From CNN:
President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump test positive for Covid-19
President Donald Trump announced early Friday that he and his wife both tested positive for the coronavirus, an extraordinary development coming months into a global pandemic and in the final stretch of his reelection campaign in which he has flouted experts’ guidance on preventing the disease’s spread.
The diagnosis amounts to the most serious known health threat to a sitting American president in decades. At 74 years old and obese, Trump falls into the highest risk category for serious complications from the disease, which has killed more than 200,000 Americans and more than 1 million people worldwide.
His infection with the disease could prove destabilizing in an already fraught political climate, and stock market futures tumbled on news of Trump’s infection.
“Tonight, @FLOTUS and I tested positive for COVID-19. We will begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately. We will get through this TOGETHER!” Trump tweeted shortly before 1 a.m. Friday.
Oh yeah, real estate, from MarketWatch:
Pending home sales soar to new record high in August — but headwinds remain for the housing market
The index of pending home sales rose 8.8% in August as compared with July, hitting a new all-time high, the National Association of Realtors reported Wednesday.
It is the fourth consecutive month in which the level of Americans signing contracts to purchase homes has risen. Compared with a year ago, contract signings were up 24%.
“Tremendously low mortgage rates — below 3% — have again helped pending home sales climb in August,” Lawrence Yun, the National Association of Realtors’ chief economist, said in the report. “While I did very much expect the housing sector to be stable during the pandemic-induced economic shutdowns, I am pleasantly surprised to see the industry bounce back so strongly and so quickly.”
The index gauges real-estate transactions where a contract was signed for a previously-owned home but the sale had not yet closed, benchmarked to contract-signing activity in 2001.
Finally, something interesting happens in 2020. I was getting awfully bored around here. /S
Yikes …….just got my gov flood insurance ,used it once in 37 years for minimal amount ….up 20% to $7200 …. think I’m going to drop it and self insurance
White House Covfefe?
In the immortal words of Jim Schoenfeld.
Have another doughnut
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=etZpup-GtLw
Campaign stunt. Timing is questionable. Elections just in time for him to proclaim he beat the china virus with the greatest immune system in the world.
1977: Biden said integrating black students would turn schools into ‘a jungle… a racial jungle.’”
There’s a photo of the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee and this quote attributed to him: “I don’t want my children to grow up in a jungle, a racial jungle.”
Trump, last night, condemned the K.KK, all white supremacists group and the proud boys for the umpteenth time.
We’ll that answers the next debate question.
From Heather CR
“This story proves how crucial it is to have a White House we trust. Immediately, Twitter users noted that someone had suggested this very scenario back in September as a way for Trump to steal headlines away from Biden, emerge victorious over the virus, and claim credit for a new treatment that had cured him. Elections almost always feature an “October Surprise” to move voters in the last few weeks of the election when it is too late for the other side to challenge that surprise move. And while this news certainly looks genuine—the White House doctor issued a statement after Trump announced the test results—there is plenty that the Trump campaign would like to distract us from.”
This also
“Trump also stood inside near Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden for an hour and a half on Tuesday, yelling and spitting—the very conditions that are most likely to spread the disease. At the debate, his entourage, which included Hicks, Jordan, and the four older Trump children, refused to wear masks despite the mandate that they do so.”
So we need to check Joe and the kids.
Sleeping Joe has to quarantine for two weeks per the rules.
Jobs Report: +661,000
U/E: 7.9%
At least I can say something positive about the POTUS now.
It was his right not to wear the mask.
I wish the virus well.
Lol
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8796579/Kimberly-Guilfoyle-left-Fox-News-female-assistant-accused-host-sexual-misconduct.html
Just lost my coffee.
Lars Jz @Larsjz
Was Hope’s first symptom her sense of smell when she noticed she couldn’t detect the odor of bullsh1t from Trump’s staffers on the plane about how he “won” the debate with Biden?
Should be an interesting debate on October 15th, Trump should not be able to interrupt as much when he is intubated.
Trump can’t campaign for a while? Can you imagine how fast Biden is high tailing it back to the basement? Warp speed.
What next debate? We are done now.
Virtual debate? Biden basement vs the Oval Office?
Biden Basement vs Trump in a Hospital Bed at Walter Reed.
I knew Biden would get out of it.
It’s over.
https://youtu.be/LhI88tg1Gqg
I wish the President and his wife a full recovery, like all stricken with Covid and any other ailment.
Well they say history repeats itself.
We gave the Indians smallpox.
Chinese gave us Covid=19
Poor little Kayleigh had a rough day as well. Rhodes college vs Rhodes scholar. You can only fling so much bull before you can no longer separate truth from fiction.
Girl probably has a rawhide hanging from her rear view mirror.
“China claims Donald Trump has ‘paid the price’ for his COVID-19 ‘gamble’ after the President and Melania both tested positive”
Now that headline is going to piss him off.
If Trump dies I guess Pence is the candidate? Or will his dying words be a request for Ivanka to take his place?
Nobody has floated the rumor that after Trump’s bad debate performance, Republicans decided it was time to take him out?
I never knew that Ray Lucas was quoting this on Jets Postgame Live
Libturd says:
October 2, 2020 at 9:14 am
I knew Biden would get out of it.
It’s over.
https://youtu.be/LhI88tg1Gqg
I told previously of becoming a failed state. Where the spokesperson for WH confuses Rhodes scholar vs Rhodes college, it reminded me a famous third world country’s prime minister boosting she graduated from Harvard, where it was Hartford but she intentionally confused the pronunciation. The country turned into shambles when she was in office. I see no difference.
As for the Covid@WH. I think this was a measured plan to avoid self-hurting debates and also creating sympathy and writing a victory story just before the election. Best of luck.
Trump’s got the RONA
BTFD
Too late to pick another candidate state laws for entry date have passed and they cannot print new ballots if they have shipped them already. Election goes on as planned. What would happen if a dead candidate won the presidential election? Their party would need to quickly vote to pick another candidate in time for the electoral college vote. That is bound to be subject to lots of lawsuits in every state.
Grim,
My thought exactly. The guy has no morals and insidious liar. He is desperate. “Showing” he has virus with little effects could be a ploy to try to validate his hoax propaganda.
Apparently higher than average IQ people are also susceptible to conspiracy theories?
Just joining party right’s party- Deep state, Qnon, Clinton-Pizza-Parlor-Email-server-Epstein, Hunter-Russia, Obama-Muslim-Terrorist-Birther, Newtown-shooting-fake.
The beauty of this conspiracy is that it easily works itself out in a few weeks. Let’s not forget that Ivanka said she would take vaccine on air. Let’s see if a magical vaccine appears soon. Circus ratings bonanza..that is what he thirsts for.
You guys have to stop with the conspiracies. It’s worse than Qanon and Fauci 5G.
How can any of you be surprised about the president getting Covid when he has been running around indoor rallies without a mask. It was only a matter of time.
We all wear damn masks in the car when I drive my son and one schoolmate home from school. My other son doesn’t even get dressed in the locker room with his teammates because they refuse to follow the rules of mask wearing. Even when I go to games, I keep my distance from the illegally unmasked parents. Sure, I know the odds of me getting Covid are extremely low. Probably even lower than the odds that my son would have gotten a malignant brain tumor at age 3. But I make the sacrifice to both save myself and because I am not a selfish prick to those who choose to take undue risks. Shame the president and his wife don’t believe in leading by example.
Lib,
“It was only a matter of time.”
Exactly. He knew it, everyone knew it so why do it? Presidency or die strategy?
I don’t know why, but every time I see Ivanka I think of Eva Gabor from Green Acres.
Of course Trump is not like her husband, but more like Mr. Haney.
When Trump says he has the best doctors looking after them does he mean Dr Stella Immanuel? Is the treatment bleach injections or Hydroxychloroquine? Is she also working on curing his issues with the $ex demons?
For the same reason that he can’t put down the white supremacists in Charlottesville. He needs to keep his promises or he loses his base. He ran on racism. He had to follow through. He claimed Corona was a hoax and it’s hardly dangerous. He had no choice but to take the risk. I have hick friends who when gatherings were banned, sent me pictures of himself with about 20 other couples drinking in the garage and flipping the cameraman the bird. He then sent this out to all of his friends both right and left. This is what Trump is about. He is a bully. The truth doesn’t matter. It’s like hiding your taxes, and when they are revealed and found to be absolutely damning, claiming that they aren’t even his. Then the moron doubles down on the lie that he is still planning on revealing them. And his supporters give this compulsive liar a pass. Why? Because they are bullies too. They just don’t realize it.
How would Trump be able to lie about having Covid? It makes no sense.
Exactly. Poor Dr. Fauci. He is going to be so busy.
Three police cars required to watch some guys digging a hole on the street. Now that’s efficiency.
Isn’t there some missing kid on a milk carton they should be looking for?
Increase gas tax 22 percent went into effect today! Keep paying people!!
So tired of hearing this hoax
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/joe-biden-donald-trump-charlotttesville-fine-people-neo-nazis-column/3588970002/
Says a lot about people who continue to repeat it
Libturd says:
October 2, 2020 at 12:04 pm
For the same reason that he can’t put down the white supremacists in Charlottesville.
12:15 sO hE’s nOt a rAcISt….?!?
Rick Moranis victim of the Knockout game
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/10/02/rick-moranis-random-attack-on-upper-west-side/
My wife came back from the park a few weeks and told me how she started chatting with the mother of one of the kids our daughter was playing with. Her husband was a realtor who used to pick up clients in his car and drive them to the showing, that’s how they think he contracted the virus. Passed a month later. One of many stories.
I’m going on one month with the EV: I paid a total of $15 to charge my car in the month of September. I did have two DCFC fast charges in Elizabeth on the way back from shore, so I guess that’s around $30 for the month. Thankfully, NJ didn’t jack the EV reg fees sky high to compensate for loss of gas tax revenue.
Trump plan for racism is really nothing at all. No Plan whatsoever.
Biden plan for racism to is make sure there is no racial jungle.
I mean it even checks out with SNOPES.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-racial-jungle-quote/
Damn. Didn’t foresee Manhattan becoming a no go zone in my lifetime. It is now.
Boomer, they should…pay your fair share!
Eh, we don’t yet know how effective masks and vaccines are. Previous, non politicized data said that masks don’t work. Are people changing their behavior and ascribing their not being infected to masks?
They make people sleep better at night but in the long run we don’t know. Lots of people were making tin foil hats in the sixties.
Trump’s Bedminster fundraiser yesterday Joe Piscopo was there. Seems it raised $5 million at $25 thousand a pop, so at least 200 in the room to hear his speech and take pictures etc.
People do realize they are not breathing through the mask right?
3b from one of the lowest gas taxes to now the highest. Thanks NJ democrats! There is no tax that they are not in favor of raising. As a former democrat I don’t know how there hasn’t been an awakening in this state, we are being run into the ground and yet people continue to vote for it, now watch sales of gas drop even further……we are a small state where people live closest to other states and travel in and out on a daily basis.
Gas tax? I have used maybe three tanks in 6 months.
I was actually riding laps in Central Park yesterday. Mask compliance in CP is near 100%. Everyone, and I mean everyone was wearing one at least as far our as I can out of the loop. On the streets it was a mixed bag and in the housing projects north of the park less so.
I can’t keep up with this anymore…
Supreme Court nominee diagnosed with coronavirus this summer but has since recovered
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/barrett-coronavirus-court-trump/2020/10/02/ecf7c7ce-04cf-11eb-8879-7663b816bfa5_story.html
Quarantine Washington DC
Utah Republican Sen. Mike Lee revealed Friday that he tested positive for COVID-19
https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/sen-mike-lee-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-amy-coney-barrett-visit/
Juice: Same here but still just another tax increase on top of the tolls.
He’s on the judiciary committee
Utah Sen. Mike Lee tests positive for coronavirus 5 days after attending White House event announcing Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/utah-sen-mike-lee-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-5-days-after-attending-white-house-event-announcing-trump-s-supreme-court-nominee-amy-coney-barrett/ar-BB19Ee2P?ocid=uxbndlbing
Somebody is a super spreader!
Ronna McDaniel, RNC chairwoman, tests positive for COVID-19
Jcer: Agreed. But the Republicans are no better. Whitman was a disaster. It was a great little state when I moved here. But it’s just rapidly declining.
Maybe those bike lanes were the right idea?
Woe is me.
TruthIsTheEnemy, masks are an interesting topic. Proper masking should help reduce transmission BUT proper masking is the exception not the norm. At least 95% of mask users are using improper masks and or wearing them incorrectly. Even then outside of an N95 a surgical mask will not prevent you from getting COVID. I expect the performance of most of these fabric masks people are wearing is inferior to even the surgical masks let alone a proper N95.
On Trump getting the virus, it make sense he is in close contact with literally tons of people and is not that careful. Biden has been locked in his basement. If Biden or the moderator did not get it from the debate I’d be inclined to think Trump wasn’t infected yet, inside the droplets can travel quite a distance and given the vociferousness of the conversation I’d bet there was a lot of airborne particles.
You gotta get out of dodge. It’s all going to implode.
Downdraft Podiums with HEPA filters.
There’s also the exposure time factor.
As for the efficacy of masks. It’s a lot like condoms. They’ll work 90% of the time and for those with a clue, 99% of the time. But the idiot who thinks that it will still work if you only put it on near climax is the culprit in the stats.
When you impregnate someone while wearing a condom, next time you stop to read the directions.
When someone close to you dies of Covid, you also stop to read the directions.
When you are a biased selfish prick who wants to make a political point to support your side, you say masks don’t work.
Lib – in all fairness all politician are selfish pricks. You can easily find photos of all of them not wearing masks and yapping away for the cameras in close proximity to other people.
Masks . . .
The biggest national disgrace from the whole Covid era is that, as of October 2, 2020 (over 6.5 months since the USA first started shutting down), it is still not possible for the regular joe-sixpack to easily grab N95 masks at your local home improvement store.
The media doesn’t talk about this. Sleepy Joe doesn’t note this in his rhetoric against Trump. Everyone seems resigned to surgical masks being enough, for some reason.
I’ll stick with the pre TDS science. Thanks.
JCer . . .
Regarding an “awakening” in this State against the high taxes and other ineffective leftist policies, I was just thinking about this recently.
I think there will not be an awakening for some time.
25% of NJ is foreign born. Generally, less political engagement among the foreign born households, in my opinion.
Less than 20% of NJ’s population voted in the 2019 (state) elections.
Christie rode some anti-tax and anti-public worker sentiment into office, but the results weren’t that impressive. Many, many average or below average houses in NJ with $10k per year property tax bills. Everyone knows the other taxes are high, but family, friend, community, and business ties keep a lot of us around.
At some point in the future, the high taxation must break the State, though. I’m not sure what that process will look like. De-population? Detroit-ification? Is South Jersey worse off or North?
Crushed. The stock market is the ONLY THING keeping NJ out of the ICU. I am really surprised it is taking this long. Then again. Murphy is about to borrow 5 billion. I warned you all about him and everyone from Wall Street. All they really know is how to make money from issuing debt. Maybe Sharia Law would do us all some good?
47 E. Almira Street, Bloomfield, NJ.
$369k list price
3 Bed, 2 Bath
30 x 100 lot
$10K+ in property tax.
What does this State look like when this house is responsible for $20k per year in property tax?
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/47-E-Almira-St_Bloomfield_NJ_07003_M52048-85222?view=qv
Crushed/Lib and the 5 billion can pretty much be spent on anything they deem covid related. But don’t worry if they can’t pay it back, there is that property tax surcharge for all! Only state to have it as I understand. We really are special here. The best and the brightest!!
Leftist media creates false memories about Trump’s Charlottesville words.
Here’s a direct quote from Trump, regarding the fine people on both sides of the monument removal.
“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Of course for the leftist media, anyone not currently obsessed with race based redistribute “justice” and not willing to let BLM reconstruct society is a white nationalist.
Lib . . . yes, agreed that the stock market keeps people in NJ feeling ok with wealth effect. Also, wealth effect feeling from home equity, to date.
I hope I am wrong and this State is more sustainable than I picture.
Crushed: Much quicker to get out of the stock market then out of an over inflated crap shack. I see houses in the crappiest physical location,super busy streets, off the side of highway exit ramps, backing up to strip malls, all selling! I wonder how the people buying them convince themselves they made the right decision.
That gas tax and toll increase are pretty big. Then we have to pay for all of the empty trains and buses which didn’t even come close to breaking even when they were over capacity. Then there is the impact of lower salaries due to WFH and the proximity to NY not mattering nearly as much. Essex County could very well look like Flint in a few decades. Though, I see it looking more like Plainfield, Irvington, or Asbury Park. When you drive through those hellholes, you can see the signs of the enormous wealth that used to reside there. But you also realize how they are both never ever going to be able to return to their prior glory.
https://bit.ly/36xTXwJ
My views on cloth face coverings for the public for preventing COVID-19
Michael T. Osterholm
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/07/commentary-my-views-cloth-face-coverings-public-preventing-covid-19
Strike my Charlottesville’s comments from the record. Though, I still don’t get how anyone would want to keep a statue of General Lee around anywhere but in a museum. It’s certainly not worth protesting over.
The truth is, when you let alt-right leader Steve Bannon become a major campaign advisor. Then you deserve to be called a racist.
Lib: I agree as well on the WFH, that’s why this mad dash out of NYC to close in suburbs is irrational in my opinion.
Thanks Joyce, and for those of you who shared your anecdotal stories on incidences of people having children on the spectrum. Hopefully by Thanksgiving, I’ll be able to share a very interesting story of our own about raising our autistic child in Glen Ridge.
For those without the time to read the mask link, the conclusion pretty much says it all.
The good news is that there’s more agreement than disagreement on where to start. Just look at Osterholm and Howard…they hold similar positions on one issue: They both wish the CDC would have given the public the nuanced information about masks back in March and trusted them to understand it. Granted, that might mean presenting the public with a complex message, such as: “We don’t know how well cloth masks work, so distancing should come first, but masks are likely to work to some extent and not everyone can distance themselves.” That’s a mouthful and harder to fit on a bumper sticker than “yes, you should,” or “no, you shouldn’t.” But it comes down to what builds trust more: certainty or honesty?
No One: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-on-charlottesville-i-think-theres-blame-on-both-sides/
Just listened to that whole press conference again. He was saying that mixed in with the Neo-Nazis and extremist groups were good people that just wanted to protest the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue. He claimed they were in a better position to defend their actions because they had a permit and the left protesters didn’t. The protest was organized by ultra-right wing groups. The argument that there were good people mixed into the torch carrying, “jews will not replace us” crowd is specious at best.
While we are going back years debating remarks, can other side shut the f up about out of context Obama’s ‘you did not build that’ which was about roads and infra? Of course they can’t.
Joyce I am a fluid dynamics expert. Don’t ask me how it’s classified or just simply embarrassing.
A cough can contain thousands of droplets which can be expelled up to 50 mph depending on how much air you have in your lungs and how much of a blow hard you are. A sneeze can shoot out your nose at 200 mph and carry even worse stuff than droplets, it can carry the thick milky but tasty phlegm out from the deepest part of the nasal cavity as it’s dredged up and shot out 200 mph straight into someone else face especially when you are looking up while sneezing.
Small droplets containing large amounts of the virus can travel up to 160 feet in the air, and even farther within buildings through HVAC systems. From top to bottom air in sealed buildings is recirculated over and over and the commercial filters used aren’t HEPA they won’t filter the droplets, so inside any building for a period of time with a covid-19 super “erudictator” (made that one up) who coughs, sneezes, and yes even farts at the same time, then well you are in for a trip to the ER or Walmart whichever is closer.
Osterholm is saying in a sensitive way that there is no proof thy they work but go ahead and wear Them. I’m fine With that. I think the masks work as a constant reminder that we’re in a pandemic and have an effect.
But the particles can be much smaller than a droplet. They think it can be spread by shlt the same way that Ebola can. So next time you go into a smelly public bathroom after someone with COVID stunk it up and good luck with your bandana.
From Colts Neck…… drove to Oradell and back on Monday…. $10.20 …. all GSP…
Libturd says:
October 2, 2020 at 2:22 pm
That gas tax and toll increase are pretty big. Then we have to pay for all of the empty trains and buses which didn’t even come close to breaking even when they were over capacity. Then there is the impact of lower salaries due to WFH and the proximity to NY not mattering nearly as much. Essex County could very well look like Flint in a few decades. Though, I see it looking more like Plainfield, Irvington, or Asbury Park. When you drive through those hellholes, you can see the signs of the enormous wealth that used to reside there. But you also realize how they are both never ever going to be able to return to their prior glory.
The house was adjourned by Nancy Pelosi today folks, no COVID-19 bailout coming anytime soon.
Juice exactly, it’s N95 or stay at home. If infection rates go up, I’ll have to break out the P100 full face respirator again I use when dealing with the worst chemicals. That should be enough to prevent me from getting covid anything else is wishful thinking. Stay at home if you can, if you have to be out and exposed to potentially sick people get an N95. To your point the aerosols are circulating in the building and the virus can potentially live for hours in the right conditions. Air handlers should all be equipped with uv light systems.
Pelosi playing the sexist card today.
“Maybe because I’m a woman you expect me to accept — some people expect me to accept whatever they put out, but when I put something out … it’s so partisan,” she said. “When they put it out, it’s ‘Why don’t you take that.’”
Just so we are clear here Pelosi’s number one issue with the latest covid-19 bail out is their demand for state and local aid aka bailout for the tax revenue shortfalls like NYC. No layoffs in the public sector jobs.
JCer – I was in my old office last week to pick some stuff up. They make you apply sanitizer to you hands and take a temp plus wear a simple mask which is what it is. But closing half the toilets? That means the chance of catching covid-19 from a coworker is higher, it’s not like people aren’t going to the bathroom less, they aren’t cleaning the bathroom after every use.
Are far as air handling there are no windows to open, little air exchange with the outside, it’s going to be a mess for anyone forced to go back. I am hearing January now. Probably the worst time for spread of viruses is January – March, it is for the Flu anyway.
I will be home for the duration anyway until the vaccine is here. It’s been seven months now so what is another six or so more.
Mass wearing is likely partially effective for the the individual but it achieved a statistically favorable outcome publicly.
Trump being flown to hospital
Well that’s not good.
I pick Convalescent plasma therapy for $200 Alex! The secret service is probably rounding up blood boys right now in the name of national security.
Trump gets to cut the line too, he knows the CEO or Regeneron.
President Trump has received a dose of an experimental antibody cocktail being developed by the drug maker Regeneron, in addition to several other drugs, including zinc, vitamin D and a heartburn treatment, according to a letter from his doctor that was released by the White House Friday afternoon.
REGN-COV2 Experimental drug, Trump was given a shot today apparently CEO of the company and Trump Are old friends.Stock is up on the news.
“It affects virtually nobody” — Trump
This area is worth what it is because it is a desirable market. Go ahead, move somewhere else and you will end up complaining about said govt and costs, but stuck in a location that doesn’t offer much. You can hate the lifestyle nj provides, but it’s way better than 99% of the locations out there…esp if you are low level rich. High level rich can enjoy 10 million nyc apartments, Miami high rises, or 5 million dollar west coast homes, but for 1 -2 million, not finding a better bang for your buck besides maybe Massachusetts for raising a family. 500-1 million range I’m confident north jersey is the best place to live in the country for that market.
Libturd says:
October 2, 2020 at 2:22 pm
That gas tax and toll increase are pretty big. Then we have to pay for all of the empty trains and buses which didn’t even come close to breaking even when they were over capacity. Then there is the impact of lower salaries due to WFH and the proximity to NY not mattering nearly as much. Essex County could very well look like Flint in a few decades. Though, I see it looking more like Plainfield, Irvington, or Asbury Park. When you drive through those hellholes, you can see the signs of the enormous wealth that used to reside there. But you also realize how they are both never ever going to be able to return to their prior glory.
I think at some point if the economy craters and that’s a virtual what ev for the wealthy, we’ll learn just how interconnected all the species really are. And by species I mean this guy:
https://nypost.com/2020/10/02/new-jersey-hypnotist-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-clients/
Note: He was my first realtor when I bought in 02.
You got a certain kind of madness in NJ, I think it starts in the Pine Barrens and heads up the coast til it parlays into the City in a heap somewhere in the 70s. NY is the draw it always has been, but just like most things I imagine we are stuck with the pre-covid / post-covid mind. Is NY still NY if it’s hollowed out and dangerous. It had a great run that even 9/11 couldn’t stop. Yeah I know DeBlasio, but it’s soooo big as a center and so vital and to see it crap out just makes you a bit sad.
While I am at it, I wanna say that in this entire cluster f*ck they call a pandemic, it’s clear to me that the one thing we can never ever get back is time. The loss of everything else pales.
Essex – When he milked you was it your first time?
He just left calendars… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbZVAhYS-GU
Essex
Did he hypnotize your into buying a split with wood paneling?
Gavin has been out of the spotlight for a while now he is back.
Like or dislike he has a point, and is now suing everybody. They will win when the facts come out. Not that I would join the Proud Boys but they are not about race, sexual orientation or anti-Semitic.
Ron Coleman, who is Jewish, is a lawyer representing Proud Boys founder Gavin McInnes in a defamation lawsuit against the Southern Poverty Law Center and are now suing Joe Biden and the MSM for their nonsense on Tuesday at the debate.
This is not much different that what happened to the Covington Catholic High School kids. You can bet CNN is playing this one different and they are so far, some other reporters however should check with their lawyers they are gonna get served.
re: “thing we can never ever get back is time”
Well said, now tell us about this purchase in 1992. Style of home? Smell like Rheingold and Viceroys? Furniture was crushed velour covered in plastic?
Basement semi finished? Detached garage?
Essex
Did he convince you NJ was the center of the universe and only mouth breathing morons moved away?
7:54 He tickled my knotty pine —
As I recall he was a very nice and responsive fellow. I’m sure this whole thing is just one big misunderstanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsPs_SkwItc
Ex,
Are you sure you posted the right “Show Must Go On” video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nShbmCY-sBA
New Jersey next please…
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/404314/
“In a landmark ruling with far-reaching implications, the Michigan Supreme Court decided Friday that Gov. Gretchen Whitmer violated her constitutional authority by continuing to issue orders to combat COVID-19 without the approval of state lawmakers.”
Gavin was in the news about two years ago when all this PB stuff dropped. I cant remember where he lives, but I think its either Larchmont or Scarsdale. He has means. He was complaining because his neighbors and a lot of people and places in the town where shunning him.
Here is a thread. Its a long one with a lot of links but will give your more of an insight what is going on, on the right and where the PB’s fit in.
https://twitter.com/DavidNeiwert/status/1311820383666933760
Fab – you aren’t one to be shy. Which one, white supremacism or misunderstood misogynism?
A scary thread.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1312187605346263042
Whole Schedule Cancelled
No Tweets Written By POTUS in 21 Hours
Many Statements By White House Found to Be Untrue
No Press Briefing By Trump Doctors
Trump Adviser Calls Situation “Serious”
Suggest Use of Experimental Cocktail Concerning
Only Public Comments by Trump an 18-Second Prerecorded Video
And most worringly “Went Asymptomatic to “Mild” to “Moderate” in <24 Hours"
I suspect Pence is in the circle warming up.
Grim, I’m in Mod.
Is this progress? Are you finally going to give a few of us access to mod the board or bypass the filters?
Juice,
“Which one, white supremacism or misunderstood misogynism?”
Not understanding, can you put some context on the question.
A scary thread. (Trying again,)
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1312187605346263042
Whole Schedule Cancelled
No Tweets Written By P0TUS in 21 Hours
Many Statements By WH Found to Be Untrue
No Press Briefing By Trump Doctors
Trump Adviser Calls Situation “Serious”
Suggest Use of Experimental Concerning
Only Public Comments by Trump an 18-Second Prerecorded Video
And most worringly “Went Asymptomatic to “Mild” to “Moderate” in <24 Hours"
I suspect Pence is in the circle warming up.
And they keep dropping! Who was the Super Spreader?
https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/1312214949658152960
Just off the phone with a buddy from Florida. Seems like 1/2 of NY wants to move there now, paying crazy money for home remodeling on old places just purchased, he does that kind of work. A close friend who is a realtor down there in South Florida near Trump says business could not be better, we are talking about the Polo crowd, nothing I know anything about…
He warned Trump
https://youtu.be/8fwgVUfW_O4
He warned Trump
https://youtu.be/NDgnNb6Cklw
Apartment sales in Manhattan plunged by 46% in the third quarter, as homebuyers continued to flow to the suburbs and Florida, according to new real estate reports.
There are now about 10,000 apartments for sale in Manhattan, which would be a record, according to Compass.
Factors like high unemployment, rising crime and growing sanitation and public transit problems may make buyers reluctant to make a big bet on Manhattan real estate.
Tempting…
https://www.trulia.com/p/ny/new-york/2-e-55th-st-1035-new-york-ny-10022–2088859549
And geezus, the democrats have destroyed these cities and even states… De Blasio, Cuomo, Murphy, Inslee, Newsome with forestry mismanagement, Chicago’s mayor… omg, she’s a wreck!! Where did the democrat party go?
Meanwhile back at the White House Melania is preparing
For any and all contingency.
https://9gag.com/gag/adVbnpV
Caught the tail end of my kids lesson. They had a sentence in spanish and they wanted to learn it word by word over the course of 5 minutes. Teacher calls on kid with the last name Morales and he translates it all right away. Teacher doesn’t actually know any spanish so she had nothing else.
9:03 timeshare Eddie….drink your coveke.
Eddie 9:03,
Seems like a timeshare (four weeks per year) — about 300k plus maintenance plus prop taxes? Full ownership will be about 3.5 to 3.6, right?
Bystander @8:00,
Cain’s family was using his twitter handle after his death, so his warnings weren’t of much use
“Meanwhile back at the White House Melania is preparing
For any and all contingency.”
https://youtu.be/wzT1kO_-xbQ?t=32
New York is where I’d rather stay
I get allergic smelling hay
I just adore a penthouse view
Dahling I love you but give me Park Avenue
Ed, you are posting how Dems destroyed NYC while looking at cheap NYC real estate..classic
Chris Christie got the Virus now too he was coaching Trump for 4 days of debate prep.
Classic part is he thinks he can get a nice pre-war walkup for $300k.
Riiiiight.
I love how the DEMs newly empowered by moral authority think pulling negative ads is a good idea. Yeah, now that Trump has Covid the opposition will see we were right the whole time. Oh, now they’ll understand. Nope.
If the shoe were on the other foot in this blood sport election, i’m sure……f’ing insane.
Bystander,
Ed, you are posting how Dems destroyed NYC while looking at cheap NYC real estate..classic
Uhh… yeah!! Hello?
Rolling blackouts, riots, looting, gas taxes, tolls, filthy streets, massive debt… all the achievements of the left.
Keeping our candidate alive and covid free, achievement of left..thus far.
Keeping our candidate alive and covid free, achievement of left..thus far.
47 years in D.C. and this will be his greatest achievement. That would be the first time in decades the left actually did something other than talk about motifs, mottos and slogans.
Every single available advantage at the fingertips of the Whitehouse to avoid covid infection. Instead they are the source of a major outbreak. The Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight!
Eddie, keep drinking the kool-aid. Better make sure it isn’t infected with covid.
Fat Old Men.
Virus likes. Tasty.
Biggest demographic of all.
Fast Eddie
How would you feel if someone knew they had tested positive, but still threw an indoor party and invited you? This article claims 45 knew he had tested positive and still went to his bedminster fundraiser.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/just-f-ck-f-ck-010351073.html
According to the CDC, only 75 out of 100,000 infected Americans aged 70 to 79 years old will die. That is a 0.075% death rate for that age group.
https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/images/925_FIG5.png
In other words, President Trump has greater than a 99.9% chance of surviving.
And when he is recovered and back in business, it will further expose the irrational hysteria regarding this virus.
Driving on the highway has risks, but we don’t shut down the highway system until we reach a 0% death rate.
McMurphy,
You seem to be a new russian troll. Welcome, but comrade putin should not get his hopes up.
Trump is going to be HermanCainized, expect VP Pence as acting Prez by Wednesday, of course seven days later he too will be out of the picture. Expect the first woman acting prez Pelosi in two weeks with Biden getting it too.
My bet is 3 out of 4 names on the ballot will be on ventilators on election day.
tRuMp BeAts CoVid …. wInNinG
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/03/chris-christie-tests-positive-for-coronavirus.html
Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has tested positive for the coronavirus.
“I will be receiving medical attention today and will keep the necessary folks apprised of my condition,” Christie wrote in a tweet on Saturday.
Christie helped President Trump prepare for last week’s presidential debate and was at the White House ceremony last weekend.
sO bRaVe
Randle
Except when it is you that gets it. And many that don’t die have lasting issues such as heart and cognitive problems.
Irony would be if Trump became more demented than Biden at the debates.
Then we could have a Dementia contest to see which has more dementia.
You know what would be fun? Having to put Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi on the same ventilator at the same time. In side by side beds staring at each other sharing every breath.
I’d pay to see that.
Chris-fkn-Christie.
If there’s anyone that’s likely to not make it through despite aggressive intervention. It’s this guy. I hope he takes the GWB to Presbyterian.
h tee tee ps://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/d8XRQ/5/
Notre Dame president was at the Rose Garden ceremony shook hands with Trump and is now sick. Students want him expelled.
https://wsbt.com/news/operation-education/200-plus-notre-dame-students-call-on-fr-jenkins-to-resign-citing-hypocrisy
What a hell of chicken pox party. Of course knowing the GOP there sure were bats and pangolins, gay ones of course.
https://youtu.be/KNMRD9nCASw
Trump is on supplemental O2
Must mean pneumonia And swelling. I wonder what his lung scans look like. Is it the ground glass we have heard so much about.
Guess what. The White House has first class medical team on staff and facilities to care for all but the sickest. Meaning Trump is fuuuuucked.
Kneel before Zod Assh@le……
I love it when arrogant entitled bullies get taken down.
Die Trump Die!!!!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/newsalerts/video-2259730/Video-Trump-snaps-Biden-Dont-use-word-smart-me.html
President Donald Trump allegedly asked aides if he was going to die before he was transported to the hospital on Friday. Vanity Fair correspondent Gabriel Sherman quoted Republicans familiar with the situation as saying that Trump repeatedly asked: ‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’ Chera (left and inset), a longtime friend and supporter of Trump, died aged 77 from coronavirus in April in New York City. Sherman’s report came as confusion erupted over Trump’s condition after the president’s doctors said he is doing ‘very well’ while White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows (top right) claimed his vitals are ‘very concerning’. Trump’s personal physician Sean Conley (bottom right) told reporters on Saturday: ‘This morning, the president is doing very well. The team and I are extremely happy with the progress the president has made.’ But after Conley’s briefing, Meadows told a pool reporter: ‘The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.’
Just drove through Upper Bergen and part of Rockland County… had to hit some stores, do some shopping. Every house that has an O’Biden/Karmella sign on the lawn didn’t have an American flag. Not one. Ride around and see for yourself. We tried finding one, couldn’t. Every house that had a Trump sign also had an American flag visible. A few didn’t have both, most did, though. Some with American flags didn’t have a Trump sign but it’s known that they’re Trump supporters. These are patriots, Americans, those who believe in what is traditional America.
I started seeing some of these signs as well that states we believe in science, water is real, love is love, blah.. blah.. bullsh1t nonsense, more symbols and empty words. They’re going to save the world (gag). The left talks, they don’t do. I’ve said it repeatedly; to vote for the leftists is to be void of any understanding of what their intentions are… those that make promises to gain votes. A progressive voter doesn’t know what they don’t know, it’s the reason they can’t be swayed or convinced. They believe in intentions, not actions. To ‘feel’ is enough.
That social justice sign is proof positive, it’s a slogan that goes no further than the last line on that wasted piece of carboard. Now, go and hide and pray that O’Biden gets elected. All will be well if he just got elected! If everyone just posted a yard sign and sang their praises on soc1al med1a, then all shall be right in the world!
I like Presidents who don’t need supplemental oxygen….
Interesting, Remdesivir is normally a 5 – 10 day treatment and can wreck your liver.
https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/remdesivir?src=hashtag_click
The mice antibodies have only been tested on 270 people.
This one goes out to Donny:
https://youtu.be/UrgpZ0fUixs
There were a few people holding signs up on a road in the Nanuet area. The signs generally said, “Honk if you paid more in taxes than Trump.” Actually, they had the word ‘then’ not ‘than’. These are what is known as the current and typical democrat voter… the transient type, meandering, still seeking purpose well into adulthood. One plan doesn’t seem to work out so they move to another and another, finally finding like-minded souls who also ran aground, now meeting at the same place and time in their lives.
At some point, somebody tried to steer them in a direction that made sense, was more logical, a personal and career path that was more full-proof than not. But they didn’t take the advice or do the required work and effort to get there. It’s sad to see them… they appear unattractive, out of sorts. Their anger is justified according to some but leads to frustration for those that get it because it’s those folks who not only have to tow their own but are forced to tow the line for the weak ones as well.
“According to the CDC, only 75 out of 100,000 infected Americans aged 70 to 79 years old will die. That is a 0.075% death rate for that age group.
https://www.cdc.gov/library/covid19/images/925_FIG5.png
In other words, President Trump has greater than a 99.9% chance of surviving.”
You’re misinterpreting that, either purposely or because of innumeracy. Thats the total death rate of all people aged 70-79 due to Covid. The infection death rate, meaning probability of dying at that age if you are infected is much higher, probably around 4 to 5%. Throw in the fact that he’s been hospitalized and he’s fat and those numbers go up. Still will probably survive though.
Eddie:
Actually, they had the word ‘then’ not ‘than’.
followed by:
At some point, somebody tried to steer them in a direction that made sense, was more logical, a personal and career path that was more full-proof than not
4:56 psychobabble meet bone apple tea.
SomeOne,
The word “fullproof” comes up with an error. I typed it with a hyphen because I don’t like seeing that red, squiggly line beneath a word. Let me know if I need to explain it in a different way.
President Donald Trump allegedly asked aides if he was going to die before he was transported to the hospital on Friday. Vanity Fair correspondent Gabriel Sherman quoted Republicans familiar with the situation as saying that Trump repeatedly asked: ‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’ Chera (left and inset), a longtime friend and supporter of Trump, died aged 77 from coronavirus in April in New York City. Sherman’s report came as confusion erupted over Trump’s condition after the president’s doctors said he is doing ‘very well’ while White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows (top right) claimed his vitals are ‘very concerning’. Trump’s personal physician Sean Conley (bottom right) told reporters on Saturday: ‘This morning, the president is doing very well. The team and I are extremely happy with the progress the president has made.’ But after Conley’s briefing, Meadows told a pool reporter: ‘The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery.’
Trump repeatedly asked: ‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
‘Am I going out like Stan Chera? Am I?’
Well maybe that will make believers out of the Repubs. Hate to have China give Trump their version of the Darwin award.
Eddie,
The word “fullproof” comes up with an error. I typed it with a hyphen because I don’t like seeing that red, squiggly line beneath a word. Let me know if I need to explain it in a different way.
I believe the word you may be looking for is foolproof. Maybe time to reflect and develop a little bit of self doubt?
Former Gov Chris Christie has checked into Morristown Medical Center. I gather there will be no experimental mouse antibody shot for him.
New Video from Trump he looks and sounds scared.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1312525833505058816
Stuck in short Hills area for a few hours. All Biden, no Trump.
What’s really annoying about people and the flag, is that they usually display it wrong. Lots leave it out overnight without a light. There is a guy in The next twin I’ve that has his Trump flag more prominent. Don’t get me started o that’s people with the paper plates and the clothing.
In a joint venture with The Carlyle Group and Charles Kushner, Chera sold the retail portion of 666 Fifth Avenue in two transactions for more than $1 billion; and also the retail portion of the St. Regis Hotel in a joint venture with Lloyd Goldman and Jeffrey Feil for $380 million. In 2010, he began the restoration of The Knickerbocker Hotel in Manhattan. In 2012, Chera purchased 49.9% interest in a four-building Fifth Avenue portfolio that included the Olympic Tower for $1 billion from the Alexander S. Onassis Public Benefit Foundation.
SomeOne,
Maybe time to reflect and develop a little bit of self doubt?
I believe the word you may be looking for is self-doubt.
Fast Crapping Eddie,
Why are you so full of shit over here? Shouldn’t you be at Walter Reed with a big American Flag praying for your dear leader?
Regarding your comments on American Flag and political signs – you drove around neighborhoods to check who has what kinda flag and political signs? What kinda person does that?
My neighbor’s Biden sign was vandalized a few weeks ago. I immediately ordered Biden signs yesterday and promptly put them up in the yard yesterday soon as I got them. I am not jingoistic enough to fly an American flag. I have seen too many stupids fly the American flag and cannot bring myself to be associated with them – even though I probably love this country more than them, believe in “equality for all” more than them, and probably paid more American taxes than they ever did.
By the way, soon after I put up my sign, my 84 yo neighbor called me to ask where I got my signs from. She ordered a couple herself too and they will be coming up soon.
My other friendly neighbors happen to be registered Republicans.. and while we talk all the time and our kids play together, they did not mention the signs at all. What an embarrassment to be a Republican!
30 more days of this excruciating election cycle.
Provided Trump even stays in the race….he’s gonna
Be ‘less Alpha’ with a noticeable wheeze.
My fellow anarchists of New York City:
OK, it looks like the jig is up. The government is on to us. The White House recently labeled New York City an “anarchist jurisdiction,” along with those felt-wearing, Teva-sniffers in Portland and Seattle.
Come on! The first rule of New York City Anarchy Club is nobody talks about New York City Anarchy Club.
Who squealed to the Feds?
Still: There’s nothing to be embarrassed by.
If you live in New York City, you know anarchy isn’t a dirty word—it’s a lifestyle. This is a town that gave the world the chaotic greatness of the Ramones, Lou Reed, Public Enemy, street-cleaning double-parking and the 1986 Mets. This is town where jaywalking is a right, where a crosswalk is a mere suggestion, where real-estate agents show studio apartments with toilets in the kitchens, and, if you don’t give a stranger a middle finger before 9 a.m., you’re living completely wrong.
https://apple.news/AVoZFI9uJSa-PIWZsGhQ2-g
Chris Christie now has it. I would categorize him as high risk.
“Yes: There are reports that some New Yorkers are fleeing town, escaping to mellower communities with open space, bad pizza and pigeons that don’t smoke cigarettes. Good luck to all of them. We’ll still try and help you find “Hamilton” tickets when Broadway reopens.
The truth is, New York right now could use more anarchy, not less. This city is fighting back, but it’s still a little quiet. The busy places aren’t so busy. Times Square is milder than a Wisconsin suburb. Midtown is a desert. You can usually get a seat on the train. Traffic is crawling back, but it’s not yet to skull-crushing, I-may-die-in-this-taxi levels.
This is the weirdest part: New Yorkers are saying hi to each other. We’re looking out.
They won’t tell this version of the story on cable news, but New York City is actually a pretty nice place to live now. This concrete town has faced plenty of crises, and it always finds its way back. Shhhhh. Please don’t tell anyone—especially the Feds.”
That was a good WSJ piece….I know link states Apple news…but it’s a WSJ article
And they knock it out of the park.
Pumps
You can get great pizza in DFW area. There are 3 great and 1 good pizza place in my area. 3 Brooklyn and 1 Bronx expat owned.
The moron that wrote that article is probably originally from somewhere else. They move to NYC and automatically think they are native New Yorkers. As someone born and raised in NYC and with family there. I can say real New Yorkers don’t act like that douche who wrote the article.
Inshallah
Rent: So if you pay more taxes that makes you a better American? Sounding like a rock ribbed Republican.
Go live in Nashville, dude. Leave the nyc market, you have no love for it. Greatest city in the world!! Nyc state of mind.
3b says:
October 3, 2020 at 8:55 pm
Rent: So if you pay more taxes that makes you a better American? Sounding like a rock ribbed Republican
Pumps : Go back to wherever you were it was so nice while you were gone. If you could read my post said nothing about NYC real
Estate it was about what the douche who wrote the article said about New Yorkers. As for you, you know Jack shit about nyc , you grew up and work in New Jersey.
And you moved from nyc to jersey…suck it
Finally realized why you are so bitter, your spouse forced you to leave the
City for north jersey….I understand…
Not the same…hard to find good pizza….facts
Love me a good bar pie🤛🏻
Hold all my beer says:
October 3, 2020 at 8:38 pm
Pumps
You can get great pizza in DFW area. There are 3 great and 1 good pizza place in my area. 3 Brooklyn and 1 Bronx expat owned.
Tsk tsk tsk pumps. America has so many wonderful venues.
NyC is hitting reset it appears. Probably in the long run its OK.
For now though? Lots of carnage.
Pumps – nice to see you are back.
Lay off NYC, as hellholes full of young people tend to produce great music. I am waiting waiting for it.
Chris Bianco moved from Brooklyn to Phoenix and ended up opening a joint that makes the best pizza in the country. It’s not the location, it’s the maker. The ingredients to make great pizza are easily available worldwide right now. We just have a higher concentration of good pizzerias. But there are plenty of gems out there.
Yeah I did, for a lot of reasons, does not change what I said . And suck it? Really ? What are you back in middle school? As for spouses you don’t want to go there Son. Anyhow you are back , and there is no one here who can say you were missed!!
Pumpkin is good people, he’s just….. confused.
Coveké.
BRT One of the best pies I have ever had was in Quebec City a few years ago.
Pumps
If the story had said good bagels are hard to find I would agree. Only 1 local place that doesn’t use frozen dough. And that’s another expat family from nyc.
And these pizza places are real. You’d think you were in north jersey from the decor and only ny sports teams on the tv and the accents of the kitchen staff. My relatives were shocked by how good the pizza was when they came to visit.
And Yelp is full of reviews from New York and nj expats raving about the pizza at these places.
Pizza actually is affected by ‘water’.
NYC has what is known as hard on water.
With respect to Trump/Covid, the medical community has shown that if you treat it prior to days 4-6, prior to viral explosion, you can beat it early and avoid hospitalization altogether. Most of them are opting for HCQ (and now Quercitin since it isn’t politicized like HCQ) combined with Zinc to inhibit viral replication. Antibiotics to prevent respiratory infection. You combine that with immediate antibody transfusion and experimental drugs already proven to inhibit the virus in vitro, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s testing negative by Wed.
A lot of issues with drugs and why they never make the cut is because the drugs can’t pass the digestive system. Our bodies are great at preventing foreign chemicals from entering. That’s why most drugs fail to make it to market. The reality is, most would work just fine if injected directly into the bloodstream. I wouldn’t be surprised if they just went that route.
Pizza actually is affected by ‘water’.
NYC has what is known as hard on water.
Method of leavening and rise time are way more important factors.
My neighborhood is 60/40 on the flags for Trump. The problem is where you see one Trump sign there is also a Gadsden flag.
BTW Nanuet/Rockland is a hotspot now. Too much active cases there and must avoid.
BRT the NYC “water” is a myth. NYC water is mostly surface water from the Catskills, it’s actually softer than is desirable for bread making or pizza for that matter. The only really important factor is that it is not very soft or very hard. A good baker can adjust for the variance in the water, water can also be adjusted, if you are making an artisan pizza you can make it anywhere with any water by adjusting the recipe.
Yes controlling for time and temperature for the fermentation of the dough is critical, it’s amazing but small changes in humidity, temperature, and time can yield wildly different results. Pizza is really simple the ingredients a few(flour, water, salt, cheese, and sauce), what you don’t find in most parts of the country is good pizza joints, the cheap place you get a slice at. Artisanal pizzerias have exploded across the country like craft breweries, if you can get Italian flour and tomatoes(pretty much available anywhere) you don’t need much else.
Bagels are a different story, in most parts of the country bagels are just not as popular nor nearly as profitable as fancy pizza(a peasant food being sold in restaurants for $15-20 a head not to mention the alcohol sold as well). The bakers aren’t likely to be skilled and they typically skip the critical step of boiling the bagel and bungle the rise and you wind up with a soft bread-y disk. I’m sure the matzoh ball soup is crap as well if you can even find it.
It’s not that the water is a myth, it’s that in many parts of the country, people try to make dough with slimy chemically softened water, which sucks for everything. This is why hard water is problematic too, salt softening is cheap but sucks. You need to use RO to remove everything, and start from scratch. This is why naturally soft water is far easier to work with by simply adding mineral supplements. Either way, it’s about being goldilocks. It’s not too difficult to replicate any water from anywhere. Ask any brewer, they’ll tell you. This nonsense about trucking water from NYC, that’s more marketing than reality.
Made plenty of dough with the old Italian guys. Ask them the recipe, they’ll laugh at you. There is no recipe. It’s all about look and feel.
3b, what according to you makes one person one a better American than others?
You seem to think it’s –
Not more taxes;
Not more belief in equal rights;
Not believing in the right to protest;
…
Flying an American flag?
Supporting a President who is a traitor?
Please tell us.
Rent: You deflect. You made a statement that you believe you pay more taxes then others you see flying the American flag, thereby implying that paying more taxes makes you a better American.