NJ floats bill to tax non-profit hospitals

From the Record:

Proposed N.J. bill would mandate that some hospitals make payments to host communities

Non-profit acute-care hospitals that have money-making facilities would start making payments to offset the cost of services provided by host municipalities, according to a bill introduced Monday.

Currently, under tax laws that date back to 1913, such hospitals have blanket property tax exemptions on all their property, regardless of how much they profit from money-making ventures.

The proposed legislation, introduced by Senate President Steve Sweeney, Senator Robert Singer and Senator Joe Vitale, was worked out in agreement with the hospitals themselves. It would not change their tax-exempt status, but would require them to make defined payments to the municipalities to help pay for emergency services like police and fire protection.

The bill, called the Hospital Community Service Contribution Bill, would have non-profit hospitals that have for-profit operations make community service contributions directly to their municipalities. The payment formula would be $2.50 a day for each hospital bed and $750 a day for each facility providing satellite emergency care.

“The health care industry has changed substantially over the years, with hospitals engaged in a broad range of activities and services,” said Sweeney, a Democrat representing the counties of Salem and Gloucester.

“There is also a dramatic increase in competition among other hospitals and with other health care providers. The business has changed, but the tax laws have not. This legislation will have the hospitals pay their fair share while at the same time preserving their tax-exempt status,” Sweeney added.

Five percent of the payments under the measure would be sent to the county where the hospital is located. Any voluntary contributions by the hospitals would be deducted from the community service payments, and any hospital that is losing money could apply for an exemption from the payments.

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73 Responses to NJ floats bill to tax non-profit hospitals

  1. Marilyn says:

    Good morning NJ. Listen , instead of insulting me you people should be praising me!! I should be the patron St. of NJ. I actually put my money where my mouth is and picked up and left. I am living in a State now with real Hillbillies not imposters. I am living among real rural poverty, I am living among true diversity and blacks all over the South not divided into little corners of towns. I am living the way the real liberals would want me to live in NC. So instead of insult me, praise me for being so open minded. HAHA!! Btw, I saw Trump at the Dordan Arean in Raleigh Friday, and was never happier to be with 8k of people who think like me. I was invited to the State Senate to watch how they run the general assembly from Senator Alexander of NC and they have now lowered my assessment on my house to real fair value so my property tax will go down. The best part is yesterday Im on the treadmill at the gym, a women looks up at me and says to me, Hey you want to get out of here and go walk the Lake instead of this machine. I said YES. And we did 3 miles together talking around the lake. I LOVE IT HERE!!!!

  2. Marilyn says:

    Marilyn the Patron St. of NJ!!!

  3. Marilyn says:

    BTW, Grim you selling your booze for mail order gifts for Christmas??

  4. anon (the good one) says:

    more extreme right wingers should follow your example.
    they are lucky to have you as their Patron St.

    Marilyn says:
    December 8, 2015 at 6:51 am

    I actually put my money where my mouth is and picked up and left.

  5. Fabius Maximus says:

    #1 Marilyn

    I’m curious, did he give away hats or did he have a booth to sell them?

  6. HouseWhineWine says:

    Marilyn, God Bless. Better you than me. Hope you love your life with the other 8k of people who think like you.

  7. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [4] anon

    For once I agree with you. Once we get all of you in one place, it will be easier to marginalize you. We need deeper reds and blues, and less purple

  8. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    It’s funny, I constantly read reports about individuals who personally know Trump and think very highly of him, whether or not they think he should be president. Interestingly, once you put aside the Xenophobia, most of his policies are pretty centrist, even populist.

  9. Getting your drink on early?

    Marilyn says:
    December 8, 2015 at 6:51 am
    Good morning NJ. Listen , instead of insulting me you people should be praising me!! I should be the patron St. of NJ. I actually put my money where my mouth is and picked up and left. I am living in a State now with real Hillbillies not imposters. I am living among real rural poverty, I am living among true diversity and blacks all over the South not divided into little corners of towns. I am living the way the real liberals would want me to live in NC. So instead of insult me, praise me for being so open minded. HAHA!! Btw, I saw Trump at the Dordan Arean in Raleigh Friday, and was never happier to be with 8k of people who think like me. I was invited to the State Senate to watch how they run the general assembly from Senator Alexander of NC and they have now lowered my assessment on my house to real fair value so my property tax will go down. The best part is yesterday Im on the treadmill at the gym, a women looks up at me and says to me, Hey you want to get out of here and go walk the Lake instead of this machine. I said YES. And we did 3 miles together talking around the lake. I LOVE IT HERE!!!!

  10. [8]Nom – I think Trump’s silent majority comes right out of the center. Guys like you and I will never shrink from a fight with a gang of loony lefties, but I think there are too many people who have just labored through the last decade, never opening their mouth on anything political (lest they be shouted down as a racist), just going to work, paying their taxes, etc. Along comes Trump who gets to say anything he wants, whenever he wants and seemingly answers to no one after the fact. I think a lot of centrists are living vicariously through him. They may never say a word, might even lie about who they are voting for, and then they’ll just pull the “T” lever at the polls. I wonder if he wins, will the electoral college actually let him win?

    It’s funny, I constantly read reports about individuals who personally know Trump and think very highly of him, whether or not they think he should be president. Interestingly, once you put aside the Xenophobia, most of his policies are pretty centrist, even populist.

  11. Trapper Dan says:

    re: # 8 – re: Xenophobia – Right after 9/11 all foreign adult males already in this country from 25 Muslim countries were required to register and be fingerprinted and photographed. More than 80,000 individuals were also interviewed under the program, over 13,000 were placed into deportation proceedings. There was also a priority absconders program for those that did not appear. Most of these policies have been discontinued, even though they generally withstood all legal challenges.

    You have to ask yourself why we allow immigration from these countries while we are still at war. The war is still declared nobody has claimed victory or defeat, if anything after the Arab spring and the surge in activities of ISIL the war on Terrorism has expanded, and so should our policies to deal with Terrorism here at home.

  12. Trapper Dan says:

    If this is true “Gunman Syed Farook received a$28,500 deposit to his bank account nearly two weeks before he and his wife unleashed a deadly terrorist attack”, we now have a breadcrumb trail. Fire up the bombers and drones.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/calif-shooters-received-28k-deposit-attack-report-article-1.2458273

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [12] trapper,

    Precisely what I thought. He doesn’t own property and made about 50K a year. No way he got an unsecured loan in that amount unless it was from Vinnie the Mook.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [11] trapper dan,

    One need only look to the Patron Saint of the Democratic Party for historical precedent. Roosevelt also knew how to use a pen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066

  15. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [13] DFENS

    I have my Pennsylvania carry permit. Costs $20 and good for five years.

    I view it as cheap insurance. And you know what they say about insurance: better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. I encourage people to get them even if they don’t own firearms.

    As an aside, I have a friend in Philly, a die-hard liberal dem soc1alist in the Bernie mold. Adheres to every liberal position. Imagine my surprise when I found out he had a handgun. Gave him no end of grief for that.

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [10] expat

    Agree completely. The problem is that charismatic leaders who emerge from times of distress haven’t worked out so well, historically speaking.

  17. Alex says:

    Anon is one inflatable doll away from being radicalized.

  18. Marilyn says:

    It was like a concert, you had people outside selling hats and tee shirts. I felt like an old lady instead of seeing Rush I saw Trump. HAHA!! And sober.

  19. Marilyn says:

    #9 I have been sober since age 28 now IM 49. Please stop with that crap. Maybe some of us don’t need drugs or booze to be really crazy. You see you should be happy I have no excuse for my thinking. And I do Like Trump the best out of the bunch. I like that he takes no money from other groups.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    The left proposes gun control. Isn’t that hysterical? I don’t particularly like guns, they actually scare me a little, to be honest. But lately, I’ve been considering looking into obtaining one and becoming adept at using it. We are at war and are under attack and the left’s solution is to make it more difficult for Americans to defend themselves. What buffoons. Trump is resonating because 150 millions true Americans are fed up with everything and tired of being f.ucked by the bleeding heart @assholes. It goes for everything.

  21. Essex says:

    22. Right on.

  22. If you say so says:

    20.
    Maybe some of us don’t need drugs or booze to be really crazy.

  23. If you say so says:

    57 Years old. Does not understand technology. Wonder if this was the first lie she ever told….. Ford 1, Bernstein 0
    http://www.cnet.com/news/woman-arrested-after-her-car-rats-her-out/

  24. Marilyn says:

    #6 thank you sweetheart.

  25. Marilyn;

    “Anon” is the twitter-addled moron. I prefer Moose. Happy Hanukkah, if that’s your bag.

  26. Tool [4];

    Be careful what you wish for.

    Early Census data shows electoral college advantage for Republicans

    Reliably red Arizona would add another seat, based on current trends, increasing its delegation to 10 House members. Blue states California and Oregon are both projected to gain seats, as are swing states Colorado, Florida, North Carolina and Virginia.

    But states most likely to lose seats are almost all reliably Democratic: Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Pennsylvania and Rhode Island — all states Democratic presidential candidates have carried in the last six national elections — are projected to lose enough population to shed a seat.

    Swing Ohio is projected to drop a seat, and Alabama and West Virginia, both states Republicans have won in the last four national elections, would also lose seats.

    That means blue states would lose a net of four electoral votes, and red states would gain a net of two, a shift of six total electoral votes, the equivalent of flipping a state the size of Iowa from the blue column to the red column.

  27. NJT says:

    Trump reminds me of Saturn (the car) “A different kind of company” that’s just not going to make it.

    Unlike Saturn Trump won’t give me anything for free – “Make America Great Again” hats (Saturn opened their parts dept. early on a Sunday morning and gave me oil and a filter for free! Twice!).

    *BTW – they were good cars, owned two. Trump won’t get one term.

  28. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [21] Eddie,

    ” But lately, I’ve been considering looking into obtaining one and becoming adept at using it.”

    Let me know if you are ever up for a road trip to PA and slinging some lead downrange.

    Or you can go see my friend Eddie (really, his name is Eddie).

    https://www.facebook.com/Home.Defense.Site/

    Very near to you, I believe. If you forget my real name, email me or tell him that one of the former CJA dads referred you.

  29. Fabius Maximus says:

    #21 Fast Eddie

    Pro gun control is not necessarily anti gun. I just want gun owners to be responsible and accountable.
    I went to get my son a new pair of skates in Sunday. With the Blue Light laws I went over the border in NY. I bought the skates and took them to the Hunting Dept to get them sharpened. Here’s what I saw.
    First up, older guy behind the counter, kid about 22 to 25 redneck with a beard looking at 22s. Sales guy asks what state and the kid is from PA. Sales guy pulls a rifle off the rack, checks it’s unloaded and hands it too the kid. The kid checks it’s unloaded and they talk about the gun and the current deer populations in the area. Kid does not buy and leaves.

    Next up guy late 30s with his soon. Young guy behind the counter. What state? NY. Looking at cheap 12 gauges. The guy has that agitated stance, tense aways moving and chewing gum. I’m thinking pill head. Wants to shoot skeet, but seems more interested in the shorter barrel for home defense and pistol grips. Kid pulls a gun off the rack, checks it’s empty and hands it over. Guy does not check it and puts it straight to his shoulder. He swings round and while I’m not in his line, I take a big step back from the side of him. He says he likes it and asks what he has to do to buy it. Kid says the background check should take 45 mins. Guys attitude changes, mumbles that he needs to think about it and leaves.
    Next up, two guys late 40s nothing special. Buyer from NY brought his friend from NJ who has guns. NY Guy wants to see the same guns shifty was looking at. Kid pulls down the gun he just put away, checks it’s clear and hands it over. NY doesn’t check it, straight to the shoulder and i’m taking another big step back. I look at a the kid who gives me a look that says “yes, I know”. Guy seems genuinely interested in the longer barrel for skeet. Meanwhile NJ has struck up a conversation. Turns out he bought the guns when he lived in LI. He never registerd when he moved to NJ and doesn’t have a FID. Kid tells him he should really get that sorted.
    So in my world, I hope Shift never passes a background check. NY 40 needs some training and then should be ok. NJ 40 needs A big fine, but if he gets stopped in NJ he’s going to the big house. He does not deserve to go, but that’s the law and it’s part if the law that needs to be addressed. Judges need to have flexibility in the sentencing guidelines.
    The kid from PA can buy what he wants.

  30. D-FENS says:

    Eddie,

    You can rent them here. Nothing required except a drivers license. It’s in woodland park.

    http://gunforhire.com/

    For a small extra fee, the RSO will stay with you and show you how to use it.

    Go on a weekday and take a day off. On the weekend they are busy…the place looks like the UN….all sorts of people there renting and training etc.

    Go hungry. They also have good food and a place to smoke cigars.

  31. D-FENS says:

    also here if you decide you’re more of a shotgun guy.

    http://www.thundermt.com/

  32. Marilyn says:

    ahh I see two different Anon’s

  33. 3b says:

    It’s the left’s own fault that trump is doing so well. Political correctness has morphed into madness. Anyone with a difference of opinion is silenced by being labeled an xist of whatever kind. People are just exhausted from all the madness! And trump represents that. It’s been years of the USA is horrible bad responsible for all the world’s ills. Trump whether he is a bafoon or not speaks to that. And he is not beholden to the money interests either. That’s why the other republican candidates despise him as well. So his time has come. Leftists it’s your own fault you created him. And republicans you too with your embrace of lobbyists money etc. The backlash is here and it’s going to be ugly.

  34. 1987 Condo says:

    Good thing this guy was able to break multiple laws, not sure he could have done as well otherwise….

    http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2015/12/ex-police_chief_accused_of_dwi_crash_gets_raise_26.html#incart_river_home

  35. Personally, I’m offended at the way this board marginalizes the utility of drugs and booze.

  36. anon (the good one) says:

    @nicktimiraos

    Unemployment rate in Nov

    College degree: 2.5%
    High school diploma: 5.4%
    Neither: 6.9%
    on.wsj.com

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Agreed, and I’m voting for Bernie or Trump based on the money issue. Need a change from the bought out political options.

    3b says:
    December 8, 2015 at 1:24 pm
    It’s the left’s own fault that trump is doing so well. Political correctness has morphed into madness. Anyone with a difference of opinion is silenced by being labeled an xist of whatever kind. People are just exhausted from all the madness! And trump represents that. It’s been years of the USA is horrible bad responsible for all the world’s ills. Trump whether he is a bafoon or not speaks to that. And he is not beholden to the money interests either. That’s why the other republican candidates despise him as well. So his time has come. Leftists it’s your own fault you created him. And republicans you too with your embrace of lobbyists money etc. The backlash is here and it’s going to be ugly.

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    I appreciate all the links and feedback and the anecdotal stuff too, for what it’s worth. I am serious about considering being versed in a firearm. We’re under attack. F.uck this, they ain’t defeating us, I don’t give a sh1t what they think.

  39. joyce says:

    What really bothers me is that the chief is driving around with illegal window tints.

    1987 Condo says:
    December 8, 2015 at 1:34 pm
    Good thing this guy was able to break multiple laws, not sure he could have done as well otherwise….

    http://www.nj.com/somerset/index.ssf/2015/12/ex-police_chief_accused_of_dwi_crash_gets_raise_26.html#incart_river_home

  40. anon (the good one) says:

    @nicktimiraos

    Almost all jobs the economy has added in the last 6.5 years have been full time positions on.wsj.com

  41. D-FENS says:

    Fabius, the NJ guy is not breaking any laws. He only needs the FID if he is purchasing a new firearm.

  42. D-FENS says:

    http://www.njsp.org/firearms/firearms-faqs.shtml

    I have moved to New Jersey from another state. May I continue to possess my firearm(s)?

    Firearms which have been legally acquired in another state and are legal to possess in New Jersey may be brought to New Jersey by the owner when residency is established. The owner may VOLUNTARILY register the firearm(s) by completing a Voluntary Form of Firearms Registration, however the owner is not obligated to do so.

  43. Splat [36];

    Don’t forget hookers. I remember quite clearly from the bubble years how every person who didn’t buy in at the top was just p!$$ing their money away as if on hookers and blow.

  44. Essex says:

    The liberal mindset, which I understand, but what worries me, at least from a personal rights standpoint.

  45. mrdenis says:

    Sweeney’s bill ….SCR184 Proposes constitutional amendment to require payments by State to State-administered retirement systems and establish in Constitution right of public employees to pension benefit; provides for enforcement of funding obligations and benefit rights…. Well that sounds fair ,how could it hurt ,Chicago did it

  46. Essex says:

    I always heard that it was already in the Constitution or at least the state could not default on it.

  47. 1987 Condo says:

    The court said that NJ didn’t have to fund the pension system, but it did not say it didn’t have to pay.

  48. 30 year realtor says:

    What am I missing here? For 30+ years I have been selling and managing foreclosed real estate in some of North Jersey’s toughest urban areas. This includes door knocking to break the news after sheriff sales are perfected and handling tons of evictions. Never been threatened, menaced or put in fear of my life. Never wished I was carrying a concealed weapon.

    What the fcuk are you folks doing on a regular basis that puts you in such fear?

  49. Essex says:

    50. I work with at-risk teens, some of which are gang members.

  50. Essex says:

    P.S. I never mentioned I would carry either. Just that it would be nice to have something for home security and not feel that I was breaking 20 different laws.

  51. 30 year realtor says:

    Essex – can’t recall you ever advocating wide spread concealed carry of weapons or posting about guns and ammo.

  52. Essex says:

    53. I’m not particularly opposed to it. It’s just not something that I would personally do.

  53. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [43] DFENS

    “Fabius, the NJ guy is not breaking any laws. He only needs the FID if he is purchasing a new firearm.”

    As much as I love to point out Rory’s lack of thorough understanding when it comes to the law, here you both may be assuming facts not in evidence.

    He assumes NJ is in NY purchasing something he can’t get in NJ without license. He may be right. You assume he has the proper licensing. You may be right.

    It is true that if you move into the state with your guns, you need not register them. That’s a different fact scenario.

    FYI: Not giving legal advice here.

  54. Essex says:

    The Sunset Strip has had its struggles, what with the demise of hair metal, the House of Blues, and parking for less than $10. So we don’t blame venues for trying hard to get your business. The Viper Room, however, might have gone too far.

    With onetime co-owner Johnny Depp long gone, the venue celebrated a “relaunch” recently. We weren’t there so we’re not exactly sure how the place has been improved. We do know that its ownership team has been remixed.

    What was unsettling about the affair was the offering of a drink called “the Phoenix,” named after River Phoenix, which a publicist for the club says was basically a Moscow mule made with tequila by Casamigos, the company co-owned by George Clooney.

    The spirit maker was a onetime sponsor, so it’s not a sure thing “the Phoenix” will be on the club’s permanent drink menu, we were told, but there’s “a good chance” it will indeed be immortalized over ice, the spokeswoman said.

  55. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [54] essex

    I have a CCW. I hardly ever carry. Maybe one or two times a month when going into the city, and even then not always, depending on destination or waypoints.

    Even in PA, it’s a hassle sometimes. Not worth the effort just to feel a modicum of safety in most situations.

    When I lived in NH, I had a permit but NEVER carried. No need.

    Like I said, better to have it and not need it than the inverse.

  56. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [31] DFENS

    My friend Eddie used to be with them. He may still have a affiliation with them for all I know. But too far away for me. There’s Targetmaster right down the road, or plenty of open land in ChesCo.

  57. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [50] realtor

    “What the fcuk are you folks doing on a regular basis that puts you in such fear?”

    Nothing. Not about fear. It’s about being prepared to handle the unexpected. Which is, by its nature, unexpected. You can’t predict unexpected: I spent time in the badlands with no issues. I had near misses in decent areas.

    Personally, I try to avoid things I know I will fear. Which isn’t much so that’s easy. That leaves only the unexpected.

  58. Comrade Nom Deplume, screwing around at work says:

    [39] eddie,

    Well, if you are serious and want to venture across the Delaware, the guns and ammo are free. Got plenty of both.

    Beer too. Not at the same time though.

  59. D-FENS says:

    @chmtp: registered Independents are the voters most likely to have an unfavorable view of Islam https://t.co/4OiurN73Vw

  60. 30 year realtor says:

    Comrade #59 – Unexpected? Thirty plus years doing what I do and no unexpected. Would you care to venture a guess on the odds of that unexpected occurrence happening? My guess is that the odds of a unintended shooting from wide spread concealed carry exceed the odds of your need to ever draw a weapon.

    What percentage of the general public can we depend upon for consistent, unwavering responsible behavior?

  61. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [62] realtor

    Congratulations on your mastery of probability. Now if you could only predict with a high degree of certainty similarly successful results for me, that would make me feel a lot better.

  62. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [62] realtor

    “What percentage of the general public can we depend upon for consistent, unwavering responsible behavior?”

    Well, under your scenario for success, it must be a very high percentage indeed. Otherwise, that sort of proves my point for me, doesn’t it?

  63. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    Traffic is awful so I am holed up in a place called the Spread Eagle Tavern. No seriously, that’s the name.

    Whatever happened to JJ? He could weigh in here right about now.

  64. Comrade Nom Deplume, the anon-tidote says:

    [65] redux

    This bar is nice but it is is apparently brand-new, only open a couple of weeks.

    After watching a few episodes of “Bar Rescue”, I can find so many ways that this place is leaving money on the table, or seeing it walk out the door. I wonder if I should offer my services for an open tab for the office

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:
  66. Fabius Maximus says:

    #44 D-FENS

    You are correct, what is stuck in the back of my head is that guy Aitken moving to Hoboken. While there was a lot more to the story, getting caught in the car can end badly, even if you are in the right.

  67. Fabius Maximus says:
  68. Walking bye says:

    Was it true that Richard Grasso visited the narcos to drum up business on the NYSE, only to be fired shortly lattet

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