From NJ101.5:
4 COUNTIES IN NJ HAVE HIGHEST PROPERTY TAXES IN THE NATION
Just in case you’ve forgotten, a new analysis from real-estate tracker ATTOM Data Solutions reminds us that New Jersey homeowners are paying the highest property taxes in the nation — both in absolute numbers and as a percentage of home value.
The company’s analysis of single-family homes in 2017 recorded an average property tax of $8,696 in the Garden State, compared to a nationwide average of $3,399. Connecticut posted the second-highest average at $7,105.
Mirroring the country, average property taxes in New Jersey jumped 3 percent from 2016.
At 2.28 percent, New Jersey posted the highest effective property tax rate. That’s close to double the national average of 1.17 percent.
The analysis spotted nine counties nationwide with average property taxes above $10,000. Four of them can be found in New Jersey — Essex, Bergen, Union and Morris.
Every New Jersey county recorded an average property tax rate higher than the national average.
Must read on left wing influencer eichenwald. Lol
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-04/kurt-eichenwald-bullies-parkland-survivor-then-finds-out-hes-unemployed
No One,
Now I just lost my coffee!. I can picture his business card. ”
Judge N, Laws N’ Sh1t!”
“Latrines Falls, my specialty”
The point is, that the Gulch is a one dimensional, just ideological Nirvana for some. But it fails on the basic realities of life.
I never knew who this person was or why one of our serial retweeters thought he mattered.
Made it maybe halfway through the above link and still had the above questions. And still don’t care if they’re ever answered
There’s another book here in the station by Rand titled, “Fountain Head.” I think it’s her earlier work. I’m excited about diving into “Atlas Shrugged.” I’m reading “Dune” right now so I want to finish that one first. A lot of you guys said you read AS when you were younger, probably a time when logic and hard work was a teaching tool, unlike today. Typing from cell but you get the gist. I’m excited to read it.
small price to pay to keep extreme right wingers down south
$20k for top notch public education is actually cheap
“At 2.28 percent, New Jersey posted the highest effective property tax rate. That’s close to double the national average of 1.17 percent.”
Hey genius
Texas property taxes are almost as bad as New Jersey’s, but we don’t have a state income tax on top of it too.
Sales tax is also 8.25% and everything but unprepared food gets taxed.
By the way, Showtime has a new documentary called Operation Odessa.
Highly recommended. It probably fits the bill of many readers here.
Hookers, blow, economic collapse, russians, cubans, colombians, miami, naked fat guys in saunas, military helicopters and subs for sale, and the feds.
By the way the cuban guy – is a very likely originally cuban intelligence that went rogue (Castro sent a lot of spy during Mariel), no one spoke german in cuba unless had to deal with the Stasi, you know who speaks german – Putin.
Grim..
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/wayne/2018/04/05/senior-housing-complex-eyed-cost-cutters-tract-wayne/486236002/?from=new-cookie
Wayne is more interested in housing nearly dead people than attracting young residents.
Death knell.
Hope you aren’t in too deep on your house. I’m not.
The public schools are way over rated in New Jersey. We have had this discussion countless times.
Grim maybe because a lot of these young people don’t want to move to Wayne or any other dull north jersey suburban town. On the train again this morning and same scenario almost everyone on the train well north of 40. Then I got off the train and more of the same getting off all the other trains old people. Oh and the terminal had trash everywhere on the platform unemptied trash cans a real mess. Historic Hoboken terminal my arse!!
Eichenwald is who the board lefties wish they could be someday.
” Oh and the terminal had trash everywhere on the platform unemptied trash cans a real mess. ”
Yet there are constantly 5 track workers (in reflective vests) people watching and chewing the fat with conductors every time I walk from my train to the PATH. Lord knows their union makes it illegal for them to empty the trash. Better they do nothing. Pensions for everyone. Heck, when I walk through our plant in Union, if I see litter on the floor, I pick it up. I try to set the example. You have no idea how much respect this garners among the blue collared crew who take pride in their workspace. I wonder what the pride in the NJ Transit workspace is like?
Why is a 55 and over community, or more generally less kids in school, bad for a town economically (social and other considerations aside)?
It adds to the tax base and typically does not add to school costs which account for roughly half of a town’s taxes.
Of course this assumes that school cost per student is fixed and doesn’t grow from 15k/student to 19k/student as it has in Wayne, which is another issue entirely.
I, for one, welcome the 55+ set. Of course, I’m only in it for the early-bird specials. Ever go out to eat in Broward County in Florida? Order before 5:30 and it’s like you jumped in a time machine back to 1975.
Why is a 55 and over community, or more generally less kids in school, bad for a town economically (social and other considerations aside)?
Non-attractive workforce who will eventually die, limited income so they aren’t spending in the local economy, and if we aren’t attracting younger generations, these age-restricted retirement units will eventually go into disrepair and be empty.
It’s trading long-term success for short-term development. Wayne is already in a position where we will need to start considering closing an elementary school in the next few years, maybe even a middle school.
Of course this assumes that school cost per student is fixed and doesn’t grow from 15k/student to 19k/student as it has in Wayne, which is another issue entirely.
It grew from 15k to 19k, because enrollment fell off a cliff and spending stayed the same. Which is why cutting staff and mothballing a school needs to be considered now.
Wayne 1st Grade Enrollment
2000-01 – 638
2010-11 – 580
2016-17 – 511
11.9% decline in enrollment since 2010, which is going to trickle up across 12 grades.
We’re talking EASY 1000 fewer students in the next 10 years. If you look at the 20% decline since 2000, we’re talking down 2000 students in the next decade.
This is catestrophic.
Lib and they don’t bother to open the gate on a platform after a train has departed but just stand there and watch all the passengers try to exit from one gate.
Grim in my town it is or was the opposite grammar schools are packed especially the one next to the big apartment complex. And we have kids from outside of town attending too but we can’t talk about that.
And if school enrollments are going down in Wayne and other towns like Franklin Lakes what exactly then is the draw of suburbs for young people.
Smaller class sizes. We still need every staff member! Pay. Pay. Pay!
Problem is….old people won’t leave. Doesn’t help that they are living much longer too.
3b says:
April 5, 2018 at 10:03 am
And if school enrollments are going down in Wayne and other towns like Franklin Lakes what exactly then is the draw of suburbs for young people.
There are a lot of decent houses in wayne, but not worth the taxes in my opinion.
As the house prices decline and the taxes go up – this will present an even worse situation.
I see Kinnelon as a town that has this issue big time already.
I’m still not seeing the downside IF school spending per student remains the same and school spending declines with loss of students.
Not catastrophic but rather a positive on the tax balance sheet.
Of course in a town like Wayne you would need to close an elementary school, which has been floated(Ryerson), but the cost of re-opening a school if students trend up again has been cited as one reason not to do this.
Also, old people die off, sure, but there are plenty of boomers ready to take their place.
And an upscale 55+ community could attract retirees with some wealth/spending potential?!
If the district enrollment went down, they would RIF the teachers and create more admin positions.
Are these young families moving to southern states and/or more affordable areas?
Young folks I know are moving to Clifton, Rutherford, Lyndhurst, Nutley, Belleville, Bloomfield, etc
Mike S. (exactly). Montclair is overpriced. Hence, why I am bailing. Open house next week. Get in while the going is hot!
If a town doesn’t have a respected school system, or a great location for ease of commute to nyc or being a shore town, or having a safe walkable downtown, or prestige factor like short hills or rumson, ain’t nobody want to live there who can afford other options.
nwnj – LOL!!! I never even knew who Eichenwald was, I only know the name from a certain someone who retweets him with one hand while pleasuring himself with the other here. Now I know who both of them are: a mess.
Must read on left wing influencer eichenwald. Lol
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-04/kurt-eichenwald-bullies-parkland-survivor-then-finds-out-hes-unemployed
I think Moana went to Paris on Spring Break. He heard there was a Disney Park there and wanted to get some culture from it.
The first I ever heard of AS was not too many years ago, on a podcast, so it wasn’t that long ago. The podcast was about Albert Ruddy (producer of The Godfather and his personal interaction with Rand to obtain the rights to make an AS movie.
Here’s why the movie was never made in the ’70’s:
For some time, Ruddy worked with writer-philosopher Ayn Rand to produce her epic dystopic novel Atlas Shrugged as a movie, the rights to which he purchased in the mid-1970s, but the movie never moved beyond the planning stages.Rand demanded unprecedented final script approval, which Ruddy agreed to. However, her friends pointed out that Ruddy could shoot the approved script but still leave all her speeches on the cutting room floor. Rand asked for final editing approval, which neither Ruddy nor the director had the power to give her so she responded by withdrawing her support from the film and vowing to ensure that Ruddy was never involved in any adaptation of her novel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_S._Ruddy
There’s another book here in the station by Rand titled, “Fountain Head.” I think it’s her earlier work. I’m excited about diving into “Atlas Shrugged.” I’m reading “Dune” right now so I want to finish that one first. A lot of you guys said you read AS when you were younger, probably a time when logic and hard work was a teaching tool, unlike today. Typing from cell but you get the gist. I’m excited to read it.
http://www.advertisernewsnorth.com/article/20170405/NEWS01/170409978/Vernon-to-reconfigure-schools
Vernon enrollment down 39% in 10 years. No school closings. No RIF.
You left out hot chicks, though I guess you can find a couple anywhere.
My FIL used to always say he hated small towns. His reasoning was, and I think this is close to verbatim, “All of the pretty women and smart men leave, endlessly deteriorating the gene pool.”
If a town doesn’t have a respected school system, or a great location for ease of commute to nyc or being a shore town, or having a safe walkable downtown, or prestige factor like short hills or rumson, ain’t nobody want to live there who can afford other options.
I might need to sell this rally.
http://www.advertisernewsnorth.com/article/20170405/NEWS01/170409978/Vernon-to-reconfigure-schools
Vernon enrollment down 39% in 10 years. No school closings. No RIF.
Can’t state for sure but it is likely that they didn’t need to due to retirements. A lot of people fast tracked retirement the past 10 years in anticipation of pension changes.
Re culture and Disney Park, so far so good kids only want to go to our private water park and one day at Universal Studios. I am half tempted to spend the money I have saved so far at Machine Gun America. I have never fired a belt fed saw, I just want to scream git some while the casings hit the floor.
The man card fire 12 different weapoms and 345 rounds all for the low price of 799.99
https://machinegunamericaorlando.com/experiences-new/
On the subject of Property Tax
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/americas-new-great-migration-in-search-of-lower-property-taxes-2018-04-05
“A lot of people fast tracked retirement the past 10 years in anticipation of pension changes.”
I can vouch for that in Montclair. The problem with this is the school system does not adjust their budget accordingly. One teacher making 100K is then replaced by two teachers making 50K each. Why? Well they’ll never adjust the budget lower. NEVER! And those occasional years in which the revenue goes up? The budget goes up to match due to, “Remember the lean years when we had to let go of the bus aides or paras?” We need them back!
Rand’s heroes continually oppose “parasites”, “looters”, and “moochers” who demand the benefits of the heroes’ labor. Edward Younkins describes Atlas Shrugged as “an apocalyptic vision of the last stages of conflict between two classes of humanity—the looters and the non-looters. The looters are proponents of high taxation, big labor, government ownership, government spending, government planning, regulation, and redistribution”
“Moochers” are Rand’s depiction of those unable to produce value themselves, who demand others’ earnings on behalf of the needy, but resent the talented upon whom they depend, and appeal to “moral right” while enabling the “lawful” seizure by governments.
Well, she definitely would have said “told you so” if she saw today’s version of the democrat party. What a visionary.
She was an incredible visionary. China is doing a lot of what she envisioned. Though trade makes it nearly impossible to try out in full scale.
“Vernon enrollment down 39% in 10 years. No school closings. No RIF.”
The Board Office is closed and the building is for sale because the board offices moved into Walnut Ridge with the preschool, so there is a net loss of one building. That building is in the center of town. Its for sale and will probably be sold for a commercial use and put on the tax rolls. All of the schools in town are in residential areas so if you closed one no one would buy it and it wouldn’t pay property tax.
Enrollment down over the last 10 years, but the incoming Preschool K and 1st grade class sizes have increased over the past 2-3 years, so it’s a sensible move to keep the school open. There is a trend that the parents of the incoming kids are getting younger, so they’ll probably crank out even more kids. Staff are retiring but more suits keep getting hired – that’s the real problem.
Speaking of female visionaries, Hillary Clinton recently said that the people who voted for her contributed 2/3 of the US GDP. She was exactly right. Unfortunately for “Her”, the 1/3 for US GDP that have the other half of the votes didn’t vote for “Her.”
When the Republicans win the midterms will Antifa still bang on glass they can’t seem to shatter or will they make the switch to bombs?
Define young people having children. The ones I know having kids are early 30s and more like mid 30s and up. And it’s one or two and done.
Early to mid 20s. Do you live in Vernon?
“Wayne 1st Grade Enrollment
2000-01 – 638
2010-11 – 580
2016-17 – 511…
This is catestrophic.”
Really bad. Forget the financial issues….if you don’t have young families moving in you don’t have a COMMUNITY. If not, what is there?
I’ve been to White Manna twice in the past 2 years. Wasn’t that impressed with the taste of the burgers. It’s more an experience. But poeple project their imagination on it.
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2018/04/best_burger_in_new_jersey_white_manna.html
“$20k for top notch public education is actually cheap”
It is if the end point of your education is HS.
Otherwise give me a better house for half the taxes elsewhere. I’ll take the 10k in savings, top it up a little bit, and enroll my kid in the best private school locally.
My kid will lap your kid in the college admissions merry-go-round. Oh and btw, grow up in a much more healthy and balanced environment.
In a heartbeat.
https://www.niche.com/k12/charlotte-latin-school-charlotte-nc/
Tiger Woods playing in his first major since 2015, when he was sidelined with a series of “back” injuries.
Baby’s got back.
Keep telling yourself it’s so special here.
I guess your only two choices are blanket denial or opioids. Given the 6a-8p door to door workday seems you need blanket denial.
Towns should be careful about selling schools versus mothballing them. Nearly every town I’ve lived in had to eventually build a new elementary school after selling an old one usually 10 to 20 years earlier. Of course, the cost to build the new school will always end up being 5 times more than the cost of maintaining the old school and the old school is never sold at a decent price since most buyers only want the land.
In Montclair, the township sold the Deron School for a little over one million. They paid 40 million (not counting interest), for its replacement.
When I was finishing up college I lived maybe 150 yards away from White Manna, the apartments just across the river on Cedar Lane in Teaneck (previously owned by FDU and used as on-campus housing). Drove by White Manna all the time, never went. Never knew a single FDU student who did.
And this is probably the reason nobody ever went to White Manna: Cedar Lane Grille ( a diner). CLG was probably less than 100 feet from our front door. Cheeseburger Deluxe, with fries, the freshest and most generous helping of lettuce and tomato: $3.25. From our kitchen window I could see the produce truck delivering fresh lettuce and tomatoes every morning at about 6AM. I can’t remember if CLG was open all night or just until 11PM. Either way, fantastic!
Cedar Lane Grille – Now an empty lot. So sad. If this link works, that’s my old kitchen window, the leftmost one with a fire escape.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8916705,-74.0320016,3a,75y,7.9h,81.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4yKCisKgWkFllsggIJ8izw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Honestly, 10,000 dollars a year is a big deal for you? A hot shot like yourself choosing to live in the less desirable location to save 10 to 20 grand in property taxes per year?
leftwing says:
April 5, 2018 at 3:00 pm
“$20k for top notch public education is actually cheap”
It is if the end point of your education is HS.
Otherwise give me a better house for half the taxes elsewhere. I’ll take the 10k in savings, top it up a little bit, and enroll my kid in the best private school locally.
My kid will lap your kid in the college admissions merry-go-round. Oh and btw, grow up in a much more healthy and balanced environment.
Cries about property taxes and blames 20k cost per student as the problem, then offers 22k private school in Carolina as the solution. Just another crazy conservative.
leftwing says:
April 5, 2018 at 3:01 pm
In a heartbeat.
https://www.niche.com/k12/charlotte-latin-school-charlotte-nc/
Background: Pumps didn’t graduate HS. He’s hoping his daughter is the first in his family to do so. Ok, yeah, yeah, his sister graduated, but she has a different last name now.
Honestly, 10,000 dollars a year is a big deal for you? A hot shot like yourself choosing to live in the less desirable location to save 10 to 20 grand in property taxes per year?
White Manna is like a slightly less greasy version of the White Castle. The taste is similar as both are steam grilled. Both suck. But the price is right! Back in my college days, there was a dorm tradition that went way back. It was a rat-burger eating contest. Four teams of four would have to finish 40 dry White Castles, (no pickles or ketchup) in a race. After eating your portion, you would have to down a 20 oz. glass of warm water. There was no requirement for each team member to eat 10 burgers, but what you didn’t eat would be left for the remaining team members. I held the white guy record with 18 (yeah, I was anchorman) in a little over three minutes. There was this huge half black/half Asian guy who ate his ten in under a minute. His name was Duane Chow-Yuk. He eventually got the dorm boot for having a hand gun in his room. There were all kind of records kept for this dumb competition and we charged at the door. Winning team kept half the proceeds. The rest went to a good cause (probably beer/pizza for the dorm). The elusive barrier was the five minute total which no team ever met when I was there. It took most teams between six and ten.
I had to look him up.
I see he lost a lot of weight as well as his driver’s license.
https://bustednewspaper.com/sc-horry-yuk-duane-chow-2018-01-24-015400/
Looks like he works at a cell phone store.
I love the internet.
So someone drove down to the WC on Piaget Ave in Clifton and special ordered them with no pickles or ketchup? That doesn’t seem like a problem as the pickles and ketchup were added last by somebody halfway lifting the top buns last. I imagine you couldn’t skip the onions though, right? Isn’t it the bed of onions that makes the whole steaming thing work?
Four teams of four would have to finish 40 dry White Castles, (no pickles or ketchup) in a race.
Bot no I do not live in Vernon. Unusual today at least in this part of the country that early 20 somethings are having kids.
Actually. Back then, there was a white castle where the DCH Acura dealer is at the corner of Pompton and Bloomfield Avenue in Verona too. I never did the pickup so I’m not sure which one they ordered them from. But if I recall, the onions were in the meat. The lukewarm water was the worst part actually. At least one kid would hurl each year. The best is when the anchorman hurled, because he would go right back to eating immediately after. College must be so different today.
If for 20k you got top notch education that would be one thing but at best in my opinion it’s mediocre perhaps my standards are too high. And my kids went to a blue ribbon one of the best schools in the county and state according to the rankings and I was not all that impressed. And when you compare SAT scores with surrounding non blue ribbon junky smelly towns the scores are comprable and some years actually higher in the junky smelly towns.
http://Www.njcommutersalliance.com
Lefrak and Mack-Cali behind this? Propose new highway to JC waterfront.
White manna was a religion to me because I grew up on them. Same goes for Rutts Hutt.
Rutts are good, but you can make any hot dog snap by frying them. We have one of those new air fryers. Hot dogs are awesome in them.
There’s a white manna (the one from the world’s fair in the 60’s), in JC too. Very similar burger too.
Expat, she’s wrong. Over 50 percent did not vote at all so she’s closer to one third
That alliance has to be Mack-Cali. The JC viaduct makes sense because it’s easy.
If there is any spot in NJ that requires fixing, it’s the GSP between Union up to Paramus tolls. Second place would be GSP between Union and Raritan tolls. They need to double deck the highway there and make upper deck express (no/limited exits). It’s by far the worst traffic spot in NJ, but the costs are too high for the authority to even think about fixing it. Instead, they spent a billion on salt sheds.
The commuter’s alliance logo kicks ass though. This is how you know it was funded by a realty company. If it was grass roots, it would look like this. https://www.firelandsrailstotrails.org/
Conor McGregor just flushed his career down the toilet
The Future of America’s Economy Looks a Lot Like Elkhart, Indiana – The Wall Street Journal
https://apple.news/AIWqlRzKVTNupnLC4WDoVdQ
McGregor made enough money on his last fight to clog the toilet.
Seriously the way he hoisted that barrier will only enhance his reputation.
“Moochers” are Rand’s depiction of those unable to produce value themselves, who demand others’ earnings on behalf of the needy, ”
So government redistribution of money is bad, but when Ragnar steals money and gives it to others its good. Think on that one.
Gary, I feel sorry for you on some ways. It is a hard book to read. It could be a third of the length and still make the same points. It has a sub cast that rivals War and Peace and lots of side plots that are pointless. If you get to the end with the same gusto and vigor, you seem to be starting out with, I’ll buy you a beer.
I forgot about the Verona White Castle. It closed in 1990. Here’s a picture of it:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/400398223096943653/
I didn’t know until my late 20’s that white castle has it’s own hot sauce. It tastes great on the onion rings. My kids are picky eaters. Neither has ever eaten a hamburger or a hot dog. They love WC chicken rings though. The only WC they’ve ever been to is on Piaget Ave, we’ll hit it at 3AM if I’m beating holiday traffic to NJ in the middle of the night. Otherwise we never come down to route 80 when we drive to NJ, we come down through Sussex instead.
Correct.
So government redistribution of money is bad
I recently came accross your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment.