention to detail your technique needs to have.

    Let’s not forget about eye protection either at close range.

  65. BRT says:

    The same people who run around telling everyone cloth masks works are the same people that go, Gator’s don’t work, here’s why. Cloth/surgical masks were shown in years past to be at best, 9% effective against influenza type illnesses for hospital workers.

    N95 masks works. True actual filtering masks work. There’s a guy who did his graduate research in aersol particle distribution. He tested every mask there is. Basically found N95 and KN94 (korean) masks were the best keeping out 99% of the particulate he tested. KN95(chinese) kept out 67%. If you wanted everyone to wear a high quality filtering mask, yes, that would probably would have worked.

  66. Phoenix says:

    btw – the EU is paying about $5 less per shot than the US for both Pfizer and Moderna.

    Our best and brightest go into finance. They would make more money trading vaccine then those who actually make the stuff.

    America was built on stolen intellectual property and then it’s industrial revolution.

    Now it’s built on having someone else build it, taking a cut, and profiting.

  67. Phoenix says:

    BRT,
    Take into account that they also keep things in as well. All those micro sized droplets of spit that no longer escape into the surrounding air, yes, that matters as well. Just think when you were a kid and blew out your candles on your birthday cake you sprayed the eyeballs of everyone around you with secretions from your nasopharynx.

    Have a slice.

  68. Juice Box says:

    Lib – All this focus on masks and not hygiene. Not everyone will follow the recommended guidelines, so infected people slip through the ‘holes’ in masks and go out when they should be home quarantining. We have seen plenty of people breaking quarantine politicians do it, and talking heads on TV as well.

    This is where the hygiene part comes in, but does not have nearly enough emphasis. Did they arrest or cite or fine anybody for not washing their hands? I cannot find a single story so I guess not. Simple hand washing if the first line of defense, but the media is almost completely ignoring this fact.

    Also CDC updated their guidelines. Masks are not effective when exposure is 15 minutes or more.

    .According to the CDC, anyone who has symptoms or tests positive is a risk to others even if masks are worn.

    15 minutes in Walmart checkout line or any Supermarket is enough.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html

    Wash your Damm Hands you filthy mouth breathers!

  69. Juice Box says:

    Giv Phil is one of the worst, it’s an election year for him, so he was out there today at a nursing home in Old Bridge holding a press conference. Took his mask off to yap and yammer and forgot to put it back on. Travels all over the state with an entourage including videographers, there is no reason for it other than Politics.

  70. Libturd says:

    Juice. I know and I have always practiced good hygiene. A lot of stem from having lived with a kid who had zero immunity to anything for a multiple years. Though even before then, having visited a nicu and the required 5 minutes of hand washing really opened my eyes. I am extremely conscious of it, but know I am among a very small group that is THIS careful. Even so, I know separation is the ultimate guarantee (Joyce). I never have worn a cloth mask (commen sense here) and will don the K or N 95 if I am headed into a store where there could be a line. Which I have really only done once since Covid started. It’s all common sense. Exposure time is certainly key too. I am very cognizant of it when out in the public.

  71. No One says:

    Gavin Newsome bought billions of dollars worth of masks from the Chinese (namely from BYD, whose largest shareholder is Berkshire Hathaway). Who is actually wearing those masks – just healthcare workers? Has he handed them out to the working poor most at risk in his state?

    The really stupid part about mask wearing is that lots of people put them on during the times they don’t need them – walking out in fresh air in low human-density locations. Mostly due to peer pressure. But then they take them off when they are seated and loudly talking and laughing at The French Laundry, or whatever restaurant it is. Or when they are indoor at home with friends and family. Science says it should be the reverse. Distance and large volumes of fresh air. How many people have caught covid surfing or walking alone on the breezy beach? Lockdowns just drive people together indoors out of sight. Even UK’s lockdown czar Neil Ferguson couldn’t abide by his own lockdown for more than a few weeks before inviting his mistress over.
    Libturd might wish for Chinese style lockdowns where they throw everyone they catch into a COVID gulag and then make them disappear. In China they track down people who buy cold medicine and throw them in. And they go door to door and demand your temperature and throw you in the storage if you have a fever. But Americans thankfully won’t accept such treatment.

    Anyway, because like BRT I am no dummy, when I was flying to and from Florida to find my future primary residence in Longboat Key, I and my family wore Korean N94 masks on the airplane and airport. Neck gaiters and bandanas and Lululemon masks are mostly for nominal compliance without actually doing much good, and definitely don’t protect yourself. All masks aren’t the same.

  72. Phoenix says:

    “I was flying to and from Florida to find my future primary residence in Longboat Key”

    Guess that’s one way to avoid paying the 200 Billion dollar deficit to pension plans of NJ retirees.

    Even better for those who are the recipients of such pensions. Profit 20x the amount you have paid in. I’d call that a win-win.

  73. leftwing says:

    Dink, at least your handle is accurate…

    “Leftwing was confidently spouting off nonsense such as wearing masks make it worse.”

    Never said. Did agree with others on here that not wearing them correctly and constantly fussing were issues.

    “Dont touch your face and you cant get covid.”

    Never said that in the absolute. Did say that it was probably not advised to go out shopping then rub your eyes or pick your nose. Which is why I wore surgical gloves back in those days.

    “And if you do get covid you are to blame and you are no different than a drunk driver or drug addict.”

    Definitely did not say the latter given my family’s history with addiction….did say that any one person’s likelihood of contracting covid is substantially controlled by that person…ie, if you are vulnerable, quarantine and isolate, and don’t put that obligation on the 80% of the population that is not vulnerable.

    Still stand by all the above.

    Good accurate reporting though, a job awaits you at the NYT.

  74. Dink says:

    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2020/03/28/c19-open-discussion-week-3/#comment-1160480

    leftwing says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:46 pm

    “Tell that to the 3,000 American’s who have died. Oh wait, we did.
    I really wish it was that simple.”

    Then they die. Pretty simple.

    No different than the drunk that repeatedly gets behind a wheel, an addict shooting up, an idiot teenager cliff jumping before checking for depth and rocks….

    Stupidity has consequences. Not my job nor the government’s to protect you from your own obviously idiotic decisions.”

  75. Dink says:

    Oh, and you are right, you didnt say in the absolute terms that you cant get it if you dont touch your face. You just said near-zero.

    “Wash your hands and don’t touch your face and you literally have a near zero risk of infection.”

    You are no different than the media hacks you decry.

  76. Fast Eddie says:

    Dink, at least your handle is accurate…

    Lol.. thought the same. Awww.. such a cute name, rhymes with Tink.

  77. Phoenix says:

    an idiot teenager cliff jumping before checking for depth and rocks…

    The sad ones are the adults/kids that attempt and fail for the same reasons-they misjudged. Then not only do they have the issues/problems that they started with, now they have severe physical injuries piled on top.

    Still burned in the memory. Some things I wish I could call the MIB and get a Neuralyzer treatment.

  78. Phoenix says:

    Hey, I got something to do. Hold my feeding tube.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmyfeedingtube/

  79. leftwing says:

    I’ll own those comments, in context.

    Yes, if you are told not to engage in risky behavior, then you do, and you have an adverse outcome that is on you…..it’s not up to the government or others, as I say, to protect you from the consequences of your own idiotic decisions.

    In addition to DWI, drug abuse, blind cliff jumping let’s keep the list going….unprotected anonymous sex, street racing, skiing closed back country slopes in April, etc, etc, etc.

    Wash your hands
    Avoid touching your mucus membranes and eyes
    Yes, wear a mask

    And with knowledge obtained since that post in March social distance.

    Your chances of catching this virus are small.

    Are you arguing against those points?

  80. Phoenix says:

    Someone on here wanted to get a split system central air unit. If you are going to install it yourself, don’t do it like these guys.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/holdmyfeedingtube/comments/klv98z/hmft_after_i_try_to_hold_onto_the_ladder/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

  81. Phoenix says:

    LW,
    Add be careful who you marry. Then your list is complete.

  82. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    Where’s the other stooge?

  83. Hold my beer says:

    Went to hmart this morning. More crowded than normal for a weekday morning. Still only saw one person not wearing a mask properly (an old white guy). Several people were wearing face shields and gloves. Definitely will only shop there for groceries. Last Walmart trip at least 1/3 of the employees and over 10% of the shoppers were not properly wearing a mask. Will only do Amazon fresh or curbside pickup at Walmart. Still lots of people think COVID is a hoax or just the flu in my area

  84. grim says:

    You can order mini-splits with longer line-sets so that you aren’t trying to mount a compressor on the second story.

    Challenge with long-linesets are they they need to be vac’ed and the unit will require additional refrigerant, tools that most folks don’t have.

    Negates the ability to do it DIY – so these idiots mount them up.

    I heard in Mexico they mount them higher because people just come by and steal them otherwise.

  85. 30 year realtor says:

    So many comments on NJ being behind the curve in vaccinating it’s citizens. It would be far more accurate if the comparison was percentage of population vaccinated rather than total vaccinations. In percentage of citizens vaccinated, NJ is solidly in the middle of the pack. While California is 2nd in the nation in does given, NJ is ahead of California in percentage of citizens vaccinated.

  86. grim says:

    While California is 2nd in the nation in does given, NJ is ahead of California in percentage of citizens vaccinated.

    New Jersey is also well ahead in terms of mortality rate, but we don’t get a prize for that.

    In fact, that’s the #1 reason we should be ahead on all metrics. % of Pop, Administered vs. Received, etc etc. We were first, we were worst, and we learned nothing.

    The fact that the Covid Death Capital of the US (or even the World) couldn’t submit simple paperwork on time is all you need to know.

    So yes, we should expect far better.

  87. joyce says:

    Why?

    December 28, 2020 at 5:15 pm
    So many comments on NJ being behind the curve in vaccinating it’s citizens. It would be far more accurate if the comparison was percentage of population vaccinated rather than total vaccinations.

  88. joyce says:

    “Still lots of people think COVID is a hoax or just the flu in my area”

    Everyone should check out the CDC’s flu numbers. They are microscopic. Perhaps, the flu is the real hoax…

  89. Grim says:

    Murphy more interested in election year covid photo ops and congratulating himself on his daily press conference.

  90. BRT says:

    A few days ago, we have the same amount of vaccinations as North Dakota and South Dakota. How many people live there? You can’t massage the numbers…they completely suck.

  91. BRT says:

    It would also be worth noting all of our vaccinations were health care workers and none of them nursing home patients until today.

  92. BRT says:

    If you want some great scientific analysis on each brand of mask, check out Aaron Collins and his channel. He tests the masks and gives you the numbers by brand/model. Good stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3fF_rzkmZD0ufN685YE7lg

  93. Juice Box says:

    Mitch Mcconnell could send himself out to pasture if he does not put up a seperate Senate $2k stimulus bill for a vote ASAP. Big election next week.

  94. grim says:

    The other is an issue of acceleration. Texas is running more than 50k a week at this point, NJ not even remotely close, so the gap will continue to widen.

    NJ has a vague plan for “mega-sites” sometime in mid-January (which have a whopping capacity of 2,000 daily).

    At some point, NJ allocations will start to be redirected to states that can actually administer them, instead of stockpile.

  95. grim says:

    As of this afternoon, California is up to 300k doses administered.

    That’s 17% of received doses administered.

    Compared to NJ – 11%

  96. grim says:

    NJ population over 18 – 6.3 million – 0.73% of population vaccinated

    CA population over 18 – 24.6 million – 1.22% of population vaccinated

  97. ExEssex says:

    CA has just partnered with CVS and Walgreens to administer vaccines.

  98. grim says:

    California, Florida, and Texas were able to hit those numbers without CVS and Walgreens

    NJ is banking on CVS and Walgreens to hit the numbers.

    Big Difference.

  99. Juice Box says:

    Gotta love how the politicians are now jumping in front of each other, now that the vaccines are here.

  100. Juice Box says:

    re ““mega-sites” 2k vaccinations a day.

    Just put up a tent at every Shoprite and stick grandma and grandpa as they are headed into the store to get their daily supply of fried foods and booze.

  101. crushednjmillenial says:

    If the Murphy administration cannot figure out how to begin administering substantially more vaccine doses per day, then it is time for him to remove the limits/guidelines on WHO can receive a vaccine.

    I suspect part of the bottleneck is that the entities with doses of vaccine are confirming that potential vaccine receipients are healthcare workers or are a certain age. While it would be ideal to vaccinate the oldest first, it is far better for more vaccine to be distributed quickly but to suboptimally-aged people than for it to sit in storage.

    It is mind-boggling to imagine that realistically at least an additional 90,000 NJ residents should have received their first dose by now.

  102. Grim says:

    Texas announced something similar today A that they would not wait for priority groups to be completed before moving to the next group – citing that there would inevitably be logistical difficulties in achieving penetration rate.

    The ol’ 80/20.

    Which is smart.

  103. Juice Box says:

    The 80 year olds aren’t leaving their homes to get vaccinated, they expect the government to come to their home and vaccinate them. Such is Medicare.

    Last I checked the aides medicare sends to change depends to give you a sponge bath don’t have training on administering vaccines, and the 80 year olds primary care doctor is not about to do get in his car and make the rounds or even have the vaccine in stock. Get your ass to the CVS grandma….

  104. No One says:

    BRT,
    I hate watching 20 minutes of video to get a conclusion i could read in 20 seconds.
    Skimming halfway through a video, BOTN kf94 masks look good.

  105. Juice Box says:

    Weed Bill won’t be signed by Gov Murphy.

    He wants penalties for underage use. Maybe he should start at home?

  106. Put Boomer Zombies Down says:

    From Krugman in the NY Times today. It applies to Trump and Murphy. Edited for shortness and making a point.

    Maybe it was the visuals that did it. It’s hard to know what aspects of reality make it into Donald Trump’s ever-shrinking bubble — and I’m happy to say that after Jan. 20 we won’t have to care about what goes on in his not-at-all beautiful mind — but it’s possible that he became aware of how he looked, playing golf as millions of desperate families lost their unemployment benefits.

    Whatever the reason, on Sunday he finally signed an economic relief bill that will, among other things, extend those benefits for a few months. And it wasn’t just the unemployed who breathed a sigh of relief. Stock market futures — which are not a measure of economic success, but still — rose. Goldman Sachs marked up its forecast of economic growth in 2021.

    So this year is closing out with a second demonstration of the lesson we should have learned in the spring: In times of crisis, government aid to people in distress is a good thing, not just for those getting help, but for the nation as a whole. Or to put it a bit differently, 2020 was the year Reaganism died.

    What I mean by Reaganism goes beyond voodoo economics, the claim that tax cuts have magical power and can solve all problems. After all, nobody believes in that claim aside from a handful of charlatans and cranks, plus the entire Republican Party.

    No, I mean something broader — the belief that aid to those in need always backfires, that the only way to improve ordinary people’s lives is to make the rich richer and wait for the benefits to trickle down. This belief was encapsulated in Ronald Reagan’s famous dictum that the most terrifying words in English are “I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.”

    Well, in 2020 the government was there to help — and help it did.

    True, there were some people who advocated trickle-down policies even in the face of a pandemic. Trump repeatedly pushed for payroll tax cuts, which by definition would do nothing to directly help the jobless, even attempting (unsuccessfully) to slash tax collections through executive action.

    Oh, and the new recovery package does include a multi-billion-dollar tax break for business meals, as if three-martini lunches were the answer to a pandemic depression.

    Reagan-style hostility to helping people in need also persisted. There were some politicians and economists who kept insisting, in the teeth of the evidence, that aid to unemployed workers was actually causing unemployment, by making workers unwilling to accept job offers.

    Over all, however — and somewhat shockingly — U.S. economic policy actually responded fairly well to the real needs of a nation forced into lockdown by a deadly virus. Aid to the unemployed and business loans that were forgiven if they were used to maintain payrolls limited the suffering. Direct checks sent to most adults weren’t the best targeted policy ever, but they boosted personal incomes.

    All this big-government intervention worked. Despite a lockdown that temporarily eliminated 22 million jobs, poverty actually fell while the assistance lasted.

    And there was no visible downside. As I’ve already suggested, there was no indication that helping the unemployed deterred workers from taking jobs when they became available. Most notably, the employment surge from April to July, in which nine million Americans went back to work, took place while enhanced benefits were still in effect.

    Nor did huge government borrowing have the dire consequences deficit scolds always predict. Interest rates stayed low, while inflation remained quiescent.

    So the government was there to help, and it really did. The only problem was that it cut off help too soon. Extraordinary aid should have continued as long as the coronavirus was still rampant — a fact implicitly acknowledged by bipartisan willingness to enact a second rescue package, and Trump’s grudging eventual willingness to sign that legislation.

    Indeed, some of the aid we provided in 2020 should continue even after we have widespread vaccination. What we should have learned last spring is that adequately funded government programs can greatly reduce poverty. Why forget that lesson as soon as the pandemic is over?

    Now, when I say that Reaganism died in 2020 I don’t mean that the usual suspects will stop making the usual arguments. Voodoo economics is too deeply embedded in the modern G.O.P. — and too useful to billionaire donors seeking tax cuts — to be banished by inconvenient facts.

    Opposition to helping the unemployed and the poor was never evidence-based; it was always rooted in a mix of elitism and racial hostility. So we’ll still keep hearing about the miraculous power of tax cuts and the evils of the welfare state.

    But while Reaganism will still be out there, it will now, even more than before, be zombie Reaganism — a doctrine that should have been killed by its encounter with reality, even if it’s still shambling along, eating politicians’ brains.

    For the lesson of 2020 is that in a crisis, and to some extent even in calmer times, the government can do a lot to improve people’s lives. And what we should fear most is a government that refuses to do its job.

  107. BRT says:

    That’s BS. The reality is, if you let this virus run wild, you’d have a ton of dead old people and an economy that is still highly functional. It’s disingenuous to claim that the government help to business owners and citizens is doing good when it was the government that arbitrarily outlawed their ability to work and earn money. These government payoffs have been a disaster and this whole monetary/fiscal policy is going to have real consequences. Look at the bailouts now. They are an order of magnitude higher than the 2008 bailout/stimulus. Those things that Krugman supported were implemented and the underlying long term problems with the economy only got worse.

    You have “now hiring” signs so ubiquitous, my 6 year old daughter asked me why everyone has them on their windows. Meanwhile, people are still being paid a premium to not work. Or…like my brother and a few others I know, they are being paid that premium, and working under the table.

  108. Entertain Yourself Today says:

    American Airlines first commercial 737MAX flight. Track it if you dare.

    https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAL718/history/20201229/1532Z/KMIA/KLGA

  109. Fast Eddie says:

    What’s any different about the Krugman piece that he hasn’t being saying for years? He’s a card-carrying, s0c1alist cunt, that’s nothing new.

  110. Phoenix says:

    “The reality is, if you let this virus run wild, you’d have a ton of dead old people and an economy that is still highly functional.”

    I’m sure I had said something like this in the past.

  111. Phoenix says:

    Q. What is the range of a 737 vs 737Max?

    A. The Max can make it all the way to the scene of the crash.

  112. Phoenix says:

    BRT,

    Our “American” corporations are still outsourcing jobs and are still importing things from China.

    Let me run outside and put up my flag. You know, the Chinese made one.

  113. Phoenix says:

    The 737Max is a metaphor for everything wrong in America.

    Suck it up and accept the fact that this country is it’s own worst problem.

  114. ExEssex says:

    2020 was the year Reaganism died.

    What I mean by Reaganism goes beyond voodoo economics, the claim that tax cuts have magical power and can solve all problems. After all, nobody believes in that claim aside from a handful of charlatans and cranks, plus the entire Republican Party.

  115. ExEssex says:

    WSJ

    The Wall Street Journal published an editorial on Monday effectively accusing President Trump of sabotaging Republicans’ chances of winning the Georgia Senate runoffs with his push for $2,000 stimulus checks, calling it an “in-kind contribution to Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden.”

    Why it matters: It’s another sharp criticism from a newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch — co-chair of Fox Corp. and executive chair of News Corp — that comes one day after the New York Post said Trump is “cheering for an undemocratic coup” with his efforts to overturn the election he lost.

  116. Grim says:

    Killing old people is positive for the economy.

    This could be one of the largest wealth transfers in history.

    Incredible amount of capital freed up for investment and consumption.

    Not to mention the upward mobility enablement and follow on income benefits.

    Too soon?

  117. BRT says:

    Our “American” corporations are still outsourcing jobs and are still importing things from China.

    Let me run outside and put up my flag. You know, the Chinese made one.

    It will take more than a decade of tariffs to unwind that fact.

  118. Put Boomer Zombies Down says:

    BRT, Regarding your “It will take more than a decade of tariffs to unwind that fact.”

    Or 3 belly-up aircraft carriers in the South China seas during a fight with China. After which will be effectively blockaded out of Asian suppliers. Kiss Japanese, Korean, and anything else goodbye.

  119. Juice Box says:

    re: “Incredible amount of capital freed up for investment and consumption.”

    Just ask Chicago about that one, as soon as Grandma kicks the bucket the kids descend like locusts to consume until there is nothing left.

    Reminds me of a guy I worked with back when I was in High School. He was mid-20’s and his mother suddenly passed and he was left the house. Next thing you know he is driving a brand new Corvette, a late 1980s convertible while making maybe $5.00 an hour. The car back then cost 34,000, he hocked the house for a car!

  120. Put Boomer Zombies Down says:

    Biggest Lesson we as a country will relearn again is.

    Corporations needs to be guided and kept in check by government, for their own good and the country’s good. Just like blinders on a horse, enough to see forward and not enough to do stupid stuff and endanger everyone.

    Will relearn it, once we get our behind handed to us with a little “Ayn Rand free market” chocolate flower on top of it.

  121. Phoenix says:

    America still thinks war is like a football game because now when they watch it it’s all on TV.
    Sorry but it ain’t 1950 anymore pal. This time around it’ll be different. These muppets have no idea what they’re asking for

  122. ExEssex says:

    Trump is garbage.
    His supporters imbeciles.

    Any Questions?!??

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    2020 was the year Reaganism died.

    You wish it did. Your side has no legacy to dispute. Your side clings to utopian dreams that practices timeless failure. How’s that for a legacy? 32 years later and you cunts are still bitter that Reaganism prevails and Trump proved it, which makes you mutherf.uckers burn even more. Hahahaha… the old f.uck your side is propping up is going to be epic entertainment. Once a week he pops out of his hole to read a placard. What a trailblazer! I wonder how much he’s going to make with his China connection for however long he clings to office?

  124. 3b says:

    I think people may be surprised to find out a lot of these old people don’t have as much money as people might think they do. I know quite a few people that are writing checks to their parents every month.

  125. ExEssex says:

    What’s so nice about having legal weed?

    Having legal weed.

  126. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden is a felon.
    Liberals are p.ussies.

    Any questions?

  127. ExEssex says:

    “Your side clings to utopian dreams that practices timeless failure.“

    Is that why every single Democratic President elected over the past 40 years has has the unenviable task of digging the USA out of the deep economic morass left them by the outgoing GOP POTUS!!??

  128. 3b says:

    It will be interesting to see what happens to all these high paying NYC construction jobs in Manhattan. No demand for office space and lots of existing space being symptom the market. This will impact these union wage construction jobs. A friend of mine told me their pension plans are not in great shape either.

  129. ExEssex says:

    11:17 totally.
    Conversely my folks are pleased as punch that I’m not tapping them for cash either.

    Living a long life is expensive!

  130. ExEssex says:

    11:15 the only thing that Trump proved is that you guys are stupid enough to elect anyone who will “own the Libs”.

  131. Juice Box says:

    3b – “high paying NYC construction jobs in Manhattan”

    My cousin swung a hammer for the last 30 + years in NYC, when Covid hit they all got furloughed and laid off, so he pulled the trigger and retired. Plan was to work another year or two but he is done now. Plan is to sell and get rid of the property tax burden and head to South Carolina.

    We shall see if he gets full price for the house, his is a bit north of here in Orange County NY.

  132. Juice Box says:

    Case-Shiller out.

    We have reached the bubble high of 2006-2007 for NY Metro 215.09

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/NYXRSA

  133. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Here comes China. Lol

    “Bei­jing is seek­ing to shrink Jack Ma’s tech­nol­ogy and fi­nan­cial em­pire and po­ten­tially take a larger stake in his busi­nesses, ac­cord­ing to Chi­nese of­fi­cials and gov­ern­ment ad­vis­ers fa­mil­iar with the mat­ter, as reg­u­la­tors zero in on the bil­lion­aire in a cam­paign to strengthen over­sight of an in­creas-ingly in­flu­en­tial tech sphere.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-eyes-shrinking-jack-mas-business-empire-11609260092?st=m9oj2ugsxh7rffd&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup…even if it is brutal.

    Grim says:
    December 29, 2020 at 10:48 am
    Killing old people is positive for the economy.

    This could be one of the largest wealth transfers in history.

    Incredible amount of capital freed up for investment and consumption.

    Not to mention the upward mobility enablement and follow on income benefits.

    Too soon?

  135. Juice Box says:

    Except who is old?

    When the crystal in the palm of your hand flashes is your time up?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G4grNWBAAE&feature=emb_logo

  136. 3b says:

    Juice: Those construction guys make a fortune. Unskilled laborers make $60.00 an hour! And the benefits are great too. I don’t see how that continues going forward. Orange Co is a hike, but with WFH he may be fine. People don’t need to live close to NYC anymore. There will be no return to the city like it was pre-Covid. A lot of companies are in the process now of constructing how and for whom permanent WFH will implemented.

  137. Snake 1 Turtle 0 says:

    The NY Snake looks about to make a fool of Kentucky Turtle. Trump just made GOP Senators jump to his “how high” and ignore McConnell. From NY Times;

    Senators Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, who face tight runoff elections in Georgia, became the latest in a handful of Senate Republicans to endorse increasing the payments.

  138. 3b says:

    Juice I understand the allure of South Carolina and other areas, but if your family is still all up here, what is the point of moving to SC or other areas that far away.

  139. 3b says:

    Juice: Prices back in bubble territory and still rising. It will be some collapse!!

  140. BRT says:

    Even old people that have nothing manage to drain the system of ten of thousands of dollars on their way out when they are trying to keep themselves alive for an extra 3 months.

  141. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why are you against people making money? Why should everyone be underpaid?

    Nyc will come back even stronger…watch and learn.

    3b says:
    December 29, 2020 at 12:20 pm
    Juice: Those construction guys make a fortune. Unskilled laborers make $60.00 an hour! And the benefits are great too. I don’t see how that continues going forward. Orange Co is a hike, but with WFH he may be fine. People don’t need to live close to NYC anymore. There will be no return to the city like it was pre-Covid. A lot of companies are in the process now of constructing how and for whom permanent WFH will implemented.

  142. 3b says:

    Pumps: Where did I say I was against people making money? As for NYC coming back stronger,it’s not; and it’s as simple as that. Listen and learn from the people who actually have corporate careers that were based on being in NYC. It’s a changed world little fella!

  143. Phoenix says:

    “Unskilled laborers make $60.00 an hour! And the benefits are great too”

    I need to ask for a big raise. Thanks for the heads up.

  144. Grim says:

    At this rate, looks like NJ will achieve herd immunity through infection rather than vaccination.

  145. No One says:

    Reaganism died when Reagan was elected. Reagan gave good speeches. He had one good tax cut that did help spur a moribund economy. He may have reduced some red tape, but some deregulation also started under Carter (surprisingly). He didn’t cut welfare spending. He didn’t cut or privatize social security. Reagan increased government spending, especially in defense. He definitely scared the commies in Russia, whom American lefties as the time wanted us to hug and adore.
    Still, Reagan’s speeches told people that they were Americans, and that liberty was important to them, and that through effort they could succeed. That was enough to forever upset the lefties who want Americans to feel like helpless incompetents forever needing the government to save their collective lives. Of course dwarfish and ugly Krugman seethed at the idea that America’s stupid plebes wouldn’t listen to his expert state-run plans. As a short but brilliant philosopher King, Krugman knows what is best for the common people, even though they stubbornly cling to their illusions of freedom and free will.

  146. leftwing says:

    Krugman is a charlatan and a fool.

    “It’s disingenuous to claim that the government help to business owners and citizens is doing good when it was the government that arbitrarily outlawed their ability to work and earn money.”

    BRT nails it. Typical liberal orthodoxy….government takes 80% of what’s yours and hands you back 10%….then dislocates its arm patting themselves on the back for what they ‘gave’ you.

  147. leftwing says:

    “Killing old people is positive for the economy. This could be one of the largest wealth transfers in history. Incredible amount of capital freed up for investment and consumption. Not to mention the upward mobility enablement and follow on income benefits. Too soon?”

    Not too son.

    And not to mention the incredible savings to the HC system.

  148. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I know someone who does commercial glass. The crew was cut from 5 to 3. The pipeline is dry. If you consider that coming back strong then you’re absolutely right.

    IMO NY is fvcked. Commissar de blasio will blame it on capitalism and white privilege and beg for a bailout from Biden.

  149. leftwing says:

    “Is that why every single Democratic President elected over the past 40 years has has the unenviable task of digging the USA out of the deep economic morass left them by the outgoing GOP POTUS!!??”

    And the last refuge of true idiots….measuring economic success by Presidential term start and end dates without regard to the Fed and control of Congress. You still write with crayons?

  150. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Isn’t nj a party in the lawsuit to deny nyc income tax on remote workers? $1.2B at stake. That will be interesting.

    A lady who works for cuomo was hit in the head with a cinder block while walking around midtown minding her own business on Christmas eve. No cash bail makes it a great tourist town.

  151. leftwing says:

    “We have reached the bubble high of 2006-2007 for NY Metro 215.09”

    Don’t have time to look or do it but would love to see a graph of CS overlaid with SPX and the 30Y from 1980 onward.

  152. leftwing says:

    “At this rate, looks like NJ will achieve herd immunity through infection rather than vaccination.”

    Doesn’t matter…Murphy can take credit either way!

  153. grim says:

    Both my roofer and tree guy are telling me I’ll be lucky if they can start before spring. Exterior contractor has some bandwidth if the weather is nice, but can’t start before the roof is on. They have all said the same thing, COVID-2020 was fantastic for trades, ESPECIALLY exterior trades (landscapers, pool guys, siding, roof, etc etc). Contractors are rocking and rolling out here, very busy. Good example of unexpected demand – roofing shingles – major shortages. Lumber prices, through the roof. Sure, there are supply side issues that are putting pressure on prices, but there is also demand side increases that are willing to pay the exorbitant price increases.

  154. 3b says:

    Grim: Agreed for those guys it has been great. And many of them use illegal immigrants to do the work and at least some I assume are taking gross advantages of them.

    I am talking about these union construction, carpenter, electrician guys who work in NYC and surrounding urban areas. The guys that have been doing the office, hotel, and residential apartments construction. I would think things are not good now to say the least.

  155. Juice Box says:

    And on the fourth day of Christmas Mitch McConnell gave to me… nothin.

  156. Juice Box says:

    Neighbor is getting roof replaced today, lucky for them there is global warming.

  157. Phoenix says:

    Many police officers own construction companies on the side.

  158. Libturd says:

    Killing old people is positive for the economy.

    I thought of this back in February. All of that inheritance money is certainly going to help the economy.

  159. 3b says:

    Juice: My neighbor too. All young Hispanic guys. They must be freezing!

  160. 3b says:

    Lib: A lot of old people are spending every dime!!

  161. Phoenix says:

    Ol’ Mitch blocked the increased payments. Maybe they will finally put that old goat out to pasture were he belongs.

    https://youtu.be/wOOh7sTkdfc?t=34

  162. Juice Box says:

    Good stuff the Senate may not have the votes to override Trump’s NDAA veto, McConnell may have to cave on the $2k stimulus.

  163. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    Better this than hot weather for them.

    America is a strange place, kicks it’s best workers across the border and seals them out. Keeps the laziest ones, employs them as government workers, and gives them a pension.

    Bwahhaaaaaaa.

  164. Phoenix says:

    Come on Mitchy. Come get a lunchtime lift, aka thread lift. Ok a nip and tuck on that gullet will take a bit more time but at least it won’t be getting wet in the cereal bowl when you have breakfast.

  165. Fast Eddie says:

    Omg, this is hilarious!! Lol!!

    https://joebiden.com/covid19/

  166. Libturd says:

    It is silly Gary, but not quite as silly as

    https://tinyurl.com/trumpscovid19plan

  167. Libturd says:

    Phoenix,

    We are currently in the process of collecting all of our massive medical expenses from the past 4 years. NJ Catastrophic will pay all of your medical bills over a catastrophic amount based on your income. We finally qualify for some cheese.

    Well I called and used the NJ EZ-Pass website to open two separate tickets to get all of my statements/transactions for the past 4 years. Of course their website is completely broken and you can barely get last month’s statement.

    They close both tickets nearly simultaneously a week later saying our Service Request 2-14189032751 has been closed. Unfortunately the statement(s) you have requested are no longer available. You may check your account activity by logging into your account and selecting the Transaction link in the left-hand column.

    I swear this country and state is completely fcuked. I’m not surprised when I hear of the Nashville bombings and similar incidents.

    I am now on hold for over 50 minutes waiting to speak to a manager that won’t pick up.

  168. ExEssex says:

    As she campaigns for reelection in the January 5 run-off, Kelly Loeffler, the super-wealthy former corporate executive and Republican donor who was appointed in late 2019 to a vacant US Senate seat in Georgia, has had to deal with bruising revelations about her personal finances and business dealings. These include the fact that when she entered the Senate in January 2020, she was given a spot on the Agriculture Committee, which oversees government regulators of the Fortune 500 business where she was recently a top officer. The company, Intercontinental Exchange (known as ICE), owns and operates a number of financial and commodity exchanges regulated by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, which falls under jurisdiction of the Agriculture Committee.

    Loeffler’s assignment to the committee seemed a whopping conflict of interest: She still owned between $5 million and $25 million in ICE stock, and her husband, Jeffrey Sprecher, is its CEO. Worse, Loeffler was placed on the committee’s

  169. ExEssex says:

    Cont’d

    subcommittee on commodities, which has direct oversight of the CFTC. In response to criticism, she left the subcommittee in May but remained a member of the full committee.

    Yet one piece of this tale has received little notice. Her conflict of interest was even more pronounced, for while Loeffler was on the commodities subcommittee, the CFTC took several actions that impacted ICE. This means Loeffler was overseeing regulators at the same time they were engaged in activity affecting a company she was intimately tied to as a current shareholder, former executive, and spouse of its CEO. That’s very swampy.

    The CFTC is highly important for ICE. As the firm’s annual report put it, several of its exchanges are “subject to extensive regulation by the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.” The Wall Street Journal noted that the CFTC’s “rule-making agenda can have a major impact on the company’s operations.” While a senior exec at ICE, Loeffler criticized the CFTC for proposing “excess regulation.”

    One particular conflict was rather obvious. In 2018, Loeffler left the ICE corporate team to become head of Bakkt, a new federally regulated market for trading Bitcoin that ICE launched. A short time later, when she was a senator overseeing the CFTC, ICE was concerned that Bakkt could be severely hurt by CFTC regulations. ICE pointed this out in a filing it submitted to the Securities and Exchange Committee in February 2020. The filing noted that the “CFTC has designated bitcoin as a commodity…subject to the CFTC’s jurisdiction and enforcement powers.” It stated that if the CFTC pursued an aggressive approach to this exchange, “it may have a significant adverse impact on Bakkt’s business and plan of operations.” ICE pointed out that CFTC activity—or the lack thereof—was crucial for the future prospects of the venture Loeffler once headed: “Ongoing and future regulatory actions may impact the ability of Bakkt to continue to operate, and such actions could affect the ability of Bakkt to continue as a going concern.” (In March 2020, the CFTC issued a major decision affecting cryptocurrency markets.)

    And Loeffler had a direct financial interest in Bakkt. In early 2019, she was awarded a $15.6 million stake in a company that owned a chunk of Bakkt—about half of which she cashed out at the end of that year when she left the firm, in an arrangement criticized by corporate governance experts.

  170. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    I feel your pain. Govt in NJ is a bottomless pit. There is no escape except to leave.

    And don’t expect much cheese either.

  171. Phoenix says:

    Well,
    Super Covid is here. Or it has been. It’s in Colorado apparently, probably from one of those unchecked private jets where those with money enjoy Grey Poupon and don’t get screened or wear masks.

    Either that or a weirdo American slept with her student after earlier being with a farm animal.

    Who knows.

  172. D-FENS says:

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell introduces competing bill for $2K stimulus checks. It would also repeal Section 230 and set up commission to study voter fraud

    https://twitter.com/oann/status/1344054942932189184?s=21

  173. Grim says:

    Hearing that there is vast difference in county by county administration with Essex leading the way, everyone else far off or completely nonexistent.

  174. Fabius Maximus says:

    So what happened to Operation Warp Speed, where the DOD would be delivering the vaccines? Donnie said 2 million by Jan 1st!

    Is this another case where the Administration punting it’s obligations off to the States?

  175. ExEssex says:

    6:49 sounds like a classic lack of execution.
    The Orange Menace is hell bent on chewing the scenery
    with every single headline he can grab. Half-assed leadership by reality show.

  176. Fabius Maximus says:

    With Covid we are seeing the true underbelly of Reganomics. The whole BS of the Service Based economy is crumbles when demand dries up or supply chains from other countries are disrupted.

    So what’s the current number of Gvmt intervention? 8 Trillion to this year to cover Covid?

    You reap what you sow!

  177. Phoenix says:

    Operation warp speed has been reduced to impulse power only. Scotty and all the guys in engineering have Covid. And Bones has not received his vaccine from the Federation yet.

  178. 3b says:

    Fab And the Democrats have been innocent in all of the Reaganomics over the last 40 years? Surely, you don’t believe that??

  179. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: don’t know whether you will appreciate this one; you seem to like Depeche Mode circa ’90….. here is what Gore did (a cover) right before he wrote the “Perversion” demos that became Violator.
    https://youtu.be/PcKkuiOcsaU

  180. Phoenix says:

    Trump has plenty of followers-almost like a cult. He may be diminished but what he set in motion will be around for a long time.
    Even as an outsider he will have the ability to push an agenda. Plus now he has a look at the inner workings of the system.

    Toodles.

  181. Phoenix says:

    Watch before you go to sleep. After your nightcap.

    https://youtu.be/lpk5WG-arRE?t=37

  182. Hold my beer says:

    Has fast Eddie been reincarnated.? This sounds like his house from a previous 19th century life. A cape with jail cells in the basement

    https://nypost.com/2020/12/29/cottage-with-a-freaky-jail-inside-on-sale-for-149k/

  183. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b,

    What wars did O or Bill start and put on the Credit Card?
    Its also hard to ignore the fact that W ran the economy off a cliff.

    That would leave Donnie the most successful GOP president in 4 decades.

  184. Fabius Maximus says:

    We talked about this a while back. My advice to Seniors has always been; if you dont know what you want to do, take a professional certification that will get you in the door at a place at an entry level. Use the time to get the mileage at the role. When you qualify, use Tuition Assistance if they have it, to follow up with degrees at night school or online.

    Looks like Google are adopting the model. This is a game changer.
    https://www.iflscience.com/policy/google-plan-to-replace-the-need-for-college-degrees-with-sixmonth-certificates/

  185. Phoenix says:

    Fab,
    How many of these does one need before they can be called doctor?

  186. FatsoEddieStillConstipat3d says:

    When Jennifer Lopez posted a video of her family sheltering in the backyard of Alex Rodriguez’s vast Miami compound, the public snapped.

    “We all hate you,” was one representative response.
    Interesting point, is not just the end of Reaganism. But the start of the end of useless no talent celebrity culture. Snippet below edited for shortness.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/arts/virus-celebrities.html

    Among the social impacts of the coronavirus is its swift dismantling of the cult of celebrity. The famous are ambassadors of the meritocracy; they represent the American pursuit of wealth through talent, charm and hard work. But the dream of class mobility dissipates when society locks down, the economy stalls, the death count mounts and everyone’s future is frozen inside their own crowded apartment or palatial mansion. The difference between the two has never been more obvious. The #guillotine2020 hashtag is jumping. As grocery aisles turn bare, some have suggested that perhaps they ought to eat the rich.

  187. Fabius Maximus says:

    Phoenix,

    Think more Nurse Practitioner. Not everyone gets to be an astronaut!

  188. crushednjmillenial says:

    According to the vaccine tracker below from NBC News, NJ is in 42nd place among the 50 States in per-capita vaccinations.

    For context in the Northeast, CT (the most-similar state to NJ, in my opinion) has administered double the per-capita doses. RI triple, per-capita. DE is double NJ, per-capita. NY almost double, per-capita. Surprinsingly, MA and MD are not crushing us on this metric.

    It is time for Gov. Murphy to announce that vaccine providers may administer vaccine doses to anyone willing to receive one.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/map-covid-19-vaccination-tracker-across-u-s-n1252085

  189. Chicago says:

    The day you stop posting here will be the true game changer.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    December 29, 2020 at 8:43 pm
    This is a game changer

  190. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly what I said…

    From a WSJ article.

    “Mr. Lavingia said many of the tech workers he has heard from are based outside the U.S.—in India, Nigeria, Singapore and Eastern Europe. He anticipates that as more people compete for fully remote jobs, the going rate for tech work will eventually come down.

    “Long term, this actually leads to better rates for almost everybody in the world but for a select few,” he said.”

    https://apple.news/A3_x7qtQaRq-Gf_aPNpECMQ

  191. The Great Pumpkin says:

    First, Covid-19 will not kill off cities like New York and Lon­don. Global cities will not only sur­vive but re­vive—as they did af­ter even dead­lier epi­demics, eco­nomic crises, wars and nat­ural dis­as­ters in the past—as their com­mer­cial spa­ces are trans­formed into mixed-use ar­eas where peo­ple live and work. This is be­cause the clus­ter­ing force—of tal­ent and in­no­va­tion—is a core char­ac­ter­is­tic of this new re­set. But, smaller cities and sub­urbs as well as rural ar­eas also have the abil­ity to thrive as peo­ple flock to them be­cause of their abil­ity to do far-flung jobs re­motely.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/will-coronavirus-be-the-death-of-cities-not-so-fast-11607612400?st=li1fom5aqzg7umi&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  192. Phoenix says:

    “if vaccination efforts continue at their current rate, it will take nearly a decade to adequately vaccinate 80 per cent of the country’s 330.7 million residents by then, the report shows.”

    Yup. Sounds about right. Bet Lori Loughlin got hers.

  193. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “But Heckman’s research reveals something else entirely. Innate intelligence plays, at best, a 1 to 2 percent role in a child’s future success.
    Instead, financial success is correlated with conscientiousness: self-discipline, perseverance, and diligence.”

    https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/why-arent-more-highly-intelligent-people-rich-a-novel-prize-winning-economist-says-another-factor-matters-a-lot-more.html

  194. No One says:

    Pumpkin,
    Haven’t you received your school materials that declare ideals of self-discipline, perseverance and diligence to be the lies by which the white capitalist patriarchy oppress everyone else?
    Only bigger government can deliver financial success, according to modern intellectuals, as individual effort is an illusion in the face of America’s systemic injustice.
    The intellectuals pushing this narrative are murdering the souls of future generations, trying to squash the right to the pursuit of happiness.

  195. Phoenix says:

    “Only bigger government can deliver financial success, according to modern intellectuals,”

    True, when you are an employee of said government and the benefits it provides.

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