C19 Open Discussion Week 30

From Patch:

Ex-NJ Gov. Chris Christie Hospitalized After COVID-19 Diagnosis

Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was hospitalized on Saturday after announcing that he has tested positive for the coronavirus.

“In consultation with my doctors, I checked myself into Morristown Medical Center this afternoon,” Christie said on Twitter.

Christie said he’s feeling “good and only have mild symptoms,” but he felt this was an “important precautionary measure” because of his history of asthma.

“I am thankful for our hardworking medical professionals and look forward to coming home soon,” he said.

The former governor announced on Twitter that he tested positive for COVID-19, almost a week after attending an event at the White House where a number of attendees – including President Trump – later tested positive for the virus.

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250 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 30

  1. Juice Box says:

    First!

  2. Hold my beer says:

    First west of the Mississippi

  3. Hold my beer says:

    How many non wealthy people with similar health issues and physique would have been admitted out of an abundance of caution?

  4. BRT says:

    BRT the NYC “water” is a myth. NYC water is mostly surface water from the Catskills, it’s actually softer than is desirable for bread making or pizza for that matter. The only really important factor is that it is not very soft or very hard. A good baker can adjust for the variance in the water, water can also be adjusted, if you are making an artisan pizza you can make it anywhere with any water by adjusting the recipe.

    Yes controlling for time and temperature for the fermentation of the dough is critical, it’s amazing but small changes in humidity, temperature, and time can yield wildly different results. Pizza is really simple the ingredients a few(flour, water, salt, cheese, and sauce), what you don’t find in most parts of the country is good pizza joints, the cheap place you get a slice at. Artisanal pizzerias have exploded across the country like craft breweries, if you can get Italian flour and tomatoes(pretty much available anywhere) you don’t need much else.

    Bagels are a different story, in most parts of the country bagels are just not as popular nor nearly as profitable as fancy pizza(a peasant food being sold in restaurants for $15-20 a head not to mention the alcohol sold as well). The bakers aren’t likely to be skilled and they typically skip the critical step of boiling the bagel and bungle the rise and you wind up with a soft bread-y disk. I’m sure the matzoh ball soup is crap as well if you can even find it.

    At Pizzeria Bianco in Arizona, he runs the water through a filtration system and adds minerals. What’s more important is whether or not you have some sort of live culture to create more flavor and break down that flour into sugar.

    US has some awesome flour makers as well. King Arthur is a great product. But yeah, Italian 00 flour is the best. US also has great packed tomatoes from NJ or CA. I actually prefer CA canned tomatoes from Stanislaus over everything. San Marzano from Italy is of great quality. We now have some great Mozzarella Purveyors all over the country.

    What I find amazing is that around NJ, you have a number of pizzerias that don’t use all of those premium products but still put out an amazing product. Pizza is weird like that. I can have all the ingredients laid out with two identical pieces of dough. But if you assemble the pie differently and change the ratios, you get an entirely different pie. Same thing with temperature and bake time. And yes, the texture and flavor of the dough can change every 15 minutes.

  5. 3b says:

    My biggest problem with pizzerias in Bergen co is that they don’t spread the cheese all the way to the end of the crust. Must be a cost savings thing

  6. Hold my beer says:

    Another law and order and family values politician.

    He’s currently under indictment in Texas.

    And now his staff wants the feds to look into him.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-ag-ken-paxton-took-001020951.html

  7. 3b says:

    And the Democrat running for US Senate in North Carolina has apologized for sending flirtatious texts to a public relations strategist in California. Mr. Cunningham an Iraq veteran is married with two children. And has characterized himself as a moderate, and a man of decency and honor. He says he will not withdraw from the race, and has apologized to his family and friends for hurting them. He will work at repairing the damage. The Republican He is challenging meanwhile has tested positive for Covid. The race is now in turmoil. What a shit show!

  8. BRT says:

    It’s not that the water is a myth, it’s that in many parts of the country, people try to make dough with slimy chemically softened water, which sucks for everything. This is why hard water is problematic too, salt softening is cheap but sucks. You need to use RO to remove everything, and start from scratch. This is why naturally soft water is far easier to work with by simply adding mineral supplements. Either way, it’s about being goldilocks. It’s not too difficult to replicate any water from anywhere. Ask any brewer, they’ll tell you. This nonsense about trucking water from NYC, that’s more marketing than reality.

    Made plenty of dough with the old Italian guys. Ask them the recipe, they’ll laugh at you. There is no recipe. It’s all about look and feel.

    The tap water in the west does indeed taste like crap. Same for Florida. I’ll say this, the most refreshing tap water I’ve had was in Newark NJ. Any time I had meetings at Rutgers or NJIT, I could tell the difference. Same for my friend that lived in Newark. Maybe it was the lead?

  9. BRT says:

    My biggest problem with pizzerias in Bergen co is that they don’t spread the cheese all the way to the end of the crust. Must be a cost savings thing

    More likely, they don’t want it falling off the side and burning on the stones. It creates a foul smell. Any pizza done in a pan like sicilian style, grandma, or deep dish, this isn’t an issue.

  10. 3b says:

    BRT: Pizza In nyc always had cheese all the way to the crust.

  11. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    I stopped caring long ago. Now I just sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy from both sides.

  12. Bystander says:

    Hold,

    Don’t be too logical here. If Trump turns the corner, you can too (mutter, with immediate with air to hospital, oxygen, experimental injections and round the clock expert support)

  13. ExEssex says:

    The Trump administration’s credibility crisis continues as the president is mocked for apparently signing a blank piece of paper with a marker in photos taken at Walter Reed military hospital, in a vain attempt to show him working while fighting coronavirus.

    On Saturday night, the White House released photos of Donald Trump appearing hard at work while in hospital, where he remained for a second night after a “very concerning” period.

    His daughter, Ivanka Trump, shared one of the photos on her Twitter, with the caption: “Nothing can stop him from working for the American people. RELENTLESS!”

    But Mr Trump’s attempts to appear undefeated by Covid-19 were quickly picked apart by eagle-eyes commentators, who took to social media to accuse him of staging the photos.

    Seriously.

  14. BRT says:

    BRT: Pizza In nyc always had cheese all the way to the crust.

    Yes, it’s personal preference. The coal oven guys don’t care because they have such a good ventilation system.

  15. Sciencebeatz faith says:

    What if he does not? Day 7 is key to make it or break it. A guesstimate makes day 7 around Tuesday or Wednesday.

    What if Pence, McConnell and other GOP senators test positive with 20-40% of them being HermanCainized?

    So let’s see how it looks a week from today.

  16. Bystander says:

    Ex,

    It dawned on me what those ‘consulting fees’ were for. I shuttered in disgust.

  17. joyce says:


    Christie said he’s feeling “good and only have mild symptoms,” but he felt this was an “important precautionary measure” because of his history of asthma being morbidly obese.

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    I went to a farm market this morning, got some pumpkins, corn stalks, various types of autumn trinkets. What gorgeous weather! It really is a day to stay outside and enjoy. So, as I drove there and back, I still haven’t found an American flag mounted along with an O’Biden/Carmella sign. I also noticed that most of the houses flying an American flag were also decorated with autumn and Halloween stuff. The O’Biden signs are mostly by themselves… a sign of cynicism and bitterness…. an anti-American sentiment. It drips of bias and arrogance. Yet more proof that the progressive attitude is somewhat of a closed society, reserved for those who disapprove of classical America. Anyway, there’s got to be one O’Biden lawn sign with an American flag. Let us know if you see one.

  19. ExEssex says:

    1:22 oh look more psychobabble.

  20. Fast Eddie says:

    Nice! I see that Trump could be discharged as early as tomorrow? Good news!

  21. BRT says:

    The reality is, treating it within the first few days yields fantastic results.

  22. ExEssex says:

    1:31 Trump is discharge. Human excrement .

  23. Bystander says:

    Trump given serious steroid for severe cases, dexamethasone. The truth? As usual ,don’t expect any.

  24. ExEssex says:

    Physicians working closely with President Donald Trump during his bout with COVID-19 said he is doing well amid “frequent ups and downs” of his treatment.

    On Sunday morning, doctors told reporters during a press conference that Trump, 74, could potentially be discharged from the Walter Reed National Military Medical Center and back in the White House tomorrow if he continues to improve.

    “He has been up and around. Our plan today is to have him eat and drink, be up out of bed,” said Dr. Brian Garibaldi. “[If] he continues to look and feel as well as he does today, our hope is to plan for discharge as early as tomorrow to the White House, where he can continue his treatment course.”

    Dr. Sean Dooley said the president “continues to improve” and has been without a fever since Friday morning, adding that Trump is “not complaining of shortness of breath” and is walking around his medical quarters in the hospital “without limitation or disability.”

    Addressing whether the president has been placed on supplemental oxygen during his treatment, Dr. Sean Conley said Trump had “two episodes of transient drops in his oxygen saturation,” which “certainly never” dropped to the low-80 percentile.

    “We debated the reasons for this, and whether we’d even intervene,” said Conley of the two episodes. “It was a determination of the team based on the timeline from the initial diagnosis that we initiate dexamethasone.”

  25. ExEssex says:

    Wait there’s more…….

    Then, Conley, who confirmed the president had received supplemental oxygen while at the White House on Friday morning, was asked why the medical staff had been cagey about the use of oxygen in previous statements. “I didn’t want to give any information that might steer the course of illness in another direction and in doing so it came off that we were trying to hide something, which wasn’t necessarily true,” he said, sharing that he was “trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team, the president, his course of illness has had.”

  26. Fast Eddie says:

    See, what you enlightened wags fail to realize is that Trump is going to emerge well and even more determined than before. The American people are going to see someone who’s resolute and who refused to stop showing the nation he’s willing to fight. He didn’t hide in the basement with a mask, cowering in fear and he didn’t shutter the economy until it was shredded and unraveling. He insisted that we move forward and overcome the challenge because as he said yesterday, it’s his job to keep moving forward, to keep demonstrating to the country that he’s willing to step up. What all this is also going to prove is that we have effective treatments, just months after getting slammed and blindsided with an unprecedented event. It proves how quickly we pulled it together under his watch. Go ahead, elect O’Biden, let Carmella take over six months into his autocracy and then you all can stand in line for your toilet paper and ketchup. You know, equality and all.

  27. Perth Amboy knows says:

    Repellent and universally recognized dipshit Fast “I bought a cool Split level” Eddie needs to chill and go along with coming election results. Biden’s presidency is the least of your worries: have a real chat with the wifey as it will be illuminating, and the surprise down the road will be understandable. Future gonna be a bitch Edster.

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    “I bought a cool Split level”

    3700 sq. ft. center hall colonial on 3/4 acre.

  29. ExEssex says:

    Noice! $17k taxes?

  30. SomeOne says:

    5:05

    3700 sq. ft. center hall colonial on 3/4 acre.

    Timeshare?

  31. SomeOne says:

    Eddie,

    How many Trump flags are you flying and how many US flags?

  32. Grim says:

    Dex isn’t a serious steroid – it’s fairly standard

  33. joyce says:

    Tomorrow, I’m going to drive around my neighborhood and report back on flags. Stand by.

  34. BRT says:

    60 minutes airing piece on Seinfeld. He’s blowing off the problems in NYC. Bad timing right after Rick Moranis knocked out in random attack.

  35. BRT says:

    It’s too early in the process for him to have a respiratory problem. They are throwing everything at it ahead of time. Consequently, this is how they should treat every patient. Instead, they go. Go home, call us if it gets worse.

  36. Randle McMurphy says:

    ExEssex, what a coincidence, Obama also “signed blank pieces of paper”:

    https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/obama-signs-executive-order-requiring-loser-of-presidential-election-to-leave-country

    Please seek professional help.

  37. Randle McMurphy says:

    President Trump just drove past and waved to supporters (twice) who are waiting outside Walter Reed Medical Center…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AlXOYGZWes

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    Tomorrow, I’m going to drive around my neighborhood and report back on flags. Stand by.

    Yes, do your homework, Joyce!

  39. njtownhomer says:

    How many of such flags you counted were made in great stat of China? Did you ever check?

  40. ExEssex says:

    Remember that sweet flag company in Verona?

  41. Fabius Maximus says:

    Randle

    Donnie just got into a Hermetically sealed car, with what we assume to be a healthy protection detail for a photo op.

    Hopefully, they only have to disinfect the car and quarantine for 14 days.

    At least Ronnie just waved out the window at WR to show he was ok.

  42. Fabius Maximus says:

    Is it just me getting the vibe that that drive by was the 2020 version of a white Ford Bronco?

  43. No One says:

    I heard that also on 60 Minutes was the 10,000th example of journalistic propaganda hyping global warming hysteria.

  44. njtownhomer says:

    https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1312830100531032068

    The boss chimes in. If it was with the flags, or chants only ….

  45. Chicago says:

    10/5. FRIST

  46. D-FENS says:

    Must be just a coincidence that COVID-19 showed up at the rose garden during the Amy Comey Barrett announcement.

  47. BRT says:

    The 60 minutes piece was definitely stretching the truth. The idea that you can accurately predict something to the year 20 years out for one. The idea that forest fires are getting worse. The reality is, they put out so many in the decades leading up that it wasn’t getting worse for a long time. They just let more fuel build up for eventually, a big one. Forest fires have not scientifically been successfully linked to climate change. The last one was putting that fraud Michael Mann up there. His hockey stick graph was replicated off red noise by a statistician using his methodology. Of course they don’t revisit their prediction that polar bears would soon be extinct 15 years ago. Their population has continually grown.

    That’s not to say, that we shouldn’t act responsible, but the idea that there is a ticking time bomb for the planet is patently false and has no scientific basis.

  48. Juice Box says:

    All this emphasis on mask wearing with little science behind it, people have gotten sloppy, don’t wear gloves while shopping anymore, don’t wash hands often enough.

    Washing hands deserves more emphasis in the MSM, buy hey there is an election to influence.

    Look at the science behind it, Covid-19 last up to 9 hours on human skin vs 2 hours for the common flu.

    “The 9-hour survival of SARS-CoV-2 on human skin may increase the risk of contact transmission in comparison with IAV (influenza A virus is about 2-hours on skin), thus accelerating the pandemic. Proper hand hygiene is important to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2 infections.”

    https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1517/5917611

  49. Juice Box says:

    Here is a 60 minutes segment they did not show in the USA. I wonder why?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOti0PJlJ7A&feature=emb_logo

  50. Libturd says:

    On the mask tip, washing hands and physical separation. Not one person in my household has even had as little as a runny nose since February. Obviously, I can’t say definitively, which of those three had more influence on us staying healthy. So far though, it’s a welcome run for our family of five.

    If I were to guess, it’s really about the mask and exposure time. I don’t think much of anything else matters in comparison.

  51. Fast Eddie says:

    He pushed me up against the wall. He used his knee to separate my legs and then he said, “I want to f.uck you.” He then put his hand down my skirt and he penetrated me with his fingers. I pulled away and he looked at me and said, “Come on, man, I thought you liked me?” And I can see that he looked at me and looked angry. Then he put his finger up to my face and said, “You know you’re nothing to me, you’re nothing.”

    Tara Reade, detailing her s.exual assu@lt by Joe O’Biden

  52. Bystander says:

    “And I moved on him very heavily. In fact, I took him to the Rose Garden. He wanted to get a Supreme Court nominee. I said, “I’ll show you where they have some Supreme Court nominees.” I took him to the Rose Garden—I moved on him like a bitch”

    -The virus

  53. 30 year realtor says:

    Fast Eddie,

    What kind of strategy is it to bring up Biden’s one sexual assault allegation when there are 25 allegations against Trump? Are you attempting to demonstrate how much more productive Trump is?

  54. 3b says:

    How many people were at the Rose Garden announcement? And it was outside, but no one wearing masks. The masks would have made a difference I believe.

  55. Bystander says:

    Lindsay Graham..battling for career, getting abused in a debate and now begging for money like a two $ male wh*re. This is Dumpy’s ally.

  56. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    How do you know even one word out of her mouth is real? Because you want it to be?

    Women lie.
    They also tell the truth.

    So which one is it? Don’t badmouth someone unless you are damn sure it happened.

  57. Phoenix says:

    Of course masks make a difference. They made a difference before Covid. Anyone who does not believe this should demand their surgical procedure be done without any.

    Any takers?

  58. Juice Box says:

    It’s been studied and shown that for even healthcare workers who wear full PPE that hand washing is more important than wearing a face mask for preventing yourself from becoming infected when you are around people that are emitting water droplets with the virus. You cannot social distance effectively at all times whether it be work, on an airplane, the subway or bus, the supermarket or even in your own home.

    If people wash hands after contact with other people or correctly apply hand sanitizer you will destroy the fatty envelope of the virus and the water droplet encasing it. That prevents you from getting infected when you touch your face. It has been studied to show you will touch your face on average about 16 times and hour, and your hands are the main reason for your infection, as your hands touched someone or something with the virus droplets and then touch your face.

    Not to say we should not social distance and wear masks. I have never agreed with the anti-mask people out there but reality is hand washing is more important. I just see that there is hardly any emphasis anymore on hand washing, and wearing a chin diaper or a thin cloth mask can be a bit of a false sense of security. I carry hand sanitizer at all times and have a few gallons of refill in my garage.

  59. Fast Eddie says:

    Don’t badmouth someone unless you are damn sure it happened.

    Tell that to Christine Blasey Ford.

  60. Libturd says:

    The masks would have made a difference I believe.

    My family wear masks like a religion. We will simply not go within 10 feet of anyone, indoors or out without one. It’s not that difficult. We have hand sanitizer in our cars and at the doors to our home. If our 7 year old autistic kid can be fully mask compliant, then certainly you would expect the adults in the Rose Garden to be able to do it. Much like the Trump loyalists in the audience at the debate, Trump has turned the mask into a symbol of weakness. There is no denying it. At his rallies, some in the audience were willing to wear masks in the recent months because Trump’s advisors at least has begun handing out MAGA masks to all of the supporters staged behind the podium and in the front rows that are against the security fences. Nearly everyone else still sees the mask as a sign of weakness.

    It is truly a sad, sad day when the POTUS chooses to put the health of his supporters at risk for mask wearing. It is incredibly selfish of Trump and equally selfish of his supporters.

    This weekend, for my birthday, the family took a rare trip down to the Jersey shore. We planned to play mini golf in Ocean City and perhaps get some wonderful shore pie. As we approached the boardwalk, it was clear we were in Trump territory. Not a mask in site. We didn’t even bother to get out of the car. We decided to golf by the bridge to the Parkway which had about two other respectful families who put their masks on, as we did, whenever they were near. No one complained. No one felt their rights were threatened. Just respectful, intelligent families out to have some fun and trying to put an end to this plague.

    We decided to go down to Sea Isle City to see if the Promenade was more accessible to those less selfish as it’s way less touristy than Ocean City. It was perfect. We went to an empty arcade (we were the only family in it). We got ice cream, salt water taffy to bring home and popcorn for the D to eat in the car. Everyone was mask compliant and a great time was had by all. The people walking on the promenade were about 90% masked. We wore ours and steered clear of the selfish ones.

    I absolutely can’t believe the recklessness and dictator-like actions of our president. Is he trying to one up Kim Jon-un. It wouldn’t surprise me.

    This week alone, though infected with Covid, he went a large donator fundraiser in NJ anyway. Word is that he and the contributors health he risked were maskless. And now this SUV ride while hospitalized? It’s clear, what’s good for the rest of us does not matter to this asshole. How anyone in their right mind could still get behind this absolute pinhead is beyond me. There is no explaining your way out of your position. Either you are as dumb as he is, or you are lying to yourself. There is no other way.

  61. Phoenix says:

    “Don’t badmouth someone unless you are damn sure it happened.

    Tell that to Christine Blasey Ford”

    I would if I could, and if she reads this I just did.

    But you are here. So I am asking you.

    And this also goes to all those allegations about Trump as well. Women will lie about him too if it furthers their agenda. Waterboard them and see how many are liars.

  62. 3b says:

    Lib: There is a 3rd way. Stay home! Or don’t mail the ballot in or drop it off or whatever we are supposed to do!

  63. Walking says:

    We have been free of sniffles as well until last week after 4 of 6 of us went to the dentist. All caught a cold, sore throat runny nose for a week.

  64. Phoenix says:

    “It’s been studied and shown that for even healthcare workers who wear full PPE that hand washing is more important than wearing a face mask for preventing yourself from becoming infected when you are around people that are emitting water droplets with the virus.”

    Well, the general public are not healthcare workers. This virus is not getting past your skin. So anytime before you touch your face or eyes, you start by making your hands clean. Hand gel, put on face mask. Walk into grocery store. Touch what you want. Leave grocery store, hand gel BEFORE removing mask, then take mask off. You can’t keep a store clean.

    However, when you are home, you and your family -if you are diligent -can do better in your actual house with handwashing and frequent cleaning. But out in the public every time you touch something you would need to gel-and soon the skin on your hands is going to hate you. When it cracks and bleeds you will then have a new portal for entry of germs that can then turn you into a corpse.

  65. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Notre Dame has been a hot bed for positive cases. They showed up with an asymptotic super spreader. There is a false positive rate for testing. It will happen.

    The science says that masks are largely a political symbol and false sense of security. I don’t think they move the needle on battling the pandemic.

    The lack of exposure to common colds etc. can be a big eye opener when you do rejoin society. We went to a birthday party in August where someone showed up with a common cold. It spread like wildfire from someone who was largely asymptotic, just fatigue.

  66. Phoenix says:

    “The science says that masks are largely a political symbol and false sense of security. ”

    What science? Scientology?

    Masks do work. But they require compliance and attention to detail. So if the science says they don’t work due to the amount of individuals not wearing them, wearing them incorrectly, poor design, etc., then yes that is true. The problem is compliance and application. So what you are getting is a decrease in cases and not an elimination.

    Can’t wait to see what healthcare premiums are going to be like thanks to Covid. Those 70k- to 1mil hospital bills must be giving headaches to the bean counters who are going to jack up the rates sky high.
    And Medicare must be bleeding like a stuck pig.

  67. Libturd says:

    “The science says that masks are largely a political symbol and false sense of security”

    Narrative.

    There was one story that said some people won’t use them properly, so the CDC held off on pushing for their usage early on. They changed their story quite quickly, but you know, the Right had to maintain the Chinese Hoax, it’s contained and it will be back to normal by Easter lies.

    Like the whole anti-vax movement which was built from a lying doctor. The simple truth is, you are always better off wearing any kind of facial covering than not. You will not find a non-politicized doctor who will tell you otherwise anywhere. But go on risking your health and the health of those around you.

  68. Phoenix says:

    Countries that have adopted population-wide masking have fared better in terms of the rates of severe Covid-related illnesses and death. Another experiment in the Syrian hamster model simulated surgical masking of the animals and showed that hamsters with simulated masking were less likely to get infected, and if they did get infected, they were either asymptomatic or had milder symptoms than unmasked hamsters.

  69. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    Here is one for you. Lying or truthful? Is she a gold digger, or did it happen?
    She settled for a price, but now claims she was “mentally unfit” to make that choice. Was her original testimony “unfit” as well- did it ever really happen if she was “mentally unfit?”

    Ahh, and here come the psychologists and therapists, that for a “fee” will contend she was not of right mind when she accepted the check.
    Next a female judge. Should be fun. Guilty or not guilty?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8805897/Cristiano-Ronaldo-face-rape-accuser-court-Las-Vegas-judge-rules-against-him.html#comments

  70. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    Let’s be more specific, by masks I meant face coverings and surgical masks. They do almost nothing to prevent infection. Negligible. Look at Osterholm’s take, you won’t find a more credible source in the subject.

    If a politicized study says that a bandana will keep you safe, take it with a grain of salt. People were wearing tinfoil hats in the sixties to prevent nuclear radiation.

    In terms of N95+, which would reduce exposure substantially, we’re better off with the herd immunity route. They are totally debilitating and impractical.

  71. TruthIsTheEnemy says:

    I don’t like the comparison to universal mask mandate countries in terms of mask effectiveness because they are likely to have cultural influences including conformance thet could just as likely be a factor. Step out of line in Singapore and let me know how it works out.

    We don’t have that conformity here. Look in the orthodox neighborhoods. They’ve been ignoring the guidance since day one and have paid a price. Would it have made a difference if they were all wearing masks in Lakewood but still meeting in big groups? I doubt it.

  72. BRT says:

    Lib,

    not entirely true. There was a study years ago that showed that viral transmission “may” be increased with masks for the cold due to the increased moisture allowing viral droplets to stick to the mask more effectively. But back then, this was chalked up to more studies are needed to confirm.

    With respect to masks, for the individual, it is doesn’t do much, but it does something. If it worked, front line workers wouldn’t have been getting infected en masse. Obviously, an N95 is much more effective.

    That being said, when rate of transmission is hovering around 1.05, a large percentage of people wearing of masks, the small effectiveness it does have does lead to statistically favorable outcomes for the population and virus control. That’s the real value. This factors in all the people who don’t wear one or even wear it with their nose exposed. The data shows that so I’m sure that previous study has a lot of evidence countering their idea at this point.

    My main issue with the mask is that there is a large portion of the population that thinks once they wear a mask, social distancing is no longer important. Social distance is obviously more effective than masks, yet the person who violates the mask order is demonified whereas the people that don’t adhere to social distancing are completely ignored.

    I’ve been in a situation in the county park where we are in a wide open space of a 25 mile path and someone has said I should have a mask on, even though, we are in the hot sun and there is 40 feet between us.

  73. Fabius Maximus says:

    So Clarence Thomas shows the true game plan. The right are after Obergefell. If they get that overturned they can sidestep Roe.

    https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1313110698201841665

  74. Juice Box says:

    Negligible? It’s about degree of infection.

    Wearing a face masks correctly is consistent with the theory of viral pathogenesis. The severity of disease is proportionate to the amount of viral particles spread and received during the infection phase. The idea here is less virus particles can mean development of a mild infection which would allow you to develop your own immunity faster.

    The very idea of the development of immunity and vaccines is based on this. Giving people an “inactivated” live virus for the flu for example which was done in the H1N1 outbreak, it all goes back over 500 years ago when in China they would take smallpox scabs make a powder out of them and blow them up the nose of the healthy. It usually resulted in a mild infection opposed to a full blown infection with a 35% death rate.

  75. joyce says:

    Is she a democrat or republican?

    Phoenix says:
    October 5, 2020 at 10:37 am
    Eddie,
    Here is one for you. Lying or truthful?

  76. 3b says:

    Maybe we should have a little more conformity here, instead of so many people screaming about their rights. What about responsibilities that come with those rights? What about a little more concern for the common good?

  77. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    We wear masks and physically separate. Then again, we are smart enough to follow directions on their proper use. If the supermarket is crowded? I won’t go in.

    Thanks for the explanation.

    I would argue that people could be taught to wear their masks properly. The political will out of the White House is not there. As a matter-0f-fact, the POTUS just made a mockery of the need to quarantine. The truth is, if the shoe’s were reversed and Obama pulled this stunt, he’d be up for impeachment tomorrow. Obama was not THIS stupid.

  78. joyce says:

    No

    3b says:
    October 5, 2020 at 11:06 am
    Maybe we should have a little more conformity here, instead of so many people screaming about their rights. What about responsibilities that come with those rights? What about a little more concern for the common good?

  79. Fast Eddie says:

    An MSNBC producer released a sc@thing open letter after quitting her job — accusing the network of becoming a “c@ncer” that “blocks d1versity of thought” and “amplifies fringe voices.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/08/04/msnbc-producer-calls-network-a-cancer-after-quitting-job/

  80. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Hands…straws slipping through.

  81. Phoenix says:

    “Look in the orthodox neighborhoods. They’ve been ignoring the guidance since day one and have paid a price.”

    Don’t resist. Follow the law. Yeah, bunch of hypocrites most Americans are. They pick and choose what laws they choose to follow, but want everyone prosecuted that does not follow the law they believe in.

    Joyce
    Is she a democrat or republican? Does not matter, pick or choose. Both are fully capable of being dishonest if it gets them what they want.

    “Maybe we should have a little more conformity here” Well, we could make up a law that those who refuse to wear masks pay more for their health insurance. That would be very American. Use the legal system to make people pay financially. Money is the grease that lubricates the American speculum.

  82. Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    So what? All news sources do that today. It sells papers and advertising.

    Money, the grease that lubricates the American speculum.

  83. Libturd says:

    “the common good?”

    There is no common good when the president plays the part of the alpha male to such a consistent degree that his supporters have found this rudeness to be acceptable.

    In a decent society, everyone would do what is necessary to save the few. In the society where the President has made it acceptable now to brag about grabbing women from their puss1es, making fun of the disabled, joking during times of serious despair (PR), and making 1st grade nicknames for every person and media source that disagrees with you (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nicknames_used_by_Donald_Trump). It’s clear why the common good is no longer a consideration. It’s now, I got mine, fukc you and yours. This is sadly the truth. The Office of the President is being run like a fraternity house. It’s truly a disgrace. The world laughs at this administration and even more so at those who choose to support this dictator in the making, by ignoring the constant lies that Trump considers his successes. To this day, he still blames everyone but himself for everything that goes wrong. And there are just so many things that are going wrong.

    Good riddance in another month. It’s not even going to be close. Polls are moving in the wrong direction now. I just hope he does not embarrass our country any further by refusing to leave after being thoroughly pounded in the general. I’ve been around for 50 years now. Never have I wanted a president physically removed. Never. I’m more of a live and let live type. I believe elections have consequences. I love my enemies. I really do. Trump is not my enemy though. He is actually a risk to the well-being of the entire country. November can’t come soon enough.

  84. Phoenix says:

    Oops, I did it again
    I played with my gun, shot you in the chest,
    Oh baby, baby
    Oops, you think I’m a hero
    That I’m sent from above
    I’m not that innocent

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8806405/Texas-city-worker-31-killed-white-cop-trying-break-brawl-man-woman.html

  85. 3b says:

    Lib : I don’t disagree. And trumps riding around in a motorcade is a shocking display of stupidity and selfishness. But the common good was long gone in this country before Trump. I don’t see that changing anytime soon if ever. Sad, but true.

  86. 3b says:

    Joyce: So chaos instead?

  87. Libturd says:

    3b,

    I agree. I would guess, from looking at charts and my knowledge of history, it all started around 1970, when I was born. This is when the lobbies established themselves and the fruits of American labor began being routed mainly to the top.

    So yes, the common good has been eroded over the years. The respect for the office of the POTUS was just completely wrecked. I can’t believe Fox News has even given up on him. This takes real high level douche skills.

  88. joyce says:

    I was joking.

    Phoenix says:
    October 5, 2020 at 11:24 am

  89. joyce says:

    Are those the only two options?

    3b says:
    October 5, 2020 at 12:00 pm
    Joyce: So chaos instead?

  90. Libturd says:

    That Texas shooting appears pretty damning on the surface. Who wants to bet that his body cam malfunctioned at the time? Any takers?

    I’ll wait for more news to come out before I commit one way or the other. Though this one looks pretty bad.

  91. 3b says:

    Joyce: I don’t know honestly. But at the moment I would have to answer yes.

  92. 3b says:

    Lib: I would say closer to 1980, but we are pretty close time frame wise. When did Fox need give up on him?

  93. joyce says:

    What rights do you want people stop screaming about?

  94. joyce says:

    3b,
    I’m just trying to understand your comments. Maybe some people should stop screaming about their rights, focus on responsibilities and common good. Okay, I understand but do not agree. Jumping to chaos. Is this in reference to recent protests/riots?

  95. Juice Box says:

    The rise of the internet and transparency and “free” sharing of ideas and information on social media not available to previous generations is one of the main reasons why we are here today. A place where everyone’s voice is amplified and spread far and wide whether is if factually correct or not.

    Trump was elected because people no longer trusted our institutions and leaders, he was and still is an outsider after all. A failed businessman who became a reality tv star and in the last dozen years the most effective user of social media for framing issues to his strategic advantage. We know this because it won him the 2016 election against Hillary and their machine which spent billions of dollars and they still lost to an Orange clown who has no filter and tweets incessantly.

    He will lose in November not just because of Covid-19 but the same thing that got him elected will now defeat him. People complain about Biden putting a lid on his campaign at 10AM nearly every day. Seems the strategy of keeping quiet and let Trump dig his own grave is working, as Trump has eroded the trust that got him elected in 2016.

    Should be interesting to see what pops up in the next 29 days. We are in the last stretch of campaign spending. Prepare to be assaulter on all fronts, I heard they are knocking on doors again in swing states even with the risk of Covid-19. This is both sides knocking on doors.

    There is over 10 Billion to be spent this election cycle folks a new record.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/election-2020-campaign-spending-set-to-hit-record-11-billion.html

  96. 3b says:

    Joyce: Basically the right that people believe they can do whatever they want , and answer to no one. The Karen’s, the riots and destruction that are portrayed as peaceful protests, the insanity of Trump, the lies of Biden, the out of control political correctness. The madness of everyone is offended. I don’t know pick one or more? By common good I mean doing what’s most beneficial for the majority of people. I believe that most people away from the manufactured differences, want the same thing. Economic security, a decent place to live, financial security, a good education not indoctrination for their children. The right to agree or disagree on wearing masks, but wear one anyhow if it may help. I don’t know but it seems we are spiraling out of control, and neither side cares.

  97. ExEssex says:

    White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany tested positive for the coronavirus as President Trump remains hospitalized with the virus and as first lady Melania Trump remains in isolation with Covid-19.
    McEnany gave a briefing to reporters at the White House on Thursday, hours before Trump advisor Hope Hicks was revealed to have tested positive.
    Others connected to Trump and White House who have tested positive include campaign manager Bill Stepien, RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel, advisor Kellyanne Conway, Chris Christie, and Sens. Mike Lee, Thom Tillis and Ron Johnson.

  98. Libturd says:

    As to the riots. Though we all detest the destruction of private and public property and especially the violence against the police, I do understand what provokes it and to some extent am willing to justify it. How many more police shootings of innocent black men (and women) and women are going to occur before anything is going to change. Yeah, there’s way more black on black shootings. Yeah, many of these men were caught in the act of doing something illegal or resisting arrest. But the quick jump to the police’s handgun as a show of force has to stop.

    The problem is, the non-violent protests don’t have any impact whatsoever on reducing systemic racism, both in American society as well as behind the thin blue line (of silence). If people won’t listen to non-violent protest, then perhaps the increased press coverage the movement receives from the increased violent nature of the protest might be worth it. It’s a risk the protesters are willing to take and sadly must take because simply protesting continues to fall on deaf ears.

    What irks me, more than anything, is how the right has both ignored the non-violent protest and has created a real bullsh1t narrative of cities being burned down with massive violence against the police. The right throws the word “riot” around likes it Newark 1967. What I witnessed was less concerning than a mosh pit of skinheads at a music festival. In many of the these protests, law and order was purposely standing down hoping the violence would increase and it hardly did. In 1967 Newark, 26 people were killed and 100s were injured? In Plainfield, one cop was murdered. Do you all know what caused the Newark riots? Racist cops and police brutality. A cab driver signaled and passed a double parked police car. The cops grabbed the driver and beat him to a pulp. Then they arrested him and beat him some more in the local pen.

    The defund the police movement has never meant to eradicate the force entirely. It simply means to spend some of the money on social workers, mental health workers, addiction experts, etc. The supposedly minority loving right created the “defund the police = completely get rid of them,” narrative.

    I have a sister that lives in Portland. She has lived there for the past 30 years. Never, at any point, was she concerned with the “riots.” Every step of the way, the cops did everything in their power to not just stop them from escalating, but in many cases, incited further protest through their Law & Justice hardline.

    Thank the lord Trump wasn’t in office during the civil rights movement. He probably would have doubled down on police brutality and separate but equal.

    Yesterday, in the progressive bastion of Montclair, completely unprovoked, someone at a light rolled down the window and told the black woman in the car next to him to “go home.” If I was a black American, I would probably resort to violence as well. Trump, did less than nothing to appease the protesters and once again, the black message has fallen on deaf ears. Next time, I expect it to be more like Newark.

  99. homeboken says:

    Per Glassdoor:
    Job Openings in Metro-Areas
    Year-over-Year

    LA: -29.9%
    Seattle: -27.6%
    D.C.: -25.9%
    NYC: -24.2%

    Of course, this just pandemic related job loss, right? Not necessarily, Nationally Job Openings are down 15% from last year.

    So CBD job openings are down meaningfully more than the national average.

    Impact on residential real estate in supporting sub-urbs to the above?? My very technical analysis sasy – It ain’t good.

  100. 3b says:

    Home I noted last week by me in Bergen Co, that crap shacks in the worst physical locations are selling. It’s amazing or perhaps a better word scary. I don’t know how these people buying them rationalize their decision. It won’t end well in my opinion.

  101. D-FENS says:

    Nope.

    Class please see below comment for an example of brainwashing.

    Libturd says:
    October 5, 2020 at 1:28 pm
    As to the riots. Though we all detest the destruction of private and public property and especially the violence against the police, I do understand what provokes it and to some extent am willing to justify it. How many more police shootings of innocent black men (and women) and women are going to occur before anything is going to change. Yeah, there’s way more black on black shootings. Yeah, many of these men were caught in the act of doing something illegal or resisting arrest. But the quick jump to the police’s handgun as a show of force has to stop.

    The problem is, the non-violent protests don’t have any impact whatsoever on reducing systemic racism, both in American society as well as behind the thin blue line (of silence). If people won’t listen to non-violent protest, then perhaps the increased press coverage the movement receives from the increased violent nature of the protest might be worth it. It’s a risk the protesters are willing to take and sadly must take because simply protesting continues to fall on deaf ears.

    What irks me, more than anything, is how the right has both ignored the non-violent protest and has created a real bullsh1t narrative of cities being burned down with massive violence against the police. The right throws the word “riot” around likes it Newark 1967. What I witnessed was less concerning than a mosh pit of skinheads at a music festival. In many of the these protests, law and order was purposely standing down hoping the violence would increase and it hardly did. In 1967 Newark, 26 people were killed and 100s were injured? In Plainfield, one cop was murdered. Do you all know what caused the Newark riots? Racist cops and police brutality. A cab driver signaled and passed a double parked police car. The cops grabbed the driver and beat him to a pulp. Then they arrested him and beat him some more in the local pen.

    The defund the police movement has never meant to eradicate the force entirely. It simply means to spend some of the money on social workers, mental health workers, addiction experts, etc. The supposedly minority loving right created the “defund the police = completely get rid of them,” narrative.

    I have a sister that lives in Portland. She has lived there for the past 30 years. Never, at any point, was she concerned with the “riots.” Every step of the way, the cops did everything in their power to not just stop them from escalating, but in many cases, incited further protest through their Law & Justice hardline.

    Thank the lord Trump wasn’t in office during the civil rights movement. He probably would have doubled down on police brutality and separate but equal.

    Yesterday, in the progressive bastion of Montclair, completely unprovoked, someone at a light rolled down the window and told the black woman in the car next to him to “go home.” If I was a black American, I would probably resort to violence as well. Trump, did less than nothing to appease the protesters and once again, the black message has fallen on deaf ears. Next time, I expect it to be more like Newark.

  102. homeboken says:

    D-Fens – I was going to respond to Lib’s post as well:

    I will tell my client, the affordable housing developer with Minnesota HQ that the new construction development that burned to the ground during the beginning of the George Floyd protest, was really no big deal. Just like a mosh pit.

    I don’t have the heart to tell the 150+ low-income families that were going to move into these brand new apartments that a mosh-pit caused their new home to burn to the ground.

    Guess I am just a big softee.

  103. Phoenix says:

    I’m good with letting it all burn. I’ll just pick up my go bag and move on.

  104. JCer says:

    Also lib this is a patently false statement and narrative:

    “How many more police shootings of innocent black men (and women)”

    There are not a whole lot of innocent people of any race being shot by police and there certainly aren’t enough to show any semblance of systemic racism, This is a red herring and continuing to push this does nothing to “fix” the problems with the criminal justice system. Furthermore on the list of serious issues that need to be addressed it is such an infrequent event that it doesn’t deserve 1/100th the attention it is getting, to put it into perspective the police kill fewer unarmed people of all races each year than people killed in crosswalk accidents. If people want to make a positive change they should go after profiling, disparity of treatment once in custody, and the large issue that effects all races but more so black folks, the prosecution and imprisonment of the poor for crimes they didn’t commit.

    Also how is defund the police working? So far any cities that have pulled back on police coverage are suffering from horrible crime increases.

    As for Montclair, the liberal elites are worst, so many closet racists. Doesn’t surprise me in the least. I don’t call the police on black contractors and delivery men but my neighbors with the BLM signs on their lawns have.

  105. ExEssex says:

    I will be leaving the great Walter Reed Medical Center today at 6:30 P.M. Feeling really good! Don’t be afraid of Covid. Don’t let it dominate your life. We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge. I feel better than I did 20 years ago!

  106. Fast Eddie says:

    We have developed, under the Trump Administration, some really great drugs & knowledge.

    Unprecedented! This is the way government and private industry used to work together. Trump brought it back.

  107. BRT says:

    Home I noted last week by me in Bergen Co, that crap shacks in the worst physical locations are selling. It’s amazing or perhaps a better word scary. I don’t know how these people buying them rationalize their decision. It won’t end well in my opinion.

    I do, they’ve been paying over $4000 a month for a tiny apartment with mouse crap, leaky faucets, and no insulation. As sad as it sounds, it’s a huge upgrade.

  108. ExEssex says:

    3:18 he truly loves our Country.
    I wonder if he’s talked branding on the vaccine..?

  109. 3b says:

    BRT: Perhaps short term, but they will in my opinion come to regret their decisions.

  110. Fast Eddie says:

    I wonder if he’s talked branding on the vaccine..?

    Not a bad idea.

  111. Bystander says:

    All our times have come
    Here but now they’re gone
    Seasons don’t fear the reaper
    Nor do the wind, the sun or the rain, we can be like they are
    Come on baby, don’t fear the reaper
    Baby take my hand, don’t fear the reaper
    We’ll be able to fly, don’t fear the reaper
    Baby I’m your man
    La, la, la, la, la
    La, la, la, la, la
    Valentine is done
    Here but now they’re gone
    Romeo and Juliet
    Are together in eternity, Romeo and Juliet
    200, 000 men and women everyday, Like Romeo and Juliet
    200, 000 men and women everyday, Redefine happiness
    Another 1, 000 coming everyday, We can be like they are
    Come on baby, don’t fear the reaper
    Baby take my hand, don’t fear the reaper
    We’ll be able to fly, don’t fear the reaper
    Baby I’m your man
    La, la, la, la, la
    La, la, la, la, la

  112. Libturd says:

    Homeboken. I have lots of friends who live/d in the city. They didn’t leave due to BLM. They left to escape the Covid. There really is no room to distance yourself and family in a city. The parks are only so big. Then there is the transit issue. My closest friend, who I speak with nearly daily said half of his apartment building is rented but empty. They all moved back in with their parents since they can all WFH. He says they all plan to return when Covid is over.

  113. Dink says:

    “Must be just a coincidence that COVID-19 showed up at the rose garden during the Amy Comey Barrett announcement.”

    Now my interest is piqued. What deliciously stupid conspiracy theory have the wingnuts cooked up this time?

  114. Libturd says:

    JCER,

    First, the change in the allocation of the funds will take a while to work effectively. Second, and we went over this before. The cops are intentionally not patrolling black areas of the city. This is why shooting is up.

    Funny, four years ago, so much of the crime in our cities was due to illegal immigration. We built the wall and crime is worse. This is what happens when you lie through your teeth to get things done. Crime is even up in the border towns. What happened?

    Btw, my company is headquartered in St. Paul. You were aware that the protest was peaceful until looting was incited by white supremacists? Nah. That part was left out of the narrative.

    https://www.startribune.com/police-umbrella-man-was-a-white-supremacist-trying-to-incite-floyd-rioting/571932272/

    I know you guys don’t want to hear that the country is still pretty racist. But it is! And the Aryans are aligned with the right. And the right is proudly accepting of them.

  115. NJGator says:

    @ExEssex

    The Dex makes you cranky, manic and simultaneously feel invincible. When our three year old was on it, he roid raged so massively that one of the neuro-oncologists wanted to put him on anti-depressants. He stuffed his face massively while on them and chemo, didn’t throw up and looked like the Baby Buddha. Then they took them away and he started puking and stopped eating for almost 18 months.

    Viewing the Toddler-In-Chief’s recent actions, they all seem in line with the mania and mood swings our little guy experienced while on it. I sure hope for everyone’s sake that someone replaced the nuclear codes with yesterday’s Powerball numbers.

  116. Happy Renter says:

    Like others, COVID has prompted my family (4 thru 44) to be better about frequent hand-washing. I’ve also noticed that, since we started these new habits in March, no one has so much as caught a cold or had a stomach bug. Of course, our interactions with friends, strangers (public transportation) and coworkers has plummeted since March, so that likely has something (perhaps more) to do with it as well.

    In September, the kids went back to school — private, now. So far, so good. Not so much as the sniffles.

    We wear masks indoors when we’re required to — otherwise, we go about our business as usual. The kids play together outside mask-free with the neighborhood kids. We have friends over and go to friends’ houses for social get-togethers, mask-free like normal human beings. We’ve been out to restaurants, to beaches, etc., all without wearing masks. The kids will be trick-or-treating like American kids should be come Halloween.

    Life is full of low-probability dangers. The data show that this virus is far less of a threat to healthy adults and children than many other dangers we face every day–from influenza, viral meningitis, driving in automobiles, riding bikes on the streets, playing contact sports, etc. We are not going to stop living our lives because of this virus — to do so would be both stupid and pointless.

    Add COVID to the list of things that Trump has defeated. The memes post reelection are going to be funny.

  117. Fast Eddie says:

    Ed Koch once said that liberals don’t have the stomach to fight terr0rists. We can assume COVID is a terr0rist of a different sort. The point is that they would rather hide and hope that it all goes away than rise to the challenge. Like a child pulling up the covers not to see the boogie man, the left operates on hopes and dreams. That’s a true line above… that of COVID being another thing Trump has, well… trumped.

  118. Libturd says:

    Keep believing that Happy Renter. Every indication is for a loss and a big one. The polls have clearly moved in the wrong direction for you. Enjoy your dream.

  119. Libturd says:

    First, Trump’s not even out of the hospital yet. Second, he had a very small chance of dying from it due to the level of care the POTUS receives.

    We’ll see if Christie and the others fair as well. You do know? 200K+ have died.

    And the right is celebrating Trump’s recovery from Covid like an accomplishment. You guys are as truly demented as your leader.

    I bet if he chose to play Russian Roulette with the leaders of the G7, you would cheer that behavior too.

  120. Happy Renter says:

    “You were aware that the protest was peaceful until looting was incited by white supremacists?”

    Yes, yes — peaceful protests by Gentle Giants ™ and literal hammer-and-sickle waving communists all across country suddenly erupted into burning, looting, murdering, rioting, and beatings, all because there was a white guy with an umbrella (supposedly “a member of the Hells Angels biker gang”) who allegedly broke an auto parts storefront window on May 27th in Minneapolis.

    The window broken by Umbrella Man was literally the first window ever broken in the history of BLM/communist/anarchist peaceful protests.

    While the entire world was stunned into silence by the sheer terror of the broken Auto Zone storefront window, the diabolical Umbrella Man then used his Jedi mind powers to make “Peaceful Protests Intensity” as per CNN. Thus, Umbrella Man turned helpless, peaceful protestors and Gentle Giants into marauding gangs of thugs, burning police stations, beating bystanders, blinding law enforcement officers with lasers, shooting people, looting stores … all while still mostly peacefully protesting.

    What new horror will those dastardly right wingers unleash next?

  121. Fast Eddie says:

    The polls have clearly moved in the wrong direction for you.

    October 26th, 2016:

    Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the presidential election.

    Conducted after the final presidential debate, the poll finds the Democratic nominee leads Trump among likely voters 51% to 37%, a significant lead over the Republican candidate.

  122. Libturd says:

    AP-GfK? What the heck is that? How about comparing a real poll. Like the bribe accepting Rasmussen poll. Or the Fox News polls? I’m not worried whatsoever. Too much Trump hate now.

  123. homeboken says:

    This is a very weird election, both sides are loudly claiming that this will be a land-slide victory for their candidate.

    Setting aside my personal opinions on the outcome – There are so many loud and confident supporters on both sides. Some of them are going to have a really hard time with the outcome.

    My guess – November 2020 to January 2021 is going to make us all yearn for the simpler times of April 2020 COVID lockdowns.

  124. Libturd says:

    versus

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

    Good luck.

    See when you handpick the one poll that’s an anomaly, you are clearing intending to deceive. Worry not, I will not hold it against you. I’ll even share my bourbon with you. But you ain’t drinking from the bottle.

  125. Libturd says:

    Home,

    I am leaving my bias out of it. I know what happened in 2016. It was really incredible. Though the reason the polls were off was researched and determined. The HRC hatred is not here this year. It does not exist with Biden. Even the senate looks like it is slightly favoring the blue team now. This certainly was not the case in 2016. If I was a research analyst, I would write off 2016 as an anomaly/outlier until a trend of faulty polls is proven. Remember, the terms used is likely voters. So many likely voters stayed home last time. They are not going to this time. Heck, even I voted this year already, which I didn’t in 2016. The only defense the red team has is look what happened in 2016. Everything else is not looking like it supports a Trump victory.

  126. Happy Renter says:

    Ah yes, Nate Silver. He had the best hair on Election Night 2016, as I remember.

    https://youtu.be/LFSPi3v4cXQ

    Yes, yes — we know that Trump will never win reelection. It is a physical impossibility. We know this because the lying press told us so.

  127. JCer says:

    First of all it is very likely Trump loses, but I suspect it will be somewhat close. In NJ he’s getting blown out, there isn’t much support for Orange here.

    The narrative that white supremacists started the riots is revisionist history. All of these losers come out to riot. What no one has really pointed out in the media is the race narrative is false it isn’t BLM vs white supremacists, neither race nor policing is the reason for the unrest. What we are dealing with is classic political struggle between far left and far right in times of crisis. The left has tried to position this as a moral issue, as being about injustice which is absolute nonsense.

    Anyone with a good grasp of history can see the parallels between what occurred in Spain in the 1920’s and 30’s with what is happening today in places like portland. Fundamentally you have communists/liberals/progressive whatever you want to call them and the far right(facists?), they both have violent hodlums they are using to advance their cause and clashes are being fought on the street. These organizations are political movements fighting on the street, they have ties to legitimate political figures. That is the reason Obiden, claims antifa doesn’t exist, he knows they exist, they answer to the organization he claims to lead. Similarly the proud boys ultimately have ties to the republicans hence why Trump won’t really denounce them. The liberal wing of the DNC has been building up this street crew for the last 2 decades. This is how political violence starts, goon against goon, then it escalates to goon against elected official and the next thing you know you have a civil war. For those who don’t know the Spanish civil war began when after a police officer was killed by the right wing, the left wing(Again the street troops, plausible deniability) kidnapped and killed the minority leader of parliament, this incensed the military and prompted the invasion by Franco, the rest is history.

    The thing that scares me most is that at least hillary would have been in control, crooked but actually running things. In Biden’s case we don’t know who will be running the show, is it Obama, is it the Banks, Soros, the liberal wing of the party, Kamala? One thing we know for sure he won’t be running it.

  128. Happy Renter says:

    [posts most insane left wing conspiracy theory about white supreeeeeeemacists turning creating the black/communist/satanist riots]

    “I’m leaving my bias out of it.”

    lol

  129. JCer says:

    God help us if the democrats sweep, seriously. Trump can take a hike but as Left has indicated holding the Senate is important. There needs to be a check on the power of the democrats because as bad as the republican platform is(cutting taxes, and welfare but not spending!), the dems is worse in so many ways and they have mentioned changes that are detrimental to the existence of our country(court packing schemes, the elimination of the filibuster, etc), very dangerous of they are left unchecked.

  130. JCer says:

    Lib has TDS, I’ve heard Hydroxychoroquine is effective against it……

  131. ExEssex says:

    Lord have mercy. Can’t you people see what this idiot is doing to “us”. Seriously, if at this point you believe this nincompoop has anything of value to add to the Nation, you are in a class of complete and total space cadets.

  132. Happy Renter says:

    “Lord have mercy. Can’t you people see what this idiot is doing to “us”. ”

    What he’s “doing” to us lol … well generally the government doesn’t do very much that’s beneficial to normal, productive members of society. At least:

    – He’s not trying to take my guns away.

    – He’s not pushing anti-White, racially targeted blood-libel nonsense in schools and in government.

    – He’s not excusing the black thugs, communists, and satanists who have been rioting since June while local left wing governments turn a blind eye.

    – He’s not raising my taxes.

    – He’s not flooding the country with infinity third-worlders (“We need more Ethiopians — stat!”)

    – Has hasn’t started any new wars (Iraq – thanks Joe!) or any boneheaded military campaign to create more of said flood of third-worlders (Libya – thanks Barry!), or started a shooting war with the largest nuclear-armed rival on the planet, like every mouth-breathing chicken hawk democrat seems to want with Russia.

    – He hasn’t abolished ICE or Border Patrol, or de-funded the police and replaced them with social workers.

    I could go on. There are few things that any president actually “does” that are beneficial to normal Americans. It’s mostly a matter of not doing things.

  133. ExEssex says:

    I give up. You and I live in completely different countries.

  134. Happy Renter says:

    Apparently you live in the country that needs more Ethiopians.

  135. D-FENS says:

    My comment is the opposite of this.

    ExEssex says:
    October 5, 2020 at 5:02 pm
    Lord have mercy. Can’t you people see what this idiot is doing to “us”. Seriously, if at this point you believe this nincompoop has anything of value to add to the Nation, you are in a class of complete and total space cadets.

  136. D-FENS says:

    NBC Polls are intelligence service propoganda

  137. Fast Eddie says:

    October 23rd, 2016:

    (CNN)Hillary Clinton has a 12-point lead over Donald Trump and has reached 50% support nationally among likely voters, a new ABC News tracking poll shows.

    The poll shows Clinton with 50% support to Trump’s 38%, with 5% backing Libertarian Gary Johnson and 2% supporting the Green Party’s Jill Stein.

  138. Fast Eddie says:

    October 23rd, 2016:

    Hillary Clinton has vaulted to a double-digit advantage in the inaugural ABC News 2016 election tracking poll, boosted by broad disapproval of Donald Trump on two controversial issues: His treatment of women and his reluctance to endorse the election’s legitimacy.

  139. Juice Box says:

    Who is the say sleeping Joe isn’t next in line for the Wuhan Wheeze? All bet’s are off folks the virus does not like an elephant or a donkey any better.

  140. ExEssex says:

    5:32 something tells me you’ll be nostalgic about Trump’s single term as President.

  141. No One says:

    Anyone watching “Lovecraft Country” on HBO?
    I was a horror need in high school so read most of HP Lovecraft’s stories. The series totally fails to capture any of that horror. Instead the TV show appears to be all about critical race theory and intersectionality, where every single white person in the US burns with the desire to mistreat black people, police all want to kill them on sight, and then the black protagonists dream of revenge fantasies when they get to kill the whites themselves. It’s a seriously sick show entirely driven by racial enmity. They also throw in all of the LGBTQ stuff to round out the wokeness. This is the propaganda behind the next race war. I guess woke Libturd would love it now.

  142. ExEssex says:

    6:01 its….a…..tv show.

    FFS.

  143. chicagofinance says:

    Eddie: I’m sorry to say that Trump is going to get crushed. He needed the swing vote, and he absolutely imploded with the debate, and this last 5 days of disease has exposed him as reckless and ridiculous. Given how the communication was handled about his hospitalization, it is clear that he is a top down commander. All of the lack of mask wearing is his demand, and look how many people he put at risk. I don’t know how he can sink any lower in his public demeanor.

    That said, I am seeing his supporters REALLY digging in their heels. I would be very careful with any Trump supporter, because they are on watch looking for any sign of dissent. This last week was an absolute kill shot to him. It highlighted all his weaknesses.

  144. chicagofinance says:

    I saw Chernobyl on HBO Max this past weekend. Incredible mini-series. Very much worth your time.

  145. joyce says:

    3b,
    Pretty sure I know where you’re coming from and agree with most of it. My disagreement stems from the fact that this country is allegedly supposed to protect individual rights, and especially protect the minority’s rights from being trampled on by the majority. As an example, doing what’s most beneficial for the majority of people in a pandemic might not include protecting the sick and elderly at the expense of other things. I don’t think the protests were about people believing they can do whatever they want. This year we’ve had protests about quarantine restrictions, criminal justice reform (people standing up for what they think are events infringing on their rights) and other things … and we’ve absolutely had rioting from some people in the aforementioned groups as well as outside agitators coming from all angles. Things are definitely getting worse and I don’t know what it will take to turn it around; but focusing on the common good vs individual rights is not something that I think will help.

  146. leftwing says:

    “But the common good was long gone in this country before Trump.”

    “I agree. I would guess, from looking at charts and my knowledge of history, it all started around 1970…”

    “I would say closer to 1980, but we are pretty close time frame wise.”

    You guys may want to rewind the tape a bit….Triangle Shirtwaist, Five Points, debtors prisons, etc, etc

    Never in this country has there been more concern for the commonwealth than now. If Trump is a step back from the last 30 years – not conceding he is – it a slight loss of footing after you are three quarters of the way up the mountain. Unnoticeable in the larger scheme.

  147. Libturd says:

    Haven’t seen the special Chi, but the story is one of bravery like few will ever know. How they ran that reactor without completing the containment structure is pure crazy.

    Defenz – “My comment is the opposite of this.” – Thanks for the laugh.

    JCER – I like you and appreciate your explanations, but Antifa and Proud Boys are really little more than Jerry Springer guest wannabees. Your concept of organized troops it is not. Americans are not nearly tough or smart enough to form their own ISIS factions.

  148. D-FENS says:

    DON’T BE AFRAID!!

    chicagofinance says:
    October 5, 2020 at 7:42 pm
    Eddie: I’m sorry to say that Trump is going to get crushed. He needed the swing vote, and he absolutely imploded with the debate, and this last 5 days of disease has exposed him as reckless and ridiculous. Given how the communication was handled about his hospitalization, it is clear that he is a top down commander. All of the lack of mask wearing is his demand, and look how many people he put at risk. I don’t know how he can sink any lower in his public demeanor.

    That said, I am seeing his supporters REALLY digging in their heels. I would be very careful with any Trump supporter, because they are on watch looking for any sign of dissent. This last week was an absolute kill shot to him. It highlighted all his weaknesses

  149. Libturd says:

    I am not convinced that Trump is in it for more than the graft. Certainly, nepotism is not part of the draining of the swamp.

  150. No One says:

    The Chernobyl series was really good using outdated standards of merit, but must be disqualified from all awards when considering social justice. None of the Russians were portrayed by actors of color, thus it was another example of white supremacy. Also there were no gay love scenes or trans characters, enough said. It also implicitly criticized collectivist soviet thinking while glorifying independent thinkers willing to defy the scientific consensus approach. Reactionary in so many ways.

  151. Libturd says:

    Don’t forget to purchase your Trump recovery coin from the White House.

    https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/trump-defeats-covid.htm

  152. chicagofinance says:

    When they sent the comrades out to the roof to push off the graphite for 90 seconds……. that was the most insane thing ever. I feel as if I watched a science fiction movie, but it fcuking happened!

    No One says:
    October 5, 2020 at 8:24 pm
    The Chernobyl series was really good using outdated standards of merit, but must be disqualified from all awards when considering social justice. None of the Russians were portrayed by actors of color, thus it was another example of white supremacy. Also there were no gay love scenes or trans characters, enough said. It also implicitly criticized collectivist soviet thinking while glorifying independent thinkers willing to defy the scientific consensus approach. Reactionary in so many ways.

  153. No One says:

    Exessex,
    Yes a TV show actively inciting and glorifying race-based violence and racial hatred.
    If you swapped the actors’ races the show would have been denounced and shut down.

  154. chicagofinance says:

    Libturd says:
    October 5, 2020 at 8:16 pm
    Haven’t seen the special Chi, but the story is one of bravery like few will ever know. How they ran that reactor without completing the containment structure is pure crazy.

    https://youtu.be/xulAgMNK5Jk?t=48

  155. Fabius Maximus says:

    Do you know what is really funny. In that litany of pharma they dumped into Donnie, I didn’t see Hydroxychloroquine on the list?

  156. Democrats for Trump says:

    It’s MAGA Time…

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WhzpULU9TcY

    Back in business. More public appearances in the last 4 days than Biden.

    You can’t stop the Trumpinator.

  157. ExEssex says:

    8:54 it’s a bird, it’s a plane…. Trump’s a suuuuuuuuper spreaaader!!!!

  158. BoomerRemover says:

    Here’s a closeup of him standing there

    Is it just me or is he really focused on taking those breaths? I can’t tell if he’s having a hard time breathing or is just getting ready to tear sh*t up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiUk03MUfs

  159. Fabius Maximus says:

    Democrats for Trump

    I have a few people posting their ballots on FB. “I’m a 30 voting year Republ1can and I’m casting a vote for Joe!”

  160. D-FENS says:

    https://twitter.com/kloeffler/status/1313201217309417478?s=21

    ExEssex says:
    October 5, 2020 at 8:56 pm
    8:54 it’s a bird, it’s a plane…. Trump’s a suuuuuuuuper spreaaader!!

  161. BoomerRemover says:

    I found the below video on YouTube just now. It purports to show a urgent address to the nation. Is this an example of a deep fake, if so we are in for a ride the next decade.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO-nBaQsOS8

    I should see links for this clip from other outlets as well, but I don’t. Why? Was this taken down or rejected by the algo?

    Stumped.

  162. JCer says:

    Fab they only used what worked, HCL sadly is not very effective against covid, I wouldn’t go so far as to say it does nothing but it is not the potent antiviral needed. The early does of remdesivir and the experimental antibodies is likely far better.

    Trump has really put himself in a hole, the covid circus hasn’t helped him, unless he has something up his sleeve he has all but lost. He just needed to lie low and get sympathy for a few days but he couldn’t even do that.

    Lib you prove my point on Antifa and the Proud Boys. During the 1920’s and 30’s the “footsoldiers” for extremist political groups were derided as a band of misfits, they were the people left behind suffering under the economic political system of the day. They were useful idiots for much smarter, more cunning, and more motivated figures. The idiots in the streets weren’t an army, were not particularly good at anything but chaos. It escalated from fist fights to burning churches and factories, to murder. These people never took power they were simply the pawns that justified revolution. They used these people to create a crisis and then offered a solution to solve it (Facism or Communism). Everyone had to pick a side, even people on a given side acknowledge how bad some of the people on t”their side” were. What you are seeing is political theater utilizing useful idiots….

    This cr@p has been going on since ancient Greece.

  163. Phoenix says:

    HCL is very effective against Covid, unfortunately the acid burns you get from it are usually fatal if given I.V. or ingested. Gives new meaning to hot 🔥 sauce.

  164. Fabius Maximus says:

    So how hard does Donnie crash from this and do we see Pence at the helm by the weekend?
    https://twitter.com/JesseDamiani/status/1313260738471849985

    Pence is still planning rallies and is still reckless about the mask. I wonder if people realize that if we were to lose Donnie and Mike, we get Nancy.

    There is no replacement VP without house sign off.

  165. Bystander says:

    Listening to this dangerous moron’s 30 sec speech, this was clearly a desperate political hoax. He says get “out there”, “greatest doctors in the world” and vaccines are coming “momentarily”. What fascist, lying scum..he will kill many more to keep power..sick f&ck.

  166. ExEssex says:

    I hope President Trump has a swift and complete recovery from COVID.
    I hope the United States has a swift and complete recovery from President Trump.

    Bill Kristol

  167. JCer says:

    Phoenix, I’m sure trump was hyping that as well, drink some muriatic acid! HCQ, either way not going to cure covid.

  168. JCer says:

    ExEssex, that guy(Kristol) is neocon war criminal whose claim to fame was working for Dan Quayle, an absolute swamp creature if there ever was one. Seriously if he’s against Trump maybe we should be for him? There hasn’t been a bad war he hasn’t wanted the US involved in.

  169. ExEssex says:

    “He’s not yet in the second phase of COVID. We call it falling off the cliff,” Chin-Hong said. “It’s a 7-10 day honeymoon period and then suddenly you could need a trip to the ICU.”

  170. ExEssex says:

    A blue wave this November led by Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden would lead to a surge in economic growth, according to Goldman Sachs.
    Goldman said in a note on Monday that Democratic control of the presidency and Congress would raise the probability of a fiscal stimulus package worth at least $2 trillion.
    Longer-term spending measures proposed by Biden targeting infrastructure, climate, healthcare, and education would also help boost economic growth prospects, Goldman said.

  171. Phoenix says:

    Ruh Roh Shaggy. They just never learn.

    White cop is charged with murder for shooting and killing a black city worker, 31, who was trying to break up a fight with a man and a woman at a gas station.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8809095/White-cop-arrested-charged-murder-connection-slaying-31-year-old-city-worker.html

  172. ExEssex says:

    The desperation that has driven Donald Trump to leave hospital prematurely and theatrically pull off his mask on the White House balcony while in the throes of coronavirus infection gives some measure of how dangerous the next four weeks will be.

    Many students of Trump’s life and career have warned that he would be prepared to sacrifice anyone – even those closest to him – to spare himself the humiliation of a one-term presidency, but even they surely could not have anticipated how literal that sacrifice would be.

    It involved creating a culture in the White House in which the wearing of masks was scoffed at, and seen as a sign of disloyalty, the worst sin in the Trump court. Trump drove home the message on Monday night, staging a spectacle of his return to the White House maskless, with photographers forced to be in attendance. He has produced a toxic workplace to the point of potential lethality.

  173. ExEssex says:

    A super-spreader event was held there to make the most out of Trump’s nominating Amy Coney Barrett to the supreme court – exploiting the opportunity of Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death, and then the president and his considerable entourage fanned out around the country in pursuit of campaign funds.

    It included Trump’s insistence on leaving hospital on Sunday night and driving around the block to drink in the adoration of the small crowd of faithful that had gathered at the gate. In so doing he obliged secret service agents to get into a hermetically sealed armoured car with a patient showing full-on symptomatic coronavirus.

    The bodyguards are there to take a bullet for the president, not to take one from him, but that was in effect what Trump was demanding they do for a photo-op.

    Amid the ensuing outrage over his insouciance, Trump appeared not to appreciate the point: that he had shown no heed of the safety of others, even loyal public servants. His reaction only served to prove that same point. He did not grasp that these people had significance.

    “It is reported that the Media is upset because I got into a secure vehicle to say thank you to the many fans and supporters who were standing outside of the hospital for many hours, and even days, to pay their respect to their President. If I didn’t do it, Media would say RUDE!!!”, Trump tweeted.

    What stands out is the president’s sense that he was the victim once again – and the only other people who mattered were those who had shown their personal allegiance to him.

  174. 30 year realtor says:

    Last night was Trump’s version of Bush’s Mission Accomplished. Stay tuned!

  175. D-FENS says:

    https://twitter.com/posonaut/status/1313284632130052096?s=21

    30 year realtor says:
    October 6, 2020 at 6:53 am
    Last night was Trump’s version of Bush’s Mission Accomplished. Stay tuned

  176. Hold my beer says:

    Wonder if Fast got WAP watching that.

  177. Fast Eddie says:

    Beer,

    Cool vid. The guy is a f.ucking beast but it really doesn’t matter. The media is in full blown onslaught trying to get O’Biden elected. I saw a few minutes of his “town hall” gathering last night… a few whiners asking questions and O’Biden rattling off the talking points, oblivious to the question when asked about cleaning commercial airplanes for travel.

    It’s too much to overcome; the blitzkrieg by the lefty toadies derailing Trump’s successes, which are many but not being repeated. Then there’s the whole thing with Comey and the inside shit with the fake FISA, the fact that O’biden sexu@lly assaulted that woman, his dealings with money from Russia… all of that seems to be pushed aside because of the media’s willingness to do his dirty work.

    The only hope is that Barrett gets confirmed and we get the House and Senate in two years from now. Let O’Biden get elected… it’ll at least sedate the slow-minded masses… I hope! Those of us who push the country forward will continue to do so while the lower-informed crowd wonders why they still haven’t had their cell phones and rent paid for.

  178. ExEssex says:

    Get ready eddie:

    Democratic nominee Joe Biden has stretched his lead over President Trump in post-debate polls, leaving panicked Republicans to warn the party could be headed for heavy losses on Nov. 3.

    Biden has opened up his widest national lead in months in both the RealClearPolitics and FiveThirtyEight averages with 29 days to go until Election Day. Several recent polls have found Biden leading by landslide margins nationally.

    New polls of Arizona, Florida and Pennsylvania, a potential tipping-point state to get Biden to the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House, show Biden building a substantial lead.

    Trump is struggling mightily with the groups that powered his 2016 election victory, including seniors, independents and suburban voters. Women are breaking for Biden in huge numbers.

    Republicans are worried that Trump is headed for a resounding defeat that could decimate the party’s ranks in the Senate, where the GOP is frantically working to protect its majority against a wave of Democratic spending.

    “Republicans are in big trouble in my opinion,” said former Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), a contributor for The Hill.

  179. D-FENS says:

    https://youtu.be/L88VWoz5eA0

    Hold my beer says:
    October 6, 2020 at 8:26 am
    Wonder if Fast got WAP watching that.

  180. Hold my beer says:

    I will interpret that as a yes

  181. Happy Renter says:

    “This race is over. The money will dry up; the Republicans will start to hide; Trump has no place to go; this race, as of tonight, is effectively no longer a Presidential race. I will guarantee–I mean, every thing I know about Presidential politics, and I’ve been through five of them, I’ve never seen one like this. This race is over. He might as well accept it. And the question now is, how do you minimize the damage? And the only way you can do that, it seems to me, is to try to grab hold of some old ‘conservative values’ thing, and do what Mondale did in ’84, which is try to save a few people down ballot. But as far as Donald Trump is concerned, it will never, ever, ever happen.”

    – Lying Press, October 8, 2016

  182. ExEssex says:

    Happy Renter “wishes” it was 2016. That ship has sailed, hit the iceberg….

  183. Bystander says:

    Gator,

    I have to echo your pointed post about steroids as their short-term boost. My mother had rare jaw cancer last fall. She is mid 70s and can barely walk with diabaetes related neuropathy. They put her on steroids for several days and she exclaimed “I’ve never felt better” and was walking around with skip in her step for a week. That faded quickly. She is alive after the battle but back to barely walking. President Roid, not the Orange Patton.

  184. D-FENS says:

    Communication from Biden’s debate earpiece intercepted and leaked

    https://twitter.com/bobbogomez/status/1312769510588514308?s=21

  185. Bystander says:

    Happy,

    Difference is we’ve seen his destructive insanity for 4 years now. Good luck, Insane Orange Clown posse. Don’t Stop Believin’ – Journey

  186. Happy Renter says:

    this is my fight song!

    https://youtu.be/YttscNOoAjA

    lolzozlllll

  187. D-FENS says:

    This is an incorrect comment. We have seen constructive progress.

    Bystander says:
    October 6, 2020 at 10:38 am
    Happy,

    Difference is we’ve seen his destructive insanity for 4 years now. Good luck, Insane Orange Clown posse. Don’t Stop Believin’ – Journey

  188. SomeOne says:

    ExEssex, 9:02 and 10:25:

    Let’s not jinx it.

  189. Juice Box says:

    re: “Let’s not jinx it”

    Narrow leads in only some swing states. You would think by now the people living in Ohio and Iowa would have polled +10 for Biden by now. Problem is people know sleeping Joe and they know he won’t do squat for them, well because he never has. He isn’t running on his record he is running on the promise of high paying green energy jobs that may never exist because they do not exist now.

    Allot can and will happen.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/ohio/

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/iowa/

  190. Phoenix says:

    Twitter crap. Ha ha. All funny.
    Mock Joe.
    Mock Trump.
    Make childish videos while the country is burning to the ground.
    And make no mistake.
    It is and it will.
    The things that entertain Americans. It’s why Toyota can make a running car and Dodge cannot.
    Thanks, boomer.

  191. Phoenix says:

    Steroids are great and make you feel great, like the fountain of youth. Until you use them long term, then they screw everything up.

    The old double edged sword with side effects.

  192. Stuart J Weissman says:

    When the D was on that steroid, he looked like John Belushi.

  193. Bystander says:

    The problem with that thought D is that if Trump was some rogue non-politician game changer then Rs should have been uncomfortable with his policies too. Instead he towed the R party line on crazy military spending, enriching wealthy via tax cuts, anti-enviromentalism, anti-healthcare, anti-abortion and stoking white supremacy base. No progress, same old sh#t. Fed bails stock market and dolts want to point to great economy..you really have nothing but toothless exec orders and chair shuffling trade deals exhalted as major wins. Pass some legisaltion, change the rules for all. The rest is non-sense.

  194. Fast Eddie says:

    So, should I mail in all my ballots at once or should I spread them out over a few days?

  195. Libturd says:

    You left out the massive deficit spending

  196. Juice Box says:

    Since when are the democrats deficit hawks?

    Pelosi’s last spending Bill in May was 3 TRILLION. The latest one is 2.2 TRILLON.

    Deficits don’t matter, since well the politicians who borrowed money will all be dead when the bill comes due.

  197. Libturd says:

    Deficit spending doesn’t matter, until it does. And I was referring to pre-pandemic spending. :P

  198. D-FENS says:

    My Durango runs great! Then again it’s technically an Italian company anyway…

    Phoenix says:
    October 6, 2020 at 11:23 am
    Twitter crap. Ha ha. All funny.
    Mock Joe.
    Mock Trump.
    Make childish videos while the country is burning to the ground.
    And make no mistake.
    It is and it will.
    The things that entertain Americans. It’s why Toyota can make a running car and Dodge cannot.
    Thanks, boomer.

  199. D-FENS says:

    Not that it’s good but let’s not get hysterical…we owe it to ourselves. The majority of the debt is in our own retirement accounts.

  200. Juice Box says:

    Lib – So Pre-Pandemic the democrats were deficit hawks? Pre-Pandemic National Debt we already at 100% of GDP. Nobody cares we all go off this cliff together that is if you are alive to see it.

    Lets just focus on the last 20 years.
    Yr Deficit Added % Increase Notes
    2001 ($128) $133 (1.2%) 9/11 attacks, EGTRRA
    2002 $158 $421 1.4% War on Terror
    2003 $378 $555 3.3% JGTRRA
    2004 $413 $596 3.4% Iraq War
    2005 $318 $554 2.4% Katrina, Bankruptcy Act
    2006 $248 $578 1.8% Bernanke chairs Fed
    2007 $161 $501 1.1% Bank crisis
    2008 $459 $1,017 3.1% Bank bailout, QE
    2009 $1,413 $1,632 9.8% Stimulus Act. Bank bailout costs
    2010 $1,294 $1,905 8.6% Obama tax cuts, ACA, Simpson-Bowles
    2011 $1,300 $1,229 8.3% Debt crisis, recession and tax cuts reduced revenue
    2012 $1,077 $1,276 6.6% Fiscal cliff
    2013 $680 $672 4.0% Sequester
    2014 $485 $1,086 2.7% Debt ceiling crisis
    2015 $442 $327 2.4% TPP, Iran deal
    2016 $585 $1,423 3.1% Presidential race
    2017 $665 $672 3.4% Trump Tax Act
    2018 $779 $1,217 3.8% Deficit spending
    2019 $984 $1,314 4.6% Government shutdown
    2020 $1,083 $1,281 4.8% Military spending increase
    2020C $3,700 N.A. 17.9% With COVID-19 impact

  201. Fast Eddie says:

    Oblammy care and the fake shovel ready pay back to cronies at the expense of the value-added class was/is painful. Subtract the COVID impact and Oblay-blay was an epic pig. Every financial ache that directly impacts me is the result of promises made to the meaty lumps of lard that yawp and yelp for more democrat pervers1on.

  202. joyce says:

    The individuals incurring and benefiting from the debt are entirely different from the individuals who must bear the burden of different future policies, programs and repaying that debt.

    D-FENS says:
    October 6, 2020 at 12:08 pm
    Not that it’s good but let’s not get hysterical…we owe it to ourselves. The majority of the debt is in our own retirement accounts.

  203. D-FENS says:

    Maybe, but my understanding is that they did not incur debt to pay for the stimulus. The money supply was increased.

    joyce says:
    October 6, 2020 at 1:15 pm
    The individuals incurring and benefiting from the debt are entirely different from the individuals who must bear the burden of different future policies, programs and repaying that debt.

  204. chicagofinance says:

    Forgot…… dozens of cooperating Russian (male) scientists were replaced with a single female character….. your disqualification is revoked.

    No One says:
    October 5, 2020 at 8:24 pm
    The Chernobyl series was really good using outdated standards of merit, but must be disqualified from all awards when considering social justice. None of the Russians were portrayed by actors of color, thus it was another example of white supremacy. Also there were no gay love scenes or trans characters, enough said. It also implicitly criticized collectivist soviet thinking while glorifying independent thinkers willing to defy the scientific consensus approach. Reactionary in so many ways.

  205. ExEssex says:

    Chernobyl was a very very good ‘film’ as I would classify it. It was artfully done and the period of the time was captured so well. I find their sensibilities to be relatable.

  206. joyce says:

    The monetary system is debt based. The FED prints/creates money to purchase debt the US gov issues. So the debt did go up, but also this inflation of the money supply also benefits some at the expense of others.

    D-FENS says:
    October 6, 2020 at 1:17 pm
    Maybe, but my understanding is that they did not incur debt to pay for the stimulus. The money supply was increased.

  207. Fast Eddie says:

    Joyce,

    Did we find any O’Biden lawn signs along with an American flag?

  208. chicagofinance says:

    I am indifferent to the outcome of the Presidential election, other than the wish that the results are not contested, and hoping the Senate does not flip. Bearing in mind that I firmly believe in masking and social distancing, I think the Machiavelli in me hopes that Trump ends up sabotaging his own health, and serves as a warning to the rest of the U.S.A. to take this health situation seriously. Hopefully, we can move forward with a responsible and reopened economy. His behavior over the last week has been absolutely stunning.

    Bystander says:
    October 6, 2020 at 11:49 am
    The problem with that thought D is that if Trump was some rogue non-politician game changer then Rs should have been uncomfortable with his policies too. Instead he towed the R party line on crazy military spending, enriching wealthy via tax cuts, anti-enviromentalism, anti-healthcare, anti-abortion and stoking white supremacy base. No progress, same old sh#t. Fed bails stock market and dolts want to point to great economy..you really have nothing but toothless exec orders and chair shuffling trade deals exhalted as major wins. Pass some legisaltion, change the rules for all. The rest is non-sense.

  209. ExEssex says:

    People say that you’re no good,
    But I wouldn’t cut you loose, baby, if I could.
    Well, I seem to stay down on the ground,
    Baby, I’m too far gone to turn around.

    https://youtu.be/lIwnbYwmFOI

  210. Libturd says:

    I heard the Chernobyl film was a real blast.

  211. ExEssex says:

    “We are witnessing a death match between Selfishness and Stupidity.”

    Dan Rather

  212. 3b says:

    As per Trump, no stimulus until after election!

  213. D-FENS says:

    They got McAfee. Tax evasion. Damn. He was a good follow on the Twitter.

  214. BRT says:

    I heard from someone who’s wife works at Morristown Medical Center. Nurses at Morristown are annoyed. They said anyone else in Christie’s COVID case would have been told to go home and call us if symptoms get worse.

  215. BRT says:

    They got McAfee. Tax evasion. Damn. He was a good follow on the Twitter.

    The IRS is compromised by a bunch thugs in many ways. My brother was working in an auto garage where the owner apparently owed a lot of back taxes, unbeknown to the employees. One day the IRS shows up and blocks it all off. Mechanics at many shops are forced to bring their own tools, thousands of dollars worth. The IRS basically stole all of the low level workers tools. Wouldn’t let a single guy go in to get his property.

  216. homeboken says:

    How quickly we forget the 2016 GOP primary. The GOP establishment despised Trump with the same vitriol that the current DNC.

    People like Lindsey Graham were on the record saying that if the GOP is dumb enough to choose Trump, it will be a death spiral and entirely their own fault.

    In the last 4 years many of the GOP have decided to toss their hat into the Trump ring now since they see the alternative more clearly. But don’t delude yourself into thinking the GOP created Trump. Trump killed the GOP as you remember it during that primary cycle. The DNC is next.

  217. JCer says:

    home, it makes sense everything he goes near gets destroyed. He truly maybe the president to bring us to the end of the world, something about Trump being the president in 2020 feels the way it should…..

  218. ExEssex says:

    Biden just gave the speech that killed maga.
    Gettysburg, PA

  219. chicagofinance says:

    EVH – holy shit!

  220. njtownhomer says:

    Trump sealed the loss today. All swing states will fall + triple crown. Possibly TX and FL if they don’t suppress the vote like they are doing now. Entire Travis, Harris, Dallas county has a single mail dropbox location. Amazin….

    Donald J Mondale in a month or so coming next to you.

  221. Libturd says:

    Evolent health Chi?

    Homeboken – Trump did hijack the red team. I can’t believe they worked with him. The one thing that was always known about him is that all that matters to Trump is Trump.

    He only wanted to be president to add it to his resume. Can’t believe so many actually thought he cared about America, more than his properties.

    On the bright side, he grifted like all the rest before him.

  222. Phoenix says:

    “forced to bring their own tools, thousands of dollars worth. The IRS basically stole all of the low level workers tools. Wouldn’t let a single guy go in to get his property.”

    They should riot, loot and protest.

  223. ExEssex says:

    I have a dog named “Eddie” . When you name your dog after someone it’s kind of a big deal. Edward Van Basset incidentally.

  224. Phoenix says:

    Chi,
    Sad. See it every day. 60 is the equivalent of a car with 100k. You start needing parts and service-and run the risk of throwing a rod, or having a blown head gasket. After 60 it’s a crapshoot.

  225. chicagofinance says:

    Sorry man…..

  226. chicagofinance says:

    When you chainsmoke like a bitch, it can catch up….. always remember him with a cigarette smoldering off the end of his guitar.

    Phoenix says:
    October 6, 2020 at 6:12 pm
    Chi,
    Sad. See it every day. 60 is the equivalent of a car with 100k. You start needing parts and service-and run the risk of throwing a rod, or having a blown head gasket. After 60 it’s a crapshoot.

  227. Bystander says:

    Eddie..god..idol. 2020 sucks..more

  228. Bystander says:

    Trump will give 650m to Kodak but claim fiscal respons. with states. Not that I agree with states not tightening. It is jobs too.

  229. Fast Eddie says:

    Just heard Atomic Punk on the Boneyard, earlier. RIP EVH.

  230. Fabius Maximus says:

    https://twitter.com/SRuhle/status/1313510359656026112
    Comments by Fed Chair Jay Powell Are worth noting.

    Despite all the Fed has done to keep markets afloat, he is very clearly urging Congress and the White House to save the real economy.

    🚨THIS IS A “The Economy Is In Trouble” RED FLAG 🚨

    Powell said: “The burdens of the downturn have not been evenly shared. The initial job losses fell most heavily on lower-wage workers in service industries facing the public: job categories in which minorities & women are overrepresented.”

    “In August, employment of those in the bottom quartile of the wage distribution was still 21 percent below its February level, while it was only 4 percent lower for other workers.”
    “Combined with the disproportionate effects of COVID on communities of color, & the overwhelming burden of childcare during quarantine & distance learning, which has fallen mostly on women, the pandemic is further widening divides in wealth & economic mobility.”

  231. Bystander says:

    Gator nailed it with irrational, moody roid behavior. Trump claims he will talk “after he wins” next month.

    “The timing of Trump’s sudden move perplexed even Republicans since there was little downside politically to allowing the talks to continue to play out. Now, they fear, that Trump’s decision will make it easier for Democrats to pit the blame squarely on the White House for the collapse of the talks as many voters are eager for more relief from Washington.”

  232. ExEssex says:

    Try this on one: https://youtu.be/qDzFrc1NwmI

    The man was the best at what he did. True innovator.

  233. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lib / Gator,

    Got offered a nice settlement agreement from my district. I’ll kick in some token $$ (<5%) and they'll leave us alone for probably 3 years and we'll pick it up again. I could fight it out for the full win, but I learnt the OAL game is always stacked against the parents. This is cheap insurance for me.

  234. ExEssex says:

    6:12 sadly American rock stars tend to die almost a decade earlier than their British counterparts. Its a rough and tumble way to make a living. The road, i am told, can shave years off your life.

  235. ExEssex says:

    Oooops sorry That earlier link…gary cherone….woooosh

    Try this one: https://youtu.be/VQgHvOvujNE

  236. No One says:

    If the senate falls to Dems, there will be at least 2 years for them to do what they want. Last time that happened we got the Obamacare debacle. This time I guess some sort of Green new deal lite as part of BBB, more govt Healthcare expansion will be the priority. Big tax hikes for the rich including a likely capital gains hike. Plus all of Trump’s executive orders lightening up on regulations will be reversed by the administrative state led by Biden’s appointees.

  237. ExEssex says:

    Aw man Johnny Nash!! RIP

    https://youtu.be/NkwJ-g0iJ6w

  238. Juice Box says:

    RIP EVH – First time I saw Van Halen I was a young teen at the old Brendan Byrne Arena for their 1984 tour, truly an amazing night for me, my brother and friends. Last time was their reunion tour in 2008 at Madison Square Garden with Diamond Dave another great night even with Dave being Dave, great memories thanks Eddie for your music!

  239. SomeOne says:

    No One,

    Last time that happened we got the Obamacare debacle.

    What is the alternative option in your opinion?

    With pre-ACA law, pre-existing conditions were not covered for all, there were life-time maximums on coverage, there was no cap on yearly out-of-pocket costs, …

  240. Juice Box says:

    re: “What is the alternative option in your opinion?”

    I’ll chime in…

    Alternative is just like most other developed countries you have to control costs. We do not do that here as our system of government is ONLY pay to play at all levels.

    Case in point in NJ. My doctor has a contract with my insurer, he takes me as a patient under that contract and accepts “negotiated” payment and copayment. Yet he still decides his rate is $675 an hour and decides to balance bill me for the the unreimbursed portion of his rate. Is this legal? (insert ambiguity here). Do I need a $675 dollar an hour doctor? Is he better than the rest? Can I rate shop? How about an app that shows which doctor is better or has lower rates? Do I have to pay this balance bill for in-network service? Well it seems my lawyer friend gave me great advise, he said I will have to call a lawyer (and pay them) on that one too. So far we are on year three of this nonsense, he sends me a bill with reminders and when I go to the office every six months and ask about it they hand me a card for a person to call to negotiate.

    Not hanging this on the Docs, the rest of the medical establishment is based upon massive amounts of obscurity both technical and legal which adds a huge portion to the cost some where around 20%. During my days as a consultant I worked on a billing and coding system for a doctors group, this was a long time ago before ACA. I would based on what I know about their systems say ACA made it worse than before in this regard as it has created another monster to deal with administratively.

    I would be all for single payer, but that is if the “pay to play” folks did it right which they will not. So the alternative is we all go bankrupt together.

    I all of a sudden remember I have an EU passport. Maybe I will just jump on a flight and go there if I ever need too. But then I remember I have a doctor and nurse in my family too they live in the EU and I know how their rationing works. People have no idea here. You will wait for life saving surgery, and if you cannot wait well we will remember you at the Pub after the wake.

    So bankruptcy it will be…ACA well I don’t qualify.

  241. BRT says:

    Singapore diverts a percentage of your paycheck to a health savings account. Doctors have to publish prices. Turn it into a cash business, prices go down. Insist everyone has all encompassing insurance, silly games get played and prices go up. Health insurance should be for catastrophic things we can’t afford. The way we use health insurance is akin to using your car insurance to fill up the gas tank. It’s stupid.

    Also, idea that a trip to the emergency room will bankrupt you is also false…unless you are gullible enough to pay what is billed. You can negotiate the bill down to 10 cents on the dollar, maybe even better. That’s what the collection agency does when they pursue you.

  242. Chicago says:

    I caught that just now. I was about to kick the sh!t out of you.

    ExEssex says:
    October 6, 2020 at 7:59 pm
    Oooops sorry That earlier link…gary cherone….woooosh

    Try this one: https://youtu.be/VQgHvOvujNE

  243. Libturd says:

    Radio silence on Chris Christie.

  244. Libturd says:

    I guess dying from Covid doesn’t fit the narrative?

  245. SomeOne says:

    BRT,
    Also, idea that a trip to the emergency room will bankrupt you is also false…unless you are gullible enough to pay what is billed. You can negotiate the bill down to 10 cents on the dollar, maybe even better.

    The bills for some procedures can be very high. Even 5% of cost can be too much for a family with not much of spare cash.

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