C19 Open Discussion Week 29

From NJ.com:

More taxes, more spending, more borrowing! It’s party time in Trenton!

California cut $11 billion from its budget, hitting colleges and affordable housing programs. Georgia cut spending by 10 percent, pulling back spending on preschools and programs for the disabled. Tennessee lawmakers cut $1 billion, including transit programs.

New Jersey is charting a different course, increasing overall spending by 4 percent, and kicking off a new program to send checks to nearly 1 million households next summer, worth up to $500 a pop.

If we are outliers on spending, we are also outliers on borrowing.

So far, just one state has tapped into the Federal Reserve’s loan program for help. That’s Illinois, the only state that’s a worse basket case than New Jersey, with an even lower credit rating. And Illinois borrowed $1.2 billion with an agreement to pay it back in one year, a trifle by our standards.

New Jersey is about to borrow $4.5 billion, with a promise to pay it back over 12 years. That will cost us about $450 million a year, considerably more than the new millionaires’ tax will raise.

The Democrats, folks, are off the leash.

Even the party’s budget chairman, Sen. Paul Sarlo, seemed a bit embarrassed by the lack of discipline. “There is a point in time where we need to stop taxing and to do reforms,” he said, after a decade with the gavel. “We’re at the tipping point.”

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432 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 29

  1. homeboken says:

    Did you know that 97% of the people that are killed by police, both armed and unarmed are MALE?

    There is obvious systemic sexism in every police department across the country. Why are cops targeting men and not women?

  2. grim says:

    Thank god we banned paper and plastic bags though.

  3. ExEssex says:

    Straws…..banned.

  4. Hold my beer says:

    What do you expect? New Jerseyans are so clueless the machine is forced to protect you by not allowing you to pump your own gas. Even us mouth breathers in Texas figured out how to insert credit card, remove gas cap, insert nozzle and squeeze the handle.

  5. Hold my beer says:

    How many more years before New Jersey morphs into Montclair?

  6. homeboken says:

    You may hate Trump and support Biden, good for you, is what it is.

    But if you live in NJ and continue to vote for DNC sponsored leadership with their endlessly reckless spending policies, then I think you are a moron.

    NJ is still salvageable, but serious spending reforms must take place ASAP. Don’t tell me, oh that will never work here, too many hands out.

    It can work, vote only for outsiders. People with no affiliation to the unions or the that spent decades gorging themselves on the public t1t.

    Start in November, and continue until we rid the state of these psychopaths.

  7. Fast Eddie says:

    What’s going to happen when all the producers and wealth builders in the NY/NJ area leave? How do you fund law enforcement to police the riff raff? Where is the money going to come from when there’s no tax base and street after street has turned into Mogadischu? What will a self-consuming society look like? I guess we’re witnessing the beginning of it. All of this was a progressive ideology advancing for the last 60 years.
    The progressives wanted a genderless, anonymous, achromatic society. Oblammy fueled it with his transformational concepts and now we’re seeing the reality… fringe factions and pointless debate… an aimless, hapless, erratic and shiftless crusade.

  8. homeboken says:

    Eddie – a year ago I’d say your a dystopian maniac with words like that.

    Now it is either true or I’ve become a dystopian maniac as well.

    It’s very obvious how this will progress in NJ. There are real world examples out West that we can look too. CA was nice enough to be our national guinea pig.

  9. grim says:

    How many more years before New Jersey morphs into Montclair?

    Which side? Up the hill or down?

  10. grim says:

    From MarketWatch:

    The COVID-19 lockdown is squeezing real estate from all sides and threatens to burst the housing and mortgage bubble

    Recently the Federal Housing Finance Administration (FHFA) — conservator of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — extended the moratorium for both evictions and foreclosures until the end of the year. Many homeowners breathed a sigh of relief.

    Indeed, over the past few months the number of borrowers with active forbearances has declined. But that’s no reason for optimism. The more serious matter is how many homeowners are now delinquent. By the end of 2020, several million borrowers who have received mortgage forbearance will have gone nine months without making a mortgage payment.

    What impact will this have on U.S. housing and mortgage markets? Let’s start with FHA-insured loans. According to HUD’s July 2020 “Neighborhood Watch” report, 17% of 8 million insured mortgages are now delinquent. This percentage includes mortgages in forbearance as well as those not in forbearance. Hard-hit metropolitan areas include New York City with 27.2%, Miami with 24.4% and Atlanta with 21%.

    Another reason for alarm is the private, non-guaranteed (non-agency) securitized mortgages that go back to the crazy bubble years and which are still active. These were the millions of sub-prime and other non-prime loans that were egregiously underwritten, many fraudulently.

    At the peak of this activity in late 2007, more than 10 million of these mortgages were outstanding with a total debt of more than $2.4 trillion. As recently as early 2018, 25% of all delinquent borrowers nationwide had not made a mortgage payment in at least five years. In New York State, New Jersey and Washington, D.C., that percentage was more than 40%.

  11. Hold my beer says:

    Grim

    Both I suspect

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    homeboken,

    It’s unraveling. The left has truly, truly become unhinged… an undoubtedly deranged, crazy, derailed movement. If my father was alive today, he would ask when did the democrat party dissolve? They used to be the party of the hard-working class, the backbone of this nation. Lunatics attacking diners, store fronts blasted and looted, domestic terrorists encouraged by an accommodating media, taxing the lower middle class into oblivion… all masked by symbols and sound bites. They have nothing, absolutely nothing to offer to this country. The democrat party is meaningless and useless.

  13. BRT says:

    The paper are the dumbest of them all. Do they not realize that the company that manufactures paper bags has to continually grow trees to produce those bag? They act like these companies come through and tear down our forests.

  14. BRT says:

    paper bag ban that is

  15. grim says:

    Paper is idiotic.

    We’re going to dump x millions of tons of non-degradable “reusable” plastic bags into landfills now.

    The only way to make reusable bags work, is to ban the sale of reusable bags at the point of sale.

  16. leftwing says:

    “Tucker Carlson on Fox News drew 164,000 more viewers, 4.74mm.”

    Funny I never really watched Fox News and still don’t except for tuning into Tucker Carlson recently….I often have the TV on news, stock stations just for background noise, one night Carlson was the only thing really on so I tuned in.

    The guy resonates, at least on the front end of his show. I’ve seen only a handful of them but he seems to open with very spot on commentary on recent events before going a little off the rails mid-program with a deep dive into more dogmatic and less rationale thinking…

    Doesn’t surprise me he has high ratings, I suspect there is solid crossover with some indies and a good portion of working class (on their way to being former) Dems.

  17. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    I think this is the far left’s new theme song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWpoYFYGwL4

  18. Crushednjmillenial says:

    In NJ, we get the bad parts of the leftist agenda, but not the good parts

    We get the reckless, irresponsible spending. We get the job-killing high taxes. We get the unreasonable regulations. We get the identity politics. We get urban political machines. We get climate hysteria.

    We don’t get legal marijuana (legal in 10+ states already). We don’t get actual poverty alleviation. We don’t get social programs that work. We don’t get brilliant technocratic policies that overcome political considerations and will be standard across the us in 50 years.

  19. leftwing says:

    So had some time to ponder recent events….here’s my personal view from a libertarian/classic liberalism perspective…

    Three situations are in play all of which will be resolved by Jan 20 – the WH, the Senate, and whether ABC will be seated on SCOTUS.

    Obviously three-for-three is a sweep and O-for-three is a disaster…I would take one for a push, and two for a win BUT ONLY in the following order of importance:

    1. Senate
    2. ABC
    3. WH

    So, if we end up with just the Senate and lose the other two I’m not happy but a push. Anything less is a loss. If we get Senate and ABC but lose the WH, I’ll take that as a win. Trading DJT for ABC and split government actually may not be a bad thing.

    Getting just ABC or the WH is a loss. Getting both ABC and WH but losing the Senate I’d call a push.

    FWIW. Not losing any hair over any of these three pending changes…I’ll reserve panic until we go o-for-three. Otherwise, same sh1t, different day and party.

  20. Phoenix says:

    “There is obvious systemic sexism in every police department across the country. Why are cops targeting men and not women?”

    Men are disposable. Would you like more sexism? Click “View your case info” when you get to this page-Enjoy the pop-up:

    And that organization is run by a Woman.

    https://www.njchildsupport.org/Case-Information.aspx

  21. Phoenix says:

    F N.J. and all it stands for. Keep your Murphy and his taxes. And his sexist websites.

  22. 3b says:

    Crushed: There won’t be a US in 50 years, at least not in its present form.

  23. Phoenix says:

    “They used to be the party of the hard-working class, the backbone of this nation.”

    Well, that used to have value. Doesn’t any more. All that gets you is a part time job with no health insurance, no pension, no benefits. Or, you could try this:

    Just wiggle yourself on TikTok and you get 5m dollars. Only education you need is cheerleading dance routines from age 8 and a pretty face. And, for the women who “claim” that there is sexism in pay, how come all of the men are paid less here than all of the women are? I thought women always make less money than men do? Yeah that’s a load as well.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2020/08/06/tiktoks-highest-earning-stars-teen-queens-addison-rae-and-charli-damelio-rule/#1b6b225e5087

  24. leftwing says:

    Phoenix, getting closer and closer to getting out of here….

    Also, decreased my child support unilaterally….had a good sit down with my sons that was not at all derogatory to their mother and avoided any discussion of the sh1tshow marriage or the divorce…just explained a few things to them from my perspective, what I needed personally as I continued with my life and my life with them, and that if they hear some things to understand that they know me well enough and we have the type of relationship that I want them to pick up the phone and call me before making any judgment but that I promise I would personally not draw them in and ideally they will hear nothing…

    Promptly thereafter, I whacked her child support in half. She screamed like wet cat but I haven’t heard anything since and the reduced checks are being cashed….

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    The party of p.ussy hats.

  26. Phoenix says:

    Left,
    Did you click on the link? Like WTF to men who support their kids. If you put something like that online about women it would make it all over national television.

    It’s the one thing I dislike about my own gender. It does not support it’s own. Women can organize and get the yellow lines on the street painted pink if that’s what they want.

    20/20 had a show on Melanie McGuire the other night. 2 brainiac female “professors” from N.J. made a podcast casting doubt about her conviction. Not sure if this is why 20/20 did the show, but what a bunch of noise from these two about how she should be freed. The evidence against her was overwhelming.

  27. 3b says:

    Left: Can’t she take you to court for that?

  28. BRT says:

    The NBA is going to have to rethink their approach. This nonstop in your face SJW agenda has turned off a lot of fans. Nobody that I used to actually go to NBA games with on a regular basis is even talking about the playoffs. These aren’t right wing ideologues. They are just people that don’t feel like hearing about partisan politics. I don’t turn on CNN, Fox, or MSNBC for good reason. It’s garbage and I don’t want to hear it.

  29. BRT says:

    It’s the one thing I dislike about my own gender. It does not support it’s own.

    Not true. It’s supported through the PATRIARCHY!

  30. homeboken says:

    Sen. Blumenthal (D-CT) – apparently there are unwritten rules in the Senate that supercede the constitution. This guy is one of 50 very powerful elected leaders.

    What a disgrace…

    https://twitter.com/SRCC/status/1310023641313226753?s=09

  31. Phoenix says:

    “Left: Can’t she take you to court for that?”

    Go back to the website I posted. You don’t need to take someone to court for child support. You just file a claim online. It’s done “Ex Parte.”

    She could file- a judge can read her file, then put in an order. The first time you will find out is when you get a notice in the mail there is a judgment against you. No warning, no discussion, you never get to state your argument. You would think it would be like a traffic ticket – nope, not at all.

  32. Phoenix says:

    BRT,
    Either that is sarcasm, which since you are a teacher should follow by a /s, or the aerosolized estrogen from the female majority in your profession is starting to make hormonal changes in your thought process.

  33. Phoenix says:

    “This nonstop in your face SJW agenda has turned off a lot of fans.”

    Funny, these types of movements seems okay when feminists have gone down the same route-along with other movements that claim to be “victims.” It’s a tried and true strategy.

    Guess its when the violence and looting starts is when you have pushed it a bit too far.

    Difference is they are getting shot and killed. I mean, really, you shot a 13 year old autistic child in the back 4 times. What kind of training tells you to shoot unarmed children? Race was not even an issue there.

    Funny I watched a back episode of Criminal Minds. Absolutely amazing how on TV how long these FBI guys try and talk a criminal from killing someone while they are holding a weapon, and even reholster their own. No wonder people think police are heroes- they see the actors on TV acting reasonably and empathically, but in real life that guy would have 30 rounds in his torso and the hostage would have 20.

  34. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Haha which do you think?

  35. ExEssex says:

    12:20 you ever stop to consider that the Feds are planting black Ops types in the crowds to incite and arouse.

  36. 1987 Condo says:

    I think the LA Times just apologized for their existence…

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-27/los-angeles-times-apology-racism

  37. Phoenix says:

    “12:20 you ever stop to consider that the Feds are planting black Ops types in the crowds to incite and arouse.”

    Feds? Not sure, but everything is on the table. Could just be the opposing team simply going in on their own to incite. There is lots of incentive and money at stake.

    Disinformation is at an all time high in America. It’s becoming a more and more distasteful place to live.

  38. Phoenix says:

    Haha which do you think?

    Won’t even venture to guess. But I do think you are one of the good teachers if that means anything.

  39. leftwing says:

    Sen. Blumenthal (D-CT)….is a feeble minded freak. I can’t help it, every time I see him speak I can’t get the image of James William Bottomtooth III out of my mind…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zfs5s-VQA0&ab_channel=husenlee

  40. leftwing says:

    3b, phoenix, yes should could file.

    Calculated risk. She hurts her relationship with the kids if she does….Plus, I almost hope she does because I will re-open….her take from me made her among the wealthiest women in our fairly well off town…she’s had a couple of great gen bonuses land in her lap since then…I think, depending on the judge, I’d have a reasonable shot at getting out of everything.

  41. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’ve been around academia way toouch to know that intelligent women have a golden ticket to prosperity in the current environment.

  42. Phoenix says:

    LW,
    The online system for C/S is so bad that a woman you broke up with could file for support for her cat-and they would garnish your pay without even thinking about it twice.
    And if she did this they probably would not even penalize her nor make her pay any of it back.
    Did you click on that link?

  43. Phoenix says:

    “I’ve been around academia way touch to know that intelligent women have a golden ticket to prosperity in the current environment.”

    And when they “rape” their students, it’s called a “tryst,” they get rewarded with probation or a minimum sentence. Daily Mail posts one about once a week in the USA- Covid may have finally put a stop to that.

  44. Phoenix says:

    Damn Eddie,
    At first I thought you posted ACAB, not ACB.

  45. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    In grad school at Rutgers, I knew of 3 instances while I was there in which professors in their late 40s dated their 22 year old grad students and even married them. This was all in my department. I don’t even want to know how widespread it was. Those girls all graduated with PhDs a year early.

  46. homeboken says:

    Not a huge fan of the ACB shirts for one reason. I abhor the deification of individuals or groups of people. A great judge should not even be on my radar screen, the law should be applied as written. If the law deserves to be changed, we have a legislature to accomplish that.

    Same feeling for the worship of doctors and nurses during early covid. Same with cops and fireman.

    Stop worshipping certain professions for doing their job.
    There are of course times when an individual acts heroically, we should celebrate that. But in late March we crowned all nurses as godlike, by April they were mostly know for filing TikTok videos in between patients.

    Extraordinary acts are just that, extraordinary and rare. We dilute the meaning of the word “hero” very frequently in this country.

  47. ExEssex says:

    1:10 they covered the news from where they were.
    It’s a fact that law enforcement and fire personnel would not
    go to some areas due to how dangerous these places
    were in the 80s. Today? Probably not as bad.

  48. BRT says:

    Not only did you crown them godlike, but at the time they were sticking everyone on a ventilator. A large amount of nurses and doctors are simple robots that follow protocol. This happens for seniors all the time. No matter what you come in with, they put you on bed rest with a feeding tube. Atrophy sets in immediately and your ultimate demise is that much more likely over the next couple of months.

  49. ExEssex says:

    Mr. Trump paid no federal income taxes in 11 of 18 years that The Times examined. In 2017, after he became president, his tax bill was only $750.

    He has reduced his tax bill with questionable measures, including a $72.9 million tax refund that is the subject of an audit by the Internal Revenue Service.

    Many of his signature businesses, including his golf courses, report losing large amounts of money — losses that have helped him to lower his taxes.

    The financial pressure on him is increasing as hundreds of millions of dollars in loans he personally guaranteed are soon coming due.

    Even while declaring losses, he has managed to enjoy a lavish lifestyle by taking tax deductions on what most people would consider personal expenses, including residences, aircraft and $70,000 in hairstyling for television.

    Ivanka Trump, while working as an employee of the Trump Organization, appears to have received “consulting fees” that also helped reduce the family’s tax bill.

    As president, he has received more money from foreign sources and U.S. interest groups than previously known. The records do not reveal any previously unreported connections to Russia.

  50. Juice Box says:

    I did not see anything we did not already know, massive carry forward losses, money from the apprentice carried him, as many of his properties lose money. Buried in there is he paid some taxes in 2008 approx $70 million, but the rest of the time nothing really.

    What is most interesting is the NY Times seems to have all of his taxes going back decades, somebody lifted them from his accounting firm or even the IRS itself.Might be Chinese hackers Trying to help Sleeping Joe. There is going to be a mad scramble to find out who, all rich people use various tax avoidance not available to the common man don’t want average people to know how the tax code favors the rich.

  51. leftwing says:

    “Not a huge fan of the ACB shirts for one reason. I abhor the deification of individuals or groups of people.”

    I’m not a fan because they are so WHITE. Stop the fcuking punctuation. ACB. Not A.C.B. Your privilege is showing.

    “What is most interesting is the NY Times seems to have all of his taxes going back decades, somebody lifted them…”

    Politics. No big deal. Timing and impact. Take the hit from the disclosures and knock someone else’s teeth out next shift. Go back to the bench whining and everyone knows your a bitch and you’re done.

  52. ExEssex says:

    How’d they get Al Capone I ask….

  53. ExEssex says:

    Oh, everyone loves a Tax cheat….;)

  54. ExEssex says:

    Trump’s a f$cking Welfare Queen.

  55. leftwing says:

    So…feelin’ alright….just came back from a local brew farm which in NYS can both serve food and have live music….live trio, the classics…including a woman with an outstanding voice doing ‘Halleljuah’. Camping chairs on the lawn, leaves changing, sunshine, mid-70s, nice breeze. Should not even be here but…the 911 blew a tire last night on way back from dinner, of course no spare or even donut….three hours from tap out to flatbed dropping it, so instead of leaving at 10a this morning I’m here overnight hoping someone, anyone has not only Pirelli 305/30/20s but a fcuking machine to mount them…guess life could be worse. Do like the younger upstate women. Ha!. Also have to love the ‘second nation’ up here….they take the Gadsen don’t tread on me flag and turn it into a ‘Don’t tread on upstate’ and mount it next to a trump 2020 or a “any competent adult 2020” sign. Lol. My peeps.

  56. ExEssex says:

    6:50 Damn…. just slapped two new tires on the M3 – fronts Ventus from Hankook.
    Got an insane deal on them and had a set on the back. Ride instantly improved.
    Thanks to new Bilstein’s that lil’ vert corners on rails.

  57. leftwing says:

    “LW, The online system for C/S is so bad…Did you click on that link?”

    Kind of. Not really relevant. My serve went over the net, her decision how to play it. Multi-variable. And if she is dumb enough to do that kind of ‘one and done’ numb nut filing it’s to my benefit. She loses, emotionally, the kids. I’ll refile on everything. And have a fcuking ball tearing her finances apart.

    Cross-check to the teeth, and I shrug to the ref like oh gee I didn’t really mean that, my bad…

    Phoenix, I’m five years out of a signed doc stamped by the court and eight years out of when we actually started the separation. Most important is your kid’s (and your) well being. Immediately behind is how you play it to assure the above. It’s a process, not an easy or quick event. With my guys now in/out of college I’ve had the opportunity to sit with them and get their opinions, and it’s interesting. My 20 year old has told me some things that are so obvious and simple I really kick myself for not seeing them in advance….hindsight is 20/20, but I’ve learned. And, yeah, I owe that b1tch a cross check on the numbers hard from behind into the boards with a stretcher taking her off the ice. And it will happen, but happen only when I’m sure that even after my boys and I will be better than we are now. When you take a bad hit – like you and I each have – don’t be stupid. Take a number. It’s a long game.

  58. leftwing says:

    SX, yeah, I’m fcuked I’m in the middle of the woods lol. My tread on the other rear feels fine but with the flat I can’t get underneath and that’s important because the 911 has both negative camber and toe in even on the rears so the wear you need to watch is on the inside wall of the rears. The flat is passenger rear so easily even with the same make/model tire I’m replacing two rears to keep the axle balanced but I really don’t want to mess with the fronts and IMO shouldn’t have to because they are different widths anyway to start so what does it matter if they don’t change?

    Either way, it’s going to be one expensive fcuking dinner last night all-in lol….Plus I’m now missing a new doc appointment and my flu shot tomorrow before flying cross country Friday….

    Whatever…the farm brewery took a nice edge off. Plus i have some outstanding specialty olive oil for the potatoes that I’m sure you in particular would appreciate lol….back out to the lake. See you guys. G’night.

  59. BRT says:

    Is this news? You are just figuring out the mega rich skip paying taxes? I got an idea, let’s raise them even more so those that actually do pay get screwed more and those that skip keep paying nothing.

  60. ExEssex says:

    Uh, if Trump told his lenders he was making millions of dollars but he told the IRS the exact opposite that is a felony.

  61. Fabius Maximus says:

    Left,

    Good luck finding those. My cousin had an M6. Every time she hit a pothole, the car would end up in Bloomfied BMW for two weeks waiting on Pirellis coming in.
    #FirstWorldProblems … :*)

  62. Fabius Maximus says:

    Left/ Phoenix,

    “Take a number. It’s a long game.” Honestly, is it really worth it? Just let it go and move on.
    Left, you say you have great boys, as Neil Diamond said in his divorce “she was worth every penny”. Look at it from that angle.

    You cant change the past just learn from it. Wish her a happy life and move on with your own.

  63. Fabius Maximus says:

    “You can not jail a corporation” No but under SOX, you can jail the CEO when he signs off.

    I remember when that came it. There was a LOT of attention from the C Suite.

  64. Fabius Maximus says:

    it = in

  65. Phoenix says:

    Fab,
    It’s not as cut and dry as you would think sometimes. Trust me on that.

  66. Phoenix says:

    LW,
    I hear ya. The reason I mentioned to click on the link is a specific “pop up” comes up. It’s what’s in the popup that is interesting.

  67. ExEssex says:

    9:54

    Prosecutors Investigating the Trump Organization Zero In on Trump CFO Allen Weisselberg is one of the Trump Organization’s longest tenured employees and is now co-running the business. He escaped federal prosecution for the Stormy Daniels payments but is now a focus of an investigation by Manhattan’s district attorney.

  68. leftwing says:

    “Uh, if Trump told his lenders he was making millions of dollars but he told the IRS the exact opposite that is a felony.”

    You may think so but not.

    Entire swaths of the financial advisory, banking, accounting, and legal industries solely exist to make the gap between what someone is ‘making’ and what they are ‘reporting’ on their tax returns as large as possible.

    Hell, the US government itself subscribes to it, eg. accelerated depreciation.

    Among three ‘generally accepted’ accounting methods – IAS, GAAP, and tax – it would be winning lottery ticket odds that they all show the same income for the exact same, identical set of corporate books and records.

    Not to mention that it’s not like Trump made any reference to his income in his debt dealings with banks. When you borrow $150m for a golf course it’s not like he uses a residential mortgage application lol. No ‘what is your annual income’ line.

  69. homeboken says:

    Here we are again – The national base of knowledge of how commercial real estate loans, accelerated depreciation losses, capital stack structure and the allocation of those losses is so far over the head of the average voter that it might as well be on Pluto.

    The system is absolutely designed to give favorable tax treatment to commercial real estate owners. There is no denying that.

    However, a businessman utilizing the tax code to maximize his returns is not a crime, in fact it isn’t even unethical, it is his obligation to do it. These are the same methods employed by tens of thousands of real estate owners across the country.

    If you have an issue with it, fine. The tax code could certainly be changed. But trying to pin some nefarious action on a singe institutional multi-family owner for operating under the rules of the game, is awfully weak.

    Ask any of the multi-owners here: Do you think it is illegal to claim depreciation losses on your tax returns? If you do, then by all means, stop claiming the deductions and pay extra tax. The Dept of Revenue will be happy to accept it.

  70. homeboken says:

    This is dead-on balls accurate. Ask me how I know!

    leftwing says:
    September 28, 2020 at 7:17 am
    “Uh, if Trump told his lenders he was making millions of dollars but he told the IRS the exact opposite that is a felony.”

    You may think so but not.

    Entire swaths of the financial advisory, banking, accounting, and legal industries solely exist to make the gap between what someone is ‘making’ and what they are ‘reporting’ on their tax returns as large as possible.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you don’t see a problem with a billionaire (he said it) paying 700 dollars in taxes, you are THE PROBLEM!

    Just remember, trump is only one guy. How many other rich individuals are doing this? Hiding a lot of money and playing accounting games that should be illegal, but the rich bought the tax law.

    At the end of the day, if you want to make America great again, you have to get the rich to understand why they have to pay a higher percentage on their income (or wealth) than the avg individual. Till then, it’s just a slow slow road towards fiscal insolvency with govt unable to pay the cost of society without borrowing money.

    If the rich really cared about their country, state, and town; they would donate some money so that the govt doesn’t have to borrow, but guess what, guess who makes money on Uncle Sam borrowing money. Who do you think that interest on that borrowing goes to? And then you have lefty’s/no one’s of the world crying about how they pay too much in taxes…

  72. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    Did you not get the red hat dolt memo? The guy who utilizes every loophole to avoid paying a dime in taxes ( thereby dumping it back on the US common man to pay) is also the worshipable, poobah defender of US common man. Make us great again..again.

  73. homeboken says:

    Pumpkin – I don’t disagree with you, the tax code is problematic. It offers an insane # of shelters for the rich. Even worse, corporations, since 1986, have been able to turn their tax corporate tax liability into a yield driven investment event via Low-Income Housing Tax Credits.

    I don’t suggest doing it, but if you really want to see the tax code being manipulated and molded to favor the wealthy banks, take a read through IRC Code – Section 42. It’s only 350 pages.

    The point is – there is nothing that is illegal. If the standard you are setting for your elected leaders is that they should be striving for the highest moral standard, even when it will negatively impact their own economic interest, well good luck with that.

    Change the code sure. Expect people to not use the code to their advantage is a bridge too far.

  74. Libturd says:

    What Trump is doing with his taxes is not illegal or immoral. It’s simply disgusting and goes a long way to explain this.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DlEf7S5XsAAVhb3?format=jpg&name=small

    Besides NJ’s fiscal mess, this chart above is why if you are not in the top 1%, you are better off nearly anywhere else in the world. This and the fact that our countries politics are headed backwards.

    Yesterday, I spoke with a close friend of mine who is a big Dem volunteer who agrees with me on a lot of the faults with the DNC, if not all of them. This guy has spent hours and hours phone banking and canvassing in PA. I asked him what he thought of the general, and he said he is very worried. Why? He said that his perception of the average PA voter he canvassed is that they think the blacks have gotten too much power. I said, what power? He said, it doesn’t matter. That is their perception and the DNC can’t change it.

    Felt it was an interesting take on the election that I hadn’t heard before, but perhaps we are still a pretty racist country?

  75. Fast Eddie says:

    Did Hunter Biden release his tax returns yet? My friend wants to know.

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Home,

    The only people that can change the tax code are the people who got us here in the first place. That’s why I said we have to get the rich to realize the problem they are creating. They are slowly bankrupting the nation. They are directly responsible for that debt, not the common man, which they like to blame. (Blaming social services like social security…)

  77. A Home Buyer says:

    Joyce,

    That article from NJ is terrible writing. It is not 10% of the total number of ballots cast. Its 10% of the rejected ballots cast.

    Only 2.3% of the ballots cast were rejected. 12% of those rejected were rejected because they were not signed.

    Out of 1.28 Million… 35,000 were rejected. ~4500 of those ~35,000 was because the sender forgot to sign them.

  78. BRT says:

    Lib,

    I’m not going to agree with the average sentiment of a PA voter, but on some level they are right, and it has to do with influence right now. Now this may die out in a month or two…but on a local board meeting where we have 700 parents looking to get their kids back into school, the superintendent will blow off every parent unless they are black and claiming racism….usually they are still complaining about 1 incident that happened last year. We are all limited to “2 minutes” while they get unlimited time, and boy do they use it. He’ll spend 20 minutes answering them about and 15 seconds blowing us off. And, before you know, times up and they’ll see us next month. Maybe he’s doing it on purpose because it’s obvious his goal is to keep school closed for the next 6 months.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Look at the pension problem. Rich people didn’t want to pay taxes for it. So they stole for 20 years, knowing they would be gone when the problem became real.

    So they had these awesome services which drove up their real estate values and provided a fabulous setting to raise their kids. Most of all those kids are successful thanks to the setting that was created in jersey. What did they pay for it? Almost nothing. Borrowed and robbed for over 20 years (robbed by not paying into the pension sysytem for 20 years). These goons are now dead or bragging about how they avoided nj taxes by moving to the south. Locusts. These same people claim they are patriots.

    It’s sad. If they kept up the yearly payments, it would be like 500 million per year right now for the pension. Instead, took the small percentage tax savings for 20 years and will run when the bill comes due.

  80. Chicago says:

    Agreeing. There are tons of 1031 exchange intermediaries and structured products in support of these activities. When they talk about the TCJA and how it was telling that all kinds of tax avoidance strategies were eliminated, but real estate remained untouched. This is the heart of it right there.

    This is real estate 101.

    leftwing says:
    September 28, 2020 at 7:17 am
    “Uh, if Trump told his lenders he was making millions of dollars but he told the IRS the exact opposite that is a felony.”

    You may think so but not.

    Entire swaths of the financial advisory, banking, accounting, and legal industries solely exist to make the gap between what someone is ‘making’ and what they are ‘reporting’ on their tax returns as large as possible.

    Hell, the US government itself subscribes to it, eg. accelerated depreciation.

    Among three ‘generally accepted’ accounting methods – IAS, GAAP, and tax – it would be winning lottery ticket odds that they all show the same income for the exact same, identical set of corporate books and records.

    Not to mention that it’s not like Trump made any reference to his income in his debt dealings with banks. When you borrow $150m for a golf course it’s not like he uses a residential mortgage application lol. No ‘what is your annual income’ line.

  81. Chicago says:

    In true goyim fashion, happy Yom Kippur In true goyim fashion, “happy Yom Kippur”

  82. SomeOne says:

    BRT,

    We are all limited to “2 minutes” while they get unlimited time, and boy do they use it.

    In your opinion, are all the non-blacks a homogenous “we” and all blacks “they”? It is a bit disturbing that a public school teacher has this mindset.

  83. ExEssex says:

    Trump has not released his own taxes, but the New York Times reported on Sunday that he paid no federal income taxes that year.

    Yet on Twitter, Trump at the time complained that Obama’s rate was 20.5%, according to an old tweet that’s resurfaced in light of the new revelations:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    @BarackObama who wants to raise all our taxes, only pays 20.5% on $790k salary. http://1.usa.gov/HFZJKH Do as I say not as I do.

  84. Fast Eddie says:

    I’ll take, “Another Crisis That Will Die Quickly” for $500, Alex.

  85. Hold my beer says:

    The .001% response to the public’s shock at Trump’s tax returns.

    Look at you now look at me. How you like that?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tpd63k6dHM

  86. ExEssex says:

    9:52 let’s see how Tuesday goes for Donny.

  87. Fast Eddie says:

    Yes, he’s like, totally qualified to lead…

    https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1309930188730511360

  88. Fast Eddie says:

    She looks pretty good for a guy named John. And then goes on the stutter and mumble.
    LMAO!!

    https://twitter.com/TCPigott/status/1309912861041397761

  89. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Ugh, reheated old moldy fake news. We already knew trump doesn’t pay taxes. The same bombshell as kushner’s tax info leaking a few years ago. A bigger deal would be finding anyone in that income stratosphere who does pay taxes.

    And I thought the tax return bombshell was going to be trumps Russian debt leverage? St least that was the fake news byline when they were still promoting the collusion hoax.

    I guess they don’t want to mention Russia now that the fake narrative collapsed.

  90. ExEssex says:

    9:57 betcha Biden destroys Trump tomorrow.

  91. ExEssex says:

    10:03 You sound brainwashed.

  92. ExEssex says:

    Here’s a new twist:

    Donald Trump’s tax filings show the Trump Organization once paid $747,622 to a consultant for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver, Canada
    In Ivanka’s own public disclosure forms filed when she joined the White House staff in 2017, she reported receiving a sum for a consulting firm she co-owns
    The sum she reported was an exact match to the consulting fees paid out by the Trump Organization for the hotel projects
    It suggests that Ivanka was being used as a consultant on the same hotel deals that she helped manage as part of her executive role at the Trump Organization

  93. 3b says:

    Essex: I think you exaggerate. He may do well, but he certainly won’t crush trump. They will both be taking extra doses of Geritol tomorrow.

  94. homeboken says:

    If I am not mistaken, there are a fair number of posters here that have a bit of a Libertarian streak –

    Through that lens, how do you react to the fact that a widely distributed, national media company decided to publish personal information that was shared illegally?

    Would you be willing to accept a complete record keeping of say, Joe Biden’s medical records be printed in the Wall St. Journal, in clear violation of HIPPA laws?

    I am not a lawyer so perhaps this is not a big deal. But it seems to me that someone in the line between the IRS and the NYT broke a law in sharing the documents.

  95. SmallGovConservative says:

    Juice box says:
    September 27, 2020 at 5:55 pm
    “NY times has Trumps’s tax returns.”

    Yet another example of our descent into third-worldism. No, not the amount of tax that Trump paid — or didn’t. The fact that someone at the IRS decided to release private information on a political opponent, and of course that the ‘newspaper of record’ was more than happy to run with it. I assume the Dems would be fine with an employee at Walter Reed releasing Biden’s medical records to Fox News, right?

  96. ExEssex says:

    There’s the $300m in loans that are all coming due
    yet no indication on where Trump got the money.

  97. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    All this tax return stuff is fake news fodder for trump haters. Meaningless in the big picture but serves as a distraction.

    I guess ivanka is self dealing. Didn’t know that was possible in a private company. BFD. Fools eat it up.

    The nuclear explosion about to happen is going to be the vote by mail debacle. The red flags are everywhere. Ballots in the trash, ballots for cash. Duplicate ballots.

    I think there is a strong likelihood that there will be disputed election on both sides and I don’t see an easy way out.

  98. ExEssex says:

    10:13 go for it! These Trump documents
    were declassified the old fashioned way….
    They were leaked!!!

    Freedom of information
    act ….fuuuuuuck you Donny.

  99. ExEssex says:

    10:24 i predict Trump will be crushed in the election.
    There is literally no reason for him to be in ” public service “.
    He’s a deeply corrupt shitbag.

  100. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Who knows, maybe The NY Times or their source made that up completely. They do it all the time and we have no way to verify. They abandoned journalists standards years ago.

  101. homeboken says:

    Ex – Your grasp of commercial real estate is very poor. I’d sit this one out.

    $300MM is not a personal liability, it is a loan that is secured by an income prodcuing property and almost certainly is :non-recourse: to the gurantor with the exception of certain “bad boy” carveouts.

  102. Bystander says:

    But you like the hacked DNC emails, right? Hypocrites..

  103. ExEssex says:

    It isn’t a new idea that President Trump is better at playing a billionaire on TV than earning enough money to be one in real life. But The New York Times got the goods to prove it — 18 years worth of tax documents, from 2000 to 2018 — and released the first bombshell Sunday night (while promising to “publish additional articles about our findings” in coming weeks). It’s a doozy.

    One eye-catching takeaway from the deep look into Trump’s strenuously shielded tax filings is that Trump loses a lot of money. Like, a lot. He loses millions at his prized foreign and U.S. golf properties, the Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C., and many of the roughly 500 entities that make up the Trump Organization.

    The Times also details how Trump uses those deep-red losses to avoid paying federal income tax, at least in the U.S. There was a two-year period in which he made too much money to avoid paying taxes, thanks to his share in NBC’s The Apprentice, but he then filed for a refund when the opportunity presented itself after the 2008 financial meltdown. That $72.9 million in refunded taxes plus interest is under audit and has been for years, the Times reports. Trump paid just $750 in federal income tax in both 2016 and 2017, the most recent years in the data the Times obtained.

  104. BRT says:

    In your opinion, are all the non-blacks a homogenous “we” and all blacks “they”? It is a bit disturbing that a public school teacher has this mindset.

    FYI, the town is 20% black, share the same concerns as I do with respect to schools staying closed, and the same has happened to them unless they are issuing a claim of a racist incident. So no. I was specifically referring to those that would raise such issues.

    So you ask me if I have that mindset, don’t wait for my answer, and immediately claim that I have that mindset?

  105. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Bombshell, huge, game changer, beginnings of the end, ya da ya da.

  106. ExEssex says:

    10:32 you should change you ID the Truth is the Enema.
    Cause Trump is a massive shitshow.

  107. ExEssex says:

    Trump has previously blasted the long-running quest for his financial records as a ‘continuation of the most disgusting witch hunt in the history of our country’.

    The businessman is the only modern president who has refused to release his tax returns.

    Before he was elected, he had promised to do so.

    The newspaper said Trump initially paid $95 million in taxes over the 18 years it studied. But he managed to recover most of that money by claiming — and receiving — a stunning $72.9 million federal tax refund.

    According to the Times, Trump also pocketed $21.2 million in state and local refunds, which are typically based on federal filings.

    Trump’s outsize refund became the subject of a now-long-standing Internal Revenue Service audit of his finances. The audit was widely known. Trump has claimed it was the very reason why he cannot release his returns. But the Times report is the first to identify the issue that was mainly in dispute.

    As a result of the refund, Trump paid an average $1.4 million in federal taxes from 2000 to 2017, the Times reported. By contrast, the average U.S. taxpayer in the top .001% of earners paid about $25 million annually over the same time-frame.

  108. Phoenix says:

    “Through that lens, how do you react to the fact that a widely distributed, national media company decided to publish personal information that was shared illegally?”

    I don’t care. If he were honest he would produce them anyway. Anyone who chooses to be president should allow themselves to be vetted completely. If you can’t handle that you don’t deserve the title. Biden’s medical records are fair game as well. As a citizen you should have the right to know the health of someone who is about to govern your country.
    I feel both of these items should have to be disclosed if you ever want your name on the ballot. Or find someone else to do the job.

  109. Phoenix says:

    Football was great yesterday. So glad it’s back. I really hope Covid does not shut it down.
    Glad those guys are back at work giving those of us the entertainment that we need right now.

  110. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    It has been at times but the blame doesn’t rest with him in large part. The left, the media etc have abandoned who they were.

    They know longer care about liberty, the truth freedom. Everything is now about perpetuating the politically correct narrative. To hell with liberty, truth, science, academia if it’s inconvenient to the cause.

    The blow to democracy that Obama struck when he tried to abort the incoming administration was also devastating to our system.

    He didn’t like the election results so he attempted to undermine and destroy trump. The left has never come clean on that. It was a major abandonment of our democratic process which we should have expected from a guy whose political mentor was a terrorist.

  111. Phoenix says:

    Dems,
    You should be ashamed at yourselves for the last two candidates you brought to the table.

    A used prophylactic could have beaten Trump. You have outdone yourselves.

  112. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – I don’t see anyone calling for the NY Times reporters to be droned. The guy that simply published the hacked DNC emails is sitting in a Prison in England waiting to be sent here for prosecution. They have been after him for a decade do the the cables and other leaks published by him, what did Hillary as Secretary of State, at the time. Can’t we just drone this guy?

    https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562/photo/1

  113. Phoenix says:

    If golf courses lose so much money, why do people own them? Doesn’t that just make them government supported places for snobs to hit white balls, get drunk and avoid the nag you married?

  114. Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    See, does not matter which side. This is why that pre-Karen did not become president. They are all so dirty to the core and pretend to be pious.
    Why is everyone so afraid of the truth?

  115. chicagofinance says:

    I understand your point, but there is not supposed to be an equivalence. Obama is on record stating “pay your fair share”.

    ExEssex says:
    September 28, 2020 at 9:49 am
    Trump has not released his own taxes, but the New York Times reported on Sunday that he paid no federal income taxes that year.

    Yet on Twitter, Trump at the time complained that Obama’s rate was 20.5%, according to an old tweet that’s resurfaced in light of the new revelations:

    Donald J. Trump
    @realDonaldTrump
    @BarackObama who wants to raise all our taxes, only pays 20.5% on $790k salary. http://1.usa.gov/HFZJKH Do as I say not as I do.

  116. Phoenix says:

    The Amish have it right.
    Instead of increasing y0ur skill of batting a white ball around, go with a bunch of your friends and raise a barn or something that is a real skill with some real benefits. Imagine how much money could be saved if instead of hiring contractors everyone got together and built a school.
    Sure, right now many would not know the difference between 12g and 14g wire but if instead of getting drunk and hitting white balls around maybe they would.

  117. chicagofinance says:

    I think the point is that there is possibly a person on the payroll of New York state or the IRS (a public employee) who violated a core principle of their job. Unless it is someone related to a legal firm or CPA firm. The NYT Reporter is just doing their job.

    Bystander says:
    September 28, 2020 at 10:30 am
    But you like the hacked DNC emails, right? Hypocrites..

  118. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    Seems like Obama’s 20.5% on $790k salary (income?) is due to a 160 or 170k charitable donation, so seems like he is paying a fair share, and was advocating for a chance in law to have that share increased further.

  119. 3b says:

    I hated golf during my days at GS, bored to tears, but it was expected in fact demanded that you play. Others too felt the same way. Too bad bowling did not become the choice game for the sophisticated set; much more fun.

  120. Juice Box says:

    Wired did a good write up 3 years ago, foreign intelligence services may have stolen Trumps tax returns already.

    Who said the Chinese don’t like Sleeping Joe? Nobody…

    https://www.wired.com/story/trumps-taxes-have-probably-already-been-hacked/

  121. Phoenix says:

    “Trump’s tax records show he’s ‘carrying $421million in loans, his properties are in debt and he wrote off $70,000 for his haircuts on The Apprentice and $100,000 for Ivanka’s favorite stylist”

    Perfect fit for America. Just like the country he is broke and in debt, and finding ways to hide from paying it. America is the same, broke and passing the debt on to the youth, then trying to push through a guy who cannot tell a Stephanie from a John.

    And we make fun of Russians and Chinese. Their comedians, if they have any, have more material to work with than they could possibly use.

    Thanks boomers. You took all of the advantages the Greatest Generation gave you and turned the USA into a laughing cesspool.

  122. chicagofinance says:

    Someone’s tax return is not the financial books of a company. It is just a calculation of how much tax is owed.

    Amazon has barely made any profits for the entirety of its existence…… it is the clearest well known example.

  123. chicagofinance says:

    fair point… ok

    SomeOne says:
    September 28, 2020 at 11:07 am
    Chi,

    Seems like Obama’s 20.5% on $790k salary (income?) is due to a 160 or 170k charitable donation, so seems like he is paying a fair share, and was advocating for a chance in law to have that share increased further.

  124. ReadDude says:

    Chicago,

    It was probably his niece of the tell-all book fame. She seemed to have access to all of them from previous disclosures. She also telegraphed that she intended they see the light of day.

  125. Phoenix says:

    So finance guys,
    How long can you own something that loses money and use it as a tax write off? Does this go on into perpetuity?

    Any way I can write off the money my ex-wife has cost me- and why don’t we have a tax provision for that? Now that is something many of us could use. A tax write off for spouses and ex’s.

  126. Fast Eddie says:

    America’s reaction to the so-called Trump tax Bombshell:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDHvYdi6Bu4

  127. Phoenix says:

    Amazon is more of a monopoly that AT&T was and that was broken up.

    Guess we don’t do that stuff anymore.

  128. njtownhomer says:

    Anyone getting a $70K hairdressing expensed out from the tax returns?

    How about donation of the $400K salary, only deductible at 50%, still yielding a W2-like $200K regular income?

    There are folks still vote for him even if they get sodomized by the man. Swedish syndrome, or herd mentality, I wonder.

  129. SomeOne says:

    Chi,

    I think the point is that there is possibly a person on the payroll of New York state or the IRS (a public employee) who violated a core principle of their job.

    Possibility of a person from within Trump org? Or worse, the possibility of Trump org’s decision to release this in order to project an image that Trump is a victim? The last time his taxes got released before a debate, he won the election!

  130. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    We care. But it’s not going to change anything. Until you hit the coffin corner, then there is no turning back.

    So enjoy your grapes on your couch till it all burns to the ground.

  131. Libturd says:

    First, I liked the hacked DNC emails. Okay homo?

    Second, I for one find the Times disgusting for doing what they did. Though, and it’s a big though. Trump brought this sh1t upon himself. If you want to be an alpha/asshole dog, well prepare to be bit. Trump did call them both the Corrupt New York Times and the Failing New York Times.

    Third, this is a guy who withheld federal aid to a foreign country to investigate the son of his political opponent in the General Election, in case anyone forgot.

    Smalls,
    You are correct. The big story will be the contested election. Hopefully numbers aren’t close enough.

    To me, the bigger story is how pathetic of a country we have become that we can no longer run an honest election.

    In other news, ordered Chipotle Saturday (was in a rush) through the app. First time in about 4 months since it was such a sh1tshow last time (to which they sent me gift cards which I didn’t have on me, good for 8 free burritos with green vomit). Ordered to be ready at 6pm. Due to Covid, takeout only and they were letting 5 customers total in shop to order on the assembly line. We told person controlling door that we ordered through the app and were there for pickup. At 6:15 he hands us our order. Get home, and notice none of the burritos are labeled. How the fukc can you tell whos is whos? We did put our names in the app. Had to cut each one open and it was still hard to tell. Plus, they were ice cold, which meant they were ready at 6pm. We only live ten minutes from the shop and they are foil wrapped. They’ll probably send me 8 more coupons to which I’ll sell them all for $100 on eBay to get my money back. Sh1ts not cheap. $50 for 3 burritos, a bowl and a kid’s meal. I think I’m done with that place and this country.

  132. Juice Box says:

    Nobody said Trump was a perfect fit for America. He was elected in response to Hillary’s billion dollar grasp for power.

    There isn’t a war Hillary did not support since the 1990s folks. I don’t need to post a link here because it’s so easy to find but the woman is a war hawk. During her 2016 campaign she argued vehemently Trump would lead us into war just because somebody got under his very thin skin. Looking back now what an ironic charge coming from someone who has backed US getting involved in every single foolish and expensive war over the last few decades.

    Hillary would be running for re-election right now and there would still be 200,000+ dead from the virus and we would have troops sent by President Hillary all over the place exporting “American exceptionalism”.

  133. Phoenix says:

    I don’t care if legally Trumps tax returns say he should get a 700 million dollar check back every year.

    All that tells me is that the tax laws are not written correctly.
    I don’t care if legally it’s okay for a cop to shoot rounds into an apartment without looking where they are going, it tells me the laws are not written correctly.
    I don’t care if it’s legal to chase someone at 100 mph until someone innocent is killed at at a red light, it tells me the laws are not written correctly.

    The problem is the legal system and those that put these laws in place. There will be a price to pay for it.

  134. Libturd says:

    I think I’ll list a daily example of how pathetic of a country we have become.

  135. Bystander says:

    JB,

    Cmon, they only cared about military leaks. Trump gave him a pat of the back for DNC hack. I
    think Wikileaks has been changed the way all media operates now. NY Times just following suit. You can’t expect privacy anymore. If it has big political play, someone, somewhere can get it and distribute.

  136. Phoenix says:

    “For 8 bucks and hour I will assemble a burrito with my feet. And I have.”

    What a great line. They were so good.

  137. RentL0rd says:

    Fast Eddie – what does it say about you that you adore a tax cheat? Vote for Biden on 3rd and redeem yourself.

  138. Phoenix says:

    “You can’t expect privacy anymore. ”

    Oh please, stop whining. No one in government is stopping Google, Amazon, Verizon, T-Mobile, Microsoft, Ring, from stealing your privacy. In fact, they are actively encouraging it and watching your every move.

    Who gives a rats ass if we get some of theirs?

  139. Phoenix says:

    RL,
    They are not tax cheats. What they are doing is legal. Like when a cop pulls you over , fills you with lead, then claims he thought your cell phone was a gun.

    It’s all good. It’s legal. America does not run on Dunkin’. It runs on LEGAL.

  140. ExEssex says:

    11:28 it’s not like we didn’t see it coming.

  141. Juice Box says:

    Turd – Someone screwed up they always label the burritos by me, little white sticker with the name of the person it is for and everything.

    Yes they are expensive. I always load up the burritos, cut them in half and then have the second half for lunch the next day after reheating to 165 degrees in the oven. Makes cost of dinner and lunch about $25 each.

    Chipotle is on to me however, they are going to scale back the portion sizes.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/chipotles-digital-order-boom-reveals-flaw-in-assembly-line-system-2020-9

    We also make our own at home quite a bit, I have become adept at folding the flour tortilla nicely.

    Another burrito secret is the somewhat less popular chain Qdoba does not charge for Guacamole in your meal only on the side, but there are none stores by be.

  142. ExEssex says:

    I owe the IRS right now. I signed off on it riiiight before lockdown.
    We just forked over a very big chunk of change on a bill juuuust south
    of six figures. Why? An oversight. But we owe / we pay.

  143. Phoenix says:

    A trip to your local supermarket and Hmart and with a few online recipes you can pretty much duplicate what they make.
    They pay their employees crap. What do you expect?

  144. Phoenix says:

    ExEssex,

    Trump thanks you. This will offset what he keeps. Hillary as well.

    Good boy!

  145. SmallGovConservative says:

    ExEssex says:
    September 28, 2020 at 10:30 am
    “It isn’t a new idea that President Trump is better at playing a billionaire on TV than earning enough money to be one in real life…”

    Another example of ExSex’s lack of self-awareness. The guy’s a househusband who posts in between doing the laundry, cooking dinner and nicely folding his wife’s lingerie — occasionally trying some things on, I’m sure — poking fun at a guy because he might only be worth $1 billion instead of $10 billion.

  146. Juice Box says:

    Bystander -“they only cared about military leaks”

    Muller indictments of 12 Russian military officers in the DNC hack alone show they care.

  147. ExEssex says:

    11:54 Don’t hate. It’s a desperate look.
    If you knew my wife you’d understand.
    I’d crawl over broken glass for that woman.

  148. chicagofinance says:

    Ask any individual who owns an investment property. Create an LLC. buy house/condo…… rent it out…. take accelerated depreciation.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/060815/how-rental-property-depreciation-works.asp

    Once you run the cost basis to zero, 1031 exchange the property to another property, there is never any capital gain realized. all depreciation is considered an expense that can be written off against rent revenue…… TCJA could have, BUT DID NOT, fcuk with this basic stuff used for decades……. guess why it was carved out?

    Phoenix says:
    September 28, 2020 at 11:14 am
    So finance guys,
    How long can you own something that loses money and use it as a tax write off? Does this go on into perpetuity?

  149. ExEssex says:

    I’m just sorry i couldn’t talk her into Atonement Secks this morning.
    Sadface.

  150. chicagofinance says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwH5-qG52MY

    ExEssex says:
    September 28, 2020 at 12:04 pm
    11:54 Don’t hate. It’s a desperate look.
    If you knew my wife you’d understand.
    I’d crawl over broken glass for that woman.

  151. SomeOne says:

    BRT,

    In your opinion, are all the non-blacks a homogenous “we” and all blacks “they”? It is a bit disturbing that a public school teacher has this mindset.

    My apologies. Got carried away. It should have at least worded it as “IF” rather than “that”.

  152. chicagofinance says:

    In my best goyishe twang….. “Happy Yom Kippur”

    ExEssex says:
    September 28, 2020 at 12:16 pm
    I’m just sorry i couldn’t talk her into Atonement Secks this morning.
    Sadface.

  153. ExEssex says:

    12:18 T’anks sinning is way down this year….

  154. Bystander says:

    JB,

    To clarify, I meant why Assange is being held and facing extradition. That was about military secrets. The DNC hack, as a standalone issue, would never have put Assage under arrest. He got cheered by Trump.

    Lib,

    Food prices are absolutely out of control. I have seen 25-30% price increase over last few months. The sh*tty food places are the worst of all. $14 for low quality hamburger with shoe string fries. Craziness everywhere. I just paid $19 for a large pie. It was $15 6 months ago.

  155. BRT says:

    No offense taken. But this is the climate we are in. It is not possible to talk about a racial issue and simultaneously use the pronouns they or them without eliciting negative undertones in the minds of some.

  156. BRT says:

    I can make a pizza, imported italian flour, imported san marzano tomatoes, and prime fresh mozz from a deli, it works out to about 2.75 a pie. Lesser ingredients like pizzerias use, I can go down to a buck 50.

  157. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    But you can’t find any illegals to work in the back due to ICE nor is anyone else going to work in a sweaty hot pizza joint for $5 an hour. So you now have to pay $12 an hour for some dumb American and the costs go up.

    I make pizza at home. You can buy the frozen dough (some are still a pound) for $1. Sauce costs about a quarter and the cheese, maybe $1.00 if you buy mozz in bulk.

    I can stretch that $1 worth of dough into stromboli that will feed 4 too. I fill it with lots of leftovers and it absolutely kicks ass.

  158. Chicago says:

    But what about your carbon footprint?

    BRT says:
    September 28, 2020 at 12:42 pm
    I can make a pizza, imported italian flour, imported san marzano tomatoes, and prime fresh mozz from a deli, it works out to about 2.75 a pie. Lesser ingredients like pizzerias use, I can go down to a buck 50

  159. RentL0rd says:

    Phoenix, are you a tax cheat too? Call it for what it is. I run a business and I know how easy it is to cheat, but I don’t. My accountant does a good job and we pay our fair share. This POS is a cheat. You failed to admit you got conned into voting for him. Accept it. Vote for Biden on 3rd and you can look at yourself in the mirror with some self esteem.

  160. Fast Eddie says:

    Third, this is a guy who withheld federal aid to a foreign country to investigate the son of his political opponent in the General Election, in case anyone forgot.

    https://www.facebook.com/WhiteHouse/videos/joe-biden-if-the-prosecutor-is-not-fired-youre-not-getting-the-money/797504800724150/

  161. ExEssex says:

    12:17 i still remember hearing Annie Lennox sing for the first time.
    That’s how much of an impression her voice made on my ears.

  162. RentL0rd says:

    Also Phoenix.. what do you think of looting? If Trump isn’t looting the govt with a $74mil tax refund, what is? Think about it.. that’s like looting the entire fashion district again and again.

  163. Fast Eddie says:

    Fast Eddie – what does it say about you that you adore a tax cheat? Vote for Biden on 3rd and redeem yourself.

    It says that I wish I had Trump’s accountants.

  164. Juice Box says:

    Criminal behavior? The New York Times would have loved to have accused Trump of criminal behavior but they found none. He is guilty of using the tax code and laws to his advantage, in avoiding paying taxes. His refund that is disputed was made law in the 2009 bailout under Obama.

    Look don’t hate the playa hate the game.

  165. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – the latest charge against him is conspiring with Snowden. Snowden never published on wikileaks. It was The Guardian, The Washington Post Der Spiegel and The New York Times. They added the latest charges because the old conspiracy ones with Chelsea Manning are weak at best.

    What Assange represents is an existential threat to governments, as no arrest or judge could stop them from publishing on the WWW. He needs to be silenced by any means necessary including via a drone strike according to Hillary, and send a message to the press that they better watch what lines they cross.

  166. Phoenix says:

    “You failed to admit you got conned to voting for him”

    What have I ever posted that would lead you to that conclusion?

  167. ExEssex says:

    1:34 is filing for a half-dozen bankruptcies while cheating the government, private contractors, and small businesses galore a particularly complicated accounting maneuver ??

  168. ExEssex says:

    Oh look …. more cheating and looting:

    “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

    It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

    The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

  169. Phoenix says:

    Parscale just shot himself?

  170. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    Parscale tried to off himself. Attempted suicide. Red hat dolts better brace for serious carnage and fraud cases.

  171. Phoenix says:

    False alarm.

  172. D-FENS says:

    I can’t shake this belief that Democrats are purposely trying to lose the presidential election. Aside from the fact that they have nominated an Alzheimers patient, If you assume most rioters in left leaning cities also ‘lean’ towards Democratic why do they continue to riot? Why aren’t elected Democrats putting down Riots in the west? Polls show it pushes citizens in those areas toward R leaning candidates like Trump.

  173. D-FENS says:

    Why on earth would Democrats push for mail-in voting? The odds of winning the presidency just gets harder for them.

    Something doesn’t add up.

    https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/mail_in_balloting_the_12th_amendment_and_impending_doom

    Mail-In Balloting, the 12th Amendment and Impending Doom
    More than 80 million Americans are expected to cast mail-in ballots this fall, representing a 16-fold increase over mail-in ballots in the 2016 election.

    This is probably going to cause a constitutional crisis of epic proportions.

    The problem isn’t the possibility of fraud that President Donald Trump has been going on about. Cases of possible double voting or voting on behalf of dead people, Daley-machine-style, are statistically insignificant, amounting to at most 0.0025% of mail-in votes.

    The real issue is that the ballots may not be counted on time, triggering the insanity of the 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

    The date to remember is Dec. 14, when the delegations of the Electoral College meet in their respective states. That’s a hard deadline. Each delegation can only certify their state’s vote counts if they are 100% complete — machine votes cast in person at polling places on Election Day, early votes, absentee ballots, write-ins and, this year, COVID-19 mail-in ballots. If the state fails to certify on time, its Electoral College votes aren’t counted.

    Within each state, there is a canvassing/certification deadline for county officials to submit their results. Most are in late November. California, with a Dec. 11 deadline, cuts it close and usually files its national certification last.

    State election officials are doing their best to meet the challenge. They are hiring additional staff, buying new tabulation machines and installing drop boxes. Even assuming that they will be able to hire the additional personnel they need in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, the practical impediments to meeting the Dec. 14 deadline are daunting. Mail-in ballots are manually opened, and signatures must be visually compared, sometimes several times, to Board of Election records.

    Then there are technicalities. For example, 16 states require mail-in ballots to be submitted with an extra “privacy envelope.” In the battleground state of Pennsylvania, 6.4% of absentee ballots submitted in a 2019 election were rejected because voters neglected to insert their ballot inside the privacy envelope — a significant margin that could change the outcome on a national level. Both parties are gearing up for legal challenges about issues like this across the nation.

    “Every absentee or mailed ballot, even if dropped off directly at the designated county drop box or polling center, most likely will not get counted on Election Day, and it can easily be challenged and delayed and even rejected on a technicality,” Jed Shugerman writes at Time. “Every mailed or absentee ballot, in an envelope with signatures, is its own hanging chad, its own built-in legal delay.”

    If enough states are embroiled in vote-counting controversies to prevent either President Trump or former Vice President Joe Biden from achieving the 270 electoral votes required to declare them president-elect on Dec. 14, the obscure 12th Amendment kicks in.

    Used only once — in 1825 to elect John Quincy Adams — the 12th Amendment triggers a bizarre “House of Cards” series of remedies guaranteed to eliminate any remaining belief that the Framers wrote a perfect document designed to withstand the test of time, or that the United States is a democracy.

    After the new 117th Congress convenes on Jan. 3, the House of Representatives would vote to elect the president, and the Senate would elect the vice president. “Each state delegation gets one vote, and 26 votes are required to win,” reports the Associated Press. “In the Senate … each senator gets a vote, with 51 votes required to win.”

    Even if Democrats enjoy another blue-wave election that allows them to pick up congressional seats, they will not capture 26 state delegations in the House of Representatives. Trump would win. If Democrats have taken back the Senate, they could select a vice president to replace Mike Pence.

    It wouldn’t matter if a newspaper recount were to determine later on that Biden should have won both a popular vote and electoral vote landslide. Trump would remain in the White House.

    The Democratic Party and its allies in the media have been pushing mail-in balloting, but voters who want to see Joe Biden elected and are willing to brave the health risks should consider showing up for early in-person voting. In-person ballots far less susceptible to rejection over technical issues like security envelopes; they are counted immediately and thus meet the Dec. 14 deadline for certification.

    As my readers are aware, I do not support either Trump or Biden and will be voting third party, probably for the Greens, this fall. But I don’t support disenfranchisement either. I want everyone’s will to be expressed.

    No matter what happens, no matter who wins, American politics are about to become extremely dangerous. Democracy fails when the losing side refuses to accept the legitimacy of the winning side. That will certainly be the case this year.

  174. ExEssex says:

    My guess is that they don’t want to endanger at-risk folks from crowded voting venues.
    I personally will vote in person. It’s easy and fast.

  175. ExEssex says:

    2:25 you are assuming the election will be close.
    Somehow I think it might be a blowout.

  176. Fast Eddie says:

    I personally will vote in person. It’s easy and fast.

    We’re not allowed in NJ. The c0mmunist in charge of the state won’t let us.

  177. homeboken says:

    Biden called the lid at 9:52am today. 10 days now in September where he finished his campaign day before 10am.

    I ask again – did POTUS become a part-time job recently?

    This guy is putting 2 hour days for a third of the month. We are pretty close to election day and Joe seems pretty unconcerned about not actually campaigning.

    Perhaps the country is OK with this style of election politics. I just can’t get my head around how this is a good strategy.

  178. ExEssex says:

    2:31 wut the……?!

  179. Juice Box says:

    Essex – “laundering the funds through firms”.

    You mean like sending millions to your law firm to hire a company to perform research and strategic advice for a campaign? Why does that sound familiar? I think that created a whole firestorm back in 2017, including congressional investigations, DOJ and FBI got involved etc and opened special investigations etc took years to find out what actually happened, but still nobody went to jail.

    Who would have thought it would be different this time around? Please raise your hand..

  180. ExEssex says:

    2:32 reallllllly….

    Leaked copies of President Donald Trump’s daily schedules show he has spent nearly 60% of his working days in the last three months in blocks of “executive time.”
    Scheduled alongside other events like briefings with top aides, meetings with world leaders, and running into the press, the unstructured blocks usually take up around 3-5 hours of the president’s day.

  181. Juice Box says:

    homboken – “lid at 9:52am today”

    That is when the blood boy shows up to provide his treatment. He also has allot of debate prep before tomorrow night and will need a nap to two between now and then.

  182. Bystander says:

    Right, when Trump’s (longtime and barely former) campaign manager tries to kill himself bc of giant fraud, let’s focus on where Joe Biden is. Must suck to only have that item as your big controversy.

  183. ExEssex says:

    2:47 preach.

  184. Hold my beer says:

    Fast Eddie

    Can’t vote in person. Can’t Pump your own gas. What’s next? Shoelaces will be banned due to tripping hazards? Only ice lattes may be served cause coffee is hot?

    I’m voting in person. Early voting starts on 10/13 in person in Texas. Although republicans are suing to make it Oct 19th. It’s in the Texas constitution that early voting must start a certain number of days before the election, and 10/13 is 6 days too soon.

  185. Juice Box says:

    Parscale had bragged about receiving a highly improbable 1 million ticket reservations for the Oklahoma rally in June that ended up only being 1/3 of capacity which made Trump look foolish so he sidelined Parscale and it also led to Trumps attempting to ban TikTok as a national security threat or more like a threat to his campaign.

    Parscale is a nerd who created a $1500 website that rocketed him to campaign stardom, he crashed and burned and is now a domestic abuser apparently. No idea if he is 5150 for danger to himself, but he definitely is to his wife. He is lucky his cop buddy came by to talk him down, as we all know the swat team was about to exercise forced entry and that usually does not end well for many people.

  186. Bystander says:

    JB,

    Not that I don’t respect your thoughts, but its like saying the warden at the end of Shawshank may have just been having a bad day, unrelated to clattering door handle noise.

  187. Libturd says:

    Gary,

    Would love to hear the rest of that prosecutor video you linked to. Seems out of context to me.

  188. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – campaign fundraising and campaign spending are all obscured through intermediaries. It’s all intentional and done on both sides of the isle. We could spend an afternoon talking about it, but the reality is the Campaign Finance Watchdog the FEC is there for a reason, to be toothless and ineffectual just how the politicians like it.

  189. Libturd says:

    When the election is over, I hope we can all get together for some hooch regardless of who is paying.

  190. Juice Box says:

    The latest installment from James O’Keefe could have been filmed in Hoboken.

    If you don’t want to watch it’s the typical large-scale ballot harvesting operation, this time about apartment complexes across Minneapolis in a cash-for-ballots scheme. Might has well have been filmed in Hudson County.

  191. SomeOne says:

    Beer,

    Can’t vote in person. Can’t Pump your own gas.

    I think Eddie may have misunderstood NJ election process. In-person voting in person in NJ for 2020 election is very much in place. https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-how-to.shtml

    The “can’t pump own gas” law has been in place in NJ since 1949.

  192. BRT says:

    But what about your carbon footprint?

    I have solar on my house and my oven is electric. Maybe I’ll shave some off the cost.

  193. BRT says:

    About 10 or 15 years ago, the NBA franchises were all trying to claim they were money losing ventures. Then, once other people started purchasing them, their value magically went from $400 million to $2 billion. I’m sure they were all playing shadow games and avoiding taxes as well.

  194. homeboken says:

    Speaking of NJ elections –

    If you live in NJ-11, which I am gonna bet a lot of us do. I’d like to get some chatter about our congressional representation.

    The ballot will pit Mikie Sherril (D-incumbent) against Rosemary Becchi (R).

    I have seen Becchi come out in favor of Congressional term limits. 3 terms total, 6 years. She stated that she will sponsor (co-sponsor) a bill to term limits to a reality.

    Now I know that this may just be a lot of campaign clap-trap but I have been vocal here that I support that message.

    Anyone else have opinions on NJ-11?

  195. leftwing says:

    “I guess they don’t want to mention Russia now that the fake narrative collapsed.”

    I found it meaningful given the 22 legal reviews that occurred prior to release that the Times Editor in his letter relating to the releases went out of his way to specifically state that nothing new was unearthed that wasn’t previously known on Russia. Or Daniels, for that matter.

    Swing and a miss.

    Dems got the hit they’ve been salivating over on Donnie…not as wealthy as he claims and pays de minimis taxes….I actually don’t mind the the huge font above the fold of this story in the NYT….Takes the spotlight off ACB as that progresses.

  196. JCer says:

    On Pizza, I’ve been making it a while. Wood burning oven, I burn the fallen trees from my yard, totally carbon neutral besides labor it costs nothing either. Figure a large 16in pizza requires around half a kilo of dough which requires roughly 300g of flour, no need to use Neapolitan flour although it’s a little better you can get a good result using 50/50 blend of quality bread and AP flour like king arthur(it is much easier to get and useful for other stuff), cost is around $4.25 for 5lbs, I can make nearly 8 dough’s with 5lbs of flour. So a pizza requires $0.55 of flour(using premium flour, using cheap flour it’s like $0.30) at retail pricing. The sauce costs about the same, you can get tomato passatta for $3 for .5L , it’s perfect for pizza and one jar is good for ~6-8 pies depending on the style, NY style has less tomato than Neapolitan style. Cheese fresh mozzarella is around $5 per lb, shredded $3 per lb again neapolitan style requires around 1/3rd lb fresh mozz, NY style 1/2 lb shredded so it’s about $1.5o no matter how you slice it for cheese. So you figure a margherita pizza costs about $2.50 to make at home. The same gourmet pizza at one of the better joints costs $19, so yeah there is a lot of profit.

    If I can go sit, eat, be served, otherwise enjoy literally not having to do anything but eat and pay I’m good with spending $50 to get pizza with the family. When it’s coming in a cardboard box and I’m not getting it piping hot out of the oven I can easily match or beat their product at home and save at least $40. We eat a lot of pizza as I usually make 4 at a shot. It’s funny my kids turn their noses up at regular pizzeria pizza.

    Fancy pizza is kind of a scam, most of the ingredients are uncooked and available as commodities, the dough is the simplest dough out there(flour, water, salt), the labor compared to other food is small, it is messy and requires certain skill. I’ve worked in the restaurant business before so I know how little restaurants pay for commodities and labor(a skilled pizza maker makes like $20 an hour and kitchen help might make $12) labor cost per pizza is around $2-3 all in, it costs about $5-6 to make and they sell it for $20 so the margin’s about 75% before looking at overhead. Typical restaurants operate on 1/3rds, 1/3rd ingredient cost, 1/3rd overhead, 1/3 profit is considered ideal. Pizza ingredient cost can be 10-15% of the menu price vs. upwards of 30% in regular restaurant.

    Don’t get me started on burritos, same thing there rice, beans, etc all fillers, cheap. It’s a gold mine and even less specialized labor and equipment than pizza.

  197. chicagofinance says:

    Where is the ghost of Vince Foster?

    Phoenix says:
    September 28, 2020 at 2:12 pm
    Parscale just shot himself?

  198. JCer says:

    Homeboken, when I look at NJ congressional districts it becomes apparent to me that the state pretty effectively has gerrymandered the districts. The democrat republican divide is pretty clear but in the 11th district the densely populated eastern parts of essex county and some of passaic put a solidly republican district in play for the democrats. It looks like a drunk person drew the lines for our congressional districts.

    For example it doesn’t matter who I vote for, I live in the 10th district, who ever the newark machine decides is going to be my clowngress critter will be elected. Suburbia doesn’t get a vote….

  199. chicagofinance says:

    My wife and I have had mail-in ballots since 2016, because we were in DC visiting Congress on election day.

    We still haven’t received anything in 2020…… does that make sense at this point?

  200. leftwing says:

    11th belongs to Sherrill. Hell, I’d vote for her.

    Repubs nominated a party loyalist (Webber) for a seat that was Red for a generation. No chance of beating Sherrill with her resume. Now that she’s in, even less of a chance of turning the seat back Red.

    Apparently, the percentage point swing in 2018 when Sherrill won was the largest ever for turning seat.

  201. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Ballots will be mailed starting Monday, don’t be surprised if the people that lived there before you alive or dead get them too.

  202. Juice Box says:

    Pizza Pizza.

    In my day working in a pizzeria in high school we mixed 1/2 whole and 1/2 part skim mozzarella. Mixing gives you the traditional American pizza look without the messy oily sheen of only whole mozzarella or worse cheap mozzarella.

    Pizza dough was from scratch using 00 ground flour and with a high gluten content. No reason not the freeze the extra dough it keeps forever.

    Always pre bake the dough for 10 minutes before adding sauce and cheese. It’s the only way you are going to get crispy pizza. Same dough shaped in a square pan and let it rise for an hour for a thick Sicilian crust.

    I haven’t tried wood burning pizza oven at home. Maybe one day. Might have to build the oven they look too pricey for a cheap irish bricklayer like me.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/LaToscana-Palazzetti-Parenzo-Charcoal-or-Wood-Fire-Pizza-Oven-PARENZO/302375632

  203. JCer says:

    left, the district was targeted for a switch. Webber was not a strong enough candidate, she out raised him by a factor of 5 and lets face it when they redrew the district in 2011, they removed areas that had some pockets of republican support and replaced it with reliably democratic areas(West Orange, Montclair, Little falls, West Patterson, etc). In the presence of a strong candidate the eastern part of the district turned out in numbers.

    To flip the 11th they’ll need a heck of a candidate and a lot of money…..

  204. leftwing says:

    Agree. Repubs have likely written it off.

  205. JCer says:

    Juice, stainless is the way to go. Refractory oven takes 1hr or more to heat. Stainless is pumping at 700 degrees in 20 minutes max. I’ve had mine to 1100 degrees which suffice it to say is not good for pizza or the oven for that matter!

    https://www.patioandpizza.com/products/necessories-wood-fired-outdoor-oven

    Literally take some wood shove it in there, stick some paper an kindling in light it go back in the kitchen drink some wine and the oven is good to go. Unless you are planning to cook for extended periods of time and have the time the other just takes too long to heat 1+hrs. I’ve done chickens in it, brownies, bread, etc it all comes out pretty good holding the temp is tricky, various size sticks and feeding the fire allows for somewhat controlled cooking.

    Juice pizza is not intended to be crispy, that is blasphemous! Also in a wood fired oven the top just turns to char if you put it in with no cheese or sauce. Also toppings, cheese, then sauce if you are using shredded mozz in a wood burning oven, whole milk is where it is at, quality cheese won’t let off much oil. Wood burning only makes sense if you need the high temp for neapolitan style otherwise a pizza stone in gas or electric oven is fine. The family actually prefers the shredded mozz to the fresh because you can put more cheese and it is saltier.

  206. Juice Box says:

    JCER – how about a zero cost wood burning pizza oven?

    I have a firepit and plenty of extra bricks already.

    Watch this short video for idea and would work great. I would just add a stainless pizza pan for cooking as it would be easy to spin and take in and out of the oven.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMQ_QQJtbY

  207. Fabius Maximus says:

    Joe is doing a lot of Debate prep.

    Donnies schedules are released every day. A lot of days there is a 30min Security briefing and he’s done. He does no work.

    The big issues with the taxes are how much he owes and who he owes it to.

    We are looking at 300-400 million of loans to the Russians. It was reported that Flynn was contemplating a Pascalle as he owed them and the Trump run was his way out. Donnie has to roll over the loans. I dont think default is an option. Who wants an overpriced golf club. Who will renegotiate the loans. JR and Freedo? He was supposed to be hands off his business. He knows the only safe place for him at the moment is the WH and will do anything to stay there. Anyone around him are either fueled by blind ambition or blackmail. ACB knows this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the brass ring. Lindsay and co, it’t probably pure blackma1l.

  208. D-FENS says:

    Hey so you guys heard that the Governor of Virginia and his wife have COVID-19? Guess which presidential candidate just visited them? Kamala Harris is your Democratic nominee folks.

  209. Fast Eddie says:

    Someone,

    Can I walk into a booth, pull a curtain closed and push buttons?

  210. Fabius Maximus says:

    James O’Keefe is a tool. Getting tired of these conservative made up videos. Although I have to say that Wohls last one did show some creativity.

    https://hillreporter.com/jack-burkman-jacob-wohl-accused-of-faking-fbi-raid-on-burkmans-home-78821

  211. Fabius Maximus says:

    Can I walk into a booth, pull a curtain closed and push buttons?

    No, you can walk into a booth with a ballot and a pen and then put it in an envelope and sign the back off it. Then you can drop it into the box at the polling site.

    Its just like that ballot they mailed you.

    This will work out very well for Dems. While the error rate will be similar for both Dem and GOP, the turn out on the Dem side will be way up. All those votes that the GOP tried to suppress with lack of polling sites and long lines goes away.

  212. Juice Box says:

    Fab “We are looking at 300-400 million of loans to the Russians”

    Nope. Deutsche’s private banking division ? It ain’t there. Well investigated too Congressional investigators under Schiff subpoenaed any materials been there and done it, never went anywhere during impeachment, but hey does not stop the Times and other MSM from insinuating Deutsche Bank is controlled by the Russians.

    Biden’s kid has about 1.5 Billion courtesy of the CCP, money that was secured during a trip on Air Force two to China with DAD to meet the “investors” but hey nobody in the MSM is looking that way.

  213. Juice Box says:

    Sigh, more bad covid-19 news from a friend. His son who is under 30 years old and from NY got it months ago. He was in excellent heath and competed in Triathlons. Damage so far is a brain aneurism that is causing permanent blindness after being treated and now a new undetected heart valve issue which requires surgery. The young man also has very young kids too. Medical costs will also bankrupt them for sure.

    The vaccine and treatments cannot come soon enough. I know personally of two people that died from it and three that survived with serious long term medical issues. It’s only been a little more than six months since the first patient showed up in Hackensack Medical center.

    James Cai that patient posted this treatment story on twitter recently, not studied yet.

    https://bgr.com/2020/09/26/coronavirus-cure-icam-protocol-florida/

  214. Fast Eddie says:

    No, you can walk into a booth with a ballot and a pen and then put it in an envelope and sign the back off it. Then you can drop it into the box at the polling site.

    Then I can’t vote in person. If I can’t push a button and register it electronically, then my vote is easily manipulated. And I have yet to receive a paper ballot.

  215. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    You can’t trust the system. Don’t vote!

  216. Fast Eddie says:

    You can’t trust the system. Don’t vote!

    The left is treacherous, slippery, insidious and deceitful. They’re snakes and I don’t trust my vote to a go-between.

  217. Chicago says:

    You are the JV team.

    I’m so happy you are ineligible to vote.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 28, 2020 at 8:18 pm
    Juice,

    Here is a fun read.

    10) There is an old saying that one can never detect tax fraud purely on the face of a tax return – but this comes closer than usual. – Even wholly fraudulent tax returns generally do not proclaim their fraudulence on their face. The Trump returns presumably are no exception, and much of the evidence suggesting possible fraudulence was developed in the Times article through the use of other sources. Nonetheless, with that aid, the Times article makes a powerful initial case, clearly meriting investigation, that substantial tax fraud may have occurred

  218. Juice Box says:

    Grim if you can grace us with your presence my last comment is in mod.

  219. 30 year realtor says:

    I hate to repeat myself. Don’t trust the system, don’t vote!

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 28, 2020 at 8:35 pm
    You can’t trust the system. Don’t vote!

    The left is treacherous, slippery, insidious and deceitful. They’re snakes and I don’t trust my vote to a go-between.

  220. Juice Box says:

    Fab – consolation prize. Body cam video and audio of the Trump’s nerd getting taken down yesterday.
    .
    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/videos/news/2020/09/28/brad-parscale-video-bodycam-florida-candice-parscale-trump-campaign/3567732001/

  221. 3b says:

    Can we focus again on Hunters 3.5 million dollars donation from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow, while Pops Biden was VP, or are we outraged at Trumps tax follies, while he was a private citizen.

  222. Juice Box says:

    3b – N0

    Nope No No and No, it’s a blackout until the eleciton.

    Here is a search for ya. For the un-nerds may website respond to simple search strings like below.

    https://www.cnn.com/search?q=Elena+Baturina

    https://www.msnbc.com/search/?q=Elena+Baturina#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Elena%20Baturina&gsc.page=1

  223. homeboken says:

    This whole tax return thing is classic DNC. It sounds alarming but the truth is, only very stupid or very poor people think this is some horrible news that Trump “owes” money.

    I have clients that dwarf Donald Trump’s wealth, I make my living banking loans for them. If you don’t understand leveraged finance you really need to sit this out, at least on this board. Maybe your fellow guidance counselors will believe your idiocy while you talk to them about “finance” as you walk to your busted toyatas in the back teachers lot.

  224. BRT says:

    I have a coworker who has 2 Teslas and 2 Porches. Literally drives a different car to work every day.

  225. ExEssex says:

    Cars are expensive to own and maintain especially out here. They also seem to be one fairly common way people leak money from their bank accounts. Cars and Boats.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUsOJrw5PJE

  226. Juice Box says:

    Essex – you “sparked a memory” When I was younger and single I had a nice go fast boat with dual inboard engines. Spent some nice weekends at the Jersey Shore, Hamptons, even docked on the Hudson and we spent the time water skiing, knee boarding and jumping waves as well as enjoying being young and full of life. I had the privilege just for one season I used to come home to Hoboken and jump on the boat in the marina for a quick jaunt with friends, was always fun as we were always meeting new people.

    Just like any boat have a plan to get rid of it when the season is over, in the north east anyway. This summer I saw a ton of boats out of the water at marinas everywhere in NJ for sale. No thanks I’ll just rent one next time. This is coming from a guy who can sail and loves the water. It is not worth the cost unless well you have no other obligations, it will never be anything other than pure fun at a cost just like any go fast car.

  227. Fabius Maximus says:

    I dropped my ballot in the box today. It looks like Montana and Alaska are coming into play for the house. This is going to be fascinating to watch.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/27/pelosi-mobilizes-democrats-house-decision-on-presidency-422359

  228. BRT says:

    Been a while since I looked at the data but rt number is very noisy. It looks like all of September, we have Rt above 1 while the 7 day moving average of new cases rose from 320 to 540. With decreasing temperatures and less sunlight comes more transmission. I said it before, the idea that some districts were virtual for Sept and they plan to open up into the height of flu season is a spit in the face of science. If anything, we’ll be closing down in November. There was no better time to open than September. Get off on the right foot and set expectations.

    I’m not sure if it’s increased testing occurring because our deaths have a steady moving average of 5 to 6 deaths per day.

    Anecdotal, but my son is really starting to feel the negative effects physically from virtual learning. He has developed neck pain and it’s radiating down his body. He’s extremely tight everywhere and it’s affecting his mood severely. I need to start having him do my yoga workout.

  229. homeboken says:

    BRT – did this co-worker make the money to own 4 cars only from teaching? I highly doubt that.

    It’s no disrespect to you or your profession. Teaching is way out of my skill set, I acknowledge that. Just like the concepts of building a capital stack for commercial real estate ownership, in a way that creates maximum value, not just the “lowest mortgage rate” is out of the line of many people here.

    My bigger point remains, the tax code can be overhauled entirely. Let’s have that conversation. I am in favor of a flat tax or fair tax system.

    The progressive tax code in the US is the #1 inhibitor of economic growth that we face. Prove me wrong.

  230. homeboken says:

    For any of you following the Flynn case in DC, if you aren’t you really should…

    The Judge there (Sullivan) is refusing to dismiss the case, even though the government (prosecution) has dropped all charges.

    Today, Flynn’s attorney is filing new evidence to support her client. Contained within them is evidence from FBI meetings dating back to 2018, where agents were plotting to “order evidence that can brought to J Sullivan”. Is this the same Ju Sullivan currently presiding over the man he framed?

    We are about to find out.

  231. BRT says:

    If course not. It’s inherited wealth.

  232. Fabius Maximus says:

    Home,

    I’m following it closely. That attorney is in for a very uncomfortable chat about about the allegations that the evidence was doctored.

    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1310711056902369291

    Sullivan is still there as the En Banc review told Barr to go F himself. The AG is putting his thumb on the scale and doing everything he can to get Flynn off. He must have some really bad dirt on someone.

  233. Nomad says:

    Long series of tweets from Florian Kramer regarding COVID 19 vaccine development process. Very informative & worth your time.

    Florian Krammer
    @florian_krammer
    Viruses, viruses, viruses and vaccines

    Professor at the Department of Microbiology
    Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai
    New York, NYlabs.icahn.mssm.edu/krammerlab/

    https://twitter.com/florian_krammer?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

  234. homeboken says:

    Fab – I agree that Flynn has career ending dirt on “someone”

    But, and this is just a guess, you and I have very different ideas about who “someone” is.

  235. Bystander says:

    3b,

    Its official from my end, per Group President “we are working on plan to have employees work from home on a more permanent basis”

    Time to get out of dodge..or more to the point, time to dodge the taxes in this area. Wages are heading south.

  236. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The progressive tax code in the US is the #1 inhibitor of economic growth that we face. Prove me wrong.

    I would say, at this point, red tape, followed by progressive taxes.

  237. 3b says:

    Bystander: Not surprised. It’s just too much of a savings, and yes wages will go down, it’s inevitable. And that means cost of living in the nyc area will have to go down to stay competitive. I have been saying for months that even before the pandemic companies were dispersing their workforce geographically away from the nyc area. Sure, some will say lowering salaries is a negative, but the reality is a large chunk of it was pissed away on high housing prices and obscene property taxes, and an insatiable demand for more tax money in NJ. We were already two days wfh and are increasing that, and that’s fine by me . I know it’s not for everyone but I don’t mind it all. Yesterday,a busy day for me and worked until 7:00, had I been in the office, the next train for me Home was 8:20, which would put me in my house around 9:15. No thanks. NYC area priced and taxed itself to oblivion.

  238. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Also, I wouldn’t be surprised the productivity gains that can be made without wasting 3 hours a day commuting.

  239. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m seeing more O’Biden/Harris signs in the surrounding area. If he wins, you’ll see an abrupt about face on the virus and the riots. Though, in reality, nothing data-related nor any drummed up social ills will change. Just as they’ve done for 60 years now, they’ll give lip service and deem it progress.

    The underlying problems of so-called inequality and rac1sm will hardly be discussed because it will automatically be solved. The positive is that the lower IQ crowd will be pacified without realizing that no one will ever come to their rescue and absolutely nothing has changed. The issues affecting them have always been in their court to address but just the presence of a mommy and daddy will keep them sedated and ignorant.

    The issues the productive class will need to deal with will be how to manage their wealth so that the slimy hands of the progressive crowd can only steal so much. The other secondary issue(s) will be having to tune out debates on such ridiculousness as binary gender acceptance, the latest letter added to the LGBTQRST crowd and legislature that defines where a woke person can p.ee, etc. The media will drive the discussion on frivolousness to the nth degree and the intellectuals on the left will deem it grown-breaking and epic.

    More personally, I’ll tax the system in any way I can, using government resources that I know have no place or use for me. If I can waste a fraction of the money that is stolen from the true working crowd, I can at least try to tip the scales. Here’s hoping that America is still America in some shape or form after four years if Joe and the Hoe win.

  240. homeboken says:

    Media reporting that debate rules are being finalized as we speak –

    Trump campaign wants 3rd part inspection of ears to confirm there are no communication devices. This far, Biden camp does not consent.

    More interesting, Biden camp wants 2 breaks during the 90 minute debate. One at each 30 minute interval. Trump camp does not consent to this point.

    Lot of head games if you ask me, I think neither of those points gets approved.

    I’m in favor of 90 minutes straight.

  241. Phoenix says:

    “Wages are heading south.”

    Wrong. Wages are headed east. To the far east. Or anywhere other than the USA.

    First they came for the AirTrafficControllers, and I did not speak out…

  242. 30 year realtor says:

    Tell me again that you aren’t a cult member!

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 29, 2020 at 10:48 am
    I’m seeing more O’Biden/Harris signs in the surrounding area. If he wins, you’ll see an abrupt about face on the virus and the riots. Though, in reality, nothing data-related nor any drummed up social ills will change. Just as they’ve done for 60 years now, they’ll give lip service and deem it progress.

    The underlying problems of so-called inequality and rac1sm will hardly be discussed because it will automatically be solved. The positive is that the lower IQ crowd will be pacified without realizing that no one will ever come to their rescue and absolutely nothing has changed. The issues affecting them have always been in their court to address but just the presence of a mommy and daddy will keep them sedated and ignorant.

    The issues the productive class will need to deal with will be how to manage their wealth so that the slimy hands of the progressive crowd can only steal so much. The other secondary issue(s) will be having to tune out debates on such ridiculousness as binary gender acceptance, the latest letter added to the LGBTQRST crowd and legislature that defines where a woke person can p.ee, etc. The media will drive the discussion on frivolousness to the nth degree and the intellectuals on the left will deem it grown-breaking and epic.

    More personally, I’ll tax the system in any way I can, using government resources that I know have no place or use for me. If I can waste a fraction of the money that is stolen from the true working crowd, I can at least try to tip the scales. Here’s hoping that America is still America in some shape or form after four years if Joe and the Hoe win.

  243. Phoenix says:

    “I’m in favor of 90 minutes straight.”

    Please provide oxygen, epinepherine, and defibrillators.

  244. 3b says:

    And Geritol.

  245. Fast Eddie says:

    Tell me again that you aren’t a cult member!

    Not a member of any cult but which cult are you referring to?

  246. Libturd says:

    Forget Biden. I’m gonna need the breaks to stop laughing at America.

  247. Phoenix says:

    And Desenex, Polident, and Grecian Formula 16.

  248. Bystander says:

    “If he wins, you’ll see an abrupt about face on the virus and the riots.”

    Awesome, Ed. Help us get it done.

    FYI, starting to see farm concerts this fall in CT. Dark Star Orchestra, Warren Haynes, Allman Betts are playing in South Farms in Morris CT over next month. Lots sold out. If you like jamband scene, looks like this is the one for live music deprived.

  249. Phoenix says:

    America runs on Geritol.

    Great slogan. Or make Geritol great again.

  250. Phoenix says:

    Just need Lawrence Welk and his bubble machine to put it over the top.

  251. chicagofinance says:

    dedicated to Fat Eddie:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg98BvqUvCc

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 29, 2020 at 10:48 am
    I’m seeing more O’Biden/Harris signs in the surrounding area. If he wins, you’ll see an abrupt about face on the virus and the riots. Though, in reality, nothing data-related nor any drummed up social ills will change. Just as they’ve done for 60 years now, they’ll give lip service and deem it progress.

  252. chicagofinance says:

    Feinstein said the owner of the airport set her up….
    https://youtu.be/DgIHvdDGycw

  253. homeboken says:

    Off topic alert – anybody have a kid involved in track and field? Any suggestions? I’m seeing a lot of cross country, due to the season. Are there any winter indoor seasons or top quality spring seasons?

    I’ve got a kid that cant stop watching track events on youtube and asks to go to the HS track everyday.

  254. Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    She never had to wait for Obama, just had to choose the correct male victim. She could have fleeced him so bad she would never be paying for gas or a mortgage.

  255. Fat F.uck Fast Eddie says:

    ChiFi,

    Yup. A chicken in every pot; phones, mortgage payments and gasoline for the “poor” and higher taxes on the working class as punishment for those who dare to flirt with value-added production.

  256. Phoenix says:

    White women just cannot seem to stop using the “heroes” of America to call in a drone strike.

    http://dailym.ai/30zvhAb

  257. Phoenix says:

    “higher taxes on the working class as punishment”

    Then the other side buys a golf course, depreciates it, and dumps his load of turds on the working class as punishment.

    That’s one way to “flatten the curve.”

  258. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    That’s a great line-up of music but how are they going to pull that off? What about crowd size, logistics, etc.?

  259. Phoenix says:

    Feinstein said the owner of the airport set her up….

    Women lie.

    Next.

  260. 3b says:

    Phoenix And the rich politicians like Biden help write the tax laws that enables Trump and others to do what they do. Who is worse?

  261. homeboken says:

    87 year old woman gets tricked by owner of airport as she boards her private jet. Did the pilot in the photo, who is wearing a mask and walking her dog, not get tricked?

  262. Bystander says:

    Bye bye football, both NFL and NCAA. 18 ND players test positive, 25 in isolation. Football activities suspended. Why are we continuing this madness? I hear it is a liberal conspiracy. It is, keeping kids healthy while red hat dolts want their freedom (cough, entertainment). Just like their Apprentice prez entertains their sub-60 IQ.

  263. homeboken says:

    If we can’t get term limits passed, can we get age limits?

    You’ve got to be at least 35 to be president. Can we cap that at age 70 on the high end? 75?

    I don’t care what the actual age cap ends up at but people in their late 80s are too old to get my vote.

    I think 70 is a good cap. And yes, I know both Trump and Biden are years past that.

  264. Juice Box says:

    Biden has asked for another debate rule prohibiting Trump from bullying or menacing by standing behind or in front of him or mocking his senior moments.

  265. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    You wrote the comment which I reacted to. Shame on you if you can’t figure it out. Further evidence of indoctrination.

  266. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    September 29, 2020 at 11:51 am
    “Why are we continuing this madness?”

    We? What does this have to do with you? You’re more than welcome to wrap yourself in a warm blanket and stay hidden under your bed until this is over. Another example of how toxically-feminized you and your ilk are, that you would even ask why some people are willing to accept risk in order to live somewhat normal lives. But to answer your question more generally (not specifically related to football), people are ‘continuing’ because they want to: earn a living, play a game they love, stay active, get out of the house, etc… It’s not enough that you feel the need to whine incessantly about your own lot in life, now you also feel the need to whine about the way other people choose to live theirs — just because they’re not willing to cower in fear like you. Pathetic.

  267. ExEssex says:

    12:07 i’d have all i could not not to beat the piss out of Trump’s greasy orange face if i were within 6 feet of the man. That’d be the headline. Greasy cunt gets wacked in debate.

  268. Libturd says:

    “It’s not enough that you feel the need to whine incessantly about your own lot in life, now you also feel the need to whine about the way other people choose to live theirs —

    Alpha male narrative. Shoot them all. Let God sort them out. Cue Sepultura track. Sorry grandma.

  269. chicagofinance says:

    My son is Middle School…… they run X-country in the fall and track in the spring….. everything is outdoors….. season cut back due to COVID…. no all-star meets and also the number of runners used to be all-comers, but they are limiting to students who will be scored…… his whole season is only going to be October, starting Thursday…

    I found this….but it may not be comprehensive….. also, meets may be restricted to participants, coaches and staff only…. unknown
    https://www.njsiaa.org/sites/default/files/document/COVID-19%20XC%20Tournament%20Regs%202020.pdf

    homeboken says:
    September 29, 2020 at 11:34 am
    Off topic alert – anybody have a kid involved in track and field? Any suggestions? I’m seeing a lot of cross country, due to the season. Are there any winter indoor seasons or top quality spring seasons?

    I’ve got a kid that cant stop watching track events on youtube and asks to go to the HS track everyday.

  270. Bystander says:

    Small,

    Why does ever make a post without talking about masculinity? Seriously go whiff a hairy a$$ already. You are obsessed. You want to broaden this to general society go ahead bc it helps you post drivel. I was talking about NCAA football and it should not be 18 year old decision to play a game so red-hat morons in Alabamy get to say ‘Roll tide’. A Catholic university will keep infecting its players, coaches and others so that Golden Dome NBC keeps rolling. NCAA says student safety is #1 concern..sure, here is their opportunity to prove it. I love football FYI but keep posting nonsense

  271. Fast Eddie says:

    You wrote the comment which I reacted to. Shame on you if you can’t figure it out. Further evidence of indoctrination.

    Shame on me for wanting the America that are fathers and grandfathers built? We went from a nation that put a man on the moon using a slide rule and napkin calculation to genderless bathrooms and p.ussy hats. Consider me indoctrinated, then.

    Either way, it’s a win-win situation. If Trump wins, the fight continues. If O’Biden wins, some of us get to laugh out loud as the media j.erks each other off in androgynous glee over yet another empty “accomplishment”. Gee, wouldn’t it be lovely if Coney Barrett is confirmed and the high court starts stripping liberal ideals, one by one?

  272. Libturd says:

    “Gee, wouldn’t it be lovely if Coney Barrett is confirmed and the high court starts stripping liberal ideals, one by one?”

    I suppose you would like this. Thankfully, the Supreme Court tends to take itself much more seriously than the clown in the White House and actually cares about what’s best for the country, not just what’s best best for the party the majority of them belong too. The court may swing a little a bit more conservative. But I wouldn’t bet on any major changes.

    Think you’ll hold the senate?

    The common man is pretty pissed that Trump doesn’t pay taxes. Could just imagine if they found out that say, Obama didn’t pay any? Holy moly!!!

  273. homeboken says:

    Thanks for the link Chi – much obliged.

  274. Juice Box says:

    Biden is a tax cheat too. He setup S-Corps to get around paying his fair share of Federal Taxes about a 1/2 million over two years.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-the-bidens-dodged-the-payroll-tax-11597083162

  275. Bystander says:

    Truth..Trump paid 173 times more to Stormy Daniels than he paid in federal taxes. Biden should open with that one.

  276. Fast Eddie says:

    The common man is pretty pissed that Trump doesn’t pay taxes. Could just imagine if they found out that say, Obama didn’t pay any? Holy moly!!!

    I’m not p1ssed and everyone I talk to could care less. Power to him. If Oblammy didn’t pay his fair share, who gives a shit. I don’t. As for the right-leaning supreme court… the only reason I would love to see liberal causes fall is because I can’t f.ucking stand the cunt left and just about everything they “sit” for.

  277. homeboken says:

    Biden isn’t a tax cheat and neither is Trump.

    Neither man violated any laws in their application of the tax code.

    This entire conversation is the bread and circus. Shall we debate changing the tax code to something more simple? Something more “equitable or fair” whatever that means?

    When did it become the moral standard to send more money than you are legally obligated to pay, to your government via taxation?

    It’s not like they stole money. They both play by the rules of the game. The IRS is more than capable of pinning Trump/Biden/Homeboken whomever they want against the wall if the taxes due haven’t been paid. Since 2016, nearly every department of government has had at least a few employees looking to find something illegal they could pin on Trump. Don’t you think the IRS would have found it, publicized it and nailed Trump on it already?

    If you continue to indulge the tax conversation, just know you are part of the moronic masses. Trump and Biden are clean when it comes to taxes paid. Maybe we don’t like the amount owed, then change the calculus.

    Otherwise, you are expecting citizens to send the government more money then obligated, which is so dumb I can’t beleive I even have to explain it to some of you.

  278. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    September 29, 2020 at 1:00 pm
    “I was talking about NCAA football and it should not be 18 year old decision to play a game…”

    Wrong! You actually said “Bye bye football, both NFL and NCAA.”. Needless to say, the NFL is a commercial enterprise and needs to operate in order to pay salaries, vendors and taxes — just like the company that you work for. Since yours is probably no more essential than the NFL, maybe it should shut down too — you know, in order to not continue the ‘madness’. As for the NCAA, every athlete has the option to opt-out and still maintain their scholarship. So no college football player is being forced/coerced to do anything. If they’re playing, it’s because they — and their parents — want to. Again, I know it’s hard for you to understand — just like it is for most of the women in my family — but some people (some parts of the country) really are willing to accept some risk in order to live the lives they want.

  279. leftwing says:

    Not advocating either way just explaining…

    The tax provisions that enabled DJT to avoid taxes in certain years can be demonstrated as follows…

    Two taxpayers. First one breaks even on his business earning no money over two years. Second taxpayer makes $5 in the first year then loses $5 in the second year.

    Financially, before taxes, they are in the same place. Should one pay more taxes than the other?

    Our tax laws say treat them the same.

    As i said yesterday the only ‘news’ coming out of DJT taxes is that he isn’t a good business person which, to anyone with a modicum of business knowledge, is not news.

  280. Bystander says:

    Boken,

    Biden gave full disclosure. Trump has not released his tax returns so how can you say that? Still giving the BS ‘under audit’ lie from 5 years ago. I am guessing NYT gave but a taste. You think there is not more to come? They will be releasing bombshells over next five weeks, probably biggest right before election. I think they took a lesson from R playbook around Benghazi. You remember when Comey was the toast of the R party before the cult mentality permeated?

  281. Juice Box says:

    Here is a short list I have compiled for the voters, as both candidates are more similar than one would think.

    1) Both are draft dodgers
    2) Both grab em by the puzzzzy
    3) Both were involved in cheating aka infidelity
    3) Both don’t pay their fair share in taxes and should have paid more
    4) Both are very bad liars
    5) Both claim to be tough guys
    6) Both have an affection for white supremacists. Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms for Biden and Trump well he is just a Nazi
    7) Both seem to think that well those that served in the military are just dumb. Biden calls troops stupid bastards, Trump called them losers and suckers
    8) Fake horse teeth, both have a million watt smile thanks to to porcelain horse sized veneers
    9) Last but not least both of them got hair plugs and lather up on Propecia

    This is who we have to choose from folks.

  282. homeboken says:

    Bombshells – Are any of these illegal? If not here is what most anyone with a brain thinks – Rich guy employs expensive accountants and tax lawyers to keep as much of his money as possible. This is not a story. When you find that Trump broke the law, hid income, lied about deduction eligibility, then let me know.

    Using your standard – Every single homeowner with a mortgage is guilty of the exact same “misdeed” you claim against Trump?

    Do you deduct your mortgage interest? Do you deduct SALT expense? I mean, I’ve heard plenty of bitching around here when the code was changed to lower the SALT deduction.

    Are you telling me, that you took advantage of the tax laws and paid less than you originally should? HolySh!t – Call the NY times, Mr. ByStander took legal tax deductions. BOMBSHELL!!

  283. A Home Buyer says:

    If I hear one more “BOMB SHELL!!!!!” claim I’ll vote for Trump out of spite. We’ve had 4 years of “bombshell” reporting that have amounted to ABSOLUTELY nothing actionable except proving that the slimeball was and is a slimeball still.

    If the NYT had something actionable against Trump, they would have released it front page and instead of reaffirming what Clinton already told us all during a debate 4.5 years ago when she flat out said she believed Trump wasn’t paying any federal taxes.
    His response “That makes me smart”. This is not news and if anything confirms what everyone already new and / or expected.

    What he does is shady and dishonorable, but its not illegal (or at least after 4 years of every left leaning institution turning up every stone they could possibly get their hands on prove otherwise). Give it up.

    Vote him out for anyone of his policies you disagree with… but can we just give it a rest with “bombshells!” and “gotchya’s!”?

  284. homeboken says:

    Rich guy who says things I don’t like has more money than me! Let’s slander him on the NY Times front page for weeks.

    I will conceede there are lots of people that get off on this stuff, they think they are sticking it to “The Man” or speaking truth to power (my personal most hated phrase). People that feel that way about other more successful people are total life losers.

  285. Juice Box says:

    Based on stolen tax return bombshell reported by the NY Times Trump’s net worth is negative.

    That makes Joe Biden the rich one running for President.

  286. Bystander says:

    Small,

    I clarified that the madness is with NCAA. You are right. I don’t care what NFL does but my job is not one that includes blood, spit, sweat and generally grappling another person. Perhaps your pea brain grasps that difference. And no, not all players can’t just return. Some Big Ten players who signed with agent in August (when season canceled) now can’t get back in. The NCAA season said strict health guidelines to protect students. If 1/3 of your team is in isolation then tell me where you draw line? Your delusional pea brain would probably say athletes can play ‘two way’. Don’t mean to turn on with that talk either, Butch.

  287. homeboken says:

    By – I will tell you where I draw the line –

    Adults, 18 years or older, are free to live there lives without seeking approval from me. So long as no laws are being broken, do whatever you want.

    There are too many people in the country where that isn’t good enough anymore. You want to live a certain way, full quarantine, no school, no work, no sports, have a blast.
    You want to keep everyone else from doing their own thing bc you say so? Go pound sand.

  288. Bystander says:

    You are right Boken. My MI deduction is same as Ivanka getting 800k consulting fee for a company she already manages. It is all the same. Nothing shady or illegal..I mean in that case, why audit anyone as just assume bc they took deduction so it must be true. You red hats are a hoot. Release the returns. Also, WH claiming he paid millions in taxes. Show us.

  289. BRT says:

    I’m seeing more Biden signs as well in liberal leaning counties, especially Mercer. Drove to Seaside on Sunday. Ocean County is 100% Trump everywhere I was. There was even a guy on the highway leading in selling signs and shirts.

  290. Bystander says:

    Except Boken, 18 year old football players are not free to do as they wish. They are told they are not professionals and can’t make money, accept deals etc. They are students, getting education. NCAA makes sure of that. If they blow a knee out..or have serious Covid case then too bad if family was counting on pro days. COVID is mostly preventable unlike a random ACL year. Is it that hard to see difference?

  291. dentss dunnigan says:

    Joe Gave 1.6% of Income to Charity in 2019 — Trump Gave Entire Salary to Government ….should shut them up ..

  292. homeboken says:

    They are being forced to go to school in exchange for playing football?

    What would happen if a player decided, “You know what? This COVID thing is killing 3 out of every 100,000 people in my age range that contract the disease, I think I will go hide in my basement until someone else tells me it’s safe.”

    No = they don’t think that. Want to know why? Because they have assessed their personal risk tolerance and have done the cost/benefit calculus.

    In all honesty, they are far more likely to get fully paralyzed playing the game then they are of having serious COVID reprecussions. Maybe we should just ban football entirely.

  293. BRT says:

    Every single one of those football players takes years off their life playing that game for 4 years of college. That’s a statistical fact. My buddy did 3 years in D1 and had to have several reconstructive surgeries. His FIL did 4 years in D1 and 2 in the NFL decades ago and he has major CTE. The NFL currently covers his healthcare.

  294. homeboken says:

    BRT – Football will not last forever as a popular game. The players are too big and strong to be taking the kind of head collisions as frequently as they do now.

    I would never allow my kid to play that game. I liken it to introducing my kid to cigarettes at age 12. Almost guaranteed to take years off his life.

  295. homeboken says:

    If I am the GOP I would pay any price to get Tara Reade and Lunden Roberts as my guests for tonights debate.

    I follow Tara Reade on twitter and she is no fan of Trump, so I know that’s not happening. But Lunden Robert’s? That is very doable. Introduce her, ask her how her son is doing? How is she getting along with no child support from the kid’s Dad.

    Do all of that, right in front of Joe. Then look at Joe and ask him if he knows the kids name.

  296. Fabius Maximus says:

    Here is a nice piece on one of his Scottish Golf Courses.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1310929478030426112

  297. Bystander says:

    Unfortunately it is not that simple, Boken. Let’s say 75 kids say we want to play but it is their conference says no. That is what happened so who is making the call there? What choice does kid have? Quit and play for Arizona Rattlers of IFL? NCAA has become the show ground for big NFL bucks. How else does a bland talent like Mitch Trubisky get taken first? One high profile year in a major NCAA conference, thats how. They set up rules and it is not about athlete freedoms so now they own this one. Let me play and infect entire athletic department, I guess. Everyone there is 18 and healthy, I hear.

  298. leftwing says:

    “My MI deduction is same as Ivanka getting 800k consulting fee for a company she already manages. It is all the same. Nothing shady or illegal”

    Dude, just stop….you’re embarrassing yourself….aside from conflating two topics when a taxpayer pays someone (including his daughter) do you care to guess what the recipient reports? Think really, really hard now….That’s right!…Income!

  299. BRT says:

    Football will not last forever as a popular game. The players are too big and strong to be taking the kind of head collisions as frequently as they do now.

    I would never allow my kid to play that game. I liken it to introducing my kid to cigarettes at age 12. Almost guaranteed to take years off his life.

    I always hate when they honor all the NFL vets and you watch them struggle to even make it out on the field in their 50s. Then somehow, Jerry Rice and Deion Sanders come flying out like they are still ready to play. We also refuse to let my son play football, not going to be a problem since he doesn’t have an athletic bone in his body. Baseball is basically out for him as well since we don’t feel confident enough he can protect himself from a line drive.

  300. Bystander says:

    I meant second pick, first QB.

  301. ExEssex says:

    One thing is for sure, the ladies loooove Biden.
    At least in PA….

  302. Juice Box says:

    I am tempted to get some Biden bumper stickers and head up to Whole Foods and do a little stickering campaign.

    Here is a funny one….looks great until you get close to enough to read it.

    https://www.etsy.com/listing/836847261/funny-anti-joe-biden-for-president?gpla=1&gao=1&

  303. ExEssex says:

    3:22 same the parents said NO to football so i did hockey and soccer. I
    still managed to pick up 2 or 3 (i can’t remember) concussions in my youth.

  304. ExEssex says:

    3:22 your boy is gonna get filleted at the debate tonight.
    He’s gooooonnnnnna blow it. Its all he knows.

  305. Bystander says:

    left,

    No one is buying that oversimplified sh&t. Trying to reduce your taxable income via false means is cheating. I don’t care what Ivanka reported. Maybe she reduced her income with miscellaneous consulting fees too. Water it all down and no one pays taxes. Let’s see the details.

  306. Phoenix says:

    Just because some things are legal does not make it right.
    Personally I’m not siding with someone or accepting what they do because it’s legal. If I find it offensive I’m not voting for them no matter how legal it is what they did.

  307. chicagofinance says:

    There is the form and the substance….. someone knows the “why”; all this garbage is merely pablum looking at the “what” and make half-a%%ed guesses…..unless you have all the accounts involved, the jurisdictions, the taxing authorities et al., what is the point except to mislead?

    There is no question that Trump recruits shysters and scumbags, but that does not mean some Twitter mope can play this game with any authority…..

    Fabius Maximus says:
    September 29, 2020 at 3:15 pm
    Here is a nice piece on one of his Scottish Golf Courses.

    https://twitter.com/adamdavidson/status/1310929478030426112

  308. A Home Buyer says:

    Bystander,

    How do you feel about small trades contractors who employ their spouses as a paid workers (manage the company finances / books, shops and materials, among other tasks) to reduce the business’s tax able income, show income for their spouses regarding Social Security, and have them be eligible for unemployment if the business slows?

  309. Juice Box says:

    Yes it was Hillary all along folks. Declassified today, and it fingers Barry too!

    https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1311023366267195401/photo/1

  310. ExEssex says:

    Juice Box is a WAP.

  311. Bystander says:

    Home,

    Not sure how to answer that one? It is not the same situation as Ivanka. Let me ask you, if the contractor and spouse are both listed as co-owners of LLC and receive income from it, is it reasonable that on his personal return, he pays his spouse a ‘consulting fee’ to further reduce his income and shows loss. The spouse lists same company she runs as receiving consulting income? Is that square? Again, details matter here. Can he show it?

  312. Bystander says:

    I mean if Trump paid 26M in consulting fees then there has to be RFP, signed contracts by both sides etc. right?

  313. ExEssex says:

    seriously “juice box” literally means…..WAP….

    thank me later.

  314. No One says:

    BRT,
    Try golf or tennis for your son. Running might work if hand/eye coordination isn’t there.
    I think playing a sport of some kind is good for people.

  315. A Home Buyer says:

    Bystander,

    Indeed, it would depend on the services provided for that consulting fee. It sounds like a really good discussion and investigation to occur between him, his tax preparer who will most likely take all the blame, and the IRS with actual evidence presented using legally obtained and complete documents.

    Unless I’m missing the factual evidence that something was actually done illegally and this isn’t just another attempt to rally the blue base, conveniently right before a debate.

  316. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Then you cant vote for either one. Join the club.

  317. homeboken says:

    POTUS candidates – 77 and 74
    Senate Maj Leader – 78
    Speaker of House – 80
    Avg Senator age – 62
    Avg House Rep. – 57

    Avg American Age – 37

    This is a problem. This is why we need term limits or age caps.

  318. BRT says:

    Tennis might be worth a shot. My father actually could have been one of those pros who plays tennis but sit around ranked in the high 70s their whole life. He basically ran the table on every tennis tournament in Bergen County for like 12 years straight. My uncle was the same way.

    Funniest tournament ever was an all chinese tournament somewhere in Bergen County (maybe Oritani?) when he was in his early 40s. Grand prize was a trip to China. In the finals, he went up against the “tennis champion of Taiwan”. 6-1, 6-0 wiped the floor with him. Had to turn down the trip to China because my grandfather was likely still on their kill list so he gave it away. They banned him from the tournament after that.

    I was an embarrassment to Tennis. Baseball was my sport. My wife’s too. She was all state in softball. Those genes didn’t get passed on.

  319. leftwing says:

    “No one is buying that oversimplified sh&t. Trying to reduce your taxable income via false means is cheating. I don’t care what Ivanka reported. Maybe she reduced her income with miscellaneous consulting fees too. Water it all down and no one pays taxes.”

    You have now crossed the line into moron-dom…you perceive it as ‘oversimplified’ because it is in fact that simple…If she then ‘reduced’ her income by paying someone else then guess what that person would have? Hint, hint the same answer as above….think real hard now….Income!

    Ever issue one of these peckerhead?

    https://images.ctfassets.net/ifu905unnj2g/z2Z7wwYsfeSmoqoswCUgG/bd7ac7e2ca8002ba0a4067695dbda1ac/Form_1099_Copy_B.png

  320. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice,

    A big nothing burger. That letter is the reason Radcliffe got the DNI job. Everyone said he would politicize the role and Voila!

  321. leftwing says:

    Aside from the fact that to reduce taxes by paying someone else your money from your accounts unnecessarily is fool’s errand….

    Meaning, who in their right fcuking mind pays someone $800k out of their accounts solely to ‘save’ $400k of taxes?

    I guess you are smarter than I am…give away $800k needlessly to save $400k….that’ll make you money really quickly!!!!

    Dumbass.

  322. Libturd says:

    Come on. $750K to a daughter as a consultant. $70K to a barber? Your leader is a shyster. How you guys can still support this bullsh1t artist is completely beyond me.

    As for Hunter. I did some digging.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sethcohen/2020/09/26/the-truth-about-hunter-biden—and-why-republicans-are-so-disappointed/#5be17a4a5b79

  323. leftwing says:

    BRT, fencing. Nice foot in the door to some good schools if he is good.

  324. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    That reminds me of the time I entered a ping pong tournament on a cruise. I am far from being a pro, though I played a ton in college. Enough to win a damn cruise tournament. Well there was this old guy, I mean, at least 75 and 40 years my elder at the time. The dude didn’t even move his legs and had me running around like a damn chicken. He actually looked a lot like Wilford Brimley. The old bastard shut me out. The spins he put on the ball were like nothing I ever witnessed except when I played some olympic ponger from Liberia once in college whose serve I could not even put on the table. It was obvious he was once a pro. He also held the paddle the Asian way which is a dead giveaway. I forgot which Island in the Southeast Pacific he was from, but he said he decided to stay there after he met his future wife there during WWII. Thank god my son wasn’t born yet. For the first time ever, he can beat me at these things. Two weeks ago he crushed me at mini-golf! There’s a rematch this weekend.

  325. leftwing says:

    “Come on. $750K to a daughter as a consultant. $70K to a barber? Your leader is a shyster.”

    He’s not my guy. I just abhor idiocy, particularly when one starts with the conclusion (“Orange Man tax evader”) and works backward to a false assertion while ignoring facts.

    Absolutely nearly every family owned business will employ family members. Would I write that size check to my daughter if I had the top line income? Fcuk yes. And no one including the IRS would care provided she declared the income and paid taxes on it.

    Tell me he deducted an $850k Lambo for her to use as a company car, yeah, both I and the IRS would care.

    I don’t have a scorecard with all the disinformation flying around but weren’t haircuts at the time of the Apprentice? Otherwise, as I said the morning these returns dropped my long experience is the tax actually due between entities like his and the IRS is a matter of negotiation….taxpaying entity files, IRS audits, the two come to terms, and close that tax year. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    The taxpayer takes an aggressive position, the IRS takes a conservative position, and they get to the middle.

  326. ExEssex says:

    I was a darn good swimmer in my day. LOL True story.

  327. Libturd says:

    I thought I was bad when I deducted my FIOS as it’s needed for my LLC.

  328. ExEssex says:

    I remember once I was driving a plymouth acclaim with 150k miles and the check engine light. I was a sales rep and told the H&R block rep I wanted to deduct the car….we did, but conservatively, there is a lot of room for tom foolery there…..

  329. 3b says:

    Lib: The Forbes article leaves out the 3.5 million from the wide of the Russians
    Oligarch? Why? They forgot? It smells, and it’s wrong with your Father being the VP. It’s a legitimate target for Trump to go after. Especially with the whole Trump/Russia thing.

  330. Libturd says:

    That’s fine 3B, but it pales in comparison to the Shyster in Chief. Every thing he does is immoral. Not illegal, just immoral. The Hunter thing stinks. Yes. But it’s not the whole body of work. Trump is irredeemable.

  331. Libturd says:

    Who wants to bet that this is going to be the most boring debate ever?

  332. Bystander says:

    Equally stupid is someone who like left who draws conclusion that it is above board without any facts, nor does you want the facts? Spare us your superiority. Produce the returns and show us who paid what.

  333. Fabius Maximus says:

    home,

    Can you see where this is going!

    WOW! Judge Sullivan asked Flynn’s attorney, Sidney Powell, if she talked about Flynn’s case with Trump. She tried to invoke executive privilege!!! Then she said she updated Trump personally on the Flynn case!!!

    https://twitter.com/glennkirschner2/status/1310989460146925568

  334. ExEssex says:

    8:14 watch though. Biden will be jacked.

  335. Libturd says:

    The way I see it, Biden has only one way to go. Everyone knows what the shyster is about already. How is Trump going to get swing voters after 4 years of complete mayhem? It’s over Alice. Grim, save some fancy bottles will ya please?

    And Gator wants a bottle of some of your hipster Maple syrup.

  336. Fast Eddie says:

    WOW! What a bombshell! The federal court falsified evidence to get a wiretap against the Trump campaign! Is Comey going to finally come clean? Declassified information indicates that Oblammy knew of allegations that Clinton was attempting to tie Trump to Russia and distract from her email scandal? Holy shit!!

  337. Libturd says:

    The only people who care about any of this Russian stuff are the same people who think Antifa is larger than AARP and that JFK was shot by the CIA.

  338. Libturd says:

    I might have to vote for Trump.

  339. ExEssex says:

    Trump is a cranky little baabbbbbby.

  340. Libturd says:

    Biden never could complete a sentence. It’s really bad tonight.

    But Trump is arguing with the moderator.

  341. ExEssex says:

    ….mY eXeCutIvE oRdEr iS a LAw…..

  342. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump in control again!

  343. Libturd says:

    I told you all this would be the most embarrassing thing ever.

  344. Juice box says:

    Lib he is just getting warmed up there will be a nap in 14 minutes too

  345. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden… humudahumada… He’s breaking already!!! LMAO!!

  346. Libturd says:

    But Trump is just making stuff up at this point.

    He’s right. There is no health care plan.

  347. Fast Eddie says:

    Will you sh.ut up? LMAO!!

  348. BRT says:

    Joe really punting with respect the vaccine.

  349. Fast Eddie says:

    Doesn’t know what college he graduated from!! LMAO

  350. grim says:

    This is the best debate in the history of the world

  351. Fast Eddie says:

    Pay attention Joe… MASKS JOE!!

  352. Libturd says:

    My son just called this the 6th grade lunch table.

  353. ExEssex says:

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  354. ExEssex says:

    Trump is a schhhhmmmmmuck
    Eddie thinks he’s “winning” cause
    He interrupts…..

  355. Libturd says:

    Joe just called him a fool.

  356. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden is a disaster. Trump is sharp!

  357. Libturd says:

    Trump won’t stop interrupting. He is such an ass. But it does make me laugh.

  358. BRT says:

    lol, what’s more entertaining, the Yanks up 11-2 in the 7th or this?

  359. ExEssex says:

    aNd yOu’lL gEt tO sEe it……

  360. 3b says:

    Trump is typical and Biden is a disaster.

  361. Libturd says:

    I agree 3B. But we’ve seen 4 years of Trump.

  362. ExEssex says:

    tRuMp fAmBly vAluEs

    Trump will nooooooot shutUp

  363. Libturd says:

    The moderator needs to mute the bullies microphone.

    Biden just called Trump a clown.

  364. 3b says:

    Biden calls Trump a clown. Our descent into 3rd world oblivion continues!!

  365. Grim says:

    To be fair he indirectly called Biden stupid a few minutes ago.

  366. Libturd says:

    I was soooo wrong. This is so NOT boring. But it does reinforce my need to GTFO.

  367. Bystander says:

    Lie loudly..he is absurd and a child.

  368. BRT says:

    Did he say that? I thought he said don’t ever use the word “smart”?

  369. Fast Eddie says:

    omg… he’s so feeble and weak.

  370. 3b says:

    Grim: Missed that. But Biden as a seasoned politicians is a disaster, he is a disaster. And just bs ing his way through it like Trump.

  371. Fast Eddie says:

    He just called Trump a rac1st?? Wow!!

  372. Grim says:

    I can’t watch any more, my sanity demands I ignore this.

    Every election I say it _ this is the best that America has to offer? Really?

  373. Libturd says:

    They both really do suck. I can’t stop laughing. But in the end, I got three bottles of hooch coming. The only way IMO, for Trump to have gained from this would have been for him not to act like the bully gorilla that he is. I knew he couldn’t. He will gain nothing from this except the continued support from his alpha male followers. He really isn’t terribly bright. Then again, he called it thighland.

  374. Juice Box says:

    We need to send psychiatrists on 911 calls. That will fix it. Joe must not have read about CRT, they reject Empathy as a fallacy.

  375. Juice Box says:

    Ho Ho Ho Christmas came early Hillary Clinton will be on MSNBC post debate show.

  376. Libturd says:

    Can this get any more out of control?

  377. ExEssex says:

    Juice Box literally means WAP….

  378. 3b says:

    Dems should be sorry they picked Biden as their candidate.

  379. ExEssex says:

    Juuuuuuice Box💦💦💦💦

  380. A Home Buyer says:

    This hurts. F#ck I can’t stand Trump.

    Why the hell is Biden and the democratic platform the only alternative.

  381. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    He’s laboring so badly!!

  382. BRT says:

    Here’s something to ponder, the subject of immigration has not come up at all? Why is that?

  383. Libturd says:

    My son just asked, “How does Trump tweet in the middle of a debate?”

  384. ExEssex says:

    Trump is on the defensive. Biiiigggly

  385. 3b says:

    The Dems here on the blog won’t admit it, but Biden was awful
    He theoretically should have been able to wipe the floor with Trump. He didn’t; not even close.

  386. 3b says:

    Essex give it up. Biden sucked!

  387. Libturd says:

    I’ll admit it. He did suck. But Trump didn’t bring anything but his greatest hits to the table. Plus, a guillotine couldn’t stop him from interrupting.

  388. crushednjmillenial says:

    I think tonight went badly for Trump, and went well for Biden.

    Regarding Trump, I rate his performance as a 2 out of 10 presentation of his talking points. In my opinion, he has great talking points to present to his base (to fire them up to go vote) and swing voters (to actually sway the center a bit). However, tonight, it was difficult for either candidate to land a point because of the interruptions. And, Trump had too many unfocused answers.

    Biden generally did not sound like he has lost his mental facilities. He had standard politician talking points and presentation. He also had a few sharp elbows that he has thrown effectively. If I was in the Biden camp, I would be very happy with how today went.

    If I was in the Trump camp, I’d encourage more preparation for him for next time. Might be too late, because I (and presumably tens of millions of Americans also) have received my ballot in the mail already.

  389. 3b says:

    Crushed: No offense but you are easily impressed. Trump is ignorant and behaves like a buffoon. And he has no real knowledge on any subject. Biden should have wiped the floor with him. And he was as full of crap as Trump.

  390. crushednjmillenial says:

    Off-hand, Trump missed the following opportunities tonight:

    (1) Supreme Court – “In 2016, I presented a list ahead of time of potential candidates. I picked my Supreme Court candidates from the list. Biden has not presented a list, so you don’t know who he might pick. I believe he will nominate an extreme leftist if given the opportunity, and I do not believe a majority of Americans want that.”

    (2) Race and Violence in Cities – “Leftists burned down the stores of hardworking Americans. People have declared bankruptcyt and lost everything from these burnings. The Democrats have not confronted this political violence and indeed have condoned it. A vote for the Democrats is a vote for more burned cities, violence against police, and violent deaths. Americans at home tonight need to decide if they are for burning cities or not. If not, they should vote for me.”

    (3) The Economy. “Biden has been in Washington for 47 years, while jobs were shipped overseas and nothing was ever done to stop this. Huge swaths of the industrial Midwest have economic devastation from the Biden-Washington insiders letting the jobs go overseas. It’s so bad, that we need to rely on China to manufacture N95 masks and pharma drugs for our population. I support bringing the jobs back home, and I shot down TPP, which the Obama-Biden administration supported. I also will make it so that we build essential supplies here onshore.”

  391. ExEssex says:

    Trump was a lame-ass no rules debater.
    Shut-the-fuvk up Donny, Can’t really
    Debate someone is clearly unhinged.

  392. Bystander says:

    Trump could not even denounce white supremacy. “Stand by”…holy sh&t

  393. Libturd says:

    3B I agree. But what impact will this have on the election? I doubt much. The swing states besides North Carolina are clearly not supporting Trump like they did in 2016. Trump did not add anything whatsoever except prove that he doesn’t care about anything but himself. Just repeating the same wornout unproven narratives. These work nicely at a rally in West Podunk. Not so well on a debate stage. Biden is what he is. He doesn’t scare me like Trump does nor do I think he is scaring away any swing voters. This is what mattered. Will be interesting to see what Trump does different, if anything, in the next one.

    Would any of my bourbon wenches like to add a bottle of bourbon aged Maple syrup to my dowry?

  394. 3b says:

    Crushed: All valid points, that Trump could and should have brought up. He was trying to get Biden to blow his top.

  395. crushednjmillenial says:

    3B . . . I wouldn’t say I was impressed by Biden’s performance. Indeed, he probably put up one of the worst showings of any presidential candidate in decades – flat, uninspiring, not crystal clear. However, he didn’t gaffe. He didn’t go to the bathroom in his pants. He didn’t even seem substantially more tired after 90 minutes then at the beginning of the event. Thus, I think Biden has answered some of the concern regarding his basic ability to function.

    If Biden does this two more times, I personally believe he wins. Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2016 – he has a very slim margin of support to lose before he cannot build a 270-electoral vote combination. If not for coronavirus, I would have thought that Trump would have won easily (even if the Dems had found a great candidate somehow, and not put up an uncharismatic old man with no new ideas and hardly any attention-catching good ones).

  396. 3b says:

    Lib: No impact. Trumps base will be fired up but I don’t think it helps him more than that. As for Biden, he didn’t convince me that I should change my mind and vote for him instead of not voting for either one. Biden harmless yes, but full of crap, and zero to stand on after 47 years in DC.

  397. Juice Box says:

    Synopsis of the talking heads on most MSM after debate shows.

    Trump is a bully. Trump was frightening. Trump is an abuser.

    Biden did not fall apart like we expected.

    Foreigners are embarrassed for the USA.

  398. Libturd says:

    And yes, Trump’s words were, “there’s nothing smart about you Joe.”

  399. 3b says:

    Crushed: Good analysis. It would have been nice to have a real choice to vote for.

  400. No One says:

    That debate was annoying. Trump showed his ADHD. Several questions were leading, but they both mostly repeated their talking points. My wife who likes Trump and dislikes Biden thought Biden came off better because Trump came off as such a loudmouth jerk.
    Good news is that Biden rejects the Green New Deal. Only thing confirmed is next 4 years will have an idiot president.

  401. Libturd says:

    That’s the weird thing about the Trump’s Right. They keep playing Joe off as some progressive far left liberal. He’s about as far right as the DNC is willing to go. Trump was not debating AOC. Though he acted like he was way too often.

    Regardless, I expect the next four years to be way more boring, which is a good thing. Wish there was a center or a viable third party.

  402. Fabius Maximus says:

    W0w what a Sh1T Show.
    The Biggest Loser in this was Chris Wallace, who lost control early and often.

    So what did we get. Not much. Donnie was overbearing and abusive and it was effective for control, but only spoke to his base. The only thing that really came out of this was the PR0ud Buoys statement, “Stand Down and Stand Ready”, that is going to get a lot of air time and a lot of analysis.

    Joe gets a generous B grade for weathering it. He didn’t know how to play the pushback game on the moderator and it cost him. Outside of that, the Sleepy Joe meme is gone. I think on the Hunter stuff Donnie lost”
    Talking to he camera and the electorate was effective.
    For the next debate (if it happens) joe needs to hit the snide comments like
    “but you’re the president” “it’s happening under your watch”
    But I suspect next debate, we get the the Mute Button, and with this one we needed it.

  403. Fabius Maximus says:

    “And yes, Trump’s words were, “there’s nothing smart about you Joe.””

    And the perfect retort would have been, “Can we see those Penn transcripts, or are they tied up with you Tax audit?”

  404. crushednjmillenial says:

    The thinness of Trump’s 2016 margin . . .

    Trump received 304 electoral votes (and, 2 faithless electors should have voted for him), so he had really 306. He won in MI (16 electoral votes), WI (10), and PA (20), by less than 1% in each state. I believe his wins in those three states were correlated (if his message was slightly different, it would effect all three states, so there was a strong chance he could’ve lost all three states). If he lost those three states and everything else stayed the same, he still has precisely 270 electoral votes.

    However, if he also lost the 1 electoral vote in Nebraska’s 2nd district, the 2016 election would have been a 269-269 tie. He beat Clinton in NE-2, and won the 1 electoral vote there, in 2016 by a tally of 47.16% versus 44.92%.

    It’s 150,000 or so votes that needed to change, in a country of 330 million people (or, 138 million or so voters), for 2016 to have come out differently. That’s approximately .1%.

  405. Fabius Maximus says:

    Fact checks come in, but they make no difference.

    https://twitter.com/SheriffReese/status/1311125507757416449
    “In tonight’s presidential debate the President said the “Portland Sheriff” supports him. As the Multnomah County Sheriff I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.”

    “Donald Trump has made my job a hell of a lot harder since he started talking about Portland, but I never thought he’d try to turn my wife against me! #PortlandSheriff #Debates2020 #DebateNight”

  406. homeboken says:

    Biden claiming Antifa is an idea while Wallace demands Trump denounce white supremacists. Pretty glaring difference in approach there.

    All in all, about what was expected. Trump ran his mouth, Joe looked weak (very weak at points). But nothing changes other than my entertainment for the evening.

    On the Russia front that Lin thinks nobody cares about, I disagree. I think we will see big name indictments from Durhams work. But you won’t see it until after Nov 4. Which is the right move. AGs bring charges that are ready to convict or pleas immediately. Durham doesn’t give a crap about the political schedule.

    Wallace handled the moderator duty about as gracefully as a back alley abortionist high on crank.

  407. homeboken says:

    Lin – Lib

  408. JCer says:

    what a sh*t show…..

    Seriously we should send Trump, Biden, and Wallace out to sea, all were terrible and get a D grade on their performance, there was no winner tonight. I’m hard pressed to find one example where either candidate really addressed the question.

  409. Fabius Maximus says:

    Home,

    Just like the Radcliffe crap today, Durham is tainted

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/11/prosecutor-quits-john-durham-probe-into-trump-russia-investigation-.html

    The Hartford Courant reported that Nora Dannehy resigned from the probe by John Durham due to fears that political concerns were behind pressure to produce a report before work was completed.
    Critics have said Attorney General William Barr is using Durham as a political weapon to discredit the prior probe by special counsel Robert Mueller into the Trump campaign and Russian election meddling.

  410. Phoenix says:

    Trump had more foundation on his face than Ivanka.

  411. Phoenix says:

    HMB,
    Funny. Ex was a blonde. Too much hair dye penetrating the cerebral cortex. But if the guy took a swing back at her she would have been the victim.

    Nice mugshot, however.

  412. Phoenix says:

    Definitely a Hot Felon.

  413. njtownhomer says:

    All of us lost today. Truly the beginning of a failed state. Good for gold, bitcoin, Asia-Pacific companies.

  414. CornPop says:

    Anyone undecided before (or after) the debates is a moron and should not be allowed to vote.

    Some networks broadcast a split screen for the entire debate, where the moderator is not shown at all — this is the best view. As you eatch both reacting to the questions, and each other, it is crystal clear Trump is sharp, focused, and ready to lead. Biden looks confused, disoriented, and simply falls back on his rehearsed debate prep script.

    Biden also refused to answer a critical question about the Supreme Court, instead facing to the camera and saying repeatedly “Go vote, go vote, go vote.” Weird.

    Biden also resorted to name calling numerous times (“clown”, “liar”, “worst president”). Trump’s insults were more nuanced, LOL.

    The debates don’t matter. The bottom line is Trump has actually delivered on all his campaign promises, and will gain a few percentage points over the 2016 election results.

    It is criminal that Gov Murphy dictates we are not allowed to vote in-person, and millions of ballots were sent out in this state via USPS.

    If we can go to ShopRite in-person, we can vote in-person.

  415. ExEssex says:

    Sharp, focused, and ready to lead us off a cliff….

  416. homeboken says:

    The battle plan for the rest of the week is clear -. Joe is stuck in a really right spot on:

    The supreme court – he doesn’t want to talk about packing it. Trump and his surrogates should be relentless here.

    Green New Deal – Bidens left flank is vunerable with Green New Deal and defund Police. He came out against both last night, hammer that point and the GOP can totally disenfranchise the hard left.

    Hunter – maybe it’s a low blow but nothing is off the table when it comes to Trump so I’d be out on TV constantly asking what that kid was up to. A kid like Hunter is very easy to manipulate and exploit via bribery and extortion. Connect the dots back to joe protecting his only living kid and you’ve got another weak spot.

    Here’s my question – when is the next time we see Joe? Lid at 10am today? O/U?

  417. Joe Biden says:

    Sleeping Joe wore a wire last night, there is a clip of it sticking out of his jacket.

    Bernie Sanders on a bad day could have trounced Trump in the debate, it’s too damm bad they picked a guy who is as far right as Ronald Reagan.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=%23JoeWired&src=typed_query&f=live

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