A better outcome for NNJ?

Is this actually the best result for NJ? Discuss. From the WSJ:

New York City and Northern Virginia will be the homes for Amazon.com Inc.’s second and third headquarters, according to people familiar with the matter, ending a more than yearlong public contest that started with 238 candidates and ended with a surprise split of its so-called HQ2.

The imminent announcement is expected as soon as Tuesday, according to the people. Other cities may also receive major sites, some of the people said.

Amazon is dividing the second headquarters evenly between New York’s Long Island City and Arlington County’s Crystal City neighborhoods, which are both located directly across from the major city centers. The company plans to evenly split the offices with as many as 25,000 employees.

The decision effectively gives Amazon a major presence in three coastal hubs that politically lean left, at a time when tech companies are under scrutiny for their perceived elitism and liberal social views.

Amazon declined to comment.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio discussed the Amazon deal Monday night during his weekly television appearance, although he didn’t confirm that the city had been officially selected. He was hopeful that HQ2 would come to New York City. “We’re talking about the single biggest economic development deal in the history of New York City,” he said.

Amazon’s move to New York pits it against rival Google, which is gearing up for its own expansion in the city. The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the Alphabet Inc. unit will add office space for more than 12,000 new workers, an amount nearly double the search giant’s current staffing in the city, people familiar with the matter said. On Monday night at the Journal’s D.Live tech conference, Google financial chief Ruth Porat confirmed the company plans to double its New York City staff of 7,000 over a decade.

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161 Responses to A better outcome for NNJ?

  1. dentss says:

    First ……

  2. D-FENS says:

    Interesting development. Congresswoman elect Ocasio-Cortez and her constituents do not want Amazon. Fears of Gentrification perhaps?

    https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1062203458227503104?s=21

  3. Ottoman says:

    Quote of the day:

    “Fvck Veterans” – All Trump supporters

  4. Ottoman says:

    70% of the country is socially liberal and leans politically left (which these days is barely to the left of Reagan). It’s the effing racist and undemocratic electoral college, Senate, and Supreme Court, all of which were designed to keep white slaveholding landowners in power, that keeps our government from skewing to the real will of the people.

    “The decision effectively gives Amazon a major presence in three coastal hubs that politically lean left, at a time when tech companies are under scrutiny for their perceived elitism and liberal social views.”

  5. Ottoman says:

    I wouldn’t want Amazon in New Jersey either. It should be nationalized and collectivized anyway.

    Interesting how the “smartest” tech companies in the world want to stay in the leftie bastions. They could have just as easily moved to everyone’s favorite logistical hub: Nashville. Then again, the red states have proven themselves to be a cesspool of ignorance. Don’t believe me? Look up “Moron” in the dictionary. There’s a huge picture of Tennessee Senator Elect Marsha Blackburn.

  6. texting says:

    Definitely a big deal for NNJ..

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s the effing racist and undemocratic electoral college, Senate, and Supreme Court, all of which were designed to keep white slaveholding landowners in power, that keeps our government from skewing to the real will of the people.

    The real will of the people. Translation: I want what you have so give it to me because it’s not fair.

  8. Pumpkin Potatohead proof says:

    Roughly 15 minutes, worth it.

    https://nyti.ms/2z9KHx0

  9. grim says:

    The rift between the left and high tech is becoming a real trend now.

    California and SF’s days as tech and innovation hub of the world are numbered.

  10. D-FENS says:

    They’re going to chase them away…

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  11. joyce says:

    grim,
    Re: headline article

    Without knowing what moronic last ditch efforts NJ and Newark are going to attempt, it’s tough to say. If they do nothing, I guess NJ could benefit slightly… do a lot of people today commute from NNJ to non-Manhattan boroughs?

  12. Bruiser says:

    Ocasio-Cortez is just worried the new development will uproot the working class yokels and be supplanted by smarter, more upwardly-mobile educated workers who won’t vote for her commie backside.

  13. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Took Gator two hours to get to Hoboken this morning. Sadly, her intended destination was New York.

  14. 3b says:

    Amazon in LIC will have little to no affect on north Jersey.

  15. D-FENS says:

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    JUST IN: Amazon to announce Nashville will be home to East Coast hub of operations, adding 5,000 new corporate jobs – Reuters

    Ottoman says:
    November 13, 2018 at 8:45 am
    I wouldn’t want Amazon in New Jersey either. It should be nationalized and collectivized anyway.

    Interesting how the “smartest” tech companies in the world want to stay in the leftie bastions. They could have just as easily moved to everyone’s favorite logistical hub: Nashville. Then again, the red states have proven themselves to be a cesspool of ignorance. Don’t believe me? Look up “Moron” in the dictionary. There’s a huge picture of Tennessee Senator Elect Marsha Blackburn.

  16. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Agree 3b. And at some point, it’s going to have to be broken up.

  17. grim says:

    Stupid autofill.

    Thanks d.

  18. D-FENS says:

    so really NYC, VA, and Nashville

  19. grim says:

    Amazon in LIC will have little to no affect on north Jersey.

    Amazon in LIC cements NY’s position as a tech and innovation hub on the east coast.

    I’m on day 3 in the bay area and local CEOs and business leaders are all talking about establishing outposts in the NY metro. Critical mass of talent is key.

    Bay area gets you funding, NYC gets you business.

    Oh yeah, they didn’t pick Boston.

  20. grim says:

    Big question, does Audible stay in Newark. That’ll be telling.

  21. 3b says:

    No argument there Grim, just saying it’s a nyc thing not nj. It will have far more impact on the surrounding area and the Bronx and Queens than Bergen co NJ let’s say.

  22. grim says:

    Hopefully this will be a wake up call to NJ’s political leadership, but probably not.

  23. grim says:

    NY promised $1.5 billion in incentives to Amazon, compared to NJ’s total of $7 billion in incentives.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b and the likes….

    Please explain to me how north jersey is not a part of the nyc economy? No impact? You really don’t understand that north jersey is a specific part of the nyc economy. Do you know how many workers we supply? Evidence…..why has cuomo switched his position on the tunnel? Back in 2015, he said “it’s not my tunnel.” Now he says he was wrong and realizes how important that tunnel is for nyc.

  25. Yo! says:

    I encourage everyone to read Newark’s HQ2 proposal. It was garbage. I don’t know why Jersey City didn’t push harder.

    Few New Jersey residents commute to outer boroughs. Take Hudson County. 81,000 residents go to Manhattan, 5,000 to Brooklyn, 3,000 to Queens, 2,000 to Bronx, 500 to Staten Island.

    If Long Island City becomes the next South Lake Union (Seattle) or South of Market ( San Francisco), Nassau County will be a big winner. LIRR has 2 stations in Long Island City.

  26. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    3 hours after leaving the house and Gator still not at work 14 miles away. Third world transit in the greatest city in the world. Thanks Donald.

  27. grim says:

    Not that portal bridge is an issue this morning, but I never understood why they didn’t kill maritime transit on the Hackensack river and fix the bridge in place.

    Not sure why we should continue to treat the Hackensack and Passaic river as navigable waterways.

    I drive down 21 along the Passaic, and every time I wonder why the hell we spent the money on the enormous drawbridges. Maybe 1 company transporting cargo on the river, and they don’t go north of Newark.

    Give it up, save a fortune in time and money.

  28. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Pumps. You really are a sh1t for brains.

    “Back in 2015, he said “it’s not my tunnel.” Now he says he was wrong and realizes how important that tunnel is for nyc.”

    Back in 2015, Cuomo was dealing with a Republican Governor in NJ and an ally in the White House. Perhaps, why he wasn’t pushing for it to be a national project.

    LIC is about as New York City as is Moonachie.

    Go back to the sandbox.

  29. 3b says:

    Pumps I never said north jersey was not part of nyc economy in many respects my point was that it will not as you imagine make north jersey real estate and in particular Wayne real estate more valuable than it is now. Queens the Bronx Nassau Co and Manhattan will be impacted to some degree on the real estate side. For instance it’s less than 20 miles from City Island in the Bronx to LIC. City Island is a nice area in the Bronx with waterfront homes and lots of sailing and seafood restaurants and antique shops. That area could definitely be impacted real estate wise before Wayne or my town or any other North jersey town.

  30. 3b says:

    I said from the beginning that Newark was never going to happen and it didn’t. Someone insisted it was almost a done deal! And of course it was not!

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sandbox?

    The point I’m making is that Amazon makes this nyc economy that much stronger. We are a part of this economic system whether you realize it or not. Jobs created in jersey city or Moonachie also benefit nyc economy because they are a part of it. Just as jobs created in Queens benefit the entire system. Doesn’t matter what state, it’s all a part of the local economy.

    Look at south jersey….no impact from philly?

    Look at sf….oakland and palo alto are not close together, but they benefit from the same local economy.

  32. grim says:

    Sorry, truck the shit to Newark…

    As of 2015, the only regularly scheduled commercial traffic on the river is a barge full of sludge[3] traveling from Bergen County Utilities Authority complex in Little Ferry to a sewage treatment plant in Newark.[1] For the last four months of 2014, of the 90 times the bridge was opened, 75 were to provide service to the sludge barge.[3] The bridge has caused numerous delays in train service in order to allow for river service, though Amtrak does not keep specific records of delays.[3]

  33. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Grim,

    The only Maritime customer are tugs pulling trash and sludge from the Newark Bay. The only person who can override the longstanding maritime priority of the bridge is the Donald. Not going to happen when Blue state revenge is his modus operandi. The old PSEG Hudson generating station (gross polluter) closed in 2017. They used to get a lot of coal shipments through there since they burned imported coal from Asia since the plant was over 100 years old and needed purer coal than mined nationally. That plant was such a polluter that they only burned coal after dark. They would burn NG during the day. If you ever drove to NYC in the early morning (before 6am), you could see that coal smoke plume stretch for miles.

  34. Bystander says:

    No one is their right mind commutes from NNJ to LIC. Some idiots in CT think Fairfield County benefits. Who wants that nightmare of commute? NYC/Queens, lower Westchester and Long Island benefit. Everyone else will barely notice.

  35. 3b says:

    Bystander Exactly!

  36. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    This Summer, NJTransit approved a 30-year 600 million bond to rebuild the bridge. Stupidly, instead of building a 4-lane bridge, they are building a new 2-lane bridge next to the current bridge. Of course, the current bridge will remain in service to continue to cause slightly less delays then it currently does with a secondary bridge in place. All of the railroad experts say a new 4-lane bridge is an absolute necessity based on capacity needs. NJ transit is making another huge mistake here. They will eventually have to build a second bridge to replace the rotting Portal Bridge, which will end up being many times more expensive than having just built the 4-lane bridge in the first place. But fear not. I expect the familiar, “we didn’t know,” public service mantra, to be resurrected sometime around 2025 when they realize this. Everything NEC is 4 lanes. Even the Secaucus Transfer was built for four lanes through. Add two more tunnels and it’s four lanes through. Except when the Portal Bridge gets stuck. Nothing but the best and the brightest in these patronage mills.

  37. 1987 Condo says:

    Amazon—all political bases covered!

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Combined between Amazon and Google, we are adding over 45,000 jobs to the local economy….you guys are insane if you don’t understand how much of an impact this will have on the overall nyc economy. You think money stays in one place?

  39. texting says:

    looks like I need to expedite my home purchase in south Bergen. if the prices are not going to spike, I bet they will stay healthy for years to come..

  40. 3b says:

    No one said it won’t impact nyc economy. What some of us said is it won’t impact north jersey real estate prices.

  41. PumpkinFace says:

    So is Montana. IT’S ONE ECONOMIC SYSTEM!

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    November 13, 2018 at 10:36 am
    Sandbox?

    The point I’m making is that Amazon makes this nyc economy that much stronger. We are a part of this economic system whether you realize it or not. Jobs created in jersey city or Moonachie also benefit nyc economy because they are a part of it. Just as jobs created in Queens benefit the entire system. Doesn’t matter what state, it’s all a part of the local economy.

  42. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Some necessary definitions for decoding Ottoman’s dialect of English:

    country: New York + California

    effing electoral college: the body that recognizes votes from states outside the country (see above definition).

    popular vote: the vote that Hillary Clinton lost by 3 million votes in the states that are not part of the country* (see above definition).

    *won by 6 million votes when counting just NY + CA, the only states that should count.

    Ottoman says:
    November 13, 2018 at 8:38 am

    70% of the country is socially liberal and leans politically left (which these days is barely to the left of Reagan). It’s the effing racist and undemocratic electoral college, Senate, and Supreme Court, all of which were designed to keep white slaveholding landowners in power, that keeps our government from skewing to the real will of the people.

  43. Richard says:

    How about we build a tunnel from Seacaucus to Manhattan which will make commuting from NNJ to LIC quick and easy.

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    How will it not impact nj prices? It will impact prices in every market tied to the nyc economy. Have you read what I have posted about spillover? The circle around nyc will become more and more expensive over time. It’s inevitable. The creation of silicone valley on the west coast has helped to tame this spread over the past 20 years. Silicone valley peaked, and they are now creating a foot on the east coast in the nyc hub. The prices in our area didn’t rise like they did on the west coast, so they now have become a value in comparison to economic potential. All those people that left they nyc economic hub will regret it. NYC is about to take the f off!

  45. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That’s highly predictable. After all, Amazon is continually being exposed for engaging in transactions which are nothing more than thinly disguised exchanges of goods and services for capital.

    Interesting development. Congresswoman elect Ocasio-Cortez and her constituents do not want Amazon. Fears of Gentrification perhaps?

    https://twitter.com/ocasio2018/status/1062203458227503104?s=21

  46. 3b says:

    Pumps as was said it will impact real estate prices in Queens , Brooklyn, The Bronx and Nassau county as well as Manhattan. It will not impact prices in north Jersey including my town and yours and all the other north Jersey towns. You mention 45k people, not 4 million people and those 45k will be spread around the areas previously noted. Not in your town or mine or north Jersey. Remember you are the same person who said Amazon and Newark were a done deal.

  47. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps believes quantity always trumps quality, especially when it comes to words…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

  48. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I wasn’t the one screaming it’s going to austin or any of the other southern locations. I was damn close. Knew it would be in the nyc hub, just got the location wrong. Still think they should have taken advantage of newark, but it is what it is. It’s still going to help the overall economy in our area.

    You were the one screaming that they weren’t coming to nyc hub.

    “Remember you are the same person who said Amazon and Newark were a done deal.”

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Insanity. So somehow, nj won’t be impacted by the growth of the nyc economy, but brooklyn will. If you say so.

    3b says:
    November 13, 2018 at 11:37 am
    Pumps as was said it will impact real estate prices in Queens , Brooklyn, The Bronx and Nassau county as well as Manhattan. It will not impact prices in north Jersey including my town and yours and all the other north Jersey towns.

  50. 3b says:

    No pumps I never screamed they were not coming to NYC I screamed they were not coming to Newark! In fact I believe I screamed they would come to NYC because of the cachet associated with the location something Newark and NJ certainly don’t have. Now you are deflecting and saying you were right you just got the location wrong as to what part of nyc metro area they were coming to. That is just BS.

  51. 3b says:

    Again pumps I said nj real estate will not be impacted by Amazon coming to LIC , Brooklyn real estate on the other hand will.

  52. joyce says:

    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/11/20k_dwi_cases_could_be_tossed_in_nj_after_supreme.html

    I’m surprised the court didn’t cop-out and say dead people no longer have standing.

  53. Bruiser says:

    Richard says:
    November 13, 2018 at 11:20 am
    How about we build a tunnel from Seacaucus to Manhattan which will make commuting from NNJ to LIC quick and easy.

    You still have one more river to cross. Are all those NNJ commuters going to take the Midtown Tunnel or the 59th Street Bridge? Don’t forget the coming “Congestion Pricing” to add to the daily toll nut.

    I used to work on 37th Ave in LIC. Getting there from Nassau County was a b*tch. I couldn’t imagine some nutbar from Wayne NJ or Trumbull CT trying to get there by 8am every day.

  54. 3b says:

    Oh and pumps last I checked Brooklyn is part of NYC and it’s a subway ride away from LIC.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you understand that someone from Wayne will not be working there. They will be working another job that feeds off these new jobs being created. Do you know how a localized economy works?

    “I used to work on 37th Ave in LIC. Getting there from Nassau County was a b*tch. I couldn’t imagine some nutbar from Wayne NJ or Trumbull CT trying to get there by 8am every day.”

  56. Bystander says:

    NYC population about 9 million, Denver popluation about 700k. Any question why 45k jobs get swallowed whole without a giant bump to NJ RE, moron? Sure it is good for region but bump will be to quick shots to LIC, not 3 hop transportation locations or bridge and tunnel commutes. Younger people won’t tolerate it.

  57. leftwing says:

    “Amazon in LIC cements NY’s position as a tech and innovation hub on the east coast.
    I’m on day 3 in the bay area and local CEOs and business leaders are all talking about establishing outposts in the NY metro. Critical mass of talent is key.”

    ^^^Boom.

    LIC is a fine outcome for NNJ.

    Short term, NNJ simply could not handle an influx of the size anticipated were HQ2 sited in Newark. It would have been a disaster.

    Longer term, grim nails it.

    Most important to the metro NY area (including NNJ) is that HQ2 along with Google’s rapid expansion in the Village and Cornell Tech is cementing the metro NY area as a hub for STEM talent. NYC as a tech hub was never assured yet was essential as tech continues to grow and NYC’s other more traditional industries slow or even contract.

    High end talent goes where it can be employed by the best and have fluidity in movement (multiple high quality opportunities). Growth begets growth. That’s why Wall Street is Wall Street for finance, and Silicon Valley is Silicon Valley for tech.

    So LIC HQ2 is great news for all of metro NY. Those areas around ground zero will obviously experience the most immediate impact.

    For areas like NNJ of course no one is going to locate here and commute specifically to HQ2. The benefit is more long term. As the sector develops and expands in the city NNJ will get its usual share of the spillover. Companies that don’t even exist now will have offices in NYC in commuting distance along with all the ancillary support service providers. Another not insignificant benefit is that this type of LT development gives metro NY the ability to keep our young STEM talent here after they graduate college rather than suffer the ongoing brain drain out of this area of our brightest young adults.

    LIC, good for everyone including NNJ.

  58. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    It’ll drive prices down in Wayne…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

    Insanity. So somehow, nj won’t be impacted by the growth of the nyc economy, but brooklyn will. If you say so.

  59. 3b says:

    Left no argument from me on your analysis. It’s just not going to translate into big real estate gains across the entire nyc metro area and certainly not the hinterlands like Wayne and my town. It does demonstrate too in my mind that the revitalization of the urban /city living working is for real and is here to stay.

  60. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Years ago Wayne was a great place, but that was when there were lots of great corporate jobs between Wayne and Parsippany. Easy commute, reverse of everyone else. Those days are long gone. Pretty soon Wayne will be Roxbury, cheap suburban houses for people who can’t afford to live near the action.

  61. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Roxbury Township is a township in Morris County, New Jersey, United States. As of the 2010 United States Census, the township’s population was 23,324, reflecting a decline of 559 (-2.3%) from the 23,883 counted in the 2000 Census, which had in turn increased by 3,454 (+16.9%) from the 20,429 counted in the 1990 Census.

  62. 1987 Condo says:

    Electoral College- key component of our Republic. Faith that all 50 states have something to contribute. you never know when a state like North Dakota will bail out the nation from an energy crisis. But our Republic allows ND some control of that versus California voting to take it all for themselves.

    Note, it has only been about 100 years that people could even vote for US senators, most were selected by state legislatures, see 17th amendment.

    I am sure there must be true Democracy’s that are better choices to live in.

  63. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Anemic growth will soon be decline. I guess you could say Wayne will wain…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

    Wayne is a township in Passaic County, New Jersey, United States located less than 20 miles (32 km) from Midtown Manhattan, and is home to William Paterson University. As of the 2010 United States Census, the township had a total population of 54,717, reflecting an increase of 648 (+1.2%) from the 54,069 counted in the 2000 Census, which had in turn increased by 7,044 (+15.0%) from the 47,025 counted in the 1990 Census.

  64. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Residents of Washington D.C. have only been able to vote in presidential elections since 1964. Congress should rethink that one.

    Note, it has only been about 100 years that people could even vote for US senators, most were selected by state legislatures, see 17th amendment.

  65. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Wayne
    Area
    • Total 25.174 sq mi (65.202 km2)
    • Land 23.728 sq mi (61.458 km2)
    • Water 1.446 sq mi (3.746 km2) 5.75%
    Area rank 107th of 566 in state

    Roxbury
    Area
    • Total 21.888 sq mi (56.691 km2)
    • Land 20.827 sq mi (53.942 km2)
    • Water 1.061 sq mi (2.749 km2) 4.85%
    Area rank 128th of 566 in state

  66. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    NY taxpayers to pay $48,000 per Amazon HQ job

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/48k-per-amazon-hq-job

  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are we really comparing roxbury with Wayne? Really? How many major highways go through roxbury? How many major cities are located next to it? Does it have a train and bus to the city?

    Why don’t you go look up the stats on Wayne’s incomes. It’s one of the fastest growing communities in nj with incomes over 200,000. Number 9, I wonder why?

    https://www.nj.com/data/2018/07/these_28_nj_towns_are_booming_with_families_earning_200k_or_more.html

  68. Bystander says:

    Pat,

    ..and one person will continue to Wayn-k it regardless of data..at least after he finds that jeweler’s eye.

  69. Juice Box says:

    lol – Presidential harassment

  70. Gobsmacked says:

    Amazon’s impact on NNJ will be zero. And unless NJ Transit gets its act together, NYC as a tech hub will pass us by. Two hours on a train from central NJ to NYC is untenable.

  71. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Wayne population already receding, maybe Waynk population increasing?

    Wayne
    1990 47,025 1.2%
    2000 54,069 15.0%
    2010 54,717 1.2%
    Est. 2016 54,690 0.0%

    Roxbury
    1990 20,429 8.2%
    2000 23,883 16.9%
    2010 23,324 −2.3%
    Est. 2016 23,374 0.2%

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The state was better off just creating jobs no show jobs than giving this deal. They need to make a law that it is illegal to offer incentives to business. They are totally ripping off the American people by exploiting states/towns vs each other.

    “This is a staggering amount of money — about $1,800 per Wisconsin taxpayer — for a factory like this. The Foxconn plant will initially employ 3,000 workers, at a salary of about $54,000 a person. Even if the factory eventually increases its employment to 13,000 — as Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker has promised that it will — the cost per job created would be about $346,000. If the number of jobs turns out to be lower, the cost per job will be higher. Estimates that the state could break even on its investment by 2043 are almost certainly overoptimistic.”

    https://www.chicagobusiness.com/opinion/wisconsins-deal-foxconn-was-bad-they-come

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    November 13, 2018 at 12:53 pm
    NY taxpayers to pay $48,000 per Amazon HQ job

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/48k-per-amazon-hq-job

  73. GdBlsU45 says:

    I predict ocasio Cortez is indicted within theee years. She’s flashing all of the indicators that she’s for sale or looking for shake down cash at the very easy.

  74. 3b says:

    Gobsmacked no worries on that NJ transit will never get their act together. NYC has nothing to fear .

  75. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Wayne
    median household income was $100,638

    Roxbury
    median household income was $95,676

  76. 3b says:

    Actually it was better when US Senators were not elected.

  77. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Wayne
    The racial makeup of the township was
    86.07% (47,097) White
    2.28% (1,247) Black or African American
    0.09% (51) Native American
    8.18% (4,478) Asian
    0.02% (11) Pacific Islander
    1.80% (985) from other races
    1.55% (848) from two or more races
    Hispanic or Latino of any race were 7.92% (4,335) of the population.

    Roxbury
    The racial makeup of the township was
    88.21% (20,573) White
    2.34% (546) Black or African American
    0.09% (22) Native American
    5.77% (1,346) Asian
    0.05% (12) Pacific Islander
    1.55% (362) from other races
    1.99% (463) from two or more races
    Hispanic or Latino of any race were 8.93% (2,083) of the population

  78. D-FENS says:

    I predict Amazon LIC will result in more hobos and human feces on every sidewalk.

  79. Bystander says:

    Reading Seattle Times comments which is better than any article. Did you know Amazon has salary cap of $165k for all jobs? Sure, bonus and incentives could put you into rich strata but for regular workers, that is not creating many 1m places in Wayne.

  80. 3b says:

    Fast that is one butt ugly house!!

  81. 3b says:

    Does it back up to the parkway?

  82. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I predict that she’s not indicted but a multimillionaire by the end of her first term. Congress is the only job where you make $175k a year but somehow file taxes on 5 million a year.

  83. Fast Eddie says:

    925K for this eye sore. The owner’s gunt infiltrated her brain. Take a look at the beautiful interior:

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1836476&openhouse=true&dayssince=15&countysearch=false

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    She is an embarrassment. I have no idea how she got elected, but she did. Scary stuff.

    GdBlsU45 says:
    November 13, 2018 at 1:22 pm
    I predict ocasio Cortez is indicted within theee years. She’s flashing all of the indicators that she’s for sale or looking for shake down cash at the very easy.

  85. 3b says:

    925k for a cape ranch?

  86. Bystander says:

    Regardless, she’s a fiery, little tamale. Her communist naivety makes little Stalin salute.

  87. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    I’m searching for your dream home listed by your dream realtor. ;)

  88. Bystander says:

    My dream home might be next to Blumpkins. I could remove chunks of sideboard, paint half bright green, move appliances to front porch and hang Nascar flag. Top it off withloud dogs and 88 Fierro out front. Imagine coming home knowing neighbors head explodes thinking of his great, lost investment.

  89. Yo! says:

    NJT a few moments ago: “Train service in and out of Penn Station New York is suspended in both directions due to Portal Bridge being struck by a tug boat.”

  90. Grim says:

    Shit trumps progress.

    That works on so many levels.

  91. Yo! says:

    Was in Bay Area last week. Took BART several times in evening. Stations are filled with human garbage but train cars were less crowded than NJ Transit and PATH cars, and didn’t experience any delays. Everything on time to the minute.

  92. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Did you download the San Francisco app to avoid excrement on the street?

  93. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Wonder how they do it?

  94. D-FENS says:

    Waze app for turds? Brilliant

  95. Gobsmacked says:

    Truly lol’d reading that latest update from NJT.

  96. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    I’m taking train in on Thursday. Look for a fiery train wreck.

  97. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Exact same curb appeal as Pumps’ house. I can’t tell from the picture if it has the extra paving for rooming house borders like Pumps’, though. Much better location than Puamps.

    Who the f.uck would buy this house in this location?

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1825639&openhouse=true&dayssince=15&countysearch=false

  98. D-FENS says:

    Condos already selling like hotcakes in LIC according to WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/amazons-move-to-long-island-city-sparks-condo-frenzy-1542116117

    Even before Amazon.com Inc. decided to put a headquarters in Long Island City, the retail giant’s interest in the Queens neighborhood unleashed a condo gold rush.

    Amazon’s interest was made known scarcely a week ago, yet brokers say they are already selling units—sometimes sight-unseen—via text message. Others are renting vans and packing them full of clients eager to view multiple buildings, or holding group tours in Chinese.

  99. 3b says:

    Might have to take a stroll over to LIC.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Did you mention Portal Bridge? Why not just knock it down?

    “NJ Transit train service resumes with delays after tugboat strikes Portal Bridge.”

    https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/11/nj_transit_trains_delayed_after_tug_boat_strikes_p.html

  101. 3b says:

    NJ sinks further down to 3rd world infrastructure status.

  102. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Sheriff’s sale, had to be a 14 cat house or it would have been reno’d instead of torn down. $210,000 Sheriff’s sale price. It looks overgrown, but not bad on Google streetview, that’s why I’m guessing 14 cat house. I went to see one of those on the South Shore of Long Island. Price was too good to be true, open house FSBO during the week. When I got there on my lunch hour I was following a line of people up the walk who were just doing a 180 at the door and taking off. I figured the owner was turning them away. Nope. The smell was turning them away. 14 dog house. I went inside. I can’t un-see it.

    Who the f.uck would buy this house in this location?

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1825639&openhouse=true&dayssince=15&countysearch=false

  103. Juice Box says:

    Curbed says thousands of new apts going into LIC in additon to thousands already underway, image kayaking here?

    .curbed.com/2018/11/7/18072094/amazon-hq2-long-island-city-anable-basin

  104. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    …or un-smell it.

  105. 3b says:

    Last year for the Lord & Taylor Xmas windows. Just saying for anyone interested a nyc tradition comes to an end.

  106. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    With the massive (half-off!) LED bulb sale going on at Home Depot (MA only, I think, sponsored by local utility companies), I bought some more this weekend.

    OMG, these are the best chandelier bulbs ever! If you have a Lutron dimmer, you’ll love, love, love these Philips bulbs. $26 for a dozen, can’t beat it.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-60-Watt-Equivalent-B11-Dimmable-LED-Bent-Tip-Candle-Light-Bulb-Soft-White-3-Pack-477703/303967662

  107. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ^^^ I used these to replace 6 in a chandelier, 6 in 3 wall sconces. Our landlords probably spent a ton more putting in a dozen frosted torpedo fluorescent bulbs that non-dimmable, so the Lutron dimmers were worthless (unless you wanted to run a budget disco or cause seizures).

  108. Bruiser says:

    Grim @ 10:22 am, looks like you spoke too soon. A tug boat struck Portal. Service has resumed, but with delays as you could imagine.
    http://s.nj.com/EqgXT5c

  109. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I also had one of my dozen recessed, 20 month old BR30 kitchen LED bulbs go South this week. I emailed Feit for a warranty replacement, but I was able to buy a two pack for $4.95 at HD in the interim. The energy that will be saved when everybody has these, and it looks like soon, will dwarf any supposed energy savings from electric cars. OTOH, it might just result in all of the surplus energy needed to charge those cars.

  110. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I liked the line in the article about the Portal Bridge that it “frequently needs to be closed with sledge hammers.”

  111. Juice Box says:

    Just remember the new portal bridge will cost more than Giants/Jets Metlife stadium and won’t be completed for six more years.

  112. 3b says:

    Juice Seriously?!!

  113. Juice Box says:

    3b -how much more should be the question.

    It all depends on who you ask and how many concrete trucks go in the front gate loaded and out the back gate still loaded onto other projects.

    “The Portal Bridge was recently estimated at just over $1.5 billion. A spokeswoman for NJ Transit said that the cost estimate was revised up to $1.7 billion following a review by the Federal Transit Administration.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-jersey-to-borrow-more-to-help-pay-for-portal-bridge-replacement-1528932882

  114. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    And vis-à-vis The Sopranos, how many “no show” and how many “no work” jobs.

    It all depends on who you ask and how many concrete trucks go in the front gate loaded and out the back gate still loaded onto other projects.

  115. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps –
    1. Not everyone wants to live on a highway.
    2. Roxbury has the same access to major cities that Wayne does. The kind that takes longer, and longer, and longer to get there every passing year.
    3. Roxbury has the same train and bus access that Wayne has:
    THE KIND YOU OF BUS AND TRAIN ACCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO DRIVE YOUR CAR TO!!!…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

    Are we really comparing roxbury with Wayne? Really? How many major highways go through roxbury? How many major cities are located next to it? Does it have a train and bus to the city?

  116. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    BTW, highways through Roxbury are Route 46, Route 80, and you can substitute Route 10 for Route 23, except there is a lot more white collar jobs on Route 10 than there is on Route 23. There’s even some really overpriced houses that were probably bought by rubes like you, Pumps.

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  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Expat,

    I have stated numerous times on this blog that you want to try and stay inside of the rt 287 border in north jersey(I was told the big shots are planning to focus development within that 287 border in north jersey, aka every piece of land will be developed from 287 to Hudson River). Roxbury is a nice town and I have no problem with it, but it’s just too far out there. It’s no Wayne for these reasons.

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This must have been made for the haters like expat. 🤣🤣.

    Wayne is a gem, especially at current pricing, but continue to bash it if it makes you feel better

    “wayne nj
    A classy town that only poor, ghetto people dislike. Wayne has so much to offer, if you don’t like it, go away.

    Pretty much if you live in wayne, you’re rich.
    Damn, those people live in wayne nj, they must be LOADED. I wish I could be as cool as them!
    #rich#awesome#super#cool#fly
    by Wayne Lover February 18, 2011”

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wayne%20nj

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “In the two years since Prof. Schwab’s talk, those trends have gone into overdrive. The sudden ramp-up of technologies ranging from phone components to wireless networks to data centers points to a new kind of automation, more pervasive and smarter than ever before seen. It affects every industry, not just manufacturing, logistics or transportation, and is unique in the degree to which it is affecting white-collar as well as blue-collar workers.

    We’re either witnessing the end of work as we know it or “merely” a profound transformation of what jobs humans do. Either way, the economic and political ramifications are likely to be on par with the impact of the past 50 years of outsourcing and globalization.”

    https://apple.news/A5AEhP2ZZQRSYpZpYl3pJRA

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  121. Yo! says:

    http://filecache.mediaroom.com/mr5mr_trulia/186637/download/Metro-Level%20Data%20For%20Posting%20%26%20Sharing.xlsx

    Fewer million dollar homes in NJ metros. Massive West Coast outperformance. Majority of Bay Area homes worth $1 million plus.

  122. D-FENS says:

    Interesting point I heard made on the radio this morning regarding Amazon’s new HQ in LIC…

    Cuomo and Deblasio are now suddenly arguing in favor of trickle down economics.

  123. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    That’s not surprising. The left immediately threw away their mantra of tax cuts don’t attract business the second Amazon announced this competition.

  124. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That’s what polite people say about Wayne.

    Roxbury is a nice town and I have no problem with it, but it’s just too far out there.

  125. texting says:

    Too much discussion on some town called ‘Wayne’ on this forum. Can we not..

  126. Bruiser says:

    It’s scary when Cuomo, DiBlasio, and Pelosi become the Moderates of the Democrat party.

  127. Libturd says:

    Best part of Wayne is the Wayne Hills Mall!

  128. leftwing says:

    Good stats yo.

    wonder how they define Newark.

  129. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Looks like the inventory in some towns is getting tight. Not much out there.

    https://www.newjerseyluxuryrealestate.com/market-statistics/

  130. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So does the world class economy of NYC gain advantage here with much cheaper real estate prices? HMMM?

    This is exactly where I want to be in the next 20 years. You guys see the plans for penn station……going to be sick! New infrastructure coming, going to be a good time to be in the nyc area with all these improvements coming.

    https://commercialobserver.com/2018/09/cuomo-unveils-new-penn-station-renovation-plans-and-33rd-street-entrance/

    Yo! says:
    November 14, 2018 at 6:45 am
    http://filecache.mediaroom.com/mr5mr_trulia/186637/download/Metro-Level%20Data%20For%20Posting%20%26%20Sharing.xlsx

    Fewer million dollar homes in NJ metros. Massive West Coast outperformance. Majority of Bay Area homes worth $1 million plus.

  131. PumpkinFace says:

    “…but [Cuomo] didn’t elaborate on how, exactly, the state would gather funding.”

    hahahaha

  132. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    “…but [Cuomo] didn’t elaborate on how, exactly, the state would gather funding.”

    hahahaha

    Simple. $50 to go through the Holland or Lincoln Tunnel.

  133. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They will find a way to pay for all this infrastructure. Last resort, they will claim it’s an issue of nation security. Nyc economy falls off a cliff, so does the national economy.

  134. Libturd...look me up in Costa Rica says:

    Why don’t you sell your Tiger Wood railings and pay for it?

  135. PumpkinFace says:

    The same way they found a way to fund Gateway? Which will be completed 40 years after construction begins. Yippee

  136. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s obvious Gateway will be funded….you are just watching the game of politics at play. Trump does not want to go down in history as the guy who destroyed the nyc economy.

  137. 3b says:

    It’s end of year holidays approaching of course inventory is light!!

  138. Phoenix says:

    With all of this Amazon talk it reminded me of a picture posted here of Bezos with the logo as his member. Please repost it.

  139. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps has absolutely no idea how stupid he is or how stupid he sounds…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

  140. D-FENS says:

    GDP growth by state:

    https://twitter.com/SecretaryRoss/status/1062729662969925632

    NJ: 3.4% Growth…

    All States Grew!

  141. Juice Box says:

    re: “Majority of Bay Area homes worth $1 million plus.”

    I have friends that live in the Bay Area near Cupertino, they were able to acquire their home from her parents for a very very good when they got married. Both are teachers. This is what 2.2 million gets you now, a late 60’s ranch…..

    https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Cupertino-CA/19633214_zpid/4281_rid/globalrelevanceex_sort/37.355899,-121.990386,37.250485,-122.141448_rect/12_zm/

  142. Juice Box says:

    re: Amazon logo = member.

    at least it’s not the Box 3 Signature Edition

  143. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    All this you can’t lose it all talk from Pumps is ironic given that we have entire towns burning down in California right now.

  144. Yo! says:

    Moody’s analysis: “With continued investment in NJ Transit essential to the state’s long-term economic growth, the state will need to divert funds from other programs or issue more debt to support both the system’s deferred maintenance and large and complex improvements like the Gateway Project.”

    Cap ex per ride, 3 year average
    NJT $0.89
    New York MTA $2.04
    San Francisco MTA $2.17
    Washington MTA $2.51

    Higher taxes and fares on the way for NJ.

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What happened to the Tappan Zee bridge? All this back and forth bs, but when it came down to it, they got it done. If these tunnels fail, you will see the fastest construction project completed in U.S. history. Guaranteed!!

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    November 14, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    Pumps has absolutely no idea how stupid he is or how stupid he sounds…if you don’t think what I say is true, you are ignorant.

  146. leftwing says:

    “This is what 2.2 million gets you now, a late 60’s ranch…..”

    Classic end of cycle pricing. Hitting the end of a record economic and market run mostly driven by tech the vast majority of which is in a 20 mile corridor that encompasses this property.

    Most stock options written since Spring 2017 in that area are back at par from huge paper gains. Another leg down in the market and these people realize that paper wealth is not for real until cashed out. Housing then comes back in line.

    Easy to write big checks when it’s monopoly money. When you actually need to pony up real dollars for the houses on Boardwalk, different story.

  147. leftwing says:

    But Ex….in 20 years NYC is going to be great and the place to be!

    C’mon, where else can you get pearls of wisdom like that?

  148. Gobsmacked says:

    Re: new Penn Station

    First, we will all be dead before it is finished.
    Second, just imagine what the commute into Manhattan will be like while this takes place.

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  151. hobojoe says:

    And there is going to be a toll increase of at least 100% to help pay for it as soon as they are legally able to raise them the year after next.

    What happened to the Tappan Zee bridge? All this back and forth bs, but when it came down to it, they got it done.

  152. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Have you watched any construction project? They drag it out for years and go over budget purposely to maximize the payout.

  153. ExEssex says:

    Retro Fitness Mogul’s mansion hits auction block.

    Property taxes for the home are $41,324. The home was last assessed for just under $3 million, according to Zillow.

    Casaburi, and his wife, Kimberly, bought the home for $2.8 million in 2008, the year the home was built, according to property records.

  154. joyce says:

    Yes sir. Only governments, corrupt and/or incompetent (is there another kind), agree to “cost plus” contracts.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    November 14, 2018 at 8:35 pm
    Have you watched any construction project? They drag it out for years and go over budget purposely to maximize the payout.

  155. Juice Box says:

    Grim – I know the guy incharge of the Bergen County sludge barge. -no-how they give an extra shit about the shit barge. Pony up the 1.7 Billion…

  156. Juice Box says:

    leftwing – when people start mentioning “paper wealth is not for real” I get antsy and want to put chips on the table..

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