Jobs Day!

From Bloomberg:

The Jobs Report Probably Won’t Change the Fed’s Mind on Liftoff

For once, the upcoming jobs report may not be the most critical of all time.

Federal Reserve officials have signaled that an interest-rate increase is in play for their December meeting, with both markets and economists now anticipating that normalization will begin less than two weeks from now. That means the payrolls data will probably offer more information about the pace of tightening in the months ahead than on the timing of the first hike.

“It would have to be a very large surprise — both in November and potentially a downward revision to October — to really change the outlook enough for the Fed to stop and reconsider the hike in December,” said Laura Rosner, a U.S. economist at BNP Paribas in New York.

Payrolls probably climbed by about 200,000 last month following a 271,000 surge in October that was the biggest this year, according to the median forecast of a Bloomberg survey of economists. The unemployment rate is expected to hold at a seven-year low of 5 percent,.

While some slowdown from October is to be expected, economists are looking for confirmation that hiring remains solid after payroll gains decelerated sharply in August and September. Friday’s data will do a lot to clarify which trend prevails.

Payrolls growth would have to be severely disappointing — closer to 100,000 or less — for it to prevent the Fed from hiking, said Mark Vitner, a senior economist at Wells Fargo Securities LLC in Charlotte, North Carolina.

The signal from policy makers regarding an increase this month has been so clear that “to not do it would risk adding uncertainty to financial markets right at year-end,” he said. “That might do more harm to the economy than raising interest rates would.”

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155 Responses to Jobs Day!

  1. Juice Box says:

    Fire aim ready!

  2. Juice Box says:

    Drugs finally got Scott Weiland.

     Where ya going for tommorrow? / Where ya going with that mask I found? / And I feel, and I feel / When the dogs begin to smell her..

  3. grim says:

    Should I even bother reading? Is it still workplace violence?

  4. chicagofinance says:

    conversations kill…….

  5. The Great Pumpkin says:

    More taxes? The corporate tax rate is lower than it has ever been. They built their business under higher tax environments, yet flee when the taxes are at the lowest rate they have been in 40 years? Give me a break.

    leftwing says:
    December 4, 2015 at 1:37 am
    The companies and technologies of the future run from this country. The bedrock industry of this State, providing well paying jobs and attracting top talent, flees the State.

    But, hey, the good news……

    The hometown salted swine scrap company may add another shift. Woohoo! More taxes, more taxes, more taxes……

    http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2015/12/pork_roll_maker_to_expand_trenton_plant_doubling_p.html#incart_river_h

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “A furious debate rages between those wanting to cut taxes on U.S. corporations and those hoping to raise them. The two sides come armed with opposing and contradictory “facts.” Some claim U.S. corporate taxes rank highest in the developed world. Others argue the opposite. When we cut through the rhetoric, a clear but complex answer emerges: Corporate taxes should be increased for most companies—and decreased for a few. The tax structure needs to be repaired to eliminate bad incentives that threaten our economy.

    Those urging lower taxes are right to argue that our economy stagnates if taxes are too high. High taxes discourage investment and risk-taking. But how high is too high? Many economists agree that when tax rates soar above 70 percent, growth suffers. Cutting taxes at this level definitely stimulates growth. However, these same economists also agree that when tax rates dip below 30 percent, further cuts don’t boost the economy. Entrepreneurs and investors simply don’t respond to an additional incentive. They are already as strongly incented as they can possibly be.”

    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/04/04/the-truth-about-corporate-tax-rates

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    6- Lefty, open your eyes and stop defending companies like Pfizer. They are being greedy by doing these inversions.

    “American history supports these economists’ conclusions. The economy took off dramatically in the 1960s when top marginal rates were slashed from the 90 percent level. But when taxes were cut sharply from relatively modest levels early in President George W. Bush’s term, no growth resulted.

    The real issue lies in understanding the huge gap between the “nominal rate” (the list price) and the “real rate” (the tax rate that most companies actually pay.) These two rates diverge widely. The nominal federal tax rate on the largest corporations is now 35 percent. State taxes, on average, bump this to 39.2 percent. This nominal rate ranks as the highest among developed countries.

    [Read the U.S. News debate: Is Obama’s Corporate Tax Plan A Good Idea?]

    However, no major company really pays the nominal rate—just as no one walks into a car dealership expecting to pay sticker price. Big companies enjoy a huge buffet of credits, shelters, deductions, and other preferences that reduce their rate to an average of 13 percent. Many profitable companies pay no federal income tax at all. Regardless of our nominal rate, our real corporate tax rate is among the lowest. Further cuts cannot stimulate growth.

    Moreover, cutting corporate tax rates would create two new problems. First, further reductions in federal budgets would directly undermine America’s competitiveness. (After 20-plus years of tax cuts, there’s little “fat” left to excise.) For example, federal belt-tightening has led states to slash support for higher education. College tuition has skyrocketed, far outpacing family income. Today’s college students struggle to get the education they need to hold well-paying technical jobs, and many must take on massive debt to pay their tuition.

    [See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]

    The second problem: The corporate income tax does not affect all businesses equally. Large corporations pay much lower tax rates than small businesses, because they can exploit loopholes and establish offshore operations. However, small businesses provide more new private sector jobs, and function as the main employers in many parts of the country. Further, the tax code shields old industries at the expense of new more innovative sectors, and it protects industries that burden the rest of society. Why should we subsidize oil rather than renewable energy? Why should we subsidize corn syrup that promotes obesity and drives up healthcare costs?

    The problem with the corporate tax code is not what many think. Frankly, we can change the nominal tax rate to practically anything. It doesn’t matter since hardly any corporations pay the nominal rate. What matters is this: Bring up the real tax rate (what companies actually pay) to support needed investments in productivity and competitiveness. Stop penalizing small business. And, end the gimmicks and loopholes that encourage investment in damaging business practices and obsolete industries.”

  8. grim says:

    Intersting – Part of the motive?

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/friend-former-n-j-man-killed-in-san-bernardino-verbally-sparred-with-alleged-shooter-two-weeks-ago-1.1467142

    Stephens, who lives in Arizona, said she called Thalasinos on his cellphone two weeks ago as he argued with a co-worker whom he identified as Syed Farook. Authorities have said a man named Syed Rizwan Farook, who worked at the San Bernardino County Health Department with Thalasinos and other victims, was a gunman in Wednesday’s massacre, along with his wife.

    Stephens said that she heard Farook over the phone talking loudly two weeks ago, but that the tone of the argument seemed passionate rather than threatening. “I can’t get anywhere with him,” Thalasinos said, according to Stephens.

    The day before the shooting, Thalasinos, an outspoken conservative and strong proponent of Israel, had posted on his Facebook page that he received a threatening message from someone purporting to be from Ukraine and whose Facebook page included a photo of a man holding a gun and pointing it into the air. The message said, according to his post, that “you will die and never see Israel as country believe me never.” Thalasinos wrote that the sender appeared to believe he is Jewish.

  9. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Stop acting like our tax rates are so high. No one pays sticker price! So what are you advocating for, that they pay nothing in taxes?

    “However, no major company really pays the nominal rate—just as no one walks into a car dealership expecting to pay sticker price. Big companies enjoy a huge buffet of credits, shelters, deductions, and other preferences that reduce their rate to an average of 13 percent. Many profitable companies pay no federal income tax at all. Regardless of our nominal rate, our real corporate tax rate is among the lowest. Further cuts cannot stimulate growth.”

  10. 1987 Condo says:

    #8..saw that, I suggest they had bigger plans but figured they would handle a “personal” matter first. Good idea to keep politics and religion out of the office..I guess too late on a blog…

  11. 1987 Condo says:

    Jobs- I’ll guess 188k

  12. 1987 Condo says:

    Fed will raise if jobs break 100k…

  13. 1987 Condo says:

    Actual = 211k

  14. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They will raise no matter what. The economy is getting stronger by the day. With all the negative events the past month, stock market is doing well. That’s telling.

    1987 Condo says:
    December 4, 2015 at 8:24 am
    Fed will raise if jobs break 100k…

  15. grim says:

    UE flat at 5%
    Jobs up 211k vs 200k estimate
    Hourly wages up 0.2% – 2.3% in 12mo
    October revised up to 298k from 271k
    September revised up to 145k from 137k

    Very strong report

  16. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I think Santelli summed it up best: “If the Dow and the S&P [500] are both down 1% on the first day of the Fed meeting…they won’t raise.”

  17. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    At the pediatric dentist we take our kids to they have this little walk in kid’s cave with two entrances in the waiting room. It’s a little like kid-sized version of what you might see at a zoo or aquarium, just a walk into the dark, see a nocturnal animal, walk out the the other side type of deal. Except at the dentist office they have several iPads built into the wall inside so the kids can stand there and touch the glass like big kids to amuse themselves. I picture punkin’ hiding out in there all day, doing all his posting on his knees.

  18. D-FENS says:

    Ulster County Sheriff’s Office
    Government Website · 18,405 Likes · 21 hrs ·
    December 3, 2015
    ATTENTION LICENSED HANDGUN OWNERS
    In light of recent events that have occurred in the United States and around the world I want to encourage citizens of Ulster County who are licensed to carry a firearm to PLEASE DO SO.
    I urge you to responsibly take advantage of your legal right to carry a firearm. To ensure the safety of yourself and others, make sure you are comfortable and proficient with your weapon, and knowledgeable of the laws in New York State with regards to carrying a weapon and when it is legal to use it.
    I also want to remind all Police/Peace Officers both active duty and retired to please carry a weapon whenever you leave your house. We are the thin blue line that is entrusted in keeping this country safe, and we must be prepared to act at any given moment.
    Thank you,
    Paul J. Van Blarcum
    Ulster County Sheriff

  19. anon (the good one) says:

    very strong report. very strong economy. strong dollar

    strong President

    grim says:
    December 4, 2015 at 8:36 am
    UE flat at 5%
    Jobs up 211k vs 200k estimate
    Hourly wages up 0.2% – 2.3% in 12mo
    October revised up to 298k from 271k
    September revised up to 145k from 137k

    Very strong report

  20. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [10] condo

    I think that was a bonus, not a motivation. The event was literally gift-wrapped for them. If you wanted to kill a lot of people quickly, in an area with no unknown threats, and the ability to make a quick getaway, then this made sense.

    It’s as if they were brainstorming around their table “hmm, what can we hit to make our statement? Where will there be a lot of people in one place? What is an easy target?” and he says “I’ve got it!”

  21. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [19] anon – if you spoke in the same parlance as your emperor you would say, “It’s possible he’s a strong president, we just don’t know yet.”

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, that’s the bottom line. Why are people fighting it. We are seeing a light at the end of the tunnel and they want to still spin it in a negative way. The great pumpkin will come and I can’t wait.

    anon (the good one) says:
    December 4, 2015 at 9:01 am
    very strong report. very strong economy. strong dollar

    strong President

    grim says:
    December 4, 2015 at 8:36 am
    UE flat at 5%
    Jobs up 211k vs 200k estimate
    Hourly wages up 0.2% – 2.3% in 12mo
    October revised up to 298k from 271k
    September revised up to 145k from 137k

    Very strong report

  23. Ottoman says:

    Unless you’re black. Then again we kill blacks who just carry knives, cigarettes, or skittles so whatevs.

    Ulster County Sheriff’s Office
    Government Website · 18,405 Likes · 21 hrs ·
    December 3, 2015
    ATTENTION LICENSED HANDGUN OWNERS
    In light of recent events that have occurred in the United States and around the world I want to encourage citizens of Ulster County who are licensed to carry a firearm to PLEASE DO SO.
    I urge you to responsibly take advantage of your legal right to carry a firearm. To ensure the safety of yourself and others, make sure you are comfortable and proficient with your weapon, and knowledgeable of the laws in New York State with regards to carrying a weapon and when it is legal to use it.
    I also want to remind all Police/Peace Officers both active duty and retired to please carry a weapon whenever you leave your house. We are the thin blue line that is entrusted in keeping this country safe, and we must be prepared to act at any given moment.
    Thank you,
    Paul J. Van Blarcum
    Ulster County Sheriff

  24. anon (the good one) says:

    it is a very strong economy. you guys don’t like it, but it is a fact

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    December 4, 2015 at 9:12 am
    [19] anon – if you spoke in the same parlance as your emperor you would say, “It’s possible he’s a strong president, we just don’t know yet.”

  25. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [10 & 20] He may have been so bat-sh1t crazy that he couldn’t find a jihadi club that wanted him as a member. It’s also possible he was recruited by Al-Qaeda 4 years ago (when he bought the guns) when they were trying to recruit US citizens in good standing. He may have gotten frustrated and went rogue when Al-Qaeda became the jihadi equivalent of MySpace.

    He’s still a Muslim Terrorist no matter how you slice it.

  26. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    It would be telling to find out over what period and with what funds he amassed his ammo. His salary was around $50-$60K. Of course, he was a health inspector so there may be some unreported cash income on top of that. I wonder if he required a much larger vig from any restaurants serving pork.

  27. leftwing says:

    Pumps, you can post and link to whatever theory you want.

    The facts on the ground say otherwise – companies are fleeing the US.

    No matter how much your sources try to state otherwise, or how it shouldn’t happen, or contort numbers in attempts to prove some theory of efficient taxation the facts on the ground say otherwise.

    Major corporates do not change their domicile, headquarters, and incorporation lightly. Ask the attorneys on the board here. They most certainly do not undertake major M&A for short term financial engineering. Major corporates undertake M&A based on long term strategic considerations.

    And some of the largest and most respectable companies in the world are looking at the US and deciding the best long term strategic option is to GTFO.

    Analogize to whatever situation you want – marriage, sports club, private school, major customer relationship. You have a very attractive party (Pfizer) in a long term relationship looking at the partner (US) and walking out the door saying “it is not working for me”.

    You have two response options. Scream, yell, throw papers at them trying to prove their view wrong, try to lock door to prevent them from leaving, and when that all fails blame them. Or you can sit down and say “what have we done that makes you want to leave so badly” and try to change to address their concerns.

    Which is the response that has the highest likelihood of success? Which response is the US pursuing?

  28. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [23] Stool Sample – I had no idea you were part of a black crew.

    Unless you’re black. Then again we kill blacks who just carry knives, cigarettes, or skittles so whatevs.

  29. grim says:

    Otto – Any comments on ISIS oil in Turkey?

  30. Tool [24];

    it is a very strong economy. you guys don’t like it, but it is a fact

    Keep applying your Barry-@$$ lip gloss. Someone in power might give you a cookie.

    Five years in, recovery still underwhelms compared with previous ones

  31. grim says:

    Fix is easy, tax consumption not income or assets. Of course, the democrats would consider that the greatest crime of all.

  32. Fast Eddie says:

    it is a very strong economy. you guys don’t like it, but it is a fact

    Why is the FED rate at 0%?

  33. The utter confusion that went through Otto’s pea brain must have been delicious to watch.

    Read… read… misunderstand…read again… continue to misunderstand…struggle to compose a reaction…fail… blurt out “RACISM!”… comforting feeling of warmth bathes him, as if he just peed himself again…wait, he did just pee himself again.

  34. grim says:

    Only for 2 more weeks, Santa is bringing an early present.

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    I wonder how many of you who post here would show up at a get together?

  36. grim says:

    Probably 6

  37. relo says:

    2: I’m not dead and I’m not for sale. Damn.

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Because they are scumbags. Once they flee the U.S. to avoid taxes, but continue to use American resources, they have become a parasite to our country. Shut them out. You can leave, but you can’t participate in our market then. Fair is fair. It’s amazing how you defend this bull crap. You are probably one of the few people in America defending the Pfizer move. I can’t comprehend your thought process.

    “The facts on the ground say otherwise – companies are fleeing the US.”

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It won’t be for much longer. FACE THE FACTS.

    Fast Eddie says:
    December 4, 2015 at 9:33 am
    it is a very strong economy. you guys don’t like it, but it is a fact

    Why is the FED rate at 0%?

  40. Ragnar says:

    I was watching Bloomberg TV this morning but seeing that snake oil salesman Alan Krueger distorting all issues made me want to puke. Why do they invite Obama’s catamite to comment on economic news? Because Bloomberg’s “journalists” are increasingly being sourced from the NY Times. So I had to flip channels to hold down my breakfast.

  41. leftwing says:

    18. D-FENS
    I have a real soft spot for upstate NY. A level of in born character that notwithstanding very hard economic circumstances provides the confidence to consistently flip the establishment the bird for the better part of two centuries.

    25. Ex
    Quote of the week. You owe me a keyboard.

    “when Al-Qaeda became the jihadi equivalent of MySpace”

  42. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [31] grim – That’s been my dream for a long, long time. While you’re at it, include auto insurance premiums in the price per gallon of gasoline and diesel. No uninsured drivers and insurance is proportional to miles driven and size of vehicle. Watch how efficient vehicles and public transportation would get after that move.

    Fix is easy, tax consumption not income or assets.

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I provided an unbiased source. The guy was breaking down both sides of the argument. You don’t like facts? Read what I posted and tell me one got damn reason why we should lower taxes more? It will be counter productive. You claim that taxes are the highest in the world, but that’s just on paper. Who the hell pays the full rate? Show me one one piece of evidence for a corporation paying the full rate. Read the unbiased article that I posted and prove it wrong.

    “No matter how much your sources try to state otherwise, or how it shouldn’t happen, or contort numbers in attempts to prove some theory of efficient taxation the facts on the ground say otherwise.”

  44. leftwing says:

    38. Pumps, very responsive (heading to bathroom to debate mirror…)

  45. leftwing says:

    43. Pumps, again, please stay on point.

    One can produce a paper proving anything, especially in economics (assume a….).

    The facts on the ground say otherwise. These companies don’t like it here. The costs they see associated with continuing to be domiciled here outweigh the benefits to such a degree they are willing (scratch that, seeking) to re-domicile.

    Your guy can write reams, the fact is they are *leaving*. Just make sure your guy puts down his pen long enough to close the door behind the last company out, as he is mid-sentence arguing why it *shouldn’t* happen.

  46. Fabius Maximus says:

    #27 left

    Any problem with locking the door behind them. Halliburton moves to the UAE, don’t allow them to bit on Gvmt contracts. Being shut out of the third largest market, would resolve that issue very quickly.

  47. Fabius Maximus says:

    Fast Eddie,

    The last GTG with any real turnout was that bar in Glen Ridge about 4 years ago.

  48. Fast Eddie says:

    Fab Max,

    I was being facetious, I know very few will show up. I also surmise that the multiple handles are one in the same person.

  49. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joyce (previous thread)

    Can you get a little more specific that “two days ago”

  50. Fabius Maximus says:

    A lot of Ulster County is public sector, health care and education. So it will be Carr, just not to work.

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I am staying on point. What are you talking about? I produced an article based on FACTS. It was an unbiased source based on facts and you blow it off. Who is talking to the mirror here, me or you?

    You are totally missing the point on why they are leaving. They are not leaving because they are not profitable under the current tax code, they are leaving because they are greedy bastards and want to pay nothing in taxes. What don’t you understand?

    leftwing says:
    December 4, 2015 at 9:53 am
    43. Pumps, again, please stay on point.

    One can produce a paper proving anything, especially in economics (assume a….).

    The facts on the ground say otherwise. These companies don’t like it here. The costs they see associated with continuing to be domiciled here outweigh the benefits to such a degree they are willing (scratch that, seeking) to re-domicile.

    Your guy can write reams, the fact is they are *leaving*. Just make sure your guy puts down his pen long enough to close the door behind the last company out, as he is mid-sentence arguing why it *shouldn’t* happen.

  52. grim says:

    The gtg’s at loop lounge were my favorites. chi missed out, it was depeche mode night.

  53. leftwing says:

    51. I’m the one going to argue with the mirror, gladly. So you are at least admitting now the US has an unfavorable corporate tax code?

    46. No problem with that Fabs. Just understand that there will likely be a downward spiral of protectionism. The US, as one of the largest economies and one of the more self sufficient, will come out ahead of others but will still bruised and battered. May be in everyone’s self interest to avoid the fight and just address the corporate’s concerns rather than screaming invective (yeah, you pumps and your ilk) and erecting fences.

    These companies are your star athletes, your smartest students, your best customers walking out the door saying “I can’t take it anymore” and your response is “yeah, fcuk you, leave, I’m right”.

    I’ve generally found that doesn’t work.

    You’re the injured party. You’re the one that wants them, not them you. Make yourself an attractive place to be or STFU.

  54. D-FENS says:

    Would it mean more to you if a black man said it?

    Detroit Police Chief: Citizens Carrying Guns Makes Detroit Safer From Terrorist Attacks

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/01/detroit-police-chief-citizens-carrying-guns-makes-detroit-safer-from-terrorist-attacks/

    Ottoman says:
    December 4, 2015 at 9:14 am
    Unless you’re black. Then again we kill blacks who just carry knives, cigarettes, or skittles so whatevs.

    Ulster County Sheriff’s Office
    Government Website · 18,405 Likes · 21 hrs ·
    December 3, 2015

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Holy crap, because they pay on avg 13% in corporate taxes, it’s unfavorable, because they actually have to pay something? They pay too little as is, and you are here stating that they pay too much.

    leftwing says:
    December 4, 2015 at 10:32 am
    51. I’m the one going to argue with the mirror, gladly. So you are at least admitting now the US has an unfavorable corporate tax code?

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lefty, please read this and explain to me how you can maintain your current position. Show me how the facts presented here are wrong. PLEASE, I repeat, PLEASE don’t use corporations leaving for tax havens that are barely legal or sustainable long term as justification for why we should lower corporate taxes even more.

    “Moreover, cutting corporate tax rates would create two new problems. First, further reductions in federal budgets would directly undermine America’s competitiveness. (After 20-plus years of tax cuts, there’s little “fat” left to excise.) For example, federal belt-tightening has led states to slash support for higher education. College tuition has skyrocketed, far outpacing family income. Today’s college students struggle to get the education they need to hold well-paying technical jobs, and many must take on massive debt to pay their tuition.

    [See a collection of political cartoons on the budget and deficit.]

    The second problem: The corporate income tax does not affect all businesses equally. Large corporations pay much lower tax rates than small businesses, because they can exploit loopholes and establish offshore operations. However, small businesses provide more new private sector jobs, and function as the main employers in many parts of the country. Further, the tax code shields old industries at the expense of new more innovative sectors, and it protects industries that burden the rest of society. Why should we subsidize oil rather than renewable energy? Why should we subsidize corn syrup that promotes obesity and drives up healthcare costs?

    The problem with the corporate tax code is not what many think. Frankly, we can change the nominal tax rate to practically anything. It doesn’t matter since hardly any corporations pay the nominal rate. What matters is this: Bring up the real tax rate (what companies actually pay) to support needed investments in productivity and competitiveness. Stop penalizing small business. And, end the gimmicks and loopholes that encourage investment in damaging business practices and obsolete industries.””

  57. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [46] Rory

    We already do that, just not in a way that is overtly protectionist. We use laws (Jones, Davis-Bacon, Exon-Florio come to mind) and regulations (DFAR and FAR) to accomiah this at a certain level.

    Part of the problem is our treaties, both trade and tax. And I won’t even get into constitutional impediments as you rarely get to that line of defense. It’s an easy thing to say “ban them all” but harder to implement.

  58. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Accomplish. Autocorrect and a tiny screen. Bah

  59. leftwing says:

    55. Again, pumper, on point.

    Not about feelings, beliefs, or what others say. (You really are my ex-wife).

    Does the US have an unfavorable corporate tax structure or not?

  60. D-FENS says:

    @cnnbrk: Officials: Female #SanBernardino attacker pledged allegiance to ISIS’ leader in a Facebook post during the attack. https://t.co/C2ucieh6tL

  61. leftwing says:

    56.

    Pumps, an anology:

    We are talking about the weather. You are flipping channels around. CBS2 says partly sunny, Fox5 says overcast chance of rain, and ABC says precip for sure but later in the day. You listen intently to all, where the fronts are coming from, what the credentials of the meteorologists are.

    You conclude based on all the arguments you’ve heard it is partly cloudly.

    Turn off the TV, open the fcuking drapes, and look outside. It’s pouring.

  62. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The mother suspected of carrying out the San Bernardino massacre with her husband posted a statement of support on Facebook for the leader of ISIS, law enforcement sources told NBC News.

    Tashfeen Malik posted the message about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi “just before the attack,” one official familiar with the issue said.

    Investigators are looking into whether she was the radicalizing influence in the life of her husband, Syed Rizwan Farook.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/tashfeen-malik-mother-san-bernardino-massacre-pledged-allegiance-isis-leader-n474246

  63. Grim says:

    Turns out the sexist who said the wife could never be more than a subservient pawn was wrong.

  64. D-FENS says:

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2015/12/4/atf-says-weapons-used-in-san-bernardino-shooting-were-illegal-in-california

    Another reason the guns in question are important is that the left and its media handmaidens swiftly mobilized to beat the gun control drum…even before the shooters were permanently put out of business.

    The media proudly reports that the firearms were purchased legally. They are trying to create the narrative that the current gun laws allowed this to happen. They want you to know: “Hey, this was all legally done. We need more laws to stop this from happening again.”

    But not so fast. It may be true that these guns were purchased legally, but they were not used legally and in fact, they were modified in violation of the California firearms laws, says the ATF.

    While they were originally sold legally, with magazine locking devices commonly known as bullet buttons, the rifles were subsequently altered in different ways to make them more powerful, according to Meredith Davis, a special agent with the ATF.
    The Smith & Wesson rifle was changed in an attempt to enable it fire in fully automatic mode, while the DPMS weapon was modified to use a large-capacity magazine, she said.

    Those alterations made the weapons unlawful under California’s ban on assault weapons, which bans guns with magazines that can detach for quick reloading.

    The state legally allows the sale and ownership of assault weapons that have fixed magazines.

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You realize that you are doing the exact thing that you are accusing me of?

    Come on, be reasonable here. The tax rate can’t go any lower, we can’t support the govt on it, yet here you are advocating that we need to somehow magically lower taxes even lower than they already are.

    The majority of our taxes go to the military. Take away the military and the govt can lower taxes and at the same time pay off the debt. Does Ireland have to pay the cost of protecting the world economies with their military? I didn’t think so. So how about we pass on the cost of that protection to these corporations that flee to tax havens. Why should the workers of America be left with the bill for the military and not share in the profits that globalized businesses receive from it?

    leftwing says:
    December 4, 2015 at 10:49 am
    56.

    Pumps, an anology:

    We are talking about the weather. You are flipping channels around. CBS2 says partly sunny, Fox5 says overcast chance of rain, and ABC says precip for sure but later in the day. You listen intently to all, where the fronts are coming from, what the credentials of the meteorologists are.

    You conclude based on all the arguments you’ve heard it is partly cloudly.

    Turn off the TV, open the fcuking drapes, and look outside. It’s pouring.

  66. Libturd at home says:

    So many mass shootings under President Obama.

    Weak president.

    Running out of time to close Gitmo.

  67. anon (the good one) says:

    you talkin about leftwing’s exwife?

    Grim says:
    December 4, 2015 at 10:56 am
    Turns out the sexist who said the wife could never be more than a subservient pawn was wrong

  68. 1987 Condo says:

    #62..how about the CIA/FBI set up a phising or mock ISIS website and have a “pledge” support section…then go follow up on those folks….

  69. 1987 Condo says:

    that 20/20 pedophile entrapment guy can try it too

  70. Fabius Maximus says:

    #53 Left

    What’s wrong with a little protectionism. If we are in a race to bottom anyway, anything that slows the pace should be looked as a positive.

  71. leftwing says:

    65. I didn’t say get into a bidding war on tax rates. I said sit down and reasonably engage an important constituency’s legitimate concerns. As opposed to the current Administration throwing invective (“unpatriotic!”) and trying to coerce enacting new law.

    “The majority of our taxes go to the military. Take away the military and the govt can lower taxes and at the same time pay off the debt. Does Ireland have to pay the cost of protecting the world economies with their military?”

    No, they don’t. And neither should we. Seriously. There is absolutely no reason now for the US to be the world’s policeman.

    Historically speaking – millennia – very few empires had large standing armies. They are super expensive on two fronts. They require massive amounts of materiel and basic resources. Second, while making these demands on an economy they remove the most productive workers (young males) from that economy. Basically, they take what ought to be among the most productive members of society and make them dependent on what’s left of that society while imposing additional materiel and outpost costs.

    Mercenary used to be a respectable profession prior to the recent advent of patriot nationalism. If a power needed an army it rented one, accomplished the immediate mission (or not), paid the troops for that specific task, and they went home.

    I don’t know how you draw a line from US military spending to a corporate obligation. The better line is the US military to other countries. I have long been a proponent of the US charging other countries for a portion of our GDP dedicated to military spending as they are the free riding beneficiaries of that spending. We have been the world’s (unpaid) mercenary force for far too long.

  72. Eddie [35]

    I wonder how many of you who post here would show up at a get together?

    I’ve attended two and organized one. Met yourself, Lib, Nom, Fabu (props for coming out, brother!); Jill opened her (new!) home for one; met others who escape my memory at the moment. I’m on the periphery of the “area”. If I thought five would show, I’d host another.

  73. Eddie [48];

    I was being facetious, I know very few will show up. I also surmise that the multiple handles are one in the same person.

    I’d love to meet a few of the multiple personalities of Gourd. I’d even let each one of them count towards my threshold five.

  74. Fabius Maximus says:

    #63 grim

    Did not say that. I said she could be that as a counterpoint to your J1had Jane. I said you could be right, but the information is too fluid to definitively say. His radical connections are now down to “scant contact”. Even here they are saying the FB was not in her name.
    That said are you downgrading J1had John to Cuckold Khan?

  75. leftwing says:

    Fabs, no problem with protectionism.

    Just realize that although the US may improve its relative position to other countries, in the absolute the citizenry’s lives will be worse off.

    Also, if one is to go down that road I would do it soon. As value moves from production (fixed and protectable) to technology (click and easily moved across borders) the relative benefit to the US of enacting protections decreases.

  76. Libturd at home says:

    I attended the Grasshopper/the crappy Irish place in Clifton/The Cigar bar/Jill’s (which was awesome) and the Fitz in Glen Ridge. Were there any I missed?

    The first GTG at the Grasshopper was really fun. If I recall, ChiFi told me I was crazy to keep my CMG. I think split adjusted it was around 100. It hit 750 this year. Of course, I last owned it around 400.

  77. leftwing says:

    67. Nice try anon. But it was the seven years of addiction with two young children and multiple rehab facilities that blew the doors off that marriage, not my sparkling personality.

  78. Ben says:

    I was always amazed that Scott Weiland managed to last this long given his history. He was a great vocalist when he was in STP. His live performances really fell off in the 2000s.

  79. Lib [66];

    OBL said it was America’s image as the “Weak Horse” image that inspired him to attack. Do we look stronger or weaker than we did in 2008? Trouble in Syria… anyone see a red line anywhere? To take the podium in Paris to declare that mass shootings only happen in America, and global warming is the biggest threat to the nation.

    I used to think that no president, no matter how bad, could do terminal damage to the country in 8 short years. Now I’m not so sure.

  80. Ragnar says:

    Moose,
    Don’t blame Obama. He’s just a weak reflection of PC/Ivy/multi-culti left wing thought, emphasizing collectivist-altruist premises. Blame the American people who increasingly accept that in their thinking and effect it in their voting.
    There are tens of thousands of politicians with the same basic belief systems ready to step in Obama’s space in the polling booth.

  81. Fast Eddie says:

    I used to think that no president, no matter how bad, could do terminal damage to the country in 8 short years. Now I’m not so sure.

    I knew what we had from the moment he proclaimed a beer summit. Actually I knew it beforehand but I was hoping for anything positive considering the muppet lemmings followed each other off a cliff while wett1ng themselves. If you listen to speeches by Kennedy and Reagan and then listen to this f.ucking mess called the president, then you know why this country is in such disarray. Like I’ve said many times recently, I weep for what we have become as a nation. We desperately need a leader.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Stocks feel urge to surge as rate hike seems set

    http://usat.ly/1QjNUw8

  83. Fabius Maximus says:

    #73 left

    I will place myself in a position to fill a void when the doors close.
    There will be demand for physical product. Opportunities will open up.

  84. grim says:

    Did not say that. I said she could be that as a counterpoint to your J1had Jane.

    You are a misogynist, I am not. I feel that female jihadists can be equally as effective as male jihadists, perhaps even more so.

  85. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [84] eddie

    “I knew what we had from the moment he proclaimed a beer summit. ”

    I remember hearing live the quote that led to the Beer Summit. I was on the McCarter Highway, listening to the radio when I heard his O-ness say that the Cambridge Police “acted stupidly”.

    I yelled something out loud to the effect of “Oh man, did you just step in it with both feet.”

  86. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [76] lib

    Kilkenny’s (?) in Cranford. You, moose, and I forget who else. A few others came but could not locate us.

  87. The Great Pumpkin says:

    71- Thanks for being reasonable. I agree with most of what you said, except for the denial of the fact that the majority of our tax dollars go to the military. Check out the second graph on this link. The military costs a lot of money.

    https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

    That’s a great question that you bring up, why should the U.S. be responsible for all the costs that comes with policing this world. It’s pretty crazy. Don’t get me wrong, I know if we didn’t have a strong military, there will be major consequences. At the same time, why should the American taxpayer be responsible for all the costs?

    Using Ireland, or some small Island tax haven, as an example; why should they be able to offer these low rates when they don’t pick up the cost of the military. They have artificially low costs due the U.S. picking up the tab. If that corporation uses these locations as a tax shelter, they are cutting off money to the military and forcing the American people to have cuts to their programs so that they can maintain the military spending. How is that fair? It’s no way in hell a viable competition because it’s unfair from the start. This needs to be addressed. There is no such thing as a free ride, and right now these tax havens are getting free ride at the expense of the American tax payer.

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup, exactly. It’s your loss. It’s like China, if they let you into their market, you better not screw them over, or they will take it away. Why do we allow our taxpayers to be screwed for some corporation that is shipping jobs overseas? Where are we benefiting in this relationship? Both sides are supposed to benefit, not one.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    December 4, 2015 at 12:07 pm
    #73 left

    I will place myself in a position to fill a void when the doors close.
    There will be demand for physical product. Opportunities will open up.

  89. anon (the good one) says:

    what a disaster

    @nytimes
    The NYT review of David Mamet’s play “China Doll,” starring Al Pacino

  90. leftwing says:

    Fabs

    “I will place myself in a position to fill a void when the doors close.
    There will be demand for physical product. Opportunities will open up”

    Disruptions are, well, disruptive to the many and entrenched but do represent great opportunities.

    Careful, you are very close to crossing the line to our side. Shortly you will be an unpatriotic, tax dodgin’, baby slappin’ capitalist.

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    91- shipping jobs and shipping their tax payments to another country. Why the hell do we let them conduct business in our market? Lock em out, and let some other individual pick up the pieces and profit, that will have America in their best interest instead of taking advantage of the taxpayer and our country.

  92. leftwing says:

    81. Ouch. More likely suicide.

  93. joyce says:

    Look up the definition of the word “majority” and then perhaps don’t skip the first chart next time.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 4, 2015 at 12:35 pm
    71- Thanks for being reasonable. I agree with most of what you said, except for the denial of the fact that the majority of our tax dollars go to the military. Check out the second graph on this link. The military costs a lot of money.

  94. Gourd [90];

    Check out the second graph on this link.

    The second graph is a blow-up of the 1/4 size piece of the first graph. So military is 1/2 of 1/4. Since leftists are math-challenged (otherwise they couldn’t promote left-wing redistribution with a straight face), i’ll help you out: that’s 1/8th, or 12.5%.

    The rest of the first graph, welfare, food stamps, social security — that’s about 70%.

    Go back to middle school.

  95. joyce says:

    government jobs +473,000 jobs
    private enterprise -309,000
    http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

  96. anon (the good one) says:

    economy’s ON FIRE

    @recode
    Amazon buys thousands of truck trailers to make sure you get packages on time on.recode.net by @DelRey

  97. anon (the good one) says:

    sizzzzzzzling

    @markets
    Dow is up +235 points
    bloomberg.com/news

  98. NJT says:

    I worked at Pfizer, for a year. My job (Senior Software QA Engineer) and everyone else’s in my dept. was offshored. Once again the severance package was nice but…

    Happy to be out of IT. Did provide a nice paycheck for 25 years, though.

    Hey, try getting a good paying, perm. IT job as a 50+ white American male (no matter what your skills). There are none – for you.

    Don’t fight the tide, ride the waves. – Everyone needs a place to live and if crossing a river has to pay a toll (OK, OK there are a few free bridges between NJ and PA).

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m sorry, I made a mistake. I’m a human being. So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    3.56 trillion in total spent

    986 billion to medicaid.
    895 billion to social security.
    598 billion to the military (I would think this number is even higher, I bet they play tricks with the books)

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Food assistance 104 billion
    Unemployment 36 billion.

    That’s from a 3.56 trillion dollar budget. These programs don’t really take much of the pie.

    Anon E. Møøse, Who never bit anyone’s sister says:
    December 4, 2015 at 12:55 pm
    Gourd [90];

    Check out the second graph on this link.

    The second graph is a blow-up of the 1/4 size piece of the first graph. So military is 1/2 of 1/4. Since leftists are math-challenged (otherwise they couldn’t promote left-wing redistribution with a straight face), i’ll help you out: that’s 1/8th, or 12.5%.

    The rest of the first graph, welfare, food stamps, social security — that’s about 70%.

    Go back to middle school.

  101. Gourd [102];

    So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    That’s like saying that me and Eli Manning are collectively responsible for most of the Giants’ touchdowns. Welfare state “spreading the wealth around” is 5 times bigger than all military.

  102. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Anon E. Møøse, Who never bit anyone’s sister says:
    December 4, 2015 at 1:40 pm
    600 billion goes to the military. That is tax money we will never ever get back. At least social security and the other stuff go back to the taxpayer. Who is benefiting from the 600 billion in military spending. And let’s not act like that number isn’t insane. How much of that money is dumped into other countries?

    Gourd [102];

    So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    That’s like saying that me and Eli Manning are collectively responsible for most of the Giants’ touchdowns. Welfare state “spreading the wealth around” is 5 times bigger than all military.

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    600 billion goes to the military. That is tax money we will never ever get back. At least social security and the other stuff go back to the taxpayer. Who is benefiting from the 600 billion in military spending. And let’s not act like that number isn’t insane. How much of that money is dumped into other countries?

    Anon E. Møøse, Who never bit anyone’s sister says:
    December 4, 2015 at 1:40 pm
    Gourd [102];

    So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    That’s like saying that me and Eli Manning are collectively responsible for most of the Giants’ touchdowns. Welfare state “spreading the wealth around” is 5 times bigger than all military.

  104. Splat Mofo says:

    Gary (84)-

    Too bad the leader we yearn for may turn out to be a RE huckster-turned-game-show host.

    “I knew what we had from the moment he proclaimed a beer summit. Actually I knew it but I was hoping for anything positive considering the muppet lemmings followed each other off a cliff while wett1ng themselves. If you listen to speeches by Kennedy and Reagan and then listen to this f.ucking mess called the president, then you know why this country is in such disarray. Like I’ve said many times recently, I weep for what we have become as a nation. We desperately need a leader.”

  105. Trapper Dan says:

    Gotta love the free for all at the crime scene in Redlands. Way to go FBI, landlord let in a gaggle of reporters to the apartment.

    CNN had one of their “law enforcement analysts” saying he has chills down his spine from watching this and how it fails Detective 101. There’s no evidence of fingerprint dust and now there are tons of fingerprints in there from reporters. They also haven’t gone through shredded documents to see what was shredded. Holy cow…

  106. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “We were all humans until, race disconnected us, religion separated us, politics divided us, and wealth classified us.”

  107. anon (the good one) says:

    so most of our taxes are social security & obamacare for old farts.

    and yet these old farts don’t want kids to get any social benefits

    Fukcing bastards!

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 4, 2015 at 1:30 pm
    I’m sorry, I made a mistake. I’m a human being. So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    3.56 trillion in total spent

    986 billion to medicaid.
    895 billion to social security.
    598 billion to the military (I would think this number is even higher, I bet they play tricks with the books)

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Great pumpkin is coming!!

    “One of the two primary indicators the Fed focuses on is the health of the U.S. employment market, as well as the outlook for inflation. Well, a blowout jobs report in October, when the economy created 271,000 new jobs, pushed the odds of a rate hike at the Fed’s December meeting to roughly 75%.

    Even before Friday’s jobs report, Wall Street was pretty much convinced the Fed would announce the start the rate liftoff on Dec. 16.

    Wall Street is also be eyeing wage growth, as signs of workers earning more is a signal of strength and often presages a rise in inflation, which the Fed is hoping for”

  109. D-FENS says:

    Misogynistic?

    Orange police detective denies female applicant a permit to purchase a firearm in NJ because of her gender and size.

    Video

    http://www.njtvonline.org/news/video/second-amendment-society-claims-police-departments-delaying-and-denying-handgun-permits/

    “I had a female in here. She’s every bit of 5-foot and 80 pounds.” In a hidden-camera recording made by the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, an Orange Police Detective Sergeant appears to explain how he denied a handgun purchase permit to an applicant not based on New Jersey law but on the applicant’s size and gender. “I’m not going to say anyone can’t take a gun from me or, or you know. But, I’m just saying and I told her I’m going to be completely honest with you. In my opinion, I said, if I saw you and I saw you with a gun, especially here in Essex County, and the people we have here in this county. Um, I said yeah I’d be concerned with you having a firearm.”

  110. Essex says:

    Basically most people trend up earnings -wise to 50, so if you can have a twenty-five year run in any field you have something to celebrate.

  111. Essex says:

    101. IT. With trends as they are and new technologies anyone able to handle 25 years in most places have accomplished something . Try riding the tech wave as a vendor. That is seat of the pants.

  112. 1987 Condo says:

    Market up 385 pts, 2.2%, does that cover the 1% drop Santelli was worried about?

  113. D-FENS says:

    What the fcuk

    Cable News Is Going Nuts Rummaging Around Inside the San Bernardino Shooters’ Apartment

    http://gawker.com/msnbc-reporter-rifles-through-san-bernardino-shooters-a-1746220523

  114. Libturd at home says:

    “Who is benefiting from the 600 billion in military spending.”

    We are. It sure helps when we sell something overseas due to the strength of our currency. Or every time a foreign country buys our debt. We could be like India and cut it down to 2.2 from 3%, but look how well that is working for them.

    I know my argument is completely devoid of any cause and effect relationship, but so is nearly every single point argued here by the cheerleaders here and Pumpkin.

  115. grim says:

    Was there no notice posted? Crime scene tape? Padlocks?

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3.6 trillion budget and 2.5 trillion go to these 3 programs. They won’t even give jobs to the youth, never mind a few social services. It’s funny how people get upset about unemployment or some other bs, but don’t realize that basically almost the majority of the budget goes to these 3 programs and to interest on the debt that was created from politicians like bush/Reagan, who cut taxes and increased spending.

    anon (the good one) says:
    December 4, 2015 at 2:45 pm
    so most of our taxes are social security & obamacare for old farts.

    and yet these old farts don’t want kids to get any social benefits

    Fukcing bastards!

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 4, 2015 at 1:30 pm
    I’m sorry, I made a mistake. I’m a human being. So basically the majority of our taxes go to old people and the military.

    3.56 trillion in total spent

    986 billion to medicaid.
    895 billion to social security.
    598 billion to the military (I would think this number is even higher, I bet they play tricks with the books)

  117. Trapper Dan says:

    Raise rates? Where is the inflation?

    Fed’s own staff forecast that inflation would remain below their 2% target until the 2020s.

  118. Trapper Dan says:

    re # 118- Seems the cops/Feds released the apartment back to the owner already. Nothing to see here, no fingerprints taken although there were reported half a dozen Middle Eastern men perhaps persons of interest there recently, lot of work going on in the garage?

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib, I stated that I know why we spend on the military. My problem is why don’t places like these off shore tax havens chip in on the bill? If they are going to try and steal the money (taxes) that supports this military by offering tax rates that the U.S. can’t compete with, then chip in. Why are they in the position to offer these tax rates in the first place? You know why, so it’s only right that they help out if they are going to divert tax money away from the military.

    Libturd at home says:
    December 4, 2015 at 3:20 pm
    “Who is benefiting from the 600 billion in military spending.”

    We are. It sure helps when we sell something overseas due to the strength of our currency. Or every time a foreign country buys our debt. We could be like India and cut it down to 2.2 from 3%, but look how well that is working for them.

    I know my argument is completely devoid of any cause and effect relationship, but so is nearly every single point argued here by the cheerleaders here and Pumpkin.

  120. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You need wage inflation first. That will come by 2017/2018…2019 the latest. Then the inflation follows in the 2020’s starting with the housing market and spreading to the rest of the economy. The writing is on the wall. I honestly think they waited too long to raise the rates. They might run into some rough patches down the road with inflation.

    Trapper Dan says:
    December 4, 2015 at 3:51 pm
    Raise rates? Where is the inflation?

    Fed’s own staff forecast that inflation would remain below their 2% target until the 2020s.

  121. 1987 Condo says:

    #120..Fed has a dual mandate.

  122. Trapper Dan says:

    Pumps – There is an estimated 2.5 Trillion “offshore” in a “tax haven” in Switzerland. You can be certain they defend themselves quite well.

  123. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Don’t even get me started with them. I’m “neutral”, just give me all the money you want to hide from your govt. Everyone should go in and wipe them clean, let’s see how well they defend themselves. Let’s see how they like it when money is robbed from them. We have the military to do it, and they sure as hell don’t have a military to defend themselves. Yes, hiding your money due to tax purposes in a tax haven is straight up stealing.

    Trapper Dan says:
    December 4, 2015 at 4:15 pm
    Pumps – There is an estimated 2.5 Trillion “offshore” in a “tax haven” in Switzerland. You can be certain they defend themselves quite well.

  124. Trapper Dan says:

    Hummm GI Jane was filmed almost 20 years ago.
    Goota wonder if any women will now apply for for Seal BUDs training.

    “Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said Thursday that he is opening all jobs in combat units to women, a landmark decision that would for the first time allow female service members to join the country’s most elite military forces.

    Women will now be eligible to join the Navy SEALs, Army Special Forces and other Special Operations Units. It also opens the Marine Corps infantry, a battle-hardened force that many service officials had openly advocated keeping closed to female service members.

    “There will be no exceptions,” Carter said. “This means that, as long as they qualify and meet the standards, women will now be able to contribute to our mission in ways they could not before.”

    Carter’s announcement caps three years of experimentation at the Pentagon and breakthroughs for women in the armed services. Earlier this year, two female soldiers became the first women to ever graduate from the Army’s grueling Ranger School. But the Pentagon’s project also set off a bitter debate about how women should be integrated.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/03/pentagon-chief-to-announce-how-womens-roles-in-the-military-will-expand/

  125. joyce says:

    Condo,
    The fed actually has three mandates in the statute.

    Stable prices, employment, and moderate interest rates

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    123- They have cut the taxes as low as they can, they have shipped every job that they can, and they have replaced a lot of jobs with technology. The economy has been getting leaned out for a while, there’s not much more to cut. Energy prices are stupid cheap. Have a workforce of educated millennials hungry for jobs that they will get from boomers retiring. Only difference, they will spend unlike the boomers who are in save mode for retirement. You know what happens next? Getting ready for a boom in the 2020’s. Might be the roaring 20’s all over again. .

  127. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They have cut the taxes as low as they can, they have shipped every job that they can, and they have replaced a lot of jobs with technology. The economy has been getting leaned out for a while, there’s not much more to cut. Energy prices are stupid cheap. Have a workforce of educated millennials hungry for jobs that they will get from boomers retiring. Only difference, they will spend unlike the boomers who are in save mode for retirement. You know what happens next? Getting ready for a boom in the 2020’s. Might be the roaring 20’s all over again. .

  128. Pumps – yeah, but it’s written in your excrement and nobody come over to your house to see it.

    You need wage inflation first. That will come by 2017/2018…2019 the latest. Then the inflation follows in the 2020′s starting with the housing market and spreading to the rest of the economy. The writing is on the wall. The writing is on the wall.

  129. anon (the good one) says:

    that prosperity will ensure 8 years of Hillary

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    December 4, 2015 at 4:01 pm
    You need wage inflation first. That will come by 2017/2018…2019 the latest. Then the inflation follows in the 2020′s starting with the housing market and spreading to the rest of the economy. The writing is on the wall. I honestly think they waited too long to raise the rates. They might run into some rough patches down the road with inflation.

  130. Splat Mofo says:

    Plumpity, flogging his one trick pony of wage inflation yet again

  131. Bystander says:

    Splat,

    2019 now? Blumpy has that little twig in his hand and is “edging”on the thought of wage inflation.

  132. chicagofinance says:

    Libturd at home says:
    December 4, 2015 at 11:37 am
    If I recall, ChiFi told me I was crazy to keep my CMG. I think split adjusted it was around 100. It hit 750 this year. Of course, I last owned it around 400.

    http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/CMG

  133. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    At the West Chester, PA Xmas parade. There are dance groups and bands here from Jackson and Hazlet NJ. That’s up to 3 hours from here. Wasn’t expecting that

  134. D-FENS says:

    @charlescwcooke: So, Barbara Boxer said, in the same speech, that California’s gun laws work, and we need new gun laws to stop what happened in California.

  135. Splat Mofo says:

    Think a band is gonna march down Main St in Hazlet?

  136. Splat Mofo says:

    Hazlet is where people from Keyport go when they wanna ‘big time’ it.

  137. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    I can honestly say I know nothing of Hazlet. Been to Jackson once; wasn’t impressed

  138. Hughesrep says:

    141

    Jackson is where the hoods meet the woods.

  139. NJCoast says:

    We already had a GTG at a rehearsal show at Convention Hall, AP.
    Essex says:
    December 4, 2015 at 11:39 am
    35. I would go…..let’s make it here:

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/springsteen-e-street-band-announce-tour-including-stop-at-prudential-center-1.1467746

  140. grim says:

    The manufacture and possession of explosives for nefarious purposes is broadly illegal.

    There is no background check, there is no loophole, there is no legal ownership.

    Yet the killers were able to manufacture and use a significant number of these devices.

    The Boston bombing shows that this can be even more deadly than guns.

    No law would have prevented the killing that took place in San Bernardino.

  141. relo says:

    75: Lefty,

    Sorry to hear. That is a tough row to hoe, speaking from personal experience. Health and family can humble you.

  142. chicagofinance says:

    Art Exhibit (clot Edition):

    One woman stabbed another during a fight at world-famous Art Basel Miami Beach, causing at least one patron to think he was watching performance art.

    Miami Beach Detective Kathleen Prieto told the Miami Herald the suspect stabbed the victim’s arms and neck during Friday’s fight. She said the victim is being treated for non-life threatening injuries. The suspect was arrested.

    The fight happened near an exhibit by artist Naomi Fisher. She told the Herald one witness thought it was a performance with fake blood until he realized the blood was real.

    The paper says others thought the police tape cordoning the area was an installation.

    Art Basel Miami Beach spokeswoman Sara Fitzmaurice said in an email to The Associated Press Friday, “The attack was an isolated incident that was immediately secured. Our thoughts are with the victim.”

    Art Basel Miami Beach is the extension of the annual contemporary art fair in Basel, Switzerland, and is attended by thousands.

  143. Republicans are beating Domestic Jihadists in a tight game at the Cabela’s Homegrown Extremists Bowl. The score is 48-45, but the underdog Jihadi Lefties are making a late move on the GOP:

    http://securitydata.newamerica.net/extremists/deadly-attacks.html

    (I think if I posted this on FB my friends on the left would take it literally and approve while my more sane friends would know I am being facetious and also approve)

  144. Comrade Nom Deplume, Undersecretary, Ministry of Love says:

    [148] expat

    Interesting exercise but seemingly inaccurate. The Austin TX claim involved the death of the perpetrator. How is that a point for the Red Team. Also, if I recall, the militia thing was members killing each other. Could be wrong though. Haven’t searched. Finally, there are a few generic crimes/hate crimes on there. But if you are going to report hate crimes, shouldn’t it be uniform?

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    143- Powerful message.

    “And that is why I have to write this op-ed even though it outs me as a nonleftist professor. We must start down the long road to having a college and university system where different ideas can be debated in an atmosphere of true respect for all individuals. We must start the difficult process of engaging in introspection ourselves as well as teaching our students how to engage in such introspection. We have to carefully listen to our students, and help create the type of environment where they can learn. But while there needs to be an element of safety, it must not come at the expense of keeping those students safe from challenging ideas.

    Finally, if we are going to have an inclusive campus then non-leftist academics have to be allowed to play a role in it. They cannot have their jobs threatened because they make comments, or support perspectives, some students do not like. Those who do not want to take the interest of such professors into consideration should no longer claim that they want inclusiveness or diversity. They only want to include those they agree with. In that they resemble the stereotype of the intolerant Christian fundamentalists they so often lampoon.”

  146. [149] Nom – I did absolutely no fact-checking, I just thought it was a ludicrous characterization of two “teams” whereas it is really team HateJew vs. the HateSumpin’ All Star team.

  147. joyce says:

    stellar customer service from United once again

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    Services not available in MD, NJ, NY and RI. Wonder why…….

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