Most exciting places in Jersey? Discuss.

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These Are The 10 Most Exciting Places In New Jersey

If you’re in New Jersey and you’re bored, you’re obviously doing something wrong. Just look around—this state is absolutely full of awesome places to be and awesome things to do. Festivals, bars, theme parks, beaches, the list goes on and on.

So, who tops the list as the most exciting place in the state?

1. City of Hoboken
2. Borough of Palisades Park
3. City of Long Branch
4. Atlantic City
5. City of Trenton
6. City of New Brunswick
7. City of Hackensack
8. City of Clifton
9. Union City
10. Jersey City

How We Got Excited About Getting These Results

First off, we made a list of the 50 most populated places in New Jersey, based on the 2010 U.S. Census. There were a few places we couldn’t find any data for, so if your city is missing, that’s why. We then used the Census and business listings to gather info in eight different criteria:

Nightlife per capita (bars, clubs, comedy, etc.)
Live music venues per capita
Active life options per capita (parks, outdoor activities, etc.)
Arts and Entertainment per capita (movie theaters, festivals, galleries, theaters, etc.)
Fast Food restaurants per capita (the fewer the better)
Percentage of restaurants that are not fast food (the higher the better)
Percentage of young residents ages 18 to 34 (the higher the better)
Population density (the higher the better)

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121 Responses to Most exciting places in Jersey? Discuss.

  1. Michael says:

    The next big bubble. Parents going into debt for daycare….lol

    Transfuse the Cadaver says:
    June 4, 2014 at 7:21 am
    Gubmint can subsidize daycare, then offer daycare financing.

    Should work great.

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    I love the beach in Hackensack, it’s my favorite! :-)

  3. Michael says:

    If this was 30 years ago, clifton would def be higher. Van Houten Ave used to be the world record holder for most bars and liquor stores on one street. Times have changed.

  4. Juice Box says:

    Negative rates in the EU coming?

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101728136

  5. Michael says:

    At some point you would think that even New York Times editorial writers would come to suspect that the welfare state is not relieving poverty. It is creating it.

    We have spent $15 trillion “fighting” poverty since 1965 and we are currently spending $ 1 trillion a year ― an amount equal to about $22,000 per poor person or $88,000 for a family of four. Yet our poverty rate today (16%) is higher than when we started (14%)! If there has been a War on Poverty, poverty won.

    Is it not obvious that we are subsidizing and enabling a way of life? To put it bluntly, we are paying young women to have children out of wedlock. We are paying them to be unemployed. And we are paying them to remain poor.

    Now let’s turn to the rational (non-emotional) argument for the welfare state. Kristof writes:

    “John Rawls, the brilliant 20th-century philosopher, argued for a societythat seems fair if we consider it from behind a ‘veil of ignorance’ — meaning we don’t know whether we’ll be born to an investment banker or a teenage mom, in a leafy suburb or a gang-ridden inner city, healthy or disabled, smart or struggling, privileged or disadvantaged. That’s a shrewd analytical tool — and who among us would argue for food stamp cuts if we thought we might be among the hungry children?”

    Warren Buffett, by the way, makes a similar argument.

    And in both cases, it’s a surprise that these two very intelligent men cannot think of any other policy options. Remember, behind the Rawlsian veil of ignorance you don’t have to worry about what is politically practical. You can choose any public policy you like.

    So wouldn’t a rational person ask how public policy could be changed so that fewer children are born to alcoholic mothers who don’t read to them or encourage their mental development?

    It appears that government doing nothing would have vastly decreased the odds of being born as a child of such mothers. During the Reagan years the Council of Economic Advisors tracked the reduction in Post-World War II poverty as a function of economic growth. The conclusion: if there had never been a War on Poverty, the poverty rate by the mid-80s would have been significantly below where it actually was.

    Bringing those estimates forward, if there had never been a welfare state, economic growth alone should have virtually eliminated poverty by now.

    Today, Buffet and Kristof standing behind a veil of ignorance ― about to be born into the United States ― would have a one in two chance of experiencing a birth paid for by Medicaid. Absent the welfare state, their odds of needing charity to be born would have been on the order of two or three out of 100.

    Of course now that we have created the welfare state, and the culture that depends on it, it’s virtually impossible to end it and ask everyone on the dole to go cold turkey. But we can do something else. We can privatize it.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoodman/2013/12/03/is-poverty-really-the-result-of-bad-luck/

  6. anon (the good one) says:

    well, if the bubble blows up, we simply bailout the lending banks as we have always done in the past. profits are private, losses are socialized.

    Michael says:
    June 4, 2014 at 8:01 am
    The next big bubble. Parents going into debt for daycare….lol

    Transfuse the Cadaver says:
    June 4, 2014 at 7:21 am
    Gubmint can subsidize daycare, then offer daycare financing.

    Should work great.

  7. jj says:

    Funny if Hoboken is the best that is super sad.

  8. anon (the good one) says:

    @EpicureanDeal: “Even billionaires have feelings,” says wife of billionaire.

  9. Street Justice says:

    Sparta farmhand sexually assaulted girl in barn, police say

    http://www.nj.com/sussex-county/index.ssf/2014/06/sparta_farmhand_sexually_assaulted_girl_in_barn_police_say.html#incart_m-rpt-1

    SPARTA — A local farmhand allegedly sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl in a barn Monday – and he now faces criminal charges, police said.

    Adrian Bautista, 25, was working on the Sparta farm near the border with Lafayette Township when he allegedly entered a barn and encountered the girl, who was doing chores, said Sgt. John-Paul Beebe of the Sparta police.

    Bautista is accused of engaging in sexual activity with the girl for about 15 minutes, after which he left, authorities said.

    The girl called an adult family member who came to help her – and the police were called at approximately 4 p.m., authorities said.

    The adult family member found Bautista, who ran away when he learned the police were coming, Beebe said

    snip

    Authorities also alleged that Bautista is living in the United States illegally, Sparta police said. The federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement has leveled a no-bail detainer against the suspect, Beebe added.

  10. All Hype says:

    Sorry for the double post. Thought my computer was not working correctly.

  11. Ragnar says:

    Keep in mind that as US citizens, everyone has already gone deeply in debt to fund daycare programs, various welfare programs, wars, etc., via the national debt, owed to both domestic and foreign bond-buyers. The government merely collectivizes the owing, so that they can also extract political rents on both the spending end and the servicing/payback end.

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    My final comment on the minimum wage issue for now:

    Proponents have pointed out that SF hiked its min. wage and the world didn’t end. Seattle has now done the same and proponents say that SF should be the model. And I agree.

    Here’s why, and its a reason I had not thought to look deeply at in the past. In fact, I consider it the principal reason SF was able to avoid economic impact and why Seattle may do the same: Geography.

    Look at a map of SF. It is on the end of a peninsula. Businesses that want to cross the municipal boundary can only look south toward Daly City unless they want to deal with a bridge. SF is largely surrounded by a moat that keeps a certain % of the tax base in.

    Seattle is even more geographically isolated. It is bounded on two sides by water, accessible only by two bridges from the east, and ferries from the west. And its downtown is in the middle, miles from its southern and northern municipal boundaries.

    Will these “moats” keep all of the tax base in? No, absolutely not, and the bleed will be worst at the periphery where employers need only move a mile or two to avoid the municipal jurisdiction. But when it comes to employers that need to be in a downtown because of physical location, need for proximity, or just that is because it is where the customers are, they won’t migrate–they will adapt or die (increased cost inputs mean some die anyway).

    It occurs to me that NYC could do the same thing; Manhattan is literally an island, as is SI, and the municipal boundaries on Long Island and the Bronx are so far removed from the business centers that peripheral bleed is containable. Jersey is effectively moated off by the physical and cost constraints imposed by the Port Authority. Further, because NYC is already so high cost, any business that would move has probably already done so.

    And there is another benefit that the hipsters should consider: IMHO, raising the min wage promotes gentrification (again, look to SF as a case study). Yes, your latte and organic baguette will cost more but your Park Slope co-op will go up another 6% a year in value.

  13. Juice Box says:

    re # 8 – I am actually glad they did not mention Red Bank.

    As far as “Percentage of restaurants that are not fast food”. Most joints that aren’t large chain restaurants in Hoboken and other cities mentioned are still “fast food” they all sling out stuff made from frozen SYSCO slop.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [13] redux,

    BTW, the gentrification I referred to had to do with physical neighborhoods. There is another aspect of the min. wage debate that has “gentrification” attached to it.

    http://www.mikecritelli.com/2014/03/25/higher-minimum-wages-gentrifying-job-market/

    And this is just one unintended consequence; I also expect that this increases the benefits of hiring illegal workers who will be willing to strike deals to work at sub-min wages, knowing that on an after-tax basis, they still come out ahead.

    So our net effects of the min. wage hikes can be summarized as follows:

    Net job loss (-)
    Greater income for a subset of the min. wage workers (+)
    Job losses for some min wage workers due to replacement by more qualified (+/-)
    Possible net job losses for minorities and women (-)
    Increased tax revenues (+)
    Increased welfare spending (-)
    Increased technology spending (+/-)
    Diminished consumption by some consumers, substitution effect (-)
    Increased consumption by low income workers spending (+)

    ATEOTD, the min wage increases are distortive in the same manner as a tax. And it will create winners and losers–the problem I see is that these winners and losers are not the people who you expect them to be.

  15. Juice Box says:

    History Rhymes

    After the rise of the heroin era of the 1970s when crack was just starting to take hold there was about 200,000 addicts in NYC alone out of the 1/2 million plus addicts in the entire country. Cheap Mexican heroin folks. This time it is different, no way to stop it coming in unless they close the border.

    Law enforcement and heath care is now are up against a rising tide of addicts, we are going to see allot of deaths perhaps even people that are family and friends if this keeps up.

    Coming to a street near you. Hipster Johnny and Hipster Sally who live in their parent’s basement are junkies.

    http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2014/06/more_than_325_arrested_in_north_jersey_anti-heroin_effort_bergen_prosecutor_says.html#incart_m-rpt-1

  16. Bystander says:

    Camden could be very exciting..in a ‘Naked Prey’ sort of way..

  17. anon (the good one) says:

    “The implication is where you start in life is where you end up in life,” Alexander said in a press release. “It’s very sobering to see how this all unfolds.”

    @BillMoyersHQ: RT @MotherJones:
    If You’re Born Poor, You’ll Probably Stay That Way
    http://t.co/dWro38NJIs

  18. Michael says:

    13- Nom, well written. I would go further to say that a minimum wage hike makes sense in these high cost cities, but it does not make sense for most of America. We shouldn’t be pushing for a national minimum wage hike, it should only be focused in high cost areas like NYC. Everything costs more in the city, it’s only natural that the minimum wage would reflect that. I wonder what % of nyc actually gets paid the minimum wage, it’s prob very low, maybe 1%, if that. It’s literally impossible to survive in nyc on minimum wage. So how many people could be working under that?

  19. Libturd in Union says:

    “Sparta farmhand sexually assaulted girl in barn, police say”

    Obviously, this was not an onion farm.

  20. Libturd in Union says:

    Those who advocate a minimum wage hike should check out the slums in India.

    The Libtard plan to end poverty in America would involve adding a new tax to the purchase of hipster items. Any purchase of a Toyota Prius or Subaru Outback would require a $1,000 surcharge on the purchase price of the car. If you choose to purchase a different make or model, but opt for the Bumper Buddy bumper guard, you will still be required to pay the $1,000 surcharge. Those with BumperNuts are eligible for a $100 discount. To make the hipster tax easier to swallow, any whole case purchases of Pabst Blue Ribbon can be deducted as a charitable donation on your income taxes.

    Problem solved.

  21. Michael says:

    15- Nom, seriously, thanks for posting this article. This quote really hits home for me on this issue. Never looked at it like this.

    I’m coming to the conclusion that there really is nothing you can do for these people. The more you try to help, the more you make it worst for them. I’m slowly losing my empathy for the plight of the poor. There is nothing you can do for them besides giving a free education. It is the only effective way to help them. If they don’t take advantage, there is nothing more that can be done to help their plight. It get tiring try to help people that refuse to be helped.

    Better-educated unemployed or underemployed people, particularly younger college graduates, will compete with the less well-educated people who currently either apply for or occupy these positions, and the jobs will be redesigned to require higher literacy, better math competency and more technology skills. Most of the people who held the $7.25 per hour jobs will not the people who hold the $15 per hour jobs, or even the $10.10 jobs, that remain.

    In the context of the subject matter touched upon by our film From the Rough, this is essentially what happened with caddie positions. As golf carts began to replace black caddies, the remaining positions became higher paying and more prestigious. The much larger population of young white people, who aspired to golfing careers, began applying for these jobs. Today, there are far fewer caddies and most of them are white. When the jobs were lower paying, dirtier, and less prestigious, most caddies were black or Hispanic.

  22. Happy Renter says:

    Heard from a friend of mine in NJ who is packing up the family and moving to South Carolina.

    The wife works at a company with an office in Charleston to which she can transfer, and he runs his own IT business from home. Both of them were born and raised in NJ and have large, tight-knit families (think the kind that get together at somebody’s house every week or so), their parents are first-generation Italian immigrants. They have a nice house and a pretty relaxed life (compared to some of us who duke it out in NYC every day); three kids. They have 3 kids and have great “free babysitting” and all the other stuff that comes from having lots of family nearby. Lots of family members in the trades so they get lots of perks when it comes to renovations and stuff like that. Went to Rutgers, never lived out of NJ and never really contemplated it; they’re also the type of people who probably imagined themselves staying in NJ for good.

    When they broke the news of the move, I asked what the primary motivation was for moving. The answer: taxes. Said they are being eaten alive with property taxes and finally got fed up.

    I told him good for him — his parents packed up and left Italy and came to America in search of a better life. Not a big deal to pack up and get the eff out of New Jersey.

    An anecdote, but a telling one.

  23. Michael says:

    16- Sad. Unfortunately, I know one of the people on that list. One of my best friends growing up. Makes me sick. Best part, his dad was a cop. Kid had the world. He had the looks and his parents gave him anything he wanted. Kid got every hot girl and now he fuc!ed his life up royally. Sad part, his mom gave up on him, but his dad refuses to give up. Still sees hope in Johnny.

  24. Libturd in Union says:

    Michael,

    I was a long-time employee in residence life at my alma mater. I had the privilege of working with lots of poverty level kids who were given a 100% free ride including books, board and tuition. They would be in the dorms over the Summer with the international students as well as us residence life members. They were given a head start to attend any remedial classes to catch up to the privileged students entering in the Fall. I could tell you on day one, which kids would graduate with a degree and which kids would party for a year and drop out. Those whose moms would beat their kid senseless for wasting the opportunity always did well. The ghetto trash, who usually packed 3 suitcases of kicks and 1 suitcase of hip hop tapes were done before they got there.

    There is really nothing us guilt-ridden, privileged, white, reparation wanting folks can do besides provide the opportunity for those willing to take it. Paying for people not to work and housing them in projects simply creates the latter of the two types of kids I described. Periodically, a black mother gets sick of witnessing the cycle of poverty maintained by us guilty white folks and follows the preachings of their church leaders and uses common sense. Unfortunately, no amount of money can change this ratio. Actually, it’s better to let a drug addict hit bottom than to continue to enable their habit. Current liberal policy is to continue loading their pipes with fresh rock.

  25. Michael says:

    23- Damn, they are willing to leave free baby sitting and free trade work! My taxes would have to really go up a lot for me to make that jump. If they can get similar pay, I guess long term they will make out.

  26. Libturd in Union says:

    “If You’re Born Poor, You’ll Probably Stay That Way”

    Boy, that Moyers is quite the Einstein.

  27. WickedOrange says:

    The Rebirth of U.S. Manufacturing: Myth or Reality?
    http://blogs.hbr.org/2014/06/the-rebirth-of-u-s-manufacturing-myth-or-reality/

  28. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [28] wicked

    As the article points out, the truth lies somewhere in between. My god, business leaders using data and sound judgment to decide where to locate? My god, when will it end?

    In truth, the situation always existed and the marginal change is just that. But here is the quote that got me:

    “What could deter manufacturers from investing in U.S.-based manufacturing? Our survey respondents suggest that high corporate taxes and regulatory uncertainty are the two biggest factors hindering U.S. manufacturing from growing faster.”

    And if we don’t improve our hostile environment?

    ” Manufacturers in lower-cost countries such as China are also raising their game, not least by improving their own use of automation.”

    Being in business and economies is like shaving. Sure, you did a good job today but you have to do it all over again tomorrow.

    And on that note, I have to go be productive for once.

  29. Michael says:

    Sad, but true. You really hit the nail on the T. I was looking at it naively, but have to face the truth. No one can help these people, but themselves. All you can do is provide the opportunity, the rest is on them. If they can’t come through, it’s their own fault.

    Libturd in Union says:
    June 4, 2014 at 10:32 am
    Michael,

    I was a long-time employee in residence life at my alma mater. I had the privilege of working with lots of poverty level kids who were given a 100% free ride including books, board and tuition. They would be in the dorms over the Summer with the international students as well as us residence life members. They were given a head start to attend any remedial classes to catch up to the privileged students entering in the Fall. I could tell you on day one, which kids would graduate with a degree and which kids would party for a year and drop out. Those whose moms would beat their kid senseless for wasting the opportunity always did well. The ghetto trash, who usually packed 3 suitcases of kicks and 1 suitcase of hip hop tapes were done before they got there.

    There is really nothing us guilt-ridden, privileged, white, reparation wanting folks can do besides provide the opportunity for those willing to take it. Paying for people not to work and housing them in projects simply creates the latter of the two types of kids I described. Periodically, a black mother gets sick of witnessing the cycle of poverty maintained by us guilty white folks and follows the preachings of their church leaders and uses common sense. Unfortunately, no amount of money can change this ratio. Actually, it’s better to let a drug addict hit bottom than to continue to enable their habit. Current liberal policy is to continue loading their pipes with fresh rock.

  30. jj says:

    I got that free ride it was great. Living off the rich white honkies was the best except that govt cheese gave me bad farts.

    25.Libturd in Union says:
    June 4, 2014 at 10:32 am
    Michael,

    I was a long-time employee in residence life at my alma mater. I had the privilege of working with lots of poverty level kids who were given a 100% free ride including books, board and tuition.

  31. Anon E. Moose says:

    Soccer time – What a cluster Brazil is, huh?

    I give the US 0-2-1 in the group of death.

  32. anon (the good one) says:

    2015 Outback looks pretty good, maybe getting it this fall. particularly now that more people are dying on faulty GM

    Libturd in Union says:
    June 4, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Any purchase of a Toyota Prius or Subaru Outback

  33. Libturd in Union says:

    One and Ghana.

  34. anon (the good one) says:

    @CNBC: For the past 3 decades, most U.S. wage growth has gone to the top 1% [Study] http://t.co/PKWh4zIpau http://t.co/OHdjQgsHTx

    “From 1948 to 1979, both hourly wages and productivity roughly doubled.
    But from 1979 to 2013, productivity rose 65 percent while average hourly compensation rose just 8 percent, according to the EPI.

    And those at the bottom and middle of the income ladder saw little of those gains, according to the analysis, because most wage growth has flowed to the top 1 percent of earners.”

  35. Anon E. Moose says:

    Lib [34];

    One and Ghana.

    As I see it, that’s the draw. US sports media will spin the draw as a quasi-moral victory since Ghana’s knocked the US out before.

  36. Michael says:

    I’m disappointed that the Italians didn’t put rossi on the final roster. He was on fire lately, they might regret that.

  37. NJGator says:

    The only place the USA has a shot is in their bracket at Lil Gator’s World Cup Soccer Party.

  38. Michael says:

    Wow, I didn’t even realize India had a minimum wage law. Working great.

    Libturd in Union says:
    June 4, 2014 at 10:11 am
    Those who advocate a minimum wage hike should check out the slums in India.

  39. Michael says:

    You prob read this already, but thought it was worth sharing.

    “The first significant announcement was that Apple would be allowing iOS phone users to control their devices from their Mac. This has, to some extent, already been done on Android. And techies like me have been using Bluetooth for this sort of thing for more than 10 years, but Apple, as always, has nailed the way it’s done. The demo, at least, made it look like the most natural thing in the world to start writing a message on your phone, and then finish it on your Mac. Of course, these things work well when you and everyone you know just uses Apple hardware, and Apple made no significant inroads to embracing other platforms today.

    Most exciting of all though, was Apple’s iOS8. To look at, you wouldn’t think that would be the case. Visually, it’s just a tweak to iOS7, but under the hood things start to get more interesting. Extensions were the first thing that blew my mind. Now iOS apps are able to communicate with each other, and one can give or take data from another. This might sound like a small thing, but with Apple’s eye for security in place, it allows apps to work together in ways they never could have before.

    It allows, for example, your Jawbone UP app to get information from your diet app about what you’ve selected to eat today, along with calorie counts and nutritional information. If you then wanted to give data about your number of steps taken, and calories consumed to the new HealthKit then that’s now possible. From there, you can pass it to your doctor or anyone else you choose. This is a significant improvement over current iOS devices, and there is no similar feature on Android either.

    Also exciting was the new widgets for the notifications area. Widgets are an Android stronghold, and Apple doesn’t have the same “homescreen” style layout as Google’s GOOGL -1.77% OS, so widgets had to go to the notifications area. But the demo of eBay EBAY -0.14% proved just how well this system has been developed. In the example, you can see your ongoing auctions, and simply increase your bid in the notification widget. That’s a massive usability advance, and reduces clicking and app changing times. For users, that will be a huge boost.

    Apple also opened up its fingerprint scanner via a new API. This means that you’ll be able to authorise app purchases via fingerprint. Rightly, Apple doesn’t allow any of that secure information off the device, it’s all kept locked away, but this is a great, secure way to pay. Fingerprints are not perfect security of course, but they do bring together conveniences and a reasonable level of protection, which is what the public wants.

    Another great decisions has been with the decision to allow third-parties to develop keyboards. I have just written about this very subject, bemoaning Apple’s lack of flexibility, and then suddenly the company changes its mind. But this is great, and Swiftkey is already in development for iOS, and it’s likely all the best Android keyboards will make their way over too. This has been handled well by Apple, as it has taken care with the security of your data, and it restricts what keyboards can send to internet services, but users have the option to allow this if their chosen keyboard has cloud functionality, for remembering personal dictionaries.

    Even the way Apple handles app purchases has changed for the better, users can now share apps with family members and there’s ways for app developers to bundle things into one package. A very clever idea for helping increase sales in a market that is very saturated.”

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2014/06/02/apple-just-delivered-a-knockout-blow-to-android-with-ios8/

  40. Michael says:

    41- Sorry left out the main point

    “In total, Apple says there are now 4000 new APIs for developers to use in iOS8. To most of us, this doesn’t mean a lot, but what the firm did at this WWDC was make it clear that Android’s reputation for flexibility is being challenged, and Apple thinks it can avoid the problems with malware and viruses that have been something of an issue for Android.

    This is the first WWDC where I think Apple has got everything right. There was some “borrowing” of ideas from Android and others, but once again, Apple manages to integrate things in a more seamless way than the Android phone companies.”

  41. Happy Renter says:

    In the parlance of the times, I think this qualifies as at least a “micro-aggression” – no? Paging the Ivory Tower . . .

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/united-express-plane-turns-back-tenn-passenger-threatens-crew-member-article-1.1816035

    A United Express flight headed from Nashville, Tenn., to Houston turned around after an angry passenger allegedly threatened a female crew member.

    “I kill white people like you,” LaShonda Williams, 43, reportedly told the flight attendant, who had requested Williams turn off her cell phone, according to WSMV-TV.

  42. Michael says:

    “The combined lifetime contributions of the second generation Walmart heirs and their family holding company to the Walton Family Foundation come to $58.49 million, or:

    ■■ About .04% of the Waltons’ net worth of $139.9 billion;
    ■■ About .34% of the estimated $17.1 Billion in Walmart dividends that Rob, Jim, Alice and Christy received during the years we analyzed;
    ■■ Less than one week’s worth of the Walmart dividends the Waltons will receive this year;
    ■■ Less than the estimated value of Rob Walton’s collection of vintage sports cars.

    The report goes on to detail how the Foundation has been funded over the years, namely by tax-avoiding trusts established with assets provided by the late Sam, Helen and John Walton or their estates. The study found that 99% of the Foundation’s contributions since 2008 have been channeled through 21 Charitable Lead Annuity Trusts. These CLATs, as they’re known, are specifically designed to help ultra-wealthy families avoid estate and gift taxes.

    While using foundations to thwart the tax man is nothing new for the very rich, Walmart 1 Percent describes the family’s philanthropic activities as less a tax dodge and more another “outpost in the vast Walton family business empire”:

    “The Walmart heirs have built one of the largest and most powerful private foundations in the country—at almost no cost to themselves. They have done so with the assistance of financial experts who manage the family holding company, Walton Enterprises, and the Walton Family Foundation with a keen eye toward maximizing the family’s wealth. In addition, the Waltons are exploiting complex loopholes in the tax code in order to avoid billions of dollars in estate taxes by funding their Foundation with special trusts.””

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconnor/2014/06/03/report-walmarts-billionaire-waltons-give-almost-none-of-own-cash-to-family-foundation/

  43. chicagofinance says:

    When you board airplanes, they need to offer a Trigger Alert due to the request to turn off cell phones…..
    Happy Renter says:

    June 4, 2014 at 12:31 pm

    In the parlance of the times, I think this qualifies as at least a “micro-aggression” – no? Paging the Ivory Tower . . .

  44. chicagofinance says:

    Possibly the most insightful concept you ever posted…..

    Michael says:
    June 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm
    41- Sorry left out the main point

  45. Michael says:

    lol…good one

    chicagofinance says:
    June 4, 2014 at 12:41 pm
    Possibly the most insightful concept you ever posted…..

    Michael says:
    June 4, 2014 at 12:26 pm
    41- Sorry left out the main point

  46. Count DeMoney says:

    To Happy Renter:

    http://gawker.com/black-men-working-at-cotton-gin-told-water-fountain-is-1585952633

    You seem to like this stuff. Are you sure you are not an in-bred piney? Or an out of your usual water/ out of place southerner?

  47. Theo says:

    I think Michael is schizophrenic. He aquires, changes and abandons whole belief moral systems faster than you can drink a slurpie.

  48. Happy Renter says:

    [48] Racist comments at a cotton-gin in Tennessee? Wow – what “knockout” comeback to this polar bear, er, piney! Scraping the bottom of the barrel there, eh?

  49. Libturd in the City says:

    Hard to get brain freeze when you dont’s gots no brain.

  50. Libturd in the City says:

    Best comment from the cotton-gin article…

    “I get the water fountain, but the microwave?”

  51. nwnj says:

    Michael is cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

  52. joyce says:

    Cincinnati Police Department to officers: Do not try to save fire victims
    “Cincinnati officers who are first to respond to a fire are now ordered to stay out of burning buildings.”
    http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/cincinnati-police-department-to-officers-do-not-try-to-save-fire-victims

    heroes… everyone last one of them

  53. Libturd in the City says:

    This is what’s in Grim’s yard:

    http://tinyurl.com/grims-sign

  54. Libturd in the City says:

    They are better off going in.
    Work five years and get paid for life. Like what happened in Montclair…

    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nj-supreme-court/1567903.html

  55. jj says:

    The Iginition issue deaths were all driver error. If you read into it all that happend was
    a few cars stalled while driving. One teenager was inexerience panic and turned the wheel and crashed.

    Cars used to stall all the time 30 years ago. My divers Ed teacher even turned off the iginition and showed us to take feet off gas and brake, dont panic, keep steering wheel straight slip car into neutural and restart. Apparantly folks today never had the junkers folks in my age group had in college as they never had a car stall out
    33.anon (the good one) says:
    June 4, 2014 at 11:15 am
    2015 Outback looks pretty good, maybe getting it this fall. particularly now that more people are dying on faulty GM

    Libturd in Union says:
    June 4, 2014 at 10:11 am

    Any purchase of a Toyota Prius or Subaru Outback

  56. jj says:

    Other thing people dont realize is GM had Record Sales last month DUE to RECALL> that is why stock is up today.

    Dealer near me on news was saying most of the recalled cars never had a problem. But they are being asked to bring it back to deal. Most are older, cheaper, junk models, heck a bunch of them are the cheap Saturn models and Chevy Cobalt models that dont even exist. Dealer near me said he was allowed to offer 3-5K depending on situation extra to these folks if they skip fixing junker and get a new one. He said if you never had a problem and your junky old 12 year old Saturn with 150K miles dealer is offering 3k on a trade in and zero down zero financing on a new car it is an easy sale. Some of the Chevys are pretty cheap. A 16K car with a 3k trade in credit with zero percent interest and zero percent down is a no brainer, a 12 year old Saturn or ION or Cobalt is on borrowed time anyhow.

  57. 1987 Condo says:

    Airbags do not work if ignition is off. If ignition cuts out while car is in motion it is a problem. I was unaware of that fact until I did some research.

  58. nwnj says:

    JJ

    I’m as red blooded as they come, we own two American cars(one proudly built in Mexico), but let’s be honest, GM is hurting badly. The can cook the numbers any way they want, but the bottom line is their sales are falling.

  59. Fast Eddie says:

    ccb223 [59],

    So, I can get even more for my house than I originally thought?

  60. 1987 Condo says:
  61. Michael says:

    I’ve been bouncing back and forth. It’s not fun, but it’s all about growing as a person. I told you how empathetic I am. This is where my bouncing back and forth come from. I want to help, and then I realize that by helping, I am actually hurting them. Sort of like wanting to feed the wild animals to make their life easier, not realizing that you are setting them up for disaster by doing this. I don’t know, I just wish there was difinitive answer out there for what works the best. Unfortunately, that’s far from the case. I read so much and I get no where. I read both sides constantly, and both sides make damn good arguments. I wish there was an easy philosophy to understand and adopt, but that’s wishful thinking.

    Theo says:
    June 4, 2014 at 1:44 pm
    I think Michael is schizophrenic. He aquires, changes and abandons whole belief moral systems faster than you can drink a slurpie.

  62. Juice Box says:

    My GM is approaching 40k miles now. I have a recall for some minor stuff like wipers. Perhaps it is time to see if I can trade it in before it needs a new set of tires, a break service, tune up and other maintenance.

  63. jj says:

    A GM car at Pep Boys etc tires are super cheap and a tune up is not till 100K miles.

    Four new tires for instance on my Sable cost me 160 my BMW with four run flats like almost 10x that at dealer and Pep boys would not do run flats on a BMW I tried to get a quote.

    67.Juice Box says:
    June 4, 2014 at 3:02 pm
    My GM is approaching 40k miles now. I have a recall for some minor stuff like wipers. Perhaps it is time to see if I can trade it in before it needs a new set of tires, a break service, tune up and other maintenance.

  64. jj says:

    For Fun I will show you the amount of Cars sold in May 2014 by a few companies. GM sold the MOST cars of ANY car company in the US in May 2014. But look at its May 2014 vs some Car Companies that in tony parts of Jersey you see everywhere. GM Outsold Mercedes 10 to 1. Would nver guess that in Alpine NJ

    Month of May Cars sold by Company

    General Motors Corp. 284,694

    Mercedes-Benz 28,881

    BMW of North America Inc. 29,602

    Porsche Cars NA Inc. 4,609

    Subaru of America Inc. 44,170

  65. Juice Box says:

    I wonder if Weathford will show up to Seaside Heights too. And what is with the third wheel too? Weatherford should tell him to get lost.

    http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2014/06/bayonne_students_prepare_for_prom_steve_weatherford.html#incart_m-rpt-1

  66. Ragnar says:

    The troll has pulled this out of his bag of trick before. Pretends to be reasonable for a while to keep you reading, and then he’s ready for more insanity.

  67. Street Justice says:

    Poverty Up 30.5% Since LBJ Declared War on Poverty, For People 18 to 64

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/poverty-305-lbj-declared-war-poverty-people-18-64#.U49oBg2Z36w.twitter

    The percentage of 18- to 64-year olds who live below the poverty level has increased 30.5% since 1966, two years after Lyndon Johnson declared the War on Poverty, according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

    “We have declared unconditional war on poverty. Our objective is total victory. I believe that 30 years from now Americans will look back upon these 1960s as the time of the great American Breakthrough toward the victory of prosperity over poverty,” said then-President Lyndon Johnson in 1964.

    According to a House Budget Committee Report, the federal government spent $799 billion on 92 programs to combat poverty: $100 billion on food aid; $200 billion spent on cash aid; $90 billion on education and job training; $300 billion on health care; and $50 billion on housing, in fiscal year 2012 alone.

    According to the Census, there were 26,497,000, or 13.7% of 18- to 64-year olds, living below the poverty level in 2012. In 1966, the same age group reported 10.5% — 11,007,000 people out of 105,241,000 — living below the poverty level.

    This means that since 1966 the percentage of 18- to 64-year olds living in poverty has increased 30.5% — from 10.5% to 13.7%. The Census did not report data for this age group in years 1965 and 1964.

  68. Juice Box says:

    Fing deadbeats. I was perusing Craigslist for a used booster pump for my pool robot, since the motor on mine squeals like a pig about to get his nuts removed. I came across an ad of a deadbeat selling everything.

    Who sells a pool cover when their house is in foreclosure? The damm thing is there to keep the neighbors kids from drowning.

    http://jerseyshore.craigslist.org/grd/4501519284.html

  69. Juice Box says:

    re# 71 – sounds like PMS to me.

  70. Michael says:

    It’s tough. Compassion is blinding when it comes to economics. It leads you to believe that you think you are helping, when down the road this clearly is not the case. If we declared a war on poverty and it works, how come we still have poverty. It’s a losing cause.

    Ragnar says:
    June 4, 2014 at 3:21 pm
    The troll has pulled this out of his bag of trick before. Pretends to be reasonable for a while to keep you reading, and then he’s ready for more insanity.

  71. Libturd in the City says:

    Marketing is an extremely powerful tool. It causes a lot of people to value things with no real intrinsic value. In some extreme cases, it even makes people throw their ethics out of the window to perform heinous acts on other living things. Hipsters (ultraliberals) are heavily marketed to. They tend to have the most discretionary income available to waste on valueless products. IE, the Dyson Ball, Vitamixers and Cuisinart Counter Mixers, Prius’, cars designed for dirt roads and SUVs designed to drive on African plains for example.

  72. Bystander says:

    Don’t forget organic. As the baby approaches, it seems like everyday we get organic cotton clothes, sheets, towels, swaddling blankets from registry. To woman, organic= CARE. Powerful stuff..well played marketeers although I did gag when I saw a house listing with term “organically pleasing”.

  73. Michael says:

    Marketing will be the death of me. Reading sites like Bill Moyer do me no good. They have all these great stats and put forth a great argument. Sucks me in, but then I start to question the idea of poverty. I mean can we really solve poverty?

    Why do all these super smart economists support a lot of programs that are supposed to help the poor, but actually hurt them. Like krugman or picketty, these are two rediculously smart people. Why do they believe something has to be done about inequality. These guys are clearly smarter than me, why should I go against their well researched positions on inequality? I don’t know. I’m just trying to find my way to the right answer.

    Libturd in the City says:
    June 4, 2014 at 4:00 pm
    Marketing is an extremely powerful tool. It causes a lot of people to value things with no real intrinsic value. In some extreme cases, it even makes people throw their ethics out of the window to perform heinous acts on other living things. Hipsters (ultraliberals) are heavily marketed to. They tend to have the most discretionary income available to waste on valueless products. IE, the Dyson Ball, Vitamixers and Cuisinart Counter Mixers, Prius’, cars designed for dirt roads and SUVs designed to drive on African plains for example.

  74. Statler Waldorf says:

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/news/americas-most-fuel-efficient-new-car-is-not-a-toyota-prius

    America’s most fuel-efficient new car isn’t a Prius

    Mercedes-Benz’s new E250 Bluetec Sedan earns Toyota Prius-level numbers on the EPA’s highway fuel-economy test.

    It’s 1001 pounds heavier than the Toyota but feels as if every ounce of that went toward noise cancellation and luxury. And torque: The Mercedes is 2.7 seconds quicker to 60 mph, and it easily climbed mountain passes in top gear with the engine almost completely silent, while the Prius’s mooing four-banger was a screaming stress case. Although the fuel economy was effectively tied, the driving experience was anything but. So feel free to tell the Prius owner parked in the left lane that, from behind the wheel of a Mercedes, it is easy being green.

  75. chicagofinance says:

    Don’t casually dismiss such things if you have a newborn on the way. Sh!t such as VOC’s and off-gassing is pretty important. It isn’t so much that these issues have always been important, it is more that the potential for cut rate manufacturing and materials really opens the door for problems. You have to make sure that whatever you buy is not from anywhere in Asia/South Asia unless it monitored like a hawk. As an example, look at what happens to mental capacity when a person was exposed to too much lead as a youngster (i.e. Michael).

    Bystander says:
    June 4, 2014 at 4:19 pm
    Don’t forget organic. As the baby approaches, it seems like everyday we get organic cotton clothes, sheets, towels, swaddling blankets from registry. To woman, organic= CARE. Powerful stuff..well played marketeers although I did gag when I saw a house listing with term “organically pleasing”.

  76. juice (16)-

    Metaphorically, we are all junkies…each of us looking for our own personal meth@done.

  77. My style of junkie is preferable to yours, too.

  78. I’m glad I was taught the constant, abiding value of hatred.

  79. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    Clot sells my kind of meth@done. Imported from Scotland.

  80. Bystander says:

    Thanks, Chi. I agree. We are absolutely not buying anything that baby wears or sleeps on from Asia. Crib and mattress are American made. Trying to draw the line at $160 organic cotton diaper bag. Then again, it is on registry so someone wants to buy it then go for it. It is not being purchased by me if no sucker is found. This baby will not touch non-organic food for first 5 years. I’ve conceded this one. Michael? Sounds like he schroomed on one of those lecture buses at a Phish show and never came out of it. He may have had some coherent thoughts prior. Too bad.

  81. Ragnar says:

    JJ,
    Latest quarterly net incomes for a bunch of global carmakers:
    Volkswagen, $3.3bn
    Toyota $2.9bn
    BMW $2.0bn
    Hyundai $1.8bn
    Honda $1.7bn
    Daimler $1.4bn
    Nissan $1.1bn
    Ford $1.0bn
    Tata Motors $638mn
    Mazda $567mn
    Great Wall Motor $329mn
    Chongqing Changan $323mn
    Daihatsu $316mn
    Mahindra & Mahindra$266mn
    Koc Holdings (your favorite) $255mn
    Fuji Heavy (maker of Subaru) $243mn
    General Motors Co, $213mn
    Tesla Motors (-$50mn)

  82. A Home Buyer says:

    80, 85 – Off Gassing, VOCs

    I believe it was NPR a few months ago had a story on how the foam in baby mattresses may be the cause in the rise of SIDS in many Developed countries. If memory serves me, the current theory is that the mattress foam / material is a food source for bacteria and as the foam break downs or is decomposed naturally, it releases gasses which cause SIDS.

    No US manufacturer has confirmed or US study been performed, but Australia has not had a case of SIDS with infants who use certain mattresses or wrap their mattress to stop the off-gassing. Their study group was to the effect of 200,000 with not one infant death due to SIDS, much lower then the statistics should have allowed.

    …Or something to that effect.

  83. anon (the good one) says:

    when it comes to hatred Ragnar is clearly ahead of you

    Transfuse the Cadaver says:
    June 4, 2014 at 5:15 pm
    I’m glad I was taught the constant, abiding value of hatred.

  84. Phoenix says:

    79 Statler,
    Remember the difference in the price of gasoline vs diesel. Also the btu content of gasoline is 116k vs diesel 128k, so if the same amount in gallons is burned the efficiency is actually less.

  85. anon (the good one) says:

    @BillMoyersHQ: The Past Isn’t Past: The Economic Case for Reparations http://t.co/oUF5h59xND

    “This is the reality that often gets lost in our heated debate over whether America has truly moved beyond its racist past — the argument over whether or not we live today in a “post-racial society.” For most of our history, blacks have been deprived of the opportunity to build wealth — through both legal and illegal means, and often with a lot of violence. It wasn’t until the mid-1960s that African-Americans became full citizens of the United States.”

  86. anon (the good one) says:

    @ianbremmer: Oil Consumption Per Capita, Barrels Annually

    US 21.7
    China 2.7
    India 1.1
    #uhoh

    Phoenix says:
    June 4, 2014 at 6:25 pm
    79 Statler,
    Remember the difference in the price of gasoline vs diesel. Also the btu content of gasoline is 116k vs diesel 128k, so if the same amount in gallons is burned the efficiency is actually less.

  87. grim says:

    91 – Hate to tell you, but you don’t need much oil when you are living in caves or slums.

  88. Juice Box says:

    I been to a few third world places in my life the bus is the future when the dinosaur fuel runs low and gets to expensive.

  89. Juice Box says:

    #90 – Hey Anon please quantify the $ per person.

  90. Juice Box says:

    #82 – I prefer connoisseur.

  91. anon (the good one) says:

    let me look up the data. how many generations are there in a century? would you reckon at least of couple of centuries of slavery per family tree?

    Juice Box says:
    June 4, 2014 at 7:22 pm
    #90 – Hey Anon please quantify the $ per person.

  92. Juice Box says:

    Anon you can probably find a tweet somewhere. I like to hear a $ figure at least once to even begin to understand what you are copy + pasting about.

  93. anon (the good one) says:

    @NewsBreaker:
    UPDATE:
    Sao Paulo subway workers to strike a week from World Cup http://t.co/q3HwRyV9fq – @AFP

  94. anon (the good one) says:

    well, I found the tweet: click the link

    @BillMoyersHQ: The black-white wealth gap is a legacy of 100s of yrs of slavery & Jim Crow, writes @JoshuaHol http://t.co/r3MUDrhmlE

    Juice Box says:
    June 4, 2014 at 7:35 pm
    Anon you can probably find a tweet somewhere. I like to hear a $ figure at least once to even begin to understand what you are copy + pasting about.

  95. Juice Box says:

    I clicked your link. No real hard numbers there.

    How about we for the purpose of this debate propose 1 million cash payment per person descended from a slave in the US, but no further payments for future generations? Somewhere around 40 million people today. So 40 trillion. Does that sound about right?

  96. Ragnar says:

    My hatred of irrationality, injustice, and evil is unmatched.

  97. Juice Box says:

    Great job Media….

    There is a big difference between deserter and AWOL.

    http://news.yahoo.com/bergdahls-hometown-cancels-celebration-release-212136884.html

  98. World Cup will feature great games and massive logistical debacles. It will make the last Olympics look like a model of efficiency.

  99. ATEOTD, Brazil is just another Third World fever swamp whose developing nation makeup washed away a long time ago.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Question for the peanut gallery.

    Has anyone here joined nextdoor.com?

    It has Facebook vibe without family of course. In the word we live in today not too many neighborhood gatherings, I noticed it was mostly older crowd etc.

  101. Juice Box says:

    So much for Jersey. We must be missing something, even Yonkers ranks…

    http://livability.com/top-100-best-places-to-live

  102. Libturd at home says:

    Rochester and Reno in the top 10?

    Not even worth a flip to page 2.

  103. chicagofinance says:

    Don Zimmer < Vigoda

  104. Juice Box says:

    Now the EU bank is charging interest to hold your money. Think that will get people to invest in the stock market?

    Click here for the latest on the markets.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101733784

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