From NJ1015:
Forecast calls for a braking of New Jersey’s economy
While the U.S. economy seems to be moving ahead moderately, New Jersey’s economy is stuck in “slow,” according to the latest Rutgers University economic forecast.
The Rutgers RECON forecast predicts a “dampening” of Jersey’s gross domestic product. Rutgers economist James Hughes says for the foreseeable future, it certainly is not going to be “boom times” in New Jersey.
The state enjoyed a good economic year in 2015. But it slowed in 2016. Hughes says New Jersey job growth will be about half the pace of the rest of the nation.
“We are just about back to where we were before the recession began. But the nation recovered all of its jobs 30 months ago.”
They make the point in the report that after falling rather rapidly in 2015, the state’s unemployment rate reached 4.3 percent in February 2016, but it has risen somewhat since, hitting 5.3 percent in August. They also predict the jobless rate will average 4.9 percent this year, then rise to 5.4 percent in 2017.
New Jersey consumer prices rose almost imperceptibly in 2015, held back by falling gas prices. The RECON forecast says prices will rise 0.7 percent in 2016, but bounce back up to the long-run average of about 2.6 percent per year through 2026.
“Our labor force is growing slower. Our population is growing slower. And those factors really point to the economic output, or gross domestic product, of the state really moderating going forward,” Hughes says.
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Hughes also says 400,000 New Jerseyans work in New York City. A lot of those New York City jobs are high-paying and New Jerseyans get a share of New York’s growth.“We in New Jersey are heavily dependent on suburban offices to shelter our economy, but that is not a hot sector elsewhere. The income growth looks better than simply the state itself because that represents dollar flows into the state.”
Good Morning New Jersey
This is absurd:
Protecting Donald Trump costs New York City more than $1 million a day
A million a day is highly doubtful. We’re talking $365 million dollars annualized? Sorry, I do not see how you burn a million dollars a day.
Even if a single officer plus overhead costs the city $300,000 a year (it does not), you are talking about more than 1000 officers assigned? This is like 5-7% of the entire NYC police department budget.
I don’t see why politicians get any police protection at all, if anything, should be absolutely minimal.
Getting assassinated should be considered a standard check and balance of government. If you piss off the electorate, you should be ready to accept the risks of that. Perhaps now even democrats would agree.
Deblasio isn’t exactly an unbiased source for information on Trump
And how much spectacle is actually created by the police?
Is there any mandate that local police protect the president or president elect in this manner?
I know when Obama’s convoy rolled through NJ, it was 3 dozen cars long. But really, I think most of those cops just want a photo op or the opportunity to say they were involved. Not that there is some legal mandate to protect.
A link someone else posted a few days back had a pop-up asking ‘how many cars does the US President need?’. Think it was the UK Telegraph. Set to music, they counted each one that passed by on a video. Hit 26 IIRC.
Got stuck behind Trump going from Bedminster to the City pre-election. Had eight security/trooper cars, isolated in the two left lanes going eastbound on 78, his SUV presumably jammed in the middle. They cruised about 65 mph. In an ‘only in NJ’ moment a pickup fully seeing the caravan with eight lit police vehicles repeatedly tries to pass them on the right at about 75+. Two cars in the center lane keep veering over to prevent them. He tailgates until I get off at Exit 41 lol.
Mr Hughes how could you say those awful things about New Jersey??!! Someone will come by the blog later and explain just how wrong you are!!
One million a day for the NYPD to close streets? Deblasio can put on his safety pin get bent and throw all the Trump tantrums he wants. We all know he is already running for re-election and is trying to get headlines when the press mostly ignores him. He isn’t well liked (even Hillary did not want him on her team, as per the Podesta emails) so he may very well be voted out of office 350 days from now.
3b is correct. New Jersey is the only state with a beach at one end and world class skiing on the other. Perhaps working millennials do not ski or go to the beach and that is why they are leaving in droves.
Leftwing,
” In an ‘only in NJ’ moment a pickup fully seeing the caravan with eight lit police vehicles repeatedly tries to pass them on the right at about 75+. Two cars in the center lane keep veering over to prevent them. He tailgates until I get off at Exit 41 lol.”
I can tell you from experience that the guys in the SUVs had weapons drawn and loaded, ready to wax the pickup driver. Damn near had a bullpup drawn on me in DC once. This was pre-9/11 so I just did a little jawboning with the Secret Service after a mutual display of our NJ driving skills.
What I don’t get is why Trump traveled by motorcade. He could have easily gone to the heliport and flown to Bedminster.
DOW 19,000. Thank you, President Trump! For you guys that bust your @ss, it’s going to be nice to have someone playing on your team for at least four years. For the layabouts, go put on your safety pin, rub your p.ussies and mold a puppy with your playdoh.
” Fabius Maximus says:
November 21, 2016 at 11:51 pm
I’ll just leave this here for Eddie Ray.
http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/18/news/donald-trump-wall-street-journal-liquidate/index.html
As to Trump U, the students will get 25c on the dollar after the lawyers have been paid. I think Trump will end up writing it off against taxes anyway. I need to check that, with a tax lawyer, but as usual, it hard to find a good one.”
Like I said a couple of days ago, it was one of his better deals. Schneiderman folded like a beach chair.
“” Fabius Maximus says:
November 21, 2016 at 11:51 pm
“I need to check that, with a tax lawyer, but as usual, it hard to find a good one.”
It seems that it is also hard to find a good proofreader.
Trump now travels with 20-30 folks..you need Chopper 1 or whatever it is called for that and someone is still using it….
Nom, don’t know. Had to be Trump – obviously it wasn’t advertised – but it was post nomination. They also had Westbound traffic shut down with local cop cars blocking the Westbound entrances, but only after Bedminster, not before. Run across CC before, he just travels in two black SUVs.
Yeah, that pickup guy was great. I kept a respectful eight cars distance back or so, and stayed in the middle lane. Others would speed through to the front in the left lane, see the caravan, and fall back. Crazy SOB kept trying to speed past them on the right.
Seems Fabian isn’t even that good at Google:
“Generally, amounts paid in settlement of lawsuits are currently deductible if the
acts which gave rise to the litigation were performed in the ordinary conduct of the
taxpayer’s business.See, e.g., Federation Bank & Trust Co. v. Commissioner, 27 T.C. 960 (1957) (allowing petitioner to deduct amounts paid in settlement of legal
proceedings charging petitioner with mismanagement in the liquidation of assets).
Similarly, amounts paid for legal expenses in connection with litigation are allowed as
deductible business expenses where such litigation is directly connected to, or
proximately results from, the conduct of a taxpayer’s business. See, e.g., Howard v. Commissioner, 22 B.T.A. 375 (1931) (legal fees incurred by taxpayer to settle a shareholder’s claim of misrepresentation in the conduct of business are deductible business expenses).”
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-wd/1412002.pdf
Marine 1, sorry
I’m happy, the economy is all I care about. Isn’t it sad that your team held the economy down for so long out of hate for obama? Talk about babies, they threw us all under the bus for their own selfish needs. What am I talking about? Obama tried to push stimulus measures like infrastructure spending for how long? And these fools were crying about the debt and that we have to cut spending. Now all of a sudden they do a 180? WTF? They should be tried and killed for practicing the worst kind of terrorism in the united states, economic terrorism on their own people. Insane. Now I’m guessing they will all start hiring and investing in expanding their business now that obama is out. Have to make my team look good and the other team look bad. What a joke.
Fast Eddie says:
November 22, 2016 at 9:41 am
DOW 19,000. Thank you, President Trump! For you guys that bust your @ss, it’s going to be nice to have someone playing on your team for at least four years. For the layabouts, go put on your safety pin, rub your p.ussies and mold a puppy with your playdoh.
Widely posted right now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVUhW5wg0lc
Here’s the same woman a month before the election. I’m surprised more red-staters were not swayed by her charm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nqC5VGKj8
Yet you know so little about it?
I’m happy, the economy is all I care about.
Forecast calls for a braking[sic] of New Jersey’s economy
And time will prove that I’m right. Does this guy even look at demographics and the business cycle? Yes, nj has been beaten up since 2000, but we already went through the hell, in the 2020’s nj will once again be one of the best performing economic areas in our country. We went through and are still going through a tough transition, but our location along with the educated populace will make nj great again once the transition is completed.
3b says:
November 22, 2016 at 9:02 am
Mr Hughes how could you say those awful things about New Jersey??!! Someone will come by the blog later and explain just how wrong you are!!
joyce – You couldn’t find it because I did not say that. You read my words and internalized a completely different tale of your own fabrication. It took me 4 seconds to find the post you referenced and you can’t find it because it doesn’t say what you think you remember. Also, chicks aren’t too good listening or remembering facts. Your strength is putting your own feelings to fiction and locking them away.
I did a quick search and didn’t find it, but I recall your past post saying cops can tell when someone is lying
Are you talking about your daughters or wife? Glad you moved out of jersey.
“Also, chicks aren’t too good listening or remembering facts. Your strength is putting your own feelings to fiction and locking them away”
NJ would be great with 70% less government and taxes, and 100% less Pumpkin-heads.
10:56
Just wanted to add to this. Look at the investments by jersey in the life sciences. The final nail in the coffin for the jersey comeback was the huge investment in infrastructure in the next 8 years. If you don’t think that will have a huge impact on making nj highly desirable, you have NO VISION whatsoever.
Be careful what you ask for. The lowering of taxes might make you pay more in the long run. If you lowered the taxes by 70%, the amount of people that will move here will drive up the pricing on everything to ridiculous levels. It will prob become a place that only the wealthy could afford. The more people you attract, the higher the prices…..ask nyc or san fran
No One says:
November 22, 2016 at 11:03 am
NJ would be great with 70% less government and taxes, and 100% less Pumpkin-heads.
[10:58] and joyce – in the post that you could not find I was entirely consistent with what I stated yesterday. When interacting with a cop, 1. Comply, 2. Tell the truth.
You disagreed with my winning strategy and went on to state that the “pigs”(your words) aren’t as smart as I assume they are.
And, to your main point, I did not say that cops are human lie detectors, I said that they have a wealth of experience when it come to being lied to. Your misreading of my words would be akin to assuming that someone who gets punched every day has professional level boxing skills.
Well there you go! Pumps knows more than mr. Hughes. Are you lurking me. Hughes?? Best you get on the jersey love train!!
But I thought paying high taxes was a sign of wealth? Now it’s lie taxes! I am so confused.
Pumps knows more than any other human. He just can’t figure out a way to do anything with it other than remind people.
Expat that video only has 1000 views.
Blame the New York Times. CNN and MSNBC only report what they are told to report by the Times. Both channels would be test patterns if the head of the snake is cut off, which is what I think Trump aims to do with his next meeting.
Protecting Donald Trump costs New York City more than $1 million a day
There’s dozens of copies, I couldn’t source the original as I came across it on Facebook (17 million views). Her name is Tess Rafferty.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/17/1600760/-Aftermath-2016-Tess-Rafferty-s-hard-hitting-statement-on-the-election-of-Trump
Expat that video only has 1000 views.
Unedited longer version. (Tess looks even worse in HD):
https://vimeo.com/191751334
Lost His Gourd [10:38];
Isn’t it sad that your team held the economy down for so long out of hate for obama?
I can’t decide which scenario is more pathetic:
A) You actually believe that because the media told it to you;
B) You’re trolling (and not very good at it; or
C) Both, depending on the state of your meds.
Yeah, it was the GOP without a single vote in favor that forced Obama to pass job-killing and cost-skyrocketing Obamacare legislation, just because we hate him and want to keep him down. It must be, as the media also tells us, because the GOP is nothing but alt-right white supremacists.
There was a great blog post that estimates there have been roughly 50x more articles about white supremacists this campaign than there are actual white supremacists. They have yet to learn that every time they call someone racist for rejecting the failed leftist party line, they create another ‘Trump’ voter. Four more years! Pence ’24!
Hughes knows more than me, but that doesn’t mean he is perfect. He has a lot more pressure to maintain his position, therefore, he would never make a prediction like mine. He’s also getting very old, and looking at the world with different biases than me. I would love to sit down and talk to him in a closed door situation without the pressure that comes with public statements.
3b says:
November 22, 2016 at 11:19 am
Well there you go! Pumps knows more than mr. Hughes. Are you lurking me. Hughes?? Best you get on the jersey love train!!
Widely posted right now
Good video, she probably makes the best case I’ve heard yet. I like it.
Expat,
Link to your post?
Media? What are you talking about? Your team was pushing austerity and blocking obama every chance they could. They almost shut down the govt based on the debt. What the hell does any of this have to do with the media?
So you are now going to sit here and take the position that team red didn’t block obama every chance they could get? No senate filibusters?
You are the mvp of team red, you block out everything your team does and only focus on attacking team blue. You sir are part of the problem with america. These team games are immature and do nothing positive for our country.
I don’t like trump on the personal level, but I’m willing to give him a chance based on his economics. I question why he is being anti-transparent when he ran on a platform to end corruption, but will give him a chance and see what he does. Wish you could have given obama the same chance, but you cried like a baby for 8 years and never ever gave him a chance.
“I can’t decide which scenario is more pathetic:
A) You actually believe that because the media told it to you;
B) You’re trolling (and not very good at it; or
C) Both, depending on the state of your meds.”
Mr. Hughes is a well respected economist from nj s largest public university system. And his salary is paid by the state. I wonder how detailing how gloomy New Jersey s economic outlook is pressures him to maintain his position?? You would think it would be the exact opposite!! And he is not old and has biases!!! Biases!! Talk about pot kettle and black!!
Grim [11:54];
I disagree, Grim. If — as she gleefully states without irony — every single Trump voter is a goose-stepping N@zi; then every single Sanders voter is in favor of the totalitarian soci@list state currently putting Venezuela through its death throes. If Hillary was anything but the lying cheat that she is, Sanders would have been on the ticket and could well have won. Don’t stand in front of the exits if that happens.
Should have said and he is old! Can’t trust those old people!!
Like most leftists, the worst of Obama’s damage was entirely self-inflicted. Like you, he doubles down when wrong. Speaking of filibuster, that seems to be your MO here.
After cheerleading for Hillary and Obama for over a decade, you have no standing to coplain about lack of transparency, or to lay “team games” on my doorstep.
“You sir are part of the problem with america.”
Saying something like that is evidence that you are the problem with America. (Capital “A”, please; and note that I back up my assertions with evidence — you might want to try that some time. Pro Tip: What you pull from your ass is not “evidence” of anything but your continued existence.)
There are other economists out there that see the same light that I do. Wish you could stop being so consumed with negativity, it’s causing you to not be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
“After lagging the rest of the country throughout most of this recovery, New Jersey’s economy has gained considerable traction over the past year. The improvement is most evident in the labor market, with nonfarm employment growth strengthening and the unemployment rate slowly edging down to 5.2 percent. While the progress is notable, the Garden State continues to face a number of challenges, including a mountain of home foreclosures and a fiscal situation that rivals just about any other large state. Taxpayers continue to leave the state, with domestic migration
well into negative territory. Still, amid these challenges, the improvement in the job market is noteworthy and likely signals broader gains in underlying economic conditions.
New Jersey’s economy expanded 1.8 percent in 2015, which was a marked acceleration from the prior two years but still lagged national real GDP growth (Figure 1). In the first quarter of 2016, however, New Jersey posted 2.7 percent year over year real GDP growth, besting the nation’s 2.1 percent over the same period. Moreover, New Jersey’s job growth accelerated during the past year, particularly relative to the nation (Figure 2).
New Jersey’s location in the heart of the Northeast Corridor is one of its greatest assets. The region is home to numerous bedroom communities for large employment centers and its economy benefits from income earned in other states and spent within New Jersey’s borders. Proximity to the large and relatively wealthy population in the Northeast supports a large logistics and distribution sector, which continues to flourish with an influx of e-commerce ventures. Jersey City and Hoboken have been steadily attracting residents and businesses from Manhattan, touting lower real estate costs and an attractive quality of life with easy public transit into the city.
The interplay between New York City and Northern New Jersey is also fueling an infrastructure spending boom on bridges and improved rail lines that will eventually pump billions of dollars into the local economy and improve mobility within the region.”
https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/assets/pdf/commercial/insights/economics/regional-reports/nj-economic-outlook-20160830.pdf
3b says:
November 22, 2016 at 12:03 pm
Mr. Hughes is a well respected economist from nj s largest public university system. And his salary is paid by the state. I wonder how detailing how gloomy New Jersey s economic outlook is pressures him to maintain his position?? You would think it would be the exact opposite!! And he is not old and has biases!!! Biases!! Talk about pot kettle and black!!
3b, if you don’t read the whole thing, please at least read this and understand nj will never be held down for long due to its location. It’s a premiere location in the united states with a highly educated citizenship. How exactly could you claim nj is dead based on this? It’s actually laughable that so many idiots think nj is dying.
“New Jersey’s location in the heart of the Northeast Corridor is one of its greatest assets. The region is home to numerous bedroom communities for large employment centers and its economy benefits from income earned in other states and spent within New Jersey’s borders. Proximity to the large and relatively wealthy population in the
Northeast supports a large logistics and distribution sector, which continues to flourish with an influx of e-commerce ventures. Jersey City and Hoboken have been steadily attracting residents and businesses from Manhattan, touting lower real estate costs and an attractive quality of life with easy public transit into the city.
The interplay between New York City and Northern New Jersey is also fueling an infrastructure spending boom on bridges and improved rail lines that will eventually pump billions of dollars into the local economy and improve mobility within the region.”
Con’t [12:04];
And she says that we are all N@zi’s because some N@zi somewhere also voted for Trump — Bnll$hi!t, and while we’re at it, Fnck her. See what I posted earlier about there being 50x as many media stories about white supremacists as there ARE white supremacists.
You Are Still Crying Wolf
Yeah….good video from her perspective. Kinda short shrifted all the Clinton Admin indiscretions, poo poohed Secretary of State issues, and I believe the KKK always votes Republican, oh, except for the 100 years they always voted Democrat in the South….
Too much Pumpkin. Happy Thanksgiving all. Enjoy your families.
Moose, face it, you are the MVP for team red and don’t even realize it. Let’s try to prove me wrong, give me one negative statement about team red.
Lefty, it’s not a one way street. Why does other view points piss you off so much, ESP anything that presents nj in a positive light. Why so much hate for jersey? Was your ex wife originally from jersey, hence, the source of your hate for jersey?
Other points of view are based solely on the fact that someone purchased a house in Wayne. Therefore all is viewed through that prism and that alone.
Pumps, face it, you are a bench player for team double digit IQ.
joyce – besides calling cops pigs, you also used expletives to insult judges and even suggested a method by which you would like to see them die. Maybe that will help you with your search. You definitely are NOT the law and order poster around here.
Dear Tess Rafferty,
You lost.
Seems that this Above The Law writer was p.o’ed that Trump was able to skate on the Trump U lawsuit so easily:
http://abovethelaw.com/2016/11/trump-settles-fraud-case-and-zomg-he-said-something-on-twitter/
“We, sir, we are the diverse America ,who do not bother to vote, but who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration …”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3959536/Some-stars-Hamilton-haven-t-voted-years-despite-clash-vice-president-elect-Mike-Pence-booed-audience.html
“Lefty, it’s not a one way street. Why does other view points piss you off so much, ESP anything that presents nj in a positive light. Why so much hate for jersey? Was your ex wife originally from jersey, hence, the source of your hate for jersey?”
LOL, nice try lightweight.
BTW, my jersey moment pickup story was a positive for the State. Near total lack of enforcement of speeding laws is one benefit of living here.
Night, punkin’. Go back to your uber-responsibility of moving papers from the Inbox to the Outbox, and get ready to be replaced in a few years by a twenty something so you can complete the transition from young and clueless to middle aged and bitter. There’s an orange apron with your name on it. Remember, “plumbing is in aisle 15” and smile when you greet incoming customers.
Pumkin got depoed.
What would it take … blind obedience per your recommendations?
The Original NJ ExPat says:
November 22, 2016 at 1:36 pm
joyce – besides calling cops pigs, you also used expletives to insult judges and even suggested a method by which you would like to see them die. Maybe that will help you with your search. You definitely are NOT the law and order poster around here.
Joyce – This seems like a snarky answer…except I don’t remember asking any questions.
What would it take … blind obedience per your recommendations?
As far as cost of NYC police, numbers may be close, I had to pay $150 an hour for town cops for my carnival. Assume $200 for NYC, all work is OT of course. Each 1 cop unit for 24 hours x 365 days is $1,750,000 annually…
Where young college graduates move to. (Spoiler..it isn’t NY/NJ)
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/upshot/the-states-that-college-graduates-are-most-likely-to-leave.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&referer=https://t.co/FUFlLVwhKV
It’s a snarky question.
I found the original posts we made, and I think you’re comments today are way over the top. Did you use the phrase ‘human lie detector’? No. You said they were experts so I with (call it snark or sarcasm) coined that phrase. You said I twisted your words. Really? You really think I misrepresented you? Should I pull an Expat right now and throw in a political jab like ‘what are you a liberal and can’t take a little criticism do you need safe space?’ Should I have given you a trigger warning?
I find your responses today & yesterday a little dramatic. Especially considering this was included in my pig comment on the day in question:
The odds are stacked heavily against anyone who tries to fight the police whether justified or not. I have never encouraged anyone to resist, and I have never disagreed with you (or others here) when you’ve said compliance is your best strategy.
The Original NJ ExPat says:
November 22, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Joyce – This seems like a snarky answer…except I don’t remember asking any questions.
What would it take … blind obedience per your recommendations?
Not just a New Jersey or Illinois problem anymore. . . .
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/dealbook/dallas-pension-debt-threat-of-bankruptcy.html
Lost his Gourd [12:44];
Moose, face it, you are the MVP for team red and don’t even realize it.
By contrast, you aspire to be a nobody back-bencher on team Venezuela. It must be good to know you can always brighten up a place by leaving.
How long before the left complains about all of Trump’s vacation time. In other news. Weiner endorsed Hillary. That makes everyone on the left devious sex fiends as much as everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. Right?
God they are all the same.
Ironically, the election of Trump forestalls one event that I theorized could lead to the most credible dissolution episode since the Civil War.
I’ve said before that one of the events that could precipitate a real low intensity civil war in the form of calls for a Con-Con or even secession would be a federal bailout of big city public sector pensions. There’s a convoluted path toward that scenario but it is a lot shorter of a path than other events, IMHO.
Trump and the republicans are unlikely to approve any public sector pension bailout and will tell state legislators “you made your bed, now sleep in it.” This forces the pension funds and states to either address the shortfalls or kick the can down the road for another 4 years and hope for a democratic sweep. Any federal action now becomes the template so if the funds that won’t make it 4 years act now and the USG says tough noogies, the ones kicking the can may just stop doing so because they now know what to expect and cannot bank on things appreciably improving in 4 years time.
Just a theory but one that I was incorporating into a novel. That is, until The Donald utterly trashed all of my work by getting himself elected.
DFENS,
Interestingly, I think that the data set is skewed by states that produce a lot of college grads. For example, Massachusetts has an outflow of graduates but that is one of the state’s biggest industries and, consequently, grads are one of its biggest exports. In fact, I think Mass. is seeing population inflows. Further, it wasn’t clear in my brief read whether the measure is for net grads or just locally educated grads. Again, Mass. may lose more grads who go back home or to other cities, but it may gain just as many from other states.
Meh, what does it matter anyway?
God they are all the same.
Yep.
Jesus joyce – you are losing it. YOU said I said human lie detector.. I said that I said no such thing because, unlike you, I can remember what I said. YOU can’t even remember what you said yesterday:
Expat,
I know you’ve said in the past you think cops are human lie detectors, but with that pipe dream aside, they need an actual lawful reason to stop someone. Unless, the courts want to grant yet another heads they win tails you lose exception for their carelessness.
I said a year ago and today that cops are Experts at being told lies, not divining truth. Unlike you, I am consistent. You are nowhere near.
I found the original posts we made, and I think you’re[sic] comments today are way over the top. Did you use the phrase ‘human lie detector’? No. You said they were experts so I with (call it snark or sarcasm) coined that phrase. You said I twisted your words. Really? You really think I misrepresented you?
Me:
The Original NJ ExPat says:
November 11, 2015 at 8:22 pm
from yesterday – joyce – I think perhaps you have not been in enough of these situations to understand the context; and that’s a good thing. I have an illustrious enough past that I have a lot of experience from the John Q. Public side of things. Here is my best advice to anyone interacting with cops: 1. Comply with all requests they make of you. 2. Tell the truth. I have done this so many times in my youth that I quickly realized that it’s a winning strategy. Think about a cop who pulls a car over. Think about how many lies they have been told. Think about how much experience they have in sorting wheat from chaff. I have told a cop that I had 6 drinks at a bowling party and been let go. I have told a cop that I was going 30 mph over the speed limit and been let go. I have told a cop that, “You know how sometimes the right car just makes you do the wrong things?” and been let go. If you do not have a dead hooker in the trunk, your best, best, best, option is being respectful and tell the truth. It’s such a lost art that most cops, who are absolute *EXPERTS* in being lied to, that you are instantly ingratiated to them when they recognize you as one of those freaks who actually shows them respect and goes a step further by telling the truth! As a white guy for whom this always works out well, I can only imagine that if you were a minority who dared do this, the cop might be so astounded at this incredible story he’s going to tell his buddies about at the bar that he might give you 20 dollars walking around money and encourage you to tell your story to your friends, and then let you go as well.
You(joyce)
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The odds are stacked heavily against anyone who tries to fight the police whether justified or not. I have never encouraged anyone to resist, and I have never disagreed with you (or others here) when you’ve said compliance is your best strategy.
I couldn’t disagree more with more about admitting to drinking if you get pulled over. You just handed them probable cause on a silver platter to conduct a field sobriety test and/or a breath or blood test. Your best bet in that situation OR ANY situation is to keep your mouth shut when dealing with the cops. If you’ve admitting to drinking and had success, I tip my hat to you. I also don’t advocate drinking and driving, but if in that situation don’t admit to it!
Regarding that article, there’s no defending the actions of the police nor the INSANE ruling by the kangaroos.
PS. I also think you heavily overestimate the cognitive abilities of the average pig.
Nasty woman.
joyce says:
November 10, 2015 at 2:01 pm
The Supreme Court ruled Monday that officers are immune from lawsuits unless it is “beyond debate” that a shooting was unjustified and clearly unreasonable.
http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/high-court-makes-it-harder-to-sue-police-for-using-deadly-force-in-chases/
wouldn’t be a bad thing if these a-holes in robes drove off a cliff in the near future
I think they should all show up. And bring guns.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/sawant-says-trump-backers-have-flooded-office-in-calls-after-she-urged-protests/
It is every American’s right to bitch about their government I guess.
Yay freedom.
Yup, those are the comments.
And did you even read what I wrote today. admitting I was wrong on you using that phrase? You might not be used to it, but some people do admit it when they were wrong. I still don’t think it materially changes the points I made then or now, nor yours then or now.
“I said a year ago and today that cops are Experts at being told lies, not divining truth. Unlike you, I am consistent. You are nowhere near.”
Expat,
If someone is an expert at being told lies, what does that even mean? Does it mean they are an expert at recognizing when they’re being lied to? That’s what I took it to mean, and that’s what I think most would assume as well. If you’re an expert at recognizing when you’re being lied to, you would have to be able to recognize the opposite as well.
Should I just have said “It’s a distinction without a difference” and drop the mic and walk off stage like some do regulars here?
Joyce
“Should I just have said “It’s a distinction without a difference” and drop the mic and walk off stage like some do regulars here?”
Absolutely. Necessary to preserve one’s sanity when confronted with the inexplicable.
DFENS:
Reminded me of this from NY Mayor Lenny Clotch:
“Being miserable and treating other people like dirt is every New Yorker’s God-given right.”
The analogy I used earlier in the day is perfect, I think. If you get punched every day, you may or may not develop self-defense skills, but one thing is absolutely for sure, you’ve been punched a lot. Similarly, cops get lied to a lot, you indeed indicated that you would withhold the truth as your default behavior. They’ve heard all of the standard (untruthful) answers. “Ooooh, I’m sorry officer, I didn’t realize…”, “I had 1 beer….”, “No, she asked me to tie her up and put her back there.”, etc. I’m saying that there are certain things you can do to elevate yourself from the crowd, and I’m a one trick pony when it comes to this. I *simply* assume they are professionals and I treat them that way. I’m sure I’ve had encounters with cops less than a 100 times, but they hit that public encounters number in way under a month, every single month. How many of those previous 100 over the last 3 weeks gave them a speed that matched the radar gun? How many of the previous 100 late night stops told them they had 0 to 1 beers? Hell, if I was trying to bullsh1t a supermarket stock boy on my first day of work, he’d probably figure me out too. Cops live their lives somewhere between guarded and PTSD. In a room they don’t know, they will naturally move to a place where there is only a wall behind them, no people. The first thing I want when I encounter a cop is for him to not be afraid of me, so I follow his orders. The second thing I want is for him to like me, so I tell him the truth. I can tell you that I’ve even been pulled over with an expired license and been let go, and that was after racing a guy from a stop light. Another time, I accelerated away from a State Trooper on a windy two lane road because I didn’t know it was a state Trooper, I just thought is was a guy wanted to pass me on the right, so I downshifted accelerated fast, and pulled in front of him so he would have to pass me on the left. No ticket. Another tip, for guys, always get your DL picture taken with a white shirt and tie, no jacket. No matter what you look like when you get pulled over, they get back in their cruiser with that picture of you while they are calling it in. I got pulled over a bunch of times in ’97-’98 when we first moved to NE, no tickets. I went on a long hiatus but was pulled over in the last couple years, no ticket. I’m pretty sure I got my last ticket in 1997 speeding up toward Route 80 in Clifton or Paterson on what is now Route 19 (right, used to be one of the Route 20’s?). It my was my first day of work in Hauppauge, Long Island and I was a little off my game.
Expat,
If someone is an expert at being told lies, what does that even mean? Does it mean they are an expert at recognizing when they’re being lied to? That’s what I took it to mean, and that’s what I think most would assume as well. If you’re an expert at recognizing when you’re being lied to, you would have to be able to recognize the opposite as well.
Correction, Spring ’96, that was my last ticket, and I was on a pretty good streak until ’96. I did get put in the Glen Ridge pokey in ’87 for speeding down Glen Ridge Ave (it was the day after my radar detector was stolen). I even saw the cruiser but didn’t react because my (absent) radar detector never went off. That Glen Ridge cop was the first one to figure out that I had two NJ DL’s with only a 1 digit difference. I was just figuring out my game back then. Two DL’s = a lie. You go a lot further with the truth.
Great stories.
I said people should “say nothing” as in withhold everything not just the truth. Should I accuse you of twisting my words and working for CNN?
The Original NJ ExPat says:
November 22, 2016 at 5:15 pm
“…you indeed indicated that you would withhold the truth as your default behavior.”
One thing I know about joyce: she(?) really hates cops.
One thing I know about lost/pumpkin/mike: he is truly an idiot.
One thing I know about turd: he’s really cheap.
One thing I know about Eddie: he’s behind Trump
One thing I know about Grim: he’s really smart but doesn’t show it off on the board
One thing I know about Nom: he’s really smart and likes to show it off
One thing I know about No One: he shouldn’t waste his time posting, but sometimes does
Post of the day!
I’m younger than you guys, but this is what this election has taught me. They are all the same and just attack each other from hypocritical positions. This “team” crap is insane and I can’t believe this is how complex societies are guided(or played). I wish I would have listened to you a lot earlier when I started following this blog.
Good example of the insanity. You have one team that puts down immigration in the public eye, but behind the scenes they are lobbying to keep the illegal immigration labor laws from becoming too harsh. Meaning, on one hand, they are against illegal immigration, but on the other, selfish human nature takes over and they employ the illegal immigrants to save a buck. So to put it this way, we would have no illegal immigration problem if people stopped hiring them and giving them opportunities. You don’t need laws for this, just people that will stop hiring them for their own monetary gain.
Steamturd, Hate Trumps Cankles says:
November 22, 2016 at 3:16 pm
How long before the left complains about all of Trump’s vacation time. In other news. Weiner endorsed Hillary. That makes everyone on the left devious sex fiends as much as everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. Right?
God they are all the same.
Yeah, but your best thinking is obviously far in the rearview mirror. I’m 1/4 Polish, I’ve seen the symptoms before. You probably peaked two years before Nana took pity on your future.
I’m younger than you guys
joyce – Somehow I can’t picture you having the discipline to enter “say nothing” mode. I imagine your body language alone would piss off cops, even in a vacuum where no sound can be transmitted.
Great stories.
I said people should “say nothing” as in withhold everything not just the truth. Should I accuse you of twisting my words and working for CNN?
Back when I used to drive a mustang that was hot-rodded, I would get pulled over a lot based on principle. Truth is, I never drove that fast and certainly didn’t go as fast as I could. I got maybe 6 or 7 tickets in my youth until I hit about age 23. Then all of the sudden, whenever I got pulled over, I just starting telling them exactly what I did and never got a ticket ever again. Basically read the tip of the internet on a forum and gave it a shot.
Furthermore, when you get pulled over…this is basically what you do.
1. Turn your inside dome light on so they can see you
2. Roll all windows down
3. Turn the car off so they know you won’t try to drive away
4. Take the keys out and put them on the dashboard
5. Put your hands on the wheel so they can clearly see them
6. If you need to reach for anything, notify the cop prior to reaching to ask him if its ok
7. DON’T LIE and pretend you don’t know what you did
This is what they do for each other when they are pulled over as a professional courtesy. This is also what they instruct family members to do. You won’t get a ticket. I’ve got out of a lot of stupid crap like running red lights and 25 mph over the speed limit doing this. Cops really appreciate when you don’t treat them like idiots because most people do. They also can’t stand when you think you are a legal genius not admitting you went 15 mph over the speed limit.
These days, I have a family member gold card. I literally forgot to register my car because the registration was good for 6 years. Got pulled over a few months back. The cop just let me go and didn’t even bother running my plates.
No one
It’s not “really smart”. It’s wicked smaht. Ask ExPat
I haven’t had a moving violation besides vehicular trespassing (cutting through a hotel parking lot to cut the Holland Tunnel line) since I was 17. Though, I’m usually the 2nd quickest on the road. I never drive more than 14MPH over the limit and in residential areas, never 9MPH over. If I’m not in a rush in residential areas, I drive 5 over the limit typically and 25 in 25s. I have gotten out of around five speeding tickets by telling the cop that pulls me over that I never speed and somehow wasn’t paying close enough attention to my speed this one time. I also claim I can’t find my registration, but say the car is up to date and registered in my name. I tell them that I haven’t had a point on my license since I was 17 and that they should check my record if they don’t believe me. I am either given a warning or a ticket for not having my registration which has zero points and is a decent revenue generator for the police department. If I think I am still about to be issued a speeding ticket, I would mysteriously find my registration. But I’ve never had to do this. Captain Cheapo to the rescue!
I also should point out that I’ve never been an accident where I was found at fault (always hit by morons in parking lots) and I am very good a smelling the bacon. I know where all of the common traps are and always slow down for official U-turns and other hiding spots. I used to use my GPS and speed trap POIs to find the hidden cops. Now I use Waze and it’s pretty damn effective. You just have to watch out for the undercovers which are pretty easy to spot if you know what to look for.
Ben,
Don’t forget #8, volunteer the fact that you’ve had 5 drinks (or however many, if any) as per Expat’s advice.
“This is what they do for each other when they are pulled over as a professional courtesy. ”
Maybe some do, the minority. The rest just show their badge.
“This is also what they instruct family members to do.
Yeah, probably.
“These days, I have a family member gold card. I literally forgot to register my car because the registration was good for 6 years. Got pulled over a few months back. The cop just let me go and didn’t even bother running my plates.”
Respectfully, why were you surprised? I would understand your surprise if you DID get a ticket.
I guess I’ll add my resume as well – pulled over twice. One warning, one ticket, zero times did I go through any sort of charade to try and get out of it. Turn the engine off of course and had my papers ready, that’s it.
Expat, instead of going through a whole production in an attempt to get out of a ticket, – better strategy might be to become a better driver.
I still can’t believe those get out of jail free PBA cards are still legal!
“According to evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science, people who have liberal political views have higher IQs.
Here is the reasoning: Liberal beliefs go against humans’ evolutionary beliefs. In other words, being liberal would not have benefited our ancestors.”
No One says:
November 22, 2016 at 5:53 pm
One thing I know about joyce: she(?) really hates cops.
One thing I know about lost/pumpkin/mike: he is truly an idiot.
One thing I know about turd: he’s really cheap.
One thing I know about Eddie: he’s behind Trump
One thing I know about Grim: he’s really smart but doesn’t show it off on the board
One thing I know about Nom: he’s really smart and likes to show it off
One thing I know about No One: he shouldn’t waste his time posting, but sometimes does
Offering this without comment. Just watch this space.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/23/computer-scientists-say-trump-may-hacked-voting-machines-demand-recount/
Stu,
I think you should remember me from a GTG a while ago.
15 years in the country (legally, citizent now), zero accident and zero tickets. Was pulled over once for going over 7 mph near my old rental home years ago. And yes, voted Trump.
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I also should point out that I’ve never been an accident where I was found at fault (always hit by morons in parking lots) and I am very good a smelling the bacon. I know where all of the common traps are and always slow down for official U-turns and other hiding spots. I used to use my GPS and speed trap POIs to find the hidden cops. Now I use Waze and it’s pretty damn effective. You just have to watch out for the undercovers which are pretty easy to spot if you know what to look for.
“It seems that it is also hard to find a good proofreader.”
At least my job does not rely on my proofing ability so I’m safe.
Those that said that Hillary would throw the left under the bus? This is going to get interesting. We are heading for the right wing administration with the CIC off the reservation. Interesting times indeed.
http://www.iflscience.com/environment/presidentelect-donald-trump-appears-to-have-done-a-uturn-on-climate-change/
“I still can’t believe those get out of jail free PBA cards are still legal!”
I have one from the Bergen Co Sheriff. He moved from the GOP to the Dems so I wonder if its still good. He won re-election and I think the Blue Line was behind him.
Last time I went to traffic court I detected a subtle difference. I was up for failing to yield to a pedestrian on a crosswalk. The junction was one of those 5 corners, the road swings left and the pedestrian was off at the start of the crosswalk down a hill on the left. The new law is very complicated, and the cop was using the old law. So I printed a picture of the junction with a big photo shopped arrow, showing where the pedestrian had to be in the junction before I could get a ticket.
So I land in court, first up I run into one of my corporate consul. They are in Traffic court and they did very badly. They broke out the check book.
I get called into prosecutor and get to sit in the broken chair where he can look down on me. I say “Give me a Seat belt” , i’l pay the fine and we’ll go home. He says he’s not allowed those anymore.
So I go out and sit. Next I’m called in with the prosecutor and cop. I get whole, you’re guilty spiel, how can you defend yourself. I pass over the photos, I discuss the law and I leave.
I’m sitting in the court room and the chief of police peeks in with the cop looks at me and disappears.
Finally I get called and the Judge looks at the paperwork and he’s pissed. Prosecutor is dismissing. He’s been on the bench solid since we opened so he has not had a chance to talk to the prosecutor, so he starts in on me. I say I had a chat with the officer and the prosecutor om the interpretation of this very complex law and left it a that.
I walked. but what i did take, is that there is more scrutiny and accountability and people are protecting their pensions. If the guy gives me a seat belt we are done, if not, then sit back, I’ve been to that rodeo.
Gary,
Suspect this overtime rule does not apply to you., so you’re good.
http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/21/20-million-trump-voters-set-take-huge-pay-cut-republican-plan/
Rory the closet Tory,
“At least my job does not rely on my proofing ability so I’m safe.”
But it undermines that veneer of erudition that you worked so hard to cultivate. And now I question your knowledge of Kant, Rousseau, Marx, and Hegel, of Euclidean geometry and civil engineering. Next you’ll tell us that you didn’t attend university at Cambridge or Oxford.
Yes, I said Hillary would throw the left under the bus. But we can’t know that, can we? She didn’t win.
If you want to pick on a prediction, pick on that. I never dreamed Trump could win.
Joyce – Respecting the officer and telling the truth might seem like a “whole production” to you, but it comes very easily to me. I guess it’s a matter of whether respect and honesty comes easily to you or not. I suspect these traits may be real calorie burners for you.
Expat, instead of going through a whole production in an attempt to get out of a ticket, – better strategy might be to become a better driver.
Lib – It sounds like we drive a lot alike. Now that cruise controls work at lower speeds I do exactly 25 in 25s too, and I do the same for 30s, and also 35s in areas I don’t know. I’m also pretty good at smelling the bacon. On the highway I tend to do 12mph above instead of 14mph unless that is slower than everyone else. Waze is pretty great and I think it has slowed me down. Since Waze is great at predicting your arrival time it also teaches you how little is to be gained by going 80mph in a 55mph zone like the Merritt Parkway and also how one extra bathroom stop for your wife or kids completely kills all your speeding gains, so why bother?
I remember the good old days when it was mostly Crown Vics and you could see the extra thick roll bar under the differential from the rear and the different color marker lights (clear instead of amber?) from ahead in your rearview. I used to drive a real sleeper ’77 Camaro with a worked engine and a 4 speed Hurst shifter, sport suspension, Bilstein shocks. Plain silver with no stripes, decals, wings, fins, scoops, etc. It didn’t even have sport mirrors, just a normal chrome driver’s side mirror. I think as soon as a cop pulled me over and came to my window I was almost out of the ticket. Why? Pristine and clean black interior and a short-haired, clean-cut driver with a DL that had a pic with white shirt and tie. Every cop expected to see a ratty interior, filled with fast food waste, smelling of Marlboros and missing docs. As we got into the late 90’s and early 2000’s cops suspected that car even more because there were not that many on the road anymore. I was once pulled over in the middle of the day in NH in that car and the cop turned on his PA and requested that I roll down my window and put both my hands outside of the car where he could see them before he approached. I complied. I knew what he was thinking. gun. That time I wasn’t even doing anything but I spotted the cop early behind me and he said he pulled me over because my registration was overdue but mainly because I looked suspicious for doing exactly the speed limit. I showed him I had my new reg stickers in the console and just hadn’t put them on yet. No ticket.
You just have to watch out for the undercovers which are pretty easy to spot if you know what to look for.
I’d love to hear your explanation of how anything I’ve done or recommended doing while pulled over is disrespectful. I’m all ears. Once again, I’ll ask a “snarky” question, perhaps you’ll answer it this time – does showing respect mean blind obedience?
Oh and I want to hear more stories about you telling the cop on the side of the road how many drinks you’ve had.
The Original NJ ExPat says:
November 23, 2016 at 1:02 am
Joyce – Respecting the officer and telling the truth might seem like a “whole production” to you, but it comes very easily to me. I guess it’s a matter of whether respect and honesty comes easily to you or not. I suspect these traits may be real calorie burners for you.