C19 Open Discussion Week 36c

From the Star Ledger:

N.J. counties, towns may order 8 p.m. curfew on nonessential businesses to fight coronavirus hot spots, Murphy says

New Jersey counties and municipalities now have the authority to order nonessential businesses to close at 8 p.m. to help slow the spread of the coronavirus under a new rule Gov. Phil Murphy signed Thursday as the state deals with a second wave of the pandemic.

The announcement came the same day new restrictions go into effect for Garden State bars and restaurants that limit the hours of operation for indoor service and also for interstate indoor school sports.

New Jersey on Thursday reported 3,517 more COVID-19 casesand 18 additional deaths.

“Municipalities and counties do not have to impose additional operating-hours restrictions if they do not wish to do so,” Murphy said after he announced his plans to sign the new executive order at his latest coronavirus briefing in Trenton.

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172 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 36c

  1. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix and left wing rescue a Korean Karen

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tdafN0NPaiA

  2. Juice Box says:

    Something is up…A very strange claim from Maria Bartiromo, tin foil hat election tampering kind of stuff.

    She posted this on Twitter to go to Parler To avoid being censored..

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MariaBartiromo

    This is her post on Parler…

    Massive national security issues. Massive. I’m told Dirty Venezuelan & Cuba money behind dominion. The software also has components from china. This is about to explode.

    https://parler.com/profile/Mariabartiromotv/posts

  3. Bystander says:

    Yes JB..it is called dumping idiots with nonsense so they join Parler

  4. Chicago says:

    There is only one JB here and it aint Juice

  5. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    I thought the conspiratists were saying in 2016 the voting machines were secretly controlled by Russia to defeat HRC.

  6. Juice Box aka Sour Grapes says:

    I Find it strange because the author is a reputable journalist. We shall see tomorrow morning.

    As far as my handle it’s time for a new one.

    I was thinking “Sour Grapes”

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Great Pumpkin is coming …

    “This broad-based rally for sin­gle-fam­ily homes marked the first time since 1980 that every metro area tracked by NAR posted an an­nual price in­crease in the same quar­ter, NAR said. Back then, the as­so­ci­a-tion tracked 19 metro ar­eas.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/home-prices-are-rising-everywhere-in-the-u-s-11605220823?st=z5sswbl2rbltwbn&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  8. Sour Grapes in a Box says:

    I have never given money to a politician, not even the check box for a dollar on the tax returns. The money in politics really needs to go.

  9. Juice Box says:

    Pumps my bank Chase just offered me a no cost 2.5% refi mortgage, no payments until February, cash out By the Truckload. I have a 3.5% from 2013, was not planning on doing anything but this is getting ludicrous.

    If the big banks are getting into the race to the bottom again this is going to blow up again. How long before they go negative like Europe?

    It won’t work either, only people going out To eat, Working, driving, shopping, spending, vacationing will arrest this free fall…

    Borrowing does not equal spending..Chaart for all times…

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

  10. 3b says:

    Juice Only a fool would think this is a positive. It’s
    Going to be uglier than 2008. Race to the bottom indeed!!

  11. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Replace “cash” is king with “assets” are king for this decade.

  12. Libturd, dispelling intentional deception (lies) says:

    Anxious to avoid chaos in the electoral college just months before the November vote, the Supreme Court ruled Monday that electors who formally select the president can be required by the state they represent to cast their ballot for the candidate who won their state’s popular vote.

    The justices unanimously rejected the claim that electors have a right under the Constitution to defy their states and vote for the candidate of their choice.

  13. Libturd says:

    Here’s the BS around the Dominion voting machines.

    Just more lies for the conspiracy lovers to promote.

    https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-technology-13c104367924b8192b4fcecf334f7806

    Must be fake news.

  14. Hold my beer says:

    The legendary liberal Karl rove says Biden won. More fake news

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/karl-rove-gently-explains-joe-055000220.html

  15. ExEssex says:

    9:41 how about grape nuts.

  16. njtownhomer says:

    https://twitter.com/RogerMissoCNY/status/1326903671716786176

    GOP lawyers trying to throw out the military ballots. Sickening.
    The damage he is leaving will be monumental. Creating so many Karen’s and Crying Ed’s along the way with no hope for the future.

  17. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Plenty of comments say she is a Karen. Not sure if Japanese but looks like it to me. You don’t have to have the hair to be a Karen.

  18. Phoenix says:

    “I have never given money to a politician, not even the check box for a dollar on the tax returns.”

    Don’t worry, corporations have ways of funneling them plenty of cash. They know how to grease the wheels.

  19. Phoenix says:

    “Do you ever notice how some Philippine and Thai women are just strikingly beautiful”

    Some is the key word. Not sure many believe in dentistry and orthodontics.

  20. Phoenix says:

    ” The most worthless thing is an 18 yrs old male – no income, assets, undefined future, a lot of unknows. Only thing going for him is the power and beauty of youth. An 18 yrs old female has value based on appeal. Move clock 20 yrs, exact reverse in value. Women decline (Karens are born here)”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjNFC-FinU

    “When she was 22 the future looked bright
    But she’s nearly 30 now and she’s out every night
    I see that look in her face, she’s got that look in her eye
    She’s thinking how did I get here and wondering why
    It’s sad but it’s true how society says her life is already over
    There’s nothing to do and there’s nothing to say
    ‘Til the man of her dreams comes along
    Picks her up and puts her over his shoulder
    It seems so unlikely in this day and age
    She’s got an alright job but it’s not a career
    Whenever she thinks about it, it brings her to tears
    ‘Cause all she wants is a boyfriend, she gets one night stands
    She’s thinking how did I get here, I’m doing all that I can”

  21. Phoenix says:

    “I’m doing all that I can” Nope. You are overly picky. You whine and complain about everything. You work and live in climate controlled buildings that men build for you so you can work and live comfortably. And drive Yukons. And so on.

  22. Phoenix says:

    Gotta love the lyrics on this one. Good delivery, not crass like American women. NSFW.

    https://youtu.be/fUYaosyR4bE?t=95

  23. D-FENS says:

    Good morning. Trump won.

    Have a great day

  24. Very Stable Genius says:

    John McCain’s Arizona is officially called.

  25. Chicago says:

    Covfefe

  26. crushednjmillenial says:

    NJ 7-day average of confirmed Covid cases is at 2,900/day today.

    Our past peak (around April 9, 2020) 7-day average of confirmed Covid cases was at 3,600/day.

    I hope everyone has an opportunity to choose to stay home, to the greatest extent possible.

  27. Juice Box says:

    @elonmusk
    ·
    7h
    Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.

  28. crushednjmillenial says:

    I’m an anti-lockdown advocate, but if I was the Governor of NJ, I’d shut the schools down starting on Monday for 2-3 weeks. Similarly, State Govt offices and anything else government-related, because the employees get paid anyway. Also, time to extend DMV deadlines another few months and close the DMV’s except for certain, emergent items.

    I’d probably also mandate that non-medical offices go on 2-week shutdown starting on late next week or Monday, November 23. And, I’d be looking for additional things to shut down for a short time, which would ideally be those that are least-disruptive to the economy. Maybe 1 or 2 weeks for gyms and bars, unfortunately.

    I feel like these measures can act as a circuit breaker for some spread, especially since Thanksgiving is going to cause a lot of new infections.

  29. Libturd says:

    Are any of you guys travelling for Turkey Day? I bailed on our family gathering. We’ll just do it at home with the same five of us. People are cray-cray, selfish and lazy in this country.

  30. Juice Box says:

    Crushed – How about people at risk get vaccinated ASAP? We have now proven social distancing, hand sanitizing and masks aren’t as effective as thought, zap those as risk ASAP and let’s get on with our lives.

    I just watched a segment with HHS Alex Azar about zapping the boomers first with the new mRNA vaccine starting next month around Christmas.

    They supplies are being built now in cold storage -70 C

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/the-story-of-mrna-how-a-once-dismissed-idea-became-a-leading-technology-in-the-covid-vaccine-race/

  31. Libturd says:

    I took a look at the parler (not parlor morons) website. For a site that prides itself on free speech and transparency, it is trying as hard as it possibly can to hide everything at all about the company. You can’t even find the owner, the address or really anything about it.

    Want to hear my conspiracy? Anyone who signs up at that echo chamber is putting themselves on the greatest LIST ever created for individuals who pretend to be patriots to profit off of you. I’m guessing you will need to change your phone numbers once the owner sells that LIST. I won’t sign up there, but I’m curious if they require a phone number and confirmation to join?

    Any hate, I meant to say, free speech advocates want to answer?

  32. Libturd says:

    “We have now proven social distancing, hand sanitizing and masks aren’t as effective as thought.”

    This is NOT true. The latest research points to the exact opposite. Anyone who got in a car during lockdown and went to Shoprite (which is the vast majority) did not participate. Few locked down and socially distanced. Even where there are hand sanitizers at the entrances and exits to commercial locations, I’d say less than a third use them. Masks? Surgical masks do work. But not when you wear them on your chin or below your nose. Most will ONLY opt to wear them when required by the rules of the business, the school or establishment. In a park? Anything goes. In the street? Anything goes. Thanksgiving? Anything goes. We truly have TRUMP to blame for this.

  33. Libturd says:

    Hey patriots.

    You have all been conned yet again!

    Posted byu/cybersec_opossum
    4 months ago
    Parler Will Not Allow You to Delete Your Account
    To be brief: Parler requires the use of a phone number that you have to use to receive login codes as soon as you register. You cannot delete your own account, you have to email them. They do not seem to answer to answer those emails. The only way I was able to get close to getting removed was getting banned for a single post where I said I thought the platform was problematic, with no threats or harassment to individuals.

    First off, yes, you cannot delete your Parler account with a push of a button. There is one mention of an email you have to contact in their Privacy Statement. When I contacted that email, I did not receive any response even after 24 hours. After that I messaged the support email to ask about the status of deleting my account, which are also unanswered. I’ve even stated clearly to both emails that I want my account removed, except for the ban information, and then I want to receive my personal information that is stored on the site as confirmation. Hours later still nothing.

    I shot off a bit of an emergency flair. Some of the YouTubers I watch had promoted it, and the site has had the same ‘trending’ hash tags as long as I had been there. I had put in the top 5 hash tags and @’d some YouTubers that were promoting it with a message that the service is problematic in these regards. This message had no threats, harassment to individuals or groups or anything. Only that I did not want to be on the service any more, that I couldn’t get them to respond to me, and that the platform seems suspicious in a lot of ways. In a little over an hour, my account was banned, still with no response from support@parler.com or account.deletetion@parler.com in my email.

    I broke one of my own rules to sign up as well. I normally like to use social media sites that allow signing in with TOR, save for Google and Facebook owned ones, and I use anonymous contact information to sign up. This is just for my own comfort in this day and age. The captcha they use stops TOR connections, and you have to sign up with a phone number where you can receive a login code as 2FA. You can later switch to an App, but they require the phone number first.

    I’m going to continue on as long as I see that it’s worth it with them but, I’m here to announce that to anyone considering this platform as a freer alternative to Twitter, just don’t. It’s much worse on the problem of censorship and now you know that they will not give you any agency over your account once you sign up. All you’re allowed to do is agree.”

  34. Juice Box says:

    Hide? What is there to hide? It’s a tiny startup company looking to capitalize like any other startup in the social media space. They peddle in txt messages, no different that Twitter or Facebook. Some of the right-wing celebrities, authors, social media stars and now taking heads on cable tv are now bringing their audiences there for a stake in the company.

    In the United States left- and right-wing activists both use digital and legacy media differently to achieve political goals. Trump got over 70 million votes, that means there is plenty of brand to market to a massive audience of social media users.

    And honestly there is bias today in the existing platforms. We can all see that they have censored the controversial right-wing folks but not so much from the controversial left-wing folks, so naturally they have started their own social media to live in their own echo room.

    No different than the monthly subscribers to the NY Times actually…

  35. Libturd says:

    I hope all of you right wing snowflakes are enjoying your new safe space. Sign up your friends (suckers).

  36. Libturd says:

    ” Some of the right-wing celebrities, authors, social media stars and now taking heads on cable tv are now bringing their audiences there for a stake in the company.”

    Wrong. They have tried to obtain stakes, but each have been systematically rejected. Email them and try to have your account deleted. You’ve been duped again. I can cancel my NY Times subscription in a minute, if I had one. I can also obtain it without giving up my phone number. I also know who my money is going to. For what it’s worth? You could be joining a multi-media site owned by George Soros. You would never know. If you are cool with that, so be it.

  37. Juice Box says:

    Turd – re: “You cannot delete your own account, you have to email them. They do not seem to answer to answer those emails”. Sounds like customer service from most big companies today actually.

    This startup has a few dozen people at most, if they get the groundswell they are looking for from angry Trump voters then they will get a few rounds of investments. As far as I know none of the angels, or big boys venture capital investors have given them any money, as least none publicly, no talk of term sheets or vaulations.

  38. Juice Box says:

    Lib – I have not signed up. I am not a joiner, just an observers on social media a “Watcher” of what transpires.

    Here is a more reputable media source than me.

    https://deadline.com/2020/11/parler-growth-donald-trump-facebook-twitter-conservatives-election-2020-1234612982/

  39. Libturd says:

    I read somewhere online that the owner denied Dan Bongino’s investment, regardless of what Dan tweets. Seriously, and I have no horse in this race. I would be very wary about joining that site. At least use a junk email address. Even their profit model doesn’t make any sense. And you are right. They have 30 employees. Without bias, that site screams shyster. YMMV.

  40. JCer says:

    lib, it’s twitter that’s a safe space. Any thing that bothers their ingrained view of the world is censored. Enjoy China/North Korea/Albania, part of the reason that orange clown even gets 70 million votes is because the left is off it’s rocker and has gone all in on cancel culture.

    Maria Bartiromo is a legitimate journalist so that is a very interesting message, this isn’t Hannity or Tucker who blindly repeat what the president says….

  41. Juice Box says:

    Lib – I see them no different than any other startup. A bunch of college friends NERDS apparently all for University of Denver are looking to make it big in the social media space.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmatze/

  42. Libturd says:

    By the way, I just noticed three days ago that Dan Bongino’s know considers himself a strategic partner of the right wing-dominated platform and not an investor. Me thinks all of these right wing broadcasters love it for the free promotion and will continue to promote it (sans investment) as it allows them to speak to their audience without the censorship of Fox Broadcasting. Just as Sir1usXM was supposed to be commercial free, it will change once they sign up enough fools.

  43. Juice Box says:

    And this guy who started out hawking pre-paid wireless and cheap celluar in NYC 20 years ago.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/schwartzjoel/

    They have jumped to 8 million users post election. A drop in the bucket, it will take than that in subscribers before the VCs and Angels get involved.

  44. Libturd says:

    Like I said. I have no horse in this race. Enjoy yourself in the world’s largest right wing echo chamber. I can only imagine the bullsh1t that is going to fester in there. Regardless, I still think you are all being duped something fierce by a huge opportunist in Matze who is simply preying on your commonality. A site that prides itself on free speech and transparency should not require 2FA access.

  45. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Social media influencers make their living by driving clicks to paying advertisers. No different than 20 years ago.

    The internet if fickle, many of these folks Dan Bongino included won’t be relevant in the news cycle once Biden is inaugurated, the media will recast itself once Trump is out and the Covid vaccine is out.

    What is next? Well even the Kardashians are retiring.. So who knows what will drive the eyeballs and clicks this time next year.

  46. 30 year realtor says:

    I know all of the players here. Knew there was something suspicious about their business model for years. Not surprised in the least about Chander. I was surprised to see his parents are involved.

  47. Libturd says:

    Juice. You are mixing up Parlor and Parler. Joel Schwartz is not a scammer. Matze, I have no clue about.

    “Parler believes that people are entitled to security, privacy, and freedom of expression. All personal data is kept confidential, and never sold to third parties. Our concise Community Guidelines are based on fair and just legal precedent, and are enforced by a Community Jury.”

    What privacy?

  48. Libturd says:

    This is kind of interesting?

    https://twitter.com/davetroy/status/1327253991936454663

    I have to write four reviews. Smell you guys later.

  49. Chicago says:

    Stu: is there a reason that the local news discusses the COVID spike and gave a list of reasons including YOUTH HOCKEY?

  50. Juice Box says:

    Ppps did not catch that Lib thanks!

    Jared Thomson another nerd from U of Denver looking to make it big.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomsonjared/

  51. Juice Box says:

    Chi, we have had loads of Covid cluster breakouts in the hokey leagues down here in Monmouth.

  52. Bystander says:

    Very Stable,

    Hard for red hat dolts to understand but words have consequences. Tweets are also words straight from your insane, angry cortex.

  53. Juice Box says:

    30 year, you link.

    Bieber’s celeb pastor who was screwing around, managed to dump his home in Montclair before the scandal hit. How much were they paying this “pastor” 1.5 million dollar home.

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/pascackvalley/news/celeb-pastor-fired-from-church-sold-montclair-home-days-before-admitting-to-affair/797830/

  54. Libturd says:

    Yes Chicago. The link seems to be the rinks that choose to ignore the guidelines and leave their locker rooms open or serve food, etc. You can find the ‘dirty’ rinks. They are the one’s where Livebarn (closed circuit subscription service where family can pay $17 a month to watch their kids play from the comfort of their own homes) is turned off. I am on many hockey forums right now. Based on what I’ve seen at the rinks, they really should shut it down.

    All restaurants should be takeout only too.

    I’ve been down to Atlantic City many times since Covid started. The casin0s are relatively safe due to the rules they’ve put in place and the large amount of security ensuring the rules are followed. Then they opened the restaurants and the number of cases skyrocketed from nearly zero to hundreds. More proof that the masks work.

    https://pressofatlanticcity.com/news/local/atlantic-city-casinos-report-more-than-250-covid-cases-over-several-months-spike-in-october/article_67a686fe-73d4-53ea-bb71-9e6d3f929975.html

    Wear your damn masks people. It worked in most Asian countries it worked in Australia. The Western countries are all too stupid about their freedom and rights to end this pandemic.

  55. Libturd says:

    Yes Chicago. The link seems to be the rinks that choose to ignore the guidelines and leave their locker rooms open or serve food, etc. You can find the ‘dirty’ rinks. They are the one’s where Livebarn (closed circuit subscription service where family can pay $17 a month to watch their kids play from the comfort of their own homes) is turned off. I am on many hockey forums right now. Based on what I’ve seen at the rinks, they really should shut it down.

    All restaurants should be takeout only too.

    I’ve been down to Atlantic City many times since Covid started. The casin0s are relatively safe due to the rules they’ve put in place and the large amount of security ensuring the rules are followed. Then they opened the restaurants and the number of cases skyrocketed from nearly zero to hundreds. More proof that the masks work.

    https://tinyurl.com/libturdAC

    Wear your damn masks people. It worked in most Asian countries it worked in Australia. The Western countries are all too stupid about their freedom and rights to end this pandemic.

  56. No One says:

    So Parler is a Russian conspiracy?
    Isn’t an easier explanation for explosive recent growth a reaction to Twitter and Facebook’s recent aggressive growth of “fact checking” and banning or shadow banning of right wing posts, coupled with more promotion of leftist content?
    I’m still trying to figure out when leftists fell out of love with Russia. Only after the communist party lost power. Before that, they couldn’t stop talking about our need to get friendlier with Russia.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Reported this AM on Maria’s show.

    Distribution deals with Pharmacies for vaccines (they have the right refrigerators) and plan for distribution with States starting with most vulnerable and first responders in December and then Senior Citizens in January..

    https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/video-embed.html?video_id=6209628940001&ref=twitter.com

  58. Libturd says:

    No One.

    There is no doubt that the censorship on Twitter and Facebook is the reason for its success. I won’t behoove it of that. What I am trying to prove is that what people think it is, it probably is not. There is a reason to not trust this Matze character. He is no more creating this site so you can enjoy your full-fledged freedom of social media as Starbucks is serving $5 cups of coffee with a conscience. This site was meant to collect the same data Facebook and Twitter does. At least you can create a profile on both of those sites without giving them your phone number to sell. That’s all I am saying.

  59. ExEssex says:

    11:29 Maria is a stupid has-Been star-f@cker.

  60. ExEssex says:

    Maria Bartiromo may have to be deposed in the divorce case of the former Citi exec who got in trouble for flying her around on the bank’s corporate jet.
    Back in 2007, Todd Thompson, then-head of Citi’s wealth management unit, was fired by then-Citi CEO Chuck Prince for his spending habits and friendship with Bartiromo, according an article that ran on the front page of the Wall Street Journal.

  61. Libturd says:

    I never understood making celebrities out of these newscasters. Most aren’t paid much. None of them write their own stories. All were hired for their ability to read a teleprompter clearly. On Fox, having a decent appearance certainly helps too, especially if you are female. I suppose, some people admire how well the Hannity’s and Maddow’s can conjure up conjecture to make a nothingburger into a Big Mac. But intelligent people can easily smell their bullsh1t a mile away. So in conclusion, the idolization of newscasters (they like to make believe they are journalists) is as stupid as the people who choose to do so.

  62. BRT says:

    I worked with a bunch of PhD engineers. Very high IQ individuals. They worshipped Maddow. I don’t think intelligence matters as much as ability to leave politic bias out of your logical decision making process. I always say, if you find yourself even 75% within agreement that everything a political party says, chances are, you are not objective at all.

  63. Libturd says:

    Today’s Republican Party. I kid you not. This IS real.

    https://tinyurl.com/todaysrepublicanparty

    Jake A, aka Yellowstone Wolf, wrapped in a QAnon flag, addresses Trump supporters outside the Maricopa County, Ariz., Elections Department on Nov. 5.

    It has really morphed into the party of morons. Sorry my friends, but this is what happens when you embrace the lies of a perennial failure I suppose.

  64. 3b says:

    Lib: I just did a quick search. Rachel Maddow makes 7 million a year, Lou Dobbs 6 million a year, and poor Martha Mc Callum comes in at 700 thousand a year. I would say they are all well paid some of course grossly overpaid on both sides.

  65. Libturd says:

    I had no idea they made that kind of money. What a friggin’ joke. I gotta get outta this country.

    Thanks for the correction.

  66. Juice Box says:

    Lib – texting customers who haven’t opted into your marketing program is illegal. What are you saying? I get you don’t want to uses SMS 2FA but there is nothing wrong with 2FA, it prevents the bots that infest lots of social media.

  67. 3b says:

    Lib: It’s a joke, and they all claim they care about the everyman American men and women! They all blow, Dems Repubs Fox, CNN, MSNBC, all of them!

  68. Juice Box says:

    Talking heads have always made allot of money.

    2019 salaries.

    Sean Hannity. Salary – $40 million. …
    Robin Roberts. Salary – $18 million. …
    George Stephanopoulos. Salary – $15 million. …
    Anderson Cooper. Salary – $12 million. …
    Maria Bartiromo. Salary – $10 million. …
    Joe Scarborough. Salary – $8 million. …
    Bret Baier. Salary – $7 million. ..
    Rachel Maddow – $7 million
    Tucker Carlson -$6 million

    https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/highest-paid-news-anchors-15062420

  69. JCer says:

    I was just going to say hannity is filthy rich….not sure why he gets paid what he gets paid. It’s OANN that hires 25 yr old bimbos to read the news….notice there really isn’t much of a difference between the 25 yr old they pay 100k to and the 18m person on fox/MSNBC/CNN…………

    No echo chambers but information should be freely disseminated, put a blanket disclaimer that all this sh*t could be made up or could be real….We should not censor anyone…period. if you want to a take down messages promoting violence you can but it had better rise to the level that law enforcement is required.

    On the celeb pastor’s house, who is paying 1.5m for that? Even 1.2 seems like a lot….I love evangelicals, only with evangelicals do so called “Pastors” live such a high life, they need to go read the bible again!

  70. JCer says:

    Libturd, that’s Murica….not just the republican party

    Both sides have LOTS of useful or not so useful idiots. Both sides have very dishonest candidates. Both sides are morally bankrupt. Both sides willingly believe the most likely false talking points from their parties.

    If you watch Rachael Madcow or Sean Hannitard and think anything they are saying is remotely true you are slow, they are less truthful than OANN(or as I call it the Trump News Network) and the Epoch times…..

  71. JCer says:

    BRT, I hear you. I have a college friend who was brilliant, 1600 on SAT’s, genius level IQ, now has a PhD and works at the Livermore Labs. When I see the TDS facebook posts it’s almost like the brain shuts down when it comes to politics, there is so much dishonesty on both sides vs. the real truth. I don’t understand how you can literally be a Genius and not see through this cr@p.

  72. chicagofinance says:

    Did you ever see her body? She is actually physically repulsive…..and that was 10-12 years ago.

    ExEssex says:
    November 13, 2020 at 12:17 pm
    11:29 Maria is a stupid has-Been star-f@cker.

  73. Juice Box says:

    153,000 new cases! New Record!

  74. No One says:

    On the right, Hannity is overpaid while Carlson is underpaid relative to viewership. Hannity has always just seemed like a guy who just runs with other people’s ideas.
    Robin Robert’s as the next highest paid? I must admit I never watch Good Morning America, and rarely watched shows RR was ever in. Disney must be feeling great about itself paying a gay woman of color so much money. Maybe they will cast her in their next Star Wars spinoff or a Victorian costume drama while they are at it, to teach us all a lesson.

  75. Very Stable Genius says:

    
More than 130 Secret Service officers are said to be infected with coronavirus or quarantining in wake of Trump’s campaign travel


    By Carol D. Leonnig and Josh Dawsey
November 13 at 11:58 AM ET

  76. BRT says:

    BRT, I hear you. I have a college friend who was brilliant, 1600 on SAT’s, genius level IQ, now has a PhD and works at the Livermore Labs. When I see the TDS facebook posts it’s almost like the brain shuts down when it comes to politics, there is so much dishonesty on both sides vs. the real truth. I don’t understand how you can literally be a Genius and not see through this cr@p.

    I can. A lot of the people I met in grad school came from well to do backgrounds. They may have been high IQ individuals, but they lacked common sense or any sense of the real world. They had zero street smarts. When we met up at a bar in downtown New Brunswick, they would do something stupid like park in the Rutgers staff lots and walk through the rough side of town to get to the bar instead of walking along well lit and well patrolled George St.

  77. BRT says:

    Just watching all those talking heads on TV, you can tell they are soulless. I’m sure they are happy to peddle whatever message they are told to on those salaries. They are all smug sanctimonius aholes.

  78. Hold my beer says:

    chicagofinance

    For your viewing pleasure

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xmyo9mBE2U

  79. BRT says:

    So, they are basically finding, down the molecular level, why so few people get severely sick. Genetic mutations within the genes that regulate the immune system. Had this been 1900, the disease would have wiped those mutations out. We are preserving them. Morally, obviously, it’s the right thing to do. But it’s also the type of thing that might lead to bigger outbreaks somewhere out in the future. Kinda like when they get so good at putting out fires that nothing ever burns locally, leaving more fuel until one big fire takes a large portion of the state of California out.

    In an international study in Science, 10 percent of nearly 1,000 Covid-19 patients who developed life-threatening pneumonia had antibodies that disable key immune system proteins called interferons. These antibodies — known as autoantibodies, because they attack the body itself — weren’t found at all in 663 people with mild or asymptomatic Covid-19 infections. Only four of 1,227 healthy patients had the autoantibodies. The study was led by the Covid Human Genetic Effort, which includes 200 research centers in 40 countries.

    “This is one of the most important things we’ve learned about the immune system since the start of the pandemic,” said Dr. Eric Topol, executive vice president for research at Scripps Research in San Diego, who wasn’t involved in the new study. “This is a breakthrough finding.”

    In a second Science study by the same team, the authors found that an additional 3.5 percent of critically ill patients had mutations in genes that control the interferons involved in fighting viruses. Given that the body has 500 to 600 of those genes, it’s possible that researchers will find more mutations, said Qian Zhang, lead author of the second study.

    Interferons serve as the body’s first line of defense against infection, sounding the alarm and activating an army of virus-fighting genes, said virologist Angela Rasmussen, an associate research scientist at the Center for Infection and Immunity at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health.

  80. No One says:

    BRT,
    I wonder how the vaccine does for those few people with the unlucky mutation.

  81. njtownhomer says:

    Rose Garden Total Landscaping (no roses left thanks to Mel)

  82. BRT says:

    My guess would be the vaccine is critical for these people. I doubt they would have a negative reaction to the vaccine itself. This would likely show itself in phase 3 trials if it did.

  83. ExEssex says:

    Maddow is a bit different she writes her own show and publishes books on Watergate.

  84. Very Stable Genius says:

    In 2016 Donald said that 306 Electoral Votes was a landslide.

    Check it out.

  85. Hold my beer says:

    Put that bottle down. Put it down. Hair dye is for closers

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ananavarro/status/1327365227244040192

  86. Juice Box says:

    Rachel Maddow? She is the leader of the Left’s conspiratorial delusions, feeding her audience Russian conspiracy-mongering diatribes night after night for years on end, no better than Hannity.

    I watch neither BTW.

  87. Juice Box says:

    Looks like Trump is waving the white hair of surrender.

    No mention at the press conference today of anything voter related

  88. BRT says:

    Even if he could prove fraud occurred, there’s no way they throw out that many votes. Hopefully we never open up this can of worms that is mail in voting again.

  89. Juice Box says:

    BRT – I am surprised his spray tanner has not moved on.

  90. Hold my beer says:

    Unbelievable how many people are in restaurants. Picking up pizza and the parking lots of the sit down restaurants I passed are full

  91. BRT says:

    It’s very odd. Restaurants were hurting so bad all summer, and no one goes. Murphy gives the green light Sep 1st, and everyone who was scared sh1tless decides it’s party time. I remember riding my bike through town Columbus weekend. Parties and BBQs every other house. Now we have thousands of cases everyday, and no one gives a crap anymore.

  92. 3b says:

    Hold: it never should have made it to a judge.

  93. ExEssex says:

    7:25 mail in voting is here to stay. L-l-l-o-o-s-errrr

  94. BRT says:

    heh, you are way too excited for a 78 year old sell out

  95. Hold my beer says:

    US broke 170,000 new cases today. Another new record

    I thought we would be down to zero by Easter

    I guess next week we will get 1 million new cases for the week and will break 2 million a week in December and the US hospital system will look like nyc in April

  96. AtLeastVirus doingRealityCheck says:

    Any of you connedservative have anything to say about Charles Koch’s come to papa mea culpa interview in the WSJ. Key word “we screwed up.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/charles-koch-partisanship-mistake-boy-did-we-screw-up-wsj-2020-11?op=1

  97. Phoenix says:

    “Any of you connedservative have anything to say about Charles Koch’s come to papa mea culpa”

    I’m neither R nor D, but the system software is running as intended. Those with money are now going to fund the new winner and maintain control and normal operation.

    The house always wins when it is the American political machine. Politicians spread like butter on a hot summer day.

  98. Phoenix says:

    “US broke 170,000 new cases today. Another new record

    I thought we would be down to zero by Easter.”

    I’m not sure why America does not trust it’s scientists. We used to believe in them for the most part.
    Well, sometimes, like teenagers, one has to learn the hard way.
    2 weeks of high fever and deaths in the family might do it for some.
    For others that could turn into the inheritance they always wanted.

    https://youtu.be/oHhyakc04NA?t=22

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This is just the natural progression/evolution of politics in this government. It goes through periods of divisive partisanship, and then goes through periods of compromise. We have survived another divisive period, and now are heading towards a period of unification. This decade is going to rock when it comes to the economy.

    Major bust…check.
    Spark to recovery(vaccine)….check.
    Demographics lining up perfectly….check.
    Politics willing to compromise for the greater good….check.

    BOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    Get ready to make some money!!

    AtLeastVirus doingRealityCheck says:
    November 14, 2020 at 12:43 am
    Any of you connedservative have anything to say about Charles Koch’s come to papa mea culpa interview in the WSJ. Key word “we screwed up.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/charles-koch-partisanship-mistake-boy-did-we-screw-up-wsj-2020-11?op=1

  100. ExEssex says:

    vOrNaDon’t

  101. ExEssex says:

    Maga-douche in chief golfing as COVID spikes
    Loser.com

  102. ExEssex says:

    Great! He’s a billion in debt and due to tax fraud will be paying back Uncle Sam.

  103. SomeOne says:

    Chicago, re payday on speaking circuit:

    If Trump can get people to pay money to hear him speak, good for him. Though, I wonder if they allow all the 2A crowd to such speeches.

    Just for comparison, Hillary was crucified for her speaking circuit work by Bernie, and I think by even some on this board.

  104. Very Stable Genius says:

    My-pillow guy 2024?

  105. BRT says:

    Hillary speaking circuit was while she was running for the highest office in the land, often funded almost exclusively by corporations and foreign entities, under the guise of a non-profit. It amounted to payoffs prior to taking office. It’s not a coincidence that her cash for a speech dropped to $25k the instant she lost the election. Wikileaks showed they used money to spend on things like Chelsea’s wedding.

    If Trump wants to have people pay admission to watch him mouth off, that’s his business. If he’s getting $250k from a big bank like Goldman Sachs or from the Saudi’s for a speech, that’s an awful look.

  106. ExEssex says:

    “Running for” doofus. She had potential power and then none.
    Dammmn drink some more orange kool aid.

  107. SomeOne says:

    BRT,

    If Trump wants to have people pay admission to watch him mouth off, that’s his business. If he’s getting $250k from a big bank like Goldman Sachs or from the Saudi’s for a speech, that’s an awful look.

    If he goes on a circuit and then runs for office again, would that be considered a payoff?

  108. leftwing says:

    Chi, really painful….Ranked 2 nationally last year going into playoffs with a healthy team for the first time in memory AND losing only one impact player to graduation for this season……..ouch.

  109. leftwing says:

    ““When she was 22 the future looked bright
    But she’s nearly 30 now and she’s out every night…”

    Phoenix, I put a ring on my anchor’s finger when she was 31. WTF was I thinking? Where was someone – anyone – to advise me?

    Thinking of starting a marriage/divorce consulting business, LOL…..

    Gender neutral. For earners only though.

  110. BRT says:

    If he goes on a circuit and then runs for office again, would that be considered a payoff?

    As I said, you can’t fault a guy for holding events and charging admission. That’s his right. If he is going on the circuit and collecting money from corporations and foreign entities, that’s a problem.

  111. Bystander says:

    Hold,

    And Prez walking dead now claiming Republican gov. colluding with Stacey Abrams to undermine him during GA recount. Republican party is completely lost, hanging their hats on this lunatic. Defending him makes you complicit in fascist, conspiracy laden faux coup.

  112. Hold my beer says:

    Bystander

    His base won’t care. It’s like a cult

    There are still 16 republican governors who won’t order a mask
    Mandate. Meanwhile Thailand has had 4,000 covid cases since the pandemic started. We are getting that many every 35 minutes

  113. AWellPlaced LightningStrikeDoesWonders says:

    Me thinks Big Changer is the Koch Brothers admitting their ideological exercise has backfired spectacularly.

    It means big ideologically driven big money is gone. Transactional money remains but it ones results not ideology. TrumpGOPCult,Ltd has a shorter life than any one thinks. Shorter because of its vacuousness and bellicosity and way less money to pay for it and is chief of everything is 3/4 of century and not in good shape.

  114. leftwing says:

    “Are any of you guys travelling for Turkey Day? I bailed on our family gathering…”

    Vascillating. Plans were to have my sister, a niece, and a nephew all in from the Midwest at my parents. Everyone has been pretty bubbled so we feel comfortable. Not sure it will happen though…Ironically, the largest area of discomfort is not from long distance travelers but down the street with my BIL’s family…They won’t be over but they are not at all bubbled and my BIL will obviously spend some time there and then what? Come back to my parents?….

  115. leftwing says:

    “Republican party is completely lost, hanging their hats on this lunatic.”

    I’m always confused when people state the Repubs are DJT, DJT has taken over the party, etc, etc.

    DJT is pure expediency for the Repubs. Means to an end. Nothing more, nothing less.

    “TrumpGOPCult,Ltd has a shorter life than any one thinks.”

    This. Establishment Repubs (Romney/McCain wing) hate him. As do Conservatives.

    When Trump is gone…Trump is gone.
    No one, not anyone, is going to be shedding a tear.

    More interesting question is what have the Repubs learned and who will take his place? Will this four year foray strengthen the Establishment wing? Or will the rising GenX/millennials be emboldened recognizing the future of the Party is really with a big tent (latinx, black, etc) and a better messenger could go much farther than Trump or the Party ever imagined with a similar message?

    The Left would do much better to worry about their own Party. Smart Repubs certainly never wanted anything to come of DJT’s lawsuits…suicide pass for anyone in Congress plus they get the ‘benefit’ of the Orange Idiot for four more years lol….Much better to sit back and watch the inevitable internecine warfare rip apart the Dems…There are serious favors to be paid to wildly disparate groups and not nearly enough political capital to cover…..

  116. joyce says:

    I predict Trump will campaign in 2020 in support of Medicare for All, or M4A in short, effectively neutering the Democrats position.

  117. iamrooftog says:

    Parler, Backed by Mercer Family, Makes Play for Conservatives Mad at Facebook, Twitter

    The libertarian-minded platform aims to challenge tech giants through a focus on free speech; surge in users since the election

    As Facebook Inc. and Twitter Inc have taken a harder line against unsubstantiated claims of a stolen presidential election, prominent conservatives on both platforms have responded with anger and a frequent retort: Follow me on Parler.

    Launched in 2018, the libertarian-leaning social network was the most downloaded app on both Android and Apple devices for most of last week, according to data from Google and analytics firm App Annie. Its leaders envision it as a free-speech-focused alternative to the giants of Silicon Valley.

    The platform also has some deep-pocketed investors. Hedge-fund investor Robert Mercer and his daughter Rebekah are among the company’s financial backers, according to people familiar with the matter. The Mercers have previously financed a number of conservative causes.

    More at:
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/parler-backed-by-mercer-family-makes-play-for-conservatives-mad-at-facebook-twitter-11605382430?mod=mhp

  118. ExËssex says:

    6:34 yawn. Conservatives can’t handle reality.

  119. Hold my beer says:

    So the conservatives have their own safe space now?

    Do they realize Parler is French for speak/talk? They might gag on their freedom fries if they found out.

  120. iamrooftog says:

    Ex, HMB: I only posted apropos the discussion earlier about where the funding is coming from. I have no dog in this fight :-)

  121. Hold my beer says:

    I just think it’s funny that the conservatives who started calling French fries freedom fries after France refused to take part in the Iraq war and mocked liberal college kids as snowflakes for wanting safe spaces on campus now have their own safe space with a French word for its name.

  122. ExEssex says:

    Conservatives are an easy group to join.
    Step 1. Get a frontal lobotomy.

  123. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Essex for you. Enjoy.

    https://youtu.be/XycBLF6kWuY

  124. Libturd says:

    Watching a few minutes of the Trump rally today. The pictures reminded me a lot of the same fervor which was displayed in the early days of the Third Reich. Lots of flags flown by a terribly misguided populace.

    https://tinyurl.com/beforeorange

    https://tinyurl.com/afterorange

  125. ExEssex says:

    8:49 pixies good

  126. Phoenix says:

    What kind of attorney even takes a case like this? Birds of a feather. BTW not my type.

    “Move in with her and we would be practically neighbors”

    https://pagesix.com/2020/11/13/brad-pitt-wins-legal-case-against-woman-duped-online-by-fake-brad-pitt/?_ga=2.96930646.852429781.1601422236-84548975.1574989077

  127. chicagofinance says:

    If Trump runs again, it should be fodder for discussion.

    I think my point is in support of my response from several days ago to patent nonsense being posted by FlabMax (or someone similar) suggesting that Trump is finished and the entire clan will be destitute in short order. He just has to stay out of jail.

    SomeOne says:
    November 14, 2020 at 11:57 am
    Chicago, re payday on speaking circuit:

    If Trump can get people to pay money to hear him speak, good for him. Though, I wonder if they allow all the 2A crowd to such speeches.

    Just for comparison, Hillary was crucified for her speaking circuit work by Bernie, and I think by even some on this board.

  128. Phoenix says:

    I would not trust Parler any more than the other platforms. Just more data collection as well and even better as those duped on there will be even more forthcoming.

    We have truly left a screwed up America for our children. And just think, this was the starting plan, and yet here we are..

    https://youtu.be/TKpJjdKcjeo?t=44

  129. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: the first sixty seconds of this made my jaw hit the floor when I heard it….from the Devotional tour which I missed, but got the VHS when it came out……

  130. Phoenix says:

    Trump could die tomorrow but the thought process of those who ideologize him isn’t going anywhere. They are part of the population of America and you need to accept that they exist. Or don’t. It does not matter, they do. And this goes for both sides as there are freak Demmies as well such as rabid Feminists that think all men should disappear. They should be stuck in an elevator with Trump and the power turned off.

  131. chicagofinance says:

    Is safe space the right phrase? I mean isn’t it about having their content suppressed. They are not demanding that others content be removed?

    Hold my beer says:
    November 14, 2020 at 8:13 pm
    I just think it’s funny that the conservatives who started calling French fries freedom fries after France refused to take part in the Iraq war and mocked liberal college kids as snowflakes for wanting safe spaces on campus now have their own safe space with a French word for its name.

  132. Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    Good ob. It’s not a safe space. But honestly there are no safe spaces anymore. Not even your own house when even your damn refrigerator has a camera and microphone in it.

    It will not be long before you get a text on your phone telling you that your sphincter is about to let loose in 10 minutes from what you ate courtesy of AI.

  133. Phoenix says:

    Guess looks are not everything. She is not hard on the eyes. Guy threw all of this away for some strange. Both lost jobs, lost house, family. And the Sk*** he went with- who does married men/ women? And this country and it’s religions chastise others as if it has the most pious individuals.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CHONe5ODr9z/?utm_source=ig_embed

  134. Phoenix says:

    I feel so sorry for their children. Don’t have any if you can’t control yourself.

  135. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    If Trump runs again, it should be fodder for discussion.

    It was more for BRT. Wanted to hear his take. FWIW, Trump did do a speaking circuit before running for Pres.

  136. Grim says:

    Happy Diwali btw

  137. Libturd says:

    Unless it’s Mr. Pillow, I’m not sure what company would pay Trump to speak. Perhaps some Klan chapters and alt-right groups might conjure up a donation? Maybe Goya? The list is awfully short IMO. No company, besides those in the conservative news circuit would dare bring him in. The protest both internally and externally would be instant. Trump is like the Odell Beckham of politicians. Pure poison.

    Am I wrong here?

  138. ExEssex says:

    11:57 very coool.

  139. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Add this to my list of reasons for this decade of “BOOM.”

    “In­vestors who bet U.S. con­sumers would keep pay­ing debts this year are reap­ing a wind­fall as house­holds spend less and save more against the back­drop of a still-ail­ing na­tional econ­omy.

    Bonds backed by con­sumer loans re­turned about 10% through Oc­to­ber, ac­cord­ing to data from Cit­i­group Inc., mak­ing them one of the top-per­form­ing in­vest­ments of 2020. Prices for the so-called as­set-backed se­cu­ri­ties have soared as con­sumers bucked ex­pec­ta-tions and re­sponded to the coro­n­avirus pan­demic by pay­ing down debt at a rapid clip.

    “I don’t know if it will last but what’s hap­pen­ing now in terms of the Amer­i­can con­sumer, well, it’s down­right un-Amer­i­can,” said Paul Nor­ris, head of struc­tured prod­ucts at in­vest­ment firm Con­ning. “We’ve had to throw out the play­book of every­thing we’ve learned about con­sumer be­hav­ior.” Mr. Nor­ris has been adding con­sumer-loan ABS to his $20 bil­lion port­fo­lio through­out the year.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/bond-investors-win-big-betting-on-u-s-consumer-11605436201?st=1lam2a6teoo6ume&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  140. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Director of the Election Crimes Branch at the U.S. Dept. of Justice resigns hours after AG Barr issued a memo for federal prosecutors to investigate allegations of voting irregularities before the results of the presidential race are certified.”

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/doj-s-election-crimes-chief-resigns-after-barr-directs-prosecutors-n1247220

  141. Bystander says:

    The problem with right is that they can be drawn so easily into supporting fascists due to questionable grasps of their own masculinity. They look to a belligerent leader who will punish the LGBTQ community and destroy brown people who are to blame for their strife. Trigger happy crazies like Kyle Rittenhouse are heroes to them. Sick.

  142. Phoenix says:

    Add this to my list of reasons for this decade of “BOOM.”

    Yeah, it’s going to go “BOOM” all right.

  143. Phoenix says:

    Bystander,
    No, it’s because there is no one sane in between these 2 wacked out extremes that is ever put forth as a candidate.

    So you are forced to choose between a psych patient and a dementia patient cause that is who those in power want you to choose from. All others get kneecapped on the way up the ladder.

    https://youtu.be/QAY4P05CvhU?t=2601

  144. Juice Box says:

    So Elon got the RONA…..

    I guess won’t be at the launch today for the Dragon launch to the ISS, or the return of the first two who flew up on the summer launch.

    The Japanese Astronaut was on the ISS 15 years ago and is now 55 years old and flew on two shuttle missions the ISS.

  145. Phoenix says:

    The way my ex acted when I was recording her outburst.
    https://youtu.be/_7vNvkWBbaM?t=232

  146. Very Stable Genius says:

    President Donald Trump has not attended a meeting of the coronavirus task force for 5 months,
    reported The Washington Post Sunday.

    With Trump taking no active role in attempting to slow the disease,
    the number of new cases hit a daily record of 184,000 on Friday.

  147. joyce says:

    Have any states performed antibody studies recently?

  148. Phoenix says:

    “With Trump taking no active role in attempting to slow the disease,
    the number of new cases hit a daily record of 184,000 on Friday.”

    Really. Do Americans have working brain cells? Are masks not available? Are Americans not free to use them as they see fit? Are they unaffordable? Or hand gel?

    It’s not just Trump, its your fellow Americans, like your Karens, who believe they have the right to do whatever they want however they want. Women who need lavish weddings in order to feel good about themselves then cause a super spreader event. Religions that gather together in large numbers. Families that throw parties. Women who walk into stores and spit on people.

    It’s not just Trump, these are your neighbors, your spouses, your “fellow” Americans who believe in individuality and their right over the collective good.

    I, living in America, and being around Americans for quite a long time have learned to accept that this is the way they like it here, so this is the law of the land. Americas legal system is a joke, so don’t expect much from enforcement as even they have shown they are willing to not enforce laws they don’t approve of, or even listen to rulings that judges make.

    If you can’t accept this, you are living in the wrong country. Live and let live, and protect yourself as best you can.

  149. Libturd says:

    There is a reason the per capita case numbers and fatalities too are half of what they are here down in Costa Rica. Sad. Really.

  150. Phoenix says:

    It’s not just a “Trump” thing, it’s an individuals thing. This is the reason that Lib’s 10k plan for everyone to stay home will not work, although in theory it would work quite well.

    Animals are just going to do what they want to do, so many would not stay home but would pocket the 10k anyway.

  151. BRT says:

    Phoenix, you are right. I wouldn’t call this a partisan issue or even a mask issue. Fact is, my neighbors all hate Trumps guts and are proudly displaying their signs on their lawn still. That didn’t stop them from having movie night two weeks ago, with 15 cars outside, and half the people in the kitchen. But it’s all ok because there is a screen door at the kitchen and they have masks on? They remove them every 5 seconds to drink their beer. Consequently, they also held their previous movie night party March 20th this year. They are from New York and everyone coming in had New York plates.

    The town I teach in had major issues with labor day parties creating dozens of confirmed cases because they thought it would be smart to have 30 kids in a garage playing beer pong. This was hosted by a parent. More recently, the cops had to shut down a major party during halloween. 100 high school kids drinking in a single house. That’s 1/3 of the senior class.

  152. Libturd says:

    Yup. That’s America. The dumbest country around.

    Was listening to Howard Stern yesterday. I’m a bit behind, so the show was from the Wednesday after the election. Wolfie was interviewing people in his mother’s nursing home. He gets to this one lady who calls it exactly like it is. She says Americans are puzzies today because they have never had to work a tough day in her life. She went on to explain that when she was a kid, they had to pick tomatoes to go see a movie. She said that lots of people had to quarantine over her lifetime, mainly for childhood diseases. She mentioned, polio, scarlet fever and the measles. If any family member left the home, the neighbors would call the police. This WAS the America that would make a Patriot proud. Now it’s just a country of selfish pr1cks who wouldn’t know what a patriot was if one smacked them across the face.

    The next caller was an ex military sergeant. He had to retire due to PTSD from Afghanistan as well as a gay sexual assualt. He questioned why he fought for our freedom when people in this country won’t even wear a mask to go shopping. He talked about what sacrifice REALLY is. This Trump has done such immeasurable amounts of irreversible damage to this country. I question its ability to survive.

    The rioting that occured after the parade yesterday is probably just the beginning of his true legacy.

  153. Fast Eddie says:

    I see this forum has plummeted into a bacchanalia of left wing m@sturbation. Three days of Trump sucks is the best you can come up with but it’s typical of you neutered souls. You lifeboat liberals are a bundle of sapphic tenderness, halfwits and imbeciles, cradled sucklings who love to gender identify but have no identification, who love to preach of totalitarian utopia, who believe corporations are evil yet government creates wealth. Go wipe your mouths and brush your teeth, I can smell the stench of your liberal discharge from here.

  154. Fast Eddie says:

    This Trump has done such immeasurable amounts of irreversible damage to this country.

    What an asinine statement. Nine house seats flipped red on the federal level, scores more on the state levels and the lower courts, 18% of black men voted for Trump and the majority of Hispanics now identify as Republican. Trump gained more votes than Oblammy and Hildery and the Republican party has become the party of the working class. Trump lost because of the white vote, those bone-colored d1ckheads with rainbow yard signs… the same group that preaches unity only if it doesn’t involve their efforts, money or space.

  155. FastEddie NeedLorazepam says:

    Fast Eddie,

    St. Ronnie is looking for you https://youtu.be/MDHqg_0DyXY

    It could be worse, it could be St.John Paul 2, aka St.Pedo, but you are to old for them.

  156. njtownhomer says:

    Number of votes comparison is meaningless, as more people (could have) voted this year. You gotta look at the percentages. Did he flip any state? No. As GOP being the workers party, totally BS. It may be small biz only, or angry crowd for the stimulus non-receipients. Go do a poll in a manufacturing plant, or a bakery shop, or Costco employees. You won’t see GOP there.

    Soon, GOP will disown Trump. Wait for the flood of legal cases to cover up the lock-down news. Establishment professionals will not move a finger for such a loser.

    Trump ain’t Reagan or Nixon. He will definitely cause a split in the good old party. But insisting Trump the symbol of GOP is immoral and wrong. Cruz, Ryan, Mario, Graham might be a better proxy for the party, but not this finger-triggered, tweetie crooked clan leader. I think if GOP puts a more rational, mild mannered person in charge like Romney, it will gain the popular vote next time around.

  157. joyce says:

    People who are sick should quarantine. Not sure of anyone here disputing that.

    Libturd says:
    November 15, 2020 at 1:41 pm
    Yup. That’s America. The dumbest country around.

    Was listening to Howard Stern yesterday. I’m a bit behind, so the show was from the Wednesday after the election. Wolfie was interviewing people in his mother’s nursing home. He gets to this one lady who calls it exactly like it is. She says Americans are puzzies today because they have never had to work a tough day in her life. She went on to explain that when she was a kid, they had to pick tomatoes to go see a movie. She said that lots of people had to quarantine over her lifetime, mainly for childhood diseases. She mentioned, polio, scarlet fever and the measles. If any family member left the home, the neighbors would call the police. This WAS the America that would make a Patriot proud. Now it’s just a country of selfish pr1cks who wouldn’t know what a patriot was if one smacked them across the face.

  158. ExEssex says:

    1:43 unhinged nonsense.

  159. Fast Eddie says:

    I think if GOP puts a more rational, mild mannered person in charge like Romney, it will gain the popular vote next time around.

    LMAO!! Right.

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