From NorthJersey.com:
Real estate update: Is North Jersey finally seeing more housing inventory?
In February, 19 of New Jersey’s 21 counties saw an increase in new listings over January. Additionally, 12 New Jersey counties saw more new listings this year than they did in February 2023.
In North Jersey, Morris and Passaic counties saw the highest increases in new inventory, at 378 and 246 new listings, respectively. These are increases of 48.82% and 36.67% from January, and 4.42% and 4.24% increases from February 2023.
Sussex County had 184 new listings in February — 19.48% more than January and 5.75% more than February 2023. Bergen and Hudson counties had 608 and 374 new listings, respectively, in February. While this is 13.43% and 6.25% more than in January, it is 7.03% and 11.37% less than in February 2023.
Essex County was the only North Jersey county to see a decrease in new listings compared with January. With 362 new listings, Essex County had slip of a 3.72% and an 8.59% decline from February 2023.
All 21 counties saw home listings stay on the market for a shorter period than that in January.
In Sussex County, listings typically stayed on the market for 45 days before being sold — the most time in North Jersey. In contrast, listings typically stayed on the market for 27 days in Morris County — the least time in North Jersey.
Homes typically stayed on the market for 31 days in Essex County, 33 days in Bergen County, 34 days in Passaic County and 41 days in Hudson County.
While median home listing prices have decreased slightly in some counties from January, every New Jersey county saw an increase in median listing prices compared with February 2023.
Passaic and Sussex counties had the highest increases in North Jersey, at 11.47% and 11.19%, with median listing prices of $478,750 and $402,500, respectively. In Bergen County, prices increased by 10.57%, with a median listing price of $779,495. This is the third-highest median listing price in the New Jersey, behind Cape May and Monmouth counties.
In Hudson and Morris counties, there was an increase of 8.5% and 7.57%, with median listing prices of $649,925 and $675,000, respectively.
Frist!
Climate change is real
Hold on to your wallets. Gas tax going up, new EV tax, nj transit hikes, big property tax increases, reintroducing corporate tax hikes, tax it all.
Pretty sure NJ’s average property tax bill will break the $10k mark in 2024.
New Jersey and California are competing to see who can break the financial backs of their residents. One day, both states will break away from their tectonic moors, drift around Cape Horn and meet to form a s0cialist utopia.
Gotta pay the pensions of those who retired back into the 70’s. Who have been paid longer for not working than they make while on the clock. Pay for when they f- up and shoot unarmed people, or beat some old lady up because her dementia caused her to forget to scan a pack of gum.
These hikes will take people who are on the borderline financially barely making payments and turn them into criminals who cannot pay. Then they can be beaten by the cops, called deadbeats, and losers even by some who post on this forum.
grim says:
March 6, 2024 at 6:29 am
Hold on to your wallets. Gas tax going up, new EV tax, nj transit hikes, big property tax increases, reintroducing corporate tax hikes, tax it all.
Pretty sure NJ’s average property tax bill will break the $10k mark in 2024.
Fast Eddie says:
March 6, 2024 at 6:42 am
New Jersey and California are competing to see who can break the financial backs of their residents. One day, both states will break away from their tectonic moors, drift around Cape Horn and meet to form a s0cialist utopia.
You are always wrong. Capitalism is expensive and Cali and NJ are the most productive states in the nation. Cali by itself is one of the largest economies in the world.
GOP controlled Oklahoma and Mississippi are the most unproductive and cheapest places to live.
Fast Eddie says:
March 6, 2024 at 6:42 am
New Jersey and California are competing to see who can break the financial backs of their residents. One day, both states will break away from their tectonic moors, drift around Cape Horn and meet to form a s0cialist utopia.
GeezeElection is on.
Nikki Haley, a youngster at 52, has run out of breath in her campaign. Her rescue inhaler couldn’t save her.
Her campaign was pronounced dead on 3/5/24 after a long battle with Donald Trump. She was surrounded by family and friends. Her campaign is survived by her husband Major, her daughter Rena, and her son Nalin.
Contributions in her campaign’s name can be given to any anti-abortion cause or gun manufacture of your choice.
Service will commence at 10am Eastern Standard Time.
Guess he just wanted to help the Ukranians.
$400K In Stolen Starlink Terminals Found In NJ Garage: ‘Largest SpaceX Fraud Recovery To Date’
A 35-year-old Newark man was arrested after authorities said he bought hundreds of SpaceX Starlink terminals using stolen credit cards.
Technology is way faster than the senior citizens attempting to legislate it.
Experts warned that the law is woefully behind on the issue of AI-generated images and that increasing numbers of women and girls might find themselves being targeted.
‘We are too little, too late at this point,’ said George Washington University Law School Mary Anne Franks.
‘It’s not just going to be the 14-year-old girl or Taylor Swift. It’s going to be politicians. It’s going to be world leaders. It’s going to be elections.’
I appreciate Phoenix consolidating all my doom scrolling in one location.
Makes Clot look like Pollyanna.
Hillary Clinton says it’s time to ‘accept the reality’ that Biden, 81, is ‘old’.
Question is, has she accepted the reality that she is old? And an a-hole?
Hehe.
1987, your welcome.
NJ Transit fares going up 15 percent in July, and no more than 3 percent a year going forwards. Does that mean they will increase the fares 3 percent every year going forward, or that if they do increase them every year it will only be by 3 percent. Just asking.
15% in a lump sum, then an additional 3 percent every year indefinitely.
3B, I think it is a set 3% a year, much like the tolls now on the parkway/turnpike.
‘To the moon, Alice. ‘
Hehe.
New law by CFPB will slash cc late fees from $32 to $8. That will be legal challenges of course.
1987/ Phoenix: I have been taking NJ Transit for years , and the fares have not gone up every year. The increases were every few years. I think Phoenix might be right, 3 percent every year going forward would not surprise me.
Maybe NJ Transit can refurbish Hoboken Terminal, yet again, and get it right this time. Of course, if they do, it will take years to complete.
S&P 500 FUTURES UP 0.54%,
NASDAQ FUTURES UP 0.84%,
DOW FUTURES UP 0.37
3b says:
March 6, 2024 at 8:21 am
New law by CFPB will slash cc late fees from $32 to $8. That will be legal challenges of course.
You load 16 tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
St. Peter, don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store…
3B 3% every year going forward; new policy
Chgo: I figured that was the case. That is a big increase and ongoing. What a great way to get people back to the office in NYC/ JC.
You guys are very worried about cc debt and President Biden answered.
3b says:
March 6, 2024 at 8:21 am
New law by CFPB will slash cc late fees from $32 to $8. That will be legal challenges of course.
Let’s use Occam’s Razor for this one.
You borrow money, you pay interest. So P+I
You refuse to charge the riders the amount required to make the payments, the debt remains on the books.
You pay your executive more, so you have less money to pay the debt.
Efficiency is an anathema to you, so you have less money to pay the debt, and your riders think your service sucks, so they aren’t gonna pony up any more.
Your “overpaid” execs, in their infinite wisdom, park your tangible assets on the lowest area right before a major hurricane comes ( stupidity or planned genius perhaps?)
You have no reserve. Covid hits. No riders, no money. No plan in place by those paid huge amounts for one thing. (to f’n plan).
WFH- naah, that was never on the horizon for the execs there. Although most of them were probably “working” from their laptops while at the beach in Boca Raton.
According to NJ Transit’s announcement of the proposal, the fare increase is an effort to close the $106.6 million budget deficit.
Very Stable Genius says:
March 6, 2024 at 9:03 am
“You guys are very worried about cc debt and President Biden answered.”
Vote-buying and pandering to his low-IQ constituency pretty much sums up the Biden presidency. If lowering the late fee max to $8 is good, why not lower to $4 or $2, wouldn’t that be great? Just wait until all the late-paying Dems lose their credit cards — Joe will need to declare credit card ownership a ‘right’. Same with minimum wage, why stop at $15 or $20 or whatever it is now, why not go to $50? Figures that a dope like Unstable would fall for this latest Dem ‘solution’!
. If lowering the late fee max to $8 is good, why not lower to $4 or $2, wouldn’t that be great?
Sure it would. Cause then you have people in even more debt, and that makes them easier to control. It’s a never ending spiral.
I will probably end up this way. Not because I haven’t work, but because I chose to stick my D into the wrong hole. 5 minutes of fun in the sack can give you 20 years of hell.
And speaking of that wonderful “drop to 8 dollar” gift to the poor, what about the tax breaks to the seniors? Or pensions for cops, teachers, and firemen? Or the 500 dollar rebate for a wealthy homeowner to purchase a new A/C for their home.
SGC without a doubt YOU have benefited from some sort of government handout.
The only difference is when the cash goes into your hand it’s good, but when the cash goes into a broke person’s hand it’s a crime.
Machiavelli was right. Sad to say.
“Not because I haven’t work, but because I chose to stick my D into the wrong hole.”
My wife would probably file for divorce if I stuck it into the wrong hole too. Just sayin’
You guys are very worried about cc debt and President Biden answered.
Yeah, because reducing a late fee is going to help pay the 27% interest on $62,000 of credit card debt.
The reason NJTransit didn’t raise fares in the last 4 years (total of 9) was due to the fact that ridershop was so low, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. The problem with raising fares to on public transit is that the higher they go, the more likely people will get back into their cars and then the increases become detrimental to raising additional revenue.
My family move to Nevada really can’t come soon enough. The taxes and tolls here are completely out of control and I honestly feel like they are reaching that detrimental to revenue growth level. Eventually the diaspora of NJ wealth, who are sick of paying exorbitant amounts to enrich their government servants plus the high cost of housing and feeding the have nots is going to destroy NJ. It’s getting cost-prohibitive to stay here. With WFH looking more permanent than ever, our proximity to NYC is not nearly as valuable as it used to be. You know that 15% increase on the GSP tolls? It now costs me $3.25 to drive 7 miles to get to route 80. It’s reaching the point where I now take Grove Street to 19 north to 80. It will add about ten minutes and a lot of traffic to a residential road, but it’s worth it.
Lib: Except the people getting back into their cars if they drive to NYC, May have to pay congestion pricing.
Lib: I visit my Aunt twice a month in Riverdale, I have to pay the GWB toll of $13.00 ,!plus the Henry Hudson Pkwy of 3.18 ( ez pass) both ways. It’s 15 miles from my house to Riverdale, each way. Total tolls just under $20. It’s a joke.
I have never paid a toll in Nevada.
Because they don’t have any. Never hit traffic either.
What’s with the brains of our elected politicians that they lock up like the wheels on a semi?
Bumbling Joe Biden freezes for 15 seconds and AGAIN tells press he will ‘get in trouble’ for taking questions even though White House continues to say he is mentally fit for another term
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 10:02 am
“My family move to Nevada really can’t come soon enough. The taxes and tolls here are completely out of control…”
You realize that you and the other Dem shills are responsible for NJ being ‘out of control’, right? And you can certainly understand why the locals in NV — and the redder states even more so — are scared to death that you’ll eventually cause the same problems there, right?
Phoenix.
Anything goes these days. Garbagemen get more respect than our politicians. And deservedly so.
With all of the rain and snow in California the Mighty Colorado river actually provided one Mexican with a glass of water for the first time in 50 years.
It is dry again.
Gracias por el vaso de agua Americana.
“ 5 minutes of fun”
5 minutes? that must include the time to brush your teeth
SGC,
There is a small part inside of me that hopes Trump wins in November. Not because I think he’ll do well, but so you can see what a disaster he will be. Though, fear not. The pundits on Foxnews will find a way to spin even his flatulence into an achievement and the collapsing economy into a Utopia. Of course I do see at least one positive from his election. If a frozen egg is a child, then my sperm must be too. I look forward to the state-mandated and required child-creation sessions so I can stay out of jail. Maybe these sessions can take place after the state-mandated Christian mass attendance on Sundays and Catholic holidays? Kill two birds with one stone? Oh what a party you cheerlead for.
Have I awakened the sleeping JJ from years ago?
Or are you an imposter?
JJ says:
March 6, 2024 at 10:58 am
“ 5 minutes of fun”
5 minutes? that must include the time to brush your teeth.
No, actually it included the time to come across yours. Hehe.
Phoenix
Here’s a video that will improve your mood
https://youtu.be/Nd-sFTlGuow?si=IpC9yAD9t5xraWym
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 11:03 am
“If a frozen egg is a child, then my sperm must be too. ”
Not frozen egg, frozen embryo.
As far as Trump, this is going to be the most F’d up election ever in America.
Smoke ’em if y9u got ’em.
BREAKING NEWS!
Nikki Haley said she was exiting the presidential race.
Wednesday, March 6, 2024 10:17 AM ET
In her remarks, Ms. Haley pointedly declined to endorse Mr. Trump.
WFH is not permanent and it never will be. Understand this. Do you know how unhealthy it is if it became permanent? Not only from a physical aspect, but from a mental health issue. You can’t have people working from home in their 20’s till they are 60….it will destroy them. You guys just don’t get it. It’s not f/ing healthy.
And as for taxes….they are total bs. I get it. Just understand that this state and cali are still minting millionaires at a pace other places in this world can’t touch. If these taxes weren’t here, you would just have wealth consolidating and compounding at a higher rate. Chit, if taxes weren’t high in this state, do you know how much I would be worth right now? Let that compound as it would be in investments, and chit, I might have to retire already….is that really good for society….people retiring this early when we need labor? I know it’s good for me, but in the big picture, it might not be. Just another angle….
and no I am not advocating for high taxation….just pointing out why this state has high taxes. It’s a producer…comes with the territory.
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 10:02 am
The reason NJTransit didn’t raise fares in the last 4 years (total of 9) was due to the fact that ridershop was so low, it wouldn’t have made much of a difference. The problem with raising fares to on public transit is that the higher they go, the more likely people will get back into their cars and then the increases become detrimental to raising additional revenue.
My family move to Nevada really can’t come soon enough. The taxes and tolls here are completely out of control and I honestly feel like they are reaching that detrimental to revenue growth level. Eventually the diaspora of NJ wealth, who are sick of paying exorbitant amounts to enrich their government servants plus the high cost of housing and feeding the have nots is going to destroy NJ. It’s getting cost-prohibitive to stay here. With WFH looking more permanent than ever, our proximity to NYC is not nearly as valuable as it used to be. You know that 15% increase on the GSP tolls? It now costs me $3.25 to drive 7 miles to get to route 80. It’s reaching the point where I now take Grove Street to 19 north to 80. It will add about ten minutes and a lot of traffic to a residential road, but it’s worth it.
casino
JJ washed away with Hurrican Sandy.
Nevada? What does it have? Of course there is no traffic. The place is a desert. And why would it have high taxes….what does it have to pay for? It’s not like it’s a part of mainstream society where a lot of people raise their families….
“I’ve lost more money today than any of you guy sare paying for your kids to go to aan overvalued university for a year.”
Uhm, not really a brag?
Don’t think you’re in Qs, but if you want to do something to manage your risk at top of market using them as an example – they are at 440 now – for every round lot (100 shares) you can write a 3/28 452 call and buy a 3/28 427 put.
It would cost you nothing, the brokerage would actually pay you enough to put on the trade to cover commissions. You protect yourself for anything more than a 3% drawdown by surrendering any gains greater than 3% over the next 22 days…
Just trying to help you from coming on here after a market meltdown and noting you’ve lost more than most people’s house equity…lol.
The Great Pumpkin says:
March 6, 2024 at 11:17 am
“Let that compound as it would be in investments, and chit, I might have to retire already….is that really good for society….people retiring this early when we need labor? I know it’s good for me.”
It’s good for you, but then you become a parasite. NJ is the dog, you are the tick on it’s neck draining it’s blood. Poor dog has had ticks hanging on it since 1970, all taking their nourishment from the taxpayers. This dog’s hemoglobin is reaching critical levels.
SGC,
Libturd isn’t a Dem shill usually. He’s a guy who actually spoke up about his town’s overspending, if I recall. And he’s capable of criticizing leaders of both parties.
One of the most disturbing trends of the past 8 years has been Trump supporter’s willingness to defend Trump’s Big Government inclinations. He is constantly willing to attack other Republicans for votes. He told Iowa farmers he would protect their corrupt ethanol mandates from critics. He told old folks he’d protect their costly social security and medicare from government budget cutters. He told religious fundamentalists that he’d put in people to use government to block abortions and regulate in accordance with their religious beliefs. Trump and his army are more isolationist nationalist socialists than they are small government classical liberals.
Sorry you lost over $80k yesterday, Lib. Hope you’re making back some today.
On the topic of taxing up the arse and NJ: My kids are in a decent elementary, the 70 of 1700 ranked, school in the state. When I think of going west I have to factor in the cost of private tuition. Lib, you are past that age range and find yourself with more options. The rest of us may just be stuck here.
I don’t use hedges when I gamble. Nor when I invest. My only hedge is diversification. As to the humble brag. It was not meant to be. I said it to point out how much faith I still have in this current rally and the type of impact compounding has had on my wealth. I’ve been waiting thirty years to see these kind of moves. To think I used to burn in the pit of my stomach when I suffered daily four-digit loss. Now a six-digit one-day loss is easily in the realm of possibility, but I sleep like a baby at night regardless.
Though, I do appreciate your advice. I don’t think we are at top of market. I don’t even think we are that close to it.
Save early, invest regularly and often.
Btw, I’m poor compared with many of you here. Heck, Grim spent more money removing trees from his property than I spent ON my property.
Old folks are fine with getting rid of Social Security under the following conditions:
Raising the eligibility age to something 20 years higher than when they cashed their first check (saves money for the current old goat and his pasture for a long time to come with no harm to him)
Cutting the payout, but not for current SS grifters. (the “hey I got mine” attitude).
Ending the cost of living increases (for anyone not currently enrolled “the fucc them” attitude.).
That about sums it up.
“New law by CFPB will slash cc late fees from $32 to $8. That will be legal challenges of course.”
Bigger issue is that the money not collected will be made up somewhere…given the impoverished are a ‘protected class’ from their (in)actions, and the banks are certainly not going to hit their prime customers with additional expenses and risk driving them away, guess who will be paying more to make up the carry for those who can’t pay their bills on time?
Yuppers…YOU.
Enjoy your liberal ‘gifts’.
They just keep ‘giving’ now, don’t they, lol.
Also, helped coach softball clinic yesterday…. first day out and I sprained my big toe (turf toe). Same foot, every season. Meloxicam and stiff boot for now but low key depressed. I like being out there with the kids but same ish every year, the squatting is a killer. FML.
cause problems = supporting integration
“the redder states even more so — are scared to death that you’ll eventually cause the same problems there, right?”
Your biggest gamble was the person you married. You got lucky. LW and I didn’t
We both paid, and pay, dearly for for that “hedge.”
I know a doc, what he pays to his ex, the number is astronomical. Probably enough to put a few Starlink satellites in orbit.
I would have been fine had my marriage stayed intact, with just my own money. Not her f’n parents money, none of which I wanted. But she did, constantly controlled by the cancerous placenta that she was still attached to and still is.
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 11:34 am
I don’t use hedges when I gamble. Nor when I invest. My only hedge is diversification. As to the humble brag. It was not meant to be. I said it to point out how much faith I still have in this current rally and the type of impact compounding has had on my wealth. I’ve been waiting thirty years to see these kind of moves. To think I used to burn in the pit of my stomach when I suffered daily four-digit loss. Now a six-digit one-day loss is easily in the realm of possibility, but I sleep like a baby at night regardless.
Though, I do appreciate your advice. I don’t think we are at top of market. I don’t even think we are that close to it.
Save early, invest regularly and often.
Btw, I’m poor compared with many of you here. Heck, Grim spent more money removing trees from his property than I spent ON my property.
Boomer,
Cheer up:
https://youtu.be/WhanPGlfs5w
HMB
Nice vid. She is talented. Yujin from IVE is also a winner.
“It now costs me $3.25 to drive 7 miles to get to route 80. It’s reaching the point where I now take Grove Street to 19 north to 80. It will add about ten minutes and a lot of traffic to a residential road, but it’s worth it.”
Uhhhmmm….
$3.25 times six equals $19.50 an hour.
Maybe take the Parkway and put an hour in at a Starbucks for 20 plus tips… :)
Boomer,
NJ’s excellent public school system is the only reason I am still here now. Though we do pay for it. For some perspective on this phenomena, a number of times I told Gator Junior that he doesn’t realize how good his Glen Ridge (and really most of NJ) education was. I told him he would notice in college. Quite factually, he was in the lowest quartile of students ever accepted to UF from Glen Ridge, but really wrote a top 5% essay. Also, he followed my advice, which I garnered from ChiFi’s college advisor presentation, which was to make sure your high school resume separates you from all of the others and in a cohesive, major-driven way. For example, forget the Key Club, or the Math Club, if you plan to study Art. You would be much better off volunteering at a Pinot’s pallete, etc. But now that he has nearly a year under his belt and is looking at a 3.9 GPA and is applying to their honors college, he realizes how strong his NJ education was, when compared with the cream of the crop from Florida.
“Libturd says: March 6, 2024 at 11:03 am. SGC…”
Wow, the easy winner for the deflection of the year award….SGC calls out shit liberal policies, many of which you have supported, that have destroyed the State that gave you some level of wealth and mobility and offers that those liberal idiocies not be brought to your newly discovered Red utopia and you go on a DJT rant….Nice….
There’s a reason for the frase “poorly educated”
“ NJ education was, when compared with the cream of the crop from Florida.”
There’s a reason for the frase “poorly educated”
Says the person who is poorly educated.
I would posit that the Republican solution to the expensive part of governing a state containing a large amount of poor urban areas would be to simply bus them all to blue states. But if they already were an overpopulated urban red state, they would have no choice but to behave the same way. I hope this makes sense.
As to the Trump rant? It is well deserved. In his four years, he’s managed to turn the Supreme Court into a partisan banana republic court. His corporate tax cuts helped no one but the wealthy and significantly increased the deficit. And of course there’s the inflation his brow beating of Powell to lower the rates caused. And yet still, with the border crossing open, for three straight years, there are still help wanted signs everywhere and most companies still can’t find enough workers needed to fill their open positions. And the economy. I haven’t seen it like this since the late 90s. But, Biden’s laptop.
Ahh, here come the Rs to defend the poor suffering companies like Chase, charging 30% rates. As usual, all complaints and zero ideas for lower classes. Oh wait, they got it…tax cuts for wealthy businesses. MURICAN FREE-DUMMBBBB!!
“…is applying to their honors college, he realizes how strong his NJ education was, when compared with the cream of the crop from Florida.”
Given the stellar NJ education system it must therefore be known that a statement of this sort can’t be supported without first analyzing the composition of the honors college…right?
That a suburban NJ education is ‘special’ relative to a comparable flyover suburb is a fallacy, especially as it relates to which of two equally competitive candidates from each geography gets accepted into a particular elite school…
“I would posit that the Republican solution to the expensive part of governing a state containing a large amount of poor urban areas would be to simply bus them all to blue states.”
No, I would posit the R stance is more like let them fend for themselves and stop having productive people support their unproductive, destructive (in)activities.
I know it’s hard for liberals to understand but if you tax something you get less of it; if you subsidize something you get more of it.
Stop subsidizing the society destroying activities of the underclass.
“As to the Trump rant?…WAH, WAH, WAH, WAH, WAH….But, Biden’s laptop.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2hULhXf04&ab_channel=CorgiAdventures
I am 62 and my 401k and home values have doubled in 4 years years, wow I am a great investor and no other reason. What? Things are so expensive now and these losers are falling behind bc rent has doubled? CC rates are insane, why are people using them? It must be the liberal policies. What expert analysis..
“What expert analysis..”
Don’t believe I’ve offered an analysis on the topic you reference which would seem to imply something more obvious about your level of reading comprehension….
The damn truth. Thank you for sharing. It makes me sick when I hear people claim that NJ education system is no different than other states….if you really believe this ( i sure as hell do not), then why are you here? This place is for raising families (it’s stupid safe and has access to free top notch schools) and growing wealth. If you want neither, why are you here?
And yes there is a price for that the safety and top notch schools(high taxes for this system)….but it’s a f;’ing investment, and a great one at that, in your families quality of life and future. You will pay more for the same in those other so called “cheap states,” as you will have to pay up to raise your family under the same conditions in other states. It’s actually a bargain when you think about it, hence, why so many educated individuals choose to raise their families here.
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 11:45 am
Boomer,
NJ’s excellent public school system is the only reason I am still here now. Though we do pay for it. For some perspective on this phenomena, a number of times I told Gator Junior that he doesn’t realize how good his Glen Ridge (and really most of NJ) education was. I told him he would notice in college. Quite factually, he was in the lowest quartile of students ever accepted to UF from Glen Ridge, but really wrote a top 5% essay. Also, he followed my advice, which I garnered from ChiFi’s college advisor presentation, which was to make sure your high school resume separates you from all of the others and in a cohesive, major-driven way. For example, forget the Key Club, or the Math Club, if you plan to study Art. You would be much better off volunteering at a Pinot’s pallete, etc. But now that he has nearly a year under his belt and is looking at a 3.9 GPA and is applying to their honors college, he realizes how strong his NJ education was, when compared with the cream of the crop from Florida.
Who said it was directed at you particularly,,but here is some history comprehension, Biden won Nevada in 2020. Do you just make up what a red state is on the fly?
What is the Republican opinion on the separation of Church and State? Because it sure seems to me that we are headed in the direction of the Taliban. Strangely enough, all lead by a leader who grabs them by the pussy, had more wives than the average Mormon and practices more infidelity than the average swinger. But Biden shits his pants!
“NJ’s excellent public school system is the only reason I am still here now…The damn truth…It makes me sick when I hear people claim that NJ education system is no different than other states.”
Oh Pumps, my dear Pumps…
As is often the case come back here when you have the actual real world experience.
How old is your daughter?
Talk to me when she graduates your blue ribbon school with honors and rock solid extracurriculars and is told by your guidance department that despite those attributes a top 20 university is a ‘stretch’ because they ‘take too many NJ kids already’ and she ends up, thanking her lucky stars, that she is accepted at a middle of the road State school – say OSU – where she will be sitting in the exact same class getting the exact same degree as Skylar who grew up in the charming suburb of Powell where she attained a 3.8 GPA and is paying $10k annually while you cough up four by $50k of your NJ wealth by way of your 529 for the exact same outcome.
Go BUCKEYES!
BTW, who the fuck names their school mascot after a God damn tree nut?
See you back here in, what, half a dozen years?
LOL.
And the worst mascot ever too. Of course, you could be a boilermaker! Or worse yet, a Tar Heel.
You just don’t get it. It’s about the community of kids, families she is growing up around, and the classroom environment. How can you deny this? What your post showed me….that NJ knocks it out of the park. There is a huge supply of good students from nj based on your post…now why is that? Yet, you are going to sit here and obnoxiously take a dump on it. Okay, to each and their own.
leftwing says:
March 6, 2024 at 12:50 pm
Lib,
Did you catch Michael Flynn the other day? Separation of church and state, my arse..
Former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn’s call for “one religion” in the US to win the battle of good versus evil has garnered sharp backlash from a range of critics.
Flynn, who was subpoenaed last week by the House select committee investigating the January 6 attack, made the comment during a speech to a conservative Christian audience on the ReAwaken America tour in Texas this weekend. “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion,” he said. “One nation under God and one religion under God, right? All of us, working together.”
Phoenix
Yes. Yujin is a baddie. Watched an I’ve concert in Singapore today on YouTube.
Left,
And who will excel at life? The nj student or the kid from flyover country? You tell me. Who will have the connections. Who was challenged more in k-12? Who had more competition in k-12? Save me the bs…. Lib’s kid is evidence enough of what NJ can do for you.
Are we really back to this NJ education is far superior to almost all other states, and the cost is justified? Got to get out in the world more, and see hear the reality. Meanwhile, a friend of mine great guy , known him for years, was a political for years until Trump, and has no turned into a huge leftist/ progressive, and if you disagree you are kind of suspect, ( might be a secret Trump supporter). Of course he lives in a lily white town with a dash of Asian, and supports low income/ moderate housing , and all the rest. Of course, that’s easy as he knows it will never be built in his town.
Anyhow his Son will be graduating in May, went to a big red state state school ( the Father is a big fan of the football team). I was shocked when I heard where the kid was going, but whatever. The kid is getting the basic finance degree, and paid out of state tuition, when it would have been cheaper to go in state, as was noted by the Father, but the thrill of a big football school and the diversity ( Like NJ is not diverse ???), it was worth it. Oh, and the kid will be paying for it with loans. So, there you go.
UF should become a better school to attend now that their DEI offices and administrators have been shut down.
Though US News might downgrade their ranking for it, as they’ve been increasing their weights to diversity and decreasing their weights to excellence over the years.
I’m sure UF still employs plenty of commie professors even after shutting down the DEI department.
Of course NPR is saddened by this development which hits their listener base hardest.
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1235725631/university-florida-cuts-dei-office
Boomer
Our district in DFW is better than the blue ribbon district they were going to in Jersey. All kids after 5th or 6th grade get an iPad or Chromebook. All elementary schools have a computer room and the kids are taught how to use ms office. School day is also longer. Full day kindergarten too.
As long as you move to a middle to upper middle class town with schools less than 10-15 years old I bet it will be better than most Jersey blue ribbon districts.
I remember the nj principal was so proud the kids would have a Spanish class every 6 days.
Hold: I have worked with and engaged with people from all over the country, probably every state with the exception of Hawaii, not to mention from Europe and Asia as well. Also from Ivy League schools to local state schools, and I can say these people were incredibly smart and talented, as well as conversant on multiple subjects. To say that NJ schools have sort of monopolies or lick on smart and intelligent kids who are provided with a superior education vs almost anywhere else in the country, is obnoxious and delusional in my opinion. My kids went to Blue Ribbon schools, all did well, no complaints, but the curriculum, was nothing special. They were not taught any more than I was , and I went to crowded no frills NYC Catholic schools. My kids did well, because we expected and demanded that they do well. Now, in all fairness, the decline or mediocrity of education may just be reflective of the times , but this silliness that the schools in New Jersey are superior and thus are worth the high property taxes, is something people tell themselves to rationalize the high taxes.
Top 10 in the nation
New Jersey
1
New Hampshire
2
Connecticut
3
Vermont
4
Massachusetts
5
New York
6
Maine
7
Colorado
8
Pennsylvania
9
Virginia
10
All BLUE states
NYC Mayor Adams is bringing back bag checks on the NYC subways, in attempt to stop the surge in crime on the subways. I wonder if stop and frisk is next? My younger Brother who lives on the upper west side , and has for years( a big NYC) fan ) told me again earlier this week that the quality of life in the city continues to decline.
It’s time to bailout NYCB
Privatize gains, socialize losses
VSG
I bet the companies and people who did those rankings all live in those states.
Libturd says:
March 6, 2024 at 11:45 am
“NJ’s excellent public school system…”
Any claim to NJ educational superiority went by the wayside in 2020 when red states like FL had kids back in school by May, and the blue states allowed the teacher unions to slow-walk a return to classrooms. Smart kids in NJ from engaged families will always get a good education, but on the whole, the Dems complete surrender to the unions during COVID marked an irreversible decline in blue state public education.
“You just don’t get it. It’s about the community of kids, families she is growing up around, and the classroom environment. How can you deny this?”
Don’t deny it…what I am saying is those characteristics and situations exist in nearly EVERY high end suburb regardless of location. NJ is not special in that regard.
“What your post showed me….There is a huge supply of good students from nj based on your post…”
Agreed, professor, which provides the answer to my observation of why your daughter will NOT be accepted at Duke or Johns Hopkins and the identical student, Sierra, from Powell, OH will be enrolled….and why your emotions will go from shock to acceptance as you start purchasing grey and scarlet athletic gear and thanking God she made the cut even at OSU…
NJ has a larger high end suburban population and therefore produces more of the commodity in question (high end students) than other States…to make matters worse NJ exports much more of that product to other States…ie, unlike other states (CA) who keep some of their best students in State our high end students tend to NOT stay in State….
So as with any other commodity oversupply cheapens the product…
Argue me if you like, but I am typing this not for my benefit but yours…my kids are out of college. When you start the college guidance process, and I imagine like our blue ribbon school it will start in sophomore year, make sure you get a good counselor. Ours was fantastic and very transparent…flat out would tell us how many kids from my children’s classes were applying to certain universities, where my kids ranked, how many slots those universities typically offer to our school, and the likelihood of my kids’ acceptance based on his peers who applied there (anonymously of course).
Our counselor flat out told my kid to adjust his expectations down a whole bracket…’stretch’ was off the table; ‘core’ were now stretch; some ‘safety’ were now core….
The reason – and I love this guy – said flat to our faces? You are a white, suburban kid from NJ. There are simply too many of you. Based on GPA/extracurriculars schools could fill half their classes with you, and they won’t.
Supply and demand, professor. And by being a white, suburban student from NJ you are on the wrong side of that curve.
Got a problem, call a cop. Now you have two problems. She flashed those things at the officers, dude had no chance at all.
Guy is a nobody. Didn’t he know if she hit him in the face with a frying pan he was going to lose?
Of course he was going to be uncooperative, cause they immediately take the side of the one with the nice T&A, and that my friends, wasn’t him.
Lauren accepted the latter option to move forward with the order and told the judge, ‘As a mother this is a difficult decision, my sons miss their father…and I wish [Jayson] was here today.
‘But I’m afraid he might take his anger for me out on them,’
DailyMail has been told that it was Jayson who called 911 when his arrival at a restaurant at which his wife and sons were dining led to the January dispute that escalated into violence.
According to Jayson’s account it was Lauren who became physical with him. But when he was allegedly uncooperative with responding officers, it was Jayson who found himself facing charges.
Lib: 11:59, is that comment really fear to red states and in particular Texas who has been dealing with the migrant situation for years, and none of the blue states offered anything in the way of assistance. Then the Texas Governor decides to bus migrants to NYC and other areas that proudly declared themselves sanctuary cities , and NYC and others are claiming they are overwhelmed, and can’t deal with the problem.
Leaving the whole toxic politics and Trump/ Biden crap out of the conversation, is that really fair to Texas , or the other border states that have to deal with this migrant situation?
SGC,
Do you wear 3-D glasses all of the time and keep your right eye closed?
James Madison Univ used to put all the NJ freshman kids in the same dorm, it was close to a dog food factory. They did have an arrangement with the factory not to make the dog food on Parents/ Family Day.
3B,
It’s not fair to Texas and it’s a Federal issue. Biden put a pretty good offer on the table (finally) too. Of course, we know how politics are played.
A good compromise would be to vet and process all immigrants. I think the majority of the country supports this position. Maybe even have some limited quotas as a deterrent.
But there is no longer compromise in our country. Which is why everything now must swing to the extreme. There should be a ban on late term abortions for most cases. Instead, it’s all or nothing. Guns, all or nothing. Religious beliefs, all or nothing. Enough already. I really feel one of the things that made our country so successful was our willingness to compromise resulting in laws that are a blend which satisfy the most of our people. The equity woke stuff is swinging back, which is a good thing. We all know it went too far. Hopefully, it’s the start of some compromise. I doubt it. Off to take the D to therapy. Toodles.
Education in NJ has fallen down several pegs. The students as a whole are much less capable and responsible than they were. Covid made these much worse, just as I predicted in April 2020. The only thing I’ve noticed is that the top 10% was unaffected and is performing as expected. But that just means the gap has widened. The message I can’t stress enough to you as a parent is that you need to make sure your kid is in all those top classes because the rest of the kids will drag their performance down if they are in the lower levels.
You wouldn’t be aware of this by looking at grades though. A’s for everyone! Standardized tests? They keep changing them every 3 years. Therefore, they aren’t standardized. Just trust your teachers who’ve been doing it for 15 to 20 years. They know.
Btw, good luck with those Gen Z teachers.
This was my exact pt to lefty. This is why raising your child in nj is an advantage. The amount of good students in other states is very very low. In nj, your kid will never think they are the smartest kid in the class…and that’s the good thing. It’s all about who you surround yourself with…and nj attracts families that take education seriously. You can get an education anywhere, but it will never ever be on par with being put in a classroom that respects education and is driven. Development matters, and the individuals around you drive your development.
Lefty thinks you can go anywhere and get communities that respect education like in nj….dream on. It’s not easy to be raised in fly over country and make it out. Only a minority do. That’s the reality.
“I can’t stress enough to you as a parent is that you need to make sure your kid is in all those top classes because the rest of the kids will drag their performance down if they are in the lower levels.”
In nj…your kid might not get into the top college…but they will fine in life. In fly over country, it’s a big gamble that your kid will make it out and become successful. You guys willing to gamble on your kid’s future? Save money, but at the risk of your child’s development and success.
Play the odds, right? That’s why every single one of you raised your kids in nj as opposed to another location. That’s the simple fact. There are few locations in this country that I would raise my kid in.
” FL had kids back in school by May”
Umm, school ends in May according to FL school calendars,, dingbat. Back in school in time to get wiped out by a hurricane in August…right.
Florida returned to school at the very start of the school year. Southern states like Florida were fortunate because the shutdowns happened later in their school year. That 1 month difference does matter. But the entire point is, they got off on the right foot in Fall 2020 and picked up where they left off. NJ schools pretended to teach for the entire year and it was about 0% effective. They only let the kids return to school full in person around May 2021. It was a completely lost year.
Even my school, which was “half day, half in person” as opposed to 100% virtual suffered greatly.
Are NJ schools so superior to FL schools?
Or do they just have demographic differences? Teachers in NJ slums always blame the parents for their students’ low scores, remember.
https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/stt2022/2023011.aspx
Looking at 8th grade math tested in late 2022, Florida schools get slightly better average scores than NJ for hispanic students and black students and kids eligible for the school lunch program (i.e. poor). But White kids (only 35% of the 8th grade population in FL) and Asian kids (only 3%, and probably more are Viet) do underperform the bigger White and Asian kids in NJ, who represented 43% and 11% respectively.
I suspect if one controlled for parental education levels and race simultaneously, outcome differences would be further reduced within-category.
Which supports my hypothesis that NJ schoolteachers mostly take credit for schools where parents are highly educated and wealthy, and push their kids, and then blames the parents for the low performing schools with lots of non-Asian minorities. 8th grade reading scores are similar.
One thing that’s really shocking is that on these standardized tests for Fourth graders taken in 2022, Florida kids actually scored higher on average in both Reading and Math than did NJ kids, despite having a clear demographic headwind. FL whites, blacks, and hispanics all outperformed NJ’s 4th graders. Only NJ’s Asians beat FL’s Viet-heavy Asian community. So in 7 years, will FL high school grads be ahead of NJ high school grads? I doubt it, because NJ parents will probably start panicking and spend money on tutors, which they can more easily afford, to make up for the weakness of NJ state education.
Pumps
You don’t know what you’re talking about. At my oldest kids graduation the top 10 kids were all going to prestigious schools and military academies. Younger kids league did a ceremony for seniors. Almost all were going to good schools . Air Force academy, Baylor, SMU, Berkeley, MIT. University Texas Austin. But keep thinking only nj has good students.
The Enemy Within: Former College Presidents Offer Warnings
David Rosowsky
There have been several recent articles by former presidents of private liberal arts colleges who are opining on the inability of colleges and universities to realize needed transformational change, no matter the nature or the urgency of the existential threat. Their writing is frank and honest, but also sensitive and balanced. They express their thoughts, as they led their institutions, with humility, frustration and disappointment at times, and even humor (disarming and self-deprecating). Significantly, nearly all their points, concerns, and warnings were the same as those being ascribed to public research universities, about which I and others have written in recent years.
There are, of course, differences between private liberal arts colleges and public research universities. And there is a spectrum of important institutional types on which those two categories sit. But it seems evident that the combination of economics, public opinion, political pressures and polarization, enrollment trends and projections, student expectations, employer expectations, AND the very structures and processes that have come to define American higher education (including shared governance, tenure, academic calendar) have rendered both type of institutions unable to realize needed change. Now, at least for some (smaller private) institutions, the question has become “is it too late?”
Brian Mitchell, former president of Bucknell University and Washington & Jefferson College, draws on his experience to offer insight in his newest Forbes contribution. He also offers a stern warning: “Boards, administrators, and faculty must wake up to the new realities they now face… the faculty can no longer live in a world that no longer exists… institutional change will happen at a speed to which they are unaccustomed and potentially unwilling to accept.” President Mitchell then goes on to offer some immediate steps that can be taken. Perhaps the most important is to “abandon the approach to governance where trustees are updated in their periodic board meetings.”
Rosenberg, who described shared governance as a drag on any movement for change, a kind of anchor weighing institutions down, offers this frank commentary in his Inside Higher Ed interview: “Shared governance is a system designed, in my view, to make sure that any changes are very slow and very incremental. Anytime you work toward consensus within a large, heterogeneous group, you going to probably end up taking a lot if time – and with an outcome that is least objectionable to the most people, which is antithetical to anything revolutionary or transformational.” This, of course, against the backdrop of the many converging challenges facing higher ed. The need for transformational change in our nation’s colleges and universities has never been greater or more urgently needed.
President Rosenberg also speaks frankly if not apologetically about how college presidents think about shared governance versus how they speak about it on their campuses and to their constituencies, saying “shared governance is one of those things that if you ask any college president off the record, they’ll probably express their frustration, then they’ll go back to their campus and wax poetic about the wonders of shared governance, because that’s what they have to do to survive.” Damning but accurate. Shared governance, one of the most treasured and fiercely protected tenets of US higher education, is also its third rail. Leaders must tread carefully and be exact with their words. They must be respectful, if not deferential, and find lanes of cooperation that will allow some progress to be achieved. But that progress is (by design) slow. Incremental change is possible, but transformational change may not be.
Therein lies the conundrum about which Rosenberg writes in his new book. Higher ed’s own systems are inhibiting needed transformational change. Rosenberg wrote an essay adapted from his book that appeared this month in the Chronicle of Higher Education, “Higher Ed’s Ruinous Resistance to Change: The academy excels at preserving the status quo. It’s time to evolve.” In his essay, he shares disappointments, at times frustrations, from his own experience as Macalister’s president, summarizing: “Not only was there resistance to change, there was resistance to talking about change. Simply raising the subject was seen by many faculty members as an assault on the values of the college.” The response always follows a formulaic pattern, he adds, “shock, grief, outrage, protests… sometimes a vote of no-confidence.”
Such absolutism (or absolute obstructionism) should not be assumed to exist only at small liberal arts colleges. It can be found on most campuses, whether small teaching-focused institutions, or (in pockets of) large public research universities. President Rosenberg adds, “If maintenance of the status quo is the goal, higher education has managed to create the ideal system,” and then seemingly concedes, “virtually any administrator or faculty member who begins with an idea for transformational change will eventually reach the same conclusion about the battle: it’s not worth it.” He cites example after example, not with an accusatory tone but with humility, some head-scratching, and even humor.
Rosenberg also offers comment on the apparent “return to (pre-pandemic) normal” objective and now realized goal of many colleges and universities, not with relief but with the recognition of missed opportunity provided by the pandemic. The internal pressures driving this phenomenon have been written about by others. Rosenberg offers a similar view, “the pandemic years are more likely to be viewed … as an interruption than as a permanent shift in direction.” I have referred previously to this as a lost opportunity and examine the likelihood of seeing real disruption in the sector. Stanford University’s John Mitchell shares his frustration that most colleges and universities have “turned their backs on all we learned.” He adds, “There are no broad efforts by college leaders to codify what we have learned or leverage the resourcefulness, ingenuity, empathy, and understanding we gained by powering through the pandemic. It’s as if we spent two years building the foundation for a new future, only to abandon it for the familiar discomfort of a system widely in need of reinvention.”
Rosenberg concludes with a sadly accurate summary of where we landed post-pandemic before reminding us of the urgency of transformational change at our nation’s colleges and universities, writing: “One would be very hard pressed to find a traditional, in-person college that has announced a permanent shift to more online of asynchronous instruction or one with a physical campus that has decided to rely less on its buildings. Most of the revisions to the academic calendar that were made during the pandemic – summer sessions or divided semesters – are being reversed. Students are back to taking graded examinations. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
What is making former presidents like Mitchell and Rosenberg (and others) come forward at this time? Perhaps it’s the rising sense of urgency or the observations from their post-presidential perches that (1) nothing has changed, and (2) the institutions themselves (their culture and processes, pace and arrogance) are to blame.
Maybe the even more perplexing question is why are the views of former college and university leaders so diametrically opposed to those of sitting presidents? One group points to the urgency of needed change and the rapidity with which the existential threats are closing in on higher educational institutions (and the institution of US higher ed itself). The other asserts with inexplicable confidence (80% of those surveyed) that “their institution will be financially stable over the next decade.” UNC Wilmington’s Kevin McClure refers to this as “operating more on hope than on strategy.” Others are far less gentle in describing this disconnect from reality with sitting presidents having to balance leading their institution, addressing myriad challenges, managing change, respecting shared governance, and keeping their jobs. They are walking a thin line, endeavoring to balance optimism and realism – the former to build support and lift morale, the latter very carefully metered so as not to invoke a challenge.
The Greek philosopher Heraclitus is credited with the saying “the only constant in life is change.” Change has been a constant since the dawn of humanity. So, too, has been the fear of change. But without change there is no progress, no growth, no adaptation, no evolution. While far less philosophical, I have asserted in my own writing on higher education that “refusal to change – in a changing world – is not a strategy.”
And in the words of Benjamin Franklin, “when you are finished changing, you are finished.”
SMU is a dumping ground for burnout NE prep-school kids who whiffed in college and have moneyed parents forking out full freight. Think of the style of Murphy’s screw-up kid. I have several UES friends whose sons are down there trying to sleepwalk to a bachelor’s. I guess it is the new age Hartwick.
Hold my beer says:
March 6, 2024 at 3:05 pm
SMU
were colleges better in the past?
certainly not by looking at the boomer generation
Chicago
Look at all the wealthy moronic nepo babies who got into Ivy League schools.
Emory Medical School was not allowed to accept blacks till around 1970.
Ivys weren’t keen on Jews for a long time.
So, I have a problem with the narrative that the past was always better
BRT says:
March 6, 2024 at 2:57 pm
“Florida returned to school at the very start of the school year…they got off on the right foot in Fall 2020…NJ schools pretended to teach for the entire year and it was about 0% effective.”
Thanks BRT for correcting and clarifying my incorrect reference to May 2020. As important to restarting full-time in Aug, FL recognized the impact of lost learning and began opening schools in July for “summer recovery instruction”.
https://www.fldoe.org/newsroom/latest-news/governor-ron-desantis-announces-recommendations-to-safely-reopen-floridas-education-system.stml
Well, I got half a semester back.
“This was my exact pt to lefty. This is why raising your child in nj is an advantage. The amount of good students in other states is very very low…Lefty thinks you can go anywhere and get communities that respect education like in nj….dream on. ”
Last time, then I’m tapping out…You most certainly get ‘communities that respect education like in NJ’, everywhere you have a high end community…
Millburn-Short Hills is Buckhead is Belle Meade is Bloomfield Hills is…..
I understand your career literally has you not ever moving from inside of the same 40,000 square foot box for decades…you need to get out and around America more…not as a tourist but in peoples’ homes and communities.
Not going to argue. Google the most affluent communities in each State, and then look at the demographics and educational stats. Indistinguishable.
Your identity is WAY too tied up in your perception of NJ…as you say yourself, you wouldn’t be here otherwise. So I understand how reality may be tough hurdle for you. It is, however, reality.
And, lastly. the broad generalization you paint other States can be applied to NJ outside of the metro area of the State…you keep making this “NJ” argument when what you really mean is the locus of wealthy communities surrounding the NYC metro area.
So, one more time, Short Hills is indistinguishable from high end suburbs in other States. And the pine barrens are indistinguishable from economically depressed areas of other States.
Really easy concept professor.
Hehe.
Very Stable Genius says:
March 6, 2024 at 3:30 pm
were colleges better in the past?
certainly not by looking at the boomer generation
Ah a rainy, but productive day here in Mayberry, Booked the M3 for the long overdue airbag replace/recall. Scored passenger and driver replacements being installed as we speak. Driving a new x3 loaner and of course oggling the hardware in the showroom. The black M2/Manual comp model really looks like a blast to drive. My lord it was gorgeous. Among other machines, good times!
It may be a surprise to the red hats here but my CT school district was back in person by Sept 2020. It was partial day 9-1 then two hours on-line. Stop with narrative that all blue state schools were shut down in 2020-21.
Nearly everything political seems to boil down to causation not necessarily equaling correlation. I’m not sure who anyone here is trying to fool with that kind of nonsense.
And Lefty and BRT,
Yes, I agree with the school performances correlating to the wealth of the family. There is a lot of wealth in NJ. Most likely attributed to the Garden State’s industrial past (Bell Labs, Edison, Westinghouse, the pharma industry) and it’s insatiable need for smart recruits. I’m not sure where this is going to come from in the future unless everyone works for our state government (how large is that unfunded liability now). My argument is not that there aren’t smart students in other states or equally stupid students in Camden as there are in Flint. My point was that generally in NJ, our students do well. Though, I think spending helps. It’s not the end all be all.
South lake Texas. Highest median household income in DFW 240k. Mean is 216k
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southlake,_Texas
And it has twice the population of millburn short hills.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Hills,_New_Jersey
HMB
Gonna need it if Texas wants to secede from the USA. Are they planning to join NATO? Or are they going to tariff everything entering the USA from Mexico.
Then they could be just like Ukraine.
Hehe.
I was generalizing about north jersey. Sure, I could go pay top dollar for bloomfield hills and where would i be living? NJ is an attractive location. Why aren’t all those asian families running to bloomfield hills? Asking for a friend. You are argument is weak. Do you understand that families move to nj for the safety and quality of schools on top of an attractive location that offers unlimited money opportunities. Just stop..
“Last time, then I’m tapping out…You most certainly get ‘communities that respect education like in NJ’, everywhere you have a high end community…
Millburn-Short Hills is Buckhead is Belle Meade is Bloomfield Hills is…..”
And no one said others states didn’t have wealthy areas…esp a state the size of Texas. At the end of the day, most of texas is chit. The “it” areas like Dallas are just as expensive as north jersey…I’ll take north jersey all day…better weather…beach….mtns…and greatest city in the world. That’s just my opinion…i would rather live in north jersey high end suburb vs dallas high end suburb. Nothing against people that choose dallas…
Hold my beer says:
March 6, 2024 at 5:19 pm
South lake Texas. Highest median household income in DFW 240k. Mean is 216k
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southlake,_Texas
And it has twice the population of millburn short hills.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_Hills,_New_Jersey
Phoenix
Will Twice and Ive still come to Texas if it secedes?
Pumps
All nice suburban areas are pricey. The DFW area has more people than North Jersey. It almost has as many people as all of New Jersey. Texas is the size of France and has tons of poor rural areas.. I’m further away from Amarillo in the panhandle than you are to Pittsburgh, Montreal, or Richmond Virginia.
Huhhhh??
States ranked by Average SAT score……
Wisconsin 1252 202
2 Wyoming 1244 194
3 Kansas 1238 188
4 Utah 1233 183
5 Mississippi 1226 176
6 Minnesota 1225 175
7 Nebraska 1222 172
8 Kentucky 1219 169
8 South Dakota 1219 169
9 North Dakota 1212 162
10 Montana 1206 156
11 Missouri 1200 150
11 Tennessee 1200 150
12 Iowa 1196 146
13 Arkansas 1191 141
14 Nevada 1172 122
15 Louisiana 1171 121
16 Arizona 1159 109
17 Alabama 1146 96
18 Oregon 1143 93
19 North Carolina 1136 86
20 Massachusetts 1129 79
21 Hawaii 1124 74
21 Virginia 1124 74
22 California 1115 65
23 Alaska 1110 60
24 Washington 1096 46
25 Vermont 1095 45
26 Pennsylvania 1091 41
27 Maine 1081 31
28 New Jersey 1079 29
29 Maryland 1075 25
30 Indiana 1073 23
31 New York 1067 17
32 Georgia 1060 10
33 Ohio 1053 3
34 New Hampshire 1050 0
35 South Carolina 1030 -20
36 Connecticut 1025 -25
37 Colorado 1021 -29
38 Texas 1001 -49
39 Michigan 1000 -50
40 Idaho 986 -64
41 District of Columbia 985 -65
42 Florida 983 -67
43 Illinois 981 -69
44 New Mexico 976 -74
45 Rhode Island 971 -79
46 Delaware 968 -82
47 Oklahoma 951 -99
48 West Virginia 938 -112
Juice : Mississippi number 5???
Yeah. I had to question that list too. Where is it from? Trump’s head?
Make nyc great again! Lol
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-03-06/new-york-to-deploy-national-guard-to-nyc-subways-to-fight-crime
My guess is that in states like Mississippi, the poorer don’t take the SAT. Here’s a ranking based on Standard achievement tests that seem to make a little more sense since they are based on standardized testing at multiple grades.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/education/student-resources/which-states-have-the-highest-standardized-test-scores/
1 Massachusetts 42.90% 42.61% 35.06% 39.80% 1,112 26 515
2 Utah 42.08% 36.83% 34.50% 35.66% 1,239 20 514
3 New Jersey 39.42% 38.02% 33.14% 41.58% 1,066 24 514
4 New Hampshire 39.96% 37.02% 28.96% 32.82% 1,035 25 516
5 Connecticut 37.01% 34.62% 29.95% 34.77% 1,007 26 514
6 Wisconsin 42.90% 32.60% 33.22% 32.39% 1,236 19 512
7 Virginia 37.72% 31.82% 31.21% 30.98% 1,113 25 513
8 Colorado 36.40% 37.59% 27.82% 34.16% 996 25 514
9 Nebraska 43.20% 34.01% 30.96% 28.82% 1,252 19 512
10 Vermont 34.43% 33.64% 26.92% 34.46% 1,099 24
Exactly. Again, I have no problem with Texas…I wouldn’t describe it as “fly over” anymore.
Same with Florida…Florida is now two worlds…coastal Florida is full of elites and inland Florida is what it is.
Hold my beer says:
March 6, 2024 at 5:54 pm
Pumps
All nice suburban areas are pricey. The DFW area has more people than North Jersey. It almost has as many people as all of New Jersey. Texas is the size of France and has tons of poor rural areas.. I’m further away from Amarillo in the panhandle than you are to Pittsburgh, Montreal, or Richmond Virginia.
Not my rankings.
https://www.learner.com/blog/states-with-highest-sat-scores
Juice,
Lib is correct. Nj tests almost every student on the sat. That’s including esl and sped. You think these other states are doing that? Get real.
Hold my beer says:
March 6, 2024 at 5:50 pm
Phoenix
Will Twice and Ive still come to Texas if it secedes?
IDK brother. But I hope so for your sake. And I hope they keep coming here for mine.
My ex wouldn’t give me my kid for the weekend with IVE. Hopefully the beech will take her. Wasn’t my day, but I have lost so many you think the c**t would have done it for a special occasion for her kid. But it’s never been about the kid, it’s always about her.
Look carefully, and you will see this holds true with many women. Have a kid with them, they feel slighted and jealous over the child they birthed.
Have you seen Old Dads? The scene that gets me most is when his wife locks him out of the house. No violence against her, nothing. Watch how she insists he leave and go to a motel.
What is it about that gender that forgets we own half the property? Is it that men are conditioned to be thrown out of their houses by media and movies, like we have no rights?
Watch the movie. Tell me what he did to get the response from her, and if it’s appropriate. Cause for the life of me I don’t understand what is in her head that makes her think that is appropriate.
Phoenix,
A lot of “preying mantis” out there. Biggest farce in history…man’s world. Beautiful women play a trance like no other. They rule and puppeteer behind the scenes. Looks are overrated once you realize this. That’s why boys chase looks and men run from it (talking about dimes). A wise man looks for the utility in a woman, a boy chases danger, drunk off the trance. Looks are so f’ing overrated…chasing misery 9 out of 10 times. Find that down to earth girl and be happy…you deserve this.
That state SAT ranking is meaningless. Only 1% of Mississippi seniors take the SAT. The top states all have low % of students who take it because the ACT is more prevalent. The SAT scores are inflated in those states because only the top more motivated students take both.
For christ sake, if you can’t tell the difference between Massachusetts/nj/conn/ny state nyc suburbs/wash dc suburbs and the majority of the rest of the country…you need to get out more.
Look at how different it is in rural west/or south jersey, from the rest of the state…now imagine the towns far away from any real city. Nj is different…wake up.
Scraps says:
March 6, 2024 at 9:07 pm
That state SAT ranking is meaningless. Only 1% of Mississippi seniors take the SAT. The top states all have low % of students who take it because the ACT is more prevalent. The SAT scores are inflated in those states because only the top more motivated students take both.
Every county in nj is a metropolitan county….says it all.
7:22 I’ve driven the width of Texas and I would absolutely describe it as flyover country.
Left,
“and you go on a DJT rant….Nice….”
But that cognitive dissidence is screaming at you to defend Donnie as we all know where your true loyalties lie. There is no Bernie this cycle to hide behind, we’ll get to see the real you! Those sneakers are on Temu for $19.99 you and Gary can match.
Left,
“So, one more time, Short Hills is indistinguishable from high end suburbs in other States. ”
What a complete BS argument. I have a cousin in Short Hills dropping $50K a year on each of their kids. I dated a Single Mom from Montclair back in the day and I think the main reason was to support her kids application to Pingry.
https://patch.com/new-jersey/millburn/private-vs-public-school-nj-spotlight-map-pinpoints-numbers
This aint Effin Texas. When it comes to the public schools, my kids team came second in States to Chatham, they didn’t lose on talent, they lost to depth of bench. The amount of money that district has to sink into programs is unreal.
I’ll say this about Short Hills. Their student body is an academic juggernaut.
The SATs are hardly the metric they used to be 15 years ago. Like I said, they vary the composition and versions of the test too much to draw conclusions. Standardized testing is a complete mess and has been since about 2014.
To give you an idea, my last year at Ridge, my students (125 students) were given two different versions of the AP1 test. The college board likes to claim they all are set to the same difficulty but they are too stupid to pull that off and the results have consistently shown that’s a lie. The 85% 1st group was in the top 25% of the nation (they only gave you 4 bar graphs for quartiles). 50% of the 2nd group was in the to 25%. So either one test was really easy or the another one was much harder. Either way, the disparity was off the charts.
I wonder why NYC needs the national guard in the subways. What’s the NYPD doing?