Brooklyn by the sea

From the Star Ledger:

Progress in Asbury Park, developers shift focus from oceanfront to downtown

About 10 years ago, waves of ritzy, new multifamily buildings along Asbury Park’s oceanfront were expected to breathe life into a city in need of repair. Properties near the ocean made way for the four-story Wesley Grove development, the eight-story North Beach condominiums and a colossal project called “Esperanza,” a complex about 10 stories tall with more than 200 units.

Esperanza even caught the eye of Hall and Oates musician, Joseph Oates, another Rock and Roll Hall of Famer to buy into a city that’s got Bruce Springsteen written all over it.

But these projects were too much and too soon for a city struggling to recover from 1970s race riots, crime and political corruption. North Beach had trouble filling its condos, and the $100 million Esperanza, which means “hope” in Spanish, never lived up to its name. The developer filed for bankruptcy in 2011 and all that remains are the bare bones of its foundation — an oceanfront eyesore.

City hall officials, developers and realtors now think smaller projects away from the oceanfront and near the downtown area are the best way to revive a city that was once an entertainment mecca for the Jersey Shore. They want to draw an atypical type of Shore resident.

“There aren’t any other towns like Asbury Park,” said Patrick Schiavino, a realtor and long-time Asbury Park property investor. “We’re not a sleepy Shore town. We’re kind of like Brooklyn by the sea.”

Schiavino said a lot of people moving to Asbury Park are retired couples from the New York City area who want to be by the water, but also want to be a part of a vibrant arts and culture scene. He said the city tends to attract artists, musicians and the LGBT community.

He admits Asbury Park is not for everyone. Families with children are not likely to be drawn there, he said, because the school system is “problematic,” and there aren’t many neighborhoods where children can “go out and play in the streets.”
Developers are focusing on the downtown area, taking advantage of existing structures and turning them into mixed residential and commercial units.

Sackman Enterprises, a Manhattan-based real estate management and development company, has restored the historic Steinbach building with 63 apartment units, as well as several other buildings in the area, said Carter Sackman, president.

Three months ago, Sackman purchased the Kinmouth building on Mattison Ave., which the historic Savoy theater occupies, for just under $2.5 million. Along with restoring the 20,000-square-foot theater, which has been vacant for decades, the company plans to utilize 4,500 square feet for retail space and 18,000 square feet of the upper four floors for 48 studio apartments.

Sackman said the company has budgeted $8 million for improvements and the apartments would probably start at $850 per month once they are ready to be rented.

The movement away from oceanfront development toward downtown areas reflects a trend, according to Roland Anglin, the director of the Joseph C. Cornwall Center for Metropolitan Studies at Rutgers-Newark.

“The last real housing crunch has really changed the way that people view housing,” Anglin said. “We won’t be seeing large-scale towers on the ocean because the demand is not there.”

He said downtown development is an “urbanist’s dream.”

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68 Responses to Brooklyn by the sea

  1. Libturd at home says:

    FRIST!!!

  2. anon (the good one) says:

    @SenSanders: Inequality is the root of social evil. – @Pontifex

  3. Juice Box says:

    re: “there aren’t many neighborhoods where children can “go out and play in the streets.”

    Funny every time I drive through Asbury’s meager 1.4 square miles there are loads and loads of kids playing in the streets all ages and mostly unsupervised more like Brooklyn than other suburban neighborhoods where little Baylor and little Emerson are locked away on a play date.

    Downtown will only survive as long as the Police keep parking cruisers at all entrances to keep the locals out. My Asbury waiter shared a story of how one night while walking home after working at his downtown restaurant he was hit over the head as someone attempted to steal his tip money. Boy did he run for his life, just like you would do in Brooklyn when he saw the revolver.

  4. anon (the good one) says:

    “An analysis by the Centre for Responsible Lending found that it would take a family earning the median income, or $50,046, 21 years to save for a 10% down payment and closing costs on a house of median value ($158,100), both using 2010 census numbers. That’s derived from Americans’ average savings rate of 3.9%. It would take even longer for African-American and Latino families to do the same – 31 and 26 years respectively.”

  5. NJCoast says:

    Asbury Park. It’s dingy, it’s dirty, it’s rough, while at the same time where I’ve had some great times. Graduating high school in Convention Hall then 30 years later sitting there with Mr. Lopez (Vinnie’s dad- may he RIP) while Bruce and John Fogerty rehearsed. Running the beach for high school track practice. Taking my kids to the last remains of the rides on the boardwalk in the mid 80’s. Working the first Warped Tour at the Pony. Taking cat naps in my car parked inside the hall while working 24 hour shifts for the Today show and The Rising rehearsal shows. Yes it’s dangerous there, and the Paramount theatre can give me the heebie jeebies when I’m there all alone setting up, but there is an energy there like nothing else. But I still wouldn’t want to live there.
    And Lauryn Hill finally hit the stage at 10:30 last night and gave one of the best shows I have ever seen.

  6. Juice Box says:

    Property Bubble in Gaza? Hard to believe but apparently very true.

    http://vimeo.com/101819495

  7. Ben says:

    Was there a few weeks ago. Mind you, I lived near there for a long time so I saw the ghost town of the 80s and 90s. The development is not changing it. You have nice building followed by old desolate building followed by unfinished building followed by warehouse converted into a bar. You even go to the nice restaurants and see the old falling apart carousel building. It’s like Sea Bright meets Brooklyn meets Judgment Day. The vendors are serving food out of shipping containers converted into kitchens. I’m not saying the place isn’t going to keep progressing, but Jesus, we have that 40 year unfinished structure right smack in the center of so called progress central.

    As others have lamented, you still have that awful crowd 2 blocks down. Yes, those same people that burned the city to the ground 40 years ago. They have kids now and they won’t burn your business down. They just want to rob people that stray 2 blocks over.

  8. dentss dunnigan says:

    AP could be a retirees dream ….a beach town that doesn’t have to worry about property taxes rising to unaffordable levels .The rest of the state is subsidizing 90% of the school taxes …..where do I sign up

  9. juice (6)-

    Buy the fcuking dip.

    “Property Bubble in Gaza?”

  10. Asbury Park is a permanent dip.

  11. NJT says:

    Ebola,

    Shad fished for the sport of it back in the day not, the meat roe. They are fantastic fighters when relatively ‘fresh’ from the sea with ‘airtime” rivaling Atlantic Salmon or Steelhead. There’s a reason they call it the ‘poor man’s salmon’ and at 17 what kid isn’t poor – personally.

    After hearing how when doing ‘planked shad’ you throw away the fish and eat the wood from several old timers I never tried to eat one…until this year.

    While fishing with my son where the Delware meets the Pequest we caught one. He begged me to cook it up so, I did. Prepared it like I have Bluefish:

    Wrap fillets in aluminum foil with a drain for the oil and load it up with BBQ sauce and onions then, place on the grill and check every few minutes . Wasn’t bad. However, I don’t want it again. BTW – same goes for Bluefish, another inexpensive fine sportfish.

    Of course neither of the fish mentioned above compare to Atlantic Salmon or Tuna (in fight or taste) but when you’re on a tight budget…

    BTW, Atlantic Salmon and Tuna trips have become so expensive…I don’t go anymore.

  12. chicagofinance says:

    Was in Baltimore this weekend to hit Camden Yards…..Asbury Park should demolish a section and put up a sports venue……how about an MLS franchise? Seriously…..Baltimore is Detroit with a clue and a chance…..it is still hell though…..my friend’s dad grew up in north suburbs of DC and basically described the entire area as a blend of the north and south…….northern hospitality and southern efficiency…..

    Ebola for Palestine says:
    August 10, 2014 at 6:34 pm
    Asbury Park is a permanent dip.

  13. chicagofinance says:

    BTW how is this for a fcuked up scene…..elbowing my way to Camden Yards with my wife and kids through a bunch of gang-bangers, Maryland based southern fried hicks, Oriole fans wearing straw hats, and this merry band of nitwits…..even my 7 year-old son said “who the fcuk are these idiots?”
    http://www.otakon.com/

  14. chicagofinance says:

    this is what it was like…..thousands of these fruitcakes on the high functioning edge of the autism and/or schizophrenic spectrum………….
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcsjfLM7zzs

  15. Randy says:

    Baltimore has some good to offer but it’s not a safe family destination… Too many gang bangers and homeless carving out their turf. It’s an odd mix of haves and have-nots hanging in the same couple square miles. we wouldnt go back with kids after we saw gangsta’s riding dirt bikes through red light intersections with no regard for traffic laws right in the Inner Harbor… A shootout can erupt at any moment.

  16. Baltimore: good lacrosse, good crabs, otherwise a postmodern wasteland.

  17. When you talk about Baltimore, can’t leave out the West Virginia junkies. They are everywhere, and I think every homeless white person falls into this category.

  18. anon (the good one) says:

    from NYT
    Rapacious unwilling to pay fair wages

    “So it was surprising last month when Swift’s stock plummeted nearly 18 percent in a single day. The tumble came for an odd reason. It wasn’t because there was too little business — but rather, too much.

    “We were constrained by the challenging driver market,” the company said in its quarterly earnings announcement. “Our driver turnover and unseated truck count were higher than anticipated.”

    Yet the idea that there is a huge shortage of truck drivers flies in the face of a jobless rate of more than 6 percent, not to mention Economics 101. The most basic of economic theories would suggest that when supply isn’t enough to meet demand, it’s because the price — in this case, truckers’ wages — is too low. Raise wages, and an ample supply of workers should follow.”

  19. Essex says:

    5. you’ve seen some shit. Lived it. Loved it.
    That post says a lot on a monday. The poet. The picker.
    The butt kicker.

  20. anon (the good one) says:

    @GuardianUS: How many years does it take an average American to save for a 10% down payment on a house?

    Carpenter: 23
    Nurse: 15

  21. Toxic Crayons says:

    And now, a word from NJ weedman about the case of Shaneen Allen, PA resident who traveled to NJ and faces 3 years mandatory prison sentence….

    https://www.facebook.com/events/1469752449950242
    Utilize Jury Nullification to Make America Free Again

    By the design of the founders of America, U.S. citizens are the final arbiters of our nation’s laws via our jury system. I don’t think the founding fathers could have envisioned “America the free” becoming “America the prison country.” I was jailed for saying that in 2002, now I get to say it as a columnist – wow. The incarceration rate here is the highest in the world: As of October 2013, it was 716 individuals per 100,000 members of the national population. While the United States represents about 5 percent of the world’s population, it houses around 25 percent of the world’s prisoners.

    We also pass more laws than any other country. Infamously gridlocked with bipartisanship, Congress passed fewer than 60 laws last year that made it through the House and Senate to be signed by the president. But across the country, state lawmakers were busy getting more than 40,000 bills passed – ones that tackle everything from drones to food stamp benefits.

    There is no way for citizens to know when or how they’ve violated one of the 1 million laws on our nation’s books. Take the case of Shaneen Allen, 27, of South Philadelphia: Last July she was dragged into an alley off South Street. She was robbed of her pocketbook containing some makeup, a $20 bill, and a SEPTA Trans-Pass, but she said the encounter could have cost her her life.

    So she obtained a Pennsylvania license-to-carry permit and legally purchased a .380 Bersa Thunder, a gun with two safeties and a trigger lock. She even signed up for lessons at a local gun range. But she made one mistake: She brought the gun to New Jersey. And now she has a new fear – a three-to-five year prison sentence. (Personally, I think if this scenario were to play out again the robber would also get a new gun in the pocketbook.)

    On October 1, 2013, as Shaneen headed to Atlantic City a New Jersey State Police trooper pulled her over for an alleged unsafe lane change. What she didn’t know: New Jersey has some of the nation’s strictest gun-control laws. And it doesn’t recognize carry permits from other states, either – something Allen said she didn’t realize: “I thought it was like a driver’s license. I didn’t know.” She ended up spending 45 days in jail.

    As a first-time offender she applied for NJPTI – the state’s Pretrial Intervention program. The pretrial intervention director gave her a favorable recommendation but the Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office rejected her application, citing a need to “deter.”

    I say Ms. Allen should “deter” the prosecutor from prosecuting cases like this by taking the case to trial and encouraging the jury to nullify the law. She should represent herself and speak directly to the “citizen members of the jury” in her opening and closing statements and explain to the jury how the NJ laws are wrong and being misapplied. She should encourage them to nullify the law she’s charged with violating by returning a “not guilty” verdict. A “not guilty verdict” would “deter” the prosecutor from persecuting others in similar circumstances.

    Jury nullification occurs in a trial when a jury acquits a defendant, even though the members of the jury believe the defendant is guilty of the charges. This may occur when jury members disagree with the law the defendant is charged with breaking or believe the law should not be applied in that particular case. A jury can similarly convict a defendant on grounds of disagreement with an existing law, even if no law is broken (although in jurisdictions with double jeopardy rules a conviction can be overturned on appeal, but an acquittal cannot).

    This is what happened to me October 18, 2012. I was absolutely guilty of bringing a pound of marijuana from California, where it was legal for me to have, to New Jersey, where I was arrested by a State Trooper (also alleging a traffic violation). The jurors didn’t feel I should be punished by our goofy marijuana laws and said “not guilty” despite my obvious violation of the law. I would be in prison now instead of being a columnist.

    This can be done for many of the 1 million laws that have been enacted against “We the People” to make America the prison capital of the world.

  22. Anon E. Moose says:

    Re: [2];

    Sing it, Johnny One-Note!

  23. painhrtz - whatever says:

    NJT having caught all the fish you described I like catching shad the least nothing compares to a fresh steelhead on light tackle. As far as charters, I used to work a friends boat as a mate ten years ago, even then it was getting so expensive for most folks he used to offer cut rate trips on weekends. the cost of fuel has made it so unaffordable I don’t even go out anymore and I still don’t pay full rate.

  24. Fast Eddie says:

    I went to three open houses in Wyckoff yesterday because I wanted to see what the late summer drag looks like. They all had some activity on the sheets and this time, I managed to see another party at each of the houses. Since it’s a sought after town and there’s nothing really to show, sooner or later the fish are going to fight over the receding pond.

    I don’t have time to get into every single detail as each had their own “issues” but let’s just say that all three agents asked where they think their respective houses need to be priced. Does it matter? The pudgy muppets aren’t going to listen to reality anyway.

    Agent three was my favorite as she was very realistic and acknowledged that there are a slew of muppets that are underwater due to bad purchases and those that went Heloc crazy. So, despite the cheerleaders on this forum, truth be told that the inventory is scarce and what’s out there is sh1t. There are very few qualified sellers.

  25. 1987 Condo says:

    There is a new construction around the corner from me, $760,000…I assume $16,000 in taxes….Cedar Grove…

  26. anon (the good one) says:

    From 2001 to 2013, inflation-adjusted revenue at 100 of the largest publicly traded companies grew 71 percent and inflation-adjusted operating profit rose 150 percent.

    But 30 of the companies actually cut jobs between 2001 and 2013 – even while managing, in some instances, very big increases in profit and revenue growth.

    The resulting list of 100 large companies covers a range of industries, from consumer giants Wal-Mart (WMT.N) and McDonalds (MCD.N), to old-line industrials such as Caterpillar (CAT.N) and General Motors (GM.N) as well as technology giants like IBM (IBM.N) and Microsoft (MSFT.O).

    But amid overall wage stagnation there is concern about a growing divide. According to Bureau of Labor Statistics data, the number of people employed in the top ten highest paying job categories fell 4 percent from 2001 to 2013 while their pay rose 28 percent on an inflation-adjusted basis. The number of people employed in the lowest ten paying jobs expanded nearly 15 percent, while their inflation-adjusted wages fell 5.5 percent.

    @Reuters: For largest U.S. companies, jobs growth has lagged profits, revenues http://t.co/oySZ3npj9s

  27. jj says:

    I got some fun happening today. Process servers visiting all the folks in arrears today. I always wonder why folks buy condos and coops and then dont pay the maint. Why dont they just buy a tiny bungalow or something? If you are so against it why buy something like that.

  28. chicagofinance says:

    This blog has poisoned my thinking. My daughter bought one of these…..and I said what a nice horse….she then informed me that it was a unicorn and my only thought was whether it sh!t skittles….
    http://www.buildabear.com/shopping/store/15-in.-MY-LITTLE-PONY-TRIXIE/productId=prod11220221

  29. Libturd in the City says:

    Pain,

    My uncle used to be a commercial fisherman, following in the footsteps of my grandfather. He mainly fished for cod, but would occasionally hook a tuna which would turn any run profitable as the sushi joints would pay top dollar for it. I forgot the length of his boat, but he did have such huge twin diesels that when he gunned it, the boat would dip so far that initially water would actually come over the wall at the back of the boat. Of course the price of fuel drove him out of business so he bought a gas station and ran that and pretty much sport fished every free day that he had. Best of all, to avoid the luxury tax on diesel, he would trailer his boat and fill it up at the station with the cover of nightfall. Of course his fuel lacked the dye that existed in the marine diesel, but he was so friendly with the inspectors that they would never check his boat. The coolest part to me about his boat was the GPS that actually drove the boat. Once we cleared the marina and the harbor, you would just punch in the coordinates of where the fish might be and we would all go under and catch some Z’s. Cod fishing out of Long Island would require leaving the docks around 2am. I think they were mostly in 300 foot depths or more. Sadly, my uncle croaked about 5 years ago. Too many years of chain smoking and too many six-packs of beer. But he did love his life.

  30. Brian says:

    Hey JJ, are you renting out your condo to summer vacationers? What do you think so far, has it been working out? Has it been profitable so far?

    jj says:
    August 11, 2014 at 10:34 am
    I got some fun happening today. Process servers visiting all the folks in arrears today. I always wonder why folks buy condos and coops and then dont pay the maint. Why dont they just buy a tiny bungalow or something? If you are so against it why buy something like that.

  31. Libturd in the City says:

    Chi…did you give your daughter a brohoof afterwards?

  32. Xolepa says:

    Having a good fight is pulling up a large hybrid from Spruce Run. I don’t use anything larger than 4 lb test. It took me almost half an hour to drag one up.

  33. Libturd in the City says:

    Want to laugh? We used 50 lb. test when fishing for cod. Stuff was more like 14 gauge electrical wire than fishing line.

  34. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [29] chifi

    Clearly, you don’t spend much time on a weekend with your daughter. I can now name about half of the My Little Ponies characters (maybe not half but it isn’t something I aspire to).

    Sometimes the names are absolutely absurd, which makes them easy to remember. There was one (male) pony named Cheese Sandwich. It was so stupid, I’m gonna need mental floss to get it out of my head.

  35. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [34] libturd

    You needed that heavy stuff to get the cod on deck. I remember cod so big, you needed to string it up on an overhead hook to pose for a picture. They were hauled around in wheelbarrows. Now they are the size of bass.

    I also remember being told that when you were reeling it in, the cod essentially died on the way up because they couldn’t handle the pressure change. Always struck me as BS but now, in this internet age, we see that there is some validity to it.

  36. Toxic Crayons says:

    Your tax dollars at work:

    WILLINGBORO — More than $64,000 in iPads bought by the Willingboro school district have been missing for months, according to a report on BurlingtonCountyTimes.com.

    Police and district officials aren’t sure if the devices were stolen or lost from a warehouse on Industrial Drive in the township, the report said.

    The good news for taxpayers in the Burlington County town is that school officials last month revealed that the district’s insurance company would reimburse it $59,000.

    The 161 devices, valued at $400 each, vanished sometime between April and November 2013. District officials refused to release any information about the iPads until recently, denying an Open Public Records Request this Spring from the Burlington County Times.

    School officials also won’t say whether there were security cameras in the warehouse.

    The iPads were bought from Apple in three installments.

  37. Libturd in the City says:

    The only redeeming quality of Willingboro are their cheesteaks.

    In other news, the same thing happened a few years ago in Montklair.

  38. 1987 Condo says:

    Even bigger in LA

  39. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Doc McStuffins is the bane of existence

    Nom I remember when cod were that big, I went out a few years ago and felt guilty because we weren’t throwing the undersized cod we were catching back.

  40. Libturd in the City says:

    The cod were still pretty big about ten years ago. But you had to cruise about 6 hours each way to find them.

  41. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [40] pain

    At least my girls liked Avatar-The Last Airbender. Not mind-numbing but I was a bit concerned about the violence.

  42. Ben says:

    Your tax dollars at work:

    WILLINGBORO — More than $64,000 in iPads bought by the Willingboro school district have been missing for months, according to a report on BurlingtonCountyTimes.com.

    Police and district officials aren’t sure if the devices were stolen or lost from a warehouse on Industrial Drive in the township, the report said.

    The good news for taxpayers in the Burlington County town is that school officials last month revealed that the district’s insurance company would reimburse it $59,000.

    The 161 devices, valued at $400 each, vanished sometime between April and November 2013. District officials refused to release any information about the iPads until recently, denying an Open Public Records Request this Spring from the Burlington County Times.

    School officials also won’t say whether there were security cameras in the warehouse.

    The iPads were bought from Apple in three installments.

    As a teacher, I can tell you, if your district is buying that many ipads, they are wasting your money. Usually, a program like that is all some person in the district trying to make a name for his/herself by being trendy. These things have very little if any educational value at all. It’s a computer with a touch screen with limited software capabilities. There’s nothing special about an ipad but Apple’s whole marketing shtick has always been to make their products seem empowering. The whole purpose of an ipad is portability. Why you would bring this into a school is beyond me. The kids are stuck inside a classroom with a portable device. Kinda defeats the entire purpose.

    Think of how many good functioning desktop computers 64k buys. Those computers are more capable and have a longer lifetime than the ipads. They are also less likely to get damaged or stolen.

  43. painhrtz - whatever says:

    Nom considering I have 10 to 12 more years of cartoon watching I’m prepared for the worst. My son on the other hand likes the classics tom and Jerry and Looney Toons

  44. jj says:

    This summer not as much. But not trying as much. My winter tenant is coming back. They are renting from September 6 through June 16. Place since I own it outright with maint and insurance and taxes and minor repairs costs me like 12K a year going forward. Since place had some exemptions like veterns/senior citzens that town was slow to remove up to now it has been costing me 10K a year to own.

    I rent it to a nice couple off season who keeps it perfect. Anyhow I get for entire winter rental around 18K. During summer when I rent it I can get 2k a week or 6k for month. this summer I only rented it one week. Mainly cause last summer I closed mid June we worked like dogs fixing it and then as soon as it was done we had two summer rentals and the winter tenant move in Sept 6. Literally we used it one single day and none of of family even saw it.

    Next Summer I am thinking of renting it for August for 5k and then the winter rental.

    I think on a year round rental I could get 2,300 a month or 27,600 a year. My way I most likely rent it sporadically in summer maybe three weeks on average for 6k plus the 18K winter rental for a total of 24,000. So I actually make less and have more work. But it leaves me a place to use 4-7 weeks each summer.

    Long Beach Long Island the Bungalows in West End Damaged in Sandy were real cash cows. They were selling for like 175k to 200K with 7K in taxes and cost maybe like 40K to fix. Those bungalows rent for around 1800 a month in winter and like 2k a week in summer. That beach is public and all owner has to do is buy cheap beach passes and leave them. All the bars are walking distance. I saw some bungalows on VRBO that were every week all summer. So they are getting like 18k in summer and 18K in winter or 36K a year on a house all in that cost 240K with 7k taxes. Some folks I heard grabbed up 5-10 of them cash. They now sell for around 300-350K fixed so the owners are up a lot.

    Jersey Shore rentals problem is the witner rental market is very weak which impacts your rental income.

    Also rockaway queens bungalows folks who snatched got cash cows. The were selling for like 100K after Sandy and taxes are like $1,500 a year. Folks renovated them as cheap as 35K and threw in a $1600 a month tenant. Imagine one months rent is your yearly carrying costs.

    Brian says:

    August 11, 2014 at 11:04 am

    Hey JJ, are you renting out your condo to summer vacationers? What do you think so far, has it been working out? Has it been profitable so far?

    jj says:
    August 11, 2014 at 10:34 am
    I got some fun happening today. Process servers visiting all the folks in arrears today. I always wonder why folks buy condos and coops and then dont pay the maint. Why dont they just buy a tiny bungalow or something? If you are so against it why buy something like that.

  45. Brian says:

    Jersey Shore rentals are fine. Some people just rent them to pay the mortgage and leave a week for their own family. My Uncle bought his place for $36,000 in the late 1970’s just thinking it would be his second home and he could vacation there. Not as a money maker. But then he was laid off from IBM and by then realtors were approaching him to rent it out so he rented it out of desperation. I guess he priced it right because he had the same group of families renting it out year after year and sometimes even fixed stuff for him.

    This summer he had somebody ask him to rent it for the entire summer. But yeah Seaside is a ghost town in the winter. Occasionally he has a late season or early summer renter but it’s rare.

    jj says:
    August 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm
    This summer not as much. But not trying as much. My winter tenant is coming back

  46. jj says:

    Good for your uncle. I love the Jersey Shore. But I dont like fact winter rental market is weak. I wish I bought a bungalow or a small house instead of the condo. Much more profitable and also you can always add a second story. With a condo you can never expand and you are at the mercy of your neighbors in regards to building improvements and finanical well being of building.

    My wife did not want a second home where the roof, lawn, gutter cleaning, snow removal, taking out garbage cans etc would be so much work we would be dealing with that. Still I did have folks over on Saturday and I did go to beach a group of 13 of use. Beach is free and walking distance from condo. Some bungalows near me parking is a nightmare at least in condo I have a whole visitors lot and most folks at best have folks over once a year so lot is always open.

    Brian says:

    August 11, 2014 at 2:38 pm
    Jersey Shore rentals are fine. Some people just rent them to pay the mortgage and leave a week for their own family. My Uncle bought his place for $36,000 in the late 1970′s just thinking it would be his second home and he could vacation there. Not as a money maker. But then he was laid off from IBM and by then realtors were approaching him to rent it out so he rented it out of desperation. I guess he priced it right because he had the same group of families renting it out year after year and sometimes even fixed stuff for him.

    This summer he had somebody ask him to rent it for the entire summer. But yeah Seaside is a ghost town in the winter. Occasionally he has a late season or early summer renter but it’s rare.

  47. Juice Box says:

    Wonderful Islamist version of bring your child to work day.

    Google search “That’s my boy.”

  48. anon (the good one) says:

    @wfaaizzy: Autopsy says sprint car racer died of blunt force trauma after struck by Tony Stewart’s car. @JoeTrahan has reaction from Eddie Gossage @5.

  49. Toxic Crayon says:

    @JamesOKeefeIII: BREAKING: Video shows man crossing border from Mexico into the US dressed like Osama Bin Laden. https://t.co/jpKDRXNXrU

  50. Juice Box says:

    Vigoda > Robin Williams

  51. Toxic Crayon says:

    Just give the Kurds nukes and mustard gas.

    Juice Box says:
    August 11, 2014 at 6:51 pm
    Bullhorn for war from the US press is blowing louder.

    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/11/world/meast/iraq-rescue-mission/index.html?c=homepage-t

  52. Let all those mf’ers kill each other. Good riddance to the whole scurvy lot.

  53. Back in a little while. Gotta find a severed head for my kids to play with.

  54. anon (the good one) says:

    @tim_cook:
    @Pontifex: Violence is not conquered by violence. Lord, send us the gift of peace. #prayforpeace Amen!

  55. anon should be conquered by violence.

  56. Anybody got a sprint car I can borrow for a quick spin?

  57. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [60] clot,

    Doesn’t help if you don’t know where he lives.

    On a related note, Daily Kos is posting about the Pentagon preparing for societal unrest when the climate changes, and is all concerned that the Pentagon is targeting their side. Why? They aren’t the ones with guns.

  58. Juice Box says:

    Re: climate change (anecdotal)

    My BIL in Michigan today got flooded several feet of water in basement, heavy rains apparently. Old neighbor who has been there 45 years said never before. He now wants to relocate here. Lol?

  59. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [54] juice,

    Just hard to comprehend, yet entirely predictable. And if it could happen to someone with a safety net as wide and bulletproof as a Hollywood megastar, well, the implications are really troubling.

    I almost wish to learn that he had a terminal illness. That would at least let us rationalize it better.

  60. Toxic Crayons says:

    Holding an intruder at gunpoint with an AR-15 selfie…..ah the internet….

    http://www.triangletactical.net/2014/08/11/holding-intruder-gunpoint-selfie/

  61. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    Want to see California get hit by the SEC for this. But I’m not holding my breath since it appears to be subjectively determined and subjectively enforced.

    “Kansas joins New Jersey and Illinois in having been cited by the SEC in recent years for similar offenses. While not admitting or denying the SEC’s finding, the state agreed not to commit any violations in the future. . . .

    Kathleen Sebelius, the former U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services under President Obama, served as governor of Kansas until 2009. Republican Sam Brownback is the current governor.

    The SEC said Kansas raised $273 million in bonds in 2009 and 2010 but failed to disclose to investors how badly the pension situation was. That meant that the bonds’ buyers didn’t know which obligations would be competing for state money that would be used to pay them back.”

    http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/11/news/economy/kansas-sec-fraud/index.html?iid=HP_River

    New Jersey was dinged for this for bonds issued between 2001 and 2007. This was mostly McGreevey and Codey, and (to his credit(?)), the practice seemed to have ended under Corzine.

  62. Bystander says:

    RIP to a comic genius. I feel like I grew up with Robin Williams…as young tyke during Mork and Mindy then Popeye as a kid. In High School with Dead Poets Society. Mrs. Doubtfire in college. Good Will Hunting in young adulthood. This is just shocking.

  63. Toxic Crayon says:

    Williams said he was aware many people would find his angst annoying, considering his lifestyle. He said: “People go ‘what have you got to be depressed about?’ And they’re right, I haven’t. “Now I’m on these pills. Depression isn’t about ‘woe is me, my life is this, that and the other’, it’s like having the worst flu all day that you just can’t kick.”

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