From Patch:
NJ Has Nation’s Highest Property Taxes, By A Long Shot: Report
Life in New Jersey tends to guarantee two things: death and high property taxes. The Garden State pays the nation’s highest rate on property taxes by a long shot, with an average bill that’s 43 percent higher than the second-leading state, according to a new report from WalletHub.
New Jersey’s effective real-estate tax rate in 2021 — the most recent year of data — was 2.47 percent, the highest in the U.S. The state also outpaced all others in terms of average annual taxes on a home of state-median value ($8,797 annually for a home valued at $355,700), WalletHub said in its report, released Monday.
That’s 43 percent higher than the state with the second-highest tax bill on a median-priced home — $6,153 per year on a $286,700 property in Connecticut.
Although it doesn’t make up the cost difference in real-estate taxes, New Jersey is one of 25 states without property taxes on vehicles. The nation’s highest vehicle property-tax rate goes to Virginia — 3.96 percent, or $1,039 for a $26,000 car.
New Jersey routinely ranks among the highest in the nation when it comes to property taxes. Average payments and home values have gone up steadily throughout the state over the past decade, regardless of what political party is in power.
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In the past, Murphy has also defended New Jersey’s high taxes, saying they’ve helped the Garden State produce a higher standard of living than most around the country.
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Why not put a property tax on total income …….Murphy would never let that happen that why
Don’t give NJ any ideas with this whole property tax on cars thing.
Tax cars. Use the money to fund green projects and state pensions. It’s a win win for Jersey baby.
my kids school food drive will only accept brown rice and whole grained pasta. No white rice. No semolina pasta. Wtf?
Zuckerberg now copying Musk with paid verification for FB and Insta? A few months ago we had Twitter left for dead, and now Twitter is the industry trendsetter?
10Y 395
BRT: Hackensack homeless center collects winter coats, but now only takes new with the tags on.
Twitter needs about 70 million paid subscribers to turn any profit. It is a long road for
Them to convince businesses and personalities online that they now need to pay $12 a month for the blue check mark.It will be much easier for instagram, it is where all the celebrities promote their image and product.I don’t think any of them will balk at paying Zuck.
When does Grim add a subscription fee? Pretty soon everything online will require some form of payment.
Influencers are bringing in some major income on the backs of these platforms, the least they can do is pony up a few dollars to fund the platform that pays them.
Speaking of, at what point do influencers need to start paying major platform fees for hosting their content? I’m talking about flipping the script entirely – not socials paying for content, but content creators paying for the air-time that funds their enterprises.
If the socials are not the intermediary of these transactions (Ala advertising), why on earth do they have any loyalty to the influencers, who are profiting directly (client to influencer) and cutting out the middlemen?
Why does Mr. Beastmaster get a free ride when it comes to his eyeballs relative to someone say, like Unilever, who has to pay for those same eyeballs?
Given how popular that guy is, he should be paying the socials millions of dollars a year for distributing the content that his companies profit from.
No?
Dollar for dollar, I’d rather spend money on an influencer on social than an ad on that same social platform, it’s simply more effective, has better ROI, has far better accuracy in targeting. All of that ad revenue is now shifting from going to Zuck to private party transactions – yet Zuck still needs to bear the cost of running that enterprise.
Something’s going to give.
3b, that’s been the case forever. They go there, get the new clothes with tags on, return it to the store for or sell it somewhere else. I think the food thing is different though. Someone in school thinking, only low glycemic index foods should be donated.
The “twitter is dead” campaign was a media organized circus where they turned Musk into as Matt Taibbi put it their “Hitler of the month.” It was never true. I can’t believe the shareholders allowed Twitter to function as it did with all that overpaid dead weight producing nothing.
White rice is racist.
Grim, flow of payments go toward value added, no? What has the higher value and is most unique? The content or platform? Same reason phone companies or theater chains are not valued as highly as studios.
BRT: We were told by the center, that the county was concerned about people donating coats that might have bed bugs. We found another private organization that we were able to donate the coats to.
“In the past, Murphy has also defended New Jersey’s high taxes, saying they’ve helped the Garden State produce a higher standard of living than most around the country.”
Stupidity this dense should be illegal…so, expropriating my money from me to run it through a system that on its most efficient day takes a 20% vig (by way of government employee comp and benefits) and on its worst day has major leakage (corruption, inefficiency, etc) and then applying these highly discounted proceeds to whatever discretionary projects in which I have virtually no say produces a higher standard of living for me than just allowing me to keep my money?
Dumb fuck. And dumber even the suckers that buy this bullshit.
“My father…said that he had always been a bar room lawyer and never found a topic he didn’t have an opinion on. I must take after my mother.”
LOL. And I mean that as a compliment.
“His biggest complaint [on law school] was the grind. Each course was 100 pages a week of dry reading and analysis.”
I’m always up for robust debate (ya don’t say lol), love the analytical side of anything, and diving into rabbit holes (100 pages on one obscure topic sounds light a good night for me, yeah I’m Mr Excitement).
I bailed when I saw what a lawyer actually did…early in my career the government and public opinion were trying to shut down LBOs, the whole Barbarians at the Gate thing…that wasn’t middle of our fairway it was our entire fairway…our group retained Skadden to evaluate and I ran point on one issue in particular that was obscure but would have stopped the industry in its tracks (fraudulent conveyance)…I was in heaven…top partners at a top worldwide law firm at my disposal on the corporate dime to specifically do a deep dive on this topic…could not believe I was getting paid to do it…I was convinced I was going to law school until I realized….
That as an interested and obtuse 25 year old this was great…but for the guys on the other end of the line who were Columbia undergrad, Harvard JD, and spent no fewer than seven years in a windowless basement reviewing docs to get to this level maybe humoring an obtuse, clueless 25 year old to be able to log hours in six minute intervals for (at that time) a few hundred bucks an hour was not who I wanted to be 15 years out particularly as it would take those ten additional years of superlative effort as a law school/major law firm associate to get there…pushed the application to the side, stayed where I was.
“I’d rather spend money on an influencer on social than an ad on that same social platform”
What influencer would you use to pitch your hooch to this board? FB 30-50 Northern New Jersey, would hit a large portion of your ideal customer base.
The problem is while Unilever can quite happily utilize a 30sec Superbowl slot, Mr Beast may not be the best vehicle to sell Depends.
Yeah, but did your coats have bedbugs?
3b says:
February 23, 2023 at 9:04 am
BRT: We were told by the center, that the county was concerned about people donating coats that might have bed bugs. We found another private organization that we were able to donate the coats to.
Influencers are to celebrities as brew pubs are to bars.
Left: the problem with corporate law career is that the partners work as much as the associates; they just bill at a higher rate. The drudgery never ends.
Left: the problem with corporate law career is that the partners work as much as the associates; they just bill at a higher rate. The drudgery never ends.
Then, after 7 years, they become a judge. And when they feel like taking a day off, they claim they have a dental appointment-cancel every case, and all the lawyers cancelled laugh as they got paid just to get up in the morning, sit with you for three hours doing absolutely nothing.
Chgo: All we’re clean, many had been dry cleaned, with the plastic cover still on, some were never worn. We had collected about 70, and they did not want them. The other organization was happy to get them.
I’m actually paying higher property taxes in FL than in NJ because while the square feet are the same and the millage in FL is lower than in NJ, my FL home is valued at 2.5x my NJ house. But FL doesn’t levy income taxes on top of that. Thus FL is better financially for people with high incomes. Makes sense that Citadel moved to Miami – home prices and taxes could actually be higher for their high income guys, but after adjusting for income taxes it’s much cheaper.
“…the problem with corporate law career is that the partners work as much as the associates; they just bill at a higher rate. The drudgery never ends.”
Mind numbing. Made a good decision back then on limited data and experience…confirmed later when I became involved with public markets and drafting sessions…these poor sons-a-bitches, so educated and sitting around a table of 25 people parsing the whether “may” or “can” is the correct term in the sixteenth risk factor on page 54 of the prospectus…that literally sounds like hell to me, regardless of the bill rate or the size of the Chappaqua house…..
Then why do people with high incomes stay in NJ at all?
The traffic perhaps? Or is it the best place to get a pension that you can take with you for your retirement in Fl?
“Thus FL is better financially for people with high incomes.”
Left that’s the problem, there are niches you want to get lost in, but the other 95% just seems soul destroying. I had a parking ticket I wanted to dispute. Small town court, midweek, midday and you could see it was the same faces, same dance, new clients. You also knew that the same judge and same lawyers would do the same in a different small town tomorrow. No offense to the lawyers in here.
I had that realization looking over the table as well. Its why I never jumped into the IBs.
No offence to the IB folks.
No One,
If they keep building like they do in Florida, an income tax is inevitable. How are they going to pay for all these new schools and roads down the line when the growth rate comes to a crawl? It’s easy to pay for this chit while building it up, but not so much later. Florida is on the quick road to becoming the most expensive state in the country…they are cali in the 70s and 80s.
Only problem, they get massive hurricanes that level all this chit….how are they going to pay for such a high developed densely populated location that is directly in the path of hurricanes? Of course the fed taxpayer will be left subsidizing this massive bill being created by rich boomers…..what pos. Run from one bill they created in the north while creating another bill for the future in the south. They are doing a hell of a job driving up the costs every where they go…and then leaving like locusts. Should be illegal, but that’s political suicide making people pay the bill they created.
Still making money….once they give it up, they move to Florida.
Phoenix says:
February 23, 2023 at 10:36 am
Then why do people with high incomes stay in NJ at all?
Phoenix,
They have to stay in close proximity to the Federal Reserve Bank of NY, which has a firehose of money spraying around the area. Or at least they think they need to stay.
At some point people in the “knowledge economy” may realize they no longer have to remain with the public grifters and “spread-the-wealthers” of the high-tax states. They don’t bother to even invest all that tax money into the basic goods and services so that people can easily get to the work that pays those taxes. Instead they waste it on funding dependents who vote for them, and basically dare them to leave. Eventually they will.
No One,
So who is paying for the next hurricane that smashes Florida? Every year they build it up more, the more expensive each hurricane becomes. So asking an honest question…who is paying for this? Equivalent of building in a flood zone. Fed govt going to start buying them out in the future when the costs become unbearable?
You are, Jersey Boy. You make nice money, you can afford more tax dollars sent to the poor state of Fl. Too bad the govt didn’t get out of the flood insurance business.
https://youtu.be/fZtXYXBEIn4?t=2129
Mass has better schools and their taxes are half what we pay …..go figure
Guy buys 250k of flood insurance, gets paid 90k, the “insurance” company claims the caved in foundation is “soil movement.”
The “consultants” hire cheap temp labor, and pocket the difference.
The contractors hire illegals to do the work, but bill you union labor rates.
Welcome to America. It’s ingrained in the culture here.
“Then why do people with high incomes stay in NJ at all?”
NJ is a rental State…not with regard to housing, but like a rental car, by a college kid.
Pick it up, drive it hard without any regard to anyone else or the impact on the car, beat the shit out of it, and when you’re done and taken from it what you need drop it off and leave it for someone else, it’s their problem, not yours. And do a quick exit, before the rental company can pick up on some of the shit you pulled.
NJ, the bad color, high mileage, off-model year Avis Toyota Corolla of States.
Hurricanes don’t cost much. Rebuilding does. Floridians send a lot of money to insurance companies in part to pay for rebuilding, which typically only hits a small portion of the state in any given year. People who don’t pay for insurance can either pay to rebuild themselves, or they can sell the land to someone who will.
Lots of people in FL have maybe 20 years to live. The odds that a hurricane wrecks their home in their lifetime is pretty low.
Cost of insurance has been going up a lot. Partly due to a graft where shady law firms gang up with roofers to create huge legal bills for insurers. And partly because reinsurers are getting scared.
Much of California’s most valuable property is built on an earthquake fault line. Should we evacuate that too?
Driving your car to work is probably one of the most dangerous things you do. Should the government ban it?
true sue says:
February 23, 2023 at 11:11 am
Mass has better schools and their taxes are half what we pay …..go figure
But we have gems like this one.
BERKELEY, N.J. − Despite announcing that New Jersey superintendent Triantafillos Parlapanides had resigned a week ago, the Central Regional School District has not accepted his resignation and will not comment on his employment status, except to confirm he is still receiving his $195,343 salary.
On Friday, one week after the district announced he had resigned, the district acknowledged that he was still employed at a salary of $195,353, despite the fact Parlapanides has been replaced in name by acting Superintendent Douglas Corbett, who was previously an assistant superintendent. Corbett’s salary remains at $186,430.
Left: So we are not special in NJ?
Floridians send a lot of money to insurance companies in part to pay for rebuilding, which typically only hits a small portion of the state in any given year.
It wasn’t a money maker for insurance companies. All they do now is distribute government money for a fee, they are just expensive consultants.
Flood insurance companies gave it up, until Ronald Reagan made it so profitable for them they came running back:
https://youtu.be/fZtXYXBEIn4?t=615
Now, how can I monetize my influence here?
Seriously. Influencers are to the feeble-minded consumer as politicians are to their stupid constituents. Both the consumer and the constituent know that the influencer and the politician are clearly in it for themselves, yet they can’t turn off their intentionally groomed addiction to either. Man alive (that’s an old one), are us humans incredibly stupid. It looks like the blind and autistic puppet is going to be the most talented parrot in America. Get your tissues.
“So we are not special in NJ?”
https://imgur.com/mjNFQNW
Yup, drive up the cost and leave the bill for the next guy.
I honestly can’t understand how you can complain about nj when you and others are doing the same exact thing to Florida as you did to NJ.
There is nothing cheap about Florida now, and the got damn future liability they are creating there is morally wrong, but people like you don’t give a f’k….you got yours. Drove out the cheap housing for the locales…and then will leave them with the bill when you die.
“Lots of people in FL have maybe 20 years to live. The odds that a hurricane wrecks their home in their lifetime is pretty low.”
Man alive (that’s an old one), are us humans incredibly stupid.
Predictable. AI will prove that right.
Good ol’ Eddie Bernays:
Bernays believed: “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society.”[4] As a result, Bernays stated that he could encourage women to smoke by linking cigarettes to notions of freedom and rebellion. In 1989, Bernays sought to end the stigma around women smoking in public by creating the campaign “Torches of Freedom.” Interestingly, selling cigarettes was a passion rather than occupation for Hill, and Lucky Strike was his particular favourite, as he was able to elevate it to be America’s best-selling tobacco brand. Hill realized that if he could get women to smoke outdoors, the company could double their female market. Bernays consulted Dr. A. A. Brill, a psychoanalyst, who explained that it was natural for women to want to smoke, and that the push for emancipation has suppressed the feminine desires. Since tobacco products were equated with men, women began to see cigarettes as torches of freedom.
Vroom, vroom…my SPOT and XRT shorts printing today…the pump and dump on SPOT from a couple weeks ago reverted and I’m in 2x my original position…XRT already exited half but still have half remaining with better profit than original exit…
Anyone want to talk me into holding as i tend to exit too early…
“Anyone want to talk me into holding as i tend to exit too early…”
Don’t be greedy.
Today is not the day.
Disclaimer, I am not a financial expert by any means. It’s a guess.
Our mantra is “First, do no harm.”
Insurance in Florida, my BIL was told to expect HO insurance of $20,000 + for his $800,000 build around Sarasota
Closed the XRT…it’s down harder, flirting with support and not as overbought still…may dump half of SPOT only because I doubled down when she pumped so my position size is larger than what I really want although I feel it has further to go…I’ll make a call later…
do no harm (med terms) = capital preservation (finance terms)
I’m good with both.
Nice three weeks on the shorts for me ZIP, SPOT, HOOD, XRT, INTC…pretty flattened out now other than the SPOT and some more INTC….did exit my GOOG long when she went to breakeven, not feeling good there longer term let’s see where she goes I’ll step back in if she goes on sale. Still pissed I missed AFRM at the start of this exercise…freaking layup…
Wow, I never knew of that Bernay’s story. Very saucy. Thanks Phoenix.
Leftwing, you remind me more and more of Expat, every day. That is a compliment.
Could you imagine crying about property taxes in nj and then willingly moving into this trap? Talk about insanity.
It keeps going up every year, and the insurance companies don’t even want to do business in Florida anymore.
1987 Condo says:
February 23, 2023 at 11:47 am
Insurance in Florida, my BIL was told to expect HO insurance of $20,000 + for his $800,000 build around Sarasota
“Leftwing, you remind me more and more of Expat, every day. That is a compliment.”
Taken as such, haven’t thought of him in a while until your mention, you stay in touch with his family at all? Had a couple daughters IIRC?
His contributions here were very helpful to me…
The Great Pumpkin says:
February 23, 2023 at 11:33 am
“Yup, drive up the cost and leave the bill for the next guy…you and others are doing the same exact thing to Florida as you did to NJ.”
Indications are that the vast majority of people leaving for FL/red states are Reps/indies/moderates escaping what Dems/libs/progressives have done to NJ/blue states — at least as of now. The worry in those places is that the Dems that caused the problem will soon follow. Use this blog as a microcosm — those already gone or with ‘red’ property (left, no one, etc) certainly weren’t voting for blue-state Dems, while the high-tax-loving stooges like you and Bi happily stay behind here in the northeast.
The Great Pumpkin says:
February 23, 2023 at 10:59 am
“who is paying for the next hurricane that smashes Florida?”
Don’t confuse the cost of a hurricane(s) — either to residents of FL or to taxpayers more generally who pay for FEMA — with the cost of decades of malfeasant blue-state Dem governance. They ain’t even close; remember the cost of Joe’s recent blue state bailout…
Massive $1.9 Trillion Bill Is a Bailout for Blue States — https://www.manhattan-institute.org/massive-1-9-trillion-bill-is-a-bailout-for-blue-states
1987 Condo says:
February 23, 2023 at 11:47 am
“Insurance in Florida, my BIL was told to expect HO insurance of $20,000…”
FL definitely has a property insurance problem…Unlike the useless, tax-and-spend, pro-criminal, blue-state Dems, FL politicians have already taken initial steps to address it…
https://www.wshblaw.com/news-florida-enacts-sweeping-property-insurance-reform
Left,
The family was not big on social media. My family had dinner with him at his home with his family and he did have two daughters. They were both super, super smart and they will do well if they continue on their current trajectory. His wife was extremely sweet though a little reserved. I actually reached out to his daughters on Instagram about a year ago to share with them a bit about how amazing their dad was and how much he cared about them and pretty much made every decision based on how it would positively impact their lives. It was well received. Haven’t heard anything since, but I’m sure the family is fine. Expat was managing a seven figure future inheritance from another family member at the time of his passing. I’m sure he socked away plenty of his own too. Never have I met another who was such an anti-glass swiper. And man, could that guy pound the beer.
Speaking of Florida.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/195518386658?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=TgZa–HWQoC&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=3MqncCUASaq&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
Remember these?
Nice share lib TY
On Ex, not the bikini. Although that works too.
And the beat goes on…multifamily this time….
https://commercialobserver.com/2023/02/blackstone-cmbs-loan-multifamily-special-servicing/
Hah, Lib..that is classic. Def sent a few of those back home when on spring break in 90s. My fav is “Printed in Ireland”..the lads back there must have enjoyed their job supplying postcards for crazy yanks. I wonder what Irish company was on this one. Sounds like good craic.
https://patch.com/new-jersey/wayne/s/ilbqy/property-tax-overhaul-proposed-by-nj-republicans?utm_source=nearby-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
US economic growth in the fourth quarter was weaker than previously estimated, reflecting a downward revision to consumer spending as the Federal Reserve’s preferred inflation figures were revised higher.
Inflation-adjusted gross domestic product, or the total value of all goods and services produced in the US, increased at a 2.7% annualized rate during the period, Commerce Department data showed Thursday. The figure compares with a previously reported 2.9% advance.
The details of the report point to an economy that was losing steam at the end of 2022. Stripping out trade, government spending, and inventories, a key gauge of underlying demand known as inflation-adjusted final sales to private domestic purchasers rose just 0.1%, the weakest since the start of the pandemic.
Household expenditures increased an annualized 1.4% in the final three months of 2022, restrained by a third-straight quarter of declines in spending on durable goods such as motor vehicles. Consumer spending was previously estimated as rising 2.1%.
While the rapid slowdown in personal spending in particular spurred concerns about the health American consumers, it also bolstered hopes that the economy was slowing in a way that could be consistent with a so-called soft landing.
Recent figures, however, point to a rebound in consumer spending at the start of 2023 and a startlingly strong job market highlighted by the lowest unemployment rate in more than 53 years. That, combined with upward revisions to fourth-quarter inflation, shows risks of more persistent price pressures.
The GDP data showed the personal consumption expenditures price index increased an annualized 3.7% in the fourth quarter, more than the 3.2% pace initially reported. The core measure that excludes food and energy rose an upwardly revised 4.3%.
Solid hiring against a backdrop of limited labor supply has driven up wage costs for companies and risks keeping inflation elevated. While the Fed has aggressively boosted interest rates to cool price pressures, raising the risk of recession, healthy employment growth is a big tailwind for the economy.
Separate figures Thursday showed initial applications for unemployment insurance unexpectedly declined to a three-week low.
While consumer spending was revised lower, business spending was firmer than first reported. Nonresidential fixed investment climbed an annualized 3.3% compared with an advance estimate of 0.7%, largely reflecting stronger outlays on structures and intellectual property.
Personal consumption is poised to be a bigger support for first-quarter growth. The latest Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s GDP Now forecast, as of Feb. 16, sees 2.5% economic growth during the period. Inflation-adjusted spending data for January will be released Friday.
Human nature, dude. Has nothing to do with the political parties and everything to do with greed and lack of morals.
What do you think is going to happen to these red states? You think Florida or Texas are going to be immune to this as they grow their economies? Come on, now!!
“Don’t confuse the cost of a hurricane(s) — either to residents of FL or to taxpayers more generally who pay for FEMA — with the cost of decades of malfeasant blue-state Dem governance. They ain’t even close; remember the cost of Joe’s recent blue state bailout…
Massive $1.9 Trillion Bill Is a Bailout for Blue States — https://www.manhattan-institute.org/massive-1-9-trillion-bill-is-a-bailout-for-blue-states“
They sure took advantage of all the programs when raising their families. Had no problem running up the bill…..where were the protests? So stop with the political bs and acknowledge human nature. You are blaming politics for human nature.
“Indications are that the vast majority of people leaving for FL/red states are Reps/indies/moderates escaping what Dems/libs/progressives have done to NJ/blue states — at least as of now. The worry in those places is that the Dems that caused the problem will soon follow. Use this blog as a microcosm — those already gone or with ‘red’ property (left, no one, etc) certainly weren’t voting for blue-state Dems, while the high-tax-loving stooges like you and Bi happily stay behind here in the northeast.”
Again, how is this any different? Who let’s people build in flood zones and hurricane zones with high density buildings? Who? That’s right…f’ing human nature. Get that money now….who cares about the future problems. Not my problem…as the door closes.
People are pos….whether red or blue. All the same selfish pricks.
“Don’t confuse the cost of a hurricane(s) — either to residents of FL or to taxpayers more generally who pay for FEMA — with the cost of decades of malfeasant blue-state Dem governance.
Pumpkin speaks the troof. Deal wit it.
“They sure took advantage of all the programs when raising their families.”
Not really – the people who are leaving are the ones who paid high property and income taxes throughout their use of the public schools and little local parks, paid for insurance that they used to see doctors and stuff.
The people who sure took advantage of all the programs are the layabouts in Newark and Camden, Patterson, etc who have much bigger families, send them all to extravagantly expensive yet totally failing school systems, get medicaid for their health or just walk in to the emergency rooms that cannot deny them whenever they have a problem. And the school and government bureaucracies who exist to service their miserable lives which they themselves cannot support. Those miserable people don’t ever move to Florida, why would they? Only the NJ “public servants” with nice pensions end up moving to FL, though generally they cannot afford my zip code thankfully.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-in-republican-counties-have-higher-death-rates-than-those-in-democratic-counties/
A growing mortality gap between Republican and Democratic areas may largely stem from policy choices.
“In a study that focused on life expectancy in the U.S. between 1970 and 2014 and that also looked at some benchmarks beyond those years, Montez, Woolf and others showed that in 1959 a person in Oklahoma could expect to live, on average, about the same number of years as a person in similar circumstances who lived in Connecticut. And both states performed relatively well, compared to the other 48. But by 2017 Connecticut’s citizens had a five-year advantage in life expectancy over their peers in Oklahoma, which is a politically conservative state. They were near the top of the chart, whereas Oklahomans were near the bottom.”
“…the people who are leaving [NJ] are the ones who paid high property and income taxes throughout their use of the public schools…”
Or worse, didn’t even get that ‘perk’ as their kids went to private schools…
“The people who sure took advantage of all the programs are the layabouts in Newark and Camden, Patterson, etc…And the school and government bureaucracies who exist to service their miserable lives which they themselves cannot support. Those miserable people don’t ever move to Florida, why would they?”
LOL, Florida and other Red States won’t pay for their ‘entitlements’…that bait is just for NE liberal hell-hole dwelling suckers who for some reason feel compelled to hand over their hard earned dollars to support the underclass to these levels…
You mean the people who had fabulous public schools access with ultra safe “brady bunch” neighborhoods? Not being mean or a dick, but you are blind to how much you have received from this blue state nj govt in your life. You have lived safely with your family, while your kids had access to the best schools and neighborhoods. Those neighborhoods are a product of programs that keep poor in the cities and the expensive cops in the burbs that keep those people out. If you think that is free or normal, you are crazy.
No One says:
February 23, 2023 at 2:53 pm
“They sure took advantage of all the programs when raising their families.”
Not really – the people who are leaving are the ones who paid high property and income taxes throughout their use of the public schools and little local parks, paid for insurance that they used to see doctors and stuff.
The people who sure took advantage of all the programs are the layabouts in Newark and Camden, Patterson, etc who have much bigger families, send them all to extravagantly expensive yet totally failing school systems, get medicaid for their health or just walk in to the emergency rooms that cannot deny them whenever they have a problem. And the school and government bureaucracies who exist to service their miserable lives which they themselves cannot support. Those miserable people don’t ever move to Florida, why would they? Only the NJ “public servants” with nice pensions end up moving to FL, though generally they cannot afford my zip code thankfully.
Why the f/k would you send your kids to private school if you live in a good nj district? Why? And then cry about high taxes….makes no sense.
“Or worse, didn’t even get that ‘perk’ as their kids went to private schools…”
This labor market is creating a ton of future problems…there will be pain.
“Solid hiring against a backdrop of limited labor supply has driven up wage costs for companies and risks keeping inflation elevated. While the Fed has aggressively boosted interest rates to cool price pressures, raising the risk of recession, healthy employment growth is a big tailwind for the economy.”
Think about it, guys….you are claiming the poorest people are the one’s taking advantage. Understand that they are being bribed to stay in their lane. In Florida, you have to live in a gated community….let that sink in. And the gates don’t always protect you…esp when you leave those gates.
I NEVER FELL UNSAFE IN NJ. NEVER. So many people take it for granted.
“The people who sure took advantage of all the programs are the layabouts in Newark and Camden, Patterson, etc…And the school and government bureaucracies who exist to service their miserable lives which they themselves cannot support. Those miserable people don’t ever move to Florida, why would they?”
LOL, Florida and other Red States won’t pay for their ‘entitlements’…that bait is just for NE liberal hell-hole dwelling suckers who for some reason feel compelled to hand over their hard earned dollars to support the underclass to these levels…
Number of total 1st cousins – living and dead (Dad’s side only and including myself/siblings): 27
Number of cousins raised outside FL: 15
Number of cousins raised inside FL: 12
Number of cousins with jail time who were raised outside FL (NJ/LI/OH/WA): 0
Number of cousins with jail time who were raised inside FL: 4
I could add other categories but they only apply to FL
Number of cousins with no jail time but known drug addictions who blew up family events : 2
Number of cousins with whereabouts unknown: 1
Pumps, it’s the entitlements. In FL property taxes are high if you live in a nice town not terribly different than NJ. I look and even with absolutely absurd property taxes I can see how difficult it is for municipalities to budget there isn’t a lot in the budget where there is any discretion, on a town by town basis there isn’t an extreme amount of waste or graft in most NJ towns as compared to most other states, this is a high cost area so clearly government employees are paid more here how else would they be able to pay their NJ property taxes.
Putting aside the elephant in the room which is public sector pensions and healthcare, the issue in NJ is the urban centers absorb all of the income tax, sales tax revenue and county taxes so that the municipality is responsible for funding all cost through it’s property tax levy. That is problem number one, the other issue NJ has tons of little towns with nothing but housing and most commercial development tended to happen in places without large swaths of housing as they could have extremely low property tax rates, south hackensack. The majority of school tax dollars should be collected at the county or state level and not at the municipal level, determine the minimum viable funding per student in a given county and baseline each municipality, if they want to spend more they can fund it through local property tax levy and then do a statewide levy based on property value.
Pumps the very wealthy almost always send their kids to private school even if they live in the best districts if money basically means nothing to you would you not get your child the best education possible?
People might send their kids to private school despite living in a “good” district because the private schools generally treat you as a paying customer, rather than as a sucker whose money they have and will continue to get, whether or not you like the crap service they provide. There are some good teachers and admin in public schools. But it’s because of their own pride in their work, despite the bureaucracy and despite the lack of incentives to provide good educational service.
Public school education is probably on average even worse than the food served in public schools.
You two are both exactly correct.
“LOL, Florida and other Red States won’t pay for their ‘entitlements’…that bait is just for NE liberal hell-hole dwelling suckers who for some reason feel compelled to hand over their hard earned dollars to support the underclass to these levels…”
There is an obvious reason they support these entitlements. They are directed solely towards future Democrat voters. Same with immigration.
Pumps cars get stolen out of driveways in Short Hills. My mom lives in FL in a gated community they basically have their own police force, armed security, you could leave a pile of diamonds on the sidewalk and they wouldn’t get taken. The costs are high but there is no concern and honestly in most places outside the walls crime isn’t a huge concern they have security because of how rich the people are when you live in a 5 million dollar house with expensive art on the walls, a 500k wristwatch collection and enough diamonds to choke a horse you are a prime target. The truth is the expenses in FL are very high between insurance, property tax, and community fees but the lack of income tax does make up for it.
No One you are exactly right the attitude of some PS employees are they are doing you a favor not that they have a job funded by your egregious taxes, the teachers are often great and have passion about educating children. As for the education being worse than the food I don’t think that’s possible that school food looks pretty vile.
Hahahaha what load of BS. Kids as customers.
No, it’s just rich people with their mediocre entitled off spring.
Fearful they don’t get into their ivies…grade inflation and grade changing for whiny rich assssholes is the new normal. Welcome to private school education.
Florida just banned a book on penguins. A true story about two male penguins in central park that adopted a female penguin and raised it.
All of the Jesus freaks were against.
The hypocrisy is strong in Florida. God-forbid one of your kids turns out gay, I think the law is that you have to shoot them with a registered gun.
God-forbid one of your kids turns out gay, I think the law is that you have to shoot them with a registered gun.
Naw, they’re locked in a pillory in the town square and pelted with rotten vegetables. Then they unlock them and brand them. It’s a lot more humane these days.
The neighborhood patrols are fine in Florida, as long as you are white. Trust me. It’s great in these Red states.
“There is an obvious reason they support these entitlements. They are directed solely towards future Democrat voters.”
So who are the bigger dupes? The citizens that allow themselves to be taxed for these purposes or the recipients who accept them in exchange for being kept on the plantation?
“In FL property taxes are high if you live in a nice town not terribly different than NJ…My mom lives in FL in a gated community they basically have their own police force, armed security, you could leave a pile of diamonds on the sidewalk and they wouldn’t get taken. The costs are high but there is no concern…”
That is the fundamental difference between socialist holes like NJ and other States – self determination. If you want to live in squalor with no discipline you are welcome to do so, but others will not pay for it and they will have resources to keep you away from them and their children.
In NJ? Zero self determination. The State takes your money and then TELLS you it is going to give it to those making horrible decisions, direct it away from YOUR children, and then force your community to take these people in.
Do you have any idea of the social and economic costs to you of COAH and Mt Laurel?
Bingo.
Paying for direct control of child’s grades and transcript.
“You know how much I pay to send my child here.” The noose around the neck.
VelvetUnderwear says:
February 23, 2023 at 4:35 pm
Hahahaha what load of BS. Kids as customers.
No, it’s just rich people with their mediocre entitled off spring.
Fearful they don’t get into their ivies…grade inflation and grade changing for whiny rich assssholes is the new normal. Welcome to private school education.
Jcer,
When you have to pay for private school, private community security, high insurance, high priced homes, and pretty high taxes….it’s cheaper to buy a 20k property tax property in a high end jersey town. You are saving money. That’s how expensive Florida has become. And I this would happen long ago on this blog…now it is happening before your eyes. Florida is for the rich with multiples properties that have money to piss away. Not for normal people in any desirable florida location.
Some NJ Utility Bills Dropping Next Week: See What You’ll Pay
Natural-gas prices continue to nosedive this winter. But several NJ providers haven’t passed the savings onto their customers.
https://patch.com/new-jersey/wayne/s/ilc2t/some-nj-utility-bills-dropping-next-week-see-what-youll-pay?utm_source=nearby-news&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
One of the dads from my daughter’s dance team is a partner up in NYC. One day I looked him up on the firm website and saw he graduated college AFTER me. He was younger than me, and I swear I thought he was 15 years older. I thought it was a May/December marriage.
leftwing says:
February 23, 2023 at 10:30 am
“…the problem with corporate law career is that the partners work as much as the associates; they just bill at a higher rate. The drudgery never ends.”
Mind numbing. Made a good decision back then on limited data and experience…confirmed later when I became involved with public markets and drafting sessions…these poor sons-a-bitches, so educated and sitting around a table of 25 people parsing the whether “may” or “can” is the correct term in the sixteenth risk factor on page 54 of the prospectus…that literally sounds like hell to me, regardless of the bill rate or the size of the Chappaqua house…..
The deputy Chinese envoy to the UN, Dai Bing, insisted the west was worsening the situation by arming Ukraine, saying: “Adding fuel to the fire will only exacerbate tensions”.
His remarks provoked Baerbock into a powerful rebuttal rejecting his claim that the west was indulging in military spending at the expense of other priorities more important to ordinary people.
She asked: “Why on earth would we do that?”, adding: “We did not want this war. We did not choose this war.” She said her government “would much rather focus every bit of our energy and money in fixing our schools, in fighting the climate crisis and strengthening social justice”, adding: “The truth is that if Russia stops fighting, the war will end, If Ukraine stops this fighting, Ukraine ends.”
She said the suffering, including “abduction, rape and torture”, would continue every day, and that the world’s gaping wounds, caused by hunger, inflation and energy shortages, would not end.
Every country, she argued, had a duty to send a clear signal that the war was coming to an end. Addressing the 30 to 40 countries likely to abstain from the resolution, including China, India and South Africa, she noted: “Today each of us has to make a decision to stand in isolation with the oppressor or stand together for peace.”
She said there was a peace plan for Ukraine, and it was called the UN charter with its principles of sovereign equality, territorial integrity and the non-use of force.
Does this bill interfere with the free market or reform previous interferences or both?
SmallGovConservative says:
February 23, 2023 at 1:49 pm
1987 Condo says:
February 23, 2023 at 11:47 am
“Insurance in Florida, my BIL was told to expect HO insurance of $20,000…”
FL definitely has a property insurance problem…Unlike the useless, tax-and-spend, pro-criminal, blue-state Dems, FL politicians have already taken initial steps to address it…
https://www.wshblaw.com/news-florida-enacts-sweeping-property-insurance-reform
The Great Pumpkin says:
February 23, 2023 at 2:30 pm
“What do you think is going to happen to these red states? You think Florida or Texas are going to be immune to this as they grow their economies?”
The problems with the blue states have nothing to do with ‘growth’ and everything to do with terrible one-party (Dem) governance. As an example, in the past year or so sanctuary-city NYC has squandered almost $2 billion of tax payer funds, housing illegal aliens in 4-star hotels and supplying them with delivered meals, phones and clothes. While Joe’s disastrous immigration policy is harming FL as well, I guarantee DeSantis is not mindlessly fleecing taxpayers in some moronic quest for ‘equity’ and ‘justice’. As long as policy differences like this exist, the blue states will continue to wither and the red states will grow.
Joyce says:
February 23, 2023 at 7:50 pm
“Does this bill interfere with the free market or reform previous interferences…”
It’s largely intended to end abusive practices by contractors and lawyers — that caused many insurance companies to pack up shop and leave the state.
Bystander all my first cousins in Florida have mug shots. 0 in New Jersey.
Battlefield rumors are that Ukraine may attack Transnistria, the Russian controlled eastern border of Moldova. This would be a significant escalation in the war and may impact the financial markets.
Mike,
If I get into the kids of my cousins, the story gets even worse. Out of work 30s losers, druggies, one got 15 years for nearly beating GF to death. Some turned out very well though. It is like 50/50 odds. I don’t like though chances and all comes down to sun and drugs.
In general, FL is a nice place to visit, not raise a family. People like Smallbrain, don’t understand that the competition for education, professional status and wealth do a fairly good job of keeping kids in line within white communities in Northeast. The 6 months of chilly weather keep people insulated and away from bad influences. Hitting the slopes is way better than hitting the waves. Even if kid ends up a dope, you have nice cushy connect govt jobs to provide solid income. FL has no boundaries here. Go on boat and do meth with some inland trash hottie..sure. There goes your kids future. The opportunities are end-less for this stuff. I personally know 6 families who moved to FL during pandemic. 4 are red hat cult members tricked into believing freed-dumb exists in the Sunshine state. 1 was the rare 60s Jewish family who supported Trump’s Israel stance and did not care about anything else. They did fine raising kids in CT. They are nice folks but I fear for the 4 families with kids under 8.
Left,
Is inflation indeed “over” as a market driver? Seems not from report. Today will be a bloodbath