From the Jersey Journal:
Jersey City says new plan would crack down on code violators; real-estate agents aghast
City officials are looking to embark on an aggressive new plan to ensure homes are compliant with local zoning rules.
But the measure, up for initial approval at tomorrow night’s Planning Board meeting, would be a “disaster” if implemented, according to critics who say it would bring the city’s real-estate market to a standstill.
The plan would require most property owners to obtain a zoning certificate of compliance before they can sell their properties, obtain building or demolition permits or perform any kind of site improvements. The certificate would be issued by a zoning officer who certifies that the property complies with city zoning codes.
Ward B City Councilman Khemraj “Chico” Ramchal is pushing for the measure, saying it would help the city to locate illegal apartments and other code violations, as well as offer consumer protection for home buyers.
Ramchal told The Jersey Journal the plan would halt what he says is a widespread practice of home owners duping buyers into purchasing homes without telling them about code violations like illegal parking spots or rental units.
“If John is selling a house to Tom, John must not misrepresent himself or what he’s selling to Tom,” he said.
Each certificate would cost $150. City spokeswoman Jennifer Morrill declined to answer when asked how much revenue the city believes would be generated. Ramchal estimates the added revenue would exceed $250,000 annually.
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Real-estate agents are hoping to halt approval of the measure, saying it would create an unacceptable “lag” during a house sale.“It would reduce the number of sales in Jersey City by maybe 25, 30 percent,” said Hottendorf said.
Both Hottendorf and Laura Skolar, Liberty Board’s president, also doubt that the city’s outdated record-keeping will help. A certificate of compliance may not be issued quickly enough to prevent a mortgage commitment from expiring, they said.
“Using the sale of a property to trigger this sort of thing creates problems,” Skolar said.
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Mayor Steve Fulop is a supporter of the measure. Asked to comment, Morrill said “there is no reason that someone should make money by breaking the law.”“Chico has been a strong voice against illegal apartments that can put a tremendous drain on residents of the city,” she said. “His proposal is consistent with what is done in other cities.”
Certified POS?
First!
I’m actually surprised this doesn’t happen already, which makes me think that this is a money/power grab, or a way to create patronage positions. If this is specifically zoning, I’m not sure what point is. The sale transaction probably doesn’t contain enough information to determine the impact of use, or change of use.
Across NJ, most CO/CCO inspectors are already checking for unpaid taxes, open permits, properties that don’t match the tax card, work done without permits, illegal apartments, etc. So not sure what the JC inspectors are doing, driving around eating donuts?. Besides, zoning has the ability to do spot inspections, why tie this to a sale?
An additional $150 charge on top of the CO/CCO charge? This seems outrageous. Does JC have no CO/CCO process?
Clearly they have a rigorous and well established fire inspection process…
I don’t know that I would call this bribery, this seems more like a consultative business arrangement. Who wants to die in a fire when screwing a hooker? Keep JC safe is what I say.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/jersey-city-fire-inspector-admits-taking-bribes-1.1132921
Phillip Procaccino has admitted accepting bribes to help houses of prostitution stay in business.
The 56-year-old Belleville resident admitted accepting $2,500 to help a massage parlor that operated as a prostitution business to obtain a certificate of occupancy. Prosecutors say Procaccino also agreed to take 10 percent of another prostitution business’ profits for the certificate of occupancy.
[3] grim
Who says NJ isn’t the Land of Opportunity?
Phil’s kids gotta eat too.
I have sometimes wondered whether the Democratic initiative to create more single earner households is intentional or accidental. The jury is still out on that question. And I have said before that this president’s economic agenda doesn’t succeed without protectionism, at least with respect to emerging nations (we can count on Europe to cooperate).
But I wonder if anyone in this administration would own up to the fact that the various and sundry economic proposals that are being pushed by Democrats would have the unintended consequence of screwing younger women? I can easily foresee a scenario where minimum wage hikes, paid family leave, and other laws that currently in place or are planned to benefit younger women actually wind up just placing them in the workplace.
The way I see it, the confluence of these initiatives would mean that older women, who are not of childbearing age, but also not nearing retirement, will prove to be desirable to employers. Much the same way that educated minorities are in demand with larger employers now. With an older women you get a trifecta: you avoid the costs of women who will go out on maternity leave and have other family leave issues, you check the box for hiring women, and you check the box for hiring older workers. Hire a middle-aged black woman and you get to check a fourth box.
I know that JJ sees additional benefits but we will leave those out of this thread for the moment.
Placing s/b displacing. Need coffee and better voice software
Heck, I live in a little known town in NW NJ and we our township has little ford trucks that drive around labeled “code enforcement”. I’m no expert in this subject but reading your lead article today….I couldn’t understand why this was so revolutionary or why this is even news…
grim says:
January 20, 2015 at 7:12 am
I’m actually surprised this doesn’t happen already, which makes me think that this is a money/power grab, or a way to create patronage positions. If this is specifically zoning, I’m not sure what point is. The sale transaction probably doesn’t contain enough information to determine the impact of use, or change of use.
Light reading for Fabuius “there are no such thing as defensive shootings” Maximus.
Apparently, the homeowner in Cape May County who shot an intruder recently, is confined to a wheelchair and uses a firearm to defend his home. Without a firearm, it is reasonable to believe that he would have easily been overcome by the intruder.
http://www.capemaycountyherald.com/article/crime/cold+spring/105120-lower+township+home+invasion+results+death+intruder
COLD SPRING – Cape May County Prosecutor Robert L. Taylor and Lower Township Police Chief William Mastriana would like to provide updated information about the shooting death that was reported yesterday, Jan. 18.
As a result of an autopsy examination conducted earlier today, Jan. 19, by the State Medical Examiner’s Office, it has been determined that the decedent, James Weaver Jr., 21, of Cold Spring, died as a result of a single gunshot wound to the head. The final report is pending toxicology results.
Although the investigation is still ongoing, both the Prosecutor and Chief would like to release additional information about the investigation.
On Jan. 18 at approximately 2:25 a.m., the Lower Township Police were called to the area of 900 Route 109 in the Cold Spring section of Lower Township to take a report for property damage to a motor vehicle. The driver and passenger of the vehicle explained to the officers that their friend, James Weaver Jr., became enraged and broke two rear windows of the vehicle while being driven home. The driver stopped the vehicle and asked Weaver to exit. Upon doing so, Weaver damaged the front windshield and walked away. The officers instructed the driver to proceed to the police department to sign complaints and the police searched the area, but were unable to locate the accused.
At approximately 3:15 a.m., the Lower Township Police received a call from a resident in the 700 block of Route 109, saying that they were awakened by the sound of someone attempting to gain entry into the residence. While the wife was on the phone with police, the husband, who has limited mobility, got into his wheelchair and armed himself with a handgun. Weaver ultimately smashed the glass door in an attempt to force his way into the residence. The homeowner warned Weaver not to enter and that he was armed with a gun. Weaver continued to make entry into the residence at which time the homeowner shot Weaver one time.
According to a previous release, Weaver was transported to AtlantiCare Regional Medical Center where he succumbed to his injuries. The homeowner was transported to Cape Regional Medical Center where he was treated and released.
The investigation is ongoing and there is still no mention of criminal charges at this time.
Move along, nothing to see here…
Germany to Offer No Return on Its Five-Year Bonds
http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-to-offer-no-return-on-its-five-year-bonds-1421758899
You have to be idiot if the source of your talking points is faux news. Sadly some people need to be told what to say.
Fox News Retracts Allegations of “No-go zones” for Non Muslims in England and France
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/19/fox-news-retracts-allegation-of-no-go-zones-for-non-muslims/
For the potential buyers out there, Lending Tree has translated some real estate buzzwords for you.
http://www.housingwire.com/media/video/69
re # 10- Yeah QE coming for 19 different countries, that is a tough one to sort out.
Giving 500 billion Euros to the EU banks right now in a cash for trash program will make banks feel better that is for sure, they will at least get their Bonuses. It is bonus season right? Everyone else? Not so much.
Zoning police in JC is a bad idea, it will turn into another corrupt organization that extracts bribes from those who can’t afford it. I’ve seen what their building inspectors sign off on and also how it works, if you’ve paid the right people you get your approvals really quick no matter what the work looks like. I live in a newer construction building and have had multiple plumbing failures in the apartment above mine. When they took down the wall what I saw would not pass a real plumbing inspection, in many places pipes and fittings were unsupported, some hammer in the pipe and now your pipes are separated and dumping water into the apartment. They’ll gain 250k in fees and somehow the organization will cost 1m to run.
Nom [6];
I can easily foresee a scenario where minimum wage hikes, paid family leave, and other laws that currently in place or are planned to benefit younger women actually wind up just [dis]placing them in the workplace.
Agree 100%, Nom. Leftists are all about “choice”, particularly women’s choice, unless they choose to stay at home and raise their children. Just look to Obama’s latest proposal to increase the child tax credit (And isn’t it cute how they all call it a “tax cut”?) to $3,000 per child. No benefit at all to the family with a stay-at home parent; no benefit to anyone earning more than subsistence wages — i.e., perfectly targeted at the archetype Democrat voter.
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[11] fka
I don’t know about England, but I have been aware of areas in the Paris suburbs that were heavily muslim and essentially free of governmental law enforcement. This had been the case for years.
There wasn’t (to my knowledge) formal policy so it doesn’t mean that sharia replaced governmental law, not lawfully anyway. So an assertion that the area or areas are autonomous is incorrect, but they were places where government rarely, if ever, trod.
You could argue that this comes down to semantics but I’m not up for making that argument. No dog in that fight.
18 – What Government would ever admit that the don’t have control of part of the area they supposedly preside over?
As far as I can tell, this course is free and without restriction….I could be wrong…..
http://www.coursera.org/course/assetpricing
[15] moose,
EEOC already considers younger, fertile, women and mothers to be protected classes within the protected class of women. But the case law there is largely involving women who were already employed.
When it comes to hiring, older women may be given an advantage if the potential cost for a younger woman is now higher. Since both are protected classes on the same level, and potentially on two levels, you have a proof problem: How to prove discrimination when the employer can simply say “What? I hired a woman. Where’s the discrimination?” And if you hire one over 45, you play that off the younger woman–there is no Younger Worker’s antidiscrimination law.
At some point, if the office is all men and older women, you may have a disparate impact argument, but it would take a while for that to develop and you can always find a business justification: experience.
Remember Baghdad Bob? Who swore Saddam was in complete control of the Iraq war and that the Americans were retreating as daisy cutters exploded all around him?
[18] Comrade Nom Deplume
That’s the problem with generalizations, there is only an ounce of truth. I have no dog in the fight either but thought it was funny.
Bizarro world…extreme right wingers passionate about legislating and controlling women’s bodies, now discuss protecting them from Democrats?
I love the cheap gas at the pumps but wow, this isn’t good for TX.
“Money Dries Up For Oil And Gas, Layoffs Spread, Write-Offs Start
“Layoffs are cascading through the oil and gas sector. On Tuesday, the Dallas Fed projected that in Texas alone, 140,000 jobs could be eliminated. Halliburton (NYSE:HAL) said that it was axing an undisclosed number of people in Houston. Suncor Energy (NYSE:SU), Canada’s largest oil producer, will dump 1,000 workers in its tar-sands projects. Helmerich & Payne (NYSE:HP) is idling rigs and cutting jobs. Smaller companies are slashing projects and jobs at an even faster pace. And now Schlumberger (NYSE:SLB), the world’s biggest oilfield-services company, will cut 9,000 jobs.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2828756-money-dries-up-for-oil-and-gas-layoffs-spread-write-offs-start?google_editors_picks=true
[24] Presumably you are in favor of the laws that control my body insomuch as they prevent me from using my hands to strangle you.
25 – So you see, the Saudi’s are actually cutting production. Just not their own.
Read some of your hero, Margaret Sanger…founder of Planned Parenthood’s vile racist quotes. Then get back to us.
http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm
I’ll anxiously await your reply.
Not.
anon (the good one) says:
January 20, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Bizarro world…extreme right wingers passionate about legislating and controlling women’s bodies, now discuss protecting them from Democrats?
In today’s episode of the privileged….
The son of Wall Street titan Mario Gabelli caused a scene at hot new restaurant Hunt & Fish Club, bellowing “Do you know who my father is?” as Fox Business’ Charlie Gasparino tried to calm him down.
Michael Gabelli was thrown out of the Midtown steakhouse after he started yelling when the bill arrived.
A witness said, “He forcefully argued with the servers and managers. Gasparino tried to help. Charlie kept saying things like, ‘You’re embarrassing your father.’”
After Gabelli calmed down, he tried to get a drink, but when the bartender refused to serve him, he flipped out. So he was thrown out, but not before dropping, “Don’t you know who my father is?…He runs this city.”
Gabelli reps didn’t return calls.
That’s what I said all along Toxic. When oil futures started crashing and OPEC didn’t choose to cut production (which they always claim they’ll do, but then continue pumping like crazy), I knew it was about killing the frackers. The fact we don’t allow pipelines just adds to their cause.
Agree!!!
Libturd in Union says:
January 20, 2015 at 1:17 pm
That’s what I said all along Toxic. When oil futures started crashing and OPEC didn’t choose to cut production (which they always claim they’ll do, but then continue pumping like crazy), I knew it was about killing the frackers. The fact we don’t allow pipelines just adds to their cause.
The big boys will be able to whether this oil storm but the mid to small size firms will probably get bought out. This probably puts the Keystone pipeline on the ropes.
How long can the middle east hold down the prices? Not for too long. Maybe, two years max. They are suckers. We have forced their hand into selling cheap oil, this is the beginning of the end of their run. They just haven’t realized it yet.
U.S. Economy
More Young Adults Stay Put in Biggest Cities
Lack of Jobs Elsewhere, Tough Mortgage Standards Play a Role
By Neil Shah
Amira Nader graduated from Columbia University in 2010 with a master’s degree in acting and nearly $190,000 in debt. She now works for a public radio station in New York City and waits tables on the side.
Ms. Nader, 31 years old, who moved to New York nine years ago from Florida, dreams of owning a home in New Orleans. But like tens of thousands of other young Americans, she is finding it hard to move away.
“I’m scared,” she said. “There aren’t jobs like this in New Orleans. If there are, they’re already taken.”
For decades, young people flocked to the U.S.’s three biggest metro areas—New York, Los Angeles and Chicago—to build careers before taking their talent and spending power elsewhere to raise families. That pattern now appears to be fading as more young workers stay put.
From 2004 to 2007, before the recession, an average of about 50,000 adults aged 25 to 34 left both the New York and Los Angeles metro areas annually, after accounting for new arrivals, according to an analysis of census data by the Brookings Institution and The Wall Street Journal.
The recession diminished this flow. Fewer than 23,000 young adults left New York annually between 2010 and 2013. Only about 12,000 left Los Angeles—a drop of nearly 80% from before the recession. Chicago’s departures dropped about 60%.
Young adults who moved to the three cities for school, internships or early jobs—or simply because it seemed cool—may now be stuck, said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution.
A confluence of factors is behind the decline. Many young workers who began their careers during the recession are struggling to find their footing. Some are delaying marriage and children. Mortgages are hard to get for those without pristine credit.
Increased financial insecurity also may play a role, especially for young people shouldering big student debts. Median earnings for full-time U.S. workers aged 18 to 34 have fallen nearly 10% since 2000, after adjusting for inflation, to below 1980s levels.
In tough times, finding well-paying jobs may be easier in big cities, offsetting their relatively high costs of living.
The trend has important implications for the economy if it goes unabated. Roughly 1 in 7 young adults lives in America’s three biggest metropolises, which have outsize populations compared with most U.S. cities and together exceed the seven next-biggest metro areas.
If younger people move less, some could get stuck in jobs that aren’t good matches for them, reducing the economy’s productivity. That could make the labor force less flexible and less able to compete internationally in an era of rapid technological change and globalization.
Migration also helps distribute human capital and economic demand more widely, demographers contend, allowing states with weaker economies to benefit from those with stronger ones.
The mobility of young workers “has been a tremendous asset to the American economy,” said Kenneth Johnson, a demographer at the University of New Hampshire. His own state has benefited for decades from skilled, relatively affluent transplants from the Boston metro area.
Matthew Bagley, 32, has stayed in Los Angeles a lot longer than he thought he would. The former Pennsylvanian has a lucrative job at a small company that supplies copper parts and lives with roommates in Manhattan Beach, Calif. Work and playing “touch rugby” are his priorities, not marriage and children; his own parents wed at age 21, and he isn’t rushing to follow in their footsteps. Having a “family is something that always comes when it has to come,” he said.
Some Americans are actively choosing big-city life. The urban cores of metropolitan areas are growing slightly faster in percentage terms than their suburbs, though many more Americans still move to the suburbs from cities than the other way around.
“I’m not going somewhere that is just strip mall after strip mall,” said Matt Swanson, 38, a school counselor who has lived in Chicago for more than a decade, after growing up outside the city. “I’ve been fighting living in the suburbs for a long time.”
To be sure, as jobs and wages increase nationwide and lending standards ease, the sluggish recovery from the 2007-09 recession finally may relax its grip on young people’s movements.
Estimates of U.S. state populations released last month by the Census Bureau showed an influx of people into Florida, Arizona and Nevada between July 2013 and July 2014.
Earlier data also have hinted that Americans are starting to move more—but, for the most part, it is middle-aged and older people packing again, not 20-somethings.
In New York, Ms. Nader is juggling her dreams and debt, which “looms over my head every day, especially when I think about a home, or children, or sending those imaginary children to college.”
To save for a move, Ms. Nader has been working 60 hours a week, including 35 hours answering phones at WNYC. She pays about $1,025 a month rent for a Brooklyn apartment she shares with two roommates. On Sundays, she hosts a classic-country radio show at Columbia where she plays songs by Hank Williams and Dolly Parton.
If she works at a nonprofit like WNYC for eight or nine more years, most of her student debt will be forgiven by the government under an Education Department program that promises to forgive debt after a set period—10 years for those in nonprofit and government jobs, and 20 years for those in the private sector.
But the strictures of the program limit her options. There are nonprofits in New Orleans, but she doesn’t feel secure about risking a move from New York. Still, she says, New York is “crowded, expensive. Everything cool is closing.” She adds, “I want a house, I want a dog, I want a room for all my records.…I don’t want to be an old lady here.”
11, Fox News retracts a story and thus this confirms that those that use talking points from Fox are idiots. I guess it’s fortunate the Left get their talking points from the NY Times where they never get a story wrong.
[34] Chicagofinance
Hmmmmm acting degree and $190k in debt? The story could have stopped right there.
Amira Nader graduated from Columbia University in 2010 with a master’s degree in acting and nearly $190,000 in debt.
The fact Keystone became hijacked as a partisan issue speaks volumes on the lack of intelligence of the masses. Same thing with the new core curriculum in the schools. I’m super glad there’s a mass liberal opt-out movement going on. Gator Jr., will have that much less competition to get into the highest track. Like standardized tests are hurting kids. Just wait until they have to send out a resume. And these same dumb ass progressives are fighting to maintain teaching cursive. What a gargantuan time waste that is. I don’t even use pens any more.
“this is the beginning of the end of their run. ”
Not when the left creates such tough environmental standards against fracking that we’ll be back to relying on the Saudi’s again. The Saudi’s are very smart. Just ask the Bushes.
[24] anon
Who said anything about protecting them? I’m looking to game the system, not reform it, remember?
[37] Libturd
Make sure Gator Jr gets into the highest track and takes AP courses. Not sure how other schools view them but I have a friend who child took AP classes in HS that were accepted at John Hopkins. This essentially equated to a semester of Freshmen year classes and met graduation requirements in December. She said since I’m saving you $30k for this last semester, can you give me $5k so I can travel around Europe this Spring? She is planning her trip now.
[39] Comrade
LOL. The masses argue issues in terms of Left or Right while the politicians look to game the system.
Sort of like Bulls make money, Bears make money, but pigs (the masses) get slaughtered.
Another banker death, soon to be ruled a suicide or accidental death.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102345785
[35] thomas
“I guess it’s fortunate the Left get their talking points from the NY Times where they never get a story wrong.”
Geez, just google the NYT and plagiarism/Reporter Fired/mistake/correction and you will get an eyeful. I remember one Media Matters piece though in which they took a NYT mea culpa and turned it into an attack on Fox. Hysterical
(43) Comrade,
Exactly!
Libturd,
Sorry, but in the future, admission to good schools and jobs will be granted according to EQ (emotional quotient) scores. Which basically means willingness to spout politically correct, collectivist-altruist platitudes, empathize with all 128 major classes of victimized people while knowing and reciting the list of one’s privileges, all without engaging in the “microaggression” associated with the use of cold reason and unpleasant facts. Hugs and tears are the new gold standard in our modern age of inclusionary specialness.
So no brunch?
Al Real Estate is local.
Here is some cheap entertainment.
A house for $1 million: Vancouver vs. 25 other cities
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/01/house-1-million-vancouver-vs-25-cities/
[45] Ragnar
Post of the day!
I’d say it gets a gold star, but …
If I went back to skool now, I’d specialize in microaggression and triggering statements and writing.
Then, I’d pull out my gat and bust a cap on everybody.
Goddam title of last Sunday’s episode of Girls was “Triggering”.
45
Don’t forget legacies. And the bootstrappy.
50
Yeah, but I’d still minor in distribution.
Kung Fu is still cool
Yes, indeed. If the houses are cheap, it means nobody wants to live there. It’s as simple as that. Leaving jersey for some low cost sh!t hole does not make sense.
Juice Box says:
January 20, 2015 at 4:21 pm
Al Real Estate is local.
Here is some cheap entertainment.
A house for $1 million: Vancouver vs. 25 other cities
http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/01/house-1-million-vancouver-vs-25-cities/
50. You do meet the profile.
If only they would follow through with these talking points. Have to admit, they do sound good. He said all the right things.
Republicans caught like deers in the headlight by the collectivist in chief, trapped by their avowed acceptance of the ethics of altruism, which Obama champions, and they refuse to reject. More government programs, more regulations, more redistribution, it’s for the volk, and Jesus said “you are your brother’s keeper”. So let’s swap freedom for universal bandage to the collective.
Word is, “free” college for community college students will be paid for by taxing 529 plans.
Obama: Let’s Pay for ‘Free’ Community College by Taxing College Savings!
By Editor on January 20, 2015
free cc
Earlier this month we explained that there is no such thing as “free” community college and that it was the middle class which would likely foot the bill for any “free” tuition.
Looks like we were right.
(From Reason)
Obama previewed his plan for “free” community college for students seeking associate’s degrees a couple of weeks ago. The administration has put a price tag of $60 billion over 10 years for it (which means it’s likely to be much higher). Part of how Obama plans to pay for it is to tax the special saving funds, called 529 plans, that people can use to gather money to pay for their children (or themselves) to go to college.
We are all Americans!!! Screw the left/right bs. Let’s work to make a better America. Current path sucks, why not opt for something different?
Rags, why are you all about the individual? Why are you against working together for the greater good? Your crowd goes something like this, I’m smarter or more physically gifted than you, I deserve more. People with your philosophy are why there are wars. They want it all, they deserve it. It’s their God given right to have it all.
Climate change deniers also make me sick. Create a little enclosed bowl to resemble earth’s Eco system. Now pump that bowl full of co2 and tell me it has no effect. You have to be a total idiot to not think human actions are not impacting the planet. There is no help for you if you think climate change is a conspiracy made up by the left.
Ragnar says:
January 20, 2015 at 10:05 pm
Republicans caught like deers in the headlight by the collectivist in chief, trapped by their avowed acceptance of the ethics of altruism, which Obama champions, and they refuse to reject. More government programs, more regulations, more redistribution, it’s for the volk, and Jesus said “you are your brother’s keeper”. So let’s swap freedom for universal bandage to the collective.
This is something worth spending taxes on. Collectively, we all invest to lower our taxes in the future. How? By giving all these people access to free higher education means that they will be able to get higher skilled jobs as opposed to lower skilled. This means they will get paid more and pay more in taxes. Reducing the burden that everyone has to pay. Remember, besides paying less in taxes, a lot of these people would end up collecting welfare. So we are investing to reduce welfare, thereby reducing our taxes.
Toxic Crayons says:
January 20, 2015 at 10:12 pm
Word is, “free” college for community college students will be paid for by taxing 529 plans.
Obama: Let’s Pay for ‘Free’ Community College by Taxing College Savings!
By Editor on January 20, 2015
free cc
Earlier this month we explained that there is no such thing as “free” community college and that it was the middle class which would likely foot the bill for any “free” tuition.
Looks like we were right.
(From Reason)
Obama previewed his plan for “free” community college for students seeking associate’s degrees a couple of weeks ago. The administration has put a price tag of $60 billion over 10 years for it (which means it’s likely to be much higher). Part of how Obama plans to pay for it is to tax the special saving funds, called 529 plans, that people can use to gather money to pay for their children (or themselves) to go to college.
62- collectively means that it will be cheaper if we all pay for this. Since we all benefit and society will be better for it, why not? What do we have to lose? A more educated population? I’ll take it.
Firm believer that taxes should go to education and infrastructure. It’s a good long term investment.
I either need a gallon of Ipecac or a week of high colonics after watching this chimp we call prezident.
On another note, I will somehow find a way to pay one million dollars to anyone who has photos of Joni Ernst having s<x with cattle.
“Free” community college sounds a lot like “forced high colonic”.
Nothing is free, mothafcuka.
Community College for Free.
Code For: We need a place to put additional kids who are barely literate and need a place to go besides a four year institution.
I will slack off and rely on all the money that the gubmint creams from Punkin’s 529 savings to put my youngest kid thru colledge.
sx (67)-
What’s wrong with being a janitor or gravedigger? We’ve gone soft.
BTW, we have a place for the barely literate. It’s called college.
Amazing how you have to guard against “triggering” when the audience is a bunch of kids who can barely read.
punkin (60)-
I’m on board, as long as “something different” involves you strapped to a board in a secret rendition prison in Bulgaria.
“We are all Americans!!! Screw the left/right bs. Let’s work to make a better America. Current path sucks, why not opt for something different?”
Pumpkin face, how is Earth like an enclosed little bowl? The complexity of the Sun, gravitational forces, rotational forces, ocean currents, tides, jet streams, etc., is so staggering we have barely scratched the surface in understanding it. Anybody who claims that they are certain that CO2 is responsible for climate change is a fool.
#9 Toxic,
Don’t have time to respond today, but while you wait please mull over this.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/boy-5-finds-gun-shoots-baby-brother-dead-sheriff-article-1.2085000
#59 Rags
Care to put some meat on these altruistic arguments?.
January 20, 2015 at 10:05 pm
Republicans caught like deers in the headlight by the collectivist in chief, trapped by “their avowed acceptance of the ethics of altruism, which Obama champions, and they refuse to reject. “
73 – really? That’s all you’ve got? You response is “what about the children?”
I wouldn’t give my 5 year old a running chainsaw or a nail gun either. That’s got nothing to do with what you posted claiming there are no self defense uses for firearms.
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