C19 Open Discussion Week 12c

New Jersey is going to mortgage your house to pay for Coronavirus. From Law360:

NJ $5B Bond Bill Includes Statewide Property Tax Trigger

A New Jersey bill advancing in the Assembly would allow the state to issue $5 billion in bonds to cover shortfalls caused by the COVID-19 pandemic and would trigger property tax increases if the borrowing can’t be paid back.

The bill, A.B. 4175, would allow the state to issue up to $5 billion in general obligation bonds and authorize an unrestricted amount of short-term borrowing from sources that include the federal government. Sponsored by Assembly Member Eliana Pintor Marin, D-Newark, the bill was passed on Monday by the Assembly Budget Committee on a 9-4 vote. The bill would create the New Jersey COVID-19 Emergency Bond Act, and it is scheduled for a vote in the Assembly on Thursday. 

If the state didn’t have the funds to meet interest, premium or other payments on the bonds, a tax on real and personal property would be assessed and levied annually in every municipality to pay the bonds, the bill said.

The tax would be assessed, levied and collected in the same way and at the same time other real and personal property taxes were made, the bill said. The tax would be paid to county treasurers by Dec. 15 annually and sent to the state treasurer by Dec. 20.

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366 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 12c

  1. Yo! says:

    Surely future NJ state governments will manage the state’s financial affairs in a way so property tax increases are not triggered.

    Does the state still have the leaky 2% cap on property tax increases?

  2. D-FENS says:

    Call your legislator today. Call them over and over again unless you enjoy property tax hikes..

    https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/members/legsearch.asp

  3. grim says:

    Criminal fiscal mismanagement.

    Where are the layoffs? Where are the budget cuts?

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    A massive trunk of one of my oak trees destroyed 24 feet of cedar stockade fence and a PVC gate entrance last night in that storm. Don’t know if the tree itself can be saved. It’s enormous, well over a hundred feet. It looks like lightening struck the base of the trunk that sheared off, halfway up. Not really sure yet. The money pit continues!!

  5. Fast Eddie says:

    Where are the layoffs? Where are the budget cuts?

    But… but… what about the children!

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The beginning of this video is a farce. Their schools are funded less? Well, not in nj, and most African Americans still don’t do well because they simply don’t value an education. Can’t blame themselves for that, though, have to blame racism which is not cool. A lot of people paying a ton of money so asbury park can have the highest per pupil cost in the state. Yes, that’s so racist and it’s holding them back.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=YrHIQIO_bdQ

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    She’s reasonable, compelling and speaks the truth:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4BveH3iTFM

  8. Juice Box says:

    Initial jobless claims for regular state programs totaled 1.88 million in the week ended May 30, Labor Department figures showed Thursday, down from 2.13 million the prior week. It was the first reading below 2 million since the coronavirus-related layoffs began en masse in mid-March.

    Continuing claims — the total number of Americans receiving unemployment benefits — increased to 21.5 million in state programs the week ended May 23, compared with analyst estimates for a decline.

  9. 3b says:

    An article in Marketwatch this morning on NYC not bouncing back from the pandemic. Corporate heads looking at all the savings from having WFH. Productivity has increased. NYC s life blood is corporate real estate taxes.

  10. 3b says:

    Fast She was compelling. It should make the Chris Cuomos and Dom Lemons uncomfortable.

  11. Juice Box says:

    At this point we need real leadership. Biden and AOC should team up.

    The solution to the now unfunded budget deficits and the current national spending crisis is to vote for Biden and the rest of the Democratic slate in the House and Senate. With a super-majority they will pass a massive bailout for the States. Think of it, the initial 3 Trillion the house passed weeks ago is peanuts. If they can pass that much spending then they can do what is really needed a National bailout. All debt from the States and local governments should be taken off their balance sheets, fully funded schools, pensions, bike paths, green energy programs for free electricity, heck electric cars for everyone ban fossil fuel use entirely, and while they are at it universal income of $2000 a week to strum your guitar, write your book, build your dream business of selling bling on Ebay or just some startup money to wander the world to be an instagram star.

    They should call it the NDOA Act or the ” National Do Over Act” known affectionately as the National Death of America Act.

    I hope you all like being poor. I have been there, ain’t so bad as long as the rent is paid.

  12. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    A 10 and 12 year old were shot in a drive by in Trenton. A Yahoo! Aggregator picked up the story but otherwise no one in the fake news industry cares.

    That is the saddest part about where the latest hoax is headed. When policing becomes more sparse, there will be more crime.

  13. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The cultishness is the left had advanced dramatically. New rituals and demonstrations of purity of cause. You also must conform 100% with the entire agenda or you are outcast and ostracized. If possible you’ll be defamed and destroyed.

    Alarming at the least to see the abandonment of practically every possibility of nuance or balance in the big picture. You’re either with us 100% no questions asked or room for dissent or you are against us.

  14. Fabius Maximus says:

    And Rudy looses the plot.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1268474463705862145

    While there is a lot I cant stand about Morgan, his recent performances holding the UK gvmt accountable have been outstanding.

  15. Fabius Maximus says:
  16. Bystander says:

    Faux,

    ..and your Orange clown fell for the hoax..hook , line and sinker. Mission accomplished. He destroyed the economy over virus hoax and now our unemployment / social unrest hoax will finish off his presidency. Rope a dope.

  17. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I literally thought it was a tornado the way it sounded like a freight train. It plowed through my property and knocked over all kinds of plants. There is mulch stuck to my siding 20 ft up. Lasted about 30 seconds. Took a tree down and blocked the neighborhood in. My neighbor and I took it apart with the chainsaws.

    The riots in Trenton were squashed very quickly and didn’t pick up again. My guess is, you don’t have the media sitting in front of the people throwing crap acting as human shields. They have been very obnoxious when the police tell them to move as if they are supposed to be allowed to have any camera angle they want.

  18. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    I knew TDS was a real thing but even I underestimated the lengths these people would go. Killing shooting cops. Firebombing. Murdering old men protecting a friends business. Billions in economic damage. Destruction of the urban landscape. All collateral damage in pursuit of political power.

  19. 3b says:

    Candace Owens being vilified today, no surprise. Isn’t it racist to think that all Black people should think the same, act the same, have the same opinion? When this dies down, the outraged so called liberals will go back to their lily white neighborhoods, with a dash of Asian to be diversified, and resume their quiet racism.

    In the meantime the media,CNN, Fox, CNBC will continue on with their mission to destroy this country.

  20. 3b says:

    My Sister in the Bronx and all her neighbors , White, Black, and Brown, were out in force protecting their neighborhood from people who intended to destroy it.

  21. Bystander says:

    Yes, Faux. Operation TDS worked. Our deep state leader has finally surfaced.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUC1fkjzaV4

  22. Juice Box says:

    3B – Bronx is going back to it’s natural state.

    East Fordham Road near Morris Avenue made the news!

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/naked-man-pummeled-in-the-bronx-after-charging-pedestrians-video/

  23. 3b says:

    Juice Yeah I saw that , poor Fordham Rd. My Mom used to take us shopping there in Alexander’s back in the day. In my Sisters neighborhoods in Pelham Bay no problems there, the people out in force. Same thing in Throggs Neck, Country Club,and, City Island.

  24. Fabius Maximus says:

    Yea, its all due to the Anitfa boogeymen.

    https://apnews.com/6223153093f08fa910c4ab445771b773

  25. Juice Box says:

    Weekly unemployment benefits paid by US Treasury are now $24 Billion, critics say the $600 weekly payment on top of unemployment is a disincentive to look for work, and they do not plan to renew it when it expires next month.

    A New Plan is now “back-to-work bonus” proposed by Ohio Senator Rob Portman.

    The plan would offer a $450 weekly benefit to each returning worker in addition to their salary -– mirroring the top-up for jobless benefits.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/u-s-economy-is-too-hooked-on-benefits-for-congress-to-pull-plug

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    The left is really useless. They feed on ignorance, poverty and lesser intelligence like locusts… fueling their agenda and moving on to the next crisis using human shields. That’s the real story that the media barely talks about. And their defense is always Trump (insert here).

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    Biden telling Trump to read the bible while endorsing ab0rtion.

    Priceless.

  28. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ve always maintained that unemployment should be based off of a decay function. Whatever you are collecting, subtract $25 a week so you get $100 less each month. I don’t even care if they initially paid more on the front end to keep the overall total payments the same. But there has to be a clear motivation to get a job again.

    There was a woman begging outside home depot a few weeks ago. Now, I know, she’s likely a scammer. A lot of them commute from NYC to beg here on a daily basis. But she does so right in front of the “Now Hiring sign”.

  29. Juice Box says:

    Here is Joe Biden’s opinion on the rioters and looters.

    “It Doesn’t Matter if they’re Victims of Society”

    In other words Joe Biden said Black Lives Don’t matter.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=TFXDhw20gdo&feature=emb_logo

  30. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Not looking good for most politicians if they want to start quoting the big book of bad ideas.

    “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

  31. 3b says:

    Fab So it’s all right wing nationalists and not ANTIFA? Or could it be a combination of both? Is that possible? Meanwhile my Sister in the Bronx was out with her neighbors with her multi ethnic and multi racial neighbors protecting their homes and businesses, while you are sitting in suburbia fretting about a swimming pool.

  32. Bystander says:

    BRT,

    Your first thought should be “gee, that person might be mentally ill for standing with that sign”. There is a guy “homeless vet” who stands everyday at entrance to 9. He does that for hours in 80-90 degree heat. That takes some will power and I think the game is sympathy, not money. Simply pointing to a hiring sign won’t get the job done in Randian dream world.

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    But she does so right in front of the “Now Hiring sign”.

    Unless one is disabled, the easiest thing in the world is to make money. One can work 80 hours per week and make money. I like making money… I actually like working and feeling productive. I just don’t get it.

  34. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Your first thought should be “gee, that person might be mentally ill for standing with that sign”. There is a guy “homeless vet” who stands everyday at entrance to 9. He does that for hours in 80-90 degree heat. That takes some will power and I think the game is sympathy, not money. Simply pointing to a hiring sign won’t get the job done in Randian dream world.

    There’s a difference between a homeless vet and a 30 year old woman claiming she needs food for her two kids. It’s a well known fact in my town that in this particular shopping center, a guy from NYC drops women off of beg each day and picks them up at night. This is a business, and a lucrative one at that if they are willing to pay all the tolls and gas to get here on a daily basis.

    I donate to our local food bank and volunteer at soup kitchens. I can tell the difference between someone in a situation they don’t know how to get out of and a con artist. It’s not that hard.

  35. joyce says:

    What a buffoon

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Absolutely. Good amount of the population just doesn’t want to work, let’s be real.

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 4, 2020 at 10:23 am
    But she does so right in front of the “Now Hiring sign”.

    Unless one is disabled, the easiest thing in the world is to make money. One can work 80 hours per week and make money. I like making money… I actually like working and feeling productive. I just don’t get it.

  37. D-FENS says:

    Funniest sign I ever saw held by a homeless guy said “Give me money or I’ll vote for Trump”. I think he did pretty well with that.

  38. Juice Box says:

    3b – re :Antifa

    Would you believe the simplest explanation is true? Occam’s razor

    It’s all LARPing.

    ANTIFA are just a bunch bored white kids, after three months of being shut in during the corona virus “shelter in place” aka lock-down stuck at home with parents and now tired of playing video games and eating chicken nuggets they found an escape…..

    Sadly to them it’s a role playing fantasy game.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AnticommieCringe/comments/a02ej5/antifa_are_just_a_bunch_of_larping_white_kids/

    The one’s that were not arrested all went home to the safety of their parents home, left the cities and are back to gaming again.

    There is probably a online gamer usage chart somewhere that will correlate this too.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander, Essex, et. al,

    Check out this guitar player. He’s amazing…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVA-lUsvqg

  40. Bystander says:

    People who don’t want to get up to work certainly won’t have ambition to map out Home depot hot spots. Also, Ed, do you really believe everyone who says they are homeless vets are actually so? The handout crowd you hate are ones who take Welfare, food stamps and work in Abbott districts as horrible teachers collecting fat pensions. The ones with a cardboard sign, standing in the heat are the most ambitious of the bunch.

  41. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    D-Fens: Best Reply

    Replying to
    @DigitalForests
    and
    @TABYTCHI
    The answer should have been ‘hey, I know how to get the message out even better -lets spray paint BLM on your car, then more ppl can see it!’
    No? Why not?

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bystander,

    The the ones with a cardboard sign…you are funny. Most are substance abusers and would rather give up their life than their drugs and alcohol.

    I had two guys that were construction workers living in one of my apartments when I first bought. Around 2003, they decided to become full blown alcoholics who are somehow still alive and are local bums on the border of Passaic and Clifton.

    They destroyed my apartment. Gave me a good learning experience in my first couple years of being a landlord.

    If someone not speaking a word of English, in the country Illegally, can find a job as opposed to holding the cardboard sign…keep making excuses for people’s bad choices.

  43. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I already said it’s a business, and there is clearly someone mapping out the routes. It’s the guy dropping them off. He invests in the vehicle, pays the tolls, and plans the routes. But the girls give him his money and he probably takes home 10x what they do, like any other boss. A lot of these girls were brought in from Eastern Europe.

    https://www.nj.com/union/2019/03/nj-cops-warn-of-panhandling-scam-group-after-catching-woman-with-sign-seeking-cash-to-help-baby.html

    There’s a similar thing going on with Asians as well. I’ve seen them in various places but mostly in Boston. The fake Buddhist monks. They walk up to you, put a stupid bracelet on your arm, and ask you to sign their book and make a donation. They’ll up front ask for $20. And try to see what they can get out of you.

  44. Juice Box says:

    There are also a few out there gaming the system. Collecting unemployment, collecting the extra $600 a week and working off the books. I give them credit for gaming the system (who doesn’t like free money) as it’s about to end next month as the Senate will not vote to extend the extra $600 a week and well the States unemployment funds are quickly running dry. I hope they saved up..

  45. SomeOne says:

    Eddie, you mention how the Trump economy showered a lot of money on you. Complaining about clearing up one tree?

  46. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    Wow, the whining here this morning is at an all-time high.

    I emailed my legislatures to no avail. This bill will pass. Borrowing from the future always does. And Wall Street wins again. The more bonds created, the more your tax dollars go to Wall Street. But fear not, the longer you are willing to become indentured to Wall Street, the lower your monthly nut will be.

    Guys (and gals), enough with the hoaxes and conspiracies.

    Juice, history speaks very differently than your predictions of massive deficit spending by the blue team. I don’t remember you complaining during the near trillion corporate giveaway during the greatest economy ever.

    Fake News,

    You are deaf to the BLM cause and your shallow attempts to compare drug/gang homicides to systemic racism in the thin blue line is the exact reason these protests are occurring. Read this. I dare you to. https://www.facebook.com/notes/neil-degrasse-tyson/reflections-on-the-color-of-my-skin/10158481422496613/ I hope the author has made it public.

    In our lily-white burb, someone has created an amazing Facebook group where neighbors have pledged not to be ostracized for posting. No one is a bigger supporter of our police department as well as the PBA as they were an incredible help to us during D’s medical debacle. And I won’t take their get out-of-jail free cards and placards. But there is definitely some serious amounts of profiling going on here, which I always heard about, but never witnessed more than an excessive amount of DWBs. You should see the stories I’m reading on this site. Feel free to join. It’s called Glen Ridge Public Forum. If it’s happening here. It’s happening there. These stories have always been buried under the guise of civility.

    Gary,
    Trump pretending to be pro-life is funnier than Biden trying to tell Trump anything.

    And yes, the Dems are pretty bad too. I will not argue that their goal is power, to enrich themselves as well.

    But Trump is on an entirely different level than any American politician I’ve seen before. I said he was PT Barnum before the election. And it has been the greatest show on earth.

  47. Fast Eddie says:

    Someone,

    LOL. Complaining? No, stating, not complaining. It sucks when you walk outside and 24 feet of fence and a PVC gate are reduced to splinters. Good thing no one was hurt.
    Holy shit, keyboard warriors are frustrated people. I’d say angry but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.

  48. Bystander says:

    So illegals are revered now when compared to homeless citizens? I thought we were building a wall to keep them from stealing our jobs? Which right wing argument applies here? So confusing. Nothing wrong with weed and alcohol. Sounds like you failed bk check.

    BRT,

    I know there are legit scams. You are probably right. Give them credit though. Pretty elaborate and that is how capitalism works. I’ve been sold on the ‘poor baby’ in business world too. Right now, Wipro screwed our fixed price migration deal and wants more money. They want as well be holding card board sign with ‘no money. please help’. Calls are ridiculous.

    Ed,

    Legit. Listening to Have a Cigar now. Heard of these guys and hope to catch them at festival if any occur again.

  49. Fast Eddie says:

    By,

    They do a lot of covers that sound amazing.

    The guitarist and bass player are lights out!

  50. Phoenix says:

    “Eddie, you mention how the Trump economy showered a lot of money on you. Complaining about clearing up one tree?”

    Some work is more equal than other work.

  51. Hold my beer says:

    Alexander’s . That’s a name from the past. I remember going to Gimbels in Manhattan. I think the gimbels building was turned into a mall

  52. Libturd says:

    You should never ever give money directly to a beggar unless you know them personally. Otherwise, offer a sandwich or a coffee. Give at the food pantry. Nine out of ten beggars are working. In many cases, making nearly as much as you do. Which is why they will be out there in all kinds of weather and with incredible consistency. If you want to help the homeless, give to a shelter or a pantry.

  53. leftwing says:

    “The cultishness is the left had advanced dramatically. New rituals and demonstrations of purity of cause. You also must conform 100% with the entire agenda or you are outcast and ostracized.”

    From a local TapInto from yesterday regarding an event scheduled for tomorrow…..

    To have a unity event in your town it apparently must first pass muster with black leadership and if you are not deemed pure enough you are ostracized into cancelling your town’s event until you attend a “Truth and Reconciliation” action.
    Direct quote, upper case and all.

    Modern day liberalism is a mental disorder.

    https://imgur.com/a/EpvYUjO

  54. Libturd, reminiscing says:

    HMB, my grandfather was Gimbel’s head accountant for awhile and worked out of Times Square back in the DS retail heyday. He also worked for Capone in his early days. He’s the one I wrote about here ages ago, who used to fly to California from NY in the early days of air travel. It was ten stops and he often flew with the mail. So many amazing stories, but none better than the stranger who gave a 30-minute eulogy at his funeral about how grateful “the family” was for his services and the amazing history he had with them. I kid you not. He kept most of this stuff on the down low. Never said more than that he used to work his books when I was growing up. He died when I was in college. Just the absolutely craziest funeral ever. Wish I knew more about him. He was friends with the Reagan’s too.

  55. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    “The cultishness is the left had advanced dramatically”

    Sure.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/468623-faith-leaders-pray-for-trump-at-the-white-house

  56. ExEssex says:

    Gordon always on key: https://youtu.be/bNF-gSsel5M

  57. ExEssex says:

    And a few years back: https://youtu.be/vI16L8q5O0s

    Red Shea was a fine fine player.

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    Essex,

    Gordon Lightfoot! I discovered him as a tyke when rummaging through my oldest brother’s albums when he was out of the house. ‘The Very Best of Gordon Lightfoot’ (was) is the name of the album.

  59. SomeOne says:

    Bystander,

    illegals are revered now when compared to homeless citizens

    Nothing compared to 2A people wanting military helicopters shooting at unarmed protestors because they marched in a march where some “Antifa” was also marching. And cheering the idea of the President forcefully wanting to sending military into states that do not want them there. Some of them were probably horrified that US conducted military exercises (Jade Helm in 2015).

    There’s similar stuff on the left too. Hillary sponsored a “no flag burning” bill that was correctly shut down by McConnell. Politicians are almost always crooks and two faced, but when regular Joes behave that way with families, friends, and people they know through GTGs and such, it starts getting a bit challenging. My party, right or wrong, no matter what, on every issue. Like a sports fan cheering fouls made by his team while booing great plays by the opposing team.

    Here’s something curious (link: https://www.texastribune.org/2018/05/03/hysteria-over-jade-helm-exercise-texas-was-fueled-russians-former-cia-/):

    A former director of the CIA and NSA said Wednesday that hysteria in Texas over a 2015 U.S. military training exercise called Jade Helm was fueled by Russians wanting to dominate “the information space,”…

  60. Juice Box says:

    Back to Covid19

    Something to consider as the young people are out protesting and sometime having impromptu dance party’s as we have all seen for the last week.

    Last month it was reported that Korea’s success at containing the virus was threatened by hundreds of party goers who descended upon a neighborhoods popular with young South Koreans to party.

    More than More than 100 people have tested positive out of some 5,500 may have visited bars in a few Korean neighborhoods.

    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200512000586

    Will we see a clusters and spikes of Covid19 soon?

  61. joyce says:

    Politicians are almost always crooks and two faced, but when regular Joes behave that way with families, friends, and people they know through GTGs and such, it starts getting a bit challenging. My party, right or wrong, no matter what, on every issue. Like a sports fan cheering fouls made by his team while booing great plays by the opposing team.

    Exactly. It’s embarrassing. I don’t understand how otherwise intelligent people act this way.

  62. 3b says:

    Gimbels on 86 was one of the last if not last Gimbels stores built, and it lasted less than 20 years. Too downscale for upper east side crowd, and too upscale for East Harlem residents. It was torn down for coop apartments. A friend of mine bought one years ago
    And still lives there.

  63. 3b says:

    Joyce: That’s why intelligent people should stay home. Left/Right, it’s a joke.

  64. SomeOne says:

    leftwing

    If you see the broader context of the tweet, it starts with a note that Chatam community has an ugly history of racism and remains a segregated community, and talks about 2% black population vs 18% of black arrests. It asks/demands that the lead of the Unity March (presumably in response to George Floyd shooting) should be the black community or simply not do it because it will cause more harm than good for the cause.

    Do you think that degree of caution is unreasonable?

  65. Juice Box says:

    Now that the distraction of the week has subsided, our new normal means main st does not return, it may be too late already, so the Feds Helicopters are going to make another money drop stating this week.

    There may be no recovery for small businesses. Money must change hands and it isn’t folks.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

    It also means the Helicopter drops will fail, toss another 600 Billion onto the fire it’s only printed money anyway.

    “600 Billion dollar four-year loans that they don’t have to start paying back for a year. Lenders will be able to make money while offloading most of the risk of default to the Fed — which will purchase up to 95 percent of each loan”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/02/fed-reserve-main-street-program-297149

  66. joyce says:

    Nonsense. There’s nothing wrong with protesting.

    3b says:
    June 4, 2020 at 12:11 pm
    Joyce: That’s why intelligent people should stay home. Left/Right, it’s a joke.

  67. SomeOne says:

    Lib @11:36,

    I will give you a pass because you may not know much about New Testament.

    There must be something about rich mega churches, private jets, and all that.

  68. Juice Box says:

    Joyce I agree wholeheartedly, Gandhi and Martin Luther king led the way and showed the power of peaceful protest.

    Well that power has been taken away.

    When “protestors” do something like this across from the White House, all hell breaks loose.

    https://www.today.com/news/look-damage-inside-historic-st-john-s-church-washington-dc-t182954

    Imaging if the church turned into an inferno and all of the surrounding buildings were also torched?

    Next time they may not be able to put out the fire….that is when people should really worry.

  69. Juice Box says:

    Manhattan District Attorney CY Vance wants to fill up the jails. I would say his days as DA are coming to a quick retirement aka firing.

    Amid NYC Violence, Manhattan DA Asks Gov. Cuomo To Use Emergency Powers To Enable Judges To Hold Looters On Bail

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/06/03/new-york-bail-reform-laws-george-floyd-protests-andrew-cuomo-cy-vance/#.XtieNApSYqw.twitter

  70. 3b says:

    Joyce: I have no problem with protesting. I meant stay home on Election Day.

  71. 30 year realtor says:

    Signs you live in a third-world sh*t hole:
    Segments of a largely uneducated populace believe the regime’s leader to be the the living incarnation of god, or at least have a divine purpose.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/03/12/about-a-third-in-u-s-see-gods-hand-in-presidential-elections-but-fewer-say-god-picks-winners-based-on-policies/

  72. 3b says:

    With the rent/mortgage moratorium, how does that get paid back? How long to pay it back? Seems to me they will have to extend unemployment benefits.

  73. SomeOne says:

    3b, isn’t low voter participation already a big problem in the country? Wouldn’t it make more sense for someone to look at candidates carefully and vote based on specific issues (locally, state, and federal separately)?

  74. 3b says:

    The movement to defund police departments which used to be a leftist fantasy is apparently growing across the US.

    Univ of Minn Is ending its relationship with the police. as is the Minneapolis school board. There are calls for massive cuts in NYC s, LA ‘s and Philly s police budgets. LA already cutting 150 million from its budget, but BLM LA want only 5.7 percent of the general fund spent on law enforcement. It seems like it’s all coming undone.

  75. 3b says:

    Some: I mean specifically on the national level, look at the two choices we have?? As for the state, nothing there either the corruption and special interests dominate there. As for local, yes but limited effect there.

  76. Juice Box says:

    30 year – Jokes on them, it’s actually the devil that picks the winner.

  77. Hold my beer says:

    Lib

    6 degrees of separation at play. Think of all the famous people your grandfather met or people he knew had contact with

  78. Juice Box says:

    3b – “defund police departments” 1970s NYC is coming back…..

    History Rhymes – Ford told New York to drop dead.

    “On a Tuesday in mid-May of 1975, Abraham Beame and Hugh Carey—New York City’s mayor and governor—arrived at the White House to meet with President Gerald Ford. The news they brought was not good: New York City was experiencing a severe cash shortage, and without help, the city would not be able to cover its bills much longer. Beame described a recent demonstration of CUNY students outside of Gracie Mansion; Carey warned that serious retrenchment might mean the collapse of civil peace. The president listened and then said that he needed twenty-four hours to think it over. (“24 hours. Must do what’s right. Bite bullet,” he wrote on a note- pad, probably before the meeting even happened.) The next day, Ford told Beame and Carey that there was nothing the federal government could prudently do to help. The city would have to solve its problems on its own.

    Throughout the rest of the year, New York would flirt with default on its massive loans, scrambling to patch together one plan after another, each intended to save the city from declaring bankruptcy while cutting back on the social and municipal services it provided.”

    https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/legacy-1970s-fiscal-crisis/

  79. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Turd, it’s not the injustice that’s a hoax, it’s the reaction.

    A habitual criminal suspect is killed in police custody and there is a coordinated uproar calling for reform, civil disobedience and poltical participatin, for the left of course.

    An innocent is killed walking down the street, or children are shot and there is almost no reaction by the fake news and grievance industries.

    Without the political advancement, the reaction is completely different. That’s a hoax.

  80. Libturd says:

    The seventies sucked. Well besides slot cars.

  81. Libturd says:

    The cop stepped on his neck until he stopped breathing.

    Innocents get caught in the crossfire in this country more than anywhere else in the world. But gangbusters and drug dealers are not paid (often handsomely) to enforce the law and maintain the peace.

  82. leftwing says:

    “Do you think that degree of caution is unreasonable?”

    Gee, Someone, I really don’t even know where to start on your question….

    Do you think it unreasonable that a community wishes to have an event in their town amongst themselves only to be told by an outside group that it is not ‘valid’ and can’t be so unless they go to “Truth and Reconciliation” camp and let someone else run the event?

    Can we not honor veterans without being one? Honor 9/11 without actually having escaped the towers ourselves? Honor Firefighters without being one?

    And without going to “Truth and Reconciliation” camp?

    By what right do they presume to hijack my free will and expression and impose their own? At least most of their cohorts attempt to do so while saying they’re not…These bastards aren’t even trying to hide the fact.

    And whatsoever do you mean by ‘caution’? Caution of what? What are you implying?

    Lastly, please don’t quote the 2%/18% numbers as support….without any further information there is literally nothing than can be concluded. You put yourself on the intellectual level of the authors if you use them.

  83. Libturd says:

    There are systemic issues with the thin blue line. There needs to be reform.

  84. Walking says:

    Blue RT- The eastern Europeans you speak of are known as Roma in France /Spain, or in eastern europe as Czigany (which translates to gypsy or trickster). They moved from town to town according to my ancestors throughout Europe. I have often wondered if my family had some in them as some of my family have a Indian features.

  85. Walking says:

    ancestors = family members, I was going in a different direction and lost my train of thought.

  86. SomeOne says:

    leftwing,

    Chatham group can do what it wants, the BLM laid down conditions, and Chatham group can still go ahead. What is the outrage for?

    You seem to think that Truth and Reconciliation is a punitive/accusative phrase. It is not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_truth_and_reconciliation_commissions

  87. 3b says:

    Lib: There needs to be reform, but I suspect if this police defunding movement really happens. The poor hardworking law abiding people will suffer, they always do.

  88. 3b says:

    Juice NYC going back to the bad old days!! History often repeats!!

  89. ExEssex says:

    Cod pieces coming back in 2020:

    https://youtu.be/MZjAantupsA

  90. joyce says:

    Sorry for the snap reaction.

    3b says:
    June 4, 2020 at 12:45 pm
    Joyce: I have no problem with protesting. I meant stay home on Election Day.

  91. 3b says:

    Joyce: No worries.

  92. Libturd says:

    3b,

    Didn’t I recently reminisce about those days? At least I’ll be able to get to my office again without dodging tourists like a game of Frogger.

    Though, I don’t think my company is in any rush for us to return to the office. For us, the WFH thing looks like it’s going to stick for many of us.

  93. What’s the answer? says:

    So what is the end game here? What exactly do the lefty protestors want? I asked a few days ago, but no logical answer.

    What does the white community have to do to end this? Give up their jobs, houses, and neighborhoods? Wear t-shirts that same I’m racist on the front and white privileged on the back? Shirts that say white people are evil and responsible for all the hardships African Americans are feeling in their life?

    My questions might sound outrageous, but the cops have been arrested and charged. What more can anyone else do? How can you paint this brush of racism across an entire race? What is the avg white individual doing that makes them racist? Just trying to live and survive gets you caught up in some racism movement based on the color of your skin? How many times does the average white individual in small town America even come in contact with African Americans? How can they be harming the African American community with their racism when they don’t even come in contact with them? What am I missing here?

    It’s wrong to paint a brush across an entire race of people, so why are we doing it to white Americans? ESP in the name of racism…that’s racist in-itself to paint that brush across an entire race of people.

    So what exactly does this racist movement want from the avg white American that’s just trying to survive and live their life the correct way?

  94. 3b says:

    Lib : Yes you did! We were already WFH 2 days a week, and were told last week that will be expanding, so that means at least 3 from home. Even before this we were being dispersed to cheaper locations in the NYC metro area. So my unit will be split 2 people in 4 offices , only one in NYC. With that we could all be working from
    Home permanently. They have acknowledged the huge real estate savings. I read an article in the WSJ before that quoted the head of T Rowe Price technology who said most of the company will shift to WFH. They have an office on Park Avenue.

  95. SomeOne says:

    what’s the answer

    So what is the end game here? What exactly do the lefty protestors want? I asked a few days ago, but no logical answer.

    I thought it is about police reform and accountability. Do you seem to see race war and reparations as the end game? The protests consist of a diversity of people and are over all states and in many countries.

  96. 30 year realtor says:

    Some cops are bad. What percentage? The ones who are not bad appear complicit because you almost never hear about a “good cop” turning in one of his fellow cops. So what percentage have to be bad in order to make the others complicit? Are they complicit because they fear retribution? Fear loss of their jobs? Sounds like a systemic problem!

  97. Juice Box says:

    ‘Frantic’ New Yorkers Snatch Up Unwanted Homes in the Suburbs
    By Michelle Sinclair Colman | Jun 4, 2020

    They were the castoffs of local real estate — until coronavirus came to call.

    Some houses in suburban towns and rural areas outside of New York City sat on the market for years.

    But then the pandemic spurred cooped-up urbanites to run for the hills and sparked an uptick in property sales within a few-hour radius of Manhattan.

    In Connecticut, a charming colonial home in Darien lingered on the market for 1,083 days, while a 1980s contemporary in Salisbury ticked over the 1,500-day mark.

    But then COVID-19 hit. They went from being the last kids picked on the team to idyllic quarantine dreams.

    The four-bedroom colonial at 208 West Ave. in Darien, a tony town near Stamford, listed in September 2018 for $980,000 but drew little interest until March. (Like many houses that linger on the market, it was likely overpriced at the start.)

    Then, Halstead agent Cheryl Williams says, she conducted multiple virtual showings before the colonial sold to a young couple for $750,000. They had to cancel their May wedding, Williams adds, “so they decided to buy a house instead.”

    In the northwest corner of the state, a gem with midcentury flair at 351 Twin Lakes Road in Salisbury has a similar story. First listed in March 2016, the asking price gradually dropped from $1.01 million. COVID-19 led to several offers, and it recently sold for $895,000.

    “Before the pandemic, everyone would say, ‘Hey, if I’m buying a million-dollar house, I want a new kitchen and renovated bathrooms,” says listing broker Bill Melnick of Elyse Harney Real Estate. “But now if the toilet flushes and they can move in quickly, they’re here!”

    “We’re so flat-out busy, I can’t even tell you! It’s outrageous. We are putting deals together very quickly for people” who haven’t even seen the properties they’re buying, adds Melnick’s boss, Elyse Harney. Also buying are “people who had been renting since [social distancing started on] March 12 and fell in love with the area. They’re buying up quickly. Inventory is the lowest we’ve seen in over 10 years.”

    https://www.realtor.com/news/trends/frantic-new-yorkers-snatch-up-unwanted-homes-in-the-suburbs/

  98. Walking says:

    One of my tenants in NJ has told me already he is moving upstate with WFH. He is having a hard time even seeing a home in northern orange county and ultster as the homes are sold before the weekend hits.

  99. Walking says:

    Anyone have a good website to find a personal tutor for 8th grader up for the summer?

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I don’t support illegal activities. I do admire working hard.

    You can’t tell me some of these lazy fat f’ks or drug addicts think of work as a positive thing. They rather waste time trying to figure out how to get out of work than work an honest day of hard work.

    Bystander says:
    June 4, 2020 at 11:17 am
    So illegals are revered now when compared to homeless citizens? I thought we were building a wall to keep them from stealing our jobs? Which right wing argument applies here? So confusing. Nothing wrong with weed and alcohol. Sounds like you failed bk check.

  101. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You don’t get it. The city is just going through the cycle. It’s in its down cycle right now.

    A business moves out, and a new business will move in. This is nothing new. It’s just time for new business trends to hit the city.

    And if life turned into “everyone” work from home, who’s taxes are going up? All those offices pay taxes, now that it is gone, guess who is getting the bill? No free lunch.

    3b says:
    June 4, 2020 at 2:33 pm
    Lib : Yes you did! We were already WFH 2 days a week, and were told last week that will be expanding, so that means at least 3 from home. Even before this we were being dispersed to cheaper locations in the NYC metro area. So my unit will be split 2 people in 4 offices , only one in NYC. With that we could all be working from
    Home permanently. They have acknowledged the huge real estate savings. I read an article in the WSJ before that quoted the head of T Rowe Price technology who said most of the company will shift to WFH. They have an office on Park Avenue.

  102. ExEssex says:

    2:57 I recommend looking here:
    https://www.wyzant.com/New_Jersey_tutors.aspx

  103. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This is bs. Are they really blaming the coronavirus? GTFO.

    I said it for how many got damn years on this blog?! The current biggest demographic group was going to leave the city to go to the suburbs and raise their family. This was a huge part of my “roaring 20’s 2.0 call.” 3b told me over and over that they hated the suburbs and would never go back. I said over and over again that he was wrong and that no one wants to raise a family in the f’ing city. I told you spillover was coming, and it was only a matter of time. Told you Wayne was one of the best values in north jeresey. Well, now you will see why over this decade.

    And 3b, this is not a permanent trend, it’s just a part of a demographic cycle. NYC is not dying. It’s a great time to get some deals now. Now is the time to buy in the city and hold long term for great appreciation. As for the suburbs, it’s still a buy and hold, but in a couple years, you might start to think of selling into the wave of the up cycle.

    Juice Box says:
    June 4, 2020 at 2:51 pm
    ‘Frantic’ New Yorkers Snatch Up Unwanted Homes in the Suburbs
    By Michelle Sinclair Colman | Jun 4, 2020

    They were the castoffs of local real estate — until coronavirus came to call.

  104. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What age? Single? Looking to start a family?

    Walking says:
    June 4, 2020 at 2:56 pm
    One of my tenants in NJ has told me already he is moving upstate with WFH. He is having a hard time even seeing a home in northern orange county and ultster as the homes are sold before the weekend hits.

  105. 3b says:

    It was only a matter of time!! Good, Intelligent conversation over. Peace out for a bit!

  106. SomeOne says:

    Pumps,

    You can’t tell me some of these lazy fat f’ks or drug addicts think of work as a positive thing.

    They exist in all settings, right? Rural America with the unfortunate meth/opioid addiction comes to mind.

    They rather waste time trying to figure out how to get out of work than work an honest day of hard work.
    You are continuously posting racist views during work hours while working in an inner city school. Does the sentence above fit your profile?

  107. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joyce is good at checking past posts on this blog.

    Go look what yearS I said they would start going hard into single family home buying. I was saying this back in 2013-2017. Over and over again on this blog. Now it happens and they blame coronavirus. What bs.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 4, 2020 at 3:11 pm
    This is bs. Are they really blaming the coronavirus? GTFO.

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Whoa, don’t push your life racism on me. When in the world did I involve race with the below comments.

    A lazy fat f’k comes in all colors, shapes, and sizes.

    If you think drug addiction is tied to race, you need to look in the mirror. That’s racist.

    SomeOne says:
    June 4, 2020 at 3:17 pm
    Pumps,

    You can’t tell me some of these lazy fat f’ks or drug addicts think of work as a positive thing.

    They exist in all settings, right? Rural America with the unfortunate meth/opioid addiction comes to mind.

    They rather waste time trying to figure out how to get out of work than work an honest day of hard work.
    You are continuously posting racist views during work hours while working in an inner city school. Does the sentence above fit your profile?

  109. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why? Because I was right for years and you were wrong. Grow up.

    3b says:
    June 4, 2020 at 3:17 pm
    It was only a matter of time!! Good, Intelligent conversation over. Peace out for a bit!

  110. Walking says:

    Pumkin, They have a family in the Clifton and don’t want their child in the school.

    Thanks for the WYZnat recommendation, I saw that as I started my search but did not reach out to any tutors yet.

  111. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Knew it!!

    Did I nail it…raise their family in a single family home.

    For people that have been on this blog for most of this decade…did I hit it out of the park or what?

    Walking says:
    June 4, 2020 at 3:33 pm
    Pumkin, They have a family in the Clifton and don’t want their child in the school.

  112. SomeOne says:

    Pumps, sorry, you’ve been posting so much about inner-city students and race issues, that I missed that you were talking about homeless folks. My mistake and I apologize.

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    SomeOne,

    Wish I could buy you a beer. You are the first person to be nice to me on this blog and say sorry. Thank you.

    I would never be racist, that’s ignorance of the lowest denominator. That’s for losers.

  114. joyce says:

    What percentage? Almost all of them, for the very reasons you mentioned.

    30 year realtor says:
    June 4, 2020 at 2:45 pm
    Some cops are bad. What percentage? The ones who are not bad appear complicit because you almost never hear about a “good cop” turning in one of his fellow cops. So what percentage have to be bad in order to make the others complicit? Are they complicit because they fear retribution? Fear loss of their jobs? Sounds like a systemic problem!

  115. Bystander says:

    If you are leaving the NYC area then leave for good. In future, companies will not pay you due to your high cost zip code. I don’t buy the suburb frenzy article. In my CT hood, there is brand new construction on market for a year at 780k as well as starter at 399K for nearly a year. Neither under contract. New homes are being built yet I would think that would give developers pause. Good paying jobs are nowhere to be found in this state. That is why it has been sucking wind for a decade, particularly Greenwich back country estates. You can’t give them away. Buy in NYC suburbs and you are buying your financial coffin over next decade.

  116. Hold my beer says:

    Went to hmart yesterday and everyone in the place was wearing a mask. Most were wearing gloves and some people were wearing goggles or face shields. Everyone at the korean restaurant I ordered take out from was also wearing masks other than the people wating in the place but they all had masks with them.

    Went out today to get my car inspected and registered and do some other errands. Maybe half the people were wearing masks. Whites were less likely to wear a mask than minorities. Also regardless of ethnicity, the more spherical the person the less likely they were to wear a mask.

  117. Hold my beer says:

    wating = eating

  118. leftwing says:

    “Chatham group can do what it wants, the BLM laid down conditions, and Chatham group can still go ahead. What is the outrage for? You seem to think that Truth and Reconciliation is a punitive/accusative phrase. It is not.”

    No outrage. Just drop jaw bafflement at the liberal arrogance….

    The view of any “Truth and Reconciliation” commission is inherently political…further even assuming there is validity to such a commission, and assuming that there is in fact an apolitical truth they can discover, I don’t and won’t concede to any such charge. Let alone one assumed by an overtly political NGO claiming the right to decide based on their claimed monopoly on the truth. Fcuk that and fcuk them.

    I know more than few residents in Chatam. The town is lily white, and very generous. They decide to have a township unity event and instead get sh1t rained down and called racists with no basis. Too bad, huge missed opportunity. To a person on my feeds people overnight went from curious support of the event to ‘fcuk these assh0les, burn’.

  119. Libturd says:

    The answer is simple. Read the following two examples of covert systemic racism. This sh1t happens all of the time. It’s the uncomfortable truth. Until white people can first admit this is unfair and second, do something to try to stop it. Then YOU are the problem. The truth hurts.

    Sh1t like this has to simply stop. Profiling does not work. It has been proven and it is patently unfair at its core.

    This is a story from a friend who moved into the Ridge recently.

    When we moved to Glen Ridge three years ago from Montclair we were followed by GRPD coming in and out of our house.

    We would be followed by the police until we pulled into our house. My sister who lived in Montclair and regularly visited, would be followed until she pulled in and parked. My husband’s work provided him with a driver for some time, the driver would be followed until he pulled in. Sometimes they would park across the street for awhile and then leave.

    This happened regularly for weeks until I guess the cops felt we are not a threat and abruptly stopped .

    They didn’t say or do anything to us, but I highly doubt other new home owners experienced this level of surveillance. What this does is make one paranoid, do I have a blown tail light, did I forget to renew my registration, what did I do etc… over time this builds an uneasiness around police.

    Here’s another:

    Here are my son’s experiences in GR. We live in Montclair now, which is more diverse but far from perfect.

    My son, who is black, came to live with us in 2009 at the age of 23. He was stopped in GR on more than one occasion with an innocuous: “can I help you,” when he was walking home. Moreover, when he was around our corner to do some handy-man work, a neighbor called the police assuming he was trying to break into the house. He had the key! But in minutes, 5 police cars were there, and he was surrounded, asked for his i.d., etc. I happened to be walking my dog and saw this all happen. And now many more stories are coming out about experiences like this.

    So the simple answer is, fcuk the police!

  120. Libturd says:

    Based on population, a black person in Glen Ridge is … 2498% more likely to have force used on them than a white person.

    Hmmmmm.

  121. Majority of Americans are not racist says:

    Can say the same about a white in an African American neighborhood.

    Libturd says:
    June 4, 2020 at 5:01 pm
    Based on population, a black person in Glen Ridge is … 2498% more likely to have force used on them than a white person.

    Hmmmmm.

  122. SomeOne says:

    Pumps, thanks for accepting my apology and the kind words.

    As Lib keeps saying, most people on this board seem to be fairly decent folks in real life. Disagreements and being d!cks to each other on the board isn’t something to go by.

  123. 30 year realtor says:

    I managed foreclosed real estate in hardcore inner city neighborhoods throughout NJ for over 30 years. Never in all those years was I treated as though I didn’t belong.

  124. ExEssex says:

    I’mma letchu fellas get a room. Who here misses the ol’ savagery that was ….
    this board made a religion of being nasty.

    https://youtu.be/jY4SF8xWKFo

  125. Juice Box says:

    Looks like a udge agrees with the DA in NYC.

    Breaking: NYS Judge James Burke rules NYPD can now keep anyone (peaceful protestors arrested for curfew and criminal looters) detained for over 24 hours given these are extraordinary times. “It’s a crisis within a crisis”, he said. “All writs are denied, BK, BX and manhattan”

  126. SomeOne says:

    Car battery died (alternator was dying) and broke down at the traffic light in a heavy black neighborhood. Four big guys came out of nowhere, helped push the car to the side, gave a ride to a battery center.

  127. AP says:

    They found a new Hemingway short story in the at hives and the New Yorker just published it. Don’t think it’s paywalled.

    Highly recommended. Some parts hit you almost like parody, but in the best possible way, if that makes any sense.

    They interviewed his son who said something like, I can’t believe that this one was missed earlier, because really distills a bunch of themes in perfect form.

    The old man’s sense of humanism is something we could all use could use a bit of, around these days

  128. leftwing says:

    C’mon, Lib, you’re better than using bullsh1t meaningless ‘stats’ to make your points….

    To your narrative…maybe the GRPD have a problem? And there will always be assh0le, overly involved, nosy, holier-than-thou neighbors (one of my personal true hates of the suburbs)…..

    Question…isn’t it racist to paint all whites (white cops, high end suburbs, etc, etc) with a broad brush based on their race as a result of the bad actions of a few?

  129. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They never paid due to high zip code. They always paid based on talent and where talent wanted to live. I’m sorry, talent is attracted to metro areas. Giant sucking sound of talent leaving smallville middle American towns.

    Why would a talented individual be attracted to such small markets where life is laid back because no one does anything. They will in time, when they are old and retired. But that part of their life where they are focused on their career and raising a family….that will always be in the big metro areas for the gifted and talented.

    Look at that racist Central Park incident. You know how gifted and talented they both are? You see their resume. You think two random talented individuals of this level are even available in a small town market?

    Just like when you guys called for the end of suburbs, please don’t call for the end of a major metro market like nyc. You would not want to take that bet….they call that a fool’s bet to bet against nyc.

    Bystander says:
    June 4, 2020 at 4:42 pm
    If you are leaving the NYC area then leave for good. In future, companies will not pay you due to your high cost zip code.

  130. SomeOne says:

    leftwing,

    Question…isn’t it racist to paint all whites (white cops, high end suburbs, etc, etc) with a broad brush based on their race as a result of the bad actions of a few?

    No one is making that generalization, right? Police departments targeting blacks and other minorities is similar like animal rights activists harassing old women in fur coats but staying away from bikers in leather — they are going for the weaker ones and are afraid of the powerful ones.

    Lib seems to be focusing on the need for police reform (and he seems to be against cutting police funding).

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Cheers

    And I agree, all good people in real life that let off steam on this blog. I just happen to be the punching bag(someone has to be it), which is fine with me.

    SomeOne says:
    June 4, 2020 at 5:18 pm
    Pumps, thanks for accepting my apology and the kind words.

    As Lib keeps saying, most people on this board seem to be fairly decent folks in real life. Disagreements and being d!cks to each other on the board isn’t something to go by.

  132. 30 year realtor says:

    Leftwing,

    Racism can only come from the dominant group. What you describe about painting whites a particular way is not racism, it is a generalization.

  133. chicagofinance says:

    I appreciate your opinion, but have you ever asked the question “why”?

    Libturd says:
    June 4, 2020 at 4:59 pm
    The answer is simple. Read the following two examples of covert systemic racism. This sh1t happens all of the time. It’s the uncomfortable truth. Until white people can first admit this is unfair and second, do something to try to stop it. Then YOU are the problem. The truth hurts.

    Sh1t like this has to simply stop. Profiling does not work. It has been proven and it is patently unfair at its core.

    This is a story from a friend who moved into the Ridge recently.

    When we moved to Glen Ridge three years ago from Montclair we were followed by GRPD coming in and out of our house.

    We would be followed by the police until we pulled into our house. My sister who lived in Montclair and regularly visited, would be followed until she pulled in and parked. My husband’s work provided him with a driver for some time, the driver would be followed until he pulled in. Sometimes they would park across the street for awhile and then leave.

    This happened regularly for weeks until I guess the cops felt we are not a threat and abruptly stopped .

    They didn’t say or do anything to us, but I highly doubt other new home owners experienced this level of surveillance. What this does is make one paranoid, do I have a blown tail light, did I forget to renew my registration, what did I do etc… over time this builds an uneasiness around police.

    Here’s another:

    Here are my son’s experiences in GR. We live in Montclair now, which is more diverse but far from perfect.

    My son, who is black, came to live with us in 2009 at the age of 23. He was stopped in GR on more than one occasion with an innocuous: “can I help you,” when he was walking home. Moreover, when he was around our corner to do some handy-man work, a neighbor called the police assuming he was trying to break into the house. He had the key! But in minutes, 5 police cars were there, and he was surrounded, asked for his i.d., etc. I happened to be walking my dog and saw this all happen. And now many more stories are coming out about experiences like this.

    So the simple answer is, fcuk the police!

  134. chicagofinance says:

    ? who has ever said such a thing

    30 year realtor says:
    June 4, 2020 at 5:59 pm
    Leftwing,

    Racism can only come from the dominant group. What you describe about painting whites a particular way is not racism, it is a generalization.

  135. chicagofinance says:

    When I was younger and in casual clothes, it was assumed I was in the neighborhood to buy drugs. I would get stares from cops.

    Majority of Americans are not racist says:
    June 4, 2020 at 5:17 pm
    Can say the same about a white in an African American neighborhood.

    Libturd says:
    June 4, 2020 at 5:01 pm
    Based on population, a black person in Glen Ridge is … 2498% more likely to have force used on them than a white person.

    Hmmmmm.

  136. chicagofinance says:

    How many of the 18% were residents?

    People also seem to conveniently forget where these towns are located. There is extreme poverty and extreme wealth in very close proximity. Also, there are major roads I-78 & Bloomfield Avenue that are de facto “Criminal Highways”.

    Stick with facts that are provided with appropriate context.

    Did you listen to the Candace Owens video? I am not a fan of shrill, nasty, authoritative and partisan monologues posted on You Tube. However, she makes very compelling points.

    The main issue is not THAT there is racism…… it is WHY?

    SomeOne says:
    June 4, 2020 at 12:15 pm
    Chatam community has an ugly history of racism and remains a segregated community, and talks about 2% black population vs 18% of black arrests.

  137. 3b says:

    Juice a few hours outside of Manhattan, sounds like these people won’t be going back to the office. In other news from those that work in the corporate world rather than opine on it. My Friends Son and Daughter in law are moving to Brightwaters way out on Long Island 2 hours on a good day. The Sons finance company is moving almost all of their employees to an office twenty minutes from the house. The Wife’s company digital advertising is going WFH 3days a week. When lease is up it will be all WFH with just a small presence in NYC. They are both thrilled!

  138. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Awww, how cute. Like newlyweds. Come talk to me in a few years after running both professional careers out of the same house. WFH is going to become FWFH.

    “They are both thrilled!”

  139. The Great Pumpkin says:

    F = f’k

  140. Bystander says:

    3b,

    Exactly. A dipsh&t like Blumpy wants to opine on what the corp world is going to do when many of us live in the reality. Corps leave the area and tell their ‘talent’ to move there or else. To grease the wheels, you (intially) get a higher salary than area demands. Over time, you either get less wages or let go which means lower salary on next job. It is all for corp bottom line, not you. I am in middle of evaluating 40 vendor staff to see how we can share their skills across our group. They expect perm staff will pick up the work. Dumba@@ believes NYC is immune. You are all on a spreadsheet somewhere and mgt is looking hard at savings. There will be WFH strategy. then layoffs, then rehires at lower wages. Mark it down. It will be a methodical slow moving wreck over next decade. They will decide what ‘talent’ is and very few will be worth keeping in NYC.

  141. Bystander says:

    Here is a conversation, we just had. One of vendor staff has been supporting our apps for over 10 years. Without him guiding every delivery, we accomplish nothing. I would describe him as talented and critical. Our IT head says why did we not hire him after 10 years? Because he lives in a different Indian city and policy won’t allow him to work there as perm. Answer? Oh well, you should get knowledge transfer then get rid of him. Welcome to new real world.

  142. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Tesla Inc. Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk said it’s “time to break up Amazon” in a tweet Thursday, escalating a rivalry with Amazon.com Inc. CEO Jeff Bezos, another billionaire investing in space exploration.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-04/musk-says-time-to-break-up-amazon-escalating-feud-with-bezos

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nope, that’s not how it works at the high end of talent spectrum. Those people are not replaceable, you and 3b don’t understand how difficult it is to have a concentrated high talent pool like nyc offers. Keep thinking that the corporations dictate to these individuals, it’s the other way around.

    “Corps leave the area and tell their ‘talent’ to move there or else”

  144. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The businesses that leave nyc metro market will be replaced by the next generation businesses. You guys don’t get it. Just because a company decides to leave the market, doesn’t mean said market is dead. They will be replaced. They won’t be the first to be replaced, and won’t be the last.

  145. Bystander says:

    Philly used to be capital of this country, Detroit the economic engine, Pittsburgh the steel backbone..dumb@ss thinks NYC can never be toughed. It was a sh&thole that no one went to in the 60s and 70s. It could be that way again.

  146. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This area is immune from dying. It’s been around how many years? You guys think WFH or the virus can end the nyc reign? Are you insane? This is some of the most valuable dirt in the world…

  147. Bystander says:

    Define high end talent. You can’t bc an untalented person such as yourself has no idea how that works. Corps decide what talent they seek, not other way around. There a few top level talent who manage hundreds of mid level talent who manage thousands of bottom level talent. When top level decides most mid and bottom don’t need to be local then rest who stay will fight over job craps. More dual incomes, stale housing prices while taxes rotting away any small inflation increases. Since you are a beta already, you don’t see it.

  148. 3b says:

    Bystander: Don’t waste your time with him, and I know I am guilty of saying I will ignore him and then don’t. Those of us who work in the corporate world understand. The quality of life improvement for those with children once they are back in school will be incredible, will there be challenges of course! But the benefits to both employees and the cost savings to companies will be massive. I remember years ago a guy I worked with at Goldman said e mail and Bloomberg messaging was a fad. Yeah some fad!

    The head of Facebook, Twitter, Morgan Stanley and others have said many if not all will be working from home permanently. I have numerous friends and their children who have been told they will be permanently working from home, or it will be expanded. My company s CEO told us WFH already at 2 days a week would be expanded. Nope does not matter there is a lunatic in Wayne who is not in corporate America, who says they are all wrong. And all for one reason.

    My apologies to Joyce and Boomer for referencing him in this response.

  149. The Great Pumpkin says:

    NYC was always king…for how long now. That’s like saying Tokyo will die, London, or Mexico City. Just not happening, sorry to break your little hearts.

    3b, know it all…you used to tell me the same bs with suburbs..and guess what?! You WERE WRONG. DEAD WRONG! And I promise you are wrong on your nyc death call.

    Bystander says:
    June 4, 2020 at 7:23 pm
    Philly used to be capital of this country, Detroit the economic engine, Pittsburgh the steel backbone..dumb@ss thinks NYC can never be toughed. It was a sh&thole that no one went to in the 60s and 70s. It could be that way again.

  150. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Facebook is leasing massive space in NYC…are you slow? They are expanding their footprint, not withdrawing it.

  151. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – I have been doing WFH, with wife, kids and dog now for three months and it’s going great.

    For me it used to be two days a week home and three in the office in New Jersey, about 1 hr each way door or door with dropping off kids and picking them up. I no longer have to worry about that, stress of getting out the door by 7:15 AM with sleepy kids in tow is gone. Now we educate our children at home. My youngest needed a tutor and tutor bailed due to covid-19 so my wife and I are now the full time teachers and tutor, not easy but we are a team and take turns (less for me, that is an issue for sure). Our oldest does not need any help with school work and get it done first thing so he can go online and game with his friends.

    My better half commuted to NYC to work in a job that is very stressful since she deals with the masters of the universe, she was out the door at 4:45 am several days a week to go to gym and then commute to NYC. That stress for her is completely gone now too.

    Sure kids and wife can be stressful but we have adjusted and use our time together wisely. I just finished cooking chicken tacos that the kids love and since it is a nice evening we may go swimming for a bit as bedtime can also be later too as we do not have to get up early, or heck I will go for a swim in the morning after walking the dog.

    Do I want that back, office life? Have to be in the office all the time again dealing with nonsense really? I am gonna pass, and I am not the only one. One of our C-Suite holds meditation hour for everyone on Friday’s during work hours.I will be sure to join tomorrow as I can tell you for sure the C-Suite does not want to be in the office either.

  152. Juice Box says:

    3b- “My Friends Son and Daughter in law are moving to Brightwaters way out on Long Island 2 hours on a good day.”

    I have a first cousin, single mom who bought a place on shelter island recently. It was a dream to have a place there for a long time now, as that is where she spent summers. She has been hunkering down there for months now do to Covid19 with her young child. She will probably fall for a local or another transplant and never leave.

  153. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Maybe WFH becomes the norm for everyone around the world. Been wrong before, won’t be the last.

    I like going to work. Interacting with people. Busting co-workers chops joking and laughing. Battling the grind on the commute with some good music. The best part, that sick good feeling you get when you are finally home. You appreciate it when you are not there 24/7 becoming numb to the environment. The absolute best feeling is coming home on a Friday or a four day weekend….pure euphoric bliss. WFH takes that all away.

  154. 3b says:

    North Jersey/Bergen county is definitely racist. I grew up in the Bronx, and watched as the neighborhood changed from white to mixed to overwhelming Black and Puerto Rican, then it turned from working class minority to section 8 and crack houses. My parents were one of the last to leave so I am quite familiar with the good and the bad.

    Out here it’s more of a quiet and hidden racism and it’s the ones who proudly identify as Liberal and Snowflake. I have friends who are conservatives and except for their racism they are nice people, but they can’t get past the neighborhoods they grew up in were nice and than Blacks and Puerto Rican’s moved in and they were no longer nice. It’s far more complex than that, but they will never change their minds. My Jamaican neighbor begged my Father to move but he refused.

    But it’s the Liberals who are filled with angst now about the murder of Floyd they are racists, but hide it. Just mention low and moderate income housing for their town, and you will get all the tortured explanations as to why it really does not make sense to have it in their town and they point to another town where it might make more sense, and guess what they are minority towns! All the Black and Hispanics that are motor men on trains, and ticket collectors , ambulance drivers , truck drivers, home health care attendants and so many others. They don’t want them, because they are Black, and working class, and it will bring down their property values. And what will their friends in other wealthy white with a dash of Asians towns think??

    I may be accused of pontificating, but at least I can say I
    Grew up with diversity. As for my own family my Nephew is married to a girl

    Who is half Black and half Puerto Rican, there was no racism in
    My family all my Parents wanted was that they be baptized Catholic.
    This young woman by the way is a Cornell graduate. Two kids. My wife’s first Cousin who is a Cop by the way is married to a Black girl, 3 kids, they could pass for all white she is constantly mistaken for the Nanny. College grad by the way, with her own business. As for Cops and racism I know quite a few who are married to Dominican women and have children. So we know at least some cops are not all racists.

    How many of these Liberals that claim they are not racist would be OK with their Son or Daughter bringing home a Black or Hispanic girl? Very few I would wager.

    So I am tired of those so called Liberals whether they are in the media
    Or in suburban north Jersey lecture me on racism. I grew up
    With diversity, there is diversity in my family. Look in the mirror and ask yourself just who needs the lectures.

  155. PumpkinFace says:

    Battling the grind on the commute

    Haha, how far is your commute?

  156. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    After teaching in wealthy communities for 11 years, I have seen a grand total of 0.5 fights. I say 0.5 because they weren’t even real. These kids in these communities may be obnoxious at times but for the most part they don’t even know how to cause trouble, let alone break the law. I’m sure some of them will commit white collar crimes in the future.

    On March 14th, it was my sons first and last Little League Practice for the year. While we were waiting outside, I smelled weed and spot 3 black kids in the dugout smoking up. They are doing it basically 30 ft from a bunch of 7 and 8 year olds. I go over and tell them they have to leave and they give me crap. I then had to inform them, you know, that one of the fathers here is an off duty police officer and he’ll be the next one over here. The white kids in town, they go 1000 ft into the woods to smoke pot outdoors. One group is bound to get arrested for this type of petty crap, the other ones, no one is going to bother.

  157. 3b says:

    Juice of course it’s a huge improvement on your family’s quality of life as well as you and your wife. My wife and I have had numerous conversations with people who
    have said the same. Shelter Island is a beautiful spot was there year’s ago senior in Catholic High School had to a retreat to graduate.

    I will never forget Saturday night there was what was called a rap session and kids got up and told personal stories about family issues etc Myself and a bunch of other first generation kids many from your neck of the Bronx were horrified as and you might appreciate this you didn’t talk about that stuff. We were repeatedly called by our last names O this and Mc that to come up and say something we declined. Lots of hugging and high on Jesus. Come Monday morning these kids were ridiculed by the same ones hugging them on Saturday night. We all looked at each other knowingly as we knew what would happen. Thankfully for those kids it was May and graduation was around the corner.

  158. Juice Box says:

    3B – Old boring stories…

    Me and Julio down by the school yard

    Wedding when I was a kid was my cousin who at 18 married Julio, to get out from under Mom’s skirt for sure. Wedding was 80’s fancy, one of those places on the Long Island sound perhaps in Larchmont, don’t remember exactly as a I was young. As a kid I noticed the angst between the older crowd, and really did not understand until I saw the crying women, angry at this “unholy” union between Irish and Hispanic Catholics, both sides were only angry women, as men were at the the bar. Poor woman never had a chance and never re-married after the divorce which was about a year later.

    Times have changed for sure. My sister used to kid me about would I accept “Leroy” as a brother in law. My response was only if he was a Yankees and Giants fan, and well she is single again. So if you have anyone that needs an instant family and has a job I will do the intro….

  159. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    lol, Disney cancelled all my dinner reservations in August but informed me my hotel reservation is still intact.

  160. 3b says:

    Juice :Yes. They sure do. But the world changes. Some great times in the Bronx though.

  161. Fabius Maximus says:

    “Did you listen to the Candace Owens video? I am not a fan of shrill, nasty, authoritative and partisan monologues posted on You Tube. However, she makes very compelling points.”

    I get why you like her, your projections are strong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY

    Her facial expressions are priceless.

  162. Bystander says:

    3b/Jcer,

    Good stuff. My kids are young and before would barely get home by dinner then straight to bed. Got one hour per day with them max. I like WFH but my company is insane so not much free time with meetings all morning and chunk of afternoon –then actual work. Still I can pop down and see them several times day. I can see them swim in pool and hoping this job gives me a sec to actually swim with them in during day. I don’t want to go back, particularly because I sit glass room that is crammed. No way it is fire safe. Boss agrees. This company is one cheap mf-er and crammed everyone onto one floor last year.

  163. Fabius Maximus says:

    The big problem Goog has with AWS is that Jeff is eating their lunch. I went to a Goog AI presentation two years ago and came away with the view that they have not moved the needle from 30 years ago outside of advances in compute and storage that allow training models to be actually functional.

    I signed into an Amazon AI presentation last week and they are making bigger strides to make it more user friendly. Just my 2c

  164. Libturd says:

    I could care less who my kid’s date. Black, gay, Gary.

  165. JCer says:

    Lib, the thing the liberals living in Glen Ridge don’t want to admit is they demand the racist response. There is a reason they vote for a high police budget, you live next to East Orange yet you have no crime why is that? Your criminals are 90% certain to fit a particular demographic. They stop doing the random stops and the crime will go up. You live in a rich neighborhood, it doesn’t work the same in the hood. I live in a rich hood too, almost everyone is extremely liberal, meanwhile when I moved in I had a delivery they sent the guy on a different day than they told me and I wasn’t home, he goes to my door rings the door bell and then calls my contact I talk to him for a few minutes and arrange for him to come back in a few days, he was apparently greeted by the cops, some neighbor called. Guy told me this when he came a few days later. Point being I think a lot of liberal white folks are really the biggest racists, I would not call the cops if I saw a black delivery guy at my neighbors, I’d assume they ordered something and were getting a delivery. Then again Newark does come here to steal cars and burglarize houses it is why the police drive by quite often, despite literally almost never seeing a sole on the street pre-covid(we’re all at work to pay the property taxes!).

    30 yr you were passing through the inner city, I’ve lived there and yes cops actually do stop white folks and ask questions maybe not all the time but in general the assumption is young white guy hanging out in the hood is there to buy drugs, cops will ask are you lost, do you know where you are as they think you look suspicious and want to engage you. A cop once saw me installing a car stereo, so I’m on the street under the dash and the dude walks up with his hand on his gun(still holstered) and yells at me to get out the car, asks what I’m doing demands to see my license and registration, he thought I was stealing the car, it doesn’t just happen to black folks. I was poorly dressed, in bad neighborhood under the dash of a relatively nice car. Probably not as aggressively though as in the suburbs, cops in the inner city don’t really want engage with people they generally don’t even like to step in and stop crime. There are plenty of criminals but also lots of good folks, the majority are good people and that is the crime, and the anti police narrative is a big part of it but people have to live with crime

    I agree it is not right, people shouldn’t be randomly stopped. There needs to be a better way but it is also we need some solution because otherwise we can go mad max style where the rich white folks in glen ridge can shoot the poor criminals from east orange, newark, and irvington.

    I read the Dr Tyson post and while I really respect him and thing their is validity to what he says but I also noticed his numbers are incorrect about the number of black men shot and in my mind a truthful narrative is important.

    But the truth is the video of Candice Owens is very compelling, articulate and astutely correct, criminality in Black inner city communities takes a big toll on honest black folks. Again in those communities you can’t find a store worth a damn quality of life suffers from the lawlessness on a daily basis.

    Leftwing, there is a police problem and a criminal justice problem but racism is only a small piece, there are much bigger systemic pieces that get lost when all of the focus goes to race and false narratives. That is one of the big reasons i get bent out shape about this, police brutality is a real thing but guess what if Floyd was a white, mexican, chinese addict/criminal it would be the same. Police don’t like criminals and often have rage problems, one of the complaints against the bad officer was for brandishing his weapon when he approached some 16 year old WHITE kids who were horsing around in a shopping center. If that didn’t give someone a clue there was a problem there, they weren’t paying attention. Again my criminal uncle, white as they come would frequently get beat up when he was arrested. My parents had the same conversation with me black parents have with their kids which is when stopped by a cop be very careful, don’t piss them off, they can be violent and young people don’t have credibility in the criminal justice system.

    My dad was an attorney for 20 years he would tell me frequently the system is broken. Considering black male crime rates are sky high so it makes sense they are more affected than 6% of the population should be.

  166. JCer says:

    Bystander it’s nuts my meetings run from 7am until 7pm, and it seems like anytime someone asks for something they have their hair on fire. A day ago I was asked to create a technical presentation on our data architecture for 4000 man day build to be presented to the C-Level execs to get the investment green lighted. It was great a couple of extremely late nights, a presentation that I would tell you was rushed and not good. No one actually understood any of it, not the technology, not even the business aspects. I was not the presenter and of course did not step in but even my boss didn’t dare correct the leadership. The perception was management was pleased and I was thanked for doing a good job by my managers.

    I’m thinking to myself how does this place run most of our executives are clueless and almost no one is willing to correct them. I don’t like the working from home, too many hours working, the expectation is you are available at all times. If this is the management that thinks this is so productive, we are hosed and you all are right we will be doing remote work at lot more in the future. These people are clueless and must make a lot of mistakes making decisions without knowing what it means…….

  167. joyce says:

    Rep. Nadler looked pretty dumb in that clip. If you want to “defeat” someone speaking ignorance, make sure you know what you’re saying in response.

    Of the many things you can rightfully post to criticize her, this is what you choose? Forfeit would have been easier.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    June 4, 2020 at 10:33 pm
    “Did you listen to the Candace Owens video? I am not a fan of shrill, nasty, authoritative and partisan monologues posted on You Tube. However, she makes very compelling points.”

    I get why you like her, your projections are strong.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-poqjet5mY

    Her facial expressions are priceless.

  168. grim says:

    Yet I see nothing from the state of NJ that would appear to make use of this extremely valuable data.

    Nearly 80% of N.J. coronavirus deaths have been residents 65 years old and older

    Nearly 80% of the 11,970 deaths attributed to the coronavirus in New Jersey have been residents 65 and older, with the outbreak especially ravaging the vulnerable population in longterm care facilities in the state.

    Gov. Phil Murphy highlighted the grim figure Thursday during his daily coronavirus briefing in Trenton as he announced 92 additional deaths related to COVID-19 in the state.

    “Seventy-nine and a half percent of the fatalities are of our older brothers and sisters of the age of 65 and older,” Murphy said.

    Nearly half of the deaths — 47% — were of residents 80 or older.

    At least 5,128 residents at New Jersey’s longterm care facilities, such as nursing and veterans homes, have died from complications related to COVID-19 That’s about 43% of the state’s lab-confirmed deaths.

  169. Hold my beer says:

    If corona doesn’t get the elderly, the buffalo police will. The cops claimed he tripped and fell.

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/video-shows-buffalo-cops-shoving-elderly-protester-causing-head-to-knock-on-ground/2448082/

  170. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Wasn’t buffalo where the guy flew through the checkpoint and ran over the a few cops earlier n the week? Getting in their face when they are establishing a perimeter is pretty dumb. How do they know he’s not another deranged nut when he fails to comply? Chocked full of blood thinners it doesn’t take much to bleed out.

    I’m not even the authoritarian type but i recognize that you have to respect the police in public or the public safety is compromised. Screaming two inches away from someone’s face is no protesting, it’s violating that person right whether the police or not. It’s anarchy.

    it’s pretty obvious what the immediate goal is. And that’s subjugation of police to special interest. Anyone claiming a status of X gets a special set of rules and cannot be questioned.

    That’s what the civil rights movement transformed into. At one time the ACLU etc. did care about civil rights and liberty for all but transformed into a lobbying mission to secure privileges for specific groups.

    This whole situation is deranged and has been hijacked by the political left. Supposedly the same police that just a few weeks ago were risking themselves in the midst of a pandemic are now targeting those communities systematically? It’s lunacy.

  171. 1987 Condo says:

    Jobs Report: Payrolls UP..2.5 million

    Unemployment goes down

  172. Hold my beer says:

    They shoved a thin old man down

    Walked past him while he was unconscious

    Then lied about it claiming he tripped and fell.

    You would have been arrested for shoving an elderly man down and knocking him out

  173. 1987 Condo says:

    “experts” were predicting a loss of 8 million, so off by about 10 million

  174. homeboken says:

    The jobs # is staggering high to the good side.

    Human beings ability to model or predict future events, with any hope of accuracy, has completely eroded in the last 120 days.

  175. Bystander says:

    Payrolls – A bunch of cooks, waiters and waitresses hired back to serve people outdoors..hurrah

  176. homeboken says:

    By – so now the standard isn’t creating jobs but we have to create the “right” jobs?

    I don’t understand that sentiment. If it is only cooks, waiters and waitressess, maybe that has no impact on you directly.

    But the 2.5 million people that now have a job, it means a lot.
    It also means a lot to the overall strength of the economy.

    What kind of job would be meaningful, in your view?

  177. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just like experts believe WFH is going 100% and NYC Is dead. Can’t fix ignorance.

    Imagine if this stupid virus never came along, how on point would my roaring 20’s 2.0 call be right now? Economy would be in such a strong position to blow the hell up.

    1987 Condo says:
    June 5, 2020 at 8:34 am
    “experts” were predicting a loss of 8 million, so off by about 10 million

  178. Juice Box says:

    Only time I see the cops in my neighborhood is when them come to my house! 😜

  179. Bystander says:

    Boken,

    I am not understating the impact for those folks but I have been pretty consistent in my view that the quality of jobs has been a problem since recovery started years ago. Market jumps 600 points based on this? Cmon.

  180. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Listen,

    WFH will never happen, why? It will destroy the f’ing economy. No one really needs cars…so scratch all those jobs tied to that in the car industry. Roads won’t be used as much, so there goes all the businesses and jobs tied to road construction. All those office buildings…there goes all the jobs cleaning, maintaining, and constructing. Never mind the destruction of commercial buildings no longer paying property taxes. How many restaurants and food vendors go under as no one eats lunch out.

    I can go on and on, but you got the point. Yes, WFH can save a company some money at expense of destroying the economy. Could you imagine the consequences on energy? Middle East and other energy producers will have total anarchy…

  181. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are wrong, though. There have been quality jobs, what do you think is supporting this market?

    Bystander says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:12 am
    Boken,

    I am not understating the impact for those folks but I have been pretty consistent in my view that the quality of jobs has been a problem since recovery started years ago. Market jumps 600 points based on this? Cmon.

  182. Juice Box says:

    Good news on Jobs? We are supposed to be at great depression level so of unemployment. The economy cannot recover before the election, there is only 150 days until he damn election! You people are blowing it get out there and riot dammit.

    Mortimer Duke : F*uck him! Now, you listen to me! I want RIOTING reopened right now. Get those THUGS back in here! Turn those RIOTS back on!

    [shouts – it echoes pathetically throughout the trading hall]

    Mortimer Duke : Turn those RIOTS back on!

  183. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For Ms. Miller-Lachmann, 63, the chaos of the past week has “shown us that freedoms we’ve come to take for granted in this country may not be there for us,” she said. “We’re watching the warning signs.”

    From Grim’s article..

    First quote…screaming buy, perfect example to buy when there is blood in the streets, take advantage of these people’s fear.

    Second quote…are we really still worrying about this virus? Seriously? These people are brain dead.

    “New Yorkers have been fleeing for months. But the fear some residents have of the violent reactions to the protests here is adding a new challenge to those asking themselves whether they can hack the city. Many are deciding not to return.”

    “The pandemic alone, however, poses new challenges for a city that thrives on, and is packed with, people. It also comes at a time when New York is pricing out those who are perfectly capable of working elsewhere remotely.”

  184. Juice Box says:

    So PPP was extended from 8 weeks to 24 weeks, that will push right up to the election. The Fed has told banks to give everyone loans and has told banks to take a chainsaw to loan regs and basically out more liar loans with pick a payment between now and next year before the first statement arrives. $600 Billion dollar helicopter drop where the fed is buy 95% of the risk up front.

    What are we up to now in covid19 bailout costs? 7 Trillion, and the states now want another 2-3 trillion to bailout their current deficits.

  185. Bystander says:

    Resident dufus has never read article of Fed actions. It is free market capitalism at work. Didn’t you know that Depression level unemployment is a positive sign for market now? It is all so magical when you bury head in sand.

  186. Juice Box says:

    Most young couples with kids that still live in the city do so for a social life. They all have nannies, and spend lots of time at the gym, restaurants or doing activities that are not child raising. All of that has been cancelled do to covid-19. No nanny, no drinks and dinner with friends, no yoga, no art gallery parties, no thrusday night happy hour with co-workers in various locaitons (never keep it the same) basically no going out at all.

    Who really wants to be cooped up in a small apt in NYC, the city that never sleeps?Well it sleeps now and many people have decided the party is now over. There is no going back once they move. I know I moved 8 years ago and haven’t looked back.

  187. Hold my beer says:

    Yesterday Dallas county set a record for Number of new daily cases.

    https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/dallas-county-records-highest-daily-covid-19-positive-cases-on-pace-for-deadliest-week/287-1eb5164f-0b1d-436e-95ef-605432ff3048

    I’d say about half the people I’ve seen In non Asian places when I’m out the last few days are not wearing masks in stores and other businesses.

  188. Bystander says:

    JC,

    Economy won’t recover. The stock market was always going to blow back up when Fed buys everything, no questions asked.

  189. joyce says:

    Listen, it’s just a cycle. More people will work from home and the economy will adjust. Germany and Europe survived WW2, didn’t they?!?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:13 am
    Listen,

    WFH will never happen, why? It will destroy the f’ing economy. No one really needs cars…so scratch all those jobs tied to that in the car industry. Roads won’t be used as much, so there goes all the businesses and jobs tied to road construction. All those office buildings…there goes all the jobs cleaning, maintaining, and constructing. Never mind the destruction of commercial buildings no longer paying property taxes. How many restaurants and food vendors go under as no one eats lunch out.

    I can go on and on, but you got the point. Yes, WFH can save a company some money at expense of destroying the economy. Could you imagine the consequences on energy? Middle East and other energy producers will have total anarchy…

  190. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    My experience with anyone who modeled anything (economics, quantum mechanics, molecular dynamics, cell membrane transport) is that they are geniuses in math and developing ideas….but are severely deficient in how the world actually works. Alot of them are incapble of understanding how simplistic assumptions that make their calculations possible compromise the entire validity of their work.

  191. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    It looked to me like he did trip and fall. An 8 year old kid pushes harder than that.

  192. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    My favorite is always the stay a home mother that has a nanny for her 17 year old child. I’ve tutored for a few of those.

  193. 3b says:

    Joyce: The Chief Technology Officer of T Rowe Price said that WFH across the board was about 10 years away before it became the norm across corporate America,but that the pandemic speed it up, and it’s here to stay.

  194. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How would you make up for all those jobs lost, esp with automation eliminating jobs at the same time? Doesn’t make sense to me. Then add in the fact WFH opens up globalized wage arbitrage…the world economy would go into a deflation spiral. Would mess everything up with such less demand.

    joyce says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:41 am
    Listen, it’s just a cycle. More people will work from home and the economy will adjust. Germany and Europe survived WW2, didn’t they?!?

  195. joyce says:

    Did their report mention they had physical contact with him, even if slight in one’s opinion… why didn’t they rush to help an old person who tripped and was bleeding from his head?

    FakeNewsHoaxes says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:43 am
    It looked to me like he did trip and fall. An 8 year old kid pushes harder than that.

  196. Juice Box says:

    Little Lol

    At the Coach morning merchandise buyers meeting: “We’ve performed some additional market research and identified our worst performing products..

    https://twitter.com/johnroa/status/1268895207191392257

  197. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And what is he God?

    I called the economy 7 years out, but you give me no credit. Instead, you suck off this guy.

    3b says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:49 am
    Joyce: The Chief Technology Officer of T Rowe Price said that WFH across the board was about 10 years away before it became the norm across corporate America,but that the pandemic speed it up, and it’s here to stay.

  198. 3b says:

    The whole concept of going to an office to work, dates back to around the 17th century or so, from my understanding so with all the other advances why the need for dedicated office space to preform work. That’s why WFH is here, and it’s not going away.

  199. Fast Eddie says:

    Germany and Europe survived WW2, didn’t they?!?

    I wonder what the outcome of the war would have been if the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.

  200. Hold my beer says:

    You need your eyes checked

    One cop shoved him across the chest with a nightstick while the other one shoved him in the shoulder.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/man-shoved-by-cops-at-buffalo-protest-alert-oriented/

    Picture one even shows it.

    If you and someone else did that to old man you would have been charged.

  201. 3b says:

    Bystander: I am glad WFH has improved your families quality of life. It stands to reason.

  202. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Because the jobs of tomorrow are based on teamwork and creativity. How does that excel under WFH conditions?

    3b says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:53 am
    The whole concept of going to an office to work, dates back to around the 17th century or so, from my understanding so with all the other advances why the need for dedicated office space to preform work. That’s why WFH is here, and it’s not going away.

  203. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How do you feed off the energy of your co workers?

    How do you even get motivated sitting in your house all day?

  204. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    He was pushed with a billy club? Are you referring to the cop whose path he tried to obstruct?

    I hope he catches a few charges after the fact. The last thing we need out there right now is paper thin skinned old codgers out there rabble rousing.

  205. Bystander says:

    3b.

    Yes. Guy from T-rowe is spot on. You would have to be pretty dumb to believe certain areas are entitled to better quality of life forever. Can you imagine a dufus in Philly around 1790?

    “What? They are moving the capital away from Philadelphia?. We are the biggest and most important economic center of this young country. They can’t do this but even if they do it won’t impact this great inner city economy at all. We are too critical”

  206. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I’m serious. These tech companies are chasing money, but better realize the impact on our society. Yes, the techs will all push WFH because there is a massive pile of money to sell products that support it.

    …but do they think at all of the consequences? They did enough damage with automation, now they want to destroy it all for the little guy. What will the little guy that is not as smart as the big guys do in the economy these tech guys envision? Do they take work out of the equation for the majority of the population? That’s dangerous. Taking away people’s meaningful purpose in life (job/small business) and just turning them into consumption machines stuck in a house attached to electronics.

    It’s like the matrix, but your house now becomes the incubator.

  207. Hold my beer says:

    Tried to obstruct? Since when is it a crime to stop 2 feet from a group of approaching cops to say something to them? And he’d been standing there for a few seconds before they shoved him. He wasn’t charging into them or moving around trying to impede their progress

  208. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    I’m not that invested reallly. But if that’s what they fake nes is resorting to to push the brutality hoax then they are running out of ammo.

  209. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    I wonder what the outcome of the war would have been if the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.

    Same as what happened since they didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.

    I am sure you meant Japanese. Even if they didn’t bomb, Pearl Harbor, we were indirectly supporting UK for a while, so it was just a matter of time.

  210. 3b says:

    Bystander: So True. My company was already WFH 2 days a week it’s being expanded we were informed last week by senior management so it’s got to be at lest 3.

    Prior to all of this my company along with many others in my industry were already dispersing employees geographically. Those that actually work in corporate America are already aware of this. So for instance in my group there are 8 of us and we are going to be split up into 4 offices in the NYC metro area only one of which is in NYC.

    So working from 4 offices vs working from home really no difference.

  211. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What I talk about…why it will never be a majority of the population working from home. It’s downright dangerous and unproductive for a lot of people. This line, “bonus points for putting on real clothes,” says it all. That’s depressing.

    “Even if you’re one of the lucky few who enjoys long stretches of uninterrupted time alone (guilty), you’re still susceptible to cabin fever. Some call it “founder isolation,” others call it loneliness.
    Whatever you call it: it’s that moment when you realize you haven’t been outside or seen a human other than your spouse in days.
    It leads to social awkwardness where you forget how to make small talk or how to behave at dinner parties with other normal non-working-from-home humans.
    The social awkwardness is funny, but the emotional isolation isn’t. It’s hard to find people who get what it’s like to work from home and understand the emotional rollercoaster you go through on a given day (and no, your spouse doesn’t count).
    It can leave you feeling really alone and stuck in your head. The key to surviving this one is making a point to get out of the house. Bonus points if you put on real clothes. The next key is finding people like you. This takes time, but having a tribe who understand what it’s like to work for yourself buffers against the deleterious effects of isolation, leaving you free to get back to work.

    Don’t listen to the stats about working from home. Make a choice based on your specific circumstances and personal disposition.
    If you’re someone who thrives off the energy of others, working from home is a bad choice, regardless of all the benefits. Alternately, if you’re someone who thrives off the promise of uninterrupted quiet time (and/or enjoys being in control of her own time), you’ll love working from home.
    The point is to be honest with yourself about what you need and what is best for your health, sanity, and business.”

  212. joyce says:

    It’s a fairly well known joke from a movie.

    SomeOne says:
    June 5, 2020 at 10:28 am
    Eddie,

    I wonder what the outcome of the war would have been if the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.

    Same as what happened since they didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.

    I am sure you meant Japanese. Even if they didn’t bomb, Pearl Harbor, we were indirectly supporting UK for a while, so it was just a matter of time.

  213. 3b says:

    Some It’s a joke Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. Animal House John Belushi. A classic!!

  214. Fast Eddie says:

    SomeOne,

    Omg… lol! Are you that sheltered?

    Can someone please explain to Someone? Lol!

  215. Fast Eddie says:

    Oh, never mind… thank you, 3b.

  216. Fast Eddie says:

    And Joyce, too. I need to read the comments first.

  217. SomeOne says:

    Is this a good time to ease new money into market? Normally, I invest bonus money and savings from previous year into a stocks in March or April. This time, I set aside all of it as cash to provide cushion just in case the SHTF.

    What are people here doing?

    I didn’t touch any existing investments cuz I didn’t need the money for many years and I am also very bad at timing the market.

  218. SomeOne says:

    Eddie, 3b, Joyce,

    Oops, didn’t know watch the movie. I feel quite silly.

  219. Bystander says:

    Someone,

    Invest it all in companies that supply WFH teaching software…

  220. joyce says:

    Bystander,
    When all business reopen eventually whenever that is (sports, restaurants, theaters, etc) but more people are working remotely more often – not everyone not all of the time just more – life as we know it will end.

    The world will head for a disaster of biblical proportions. Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes… The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

  221. Bystander says:

    Joyce,

    Looking forward to frogs from the sky myself. Solution is easy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjWfur9at2s

  222. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Joyce,

    No kidding, but 3b takes the position that it’s all going to WFH. Hence, nyc is dead as is jersey. Everyone is going to move to Nashville. I have been telling him for weeks 100% WFH is not happening on a majority scale.

    In reference to your mockery. No kidding, life finds a way, but not always for the better. I rather be living in the 80’s or 90’s….life was simpler and just as good as it is now.

    joyce says:
    June 5, 2020 at 10:54 am
    Bystander,
    When all business reopen eventually whenever that is (sports, restaurants, theaters, etc) but more people are working remotely more often – not everyone not all of the time just more – life as we know it will end

  223. chicagofinance says:

    I love how FabMax was so thrilled to find a clip with Candace Owens speaking the word Nazi, as if I am some fanbot. Meanwhile in the clip, she excoriates Lieu for taking the comment out of context……. and note my post from yesterday….. seriously, what is you major malfunction Pvt. Pyle?

    chicagofinance says:
    June 4, 2020 at 6:27 pm
    Stick with facts that are provided with appropriate context.

    Did you listen to the Candace Owens video? I am not a fan of shrill, nasty, authoritative and partisan monologues posted on You Tube. However, she makes very compelling points.

  224. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I mean, maybe it’s a nostalgic feeling causing me to romanticize the 80’s and 90’s in my head. I’m sure the world will keep heading in a positive direction like you point out. Like you said, it’s all cycles. Up and downs, but it always gets better with time.

  225. D-FENS says:

    I work in IT for a company with offices around the globe. It never made sense for me to drive all the way to the office, sit at a desk and work with someone on the other side of the planet when I can do all of that from my house and get an hour and a half of my daily life back.

    Tech companies really don’t need to pay someone to drive to an office to write code. My gut feeling is most industries might maintain a small footprint in Manhattan for the prestegious address…but not a desk for everyone. It’s totally unneccesary and very costly.

    Even before the shutdown, one of our offices was subletting space and using “hotel desks”. Basically you would reserve one in advance for a set time period if you had to meet with someone.

    Newer offices don’t even really have permanent desks in cubes that you need to report to everyday… they are collaborative spaces with wifi that workers meet and work at.

    The trend was already underway…just accelerated by the shutdown.

    That said, NYC always surprises me. It does seem to attract people and brand and reputation does matter. I thought for sure no one would want to work in Manhattan after 9/11 but it came back strong…so who knows.

  226. JCer says:

    WFH will expand and that is a good thing. I think for a lot of people the exercise of going to an office EVERY day is over. The anachronistic views on letting employees WFH are waning, I know of many employers and managers who were hostile to the idea prior to this.

    That being said, people are going to go into the office, personal relationships drive business, productivity, creativity, period. To deny this is to deny our humanity. Is it once a week, twice a week, three times I don’t know but people will want to see, meet and interact with the people they work with. There is no real substitute for face to face interaction, the video helps but it is still not the same. Also what I’ve noticed is without the context gained from water cooler talk I have a much more tenuous picture of what is going on.

    Nobody is moving to Nashville, my money is on the exurbs, close enough but a relative value with a good quality of life. Between COVID and riots the cities aren’t looking too appealing at the moment, short term we will see less interest in living in urban areas more in suburban or rural with some proximity to major markets. This will be short lived.

  227. chicagofinance says:

    Did you hear the audio? One of the guys immediately called it in, and separately bystanders commented. The response was EMT’s are on site.

    joyce says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:49 am
    Did their report mention they had physical contact with him, even if slight in one’s opinion… why didn’t they rush to help an old person who tripped and was bleeding from his head?

    FakeNewsHoaxes says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:43 am
    It looked to me like he did trip and fall. An 8 year old kid pushes harder than that.

  228. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    He really wants that 500 billion. If he gets it that’s 6 billion per guardsmen for a week of standing them around a monument.

  229. chicagofinance says:

    You live down the street from the beehive for the entire area…..

    Anyway, speaking of profiling….. in your town, the worst thing to be is an 18-22 year old driving with a college sticker in the back window….. the town is heavily overpoliced, with ticket quotas to meet, and a lot of the cops went to school with snot nosed kids that went to college, and especially the under-30 cops are waiting for some payback….

    Juice Box says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:09 am
    Only time I see the cops in my neighborhood is when them come to my house! 😜

  230. Juice Box says:

    Cuomo daily press briefing, he looks like he borrowed a page from Trump’s playbook his forehead looks Orange. He also cheered that deaths were only 42 yesterday in NY State from Covid-19, down from 800 a day two months ago.

  231. homeboken says:

    I believe that WFH will expand greatly vs pre-covid levels but I am thinking about the long-term impact this will have on employer/employee relationships.

    I only have my personal experience to work from but my day to day work can be performed anywhere. I drive to EWR more often than I drive to NYC.

    But for those that are not in a client facing role – How much value does it bring to get to know your boss(es) and coworkers in a personal way? How much value is there to knowing the human side of your colleagues? People are social animals and for my personal situation, the zoom/slack/skype connections have not offered me the same value as the occasional face-to-face meeting.
    The expansion of WFH will be an interesting contrast between A. change in employee productivity good/bad B. Cost savings in office leases/REO C. Value of long-term employee engagement/social interaction.

    Point C is very theoritical where A and B are easily measured and valued.

    On the flip side, I can see an argument being made that a seperated work-force may lead to a sharp decline in group-think, which could produce value. Ever been in a meeting room where you disagree with most of your colleagues but you remain silent bc your read of the room tells you that it is an unpopular opinion?

    Nobody knows for sure – I suspect my job, which is basically front-office sales at it’s core, will be unchanged in terms of travel and client visits. But I will certainly log fewer hours in my NYC HQ.

  232. D-FENS says:

    https://www.insidernj.com/assembly-passes-historic-covid-19-emergency-bond-act/

    Bill Headed to Murphy’s desk. He will likely sign it.

    Possible lawsuit questioning the (state) constitutionality.

  233. chicagofinance says:

    I know we are only 5 months into the decade of the 20’s, but I think we have a strong candidate for post of the decade.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:52 am
    And what is he God?

    I called the economy 7 years out, but you give me no credit. Instead, you suck off this guy.

    3b says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:49 am
    Joyce: The Chief Technology Officer of T Rowe Price said that WFH across the board was about 10 years away before it became the norm across corporate America,but that the pandemic speed it up, and it’s here to stay.

  234. joyce says:

    I honestly don’t hear that in the video (first or second).

    I did laugh in the second video when supercop takes down the guy standing there with the sign. Heroes, all of them.

    chicagofinance says:
    June 5, 2020 at 11:37 am
    Did you hear the audio? One of the guys immediately called it in, and separately bystanders commented. The response was EMT’s are on site.

  235. Juice Box says:

    Chi – I can’t drive 55.

    I never get pulled over, must be the station wagon. I was considering a mid life crisis car but if I need to blow off steam I can always take the cover off my Yamaha YZF. But riding that is a chore anyway. Perhaps I will sell her and go for a midlife crisis Harley Fat Boy Lo.

  236. chicagofinance says:

    Animal House reference

    SomeOne says:
    June 5, 2020 at 10:28 am
    Eddie,

    I wonder what the outcome of the war would have been if the Germans never bombed Pearl Harbor.

    Same as what happened since they didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.

    I am sure you meant Japanese. Even if they didn’t bomb, Pearl Harbor, we were indirectly supporting UK for a while, so it was just a matter of time.

  237. joyce says:

    Has the senate passed it yet?

    D-FENS says:
    June 5, 2020 at 11:57 am
    https://www.insidernj.com/assembly-passes-historic-covid-19-emergency-bond-act/

    Bill Headed to Murphy’s desk. He will likely sign it.

    Possible lawsuit questioning the (state) constitutionality.

  238. joyce says:

    Never mind, i found it.

  239. Phoenix says:

    The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Why does that guy look so much taller than all of the police- he makes them all look short. Guess they don’t make ’em like they used to.

  240. JCer says:

    D-FENS, back to my comments on idiot management. If you were working with someone on the other side of the world who is doing your development you are already lost. I work in a similar field, I used to have a development team stateside, we replaced them with overseas and the productivity really does suffer as does the quality. I’ve heard this same sentiment from people at some of the tech co’s. Some work is easily shifted overseas but a lot of it is simply too messy to cleanly split your ba’s and SME’s from your developers. The old adage of you get what you pay for is somewhat true. Indian technical education for the most part is questionable, much of it is like US community college level I’ve found engineers trained at Rutgers or NJIT, etc which are decent but not stellar US schools have far better knowledge and skills than the folks educated at most Indian technical universities.

    The CTO of T. Rowe has no credibility in technology as the technology they have sucks I’m a customer and know someone who used to work in their ops area. So if a generally ineffective technology organization sees it a viable I have doubts. Developers are a hot commodity, just look at the salaries of talented folks, if they want to WFH they will. I know some folks who are 100% remote, they are developers who have social phobias/Asperger’s, they are effective so no one cares. If someone wants to be in SF, NYC, LA, Boulder, Austin, etc most employers in tech will accommodate as well so n they will not be closing there campuses.

  241. chicagofinance says:

    Very end where female cop tells people to step back someone states that the man will need an ambulance and another responds that EMT is on scene.

    Also, make sure to listen to a version where the profanity is not censored also the sound quality is better. Some versions you can hear what the cop who touches his left shoulder says over the communication system.

    joyce says:
    June 5, 2020 at 12:00 pm
    I honestly don’t hear that in the video (first or second).

    I did laugh in the second video when supercop takes down the guy standing there with the sign. Heroes, all of them.

    chicagofinance says:
    June 5, 2020 at 11:37 am
    Did you hear the audio? One of the guys immediately called it in, and separately bystanders commented. The response was EMT’s are on site.

  242. chicagofinance says:

    Be very careful here. Artificial market. Will comment more later…..

    We are extremely overbought, but that said, the smart money has been a combination of uninvested or worse short. A lot of punishment is being meted out. That said, it is not a black or white situation. If you are really antsy, then put some in….. it is good, because it will focus you. However, there is no fundamental reason to be here, it is all stimulus, but don’t underestimate it’s effectiveness.

    SomeOne says:
    June 5, 2020 at 10:43 am
    Is this a good time to ease new money into market? Normally, I invest bonus money and savings from previous year into a stocks in March or April. This time, I set aside all of it as cash to provide cushion just in case the SHTF.

    What are people here doing?

    I didn’t touch any existing investments cuz I didn’t need the money for many years and I am also very bad at timing the market.

  243. 3b says:

    Jcer I have no idea who the CTO of T Rowe price is or his qualifications, simply pointing out what he said. But regardless of that the company as per my friend who works there is going permanently to WFH for most of its people.

  244. JCer says:

    3b, don’t doubt it. My point is management is a bunch of morons. They will over do work from home and real estate savings to their detriment.

    NYC is far from dead but deBlasio is trying as hard a s he can to recreate the 1970’s. Jersey will have problems not so much from covid or riots but as a result of the idiotic tax polices……

  245. 3b says:

    Jcer: I don’t know if it’s far from dead, but it certainly has suffered a major blow. As for
    WFH that is here to stay, many will get it right, some of course will get it wrong. For those with school age children once they are back in school, it will be a huge quality of life improvement in addition to ditching the commute.

    Ironically all the cheer leading about how high house prices are justified because of being close to NYC May backfire and bite some people in the ass. People will have options now, it’s good for young couples with children.

  246. Fast Eddie says:

    The CEO of my firm was emphatic in stressing that we are not a WFH company and will return to normal status eventually.

  247. Phoenix says:

    Just send Snake Plisskin into NYC. Make him the mayor. He will get the job done.

  248. Phoenix says:

    Kiddies, please by my house. NJ has just added more taxes on and I can’t take it anymore!
    It’s all original. Classic, antique, just look at my antique furnace, kitchen and air conditioner. They have been reliable for 50 years. And the bathroom, that pink toilet is in vogue now. I’ll also throw in a couple of orange Home Depot buckets for you to catch the rainwater from my 3 layered roof, its eco friendly water.
    BTW that husband of yours looks real handy. My husband toiled on this house for me until he keeled over. That check bought me a nice house down south, so I can give you this one at the bargain basement price of 495k. The windows still let light in even if they don’t open anymore. And I love your husband’s man bun, I had a bun like that years ago as well. Make sure he has a good job and can keep you living the life you deserve, their job is to fix things and make you happy.
    Toodaloo,
    Grandma.

  249. 3b says:

    Fast Some will return to the office, many won’t. But don’t be surprised if that might not change due to the cost savings/and or if it becomes an issue in retaining or attracting people.

  250. joyce says:

    Murphy, what a tool… can’t answer simple questions.

  251. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    Does it have original brass pipes with stalagmites on them and the main line is lead? Is there an old leaking oil tank buried in basement? Black mold in the attic?

    Can I get stucco?

    If yes where do I sign up.

  252. JCer says:

    3b flexibility is great and it’s good if employers open up to allow more remote work but I will say it again people are social creatures, total work from home is not attractive to the vast majority(except those with social phobias, Aspergers/autism, and those who are sick or experiencing some other life event). The idea of people doing part time remote is great, saves on commute costs/time, office space and in general could really ease the congestion around major cities.

    Just as a general rule folks making good incomes tend to cluster with folks like them. This means that in general where ever they choose to live will need to have demographics that match theirs. So will some move to the hudson valley, bucks county, Vt, NH, some other wilderness, yes.

    But realistically no, the only thing that has me considering a move is the rate of taxation here as at this point we are basically working to pay taxes and fund our discretionary spending and my preference is to have more time to live at some point rather than work all the time. NJ property taxes make that difficult as between my 2 properties(home and hudson county condo), my NJ property taxes bills combined approach 50k.

  253. leftwing says:

    “…between my 2 properties(home and hudson county condo), my NJ property taxes bills combined approach 50k.”

    LOL. Can’t make this sh1t up.

  254. Bystander says:

    Phoenix,

    Does it have it have original wood radiator covers? Can you put it on a double yellow in Wayne? If so, I hear people will overpay for it.

  255. JCer says:

    Phoenix that is a bargain, the house across the street from me was built in 1948. Person kept it in original condition(truly ghastly), basic 4/2 split REALLY ugly nasty house. The person dies, and they put it on the market asking 595k, they got it in a few weeks. Buyer bought the house, ripped the roof off put on an addition, replaced all the windows, the siding, the doors, kitchen, baths, landscaping, driveway, walkway and put a deck off the back. Frankly it might have been easier to tear it down and rebuild. But people are buying these nasty cr*p shacks if they are in desirable neighborhoods. Don’t worry it only had 15k in taxes when it was nasty so now with renovations figure at least 22k. I don’t know how this makes any sense.

  256. 3b says:

    Jcer All fair points. But as I said many companies we’re already dispersing geographically, so the team work thing was already evolving.

    As for the office interpersonal thing , I have noticed a generational shift, many of the younger people and this is an observation not a criticism, are at their desks with headphones on if they are not working, they are scrolling on their phones. Times change.

    As for higher incomes congregating together I don’t see that necessarily changing
    With WFH. The people in my office with school age kids are out the door at 5:00. And I don’t blame them. Miserable commutes to northern Westchester and Putnam, Danbury Ct and Marlboro/Manalapan , and Holmdel. Both spouses work and they have to get home and do the day care after school care pickup, homework perhaps, dinner bath and bed. It has to be exhausting! Even my trip to Bergen Co is one hour twenty from when I leave the office to when I get home.

    But my kids are grown, my wife was home for years with them. I could do the after work drinks schmooze. I don’t know how these working parents have any kind of quality of life with two working parents , kids and 2 to 4 hours a more commute. Seems to me things went backwards not forwards.

    So WFH for one or both parents when kids are back in school will be a huge
    Improvement. Posters here with children are already saying it.

  257. JCer says:

    That was probably in 2018, but the market is still pretty strong. I think a lot of folks are making their exit.

    Yes leftwing, I rent my property from the government…..

  258. 3b says:

    And the crap shack may now come with a property tax surcharge. It’s the latest in sophisticated ripping off of our highly educated and sophisticated workforce, and just one more reason why you and NJ are perfect together!! Hurry hurry!!

  259. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    Lol. That last post and your earlier one about the teaching online stuff is good!

  260. JCer says:

    3b why do you think I’m concerned, already at 48k a surcharge doesn’t sound promising and we know a thing or two about the sound fiscal management our government exercises in NJ. Not going to like my answer collapse the first 3 brackets into one 3.5% bracket and take the knife to some of the government. Replace the pension system going forward, no more defined benefit pensions it needs to be based on what you pay in and fund performance, essentially guaranteeing investment returns long term is fraught with peril. During this COVID lock down employees should have been furloughed if they could not continue to do their jobs. We cannot have different systems and different rules for private sector vs. public sector.

  261. chicagofinance says:

    I probably wrote about this experience a while ago. I was standing outside a hotel/bar/restaurant waiting for someone. I didn’t see him, and I decided to step into the lobby of the hotel just to check whether they were in there. It was dimly lit etc. I was prepared to walk into a noise crowded room, because I could see it was busy in there…. not super crowded, but it was a full room.

    I walk in stunned….. is was a dull murmur….. then I look around and all these fcuking millennials are zombied out on their iSh!t…… I was thinking OMG this is FCUKED!

    3b says:
    June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm
    As for the office interpersonal thing , I have noticed a generational shift, many of the younger people and this is an observation not a criticism, are at their desks with headphones on if they are not working, they are scrolling on their phones. Times change.

  262. 3b says:

    Jcer NJ has to make the tough changes or it’s doomed, no amount of BS rationalizing that it’s all fine or does not matter changes that.

    There is a 2 tier system and it’s simply not fair, pensions, cheap health care premiums all gone in the corporate sector, alive and well in the public sector, and construction unions.
    From people I know in the construction unions I am told the triple over time is gone, but the double over time still there. No one gets this in the corporate sector, and many of these jobs pay far more than the secretaries and admins and analysts and all the rest.
    And that’s fine you got it, but guess what they are still bitching

    This property tax surcharge is insane! But it will probably pass. What a disaster of a state!!

  263. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    Thanks much on the advice to be careful. It’s been propped up by a lot of printed money.

    My investible free money is about 10 to 15% of the portfolio, so it’s not like I will regret not having it invested. The money already invested is from previous years, and is not needed for a while.

    One thought I have is to wait till the election time and then add in. What are your thoughts on gradually adding in per some schedule versus waiting for some opportune time and invest as a bolus?

  264. 3b says:

    Chicago: I had a situation where I was taking a junior guy to a meeting with senior management at a large IB. Headphones on whole subway trip up, on the walk from the subway, into the building and security, finally on the ride up the elevator I asked him to remove them. He had every intention of walking into a meeting with headphones on.
    Clueless!!

  265. RentL0rd says:

    Let’s say, your company wants you working back in the office. And let’s say you test positive for Corona. Will you sue your company? If you die ‘cuz of the virus, does your family get to sue on your behalf? I bet insurance companies have their ass already covered under the “act of god” language – but not sure about company-employee contracts.

  266. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    I look around and all these fcuking millennials are zombied out on their iSh!t

    Best part is when they snap pics of every dish they eat in the restaurant.

  267. chicagofinance says:

    You don’t trade on the election….. the market is forward looking and places percentage bets….. I would bet the S&P 500 will track with some level of correlation to something like this…
    https://bookies.com/news/presidential-election-odds-daily-tracker

    SomeOne says:
    June 5, 2020 at 4:56 pm
    Chi,

    Thanks much on the advice to be careful. It’s been propped up by a lot of printed money.

    My investible free money is about 10 to 15% of the portfolio, so it’s not like I will regret not having it invested. The money already invested is from previous years, and is not needed for a while.

    One thought I have is to wait till the election time and then add in. What are your thoughts on gradually adding in per some schedule versus waiting for some opportune time and invest as a bolus?

  268. 3b says:

    Whatever firms do return to the offices in NYC, whether all or part, you can be sure when it’s time to renegotiate leases, they will be in the drivers seat. WFH will be a huge driver for cheaper leases.

  269. Hold my beer says:

    Today Dallas county set another new high with 298 new corona cases. And I was out grocery shopping at Sprouts (it’s like a cross between Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s) and I’d say about 40% of the customers in the place we’re not wearing masks. Saw the same thing at the post office. About 1/3 weren’t wearing masks and even a postal worker had a mask on his neck instead of face.

    Dallas county was down to 172 new cases a day 2 weeks ago. I bet there will be over 500 new cases a day in another 2 weeks because people aren’t wearing masks and are moving around a lot more.

    I don’t get the big deal about not wearing a mask while shopping or in a post office or Other public venue. I could see roofers and other construction workers not wearing one but how hard is it to wear a mask for 30 minutes to an hour while shopping or waiting in an air conditioned building?

  270. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You would think, huh. Somehow, I highly doubt they will ever be in the drivers seat long term with NYC real estate. Do you see the density, that is like the support block in a stock.

    That’s what really makes me laugh about your death to nj predictions. You are telling me the most densely populated state in the country is going to die. That’s a balls call. That’s like calling for Microsoft’s death after the rise of Apple in the 2000’s. Prob not going to work out.

    3b says:
    June 5, 2020 at 5:43 pm
    Whatever firms do return to the offices in NYC, whether all or part, you can be sure when it’s time to renegotiate leases, they will be in the drivers seat. WFH will be a huge driver for cheaper leases.

  271. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b, listen to jcer. He has no bias in this game like you accuse me of. His posts are absolutely on point. He knocks it out of the park regularly.

  272. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bystander and 3b,

    Why so sour on nyc metro location? Has to be a backstory? Dish it out, I’m dying to hear it.

    For me, it’s like hearing the origin story for joker. How did they become some bitter and angry towards the area?

    Dish it out, we all want to hear.

  273. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This…

    Can I get an Amen?!

    Like lemmings all chasing the low hanging fruit off the cliff.

    “My point is management is a bunch of morons. They will over do work from home and real estate savings to their detriment.”

  274. Juice Box says:

    Was at ShopRite today, first time in about 6 weeks I went near the place as it was Co-morbid Kathy and Ken central. People were half as*sing it with masks, noses sticking out and nobody was social distancing, nowhere nohow. Did not see any gloves on anybody and as usual the Silent Generation and the Boomers were busy feeling up the fruits and veggies right in front of the signs saying not to do so.

    Also dropped about $300 at ShopRite, prices are going up on the usual stuff for sure, few sales there or home improvement stores, as well no more loss leaders needed to get you in the store with all the online businesses shop rite is doing on pick up and delivery.

    I will stick with Whole Foods, at least they are trying, clean every cart, limit store traffic etc.

  275. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Apparently, you aren’t supposed to even strike up a conversation with a girl at the bar anymore. They prefer make initial contact through some app. Or so I’m told.

  276. 3b says:

    Prayers.

  277. Grim says:

    Fever, Chills, GI. I fear the Rona may have gotten me. Or last nights Chinese food, not the first time for that one.

    Stopped taking the Herba Santa a week ago, serves me right.

  278. Hold my beer says:

    Juice

    I hear you. I’m sticking to hmart where everyone wears a mask and almost everyone wears gloves. maybe every 2-3 weeks going to sprouts to load up on yogurt and a few other things we like we can’t get at hmart.

    I don’t get why people wear masks with their nose hanging out.

    Another difference between Walmart and hmart is When I compare myself to the other customers I feel thin in Walmart and fat in hmart

  279. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    I hope it’s the bad food and not corona

  280. Badboys says:

    A lot of bad cops out there. Having said that, this buff case is nonsense. These aren’t regular police, they are riot police. So, don’t go running towards riot police, it’s not the smartest thing in the world.

  281. Juice Box says:

    Grim got a bottle of 450mg herba 90 pills in reserve, will deliver ASAP if you request it….

  282. JCer says:

    Grim, that is exactly how it starts…. I was blaming work cafeteria food for 2 days, in retrospect I also commented this food is terrible it doesn’t taste like anything. If it is COVID take elderberry and oregano oil it will shorten the duration. I hope you didn’t get COVID it sucks if you feel super exhausted, like can’t keep you eyes open in the afternoon, winded taking a walk to your kitchen you have it.

    Yes everyone is done with covid, they are not doing social distancing anymore. It’s not just Texas, it’s here. Shop-Rite is taking full advantage of the situation they have raised prices, I stopped going. I’ll do Aldi(so cheap) and Whole Foods or TJ’s.

    Pumps, thanks for the kind words but I certainly have bias. As witnessed by 50k in property taxes, I’m over allocated on Jersey property and have been aggressive in paying off the mortgage. When half your net worth is tied up in residential real estate in NNJ you have some skin the game. My dad was a real estate guy, but he was big on owning his home without a mortgage mostly because his number one rule was a home is not an investment you buy it because you like it and you want to live there. He also ascribed to the value of the dirt, NYC metro(NJ, westchester, LI) was one of his favored markets as was CA, certain parts of coastal FL, DC area, places that had constrained supply and lot of rich people, the demographics matter. They made a lot of money in those markets and did worse in other FL markets and the midwest. All commercial very little residential.

  283. 3b says:

    Juice: What is this 450 herba 90 you speak of?

  284. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    One thing I’ve noticed is that food is spoiling faster in general. The additional transit time in packing and getting to the store doesn’t yield the same shelf life it traditionally has.

  285. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    People are reacting to the outcome. The cop on the right didn’t use much force. Barely any from what I can see. There’s obviously not intent to injure IMO. If you watch it in slow mo, the officer on the right, his arm is fully extended before he even makes contact with the guy. The officer on the left was in the process of pushing him back using his knight stick which forces him to take a single step back. The 2nd officer, simultaneously hits him with the tap. Based on what I see, it was actually the first officer’s motion that causes him to lose balance and not the officer with his arm extended. I can only see that in slomo though. On first glance, it appears opposite.

    The old guy lost his balance over the course of 4 steps and fell in the worst way possible, split his head open with blood pouring out of his ear. It was a bad accident. It sucks this happened, but you don’t get to go up to an officer and tap their utility belt in any situation, especially this one.

  286. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    I think a week or two ago Boomeremover said if you have corona to start doing cystic fibrosis breathing exercises right away to keep the lungs open

  287. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bottom line, human population is going to become more and more concentrated in these locations.

    Money has always been concentrated; that’s how they keep out the poor, drive up the price.. People laugh when I say high property taxes is a form of class warfare…but what do you think it is? It keeps out the poor. That’s why so many people mock the ugly cape cod for 600k. They miss the point, that’s the cost of entrance into that community. It is what it is. Mock it all you want, but it’s priced outrageously high for a reason.

    “He also ascribed to the value of the dirt, NYC metro(NJ, westchester, LI) was one of his favored markets as was CA, certain parts of coastal FL, DC area”

  288. Chicago says:

    What about Pedro when he did it to Don Zimmer?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rpKUmvx7HQ

    Hold my beer says:
    June 5, 2020 at 9:55 am
    You need your eyes checked

    One cop shoved him across the chest with a nightstick while the other one shoved him in the shoulder.

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/05/man-shoved-by-cops-at-buffalo-protest-alert-oriented/

    Picture one even shows it.

    If you and someone else did that to old man you would have been charged

  289. BoomerRemover says:

    My coworker tested positive for antibodies today. She’s been complaining of a blunted sense of smell and a bad cold in Feb/March. I’ve tested negative and the managing partner hasn’t taken a test yet. We’re not in each others faces throughout the day but we do work together, open the same fridge and stand in each others doorways exhaling into the office. Her husband got tested today, her kids were in and our of the house and away in college until later. I would be very surprised is the husband didn’t have it.

    I went on a bike ride with an ICU PA the other week. Both he and his wife are PA’s and both had it early on. He said he had a raging 104F but his toddler never caught it or just plain didn’t show. He also told me he now doesn’t bother wearing a mask in the hospital unless he is doing a procedure, which I thought was a bunch of tough talk, right?

    Grim, wife somewhat persistent and severe GI issues 3-4 days now, no fever no chills. On the lookout for same there seeing as how she’s the high risk in our house. During high panic in March I read somewhere that if it starts with the gut or the GI is involved it’s much more likely to get serious. Godspeed.

    Hold, someone else here interpolated BoomerRemover into their handle.

  290. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I know I over generalize these other states, but a lot of the country is scrapped together tiny towns in the middle of nowhere. If you grew up in north jersey, you take for granted how much there really is do to here.

    What’s funny, nyc (the peak of society) mocks jersey as slow life, so imagine what the rest of the country is like. Most of it is extremely poor for nyc metro standards. These people literally make no money. 30k is happy. Dual income at 30k and they feel rich at 60k.

    Just trying to catch a flight out of these small town markets is a joke. We take that for granted. How many airports around us?

  291. Fabius Maximus says:

    My big problem with Owens is not the sell out, its the hypocrisy. She makes her name on the view that Dems exploit POC and only pander for their vote at election time and assume that vote will always be there.

    Now if she is selling a viewpoint and making bank off it, I honestly don’t have a problem with that. If they are willing to pay you and you are happy with the terms (and how much you are selling out), I cant criticize, you for take it.

    But lets be clear what exactly she’s selling. The only reason the Conservative right tolerate her is because she is a POC willing to make that point. That’s what they are buying and that’s the hypocrisy. She is quite happy for the right to exploit her, to try and make a point of accusing the other side of exploiting who she represents.

  292. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Be well Grim.

  293. Chicago says:

    I am not making a joke.

    What a ridiculously racist post!

    Fabius Maximus says:
    June 5, 2020 at 11:24 pm
    My big problem with Owens is not the sell out, its the hypocrisy. She makes her name on the view that Dems exploit POC and only pander for their vote at election time and assume that vote will always be there.

    Now if she is selling a viewpoint and making bank off it, I honestly don’t have a problem with that. If they are willing to pay you and you are happy with the terms (and how much you are selling out), I cant criticize, you for take it.

    But lets be clear what exactly she’s selling. The only reason the Conservative right tolerate her is because she is a POC willing to make that point. That’s what they are buying and that’s the hypocrisy. She is quite happy for the right to exploit her, to try and make a point of accusing the other side of exploiting who she represents.

  294. Chicago says:

    You want a sellout? Kayleigh McEnany

    She is equally as talented as Owens, but is clearly a shill.

  295. Fabius Maximus says:

    So when I saw that video of the guy pushed over, there were a few things popped out. The first and most egregious was the other officer ( I assume superior) pushed the guy on telling him to keep walking as he called it in. Next was in the background, the NG walked in and immediately went to triage. Good training.

    Now we have the reports that all 53 officers have resigned that riot duty due to the two suspensions. If I was commander my response would be. “Thank you for your service, it is with regret that I accept it. We will review the incident and while the cause of the incident ,may have been an unfortunate accident, the response to it was lacking. We will review to check that teams have sufficient training or resources needed to deal with that incident in the correct manner. ”

    We will review what happened and

  296. Fabius Maximus says:

    Yes, but McEnany and to an extent Conway are not doing it on the back of “White women clutching Pearls!” as a marginalized voting group.

    But to your argument I will put up Michael Steele. Die Hard GOP despite their policies and attitude, (how fast did they boot him from chair when they got to know the candidate they voted in after so many rounds!). You can hold your views, without denigrating your heritage.

    Want to discuss Clarance Thomas?

  297. Fabius Maximus says:

    Nice to see the old GOP starting to realize they need to step up.

    https://twitter.com/murphymike/status/1268997121446801408

  298. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Bosses fear that if remote working arrangements last much longer that relationships will fray and innovation may suffer”

    “A num­ber of com­pa­nies say they have been suc­cess­ful in work­ing re­motely, in part, be­cause em­ploy-ees al­ready know each other. Af­ter years of work­ing along­side one an­other, many can de­ci­pher col­leagues’ fa­cial ex­pres­sions on video calls, for in­stance, or an­tic­i­pate a co-work­er’s pref­er-ences. Over time, ex­ec­u­tives worry that new hires who are re­mote, who have not de­vel­oped such bonds, may have trou­ble ac­cli­mat-ing, or that an or­ga­ni­za­tion’s core cul­ture could de­te­ri­o­rate.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-office-is-far-away-can-its-culture-survive-11591369572?emailToken=a7dfe8a02c198dd85fe6ebe7572ba3bdaCtdTZbROhNQq2/Kgx/7owz30pZ5RPfmfdmCisiWNccBE0zHQkMXrJj/02WRQLsMhS8v+RtvyBRwhetu2PJtnGq5FKgRW0OT+xdOivly7H4%3D&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  299. Fabius Maximus says:

    Wow Candace, you have your own movement!

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1269089003518787585/photo/1

    No exploitation here, just move along!

  300. JCer says:

    Pumps, that is my experience with remote work, people can disappear for months with minimal impact but if you have a difficult problem to solve having everyone in the room makes the solution come faster.

    Fab that’s great where is the evidence of “infiltration” and lets just face it there aren’t too many white supremacist groups in the US less than 900. Memberships is certainly not high, and half of these meth addicts just blame the black community or jews for their own failures i.e are unemployed or underemployed. I’d hope the FBI is doing it’s job and has identified a lot of the people with links to these organizations and would make an effort to ensure people associated with these groups do not get jobs in law enforcement. Even if we say they have 30,000 members that a 1/100% of the population and I think you’d be hard pressed to even find that many people.

    The hard numbers do not back the narrative that police are disproportionately killing blacks. Any unnecessary death of innocent victims are too many but we need to address our criminal justice issues which unduly impact everyone in a negative way, hence my distaste for BLM, they think blacks have a monopoly on police brutality and unjustified homicide and it simply isn’t true. They are right what happened to Floyd wasn’t right, what happened to Castile and Damond was ever more wrong as they had not even committed any crime, not even a traffic violation. In the meantime the riots have inflicted more suffering in a week than a years worth of police brutality which again to Candice Owen’s point mostly effected people engaging in criminal behavior.

    Owens speaks the truth and I legitimately think that is her view point. I personally agree and all you folks in the “party of science” should too. Given the advances minorities have made, economically the black community has gone backward not in inflation adjusted terms but in actual dollars. How can that happen, are you telling me it was more financially stable for these people to live in a segregated society? The democrats are using failed policies, 23k per kid for schools in the ghetto and the kids still can’t read. Why do we see some black folks thriving while as a people in general overall conditions have gotten worse after passing civil rights legislation? I think people like Owens, Ben Carson, and Herman Cain see this and say we need to take responsibility as a person. In the case of the later 2 they made 10’s of millions in the private sector, they have no need to go into politics. I think they legitimately want to help their people and the status quo isn’t working.

    Oh and another disturbing thing I saw was an article in my apple news feed talking about latino privileged are they really going to pull that on another non-favored minority group? White privilege itself is a stretch, light skin latino privilege and they’ve gone totally off the reservation.

  301. NJCoast says:

    Grim- Hope you are feeling better soon.

  302. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “What’s missing from these protests and the coverage thereof is any awareness or recognition that despite their superficially radical rhetoric and symbolism, they are fully supported by the government, corporate, cultural, media, and technocratic power centers of US society”

    “My favorite part so far is Amazon celebrating the looting and burning of its competition.”

  303. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow, you consistently knock it out of the park.

    “Owens speaks the truth and I legitimately think that is her view point. I personally agree and all you folks in the “party of science” should too. Given the advances minorities have made, economically the black community has gone backward not in inflation adjusted terms but in actual dollars. How can that happen, are you telling me it was more financially stable for these people to live in a segregated society? The democrats are using failed policies, 23k per kid for schools in the ghetto and the kids still can’t read. Why do we see some black folks thriving while as a people in general overall conditions have gotten worse after passing civil rights legislation? I think people like Owens, Ben Carson, and Herman Cain see this and say we need to take responsibility as a person. In the case of the later 2 they made 10’s of millions in the private sector, they have no need to go into politics. I think they legitimately want to help their people and the status quo isn’t working.

    Oh and another disturbing thing I saw was an article in my apple news feed talking about latino privileged are they really going to pull that on another non-favored minority group? White privilege itself is a stretch, light skin latino privilege and they’ve gone totally off the reservation.”

  304. 3b says:

    Grim: Hope you are OK. Take care of yourself. Feel better.

  305. Juice Box says:

    Antifia or White nationalists arrested in NYC yesterday?

    https://abc7ny.com/2-men-from-ohio-busted-with-weapons-during-nyc-protests/6234303/

  306. Juice Box says:

    De Blasio NYPD has now shot past the 1,800 arrests that Bloomberg’s NYPD infamously made at the 2004 RNC convention protests. That was at the time the biggest mass arrest in New York City’s history.

  307. 3b says:

    Fab isn’t it racist to call her a sellout? Shouldn’t Black Americans have the right to have a different opinion?

    She brings up some valid points, and many Black Americans agree, you would know that if you actually spoke to any.

    No one is justifying, what happened to Mr. Floyd, it was murder plain and simple.

    But everyone is jumping on the band wagon now CEOs sending heartfelt messages. People hanging BLM signs in their windows, everyone saying we must have the conversation on race and police brutality. Agreed.

    But we must have the whole conversation the breakdown of the Black family, the absence of Fathers, the glorification of violence and mistreatment of women in rap music. The belief that getting an education is acting white.

    We need to break down the barriers too. NJ is supposed to be this
    Very liberal state yet it is incredibly segregated. Why? Because so many liberals are in fact quiet racists. We need low and moderate income housing in all towns not just Hackensack like my white liberal friends say. So let’s have a national conversation, but let’s have the entire conversation.

  308. 3b says:

    Juice what is this herba 490 you take?

  309. Juice Box says:

    I actually feel sorry for Mayor Deblasio, his daughter a 25 year old woman living in Gracie Mansion with no career or direction is now spiraling out of control.

    NSFW

    https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1269078423835521025

  310. Juice Box says:

    3B – Grim’s post from March 19th, yerba santa supplements.

    grim says:
    March 19, 2020 at 8:59 pm

    The world’s fastest supercomputer identified chemicals that could stop coronavirus from spreading, a crucial step toward a vaccine

    https://chemrxiv.org/articles/Repurposing_Therapeutics_for_the_Wuhan_Coronavirus_nCov-2019_Supercomputer-Based_Docking_to_the_Viral_S_Protein_and_Human_ACE2_Interface/11871402/3

    Yerba Santa was identified as being possibly effective in treating Coronavirus. If you are into natural shit, it’s fairly easy to find as tea or capsules…

    Funny thing is, it’s an old timey cold/flu remedy.

    http://njrereport.com/index.php/2020/03/19/c19-open-discussion-week-1/#comments

  311. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    He must have been an amazing father.

  312. 3b says:

    Juice:Thanks. My daughter is in to the natural stuff. I will check with her. I do a lot of running/walking and get stiff joints at times. She put me on Glucosamine, it really makes a difference.

  313. Juice Box says:

    3b – was tough to find supplements in March I picked up some capsules from a distributor in Florida.

    You can find it now on Amazon, a bit pricey for 180 capsules but that is a six months supply for $28

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=yerba+santa+capsules&ref=nb_sb_noss_2

    ALL DISCLAIMERS apply it could be just a placebo or a real prophylactic, no double blind studies to to back it up.

  314. Grim says:

    Ok Wtf.

    On line to get tested and shocked to see medical transport vans full of people. At least a dozen in the back, shoulder to shoulder.

  315. Juice BOx says:

    Going to be 88 degrees and sunny this afternoon in Washington DC, record crowds are expected.

    View from SPACE, the Mayor od DC has rolled the the yellow carpet….

    https://twitter.com/planetlabs/status/1269046985119727616/photo/1

    Trump won’t be coming to New Jersey this weekend after all.

  316. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    I will be taking bets shortly on Dumpy’s reelection failure. The amount of overall white youth and white female outrage supporting protests is staggering. Biden selects black VP and Trump has no counter. The wonderbread ticket with Pence will be a laugh. Only thing Dumpy can do is tan more, which I further expect him to do.

  317. Phoenix says:

    Grim,
    Feel better. For some it’s not bad, for others a rough ride. Need anything Stu has my number.

  318. Juice Box says:

    We might be in for another three months of lock-down if Covid19 spreads again and well nothing like massive crowds to spread disease. History Rhymes they did not cancel the Parade in Philly back in September of 1918, and the FLU spread like crazy afterwards.

    New cases in NYC have apparently doubled this week, but it’s still too soon to tell if we get new clusters. Record crowds this weekend in most major cities, and they aren’t threatening arrest anymore if you gather in groups, not being told to “shelter in place” perfectly fine to gather in massive crowds and protest, let’s roll out the carpet for everyone…

    Really impossible to police and enforce masks and social distancing anyway when people are protesting and partying…

  319. Juice Box says:

    listed yesterday in my neighborhood just sold multiple offers, neighbors are now posting online that their siblings want to move here from NYC ASAP and to contact them if we are interested in selling.

    Little boom for the burbs, if it continues I may consider depends on if I can work from home forever I guess.

    outside now finishing a paint and stain project On my front porch for more curb appeal as they say.

  320. chicagofinance says:

    There is a new national ad campaign by BLM that targets white millennials.
    https://youtu.be/eMQuMMhEk78?t=245

  321. chicagofinance says:

    Where has the been the reporting on this? What a sellout!
    Atlanta mayor tells protesters: Go home!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO7z6m2os2g

  322. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    We might be in for another three months of lock-down if Covid19 spreads again and well nothing like massive crowds to spread disease.

    That’s no longer an option. The massive lockdown was a one shot deal from a sustainability standpoint.

  323. Phoenix says:

    That’s no longer an option. The massive lockdown was a one shot gift to the wealthiest generations of America.

    Or so we thought. But with Murphy borrowing billions to punt the debt to the next generation, another gift is in the making to the detriment of the youth of NJ.

  324. Dink says:

    Grim,

    Feel better. I took two long, hot steamy showers a day mostly to kill time but it was helpful with the body aches. But in hindsight based on BoomerRemover’s advice, it may be partially why I had mild symptoms including no cough or respiratory issues.

  325. 3b says:

    Juice I will give it a shot.

  326. 3b says:

    Small BLM rally in my town today. Nice gesture, but I wondered to myself just how many would be OK with Black neighbors. Bergen Co. very segregated. Put it all in Hackensack!!

  327. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I don’t even think it’s genuine from people in the suburbs. These people don’t give a crap about George Floyd. We had 13 recent murders in Trenton nearby. Nobody in the Trenton protests or nearby Princeton protests can name a single one of them. And the Princeton people sure as heck didn’t show up to protest in Trenton.

    These people feel better about themselves if they take a knee for 9 minutes. That’s all it is. In doing so get to convince themselves that they are not racist. And how many of them would have even shared company with George Floyd knowing his past?

  328. 30 year realtor says:

    2b,

    Sorry to burst your bubble on Bergen County. The first community in the US to voluntarily integrate their schools was Teaneck in 1965. Englewood has a large black population and it is not all in the same part of town. Glen Rock and Ridgewood have had a primarily black neighborhood where the towns border for well over 100 years.

    There is way more that I could include. This is not to say there is a substantial black population, but it isn’t all restricted to Hackensack.

  329. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Bergenfield

    White: 52.90%
    Asian: 27.22%
    Hispanic: 10.21%
    Black: 6.93%
    Two or more races: 2.34%
    Native American: 0.40%

    And, I’m guessing Jewish fell into the White category on that data.

  330. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I have two former coworkers that I put on my social media feeds just for amusement. These people were the most sociopathic people I’ve ever encountered. Truly awful and inherently evil. The type of people that try to get others fired for fun. They have always done the pandering to progressive causes whenever it’s in the news to appear as a good person. Every other post is about BLM and their white privilege.

  331. 3b says:

    30 Year I am quite aware of the pockets of Bergen Co. that have Black sections, you left out Sands Rd in Westwood. I have lived here 30 years and grew up in the Bronx.

    I maintain what I said . It is overwhelming segregated, and lots of racism. You mention low and moderate income housing and the comment is put it in Hackensack. And I have heard that from numerous people in Bergen Co. Mention Bergenfield and people frown and make a face and say it’s not really a good town. Why? Because lots of Brown skin and working class people there. Yet ironically Bergenfield has scored higher in math SAT scores for a number of years.

  332. 3b says:

    I remember when Asians started moving into town there was a lot of uncomfortableness . My wife was a Cub Scout leader with another woman. She had one Japanese kid my wife took him under her wing, as the other woman ignored him and refused to learn his name. Before they returned to Japan a couple of years later the woman personally thanked my wife for her kindness.

    Once it was determined that Asians do well in school and play the violin it was no longer as much of an issue.

  333. Bystander says:

    Plus Asians have lil wee-wees unlike the blacks. This is what it is all about. Amirite?

  334. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Pent-Up Demand Lifts May New Home Sales 21%, Survey Finds
    Real-estate brokers say business has increased as stay-at-home restrictions ease and mortgage rates remain near record lows

    https://apple.news/A5LIK2TzWQtSOY2XEGQhnCA

  335. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Social creatures, we are. (Yoda voice)

    “Why America Is Rediscovering the Social Front Yard
    For decades we’ve burrowed into the privacy of our back gardens. Now sheltering in place has us moving those patio chairs so we can snatch a moment of human connection.”-WSJ

    https://apple.news/AXcu0PTUjRH-nIdk7N0rXCQ

  336. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “WE ALWAYS knew humans were social creatures, but not until Covid-19 placed us all under house arrest did it become markedly apparent how much we require even trivial chatter and brief connection. Lately, by 5 p.m., my usually quiescent hillside street in Silver Lake, on the east side of Los Angeles, is crackling with multigenerational banter and dogs. Lounge chairs have sprouted up in yards and driveways like propagating agave, and many of us have migrated from the penetralia of our backyards to porches and lawns.”

  337. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Results Are In for Remote Learning: It Didn’t Work
    The pandemic forced schools into a crash course in online education. Problems piled up quickly. ‘I find it hectic and stressful’

    https://apple.news/AEBGBGaHrRciEhuxjUyJT5A

  338. Phoenix says:

    “The pandemic forced schools into a crash course in online education. Problems piled up quickly. ‘I find it hectic and stressful”

    What did you expect. Stay at home mothers want to put their kids on the bus, call the maid, put up their feet, shop on Amazon while at the pool having a glass of wine, then tell you how hard their day was.

    https://bit.ly/3eVII1L

  339. Fabius Maximus says:

    Get well soon Grim. Lots of hot showers, lots and lots of fluids and sweat it out.

  340. Fabius Maximus says:

    Remember, let we forget the true ANTIFA

    https://twitter.com/NorbertElekes/status/1269229510299394048

  341. Fabius Maximus says:

    Bergenfield always makes me think of White Flight Freddy. I wonder if he is still around.

    I like BF and its a great town. Good HS, no real issues. I have some friends that have lived there since the 80s. Put their kids through the school system and all kids doing well. They had no issues with their church having Spanish and Filipino masses. They where happy the church was filled every week.

    Drove by the demonstration in Westwood today. Police were in the area, but keeping their distance and letting it play out. One interesting sign was the “Why is this a sundown town?”

  342. Fabius Maximus says:

    let = lest

  343. Fabius Maximus says:

    JCer,

    You are going to have a struggle on this argument when video like this keep coming out.
    https://twitter.com/Satellit3Heart/status/1268863536299675648

    As for Owens, At least she has moved away from the conspiracy Soros BS. I suppose she saw Alex get hit with the lawsuits and took a 180 on it.

    She has the whole “dont play the victum card”, that doesn’t get Danny Glover a cab on the UWS.

  344. 3b says:

    Fab: I have friends there. My friend has an establishment there, so there fairly often. The business district is struggling like many. But many people turn their noses up at it.

  345. Sat6-6 says:

    Juice, 9:53. Few weeks ago in Columbus Oh right wing rally to open up state guy carrying nasty Antisemitic sign (professional printed btw so not some one off) identified as member of aryan nations type group. He showed up a few weeks later a a convenience store near Kent State (for May 4 rally) Asking where he could find Jews. In hand he had a machete and hatchet. Who knows if he went to ny. Lots of crazy people on both sides. Crazy times.

  346. 3b says:

    Fab: I don’t know why they carried the sundown sign, because Westwood has had a Black section for years, called Sands Rd. Perhaps because it’s a section and not integrated with the rest of the town. It may even have been redeveloped have not been there in some time.

  347. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I grew up in Bergenfield. For the most part, everyone of every race does get along there. Although, it was a rough town in hindsight relative to what I’ve been used to. Some things that went on there were pretty messed up. There was a lot of mischief. I said this before but there was a weird culture in town where the older kids would terrorize the younger generation as they were walking down the road. Not sure if that still happens because kids are barely out anymore. There was a gigantic market for stolen bikes. People would steal a bike from a 7 year old in that town. If you left your bicycle unattended, even in your own yard for 15 minutes, it was gone. My one friends brothers (Filipino) would regularly steal them and sell them to some shop. When he turned 17, he graduated to boosting cars. Apparently, I was once in a car he stole without knowing it. But for the most part, it wasn’t dangerous and there was definitely no “systemic racism” in town.

    My best friend is from Dumont and he grew up 2 blocks from the border. He said basically, everyone in Dumont doesn’t want minorities to come in like Bergenfield (that was told to me 20 years ago). So I believe it when the neighboring communities look down on them.

    There are plenty of black families integrated throughout the community along with the asians, hispanics, and whites in BF. That being said, the black families that lived throughout town and integrated were clearly different cut from a different cloth than the concentrated black community that lived behind foster village on the Teaneck border. I have 2 black friends that I still keep in contact with from there. One walked onto Providence and played BBall for them. Later got an MBA. The other, got into drugs for a while and was expelled from high school after scoring 1590 on SAT. He only recently got his undergrad in Electrical Engineering and now works in a lab.

    The Little League Field was poppin in the 80s. The baseball in town was great and I had the good fortune of being on the dynasty team there for the 10-12 year old league, Florence Shop. Still to this day, those 3 coaches from that team (who ironically, had no kids in the league) were the most influential people in my life. They taught us how to set expectations as high as we can and work our butts off to meet them. They forced us to go into every situation expecting to win and crush the competition. They taught us how to dig ourselves out of a hole no matter how big it was. They coached the team to something like 7 straight titles. I took that mentality and applied it to basically every facet of life and it has always worked. I’m always looking to see if they ever pop up on social media because I want to thank them.

  348. Chicago says:

    I don’t watch this guy. Some one sent it to me. Still
    https://twitter.com/PJPNIG/status/1269332464939474948?s=20

  349. 3b says:

    Bergenfield got a stigma back in the late 80s 3 high school kids committed suicide, on
    High school grounds I Remember, but only one actually lived in Bergenfield.

  350. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    There were a number of suicides on those freight train tracks. A few accidental deaths as well. One kid died while riding his moped along the tracks. He got sucked under. Come to think of it, that was my first experience with people Eulogizing someone who suddenly died. They had so many good things to say about this kid. He was a walking nightmare to the neighborhood. He would run around shooting people with a BB gun at age 10. He would vandalize everyone’s property. There wasn’t a person who didn’t try to avoid him whenever he showed his face.

  351. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Alternate view of the Buffalo incident. For some reason, the guy says to focus the camera on the old people prior to.

    https://twitter.com/alexamalczewski/status/1268701175848861701

  352. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That last sentence…drop the mic

    “WFH isn’t going to kill the big urban centers, it’ll just disperse more of the workforce to the suburbs. You’ll still have to show up to meet with management or clients every so often. You might not need 8 in person presentations or demonstrations before sealing a deal but it isn’t going to zero either. Areas like R&D, product innovation just can’t be done completely on Zoom. If your job can be done 100% remotely, chances are it’s going to India or Eastern Europe at some point.

    Besides professional talent clusters, the big cities are often situated near where the many of the leading research universities are that high growth sectors like tech and healthcare collaborate with. If it was just low taxes, cheap rent, and plentiful labor, Google and Facebook would be in Arkansas instead of California.”

  353. ExEssex says:

    Grim feel better please!

  354. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Roaring 20’s 2.0

    “Mr. Krugman then completed a full retreat, saying that, “as I look at the data, I’m starting to believe that the modest job gains may well have been real”.
    Such figures are often revised upward or downward over time. But based on currently available data, the job gains are indeed real—and they’re spectacular.”

    https://apple.news/AuLeL3v_oRSarIlKe1XK0DQ

  355. JCer says:

    BRT it is funny what happens when someone dies. When I was 12 I had a friend who committed suicide, I was incredibly angry when the schools did all these sessions and the same people who mercilessly teased this kid to the point he took his own life(I assume this was the case) were talking about him as if they were his friend.

    Fab, both the far left and far right are deplorable. Action in the street is the last thing that is needed. Anyone who is a student of history knows what happens, there is escalating violence in the streets by both leftwing and rightwing paramilitary forces. People start murdering priests, each time the government changes between left and right ridiculous laws/regulations/policies are put in place by both side which disgusts the majority of people. Eventually people are forced to choose a side, the military, organized religion, and the wealthy will typically align with the right. Eventually a political leader is snatched and killed and the next thing you know you have the Spanish Civil War or Mussolini’s march on Rome (Hitlers rise in Germany had the SA conducting terror campaigns but it was more to try and force the left to cross the line to justify the coup.

    This deep divide is troubling and I fear no matter who gets elected in 2020 knuckleheads, right or left will be in the street causing trouble. As someone who has solid employment, some money, and assets this is the worst outcome. If you like your current life at all destabilizing street violence is the worst outcome.

    As for the Soros conspiracies, there is no conspiracy. He funds lots of leftwing groups, these groups are trying to advance the lefts agenda. He cannot be tied to what these groups do but he must know, and I can assure you they are involved from everything from paying people to vote to organizing street violence. I fully expect such groups also exist on the right and maybe funded by wealth people on the right.

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