From the Star Ledger:
The controversial ’rain tax’ bill designed for N.J. flood defense has been signed into law
Local authorities in New Jersey now have a new tool to manage stormwaters and flooding.
Gov. Phil Murphy on Monday signed into law the Clean Stormwater and Flood Reduction Act, which authorizes municipalities, counties and certain authorities in the state to establish stormwater utilities.
The goal of the move is to help local authorities prevent future flooding, and manage sources of runoff pollution. But opponents of the measure have long derided the effort as little more than a “rain tax.”
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If a town decides to create a stormwater utility, that utility would bill property owners based on the amount of impermeable surfaces like roofs and parking lots on their land. The goal of that fee system is to ensure that property owners are being charged proportionally based on their contribution to stormwater runoff. But it’s because of the potential for new utility fees that opponents of the new law, mostly Republicans, have labeled the measure a “rain tax.”
“This law adds yet another tax on our already overburdened residents and businesses, though there is no language to define how much people will be charged, how the funds will be collected or how the funds generated by it will actually address stormwater issues,” said Ray Cantor, the vice president of government affairs for the New Jersey Business and Industry Association.
It is unclear how much these new utilities, if created, would cost for property owners.
First ,,,
What’s the estimate to fix Paterson’s problematic stormwater/sewerage system?
$2 billion?
Republican towns simply will not allow this …….
I think the present system works fine. You just have to make sure you live above the falls.
In addition to Paterson, the following towns would be prime for creation of stormwater utilities due to the massive fiscal issues presented by their combined stormwater/sewerage systems.
Bayonne, Camden, East Newark, Elizabeth, Fort Lee, Gloucester, Guttenberg, Hackensack, Harrison, Jersey City, Kearny, Newark, Perth Amboy, Trenton, Union City, Ridgefield Park, Weehawken, West New York, etc.
I believe the total estimates for remediation are north of $8 billion, probably closer to $10-15 billion. If you thought that Gateway Tunnel was expensive, or Trump’s wall – NJ’s sh!t problem is even bigger.
In time for 4/20?
https://njbiz.com/legal-cannabis-bill-heads-full-floor-vote-next-week/
What day is vape day?
grim,
What do you think the law means for the coastal/barrier islands of Monmouth/Ocean/Cape May counties? The wealthier towns have large homes on medium-to-large lots, while the lesser areas (but still wealthy relatively speaking) have medium sizes homes on teeny-tiny lots.
Lib judging by many high schoolers, everyday…..
Cities are expensive to maintain….
Guess we are going to see people fleeing cities for the suburbs again?
grim says:
March 19, 2019 at 8:00 am
In addition to Paterson, the following towns would be prime for creation of stormwater utilities due to the massive fiscal issues presented by their combined stormwater/sewerage systems.
Bayonne, Camden, East Newark, Elizabeth, Fort Lee, Gloucester, Guttenberg, Hackensack, Harrison, Jersey City, Kearny, Newark, Perth Amboy, Trenton, Union City, Ridgefield Park, Weehawken, West New York, etc.
I believe the total estimates for remediation are north of $8 billion, probably closer to $10-15 billion. If you thought that Gateway Tunnel was expensive, or Trump’s wall – NJ’s sh!t problem is even bigger.
Ha. I have to pay a drainage fee in Texas. I think it’s $9 or so billed every month as part of the water bill.
Wake me up when nj passes a law that all homeowners who do a kitchen renovation have to attend a 12 hour course in food safety and maintaining a sanitary kitchen. Don’t laugh that’s probably on some progressives agenda.
What do you think the law means for the coastal/barrier islands of Monmouth/Ocean/Cape May counties? The wealthier towns have large homes on medium-to-large lots, while the lesser areas (but still wealthy relatively speaking) have medium sizes homes on teeny-tiny lots.
Not much, most of these towns have simplistic stormwater systems, and completely separate sewage systems. We’re not talking floodwater here.
Ha. I have to pay a drainage fee in Texas. I think it’s $9 or so billed every month as part of the water bill.
I thought most of NJ was already paying sewerage surcharges on their water bills, as an assumed usage based on the input water use.
Wayne has a lot of flooding problems.
All heroin highway houses should have to pay more money on their water bill.
Pumps, nothing to do with maintaining cities or providing services. All of these taxes are about maintaining and growing the patronage mills…..
Again something is really wrong when you pay a massive amount of property tax where 20% goes to a county which gives you nothing, 60% goes to schools, the state and county contribute nothing to schools and all of the funds go to subsidize Newark, a place with a port, an airport, office buildings, retail, a hockey arena, etc. Meanwhile individual homeowners not only have to pay the full cost of their schools but also need to send county dollars as well.
Wayne has a lot of flooding problems.
Wayne doesn’t have any real flooding problems, Wayne has a problem with vacation bungalows built in an active flood plain being used as permanent residences. However, a good portion of these have already been removed, with the remainder in the process of being removed. When they are torn down, the “flood problem” goes away. Of the 429 “repetitive loss” properties that existed a few years ago, 400 of them are slated to be removed once the work is complete.
Once these are gone, there will be more of a willingness to let the downstream flood plains flood as part of normal activity. I suspect the army corps may change the operation of upstream dams as downstream communities like Wayne, Totota, Pompton, etc remove the remainder of the homes.
I just found out that one of my friends, a smart woman, an attorney, doesn’t eat mammals. Stopped eating pigs in 1965 (age 11) and the rest of the mammals in 1985. Other than that, if it walks or swims, she eats it. Is there a name for that? (you can skip “hungry” and “crazy”)
Good to know.
I use to commute down rt23 and parts of the highway were closed after heavy rainfall.
Newark doesn’t have an unemployment problem, Newark has a problem with vacationing workers.
Wayne doesn’t have any real flooding problems, Wayne has a problem with vacation bungalows
There will be some Section 8 expansion, particularly on the double yellows.
Guess we are going to see people fleeing cities for the suburbs again?
I use to commute down rt23 and parts of the highway were closed after heavy rainfall.
Are you thinking of Pequannock and Wayne in 2011 (Hurricane Irene)? That’s pretty much the last time Rt 23 was closed as a result of heavy flooding.
Don’t forget Pequonnock and Lincoln Park.
I suspect the army corps may change the operation of upstream dams as downstream communities like Wayne, Totota[sic], Pompton, etc remove the remainder of the homes.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-news-google-maps-captures-mans-fall-20190318-story.html
Google Maps captures Hoboken renter crashing backwards off of stoop. Wonder if he sued landlord? It is wealthy family that wisely got into Hoboken real estate in 1970s. Impeccable timing. Beginning of half century run that keeps going.
Disgusting….
All those assets and newark still needs to survive on other people’s money. Really can’t make this stuff up. Suburbs with no assets other than hard working citizens have to step up and pay for these takers.
Can anyone explain to me why county govt even exists? What’s the purpose?
JCer says:
March 19, 2019 at 10:38 am
Pumps, nothing to do with maintaining cities or providing services. All of these taxes are about maintaining and growing the patronage mills…..
Again something is really wrong when you pay a massive amount of property tax where 20% goes to a county which gives you nothing, 60% goes to schools, the state and county contribute nothing to schools and all of the funds go to subsidize Newark, a place with a port, an airport, office buildings, retail, a hockey arena, etc. Meanwhile individual homeowners not only have to pay the full cost of their schools but also need to send county dollars as well.
The hurricanes were the worst of it. Even just heavy rainfall would cause commuting problems in that area.
County government is a waste of taxpayer money.
Wayne has vacation homes?
In time, people will forget about the river rats that once lived on top of the river in a flood plain. That’s the definition of idiocracy. Glad they have been bought out.
You might think this is nothing, but this is something:
https://www.wptv.com/news/national-politics/rep-devin-nunes-files-250m-lawsuit-against-twitter-over-devinnunesmom-devincow-parody-accounts
Here’s what’s going to go down: Twitter is going to get their feet held to the fire. They either have to allow everyone free, fair, unbiased, and UNCENSORED access OR…they are going to have to be regulated as a POLITICAL entity, a PUBLISHER of EDITED content.
“Can anyone explain to me why county govt even exists? What’s the purpose? ”
To build short-lived baseball stadiums to be demolished long before bonds for building it are paid off.
Pumps – You shouldn’t speak ill of your family. Sure, they are despicable, but they’re all you’ve got in your uneducated, uncredentialed world. Not everyone can drop out of high school and have their grandmother give them a house.
In time, people will forget about the river rats that once lived on top of the river in a flood plain. That’s the definition of idiocracy. Glad they have been bought out.
https://jerseydigs.com/new-details-released-bears-eagles-riverfront-stadium-site/
Right on the highway, too.
Wayne has vacation homes?
Climate change has caused increased suffering in Sub-Saharan Africa…. ooooooooooops!
In 2015, Imamura was the lead author on a paper in the medical journal the Lancet, which caused a stir in the world of nutrition science. This team of epidemiologists – based at Tufts University and led by Professor Dariush Mozaffarian – has been seeking to map the healthiness, or otherwise, of how people eat across the entire world, and how this changed in the 20 years between 1990 and 2010. The biggest surprise to come out of the data was that the highest-quality overall diets in the world are mostly to be found not in rich countries but in Africa, mostly in the sub-Saharan regions. The 10 countries with the healthiest diet patterns, listed in order with the healthiest first, came out as: Chad, Mali, Cameroon, Guyana, Tunisia, Sierra Leone, Laos, Nigeria, Guatemala, French Guiana.
Meanwhile, the 10 countries with the least healthy diet patterns, listed in order with the unhealthiest first, were: Armenia, Hungary, Belgium, USA, Russia, Iceland, Latvia, Brazil, Colombia, Australia.
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The idea that healthy diets can only be attained by rich countries is one of the food myths, Imamura says. He found that the populations of Sierra Leone, Mali and Chad have diets that are closer to what is specified in health guidelines than those of Germany or Russia. Diets in sub-Saharan Africa are unusually low in unhealthy items and high in healthy ones. If you want to find the people who eat the most wholegrains, you will either have to look to the affluent Nordic countries where they still eat rye bread or to the poor countries of sub-Saharan Africa, where nourishing grains such as sorghum, maize, millet and teff are made into healthy main dishes usually accompanied by some kind of stew, soup or relish.
Disgusting.
https://jerseydigs.com/new-details-released-bears-eagles-riverfront-stadium-site/
I think people who are close here will eventually ALL be living outside of NJ, only Pumps will be left and we can change the name to http://NJPumpsReport.com
9:34 oh yes folks life in NJ is about to get a whole lot mellower.
Pretty much every one of NJ’s lake or bungalow communities were built in the 10s, 20s, and 30s as summer retreats for city residents. Most were basic construction bungalows, small, sparce, and typically didn’t even have heat.
Sprawl consumed these communities, and some became low cost housing options (Hoffman Grove), some mid-priced, (Packanack Lake), and some very high priced (Mountain Lakes).
But all share the exact same starting point, these were vacation homes for well-to-do and middle class city residents looking to escape the summer heat.
The vast majority of these were never intended to be year-round accommodations. You could argue some of the highest priced communities more easily shifted – for example, the huge Hapgoods in Mountain Lakes. However, most of the small bungalow communities didn’t fare well – most were built very close to water, because it was ideal at the time. Flooding was an occasional nuisance. These were properties built at very low cost, in a time where there wasn’t much in the way of building code. We’re talking about the pre-zoning era, the pre-wetlands era. If you wanted to build a bungalow 15 feet from the Pompton or Passaic River – go for it.
The Vatican, the Chinese, etc. — they have a 5 year plan, a 10 year plan, a 50 year plan, a 100 year plan, etc.
The dopey Democrats have something like a 6 year plan…and it was horribly derailed in 2016. That’s why they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off, instead of running around like normal poultry. Republicans, OTOH, are seriously contemplating a plan as we speak.
While not limited to only these, any agencies with “… Development Authority” or “… Improvement Authority” is guaranteed to be corrupt.
Libturd, can’t say I didn’t warn you. says:
March 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm
https://jerseydigs.com/new-details-released-bears-eagles-riverfront-stadium-site/
Fantastic paper on NJ’s lake communities:
https://archive.org/stream/lakesidecommunit00stra/lakesidecommunit00stra_djvu.txt
Chifi,
I suspect that those scientists are operating with an incorrect specification of what a healthy diet actually is. Paleo guys would heartily disagree with the idea that more grains (whole or not) equals healthier diet.
But it’s good to hear that the Africans are starving less than they used to, in contrast to those folks from the 60s and 70s who predicted mass starvation, which only happens in s0c1alist and communist economies. But do save-the-world types warn about the dangers of such interventionists? Of course they do not, because it’s the altruist/collectivist moral ideal.
Huh. No mention whatsoever of Highland Lakes. Probably paid off the author so privileged white people can continue to park their cars with the keys in the ignition and leave their homes unlocked. Lots of hot waspy girls there too. Ask me how I know.
Fantastic paper on NJ’s lake communities:
https://archive.org/stream/lakesidecommunit00stra/lakesidecommunit00stra_djvu.txt
^^^Also no mention of the rampant racism in NJ lake communities.
Sorry sir, that’s not what they meant by universal basic income
https://twitter.com/darius_dk/status/1108033878634176515?s=21
Ask anyone over 50 years old who has any ties to lake communities in Northern New Jersey to complete this sentence, I bet they can. “If they want to live on a lake, let them go to _________”
Why is it when a video goes viral about NJ, it has to be one like that.
Pines Lake is absolutely beautiful. I’ll take that type of living over hoboken all day. Love jogging or taking a bike ride around that lake. It’s like I’m transported back in time. Hope it never becomes urbanized. Most people don’t even know this place exists in north jersey.
Here’s the part about Highland Lakes that should have been included in that report:
Located in northern New Jersey’s Sussex County, Highland Lakes is a private lake community that focuses on outdoor activities. The area, once rolling dairy farm hillsides, was developed in the 1930s as a summer retreat for families in the New York City Metropolitan area. Most of the homes are lake-style or log cabins, retaining most of the architecture of the original community. Many of what were once summer homes, are now the full-time residences of homeowners in Highland Lakes. Highland Lakes is made up of five lakes ((Highland Lake, East Highland Lake, Upper Highland Lake, Upper West Highland Lake, and Lake Wanda) that between them have seven beaches. Highland Lakes is governed by a private association that manages all property and access to recreational facilities, which include the lakes, beaches, playgrounds, tennis and basketball courts and clubhouse. All property owners pay an initiation fee and annual dues to the Highland Lakes Country Club and Community Association. Highland Lakes is located adjacent to the 34,350-acre Wawayanda State Park and near the Pequannock Watershed, which is a large parcel owned by the City of Newark in Essex County for their water supply.
I grew up in a “Crane” home in NW NJ. The town library had a museum that showcased indian artifacts found during construction of the community. It also showed the laws on the books at the time that forbade irish, italians and blacks from buying homes.
The Original NJ ExPat says:
March 19, 2019 at 1:36 pm
^^^Also no mention of the rampant racism in NJ lake communities.
Also no mention of the rampant racism in NJ lake communities.
No eyetalians – the paper covers it.
When you are transported back in time do you ever think about finishing high school?
Pines Lake is absolutely beautiful. I’ll take that type of living over hoboken all day. Love jogging or taking a bike ride around that lake. It’s like I’m transported back in time. Hope it never becomes urbanized. Most people don’t even know this place exists in north jersey.
I transported back in time more than once in the 80s.
D,
Obviously that dude bought a monthly.
Where do they mention all the heroin?
The duo of John R. Seckler and S. Clayton Sheppard were also active in northwest New Jersey. The pair built Lake Wallkill in 1929, Highland Lakes in 1933 and High Crest Lake in 1951.
https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2018/08/12/northern-nj-lake-communities-have-very-humble-beginnings/866653002/
grim – Think Jews.
No eyetalians – the paper covers it.
It was a Hillside bus.
I always laugh when I see this billboard on 78 and 22.
https://flic.kr/p/bem8N
My parents bought their first house in Fayson Lakes when I was an infant. Tiny bungalow that hasn’t been improved to this day, but it was a nice 3/4 acre lot. Not on the lake, but literally across a tiny, narrow street (trail?, that’s the suffix of our address) from the beach and tennis courts. I’m told that after my sister was born my parents used to pack us up during the Summer at 6AM and head out somewhere in the car, otherwise uninvited relatives from Clifton and Paterson would be there by 9AM or earlier.
^^^on Saturday, of course.
The answer is White Meadow Lake, a heavily Jewish community. Two thirds of my wedding party are Jewish and lived there. I actually never heard the phrase growing up, but my wife’s family built a Summer home at Green Pond and that was supposedly said a lot up there.
Ask anyone over 50 years old who has any ties to lake communities in Northern New Jersey to complete this sentence, I bet they can. “If they want to live on a lake, let them go to _________”
To have a nice lake you need a good watershed. Culver lake is one of the nicest I’ve been to. There are a few other pristine ones up that way. No thanks to the overfertilzed suburban cesspool swamp bogs loaded with goose crap that give you a rash whe you swim.
Interesting article about the history of White Meadow Lake
To understand how White Meadow was settled and exploited by the white settlers, it is necessary to know how and why this particular part of New Jersey came to be developed.
Geologically, White Meadow lies in that part of the world that is the oldest land on earth. Once as high as the Alps, this ancient land has been worn down to its present height by the erosion of some 500 million years. A black iron, known as magnetite, was formed in these mountains and when they weathered down to today’s dimensions, this iron was at or very near the surface. When the white man came, he found the native Americans knew this ore well. They called it Succasunna, or “black stone”.
Iron ore production and iron working were the chief support of settlers and workers in this area almost from the beginning.
https://www.whitemeadowlake.org/history
We spend our summers in Highland Lake, 6 kids in a small 2 bedroom house with a loft. My grandmothers lake front house is still in the family
I had a girlfriend who came from old money, but the family lost almost all of it during the Great Depression. Hilariously, the family found themselves over-invested in mink farms when the Depression* hit. The one property that they managed to hold on to was their cabin on Highland Lake, and my ex-girlfriend owns it today. She’s bounced her family fortune back, she married a rich business owner and they live in Stamford. As late as the late 1980’s her parents lived there (she’s since bought them a very big house nearby and has taken over the cabin as her own Summer home). During the late 1980’s they still parked all of their cars with the keys in the ignition and there was no lock whatsoever on the door.
*BTW, does anybody know where the name “Depression” came from? It was a euphemism. Previously large economic contractions were called “Panics”. The euphemism “Depression” was conjured up by the government/press to signify, “Oh, no, no, no! Don’t worry. It’s not a panic, it’s just this teeny, tiny depression.” Obviously that could only be a one time use after length and breadth of the “depression” was endured. Next time around they had to come up with a new euphemism, that’s how the term “recession” was born.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/big-name-lawsuit-could-upend-realtors-and-their-6-fee-2019-03-19
The lawyers who took on Big Tobacco are aiming at Realtors and their 6% fee
A new class-action lawsuit takes aim at real estate agents and the tools they use to do business, and housing industry watchers say it could revolutionize the way Americans buy and sell the biggest asset they’ll ever own.
We had a house on Cannistear Road when I was an infant and also had a lot in Barry Lakes when I was a teen. Mom wanted to build a house on the lot but decided not and we sold.
Our house was on Cannistear near beach 3,
I used to take the Cannistear Road “short cut” sometimes, even though 23 to 515 was actually faster to Highland Lakes, at least to where I was going. I’m surprised I didn’t get into more(cop) trouble up in Sussex in the mid and late 80’s aside from the occasional traffic ticket.
Is not nearly as safe a it used to be, my aunt had a canoe and several paddle boards stolen from under the house
Up your butt, Murphy
And yet, Mercer County Waterfront Park is still a huge hit 25 years later. Who knew, you actually need a viable team associated with a stable MLB franchise (Trenton Thunder is the Yankees AA team) to be successful. Nah, just build a Field of Dreams with taxpayer dollars like Newark and Camden.
Libturd, can’t say I didn’t warn you. says:
March 19, 2019 at 12:00 pm
https://jerseydigs.com/new-details-released-bears-eagles-riverfront-stadium-site/
Yup. Camden Riversharks stadium to be torn down too I think I heard.
https://www.nj.com/camden/2018/12/campbells_field_riversharks_demolition_camden.html
It’s always nice spending other people’s money.
They needed a bike path around that Camden stadium. That was the problem.
Oops.
https://www.nj.com/hudson/2019/03/massive-120m-budget-shortfall-is-subject-of-special-jersey-city-boe-meeting.html
left: for you…
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/a-statement-from-the-university-of-pennsylvania-regarding-the-college-admissions-bribery-scandal?fbclid=IwAR0vfA6IL8j8GPfMcggHLElQkjM93sR3nrrLc-5glPdWxh9eMYqbX29uhVI
channeling my best jj
No the Chinese have a 5 year pran…..
The Original NJ ExPat says:
March 19, 2019 at 12:36 pm
The Vatican, the Chinese, etc. — they have a 5 year plan, a 10 year plan, a 50 year plan, a 100 year plan, etc.
LOL
channeling my best jj
No the Chinese have a 5 year pran…..