School are shrinking – why aren’t taxes dropping?

From RT40:

Mapping New Jersey’s Shrinking School Districts

More than half of New Jersey’s school districts have shrunk in the last six years, reflecting wider population moves toward urban areas as well as net migration from the state. School districts are shrinking at a rapid rate in the Northwest of the state, as well as in Southern shore communities such as Avalon, Margate and Ventnor.

The declining school populations in part reflect a wider trend of depopulation of the outer-ring suburbs that is playing out across New Jersey and the Northeastern United States, according to Professor James Hughes, a senior faculty fellow at the Edward J. Bloustein School of Planning and Public Policy at Rutgers. The suburbs, where millennials were born and grew up, provided economic opportunities for their parents but have little to offer today’s 20- and 30-year olds. There are fewer children today than six years ago in almost all of the districts in Hunterdon, Sussex and Warren counties, and those that grow up there don’t want to stay there.

Shrinking schools also reflect the fact that a generation of New Jerseyans is delaying starting a family. And millennials who are starting to have children still want to live close to where they work–the suburbs are no draw. “When they do start raising families it’s going to be in places that have a walkable downtown, a rail station, access to activities,” Hughes said. The map already shows that districts in the Hudson Valley and some towns around Philadelphia (Haddonfield, for example) have seen a pickup in enrollment.

Total enrollment across the state has been flat over the last few years at around 1.37 million students after dropping to 1.36 million in the immediate aftermath of the recession. The stagnant school enrollment casts doubt over the future economic health of New Jersey, since a young and growing population creates a workforce that draws investment and can help support older generations. If the trend continues, it will likely lead to pressure on some municipalities to consolidate school districts. Potential school mergers are being researched in Hunterdon and Warren counties and the issue has also been raised in some shore towns.

“That’s a real issue I think going forward,” said Hughes. “New Jersey always exports a large number of high school graduates – they go to school out of state. The question is, assuming the number of high school graduates stays the same and we’re expanding the system, are we going to be able to counter that out-of-state movement?”

Hughes noted that to date, high school graduate numbers are still rising in New Jersey. But he cautioned, “When the number of high school graduates starts to decline…which is conceivable, we could have overcapacity in higher education.”

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51 Responses to School are shrinking – why aren’t taxes dropping?

  1. Dentss dunnigan says:

    Taxes will never shrink …the politicians will sop up the excess …

  2. JJ fanboy says:

    Shrinkage

  3. 3b says:

    Well this article addresses a lot of things I have been talking about. Just saying.

  4. ex-Jersey says:

    #maga find your inner racist / fascist – stupid made up costume optional

  5. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Why aren’t taxes shrinking? They are allowed to grow the budget at 2% without a vote. Btw, this is the death sentence for any district that hasn’t seen a decrease in enrollment. You can’t have a 2% cap be feasible when Horizon bleeds the district for an extra 15% each year. For most towns, it’s not the local school district killing the taxpayer. It’s the nearby Abbot that gets to spend twice as much as them on their dime.

  6. Njescapee says:

    Nice to see that Jersey is still so affluent after a dozen years plus of tumult. My son just picked up a decent condo in south Florida for 75k. Taxes will be a little over 1k. According to Zillow the property value peaked at around 110k went down to 35 k in 2012 due to foreclosure. This purchase will lower his rental housing cost from around 1.2k per month to around 750 including association fees tax and insurance. That is a pretty nice Monthly savings for someone making a modest income.

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    China’s Dream Is Apple’s Nightmare – The Wall Street Journal
    https://apple.news/AbkYWSVi8RkSQueRKF5pzzQ

  8. Fabius Maximus says:

    Is this what true greatness looks like Gary?

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/13/politics/trump-silent-aides-charlottesville/index.html

    Small side note. Gun control and gun ownership are not mutually exclusive.

  9. chicagofinance says:

    Think 2020, not your chronic and weak tweaking…… you are failing more than you can imagine…….you play right into Trump’s hands…….

    Fabius Maximus says:
    August 13, 2017 at 7:44 pm
    Is this what true greatness looks like Gary?

  10. chicagofinance says:

    LIFE IDEAS ESSAY

    Why I Was Fired by Google

    James Damore says his good-faith effort to discuss differences between men and women in tech couldn’t be tolerated in the company’s ‘ideological echo chamber’

    By James Damore

    I was fired by Google this past Monday for a document that I wrote and circulated internally raising questions about cultural taboos and how they cloud our thinking about gender diversity at the company and in the wider tech sector. I suggested that at least some of the male-female disparity in tech could be attributed to biological differences (and, yes, I said that bias against women was a factor too). Google Chief Executive Sundar Pichai declared that portions of my statement violated the company’s code of conduct and “cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.”

    My 10-page document set out what I considered a reasoned, well-researched, good-faith argument, but as I wrote, the viewpoint I was putting forward is generally suppressed at Google because of the company’s “ideological echo chamber.” My firing neatly confirms that point. How did Google, the company that hires the smartest people in the world, become so ideologically driven and intolerant of scientific debate and reasoned argument?

    We all have moral preferences and beliefs about how the world is and should be. Having these views challenged can be painful, so we tend to avoid people with differing values and to associate with those who share our values. This self-segregation has become much more potent in recent decades. We are more mobile and can sort ourselves into different communities; we wait longer to find and choose just the right mate; and we spend much of our time in a digital world personalized to fit our views.

    Google is a particularly intense echo chamber because it is in the middle of Silicon Valley and is so life-encompassing as a place to work. With free food, internal meme boards and weekly companywide meetings, Google becomes a huge part of its employees’ lives. Some even live on campus. For many, including myself, working at Google is a major part of their identity, almost like a cult with its own leaders and saints, all believed to righteously uphold the sacred motto of “Don’t be evil.”

    Echo chambers maintain themselves by creating a shared spirit and keeping discussion confined within certain limits. As Noam Chomsky once observed, “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum.”

    But echo chambers also have to guard against dissent and opposition. Whether it’s in our homes, online or in our workplaces, a consensus is maintained by shaming people into conformity or excommunicating them if they persist in violating taboos. Public shaming serves not only to display the virtue of those doing the shaming but also warns others that the same punishment awaits them if they don’t conform.

    In my document, I committed heresy against the Google creed by stating that not all disparities between men and women that we see in the world are the result of discriminatory treatment. When I first circulated the document about a month ago to our diversity groups and individuals at Google, there was no outcry or charge of misogyny. I engaged in reasoned discussion with some of my peers on these issues, but mostly I was ignored.

    Everything changed when the document went viral within the company and the wider tech world. Those most zealously committed to the diversity creed—that all differences in outcome are due to differential treatment and all people are inherently the same—could not let this public offense go unpunished. They sent angry emails to Google’s human-resources department and everyone up my management chain, demanding censorship, retaliation and atonement.

    Upper management tried to placate this surge of outrage by shaming me and misrepresenting my document, but they couldn’t really do otherwise: The mob would have set upon anyone who openly agreed with me or even tolerated my views. When the whole episode finally became a giant media controversy, thanks to external leaks, Google had to solve the problem caused by my supposedly sexist, anti-diversity manifesto, and the whole company came under heated and sometimes threatening scrutiny.

    It saddens me to leave Google and to see the company silence open and honest discussion. If Google continues to ignore the very real issues raised by its diversity policies and corporate culture, it will be walking blind into the future—unable to meet the needs of its remarkable employees and sure to disappoint its billions of users.

    —Mr. Damore worked as a software engineer at Google’s Mountain View campus from 2013 until this past week.

    Appeared in the August 12, 2017, print edition as ‘Why I Was Fired By Google.’

  11. ex-Jersey says:

    Earlier this week, the Department of Labor released the latest Job Opening and Labor Turnover Summary (JOLTS) report, which tallies job openings, hires, and quits. In June, the number of open positions spiked to 6.2 million, up 461,000 from May. That’s slightly more than the entire population of Missouri. It’s a record, and it’s up 11 percent from June 2016.

    There are plenty of explanations for the seeming shortage of workers. Baby boomers are exiting the workforce. Many of the undocumented immigrants who fill low-paying service jobs have left the country or have been deported. The economy has been expanding for more than eight years, and the unemployment rate is 4.3 percent.

    Which means many of the people who can hold down jobs-or want to hold down jobs-already have them. In some areas, the need to pass drug tests is disqualifying individuals from the workforce. And in some instances, there just aren’t enough people with the relevant skills to fill the openings.
    But as readers of this column have heard me say before, one of the big-perhaps the biggest-problem in the labor market today is that employers aren’t willing to pay people enough to fill their open positions.

    And this is happening even as they must fill a record number of openings. Hiring today means you have to convince someone to leave their job, leave school, or get off the couch.

    And if the incentive isn’t sufficiently large, it is hard to find a new employee.

  12. D-FENS says:

    Too much administrative overhead…more proof the money does not get to the kids or the teachers in the classrooms.

    “School are shrinking – why aren’t taxes dropping?”

  13. D-FENS says:

    Stuff like this might explain why China backs N. Korea so fiercely…

    North Korea factories humming with ‘Made in China’ clothes, traders say

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-labour-china-insight-idUSKBN1AT00Q?il=0

    -snip-

    Textiles were North Korea’s second-biggest export after coal and other minerals in 2016, totaling $752 million, according to data from the Korea Trade-Investment Promotion Agency (KOTRA). Total exports from North Korea in 2016 rose 4.6 percent to $2.82 billion.

    The latest U.N. sanctions, agreed earlier this month, have completely banned coal exports now.

    Its flourishing textiles industry shows how impoverished North Korea has adapted, with a limited embrace of market reforms, to sanctions since 2006 when it first tested a nuclear device. The industry also shows the extent to which North Korea relies on China as an economic lifeline, even as U.S. President Donald Trump piles pressure on Beijing to do more to rein in its neighbor’s weapons programmes.

    Chinese exports to North Korea rose almost 30 percent to $1.67 billion in the first half of the year, largely driven by textile materials and other traditional labour-intensive goods not included on the United Nations embargo list, Chinese customs spokesman Huang Songping told reporters.

    Chinese suppliers send fabrics and other raw materials required for manufacturing clothing to North Korean factories across the border where garments are assembled and exported.

    FACTORIES HUMMING

    Australian sportswear brand Rip Curl publicly apologized last year when it was discovered that some of its ski gear, labeled “Made in China”, had been made in one of North Korea’s garment factories. Rip Curl blamed a rogue supplier for outsourcing to “an unauthorized subcontractor”.

    But traders and agents in Dandong say it’s a widespread practice.

    Manufacturers can save up to 75 percent by making their clothes in North Korea, said a Chinese trader who has lived in Pyongyang.

    Some of the North Korean factories are located in Siniuju city just across the border from Dandong. Other factories are located outside Pyongyang. Finished clothing is often directly shipped from North Korea to Chinese ports before being sent onto the rest of the world, the Chinese traders and businesses said.

    North Korea has about 15 large garment exporting enterprises, each operating several factories spread around the country, and dozens of medium sized companies, according to GPI Consultancy of the Netherlands, which helps foreign companies do business in North Korea.

    File photo: North Korean workers make soccer shoes inside a temporary factory at a rural village on the edge of Dandong October 24, 2012.
    Aly Song
    All factories in North Korea are state-owned. And the textile ones appear to be humming, traders and agents say.

    “We’ve been trying to get some of our clothes made in North Korea but the factories are fully booked at the moment,” said a Korean-Chinese businesswoman at a factory in Dalian, a Chinese port city two hours away from Dandong by train.

    “North Korean workers can produce 30 percent more clothes each day than a Chinese worker,” said the Korean-Chinese businessman.

    “In North Korea, factory workers can’t just go to the toilet whenever they feel like, otherwise they think it slows down the whole assembly line.”

    “They aren’t like Chinese factory workers who just work for the money. North Koreans have a different attitude — they believe they are working for their country, for their leader.”

    And they are paid wages significantly below many other Asian countries. North Korean workers at the now shuttered Kaesong industrial zone just across the border from South Korea received wages ranging from a minimum of around $75 a month to an average of around $160, compared to average factory wages of $450-$750 a month in China. Kaesong was run jointly with South Korea and the wage structure – much higher than in the rest of North Korea – was negotiated with Seoul.

    -snip-

  14. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    I think there is quite a bit of passive hiring. Lots of jobs but no real push to hire anyone quickly. They set salary low, expectations high and wait it out. They simply absorb the additional work within team or move work dates out. I just had a phone interview with Ray Dalio’s foundation. Bridgewater is about toughest and most selective hiring process around so no doubt his charitable wing would be equally tough. They wanted a skilled project manager, 10 years experience and multi problem solver to deal with several wings of charity. Base salary $125k max…what? This guy is a multi-billionaire.

  15. JCer says:

    Bystander, sound like the expect the employee to be charitable…. That is not remotely in line with the ask.

  16. D-FENS says:

    Ghost Voters:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450413/election-fraud-registered-voters-outnumber-eligible-voters-462-counties

    At least 3.5 million more people are on U.S. election rolls than are eligible to vote.

    Some 3.5 million more people are registered to vote in the U.S. than are alive among America’s adult citizens. Such staggering inaccuracy is an engraved invitation to voter fraud. The Election Integrity Project of Judicial Watch — a Washington-based legal-watchdog group — analyzed data from the U.S. Census Bureau’s 2011–2015 American Community Survey and last month’s statistics from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The latter included figures provided by 38 states. According to Judicial Watch, eleven states gave the EAC insufficient or questionable information. Pennsylvania’s legitimate numbers place it just below the over-registration threshold. My tabulation of Judicial Watch’s state-by-state results yielded 462 counties where the registration rate exceeded 100 percent. There were 3,551,760 more people registered to vote than adult U.S. citizens who inhabit these counties. “That’s enough over-registered voters to populate a ghost-state about the size of Connecticut,” Judicial Watch attorney Robert Popper told me.

  17. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    “Small side note. Gun control and gun ownership are not mutually exclusive.”

    Sorry but actions speak louder than words, and for that matter, the words speak for themselves. The goal of leftist gun control is to discourage ownership through outright barriers or onerous restrictions designed to make ownership prohibitively difficult. They know that they cannot end “ownership” but just as you can make a piece of property undesirable through zoning and regulation, you can do the same with guns. The left has been quite open about this.

    So in theory, you are correct, however, as usual, your prevarication must be pointed out. Not that there are many people here who can’t see through that (putting aside the willfully blind, like Moana).

  18. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    Back to Defcon 1? Appears the Korean War Two (electric bugaloo) was averted. Phew. After reading the Washington Post on Friday, I figured our beach house would have been annihilated by now.

  19. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    Steam,

    This is nothing; the left is losing its shiite due to TDS, not the bush league Kabuki theater going on at the 38th parallel. Things there have been much tenser in the past.

    TDS is definitely real. A hardcore leftist Jewish friend was terrified that brownsh1rts were going to round up the jews after Trump was elected. I asked her if she was serious and she said she was.

  20. Comrade Nom Deplorable, surfacing for air says:

    Ha!

    “The New England Patriots have set many aerial milestones with Tom Brady running their passing game. They earned another by becoming the first NFL team to purchase their own airplane for team travel.

    They only figuratively own the New York Jets, but the defending champions now own two wide-body jets. According to ESPN.com’s Darren Rovell, the Patriots bought a pair of 767 Boeing aircrafts. . . .”

    Also called Airkrafts (yeah, I know about the plural thing but work with me here).

  21. 30 year realtor says:

    Comrade Deplorable…maybe Nazi marches make people nervous? Maybe all the white supremacists at Trump rallies had an impact? Maybe hateful antisemitic chants at Trump rallies gave them that impression? It appears clear that the white supremacist crowd thinks Trump embraces their agenda. Chants, signs and speeches made this crystal clear in Charlottesville. If they feel that way and Jews feel that way maybe there is something to it?

    Pull your head out of your a$$! Those that glorify or tolerate Nazis and their kind make this Jew and many others concerned. If you had an ounce of sense you would understand. Instead you appear to be marginalizing the concerns of those who’s families were impacted by the Holocaust.

    Was Trump’s statement on Saturday ok with you? Do you think excusing hate groups is ok? Do you equate the Clan to be on a par with BLM? Expose yourself for what you are! Do you have common sense and understand the fears of those who have been wronged? Or are you just another poorly veiled racist?

  22. Phoenix says:

    “This entire country is completely full of s***, and always has been. From the Declaration of Independence to the Constitution to the Star-Spangled Banner, it’s still nothing more than one big steaming pile of red, white and blue, all-American bull ****. Because, think of how we started. Think of that. This country was founded by a group of slave-owners who told us all men are created equal. Oh yeah, all men, except for Indians and n and women, right? I always like to use that authentic American language. This was a small group of unelected, white, male, land-holding, slave-owners who also suggested their class be the only one allowed to vote. Now, that is what’s known as being stunningly and embarrassingly full of s***” George Carlin

  23. joyce says:

    30 year,
    Do nazi’s have the right to assemble peaceably ?

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    Do you think excusing hate groups is ok?

    Only if they shoot cops, Republicans Senators at softball practice, throw water bottles full of concrete, smash windows, loot and burn Mom and Pop shops, assault those with opposing views and smash military statues referencing anything to do with the South.

  25. Phoenix says:

    Affluence is more divisive than race or religion…

  26. leftwing says:

    The worst on the left are as bad as the worst on the right.

    Doesn’t excuse either.

    There isn’t a political spectrum (linear), but a political ring (circular). On arc encompasses the middle, the arc exactly opposite the extremists. You can get to that opposite point by traveling either left or right around the ring…….

  27. Juice Box says:

    One thing is for sure Godwin’s Law is in full effect today.

  28. Phoenix says:

    Ok, so corporations want to utilize cheap labor and pollute land in foreign countries, then are surprised/upset that the people from those countries steal their ideas?

    “But privately, many American business leaders express frustration with a Chinese system that coerces them into transferring valuable U.S. intellectual property to Chinese companies or allows it to be stolen outright.”

  29. leftwing says:

    Need a good major plague to rebalance.

    Been way too long since there a good pruning. Talking Black Death proportions, 30-50% of population.

  30. leftwing says:

    HIV had potential. Damn large cap pharma companies…….

  31. 3b says:

    Phoenix was there any other country that was not BS? Look at the Europeans and their countless wars? The middle eastern countries? Except for one they are all falling apart and forget about human rights and women’s rights etc. Asia? No? Africa? No. So what country is better?

  32. ex-Jersey says:

    When you start wearing cobbled together uniforms reminiscent of defeated foes perhaps all you need is the wet end of a firehouse.

  33. D-FENS says:

    Both sides showed up with homemade shields, helmets, bats, pepper spray, etc. somebody gave the order to sit back and let them beat the snot out of each other.

  34. Stuck in Jerzy says:

    Now all of you can see the wisdom of a Hudson County politician like Frank Hague.

    You got to take care of people. You got to make sure government is there and have a big heart, even if bureaucratic and inefficient.

    That feeling that someone has your back is the cement that can filled the holes of social inequality/racism/etc. It’s not 100% effective, but effective enough to maintain and make a society grow.

    The ideological morons boomers with their Ayn Rand bs have managed to dry out the societal cement. Now you are seeing the effects of brick and stone without cement.

    Trump is a money laundering tax evader, it will come out eventually. Putin knows this and that makes Trump a true Manchurian President. THe one lucky thing the country has with Trump is that he does not have truly loyal people like the Clintons, so he can’t do real structural damage like the Clinton’s could.

    Whoever mention a cleansing is somewhat right. Is the boomers that need to be cleansed out the system. This is not a left/right issue but a generational issue.

  35. D-FENS says:

    ‘Largest prosecution in nation’s history of individuals connected to violent white supremacist gangs’
    August 14, 20170107

    Last of 89 members/associates of Aryan Brotherhood of Texas and Aryan Circle sentenced to 20 years in federal prison; represents the largest case prosecuted in US focusing on white supremacist prison gang members
    Investigation targeted white supremacists with long and violent criminal histories who were selling illegal drugs in North Texas communities
    DALLAS — Prosecutors in the Northern District of Texas have wrapped up what is believed to be the largest prosecution in the nation’s history of individuals connected to violent white supremacist gangs.

    The 89th and last defendant to be sentenced in this case, Jeramy Weatherall, 29, of Dallas, Texas, was sentenced Thursday by U.S. District Judge Jane J. Boyle to 20 years in federal prison, following his guilty plea in March 2017 to one count of possession of methamphetamine with the intent to distribute.

    Out of 91 defendants charged, 89 were convicted, one remains a fugitive and is believed to be in Mexico, and one died before trial began. Those convicted received a combined total of 1,070+ years in federal prison. Casey Rose, 36, of Mesquite, Texas, was sentenced to life in federal prison, following his conviction at trial in September 2015 on conspiracy, drug trafficking and firearm charges.

    “The Aryan Brotherhood of Texas and the Aryan Circle have essentially been decimated in North Texas,” said U.S. Attorney Parker. “The outstanding collaborative work of the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Dallas Police Department helped ensure that each of the 89 defendants who were arrested have now been convicted and sentenced.”

    “Strong law enforcement partnerships and the hard work of all those involved led to a successful investigation and the resulting prosecutions,” said Department of Public Safety Region 1 Commander Jack Webster. “We continue to work with our law enforcement partners to proactively protect the citizens of Texas in an ever-changing threat environment.”

    “The Dallas Police Department is proud to have participated in this investigation that resulted in 89 convictions of dangerous gang members who terrorized communities with their criminal activity,” said Interim Dallas Police Chief David Pughes. “It is a great example of the success of local and Federal Law Enforcement working together with the United States Attorney to ensure that the worst career criminals are brought to justice.”

    The defendants were members of the Aryan Brotherhood of Texas (ABT), the Aryan Circle, the “Irish Mob,” the “Dirty White Boys,” the “White Knights,” and the “Peckerwood” – all of which are violent white supremacist gangs. Each of these gangs is an organized crime group, but in recent years, the white supremacy ideology of each of these groups has taken a backseat to traditional criminal ventures, such as drug-dealing. The defendants in this case included several high-ranking members of these organizations.

    Particularly noteworthy is that collectively, the defendants were held accountable for 956 kilograms (about 2,108 pounds) of methamphetamine, with a conservative street value of just under $10 million, as well as possessing and using 88 firearms and dangerous weapons.

    Combined, the 89 defendants had been previously convicted of 736 crimes. Of the 736 previous convictions, 234 were drug-related offenses; 76 were violent offenses; 36 were gun offenses; 37 were burglaries; seven were sex or child abuse offenses; and one was a murder conviction. Fifteen of the defendants were deemed “career offenders” under the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines. Some defendants had as many as 25 prior convictions. And only six of the 89 had no prior convictions.

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  36. Phoenix says:

    3b,
    I never said I had an answer or that any country is better.
    It just amazes me how Carlin nails it in so many topics.

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Carlin

  37. ex-Jersey says:

    7:58 — hilarious — but probably not the ‘right move’ ….. f*ck UVA….take that off of the list of any potential school….ever.

  38. ex-Jersey says:

    More a clairvoyant than a comedian. Carlin was a great social scientist who happened to find himself on stage.

  39. Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:

    There have always been gatherings of white supremacists. The left never paid much attention to them. Until Trump was elected. Why?

  40. Phoenix says:

    exJersey
    Agree. Airport security was an interesting one. Before 9/11…

    “And if you didn’t take a weapon on board, *relax*. After you’ve been flying for about an hour, they’re going to *bring* you a knife and fork! They actually *give* you a f****ing knife! It’s only a table knife, but you could kill a pilot with a table knife. It might take you a couple minutes, you know, specially if he’s hefty, huh? Yeah, but you can get the job done if you really wanted to kill the prick.” George Carlin

  41. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    City managers and their minions; more specifically, their salaries.

    School are shrinking – why aren’t taxes dropping?

  42. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Imagine living in Glen and earning $300k per year…and you never have to step on either of the train lines in Glen Rock that bring all of your peers to Manhattan. Smells like victory to me.

  43. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Glen Rock

  44. Juice Bo says:

    Ideologues Destroying History (Meme)

    https://imgur.com/a/CeRpD#DgtN0bf

  45. 30 year realtor says:

    Joyce, yes.

  46. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie, I made a very specific comment to Deplume. What I commented in response to has been deleted so the thread as it currently exists leaves Mr comment without context.

    I do not support hate or police violence.

  47. 30 year realtor says:

    That should read political violence

  48. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    Don’t know what’s more ridiculous, Gary defending nazis or Stu labeling himself upperclass

    lol

  49. leftwing says:

    Juice, they should include the German book burnings of the 30s as well with the ideologues destroying history memes.

    The Left just doesn’t get it. These events inflame and embolden the Right further. Every news clip, every Colbert monologue. People getting fired because they attended Charleston. All making the country redder by the day…

    It’s amazing law enforcement stood down in Durham and let a 100 year old statue be torn down by an angry mob. Yet another new rallying cry.

    Seems the Left has not learned what parents inform their young children…the class cut up exists for attention, and ignoring him undercuts him the most.

    Do you think there would have been any headlines whatsoever had the 1,000 extremists that descended on Charleston were met with a collective yawn?

  50. JCer says:

    left wing…exactly. My argument is if you re-examine history, the rise of facism comes as a response to far leftists. The vast majority of the population is neither right nor left but if leftist ideology is forced on the population they respond in kind by pushing further right. Why even bother giving the wingnuts attention, let them assemble as is their right, but keep them in line with the police, the counter protest does nothing but create a riot. A counter protest in a different city makes more sense, this was stupidity on all sides. The idea that Trump is in league with anti-semites is preposterous as his grandchildren are Jewish as are a good number of his advisers and he steadfastly supports Israel.

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