C19 Open Discussion Week 18c

From NJ.com:

N.J. can ‘go after’ travelers who violate coronavirus quarantine, Murphy says

New Jersey, unlike New York, isn’t threatening fines if travelers from states considered coronavirus hotspots don’t comply with a tri-state advisory to quarantine for 14 days.

So what’s to stop some “knucklehead” trekking to New York from flying into Newark Liberty International Airport to avoid getting whacked with a $2,000 penalty?

Gov. Phil Murphy was asked that question Tuesday afternoon during a radio interview. The governor insisted New Jersey’s health commissioner, Judith Persichilli, has the power to impose some sort of punishment — though he didn’t specify what.

“Something will happen to you,” Murphy said during the appearance on 1010 WINS in New York City. “If you’re a real knucklehead and you come in and you flagrantly violate this, the commissioner of health in New Jersey has the teeth to go after you. And she won’t hesitate to do that.”

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84 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 18c

  1. grim says:

    So let me get this straight, Murphy is proposing that police go after immigrants that don’t obey the law?

  2. grim says:

    From the APP:

    Record NJ job growth in June, but only a quarter of jobs lost to coronavirus are back

    The Garden State in June added a record 130,900 jobs, but the state still has recovered only a quarter of the jobs that it lost, and its unemployment rate is a sky-high 16.6%, the New Jersey Department of Labor and Workforce Development said Thursday.

    With money from the federal bailout winding down, employers hit hardest by the pandemic said they are hoping for more aid to help them weather the downturn.

    The state’s monthly jobs report came with an asterisk. It noted analysts from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics have had trouble surveying workers who have lost their jobs, making it tough to get accurate results.

  3. AJ says:

    Once the $600/wk CARES money is gone, you’ll see the unemployment numbers get better.

  4. Bystander says:

    …and plenty of people f-ed bc they will be forced to take low paying job.

  5. grim says:

    From CNBC:

    Wall Street banks are in no rush to bring employees back to the office

    It doesn’t look like Wall Street is going back to work in any great numbers, at least any time soon.

    That seems to be the message from major money center banks with large trading operations. Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, JPMorgan, and Bank of America have all reported this week, as has Wells Fargo, which does not have a substantial trading operations but also has many banking employees in offices all over the country.

    So far, few employees — traders or otherwise — have returned to their desks. JP Morgan said 80% of employees were still working from home. Bank of America said more than 85% were still working from home, Morgan Stanley said 90% were still working from home. At Bank of New York, 95% of employees were still working from home.

    Health concerns are the major reason for continuing to work from home, but many executives emphasized how well the whole work-from-home experiment had been going.

    “We’ve been now at 90% of the folks working from home for a while now, and the plant continues to hold up quite well,” Jonathan M. Pruzan, Morgan Stanley’s chief financial officer said.

    Bank of New York Mellon has had a similar experience: “Our operating platforms and infrastructures are supporting the current market working model well with record volumes in certain areas,” CEO Thomas P. Gibbons said.

  6. Bystander says:

    I am getting more contacts in last two weeks than previous 5 months regarding sr. tech management roles. Problem is they want to pay 40 – 60 hr with no benefits..it is a joke. This country is going down the drain faster and faster.

  7. grim says:

    The lawsuit machine is firing up in a huge way. Lawyers will profit handsomely from covid workplace lawsuits. Already having conversations with clients about indemnification if they are requiring people to go back into the office. That pretty much shuts the discussion down immediately.

  8. D-FENS says:

    With video of representative Gill’s speech opposing the bill to borrow 10 billion in its current form.

    https://savejersey.com/2020/07/video-democrat-senator-shreds-her-own-partys-10b-bonding-bill/

    In fact, the most passionate opposition came from Nia Gill (D-34), a veteran black Democrat legislator who argued that minorities, women, and Republicans had been left out of the process and would continue to be left out of future bonding decisions”

  9. grim says:

    Borrowing $10 billion dollars to balance the budget seems like a pretty bad idea.

  10. Juice box says:

    And a new state property tax to pay for it is even worse.

  11. homeboken says:

    Response from the end of the last post – RE: School Choice

    homeboken says:
    July 17, 2020 at 8:36 am
    Vouchers will not help all low-performance students in low-performing schools. Never claimed that.

    It will give the kid that has parents with even the slightest interest in their kids education, the opportunity to select a school that better suits their kid.

    Right now, there are plenty of very involved parents that are trapped in their zip code for various reasons, almost all relating to income and not at all because that is the best choice for the kids education. The kid is literally paying the price, via a diminished future, that the parent is forced to elect by living where they live.

    The parent’s that don’t value education and can’t be bothered to go through a process of selecting a better education for their kid, they are screwed. I don’t have an answer for those families.

    But for a parent that is in a tough economic spot and doesn’t want their kid to remain in the poverty life-cycle, a voucher to a better school is a decent start.

    Again – There is no way that we lift every single student to the highest level of eduction. But we can take the hand-cuffs off some parents and give them a fighting chance. But there will ALWAYS be those that care less about schools.

    Remember that Galton Board. Life is a bell curve. Allowing people to move along the curve is the goal that we can accomplish. A drastic shift in the curve to the better is much tougher and before long, those on the low end begin to realize that they are still worse off than those on the other end.

  12. homeboken says:

    Grim – Borrowing $10 billion to balance the budget –

    In accounting terms, that has not balanced a damn thing. It’s financial recklessness in the purest form.

    Further, any book runner and rating agency that participates in this underwriting should be ashamed of themselves.

  13. joyce says:

    And a good chunk of it comes from the budget growth Murphy requested year over year (i.e. baseline budgeting).

    grim says:
    July 17, 2020 at 8:06 am
    Borrowing $10 billion dollars to balance the budget seems like a pretty bad idea.

  14. Juice Box says:

    Biggest hit to the state budget so far was Gross income tax it was trending down $2 Billion at the end of May.

    https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/legislativepub/budget/FY20_May.pdf

    This bonding is illegal and should be declared so by a judge, it should be on the Ballot in November. as the law says. Covid-19 is not an act of god. It is an act of a hostile nation state.

  15. Bystander says:

    People leaving the area for several months on WFH excursion? Discuss amongst yourselves. I have now had two conversations about families who rented homes elsewhere for as they WFH, one in Florida and one in Montana. My good friend just did a month at North Fork of LI.

  16. Juice Box says:

    I have mentioned my cousin who lives in Brooklyn, currently roughing it out in the
    Hamptons summer home they purchased in January. They will be headed back to Brooklyn as the August rent alone covers the mortgage for the year.

    Although Brooklyn looks like a madhouse these days. Anyone see the latest shooting?

    https://abc7ny.com/east-new-york-brooklyn-shooting-uber-passenger-shot-nyc/6319476/

  17. Phoenix says:

    “Covid-19 is not an act of god. It is an act of a hostile nation state.”

    If China is such a “hostile nation state,” then why do American corporations embrace it so much? Are they not working in our best interest?
    No one has proven that this was ever a weapon either. So far it has only been shown this has come from “wet markets” where underpaid employees work.

    Force Majeure. It does qualify more during this than anytime Trump has used the term in the past. However, this loan is not a good idea….

  18. Juice Box says:

    Speaking of the Hamptons. It’s heating up with Celebs this year, rich and famous will be throwing lot of GTGs.

    https://variety.com/2020/dirt/musicians/rihanna-justin-bieber-book-pricey-hamptons-rentals-1234708215/

  19. Juice Box says:

    SARS-CoV-2 came from an animal but finding which one will be tricky and time consuming and where it came from exactly, we may never find out. What we do know that those with TOP SECRET clearance have told us so far is that the Chinese lab in Wuhan was conducting extensive research on deadly bat viruses.

    In-fact there was another additional NEW novel corona virus breakout in Whuhan last month, and the wet markets are closed there so where did it come from?

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/mystery-virus-found-wuhan-resembles-bat-viruses-not-sars-chinese-scientist-says

  20. Juice Box says:

    That WUHAN Lab was purported to hold over 1500 strains of bat viruses. SADS-CoV is just another example of one that made it into the wild as well.

    More leaks to the media now say the virus we are dealing with now may have come from that lab.

    https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-related-sars-cov-2-found-chinese-mine-2013-was-sent-wuhan-lab-1515625

  21. chicagofinance says:

    Here is a summary of BLM…. oh I’m sorry, this is a piece of the summary of the book 1984…
    https://youtu.be/h9JIKngJnCU?t=342

  22. Fabius Maximus says:

    Interesting reopening article from the districts POV.
    https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/07/another-reopening-dilemma-for-nj-schools-students-teachers-afraid-to-come-back/

    Upshot is that Staff and kids cant stay away if they are “scared”. I suppose there will be long lines at the Doctors and Psychologists for sign off letters.

    They will be litigating this for years.

  23. chicagofinance says:

    Juice Box says:
    July 17, 2020 at 9:31 am
    This bonding is illegal and should be declared so by a judge, it should be on the Ballot in November. as the law says. Covid-19 is not an act of god. It is an act of a hostile nation state.

    From 3 months ago…..

    OPINION BUSINESS WORLD
    China’s Coronavirus Culpability

    By Holman W. Jenkins, Jr.
    April 21, 2020 5:32 pm ET

    Circumstantial evidence can’t settle whether the virus, which like SARS is thought to have passed from bats to humans, escaped from a local Wuhan lab that studies such bat viruses. But China’s government took steps to expel certain foreign reporters from Wuhan, and then from the country, as well as to silence and threaten with arrest doctors, scientists and local journalists who sought to track the outbreak.

    All this is consistent with a regime whose secrecy is reflexive and unimaginative when facing an explosive emerging situation that potentially threatens its own survival. It seems inconsistent with one of the stories Chinese sources have put out—that the incompetence and mendacity of Wuhan officials kept Beijing in the dark about the true extent of the problem.

    This has led some to speculate that, having resigned himself to an uncontainable epidemic, Mr. Xi sought to make sure other countries weren’t spared so China wouldn’t be uniquely disadvantaged. Your arrival in the world must have been recent if you think politicians not capable of such cynicism, especially when operating under an authoritarian, communist, one-party political system.

    At the very least, choosing at every stage to indulge its preference for secrecy was tantamount to a decision to let the world become infected. That much is hard to dispute.

  24. Juice Box says:

    No school for you.

    Labor says they will be the final arbiter of whether schools in NYC reopen to classroom learning.

    https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-teachers-union-head-vows-schools-wont-reopen-if-they-deem-it-unsafe

  25. leftwing says:

    “…any book runner and rating agency that participates in this underwriting should be ashamed of themselves.”

    IBs are wh0res…they exist to fulfill demand and nothing else. If the demand is there they sell the product. Only requirement is full disclosure to buyer, decision is the buyer’s for the buyer’s account.

    Website sock puppets. Wildly overleveraged CMOs. Bonds of a bankrupt state.

    Doesn’t matter, if you are foolish/greedy enough they will sell it.

    Agencies, different story, they have a fiduciary duty.

  26. chicagofinance says:

    Fab Max supports subsuming New Jersey Transit into the National Guard and having it used for military operations. Those unable to comply with the new Fourth Empire of New Jersey will be transported to the eastern lands for resettlement.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    July 17, 2020 at 11:55 am
    Interesting reopening article from the districts POV.
    https://www.njspotlight.com/2020/07/another-reopening-dilemma-for-nj-schools-students-teachers-afraid-to-come-back/

    Upshot is that Staff and kids cant stay away if they are “scared”. I suppose there will be long lines at the Doctors and Psychologists for sign off letters.

    They will be litigating this for years.

  27. chicagofinance says:

    Where are the cuts to staff, operations and expenditures for New Jersey?
    Seriously….. I have not heard literally anything.. AT ALL… not a single cut… WTF?

    Juice Box says:
    July 17, 2020 at 9:31 am
    Biggest hit to the state budget so far was Gross income tax it was trending down $2 Billion at the end of May.

    https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/legislativepub/budget/FY20_May.pdf

    This bonding is illegal and should be declared so by a judge, it should be on the Ballot in November. as the law says. Covid-19 is not an act of god. It is an act of a hostile nation state.

  28. chicagofinance says:

    leftwing: Did you see this? I am numb….. this is an undergraduate business program

    https://business.cornell.edu/hub/2020/07/08/mclaughlin-antiracism-action-items/

  29. grim says:

    Where are the cuts to staff, operations and expenditures for New Jersey?
    Seriously….. I have not heard literally anything.. AT ALL… not a single cut… WTF?

    Huh? Murphy is a hero for saving these jobs, no layoffs, this should be celebrated. This is a win for workers.

  30. joyce says:

    But do they provide full disclosure to the Buyer?

    leftwing says:
    July 17, 2020 at 12:16 pm

  31. No One says:

    My daughter’s former high school, Princeton Day, is going for even more aggressive racial re-education camps. It’s disgustingly racist. My wife has many times asked that I stay silent until I retire.

  32. Phoenix says:

    I know Princeton Day. Lots of interesting things going on down it that area of N.J.
    People who claim poverty and game the system….

  33. leftwing says:

    Chi, a class called “Empathy by Design”. How woke. All this feels a lot like O’s first election….bunch of privileged white suburban kids all throwing a ton of support with zero knowledge on the actual topic because it was cool to be white and support O. BLM is the new O. This too shall pass, the Dems will collect the votes they are angling for, and nothing will change for the black community just like over the past decades. And sometime around 2024 there will be a new outrage or candidate that again inspires (no) real change.

    Joyce, yes, absolutely disclosure is rigorous it is the only defense for a firm. I always chuckle when these CNBC knuckleheads look at a prospectus and get their underwear all twisted up over the number and content of the risk factors section….the risk factors are in there to protect the firm and issuer….I can’t tell you how many drafting sessions I’ve been in where some newbie company and their counsel want to minimize these…our response (and our counsel’s) was always the more the merrier, no investor reads it anyway….had shorthand for when we got really out of control, someone on our side of the table would say “hey, don’t forget the nuclear war risk” meaning we got to the point of ridiculously general super low probability events so just stop lol…..

    Same diligence on disclosure for the rest of the prospectus.

  34. 3b says:

    IB s will underwrite the deal, it’s not like when I started in the business and spreads were 25.00 to 30.00 a bond. Issuers pressured underwriters to cut spreads over the last 25/30 years. It’s not a high margin profit center for big IBs any more. The states banking business is far more lucrative for firms, but if they want that business they have to underwrite states bonds deals.

  35. Juice Box says:

    Plan is to borrow 10 Billion now and then get another bailout from the feds when that passes later this month. See how smart our dear leader is?

    Then there is the Sweeney plan to create a $500 billion loan program for public-sector pension plans, another genius plan too.

    No worries it’s all denominated in dollars we can just print more. Nothing to worry about at all, nothing at all.

    Here watch this music video it explains it all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rIguM71LQI

  36. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    No one, she is wise. This was a very clever hoax by the left. It’s an ideological struggle repackaged as racial grievance.

    They can advance their entire agenda under the guise of racial equity. Object to any tenants of marxism and that’s your white privilege surfacing, regardless of your skin color. You will be cancelled.

    I think many recognize, it will be a protracted battle unlike anything seen generations. Best to live to fight another day.

  37. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    This is where we are right now, so sad. And also not mnsbc type fake news.

    [i]Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture recently unveiled guidelines for talking about race. A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled “Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States,” declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

    In the section, Smithsonian declares that “objective, rational, linear thinking,” “quantitative emphasis,” “hard work before play,” and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.

    https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333
    [/i]

  38. leftwing says:

    “Plan is to borrow 10 Billion now and then get another bailout from the feds when that passes later this month.”

    Plan may be to put something up that gets struck down then go hat in hand to Feds (new Dem Admin) and you can fool yourself into thinking that you are not a beggar if you gave a half hearted try?

    “No worries it’s all denominated in dollars we can just print more. Nothing to worry about at all, nothing at all.”

    I collect historical items. Last piece of NJ issued denominated paper I have is around the year 1777….

  39. chicagofinance says:

    They will issue $10B of debt, receive some amount from they Feds and leave the debt outstanding….. every single cent from the Feds should be to retire debt…. fat chance

    leftwing says:
    July 17, 2020 at 3:36 pm
    “Plan is to borrow 10 Billion now and then get another bailout from the feds when that passes later this month.”

    Plan may be to put something up that gets struck down then go hat in hand to Feds (new Dem Admin) and you can fool yourself into thinking that you are not a beggar if you gave a half hearted try?

    “No worries it’s all denominated in dollars we can just print more. Nothing to worry about at all, nothing at all.”

    I collect historical items. Last piece of NJ issued denominated paper I have is around the year 1777….

  40. CallingThe PotTruth says:

    Truth what’s your issues with AA/Blacks or as you called them N*****.

    What happened to you, did you get poked in Hershey Highway by a brother when you got arrested for being a perv Boy Scout leader? Was he quoting to you from Karl Marx Capital as he did the deed?

  41. chicagofinance says:

    Absolutely stunning……

    TruthIsTheEnemy says:
    July 17, 2020 at 2:57 pm
    This is where we are right now, so sad. And also not mnsbc type fake news.

    [i]Smithsonian National Museum of African American History and Culture recently unveiled guidelines for talking about race. A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled “Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States,” declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

    In the section, Smithsonian declares that “objective, rational, linear thinking,” “quantitative emphasis,” “hard work before play,” and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.

    https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

  42. NJGator says:

    September is going to be interesting….with 584 different plans of what “school” should be. I present to you for contrast, the Bloomfield plan and the Morristown plan. Bloomfield elementary students will get 4 – 1/2 days of instruction every other week….which Morristown elementary students will have in person school full-time. Bloomfield 7th- 12th graders will get 1 – 1/2 day of in-building instruction a week.

    https://www.bloomfield.k12.nj.us/m/news/show_news.jsp?REC_ID=649088&id=0&fbclid=IwAR25w-v79i7udedIQ7AWmPotUiHjteH3cYZLuyUaC6l9cYb4udqXyAfT1zM

    https://morristowngreen.com/2020/07/10/morristown-high-fms-will-alternate-in-person-virtual-instruction-in-fall-elementary-grades-will-return-to-classroom-schedule/?fbclid=IwAR25w-v79i7udedIQ7AWmPotUiHjteH3cYZLuyUaC6l9cYb4udqXyAfT1zM

  43. Libturd says:

    And it will all end abruptly the moment more than five kids from the same school infect each other or if an educator gets the virus from one of their students. If I was a teacher, I’d be suing write now.

  44. Libturd says:

    right

  45. homeboken says:

    Lib – The teachers and their union, will 100% sue. If that ends up bankrupting the school district, F You- Pay me. It was never, ever about the children, that has been made abundantly clear.

    There are some very vocal (granted probably not the majority of teachers) teachers right now that have no intention of going back to a classroom. They have reset the bar of what a “work-day” looks like. And it doesn’t involve being physically present.

    If parents allow the Teachers Unions to get away with this now – I promise you, the next time you have a higher than normal flu season or any other new illness, the teachers will walk out.

  46. homeboken says:

    Seriously – The teachers argument will be – Work From Home is the new normal for private industry, I deserve the same. Now shut up and pay me, only 2 more years before Suzie the Kindergarden teacher retires and moves to Florida to live out her years on the NJ taxpayer dime.

    Already being warned in NYC – The union paid for this power by voting and donating to the right political party for decades – Now they expect obedience. The union is the final say in “deeming safety”

    https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-teachers-union-head-vows-schools-wont-reopen-if-they-deem-it-unsafe

  47. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I wish the NJEA would bribe our local politicians for my benefit. They don’t. I don’t think you have anything to worry about in this state. We should be back at school in September.

  48. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    And it will all end abruptly the moment more than five kids from the same school infect each other or if an educator gets the virus from one of their students. If I was a teacher, I’d be suing write now.

    What if they offered you a leave of absence?

  49. homeboken says:

    BRT – I expect that any concession made to the school staff will be met with open arms, provided there is no impact to salary, benefit or years worked/tenure.

    Then we can hire another teacher since the class room still needs a teacher present to educate.

    It’s the NJ way – why not pay for 2 full time jobs for the service of 1? Double the union dues too! What a perfect scenario

  50. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The NJEA union president says schools shouldn’t open in September because districts have not had the proper time to prepare. They’ve had since March 13th. In fact, my district brought up the issue in February. Don’t believe this political BS.

  51. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    If they trial to go virtual for the whole state, I will be traveling from town to town teaching by whiteboard in people’s backyards. Outdoor gatherings of 500 people are permitted by law.

  52. Libturd says:

    “The union paid for this power by voting and donating to the right political party for decades”

    And this is exactly why unions should be illegal in the public sector.

    Just to be clear, I really could care less which way this goes (remote vs. in person). My younger son is getting an absolutely incredible remote education and since his organs are all pretty much destroyed due to chemo drugs, we really can’t risk it with him. My older son is incredibly motivated and disciplined. I am extremely proud of him. He is working a full time job at a day camp this Summer and has already been trusted to be a one-on-one counselor for a child (with issues) older than him. He is mature beyond his years and has his dad’s empathy gene (apparently). Though Gator too is a giver. Though he would learn more in person than online. He will not let his online learning be a waste. Plus, we probably shouldn’t risk him bringing it home.

    I’ve been screaming from the rooftops since day one. The focus should have been on making remote teaching more effective rather than coming up with impossible to meet standards to reopen the schools. It doesn’t matter what the POTUS says or what the parents demand. The teachers will not return to schools if the schools are not safe. This is not a biased statement. It’s simply common sense. And I’ll be the first to admit that in places like NJ and NY, they probably could return to schools with nearly no risk since our numbers are low enough. Though, if I was a teacher in Florida, Texas, or California and the like. Fuggedaboutit!

  53. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    The truth, teaching class outside, at least in September and October would be a very sensible solution. But we’ve all seen what the average teacher is capable of (Pumps). Therefore, I do not expect schools to reopen, even with their bizarre staggering plans in September. And what about busing? How does that work? Who pays? Budgets are set already.

    Schools should have been furloughing nurses, phys ed staff, lunch ladies, paras, really, everyone except for the teaching staff starting in March. The fact that they didn’t is going to make creative solutions nearly impossible. But who would have ever expected educators and their administrators to think outside of the box. Heck, most can’t even think inside the box. BRT, not a knock on you and for the few dedicated teachers. Some do exist. Remembering my teachers in high school, probably one out of ten had the intelligence to do well in the private sector. The rest were glorified babysitter.

    Funny, my favorite teacher of all time was my 8th grade history teacher. He taught history completely through critical thought. There was at textbook, but we never used it. He also taught us all how to write. What history teacher would make us all purchase the Chicago Manual of Style. Why purchase? He said it would be the most valuable book for the rest of our lives. He was right (until the internet came along). He also separated the classroom into three sections. The boneheads, the middle and the brainiacs. If you did well on an exam, you would move from section to section. Likewise, if a brainiac screwed up, into the middle they would go. I remember one class, he had us listening to the Eve of Destruction from Barry Mcguire and S&G’s Silent Night – 7 O’ Clock News over and over. Then we had to write about what they meant. The man was a complete lunatic, but man did he connect with the boneheads and the middle (I was in the middle). Well I read that he was elected mayor in East Brunswick in 2016. In the comments, it was amazing how many people said he was their favorite teacher. BRT, I bet you get some of that too.

    The mother in the family we rented a house down in Duck with the last week of the Summer is also an extraordinary teacher. She has already written up all of her remote lesson plans for the coming year, just in case. What have you done with all of your extra free time Pumps besides spill your racist diarrhea here?

  54. grim says:

    Likewise, if a brainiac screwed up, into the middle they would go. I remember one class, he had us listening to the Eve of Destruction from Barry Mcguire and S&G’s Silent Night – 7 O’ Clock News over and over.

    Had a music teacher that did the same thing. I think it was like 5th or 6th grade. I remember her printing out the lyrics, the stinky mimeograph style, and we’d all have to learn the words by singing it over and over. A lot of protest folk, Dylan, etc.

    I’ll tell you though, the big hit for the class was doing Bon Jovi’s Runaway. Similar social commentary, kind of. After laughing about this, it was definitely 5th grade. Too early to do the math, 86 or 87. I think I remember doing Livin’ on a Prayer too, which is about that time.

    Was formative on my musical taste. If Lou Reed’s Dirty Boulevard was out in the mid 80s, I’m pretty sure we’d have sung it. How she got away with some of those songs is beyond me.

  55. ExEssex says:

    “….But we’ve all seen what the average teacher is capable of…”

    Have we? A really decent teacher I had many years ago told me that “most teachers don’t know what they are there for…”

    Are they baby sitters? Conduits for content? Sculptors of society? Teachers like students can be a reflection of the society we live in. I’d say that is likely the only truth you will find in the classroom.

  56. Juice box says:

    I have been saying for months now school reopening This fall will be a shit show.

    Next board of Ed meeting I am going to recommend we close completely for the fall semester. Close the schools now and furlough everyone until January.

    There will be a vaccine in January, so the front line workers and anyone else worried can get one, and lets end this uncertainty and fear for good. It’s no good for our kids, we are damaging their mental health more than COVID would do to them physically.

    Oh by the way there will still be a two semester year, I will recommend to the board that the second one will be summer of 2021.

    It’s The best for the children right! Vaccine first and summer school for a second semester this year.

  57. ExEssex says:

    Teaching is an unappealing profession, especially for older folks. When you are young you can get a certain traction based on your youth. When you age in the profession, it’s too much like mom, dad or even grandpa telling you what to do. Many students don’t find older folks inspiring. But would you want to spend you prime earning years languishing in a classroom? I did it, but was able to because my partner earns a lot of money. It’s always interesting to be the person with the highest household income in the building. You’d be amazed at how ‘money obsessed’ teachers are which is ironic seeing as though they make so little. The best teachers I know tend to be very frugal. They live simply and aren’t overwhelmed by bills. They give they time and energy to the classes.

    The worst teachers literally shop online while their classes are meeting. They are mired in bills and eat endless snacks during the day. They often can barely fit through standard doorways as their asses are huuuuuuge.

  58. Grim says:

    Summer school and furloughs – lol

  59. NJCoast says:

    Ha, we weren’t allowed to sing S & G’s Cecelia in 8th grade (1972) because of the racy lyrics.

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Without knowing it, you explained why school choice doesn’t work.

    “He also separated the classroom into three sections. The boneheads, the middle and the brainiacs. If you did well on an exam, you would move from section to section. Likewise, if a brainiac screwed up, into the middle they would go.”

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    People have a romanticized vision of teaching. They see the profession through the bias of students eyes. They have no idea how much work cause into the planning, creation, and management outside the classroom. They see the lesson and think that’s all the teacher does not understanding that the lesson is the end product.

    Btw, I was blessed with boyish looks. I’m 40 and look like I’m early 20’s.

    “Teaching is an unappealing profession, especially for older folks.”

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Republican position..

    “It’s Time To Abolish Single-Family Zoning

    The suburbs depend on federal subsidies. Is that conservative?”

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/urbs/its-time-to-abolish-single-family-zoning/

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Democrats position..

    “Biden and Dems Are Set to Abolish the Suburbs”

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/biden-and-dems-are-set-to-abolish-the-suburbs/

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So you are telling me Nyc or cities are going to die due to the revolution known as WFH. Sure, tell me another one. Both parties want to focus on an urban future. Just showed two articles to show both sides position. Face it, 3b, you are wrong on this one again. There is no way society is going to leave the cities for rural areas. Maybe some, but no way will the majority do that. High density is the future whether we like it or not.

  65. Bystander says:

    “Btw, I was blessed with boyish looks. I’m 40 and look like I’m early 20’s.”

    ..and a boyish brain as well.

  66. Libturd says:

    A peabrain.

  67. 30 year realtor says:

    What a f’ing moron. Posted articles to show both sides positions? Both are from conservative publications and the article from The American Conservative is critical specifically of the article from the National Review. The NR article is a fear mongering piece and doesn’t accurately represent Biden’s position.

    Did you even read these articles before posting them?

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    30,

    Yes, read the articles, it will show you what both sides want. Moron? Lots of class from the so called good lefty.

  69. Phoenix says:

    “Btw, I was blessed with boyish looks. I’m 40 and look like I’m early 20’s.”

    Seems like lots of teachers think this way.

    Mugshot to follow…

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It was to show they both want the same thing…an end to single family zoning in the suburbs. Aka high density living.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bystander, lib, and 30 year do a good job representing the left. Only know how to put people down and call them names. Cheers.

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    Once Biden starts to enforce AFFH the way Obama’s administration originally meant it to work, it will be as if America’s suburbs had been swallowed up by the cities they surround. They will lose control of their own zoning and development, they will be pressured into a kind of de facto regional-revenue redistribution, and they will even be forced to start building high-density low-income housing. The latter, of course, will require the elimination of single-family zoning. With that, the basic character of the suburbs will disappear.

    Once the drive-by shootings start in Ridgewood, to where will the productive class move? I never thought I’d leave Jersey but I guess when Paramus becomes the new Irvington, I’ll have no choice.

  73. ExEssex says:

    The “productive class” –

    President Donald Trump’s properties have made over $17 million from the Trump campaign and his joint fundraising committees since 2016.
    That includes close to $400,000 recently paid by Trump Victory, Trump’s joint fundraising committee with the Republican National Committee, to the Trump Hotel Collection.
    The second-quarter payments were largely for the RNC donor retreat at Trump’s private Mar-a-Lago resort in early March, just before the end of the first quarter, a source said

  74. chicagofinance says:

    Peterson……. I would recommend the whole video, but I am pointing here at this set of comments. So insightful….
    https://youtu.be/TsUE1k98frQ?t=269

  75. Fast Eddie says:

    The democrat “productive class” –

    $870,000,000,000 tax dollars touted as a shovel ready stimulus package forwarded to unions and no-show contracts that was then funneled back into DNC campaign coffers a.k.a money laundering.

  76. joyce says:

    Christ Gary, get some new talking points

  77. ExEssex says:

    I heard Obama wore a brown suit to work…,

    Clutches pearls.

  78. 3b says:

    Pumps: I am not supposed to respond to you, but seriously WTF is your obsession with WFH, excuse me I already know that it could negatively impact the value of your house. That was and is the only reason you are against it.

    Seriously give it a rest! You are not in the corporate world you know Jack shit! WFH is here it’s not going away it will be the new normal.

  79. Bystander says:

    You can’t make this sh#t up. Marco Rubio pays tribute to John Lewis by posting a picture of him with Elijah Cummings. Seriously the Rs are so lost on race relations that it is pathetic or just blatant..

  80. LeaveTheLunatics InTheirPaddedRooms says:

    Going back to economics, and leaving the wayne ‘tard and the old lady fanatics behind.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/18/jamie-dimons-warning-for-the-us-economy.html

    Best line, remember those $600 extra ends next week.

    “In a normal recession unemployment goes up, delinquencies go up, charge-offs go up, home prices go down; none of that’s true here,” Dimon said. “Savings are up, incomes are up, home prices are up. So you will see the effect of this recession; you’re just not going to see it right away because of all the stimulus.”

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