C19 Open Discussion Week 37

Posted on November 16, 2020 by grim
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125 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 37

  1. Hold my beer says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:03 am

    First

  2. Fast Eddie says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:30 am

    Nov 16 (Reuters) – Moderna Inc said on Monday its experimental vaccine was 94.5% effective in preventing COVID-19 based on interim data from a late-stage clinical trial, becoming the second U.S. company in a week to report results that far exceed expectations.

    “We are going to have a vaccine that can stop COVID-19,” Moderna President Stephen Hoge said in a telephone interview.

    It’ll be Trump’s crowning achievement among many despite the barrage and onslaught day after day for four years. To steer a project that went from an unknown illness to vaccine in a matter of months is just astonishing. And go ahead and choke on your skyrocketing house values and bulging 401K’s because of his actions.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/moderna-says-vaccine-94-5-115838005.html

  3. Very Stable Genius says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:37 am

    My 401k has been doing great since the election of president Biden.

  4. Chicago says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:53 am

    Grim: where is the monster that eats the graph?

  5. 30 year realtor says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:09 am

    Trump’s crowning achievement? A vaccine to cure a hoax that will go away like magic? Eddie, which way is it? Bad optics having the cure for a hoax as your crowning achievement.

  6. Juice Box says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:10 am

    MTA numbers, long way back to normal.

    Subway – Thursday, 11/12/20 1,762,973 -70.2% YoY
    LIRR Wednesday, 11/11/20 83,300 -75% YoY
    Metro North – Thursday, 11/12/20 58,200 -80% YoY
    Bus – Thursday, 11/12/20 951,814 -58% YoY

  7. 3b says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:23 am

    Juice: it will get better, but it’s never going back to normal, as a lot of people simply are not gong back to offices.

  8. SomeOne says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:47 am

    Eddie, did you start going commando with masks yet?

  9. Grim says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:56 am

    My father worked plenty with the FDA over his career.

    His quote sums it up. “The FDA can only ever slow things down, they have no mechanism to speed anything up.”

    Attributing anything to the politicians, the administration, or the FDA is completely misguided.

  10. Fast Eddie says:
    November 16, 2020 at 9:01 am

    Soundbites… that’s all you have. Nothing else. At some point you’re going to have to defend the old b@stard and the cunt looking to take over his job. Trillions for special interest groups, for wasted programs that are just paper-ready and trillions to pay cronies and toadies is the very thing you’ll get once again. Keep repeating the tired phrases from the vag-wearing, useless throngs who will produce nothing of value while saying the things you want to hear. I’m still waiting to see words other than “Trump s.ucks.” Tell me what O’Biden is going to do that will be different than the last half-century of his thieving ways.

  11. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:
    November 16, 2020 at 9:47 am

    Very Stable Genius says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:37 am
    My 401k has been doing great since the election of president Biden.

    Me too. I invested in China and Big Tech EFTs. If you can’t beat them . . .

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:
    November 16, 2020 at 9:48 am

    Great graph. Validates my decision not to get a place within easy walk to a train station. Now there’s plenty of cheap parking.

  13. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:08 am

    Eddie,
    I find it hard to argue with your last statement. Biden is useless. However, Trump does not deserve one ounce of credit towards the vaccine. He didn’t “steer” anything. Give credit to those who make way less than he does and pay more in taxes as it is those individuals who are doing the actual work and science in creating a vaccine. In fact, those who are volunteering to take the experimental vaccine should be given more credit than Trump.

  14. 3b says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:18 am

    8 months into this, and the train parking lot is completely empty every day.

  15. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:25 am

    What happened to “supply and demand?” If no one is riding the trains, drop the price and they will come.
    Isn’t that how capitalism is supposed to work?

  16. BRT says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:30 am

    Phoenix, does the fact that the federal government put up the investment money to allow the time it would take for these pharma companies to decide whether or not to move on from Stage 1 to Stage 2 to Stage 3 trials deserve no credit? This process was not rushed scientifically. They took all the non-scientific (most financial) time delays and eliminated them.

    As I said before, designing a vaccine is not terribly difficult anymore. There are about a dozen well accepted pathways to do it and some scientists actually designed some of them mere days after the genetic sequence was published. Of course, he deserves no credit for that.

    Creating an environment and doing what was necessary to get it to the market by December is an accomplishment. And for what it’s worth, the scientists were the ones who came up with this solution to get it to market as soon as possible without compromising the standards for safety and effectiveness, and he followed it.

  17. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:41 am

    Your government has one job. To work for the good of all of the people in America. You are paying for it dearly in taxes. So no it does not deserve “credit” anymore than a car dealership deserves credit for a car you bought from them. They are PAID to do it.

    If a government is not in place to protect you and your rights, there is no reason for it to exist.

    “Phoenix, does the fact that the federal government put up the investment money to allow the time it would take for these pharma companies to decide whether or not to move on from Stage 1 to Stage 2 to Stage 3 trials deserve no credit?”

  18. Fast Eddie says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:41 am

    The left is seething… SEETHING…. burning in a vat of their own self-righteous, oily disdain that the Trump administration has achieved the inevitable end to this plague as well as a list of other tangible milestones. How dare the progressives endure humiliation over their failed policies!! Remember, your savior, Oblammy, gave us Trump. Has there ever been more proof that the big-eared f.uck’s legacy is as invisible as plastic wrap.

  19. BoomerRemover says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:42 am

    3b,

    While, I don’t feel strongly either way about a return to “normal”, taking parking lot temperature now has little predictive value. All the big boys have sent the plebs home until January, March and even June of next year. Manhattan real estate is expensive and tends to be leased by large mega corporations and so it is no wonder that the lots are empty. The smart play – if you don’t have kids like my BIL – was to migrate to a warm sunny, new location for a few months with a laptop and live your best life.

    Is this this largely meaningless efficacy on small test samples a sell the news market event?

  20. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:46 am

    That’s the problem with Americans today. Everything they do they want “credit” or validation for.

    And the heroes. Officer Hero, Nurse Hero, Teacher Hero, Doctor Hero. Everyone doing their job now is suddenly a “hero.” Cop breaks a car window to let out a dog he is a “hero.”

    What is with all of the fragile egos that constantly need to be stroked. Stroke something else.

  21. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:48 am

    “Remember, your savior, Oblammy, gave us Trump.”

    Oblammy let the bankers rob the people and ride off into the sunset.

    So yes there is a bit of truth to this..

  22. Libturd says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:52 am

    Eddie,

    You are aware that Pfiser chose not to participate in warp speed?

    Did you also see this?

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/11/10/us-approves-23-bn-advanced-arms-sale-to-uae-pompeo

    That explains how the peace settlement with Israel occurred.

    Trump’s list of accomplishments is as flimsy as the plank you are walking on.

  23. A Home Buyer says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:01 am

    Lib,

    You guys can volley this back and forth and back and forth… its all semantics at this point.

    https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-joe-biden-donald-trump-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-76d1580f82b1586b207990396c1e3b5f


    However, Pfizer did sign an agreement with the U.S. government in July worth $1.95 billion — if the vaccine pans out and is cleared by the FDA — to supply 100 million doses. That guarantees Pfizer a U.S. market, an important incentive.

    The supply side of Operation Warp Speed also allows Pfizer logistical help, although the company will directly ship its own vaccine, while the government will control shipping of other COVID-19 vaccines

  24. Fast Eddie says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:06 am

    Libturd,

    How dare the UAE defend themselves from Iran and ultimately, Iran from Israel! How dare we broker an agreement to strengthen ties with another country, especially in the middle east!!

    And this:

    July 22 –> NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.

    “Expanding Operation Warp Speed’s diverse portfolio by adding a vaccine from Pfizer and BioNTech increases the odds that we will have a safe, effective vaccine as soon as the end of this year,” said HHS Secretary Alex Azar.

    Please, f.ucking spare me. The left s.ucks… they s.uck hard… they’re nothing but a group of grabbing, loathing deadbeats and outcasts. They’re utopian wannabes who offer nothing but grief and ongoing crisis’.

  25. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:27 am

    “Trump’s crowning achievement? A vaccine to cure a hoax that will go away like magic? Eddie, which way is it? Bad optics having the cure for a hoax as your crowning achievement.”

    Really tiresome. He never called the virus a hoax.

    By continually posting this false narrative are you trying to reveal yourself a troll or idiot?

  26. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:36 am

    “They [Feds] took all the non-scientific (most financial) time delays and eliminated them…Creating an environment and doing what was necessary to get it to the market by December is an accomplishment.”

    Gottlieb was on this morning saying the exact same thing. Actually he went further.

    He said the non-scientific forest clearing was so intense there is much more upside. As an example he gave refrigeration…basically said in a normal process big pharma would spend months if not a year refining the product to try to eliminate excessive refrigeration needs in the distribution channel before getting it near market. In his opinion these normal but time delaying improvements will catch up with the science next year.

  27. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:48 am

    Trump’s head must be exploding….

    Without any reference to any tin hats on FDA/Pfizer/Moderna timing….If Gottlieb were on three weeks ago saying exactly what he did in this morning’s interview DJT is re-elected. Basically, he reconfirmed the timeline the Orange Idiot was blurting for months…

    Separately, in the category of “being a pathological control freak is part of what cost me the election” how could the Idiot not have put Azar out there for the month leading into the election? Presentable, factual, balanced, soothing, and data loaded.

    Truthfully, the most amazing thing to me is Trump won the number of votes he did….which is comforting, because as with HRC it shows just how weak the Dems are that this Orange Buffoon is even competitive.

  28. TruthIsTheEnemy says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:50 am

    Lol, king Phil Murphy is trying to limit the size of private gatherings inside your home? The constitution is such an annoyance.

  29. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 12:09 pm

    And, last thought before I go back to my trading screens and only because I could not let this gem from yesterday pass without comment…

    “I think if GOP puts a more rational, mild mannered person in charge like Romney, it will gain the popular vote next time around.”

    Are you smoking dope?

    The VERY LAST strategy the Repub party needs is to go back to the worn out, establishment/political dynastic, country club, Rockefeller Repub RINOs…..

    EVERYTHING about recent election cycles points the arrow in the exact opposite direction…

    The Party that wins – that locks the Presidency and Congress for multiple cycles – is the one that finds a real world accomplished, intelligent, telegenic, non-threatening, user friendly GenXer populist.

    The likes of Romney? Romney? Are you fcuking kidding? The concurrent Bernie and Trump phenomena was a MAJORITY of American voters telling the two parties to bury the establishment crowd.

    As well, from a purely Repub perspective need I remind you that in the last quarter century the Repubs have lost the WH four times.

    This election, where the incumbent bought a Mossberg 590, loaded it, intentionally pointed it at his feet, and pulled.

    The other three losers were exactly the deep, flaccid establishment figures you recommend – Dole, Romney, and McCain.

    These types need to buried – deeply. Not resurrected.

  30. BRT says:
    November 16, 2020 at 12:18 pm

    Romney lost his election. No one wanted him in the first place. I think a Republican that runs on the same issues (tariffs, controlled immigration, healthcare price transparency, reduced regulation) but without the inflammatory nonsense can easily win.

  31. njtownhomer says:
    November 16, 2020 at 12:39 pm

    Trump would have a hard time to spell “vaccine” come on. He has some credit for the expedition of the CDC/FDA approval process, but a monkey at that position would do that job.

    Romney, Cruz etc. I didn’t nominate them for the next GOP. It was a comparison purpose. I meant someone less establishment and much more gen-X and immigrant/college grad-friendly. Point me to anyone if you see it.

    I can think of Mark Cuban perhaps that can have a significant following. He was thinking about taking a role but chose not to this year.

  32. 3b says:
    November 16, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    Boomer: I know a lot of people indifferent industries, and all have been told by their respective employers, the traditional 5 days a week in the office are over. Makes sense in this digital age as well.

  33. Moderate Vaccine says:
    November 16, 2020 at 1:03 pm

    Pfizer contract w government for COVID-19 vaccine is $19.50 / dose (seems cheap) Need 2 doses spread out by 3 weeks. Pfizer using Ann Arbor facility as shipping depot for vaccine. 350 special freezers to warehouse inventory. Information system being set up to track where vaccine goes and to remind patients to come back for 2nd dose. System will remind patients which product they got since none will remember. Wondering how difficult the cold chain supply will be? Very tight temp tolerances for vaccine to remain efficacious.

    Elisa Slotkin is moderate D from Michigan. Background is intelligence officer. Her take on what’s wrong w her party in article below. She is buds w Mikie Sherrill, navy pilot who is rep from nj 11th district. Also buds w Abigail Spangberger who blew up on D conf call last week, she is former CIA intel. These three get it. Long read, but good insights. Maybe time for third party that brings level headed centrist D & R together and leave extremes on both sides to their legacy parties.

    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/07/10/elissa-slotkin-congress-trump-351513

  34. 30 year realtor says:
    November 16, 2020 at 1:19 pm

    Leftwing? Is labeling me an idiot or troll a part of your scorched earth campaign against the Democrats? Why don’t you question some of the conservative, cartoon character trolls and idiots here about their facts? What crawled up your as$?

  36. BRT says:
    November 16, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    Trump would have a hard time to spell “vaccine” come on. He has some credit for the expedition of the CDC/FDA approval process, but a monkey at that position would do that job.

    I wouldn’t say that. The red tape that was involved on the outset was one of the reasons that the tests took longer than expected to get going. Some politicians are in favor of the massive red tape barriers. Some aren’t.

  37. Very Stable Genius says:
    November 16, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    “While the Republican incumbent, Donald Trump, won a majority of small towns and rural areas, his Democratic challenger, Joe Biden took communities that represent a whopping 70 per cent of the US economy, according to Brookings Institution data. No matter where voters were in the country, if they lived in an economic growth hub, it’s likely that they voted for Mr Biden.”

  38. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 3:42 pm

    “Romney, Cruz etc. I didn’t nominate them for the next GOP. It was a comparison purpose. I meant someone less establishment and much more gen-X and immigrant/college grad-friendly. Point me to anyone if you see it.”

    $64,000 question for both parties. I don’t follow the benches in either party that deeply. Prefer a Governor, there must be a few that fit the mold. Anyone with 15+ years of political experience automatically disqualified. Successful private sector record a must. I don’t have a direct answer to your question but I refuse to believe the three ass-clowns form the prior two elections represent among the best and most qualified we have to offer.

    “I can think of Mark Cuban perhaps that can have a significant following. He was thinking about taking a role but chose not to this year.”

    Too much of a media, slipped and fell into a pile of money buffoon. Basically Trump without the acidity. Pass.

  39. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 3:45 pm

    “Leftwing? Is labeling me an idiot or troll a part of your scorched earth campaign against the Democrats? Why don’t you question some of the conservative, cartoon character trolls and idiots here about their facts? What crawled up your as$?”

    Respect for you. You’re better than posting that drivel 3x.

  40. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    One good thing with Joey B being elected….I can mute press conferences and throw on some music until they’re over…..unlike DJT very unlikely he’ll just blurt out something that will move markets.

  41. leftwing says:
    November 16, 2020 at 3:49 pm

    Although before I got a chance to hit play on the Phish I did hear a commitment for a $10k wipe of student loan debt via forgiveness…..

  42. chicagofinance says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    KNEEL BEFORE ZOD

    Senate hopeful Raphael Warnock: US must ‘repent for its worship of whiteness’

  43. relo says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:04 pm

    Heard the same re: $10k student debt forgiveness. We just paid off all of our kids’ this past year. Sucks to be me right now.

  44. chicagofinance says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:06 pm

    left: Ben Sasse?

  45. 3b says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:09 pm

    Relo We did the same for our kids, paid for all of them. Only morons do the right thing.

  46. Very Stable Genius says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:35 pm

    Hillary Clinton has to be tired of waiting 4 years for the country to realize she was right

    Nov 15, 2020 5:36pm EST by Lauren Floyd, Daily Kos Staff

    Hillary Clinton called it four years ago when she pointed out then-Republican nominee Donald Trump’s propensity to cry system rigging when he happened to face an undesired result.

    “You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is is rigged against him,” she said during the final presidential debate of 2016. “He lost the Iowa caucus. He lost the Wisconsin primary. He said the Republican primary was rigged against him. Then Trump University gets sued for fraud and racketeering; he claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against him. There was even a time when he didn’t get an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row and he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged against him. This, this is a mindset. This is how Donald thinks, and it’s funny. But it’s also really troubling.”

  47. relo says:
    November 16, 2020 at 4:46 pm

    3B,
    Alas, it’s water under the bridge at this point…tried to help them out.

  48. 3b says:
    November 16, 2020 at 5:30 pm

    Relo: Same here. And my kids deeply appreciate it. They really understood once they were out in the world, and found their friends and co workers all had student loans, and some of them are massive! They were also shocked that their parents paid for their tuition.

  49. AG says:
    November 16, 2020 at 5:54 pm

    Trump already won this election. I can’t wait until the ear screaching screams of libtards flood our ears! Heck I bought crayons for their safe place coloring book sessions.

    Jersey shore proud boys will have to disable all avenues to the Jersey Shore in order to keep the North Jersey trash out.

    This isn’t over. It’s only just getting started

  50. BoomerRemover says:
    November 16, 2020 at 6:23 pm

    I see fat Fast Eddie is fast becoming Clot 2.0.

  51. OnlyMS hasResidentsWithIQ Matching AGFatEddie says:
    November 16, 2020 at 6:42 pm

    AG & Fast Eddie,

    Here are your proud boys (nsfw) https://youtu.be/7BGDBc9msV4

  52. SomeOne says:
    November 16, 2020 at 6:57 pm

    Eddie,

    …is seething… SEETHING…. burning in a vat of their own self-righteous, oily disdain

    The projection is strong with this one.

  53. SomeOne says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:02 pm

    Boomer,

    I see fat Fast Eddie is fast becoming Clot 2.0.

    During his time here, Clot was consistent, had a good sense of humor, and provided useful advice.

  54. SomeOne says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:04 pm

    Very Stable Genius

    Hillary Clinton has to be tired of waiting 4 years for the country to realize she was right

    Buttery males!

  55. ExEssex says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:16 pm

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  56. AG says:
    November 16, 2020 at 7:52 pm

    Just keep the north jersey trash out and we can all get along. Why do you vermin have to infect everywhere you go?

    Go make your own fun in Newark losers and enjoy your 15k non tax deductible taxes.

  57. Hold my beer says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:18 pm

    Fast should channel his anger into creating a Tik Tok channel yelling about houses like this guy did.

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/guy-roasts-mcmansions-zillow-favorite-151254786.html

  58. ExEssex says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm

    It’s been great watching the world burn.

  59. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:26 pm

    Bought an expensive fridge. It’s 2020. Damn thing is cold on the top and sides. Energy Star ⭐ my a**. Just like these cheap a** corporations that constantly find ways to give you less product with slick packaging they cheat you on fridge insulation.

    How much do they save by shaving off an inch of closed cell foam? I’ve given the extra 30 bucks instead of making ice cubes on the top of the fridge.

  60. BRT says:
    November 16, 2020 at 9:13 pm

    Bought an expensive fridge. It’s 2020. Damn thing is cold on the top and sides. Energy Star ⭐ my a**. Just like these cheap a** corporations that constantly find ways to give you less product with slick packaging they cheat you on fridge insulation.

    How much do they save by shaving off an inch of closed cell foam? I’ve given the extra 30 bucks instead of making ice cubes on the top of the fridge.

    This is why corporatism is in the sh1tter. You have idiot bean counters who will sacrifice the whole product for an extra $2 if you let them. I learned this in the early 2000s with all my guitar equipment. All the old vintage pedals from the 70s were amazing but all the new stuff I bought was garbage. Turns out, they downgraded the electronics to save maybe $1 at most on a $50 pedal. It reduced the quality so much. So much so, that there were guys who made whole businesses hand building pedals with quality electronic components for $200 to $400 a pop. There was also a budding industry of people opening them up and upgrading the electronics in your pedal for $20. It made no sense as to why they should sacrifice their product quality for such minuscule profits.

  61. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:
    November 16, 2020 at 9:58 pm

    BoomerRemover says:
    November 16, 2020 at 6:23 pm
    I see fat Fast Eddie is fast becoming Clot 2.0.

    I know Clot. That is high praise, indeed.

  62. Comrade Nom Deplume, Embracing the Suck says:
    November 16, 2020 at 10:54 pm

    ExEssex says:
    November 16, 2020 at 8:24 pm
    It’s been great watching the world burn.

    I know, right? I gotta admit, a low intensity civil war would be fun right about now.

  63. Fabius Maximus says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:04 pm

    Hey Eddie ay,

    Are you in Harrisburg tomorrow?
    While you couldn’t help CC bust heads in Trenton, maybe you can help Donnie plead Bullsh1t in PA!

    A federal judge won’t delay tomorrow’s hearing on President Trump’s lawsuit to overturn the election he lost i n Pennsylvania because most of his lawyers quit. His remaining lawyer – who’s also a radio host – will have to go it alone and is “expected to be prepared.”
    https://twitter.com/bradheath/status/1328514432461365249

  64. Fabius Maximus says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:14 pm

    Clot always reminded me of The Pilgrim.

    “He’s a walkin’ contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction,
    Takin’ ev’ry wrong direction on his lonely way back home.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV8KmNoLd2g

  65. Phoenix says:
    November 16, 2020 at 11:15 pm

    Taxpayer suffer everyone else keeps their job.

    NJ.com: Ex-custodian who said boss harassed her with love notes gets $400K and payments for life.
    https://www.nj.com/cape-may-county/2020/11/ex-custodian-who-said-boss-harassed-her-with-love-notes-gets-400k-and-payments-for-lifes.html

  66. SomeOne says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:06 am

    Nom,

    I gotta admit, a low intensity civil war would be fun right about now.

    I trust that you speak in jest. I trust that life hasn’t been unkind to you these days that you’d find a civil war (even a low intensity one) fun…

  67. SomeOne says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:13 am

    Phoenix,

    I think you should give the custodian a break. She was fired from her job after she spoke against harassment, and the whole money is a total of $400K before lawyer fees.

    The “and payments for life” is $1,000 per month for 20 years, all of it coming from a portion of the 400K going into an annuity ($225k). There is a lawyer’s share too.

  68. Chicago says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:19 am

    Martin Gore’s MG project. Releases tomorrow.

    Techno using modular synths. First 30 secs is silent
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=13SiGAPBVu4

  69. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 2:14 am

    “Phoenix,

    I think you should give the custodian a break. She was fired from her job after she spoke against harassment, and the whole money is a total of $400K before lawyer fees.”

    Never said anything about the custodian. It’s those that harassed her that I was talking about.

  70. leftwing says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:26 am

    “You have idiot bean counters who will sacrifice the whole product for an extra $2 if you let them. I learned this in the early 2000s with all my guitar equipment…It made no sense as to why they should sacrifice their product quality for such minuscule profits.”

    The decline of many everyday products started with the big boxes….was banking a client around that time, national appliance name. Big box put a price point out they had to hit. They got there by shaving a little off everything…what stuck in my memory was they even went so far as taking an eighth of an inch off a drive belt….

    Another anecdotal, recall shopping for a laptop about four years ago, there were some differences between HP direct and retailers like Walmart. Not in the electronics but things like trim (metal v plastic).

  71. leftwing says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:30 am

    “I trust that you speak in jest. I trust that life hasn’t been unkind to you these days that you’d find a civil war (even a low intensity one) fun…”

    Life is good…but truthfully watching families with terrified young children being chased through the streets of DC by black hooded arseholes for nothing more than exercising their right to peacefully assemble…..I think a little dustup where legions of these gutless d1cks got lifted off their feet by a slug or two to the chest would be healthy for the national psyche. I would pony up if they put it on pay-per-view.

  72. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:35 am

    The metal plastic alloy has been an awful invention as well. Nearly all the appliances are made of that. Again, I understand the idea to minimize cost and maximize profit, but at some point, I would just like to pay the extra for real quality materials going into my products. I still have a blender from 1950 that works just fine. Back then, they would actually build things over spec and they would last decades.

  73. 3b says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:47 am

    Amazing the custodian keeps his job, and pension. Only in NJ!

  74. leftwing says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:02 am

    Real story, not sure what this says about me so maybe I shouldn’t put it out publicly….

    Best Christmas present a couple years back I dictated specifically to my kids. They thought I was nuts. They shopped it and it is an absolute beast. Rock solid. Weighs a ton. Could probably be used as a lever for something very heavy. Or vertically as a support.

    Needed it, since I frustratingly went through three current models that were effectively made of aluminum foil and broke shortly after purchase.

    An old fashioned ironing board, lol. Cost them a ton, relatively. But I’ll break before it does.

  75. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:16 am

    Pfizer claims 50 million doses by the end of the year.

  76. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:41 am

    Being the usual cynic I wonder what this is about. How much profit is there in doing this? Or is this guy really so wealthy and wants to give back.

    https://bit.ly/3lFsU7g

  77. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:44 am

    I can tolerate cheaper doors in a fridge. It’s the long term unnecessary energy consumption that I find immoral. No reason to waste energy just cause you can afford to.
    Energy that comes from fracking, and soon when Trump signs the bill, from the Arctic.

  78. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:46 am

    “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening. It’s not real,” Doering said, adding that some patients prefer to believe that they have pneumonia or other diseases rather than covid-19, despite seeing their positive test results.”

    Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

  79. Libturd says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:02 am

    “tariffs, controlled immigration, healthcare price transparency, reduced regulation”

    The problem with this agenda is that it’s both pie in the sky and pie in your face, which requires a lunatic to make you believe they are possible ends.

    Tariffs, though fair and noble, don’t work when the divide in our country between the rich and poor is so wide. The rich, as usual, will garner the majority of the gains. Everyone else will pay more for same products they use every day. Will it increase manufacturing over here? Perhaps. But never enough to cover all of the subsidies the government will have to pay to cover for the lost exports. The truth is, as some point in my offspring’s lifetime, China will be fully self sufficient any how. It helps when you believe in your government (so much so, that when a pandemic occurs, your citizenship will make a great sacrifice to wear a mask to save the economy).

    Controlled immigration is another way of saying, I got mine, so F off. Let’s call it what it really is. Immigration quotas. Sorry Carmelita. Even though OUR drug problem has corrupted your government to the point that your army has raped you and your daughters. You can’t come to our country since your husband must be a rapist. This is a completely unnecessary position. Make the path for legal immigration possible. This will allow for citizens to fill all of those bottom rung positions that continue to go unfilled. They are there. I still see them everyday, even during a pandemic. My opinion is that anti-immigration positions play into the hate-filled, xenophobic dogma that is rife with lies, but sure feels good to dumb people looking for an innocent party to blame their woes on.

    Healthcare price transparency? It’s simply too late for that. Without a REAL COUP, it simply ain’t happening. The rich gonna stay rich. Maybe blame it on the Mexicans?

    Reduced regulation. Sure, but to what end. We live in a country where nearly the entire population believes that we can stop school shootings by locking the front door of our schools and practicing active shooter drills. The amount of time and money wasted on this is ludicrous. In nearly every shooting, the shooter was a student. As long as backpacks are still allowed, guns will get into schools and more mass shooting will occur. Quite frankly, a lot of regulation IS necessary. We just need an ombudsman type to make sure that regulation is net positive. Pollution is a real issue. It can’t be ignored. A lot of you guys weren’t around when the Hudson was a mess and there wasn’t a living thing in it. Plus it just plain smelled. You could smell it before you went into the Holland Tunnel and it was gross pretty much all the way up to and past the Bear Mountain Bridge. Same with Laurence Harbor, the Raritan and South River. All smelly disgusting highly polluted rivers. It’s amazing how much regulation has contributed to them cleaning themselves up. Go take a look at the Newark/Passaic River around Harrison or the Ironbound. That’s what they were all like.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/climate-environment/trump-climate-environment-protections/

    The Republicans would do well with getting back to basics around conservative ideals. The truth is, the DNC is a friggin’ mess and you don’t need to play the hate card to beat them. I really believe that a conservative Republican would have beaten Biden this go around. The turnout was not anti-Republican. It was anti Trump.

  80. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:05 am

    I’ve explained why tariffs and immigration are the only policies that can even make a dent. The long story short is…supply/demand of labor. The only way labor gains bargaining power is through supply/demand balances tipping in their favor. There is only one way to accomplish that.

  81. leftwing says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:21 am

    “The Republicans would do well with getting back to basics around conservative ideals. The truth is, the DNC is a friggin’ mess and you don’t need to play the hate card to beat them. I really believe that a conservative Republican would have beaten Biden this go around. The turnout was not anti-Republican. It was anti Trump.”

    This. To the prior conversation of which Party steps up with whom, from the Repub perspective maybe look at some of the original Tea Partiers if they haven’t been thoroughly corrupted since coming to town in that wave. Maybe Cruz or Rubio, assuming they learned from the Trump/Bernie results populism is critical as is bigger tent.

  82. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:26 am

    supply/demand of labor.

    And AI is reducing the demand. The space capsule just docked with the astronauts just sitting there. No input needed from them. Properly configured computers are faster and more accurate than humans.

    Hal: I’m sorry Dave. It’s time for you to S***, shower, shave and Zoom into your meeting. Veriato Cerebral is running and monitoring you so you don’t have time to waste. And when your done, Dave, pick up that dirty sock and don’t leave a dish in the sink or you aren’t getting any from Jessica your Japanese robotic wife. You do remember asking us to program her like a Feminist white woman don’t you Dave?

  83. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:32 am

    Good post, but I don’t agree with this. China is facing a huge demographic problem. They will face massive challenges with their aging population. It’s so big, it will make Japan’s last two decade fight with it look like a walk in the park.

    It’s easy to run a country when everyone’s life is constantly improving, let’s see what happens in China when everyone’s quality of life is no longer improving. Trouble is coming…

    “The truth is, as some point in my offspring’s lifetime, China will be fully self sufficient any how. It helps when you believe in your government (so much so, that when a pandemic occurs, your citizenship will make a great sacrifice to wear a mask to save the economy).”

  84. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:35 am

    “Zarate feels if he hadn’t taken to Facebook to express his disappointment, the restaurant and the three others that close may still be open for business.”

    Gen Z on the warpath. Educated and connected.

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/southpassaic/business/nj-food-server-walks-out-in-protest-accuses-ownership-of-mishandling-covid-19-cases/798041/

  85. leftwing says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:38 am

    “Controlled immigration is another way of saying, I got mine, so F off. Let’s call it what it really is. Immigration quotas. Sorry Carmelita. Even though OUR drug problem has corrupted your government to the point that your army has raped you and your daughters. You can’t come to our country since your husband must be a rapist. This is a completely unnecessary position. Make the path for legal immigration possible.”

    I’ll take the other side of this….

    There are always going to be incredibly destitute and ravaged people in other countries whose lot will uncertainly be improved by migrating here. By definition, since we are the wealthiest nation on earth and billions of people in other countries live in a state of abject poverty.

    It is impossible for the US (or any country) to take them all….therefore immigrations quotas are a given. Whether one finds them distasteful or not, they will always exist. Or, morally and ethically, you must support giving all of the African sub-continent one way tickets to JFK….

    The question really becomes what is the basis for the quotas?

    On one extreme, are we as a nation the equivalent of a private club? Accepting only new members we find desirable, irrespective of the applicants’ needs or desire to join?

    Or are we an entirely altruistic organization, prioritizing those people with the highest need?

    To what extent do our needs as a nation factor in? At all? Somewhat? The highest priority?

    The answer is any one of these approaches can be defended and historically immigration policy over time and across nations has encompassed components of each.

    But, to my point, let’s not get squishy around immigration quotas and individual stories…A rational discussion of the basis for establishing quotas for legal immigration that are enforced is long overdue.

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:43 am

    I’d argue that China has already peaked, and people just don’t realize it yet.

    The Chinese leaders have massive ego’s right now. They truly believe they can control everything to perfection. These fools are going to burn hard.

  87. Very Stable Genius says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:47 am

    Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani seeks to join Pa. vote challenge case after much of legal team quits effort to deny Joe Biden victory

    PUBLISHED TUE, NOV 17 202010:30 AM ESTUPDATED 8 MIN AGO
    Kevin Breuninger

    Dan Mangan

    President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday asked a judge to let him appear in court for hearing in a lawsuit that seeks to stop Pennsylvania from certifying its election results showing a projected victory for President-elect Joe Biden.

    The hearing comes a day after multiple lawyers on the Trump campaign’s legal team withdrew from the case, the second such exodus within a week.

  88. chicagofinance says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    Astronauts have never done anything….. it’s been that way for 55 years.

    Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:26 am
    supply/demand of labor.

    And AI is reducing the demand. The space capsule just docked with the astronauts just sitting there. No input needed from them. Properly configured computers are faster and more accurate than humans.

  89. njtownhomer says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:10 pm

    “Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani seeks to join Pa. vote challenge case after much of legal team quits effort to deny Joe Biden victory”

    Not needed much but Sasha Cohen and Maria Bakalova could attend the hearings to make them more fun.

  90. Libturd says:
    November 17, 2020 at 12:36 pm

    Giuliani is such a fool. He is finished as a respectable public figure. Gotta be a fool to hitch your cart to Hair Biscuit.

  91. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 1:41 pm

    LOL!

    Rudy Giuliani arrives at the Ritz for his press conference

    https://imgur.com/gallery/T7S4bqg#rA44o5O

  92. Hold my beer says:
    November 17, 2020 at 2:14 pm

    Juice

    That is funny. LOL

  93. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 2:38 pm

    Sons school closed until MLK, no cases in school. He got 4 days of live instruction in. For those that perpetually complain about inequality, there is no better way to ensure inequality than keeping kids at home while rich suburban districts still remain in school or rich parents send their kid to private school. At this point, the prudent thing to do would be to force just about every kid to repeat the year unless they pass a well thought out standardized test. That would never happen though.

    My kids are fine…as we put in hours of work with them each day and have the experience and background to teach effectively. Most families can’t pull this off or afford to pay someone else to do it. This is going to ripple it’s way through the educational system for years to come.

  94. OK Boomer says:
    November 17, 2020 at 3:25 pm

    If you want your kids to be independent, ignore them as much as possible.

  95. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 3:35 pm

    John Oliver on voting machines in 2019…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svEuG_ekNT0

  96. 1987 condo says:
    November 17, 2020 at 3:39 pm

    Not sure about the vaunted European health care system, 4 EU countries have higher COVID death rates than US, …Spain, Belgium, Italy and UK….

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

  97. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 3:52 pm

    Now look at their death rates, which are the worst countries in the world and triple it by 3, you have NJ. Although our results have to do with us sending the virus directly to the population most vulnerable while depriving the workers in those facilities any access to PPE.

  98. LurksMcGee says:
    November 17, 2020 at 4:30 pm

    BRT 2:38. I’ve been thinking the same thing. I’m really curious about the ripple effects of the children aged 8-14. Outside of that, I think there’s less effect but I could be wrong.

  99. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    BRT – Right now have a tutor here twice a week for my youngest. Neighbor who is Jewish opted for the Catholic option this year because it’s full time and they cannot be home like me to keep them focused on getting on google classroom on time etc. I won’t be going back to work full time until these vaccines are out and schools are open. There is just no way to do it.

  100. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:10 pm

    Elon killing it.. 3rd Richest person in the world @ 117 Billion.

  101. JCer says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:15 pm

    BRT, NJ is the worst in the world! All kidding aside, at risk populations are a big cause, so age of your population is big. The other thing we do not talk about is the genetic factor. I’m inclined to think by looking at the rates that the R1B Halogroup people have higher incidences of the defective immune response. Concentrations are high in the impacted areas, in Italy, the Northwestern part of the country is most impacted, genetically speaking they cluster with the French and Spaniards. Ashkenazi Jews also seem to have more issues with the virus as well.

  102. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:40 pm

    BTW speaking of Elon.

    They are hiring like crazy for their solar installation teams, even here in New Jersey.

    Their version 3 solar roof is getting close to perfect.

    Short 1 minute video..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wxfs48tQgY&feature=emb_logo

  103. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:46 pm

    BRT,
    Teachers ought to stop whining and step up their game like the rest of us do.

  104. Libturd says:
    November 17, 2020 at 6:27 pm

    The kids will get through this, like they got through years of bombing raids in wars, impossible childhood diseases, famines and a whole host of other issues. Many will end up much stronger having faced adversity for the first times in their lives. If you are that worried about college placement, then you are really not doing your kids any favors. I raised myself, went to sh1tty Montclair State College and probably have more bank than a solid 80% of you as I turned 50 and had to deal with the brain tumor kid. These kids will come out just fine if you raise them to handle adversity as a challenge worth overcoming rather than dwelling on the negative aspects of it. And yes, the poorer will be f-cked once again. But what’s new?

  105. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 6:35 pm

    Evidence that backs up my position earlier in the day. China has already peaked, but no one realizes it yet.

    “Mr. Xi, China’s leader since 2012, needs a new formula for economic transformation. He inherited a growth model based on churning out inexpensive goods that is all but played out as manufacturing costs have risen and other nations began making things elsewhere. He hopes instead to increase domestic spending, which requires fixing the rural economy.

    The strongest leader since Mao and Deng, Mr. Xi is holding up a vision of a countryside brimming with economic promise to try to persuade rural-born people that small towns can offer just as much opportunity as major cities.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-migration-rural-return-xi-economy-11605632518

  106. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 6:38 pm

    Like this? I always told 3b that stay at home is bad for your health unless you have a vibrant family support system in said home. Another one snapped…

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/hackensack/news/google-bad-4-kids-barricaded-teacher-tries-to-jump-out-hackensack-apartment-window/798059/

    Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 5:46 pm
    BRT,
    Teachers ought to stop whining and step up their game like the rest of us do.

  107. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 6:39 pm

    People are on edge…look at this. Watch till the end. Crazy. People are losing it

    https://twitter.com/rexchapman/status/1328811088939540483?s=10

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 6:56 pm

    Comment on that WSJ article about China…nails it

    “One possibility is the fact that China has almost no social security payments system to speak of, but a couple of hundred million people about to retire. So “let’s all go back to the country” to live in poverty again, rather than stay in the cities and cause serious political instability and governmental expense.”

  109. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 7:06 pm

    Teachers ought to stop whining and step up their game like the rest of us do.

    I’d say at this point, 75% of us do, 25% continually complain.

  110. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 7:08 pm

    The kids will get through this, like they got through years of bombing raids in wars, impossible childhood diseases, famines and a whole host of other issues. Many will end up much stronger having faced adversity for the first times in their lives. If you are that worried about college placement, then you are really not doing your kids any favors. I raised myself, went to sh1tty Montclair State College and probably have more bank than a solid 80% of you as I turned 50 and had to deal with the brain tumor kid. These kids will come out just fine if you raise them to handle adversity as a challenge worth overcoming rather than dwelling on the negative aspects of it. And yes, the poorer will be f-cked once again. But what’s new?

    That was when a kid was a failure in school could still get a job soldering something and make a career out of it. If you don’t have your education in this environment, the deck is stacked against you. Like I said, I’m sure my kids and many others will make short work of the competition over the next 10 years. The teacher already had to limit my daughter and another Indian girl in class from answering because the other 90% of the class is just lost.

  111. BRT says:
    November 17, 2020 at 7:12 pm

    BRT – Right now have a tutor here twice a week for my youngest. Neighbor who is Jewish opted for the Catholic option this year because it’s full time and they cannot be home like me to keep them focused on getting on google classroom on time etc. I won’t be going back to work full time until these vaccines are out and schools are open. There is just no way to do it.

    In my town, I live on the wealthier end of town. If you look at my neighborhood 4 or 5 block cluster, there are two families who kept their kid in the public schools. Everyone else went private this year. On the other side of town, the kids are sitting behind screens learning nothing. At my job, the bottom 20% are fading fast and they’re checking out on their virtual days. The bottom 10% is completely disengaged tot he point that they don’t even show up anymore.

  112. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 7:31 pm

    I am all for vaccinating the elderly now. That would be 16% of the population that is age 65 or older or 52 million. Pfizer says they will have that many dosages by Christmas.

    It’s for the children!

  113. Juice Box says:
    November 17, 2020 at 7:33 pm

    California Bar association just voted for mandatory vaccines (recommendation).

    I agree now is the time to start “sticking” the boomers.
    ‘

  114. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:00 pm

    Pumps,
    When you snap it’s job security for me. And right now it’s non stop,full bore, wide open throttle, pedal to the metal…

  115. Phoenix says:
    November 17, 2020 at 8:02 pm

    Give a kid a computer he plays for a day, teach him to hack and he eats government money for life.

  118. 3b says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:09 pm

    Pumps WFH your bogey man is here to stay, best you stop living in the past.

  119. Chicago says:
    November 17, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    Pumps. That video with the bat and car in Flushing is 4 blocks from where I grew up.

  120. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:00 pm

    When America sends way, way, way too many kids to college, labor economics dictates that employers can demand college degrees for jobs that cannot benefit from that level of education. America has a huge surplus of education that has to go to work somewhere doing something to pay back their student loans. I doubt that a college education adds value to even 10% of American jobs. But since everyone has a degree, employers can cherry pick college graduates for even menial jobs. America is a grossly overeducated…and simultaneously very under skilled society. One of my DFAS co-workers was shocked when we hired a newly minted Notre Dame graduate for a menial “dead end” GS-4 clerical job. As I replied, “Hey the kid is lucky to land our job. He is otherwise unemployable and at least we will teach him some skillsets that he can turn into cash and give him a reasonable career path.”

  121. The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:06 pm

    I think this guy makes a good point, but he misses the fact that a good amount of the population are useless. Say, 30-40% of the population….3 out of every ten people are incapable of even showing up to work on a regular basis, never mind holding a job. I’d be careful of taking the position that the population is overeducated.

  122. BoomerRemover says:
    November 17, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    My wife was let go from her position in June and the cush health insurance lapsed shortly thereafter. At first we panicked, but then we realized we could get by paying cash and things were pretty good for a while.

    You can imagine my surprise the other evening when I discovered NJ has something called a “shared responsibility payment” – which is essentially a zombie version of the individual ACA mandate – and I am on the hook for 2.5% of my AGI prorated for the number of months I was unencumbered.

    Just awful.

  123. Chicago says:
    November 17, 2020 at 11:39 pm

    O’Brien, 57, announced Tuesday that he’ll finish his TBS series “Conan” at the completion of its 10th season in June 2021. However, he has signed on for a new, weekly variety series on HBO Max. No specific details were released about the upcoming show.

    “In 1993, Johnny Carson gave me the best advice of my career: ‘As soon as possible, get to a streaming platform,’ ” the flop-topped redhead joked in a statement released by WarnerMedia. “I’m thrilled that I get to continue doing whatever the hell it is I do on HBO Max, and I look forward to a free subscription.”

  124. grim says:
    November 18, 2020 at 5:42 am

    America is not overeducated, it is over-credentialed, there is a difference.

  125. leftwing says:
    November 18, 2020 at 12:07 pm

    “You can imagine my surprise the other evening when I discovered NJ has something called a “shared responsibility payment”…”

    I’ve said it before but it bears repeating….

    If you are part of the citizenry who pay income taxes be very, very afraid anytime a liberal uses the words “fair” or “shared”.

    It most assuredly means they will be reaching their grimy, grabbing hands further into your pocket.

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