Hurricane Irene Open Discussion

From the Record: Hurricane warning issued for NJ; Irene weakens slightly to Category 2

From the Star Ledger: N.J. braces for Hurricane Irene’s wrath as officials warn of high winds, heavy flooding and possible power outages

From the APP: Shore’s long run of missing direct hits could end this time

From the Star Ledger: Hurricane Irene could be ‘most devastating storm to ever hit’ N.J., climatologist says

From NPR: ‘Nightmare’ Scenario: Hurricane Menaces East Coast

From the Philly Inquirer: As N.J. shore braces for Irene, some wrestle urge to ride it out

From Bloomberg: New York Buildings Face Storm Damage as Property Managers Plan for Irene

From the NY Times: Alert Extends Up the East Coast as Hurricane Irene Closes In

From the ABC: NJ shore visitors flee Irene amid major evacuation

From CNN: Hurricane Irene weakens, stalks U.S. coast

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335 Responses to Hurricane Irene Open Discussion

  1. Mike says:

    Good Morning New Jersey And Happy Friday!

  2. Mike says:

    A good time to check for those pin hole leaks the earthquake put in the foundations

  3. funnelcloud says:

    Good morning everybody! Happy Friday, Everyone ready for Irene, Lawns cut , generators in place, Anybody have any happy news in the blogo-sphere

  4. Orion says:

    Dear Leader rocked us with a 5.8 few days ago.
    Dear Leader to cause havoc in East Coast.
    Uncle Ben will disappoint with no more stimulating stimulus.
    Benefits of home ownership: I lost 9 lbs in last three weeks. Grueling.
    I was boarding up windows/doors yesterday at beach house in Asbury (wearing tool belt n’ all).
    Good luck to everyone and be safe.

  5. Orion says:

    Super duper video of Irene’s inception to today:

  6. Orion says:

    Irene is currently at 77 longitude
    Atlantic City is 74 longitude

    Pretty darn close

  7. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    This is the most overhyped storm ever. The media needs to quit acting like Katrina’s coming.

  8. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Btw this will give me a chance to read my tourbooks for my two week trip to Vietnam in October. I’ll let you know if it is a place worth moving to from this sinking ship.

  9. NJ Toast says:

    One man’s nightmare is another man’s dream.

    Somewhere out there, someone is delinquent on their mortgage, and Irene is going to destroy their home and the insurance company is going to hand them a check.

    What’s good is bad, and what’s bad is good.

  10. grim says:

    One man’s nightmare is another man’s dream.

    Friends down on LBI tell me the best time to buy is after a hurricane. I think they bought in ’45. They say that if it survived ’44, ain’t nothing to worry about.

  11. Comrade Nom Deplume says:


    Agree its hyped, but I still think we get smacked around pretty well. Been through enough of these to be concerned.

  12. NJ Toast says:

    11 – Grim, sometime past performance is a good proxy for future performance.

    Houses, trees and life: if you are flexible during the strong winds and bend, you can survive, if you are not, you break.

    Time to play “Riding the storm out” from REO Speedwagon.

  13. NJCoast says:

    Glad we sold our oceanfront house in ’05. At less than a mile from the beach and next to a lake, we’re expecting water intrusion in the basement- at the very least. There are about 30 trees over 75 feet on our property. Should be fun.

  14. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Damn. So much for a retracement in shiny. Coulda timed that pullback with an eggtimer. BTFD Indeed.

  15. Shore Guy says:

    Irene blows.

  16. Shore Guy says:

    I bet the safest place in the Tri-State Region is inside Xanadu. It is such a complete and utter waste that we would never be so lucky as to have it destroyed my Mother Nature.

  17. Neanderthal Economist says:

    I updated the Housing Affordability analysis to includes Property taxes…

    interesting to note:
    On the typical $400k NJ home, a homeowner will pay $1M over 30 years, broken up into the following amounts:
    Homeowners Insurance: $36,000
    Maintenance: $40,000 (assuming $1,200 per year)
    Interest: $255,000 (4.6% 30 year fixed)
    Principal: $320,000 (20% downpayment)
    Property Taxes: $390,000 (assumes $10k annual, growing at 2% per annum)

  18. nj escapee says:

    Shore check this out:

    Guitar Frets: Environmental Enforcement Leaves Musicians in Fear
    Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson’s chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company’s manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. “The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier,” he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.

    It isn’t the first time that agents of the Fish and Wildlife Service have come knocking at the storied maker of such iconic instruments as the Les Paul electric guitar, the J-160E acoustic-electric John Lennon played, and essential jazz-boxes such as Charlie Christian’s ES-150. In 2009 the Feds seized several guitars and pallets of wood from a Gibson factory, and both sides have been wrangling over the goods in a case with the delightful name “United States of America v. Ebony Wood in Various Forms.”

    The question in the first raid seemed to be whether Gibson had been buying illegally harvested hardwoods from protected forests, such as the Madagascar ebony that makes for such lovely fretboards. And if Gibson did knowingly import illegally harvested ebony from Madagascar, that wouldn’t be a negligible offense. Peter Lowry, ebony and rosewood expert at the Missouri Botanical Garden, calls the Madagascar wood trade the “equivalent of Africa’s blood diamonds.” But with the new raid, the government seems to be questioning whether some wood sourced from India met every regulatory jot and tittle.

    It isn’t just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

    If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecution.

    John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says “there’s a lot of anxiety, and it’s well justified.” Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, “I don’t go out of the country with a wooden guitar.”

    The tangled intersection of international laws is enforced through a thicket of paperwork. Recent revisions to 1900’s Lacey Act require that anyone crossing the U.S. border declare every bit of flora or fauna being brought into the country. One is under “strict liability” to fill out the paperwork—and without any mistakes.

    It’s not enough to know that the body of your old guitar is made of spruce and maple: What’s the bridge made of? If it’s ebony, do you have the paperwork to show when and where that wood was harvested and when and where it was made into a bridge? Is the nut holding the strings at the guitar’s headstock bone, or could it be ivory? “Even if you have no knowledge—despite Herculean efforts to obtain it—that some piece of your guitar, no matter how small, was obtained illegally, you lose your guitar forever,” Prof. Thomas has written. “Oh, and you’ll be fined $250 for that false (or missing) information in your Lacey Act Import Declaration.”

    Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny.

    There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn’t have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

    Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation.

    Given the risks, why don’t musicians just settle for the safety of carbon fiber? Some do—when concert pianist Jeffrey Sharkey moved to England two decades ago, he had Steinway replace the ivories on his piano with plastic.

    Still, musicians cling to the old materials. Last year, Dick Boak, director of artist relations for C.F. Martin & Co., complained to Mother Nature News about the difficulty of getting elite guitarists to switch to instruments made from sustainable materials. “Surprisingly, musicians, who represent some of the most savvy, ecologically minded people around, are resistant to anything about changing the tone of their guitars,” he said.

    You could mark that up to hypocrisy—artsy do-gooders only too eager to tell others what kind of light bulbs they have to buy won’t make sacrifices when it comes to their own passions. Then again, maybe it isn’t hypocrisy to recognize that art makes claims significant enough to compete with environmentalists’ agendas.

    —Write to me at

  19. Mike says:

    10 & 11 opportunity awaits like a rat in the drain

  20. Confused in NJ says:

    Let’s hope it doesn’t do to us what Andrew did to Florida. The Plastic & frame houses up here aren’t as strong as the cinder/cement block & masonary houses down there.

  21. gary says:

    grim [11],

    It’s always a good time to buy. Get it straight! ;)

  22. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    It isn’t the hurricane that I would be worried about it is the storm surge in conjunction with the new moon. It is coordinating to hit at a really bad time for the city as the leading and trailing edges will be in conjunction with high tides in Weehawkin and Hells gate. Lower Manhattan, Staten Island Long Island and the Jersey shore are for all intents and purposes f*cked

  23. yo'me says:

    REO Speedwagon Ridin the Storm Out (accoustic)

  24. yo'me says:

    #18 Veets

    Don’t you have to deduct cost of rent to figure the real cost of homeownership?Unless same person is moving back in with parents,there will be no rental cost

  25. scribe says:


    Why are you going to Vietnam?

    That should be an interesting trip.

  26. BC Bob says:

    “Cause down the shore everything’s all right
    You and your baby on a saturday night
    You know all my dreams come true
    When i’m walking down the street with you”

  27. NJGator says:

    Shore (17) – Still laughing.

  28. Shore Guy says:


    Thanks for the post.

  29. Shore Guy says:


    It is a good song in concert. Er, or at least it was 30 years ago when I saw them.

  30. Shore Guy says:


    You do not know the words? C’mon, you should know better:

    “Cause down the shore everything’s all right
    You’re getting flooded on a saturday night
    You know all my dreams come true
    When I’m floating down the street with you”

  31. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:


    Re-education:) Buddy of mine has been over there teaching English and his stint is up in middle of October. They instituted some new policy where I work where you can’t carry over vacation days so I had a bunch to use. Plus I had a $500 voucher for Continental for getting bumped on a flight to see my family in Ohio last year. So flight cost me $750 total with insurance etc.

    Actually supposed to be a beautiful country and dirt cheap. Fly into Saigon and meet my bud. Hang out there for a day or so then fly up to Hanoi. Spend a day there and then hit Halong Bay for a day or two. Take train to Danang and hit the beaches. Stop in Hoi An and get a whole new wardrobe of custom tailored clothes. Top end stores there you can get fitted shirts for $15 and suits for around $100. I plan on coming back macked out. That’s the plan, but with my luck I end up in the fetal position for a week suffering from freight train diarrhea.

  32. scribe says:


    Sounds like an interesting trip. I like traveling to off locations where most people wouldn’t go.

    I went to Cuba in ’86 with a group of writers. Great trip – real eye opener.

  33. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:

    Vietnam’s actually supposed to be doing well economically; like a mini-China. Not looking forward to 19.5 hours of air travel but what can you do.

    Certainly wouldn’t be doing the entire thing solo.

  34. Neanderthal Economist says:

    “Don’t you have to deduct cost of rent to figure th real cost of homeownership?”
    Yo’me, I guess subtracting the avg monthly rental expense would give you a homeownership premium. Its not a bad idea.

  35. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:

    The beards speech – no QE3 announcement:


  36. NJGator says:

    Folks, Jim Cantore’s in town. Never a good sign.

  37. Shore Guy says:


    On Saturday, if he is standing on the beach in Glen Ridge THEN you know you are in trouble.

  38. nj escapee says:

    Cantore is a faker. He was up in Key Largo a couple years ago with one of his co-stars exaggerating the hell out of every little breeze and drop of rain. A puddle in front of them turned into some huge flood. Too funny.

  39. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    HEHE you have gurfriend vietnam?

    Gator yep that is going to be a problem

  40. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:

    Nope but I am certain I will be offered an entire harem.

  41. NJGator says:

    Shore (38) – Hopefully he is not at a brand new riverbank in our backyard. Next door neighbor (the one who nagged Stu to get a generator) said our yards were rivers during Floyd. Here’s hoping we have enough gas to keep the sump pump running when we inevitably lose power. Apparently the power grid for our neighborhood is rated amongst the worst in all of Essex and Passaic County.

    PSE&G started work on upgrading it within the last 2 weeks. But neighbors in Montclair cried foul over the trees, so work has stopped for now. Montclair and Glen Ridge are very charitably suggesting the high voltage lines be brought into the neighborhood through Bloomfield. I’m thinking that when the power goes, PSE&G will let us rot for a few days to teach the neighbors a lesson.

    It’s okay though. We went to Shop-Rite yesterday and have enough sugar cereal, granola bars, peanut butter, Gatorade, Capri Sun Pouches and good red wine to last through the duration.

  42. me@my.other.job says:

    anyone have any experience with sandbags for flood prevention?

    sl (ps- I *wish* I was kidding….)

  43. chicagofinance says:

    Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:
    August 26, 2011 at 10:38 am
    Nope but I am certain I will be offered an entire harem

  44. chicagofinance says:

    HEHEHE: do you have pure Alabama Blacksnake?

  45. gary says:

    Think of all the work the illegals will have repairing roofs (or rooves for towns inhabited by unicorns) from the Carolinas to Maine. Goodness knows the Amerikan unemployed fat f*cks would never get off their carbo loaded @sses to take advantage of an opportunity. This will work nicely with Oblammy’s stimulous plan part VI as unemployment won’t budge but spending will increase in the following quarter (or two) and will thus, be hyped to the moon by his cu1t followers ala MSNBC, etc.

  46. JCer says:

    With this storm, the fact the nhc thinks it will still be a tropical storm in quebec after traveling over ct and vt(land!) makes me think they are serious about this. Here it will be cat 1 or 2 but the storm surge coupled with the tide will flood out large low lying areas, especially in manhattan, people in suburbia(NJ(Not including eastern monmouth or ocean) not LI) have considerably less to worry about. What I find funny is that among the people I’ve talked to the city folks(NYC,Hoboken, Jersey City, and the Mold Coast) are not concerned at all but the people who live 40 miles from the coast are super freaked out about the storm. You’d think the people living in 100 year flood plains would be concerned about the storm surge and the high tide.

  47. Libtard at home (new refrigerator now fixed hopefully) says:


    I always include the fact we are not paying rent into the affordability equation of owning our home. It softens the blow!

  48. nj escapee says:

    JCer, Inland folks with memories that go back to ’99 are right to be freaked out. Raritan and Milstone rivers as well as D/R canals were brimming over due to TS Floyd. Roads were closed all over Somerset and Middlesex counties.

  49. chicagofinance says:

    Is hurricane clean-up considered shovel ready?

    gary says:
    August 26, 2011 at 11:16 am
    Think of all the work the illegals will have repairing roofs (or rooves for towns inhabited by unicorns) from the Carolinas to Maine. Goodness knows the Amerikan unemployed fat f*cks would never get off their carbo loaded @sses to take advantage of an opportunity. This will work nicely with Oblammy’s stimulous plan part VI as unemployment won’t budge but spending will increase in the following quarter (or two) and will thus, be hyped to the moon by his cu1t followers ala MSNBC, etc.

  50. Libtard at home (dry for now) says:

    I evacuated this morning. Twice (which is unusual for me).

  51. seif says:


    i used these guys when I was in Vietnam a few years back. set everything up stateside before I got there: set up my own boat for Halong Bay 3 day trip, slept on boat deck under stars (you can also do a group trip) and an over night trip to Lai Chau (feasted with local villagers, slept in thatched hut, smoked local herbs, etc.). your friend probably knows his way around by now but if you need help I recommend Footprints.

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  53. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:


    Thanks for the tip! I’ll check them out.

  54. gary says:

    chifi [50],

    According to this administration: Never let a serious crisis go to waste.

  55. BC Bob says:

    Headlines, on the same site.

    “Comex gold backs off a bit on no Bernanke reference to fresh stimulus”

    “Gold Prices Rally After Bernanke Hints at Stimulus”

  56. make money says:


    First Turks and Caicos and now long island…

  57. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    SL they need to be staggered like you would tile or hardwood floor should be three rows deep stacked about three to five foot high depending on flood. should also have some form of impemeable layer from the bottom of the stack up through and over the back of the bags. It is a butt load of work. Good luck

  58. still_looking says:

    Pain- thanks…

    Got no idea what we are really in for…. was thinking of sandbagging a barrier based on the last (and worst for us) severe conditions the sudden rainfall brought.

    I think we can manage low, steady rain spread out over 36hrs. I don’t think we can manage sudden onset of 6″ of immediate rain.

    Don’t think the new moon (increased tide) will affect us but the saturated ground may.

    A tree through the roof may be the last straw though. And getting sandbags looks challenging.


  59. Neanderthal Economist says:

    Reposting this analysis with a revised version, see page 6.

    I believe it shows why there are so many complaints about property taxes in New Jersey. In the late 1970s, the average NJ annual property tax bill represented 7% of the everage income, today it represents 12%.

  60. Barbara says:

    “The gubmint *DO* take a bite…”

  61. chicagofinance says:

    I think it also relates to the why, and not just the how much…..

    Neanderthal Economist says:
    August 26, 2011 at 1:19 pm
    I believe it shows why there are so many complaints about property taxes in New Jersey. In the late 1970s, the average NJ annual property tax bill represented 7% of the everage income, today it represents 12%.

  62. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    Neaderthal nice analysis

    SL- I would just say screw it and get to higher ground but I’m sure the hospital will have you working anyway. Get out of sommerset save yourselves

  63. Barbara says:

    Well the storage insurance does not cover flooding….on the upside there maybe a shopping spree in my near future. good times.

  64. NJGator says:

    Barbara (68) – Always look on the bright side of life :)

    Stu’s taken care of the house as best we can. We have enough juice pouches and fruit snacks to make Lil Gator happy, and I’ve made my run for last minute emergency storm supplies at Barnes and Noble. Nothing left to do but wait it out.

  65. A.West says:

    NE (63)
    Good stuff. This is why I say that in NJ, nobody owns, everyone just rents from their town. Not only are NJ taxpayers supporting their own local bloated govt/union power complex, they also have to pour gushers of cash into the massive wealth transfer apparatus and the human failure factories of Camden, Newark, Paterson, etc.
    This is the biggest ball and chain for NJ homeowners and their future home values, and why taxes in NJ are always relevant to NJ real estate discussions.

  66. chicagofinance says:

    Q: I have buyer protection on my AmEx. My wife was concerned buying meat to freeze yesterday. I thought that it would not be an issue…power failure, spoiled food, proof of purchase….collect..yes? Kind of moral hazard, but effective, no?

    Barbara says:
    August 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm
    Well the storage insurance does not cover flooding….on the upside there maybe a shopping spree in my near future. good times.

  67. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    Gator never thought of that thanks need to grab a couple of books

  68. NJGator says:

    And Pain – just be thankful you don’t live in the Siena…This place floods when it’s dry.

    When Hurricane Irene hits locally, who in Baristaville will be most vulnerable? Residents at Montclair’s water-plagued Siena are bracing themselves for “serious water intrusion” after receiving this note:
    Dear Resident:
    Jonathan Litt of Kohl Construction asked that I send this notification to the residents.
    In anticipation of the upcoming hurricane, Kohl Construction will have staff available in case of any serious water intrusion. Nick Cocozza of Kohl Construction will be the point person and will have assistance from Ken Bednarz of Pinnacle Communities along with some laborers and other staff.
    Kohl Construction has advised that they are ready and willing to assist the residents of the Siena. If you need this assistance, please reach out to the concierge on duty and they will then contact the point person, Nick Cocozza, on your behalf.

  69. Confused in NJ says: says:
    August 26, 2011 at 11:03 am
    anyone have any experience with sandbags for flood prevention

    My son-inlaw uses sandbags in front of his garage door to divert water, owing to the fact that his driveway pitches down to the house from the street. There is a drain in front of the garage which handles normal rain, but Irene would need the sandbag buffer. Lowes & Home Depot carry sand, but not the sand bags. They can be ordered online at Home Depot. Normally real sand bags are burlap or canvas.

  70. Dan says:

    here’s a decent storm site……….

  71. Neanderthal Economist says:

    “in NJ, nobody owns, everyone just rents from their town.”
    Good point, its interesting that 2/3 of a homeowners annual expenses go directly to the bank and municipality and its funny to think of buyers walking away from a deal over $2k while at the same time they’re totally fine with paying many hundreds of thousands (or millions) of dollars in interest and taxes.

  72. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    Gator you could pay me to:

    A Live in Monklair
    B Live in a Kohl/Toll brothers/Hovnanian built crapshack

    You get what you deserve I guess poor ba$tard$

  73. Simply Ravishing HEHEHE says:

    This thing won’t even be a hurricane by the time it reaches NYC.

  74. Neanderthal Economist says:

    “taxes in NJ are always relevant to NJ real state discussions.”
    Before I did this analysis I always said and thought that most are not buying a home, they’re buying a mortgage. But now I don’t think anyone buys a home or a mortgage, instead they’re buying property taxes. These numbers in this analysis are absolutely stunning to meme. I can’t even imagine what it would look like if I plugged in an $800k home with $18k in taxes.

  75. Barbara says:

    71. Chi Fi

    That was a good idea. This stuff is all vintage furniture. Valuable, but cash bought over many years of collecting. Collector’s insurance covers stuff in my home only. Brimfield beckons…

  76. Barbara says:

    BTW I rented this storage space to make moving a little saner and to keep my favorite stuff “safe” from the rush and fumbling of move out day. I thought it was a “wise move” to locate the space near our new house, which is close to two rivers, you know, to make things “easier.” And although I had to pay for a full month, I “just needed a few days” to get flooring issues in the house in order and then I would bring this stuff into the safety of our new home “right away,” but the small expense would all be “worth it.”

  77. Barbara says:

    800k home with 18k in prop taxes is a bargin in this state.

  78. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [80] barbara

    ” Brimfield beckons”

    To the extent you are leaving cash in the Bay State, I heartily approve.

  79. Barbara says:

    In case you didn’t read this in your youth. A classic.

  80. Barbara says:

    For me, Brimfield and Renningers in Adamstown PA are like heaven on earth.

  81. Shore Guy says:

    Lets look at some approximate averages — an average person in NJ is paying something like 12% property tax, 8% social security, about 9% state income tax, 25% fed tax. So, right off the bat, folks who are not in a high tax bracket are forking-over 59% of their income to various taxes. Add tolls, gasoline, auto insurance, electric, yadda, yadda, and is it any surprise that people do not have vast sums to save?

  82. Shore Guy says:

    If one is self employed, add another 8% and one is easily over 60% even if not in one of the higher tax brackets.

  83. Shore Guy says:

    “are forking-over 59%”

    are forking-over 50%

  84. Al Mossberg says:

    Anyone else follow the township Patch local news sites? They are great sources of news and I am finding them to be a great way to spew my disgust at local gov.


    1 in 3 people in Alabama are on food stamps. It is your duty to pay for their meals. All aboard the fat train folks! God forbid people should actually have to get off their fat _sses and work.

  85. Shore Guy says:

    Hurricane road kill:

  86. Fabius Maximus says:

    #88 Shore,

    Careful, say anymore and they’ll start thowing liberal slurs against you for pointing out that life in the real world is regressive!

  87. Fabius Maximus says:

    My mother in law just got a mandatory evacuation order from New York. She is heading to my place to open it up and ride out the storm. With my preparations she should be set until I get back.

  88. Fabius Maximus says:

    #171 Nom (previous thread),
    The view that this policy is subsidizing the tax authorities of other nations is complete BS. In the real world the companies will be minimizing their tax footprint in those other countries as well. Widget UK does not buy products and services directly from widget US. They buy at an inflated price from Widget NE who will pass through costs and profits to Widget KY. Widget KY buys product from Widget US at cost. While Widget UK will have to pay payroll tax and sales tax, this will be booked off against expenses and profit (if any) will be minimal. All profit will be held against Widget KY and will be deferred coming back to Widget US unless they really need it back home.
    I disagree with amnesty holidays and would rather see a 2% surcharge per year on cash held overseas. I understand why people would call for 5% of something, than 12% of nothing.
    So the question is, are you being selective with the argument or can you only play minor league ball in this area?

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  90. Jamil says:

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  91. Juice Box says:

    Don’t tell the Gov Christie but I am on the beach now and D’JA

  92. Fabius Maximus says:

    #97 Jamil,

    I was a bit worried about you there. I thought you had “done a Pret” and had lost your job and your H1B meant you had 2 weeks to get out of the country.

    I look forward to your 2012 predictions. Lets get down to business with NY 9th.

    Now we have have a twist here with unlike your last picjs we actually have a NY Dem with a Se x scandal. Are you going to double down here and say that this safe (D) seat will go (R) just like those safe upstate seats swung to the other side?

  93. NJCoast says:

    I just left our beach club. It will be open until noon tomorrow. They have bulldozed a 15 ft berm in front of the cabanas, but the ocean is already higher than I’ve seen it in many years. I fully expect them to be washed out to sea. Our beach is toast.

    Some homes on the beachfront have boarded up but most haven’t. Many summer people are going back to Brooklyn and just letting Irene do what it will to their homes.

    I’ll head to the local liquor store tomorrow to get ice for my marine cooler and some other provisions to ride out Irene.

    Good luck everybody.

  94. NjescaPee says:

    Cheers Coast!!

  95. Al Mossberg says:



    Dont make it too comfortable. She may never leave.

  96. Al Mossberg says:


    If your beach club is in Sea Bright than say good bye to it. That place needs to be converted into an inlet. Speaking of inlets and storm.

    Many down the shore are politically active in “Saving the Bay.” Nitrogen run off is the common enemy but if people are serious about solving the problem then we must have another inlet to turnover the water. As it stands now it can take upto 45 days to turn over the water in the bay.

    The Cranberry inlet use to exist across from the Toms River until the early 1800’s when a violent storm closed it. Perhaps this storm will reopen it? All you enviro and UN Agenda 21 tards need to get practical. The state needs to buy up a chunk of the beach huts in lavellete and open another inlet. This will solve the problem of nitrogen in the bay. So dont BS a bullsh_t artist. Lets just get it done.

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  99. morpheus says:

    storm check:
    propane, 4 days of water, case of beer, liter of bourbon, water filter to filter up to 13,000 gals, tons of bleach, lots of canned goods, olive oil and noodles,not in a FEMA 100 year flood zone: all check

    camp stove; batteries, battery powered laterns: check

    butane lighter fluid: check

    Bug out to mom and dad if apt floods: check

    ammo: check
    gun: check

    I guess I am ready. God willing.

  100. Juice Box says:

    Just checked the 100 year flood map. I will be high and dry as the ocean comes into
    Spring Lake.

    Most of Belmar goes under, Spring Lake South and Sea Girt and Manasquan are gonna get whacked as Wreck Pond reopens and the Manasquan River floods.

  101. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [95] ferb,

    “The view that this policy is subsidizing the tax authorities of other nations is complete BS.”

    Don’t recall making that argument. Can you quote me what I said about it?

    And as for conflating foreign tax credits (which is where I think you are going with this), with transfer pricing (which is to your example), is, to put it mildly, little league.
    Further, the example you cited was so egregious, it would not pass muster under the transfer pricing regulations. Can you point to an APA that endorses this? Otherwise, the existence of the possible doesn’t prove the existence of the real.

    Seriously, if you want to argue tax law and policy with me, I am happy to have that debate, but you have to find better sources than firedoglake and Mother Jones. Or, if your tax analysis is truly as high level as you believe it to be, cite some sources that agree with you that are recognized in the tax policy community. For example, I will not take Matt Taibbi’s word over that of Len Burman and David Gale, no matter how pretty Taibbi writes or how cutting his snark.

    Raise your game; this isn’t informative, it’s just annoying.

  102. Al Mossberg says:


    The old Manasquan inlet used to enter the sea at wreck pond. All it takes is the right storm. I dont think Manasquan inlet will close but I am looking forward to a new inlet.

  103. NJCoast says:

    Everybody north of Atlantic Ave in Long Branch just ordered to evacuate. That means Long Branch, Monmouth Beach and SeaBright must go. Allenhurst has voluntary evacuation. The town is 16 ft above the beach, one of the highest towns on the shore. Fingers crossed.

  104. Juice Box says:

    Al I know the history well there are also a few other places like the edge of Belmar where the all the white swans are. The may have to relocate those swans. I did see them put up a new sand berm there today, but I doubt it will hold out the Ocean long and Lake Cuomo and the Ocean may become one again.

  105. Fiddy Cents on the Dollar says:

    We just got the email from Middletown OEM — mandatory evac by Noon Saturday. I had a good stash of Malibu Coconut Rum and assorted Fruit Juices for a righteous Hurry-Cane Party, mon. Oh well…..put it in the cooler and head to MIL’s not far away.

    I’ll tell you what — if today was a Dress Rehearsal for the 2012 End of Days…..we are doomed !!!! Gas lines around the block (the very sight of which brought bad flashbacks to the 70’s), tussels in the food market over the last loaf of bread (which will go moldy and get fed to squirrels next week), road rage on the highways.

    Civilization IS coming to an end !!

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  107. WickedOrange says:

    I just downloaded a flashlight app for my phone so i should be all set. :-)

  108. Juice Box says:

    If you add up all the mandatory evac towns in the Tri State Area there have to be at least a million people told to bug out.

  109. Juice Box says:

    Was in line at Target today. Woman in front of me had purchased several gallons of bleach, and a ton of C size batteries along with 6 bottles of Pantene shampoo. I am not sure what the heck she is planning for.

  110. Al Mossberg says:


    No sh_t! They are evacuating Middletown?

  111. Al Mossberg says:


    I saw that flashlight App. Wasnt that impressed. Thought the light on the Iphone camera was brighter.

  112. Al Mossberg says:



    I guess we will see. Should be interesting though. Im on the Metedeconk. If Mantoloking falls then I get a nice new inlet.

  113. Al Mossberg says:


    Lol. Got to go out in style I guess. I charged up all my spare batteries. I could run the fridge and a light off my inverter for probably 3 days. I am betting on power outages but who knows. We could get lucky.

  114. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    (115) wicked pissah,

    The flashlight app is one of the few things I like about this HTC POS.

  115. Juice Box says:

    Got Juice?

    “Our state has never before experienced a storm of this magnitude,” said Ralph LaRossa, PSE&G president and COO. “PSE&G will have about 6,000 employees supporting the restoration effort, including 840 linemen and 540 tree contractors available to respond to outages once the hurricane pulls away. While our electric system has been recognized as the most reliable in the nation, we expect significant damage from the extraordinary wind and rain expected to pummel New Jersey this weekend.

    Full restoration could take between one and three weeks.”

  116. Juice Box says:

    “While our electric system has been recognized as the most reliable in the nation”

    All of those trees that have no been stressed in decades means power out for lots of people. I have an 800 watt inverter, should keep the fridge and tv just fine if needed. I will enjoy the offline time either way.

  117. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    (113) fiddy

    Damn. Knew I was missing something in my preparations. Not enough mixers and limes.

  118. Punch My Ticket says:

    Deep into Oaxacan margaritas and well clear of the mess. Best of luck, NJ.

  119. chicagofinance says:

    I saw a couple of minutes of the national CBS news and people sitting at D’JAIS were being interviewed…….

    Juice Box says:
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    Don’t tell the Gov Christie but I am on the beach now and D’JAIS IS OPEN!

  120. Shore Guy says:

    Downed powerlines in NC 12 hours before landfall. Also, beaches ovetopped in Atlantic Beach, all well before things get bad. Numerous tornados as well.

    Shades of tomorrow.

  121. xmonger says:

    118. Middletown evac is for limited areas.

    All areas located between Route 36 and the Raritan/Sandy Hook Bay from the Keansburg border to the Atlantic Highlands Border.

    The following streets South of Route 36: Texas Avenue, Briarcliff Avenue, Montana Avenue, from Illinois Avenue to Pews Creek.

    Hartshorne Road in Navesink including Washington Lane, Clay Court, Tan Vat Road, Grand Tour, Indian Terrace, Wigwam Road
    Good luck everyone. There will be carnage. Zombies and and angry mobs can be defended against. Water and trees…not so much.

  122. Fabius Maximus says:

    #109 Nom

    Your quote “Second, US taxes corporations on worldwide profits, which leads to unrepatriated earnings, etc. It also offers credits for taxes paid around the world, so in effect, the US subsidizes other nation’s tax authorities. ”

    I do find it funny when your reach for the intelectual indignation card and start throwing out assumsions about sources. I think you forgot MSNBC, its usually first on your list. But I’ll pander to your source request. Bloomberg did a nice dicection on Google getting caught with its skirts up that covers transfer pricing.

  123. Fabius Maximus says:

    #104 Jamil

    Have you been playing “Lady Boy and the Plunger” again.

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  125. Fabius Maximus says:

    #109 Nom redux

    IF you want to start a discussion on tax policy, I’m still waiting on a comment on Tax Prof for Jesus slipping off message.

  126. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Thx Fabius. I’ll take a look.

    BTW this things already downgraded to a Cat 1 and it hasn’t even hit shore. It will be a tropical storm by the time it gets here; lots of rain, some flooding – all hype.

  127. Orion says:

    Driving along Ocean Ave. in Belmar, Bradley, Avon, and OG I was amazed at that most multi-million dollar homes with walls of glass have not been boarded up. Hey, is $500 worth of boards too much to protect several thousand dollars worth of glass? The ones I purchased at HD were 4×8 and cost 8 bucks each. Go figure.

  128. Boy, are people gonna feel duped when this whole overhyped event turns out to be a 90-minute thunderstorm.

    Of course, going into a trance and watching Al Roker for 17 hours is a lot easier than listening to Bergabe say no QE3.

    It behooves us all to remember that QE only works when it’s a surprise. Expect it to come at the next point market .vix is surging and Bergabe senses “renewed chances of deflation”.

  129. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    BTW I am glad most people in NYC basically gave Bloomberg the bird over his mandatory evacuations.

  130. Juice Box says:

    Dosen’t look bad at all in the Outerbanks.

  131. Wildie says:

    Hitting NC @ 85MPH. Hitting further inland than projected earlier. Watch–won’t even be a hurricane in NJ–just like Floyd. Get ready for some big flooding inland, though–just like Floyd.

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  133. Shore Guy says:

    I am glad for people that Irene has broken down a fair bit and is likely to be a tropical storm by the time it hits NJ. That said, it is a mistake to think of the storm as “just a tropical storm.” Tropical storms are dangerous. There is a reason we name them and they get their own flag. From the outset, it has been my assessment that the main damage would be water driven, not wind driven. Of course, the surge from a TS is less than from a H;however, one can expect lots of flooding, rough surf, beach losses, etc. And, if the speed of the storm slows, and it lingers longer, the flooding could be worse than if it had been Cat I storm when it hit.

    If we dodge a bullet, let us be glad and not dismissive. Mother Nature has a way of dope slapping people who do not respect her power.

  134. gary says:

    I have D batteries for sale, packs of four… lots of ’em. I’m selling each pack for $50 or two packs for $90. I also have gallon jugs of water at $75 per jug. You’ll be thanking me afterwards as you huddle in a dark, damp room that once resembled a living room, eating pork and beans from a tin can for weeks after everything has been destroyed by this massive, destructive, apocalyptic once-in-a-lifetime force of nature. You think they’ll rebuild Manhattan the same way it used to be? Armageddon is a bitch!

  135. NJCoast says:

    It is crazy calm here at the shore. The air is heavy but still.

    Surf’s up!

  136. WickedOrange says:

    yeah been watching the cams here

  137. Shore Guy says:

    Good coverage from VA Beach:

    Storm overland now and about 6 hours from reentering water.

  138. Shore Guy says:

    87 MPH winds at Cape Hatteras plus 7″ of rain

  139. Juice Box says:

    Memory Lane on what a CAT 4 can do

  140. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [133] fabius

    Comment? Okay, how about that the prof simply posts tax news, whatever the source? CTJ is a progressive tax policy group and puts out their views. Caron puts them up so we have a single source to go to. There’s my comment.

    I gather from the “for Jesus” and “off message” stuff that you think them a bunch of Tea Party adherents. I find, however, knowing as many as I do, that they are overwhelmingly a liberal bunch. But even so, I would not try to read into Caron’s politics from what he links on his blog.

    I guess I don’t have your gift for divining political motives from every little action.

  141. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [130] facilus

    Jesus, you could have given me a better cite instead of making me travel halfway through the blog.

    Yes, I raised the subsidy argument. I claim no originality for it. And I am surprised you aren’t all over it yourself.

  142. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Said it before, say it again, Paul Caron is a super nice guy, and no agendas.

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  144. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [130] fabeus

    From your article:

    “After three years of negotiations, Google received approval from the IRS in 2006 for its transfer pricing arrangement, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.”

    Google has an APA. Now you may not like the law, but it’s clear no one is violating it.
    So suggesting that Google is ripping off the taxpayer is off base as there is no way your claim could ever be heard in a court of law.

    So what is your point?

  145. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Thing that worries me most about this storm is that it will go over us in the middle of the night. I think I am gonna have to stay up until the wee hours, or pull an all nighter here.

    At a minimum, I think I will tell the wife to sleep in a front room. No big trees near the front.

  146. Juice Box says:

    D’Jais is now closed and boarded up. However Bar A is open and packed. Party on folks.

  147. Juice Box says:

    Live wind speed monitoring a W Underground. Not quite a CAT 1 anymore. Outer bands still gusting to 90 mph.

  148. Juice Box says:

    Windspeeds in NC not to much blowing going on.

  149. Fiddy Cents on the Dollar says:

    Shore Guy —

    I wonder if this calamity is causing you to re-think your beach house plans ?

    I know it’s giving me pause. My wife and I are using this as Test Run for the Coastal Carolina plans we’ve had for a while now. We have a realtor down there who sends us listings and price changes. Will be of interest to see how the towns just inland and not in a FEMA A zone are reacting to this one. We shall see.

  150. schabadoo says:

    I do find it funny when your reach for the intelectual indignation card and start throwing out assumsions about sources

    I like that one too. It’s a nice marginalization tactic. Over the past week I think I’ve gotten MSNBC and thinkprogress, . This was great: and all those leftist blows where you hang out for “news”.

  151. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [159] boo

    Hey, your rules. I’m just following them.

  152. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [159] boo

    BTW, I meant blogs, not blows. Android doesn’t recognize blog. Go figure.

  153. Juice Box says:

    Buoy Data says this thing isn’t even blowing hard anymore.

  154. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [159] boo on the back nine

    And what did you shoot yesterday? I’m envious, haven’t played much at all. But I did start using a Callaway Big Bertha Warbird off the tee and have really improved my drives. Wish I started with that club last year.

  155. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [162] juice

    Good news. Hope it holds

  156. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    I love a good catfight

    And in a Hell Freezes Over moment, I find myself momentarily in agreement with the CTJ.

    Schab and Fab, don’t get your hopes up. I said momemtarily.

  157. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

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    (h/t to Phil Hodgen)

    FWIW, this is not a novel idea, nor is it a very deep thought.

    In fact, now that I think of it, doesn’t one of these countries of the rich already exist? I’ve been there, and they have more lux cars per capita than New Jersey (which leads the US, BTW). It’s Monaco!!!

  158. NJ Toast says:

    Juice, 162 – in the interest of cynicism, perhaps the equipment on the buoys was defective. Hopefully, that data is not derived from a government agency.

    In the meantime, Mr. Clapton can entertain us all with “Let It Rain”:

    Several gas stations in Philly ran out today. Hopefully, mother nature cuts us some slack. If she wants, she can lay the lumber on us like nothing else.

  159. schabadoo says:

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  160. sunit patel says:

    In a bind with lawyer for closing. Few issues if any one can help….

    1. Mortgage company is saying they won’t work with our lawyer as he doesn’t have E&O insurance. Is it common for closing lawyers to have E&O? common for mortgage companies to require?

    2. Our lawyer wants to charge us $1200 for closing. We understand his range is $900-1200. What sort of justification is fair to ask for? He doesn’t want to provide any and is insulted we’re questioning the fee!

    3. Lawyer wants fees for two prior non completed transactions (one last year, the other two years ago). One on a house that went to attorney review but found a leaking oil tank. Second was house where mold was found during inspection. Do lawyers typically charge for non completed transaction and if so how much of their typical ‘full’ amount?

    Any help/insights is much appreciated!

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  162. NJCoast says:

    3 hours before high tide and the ocean is almost to the seawall in Allenhurst. The winds are picking up a bit.

    The Beach Club Restaurant aka Mr. C’s is still open. It’s perched right over the beach with windows looking out over the ocean. Fun place to watch the storm until the windows blow in.

  163. schabadoo says:

    Just saw the Beachcomber in Seaside is still open.

  164. NJCoast says:

    Already had a tree take out an electric line down the block. Power out for 1/2 hour while they reconnected. Hope thats all for the night.

  165. reinvestor101 says:

    I resent the damn government telling me what the hell to do. Christie has no damn right to tell people to get the hell off the damn beach and if I want to ride the damn surf in the middle of the hurricane, that’s my right. If I want to make a damn offer on a house in the middle of the damn hurricane, that’s my right. The damn government has gotten way too damn big. People can figure out what the hell they need to do themselves without a stinking nanny state.

    I want the government so damn small that I can put it between my fingers and squash it like a damn bug. I don’t want to pay taxes for anything bigger than that.

  166. Juice Box says:

    Tornado warning down the shore just came across the TV. They used the emergency broadcast system to put it out over FIOS, haven’t seen them use that in a long time.

  167. Shore Guy says:


    No change in plans/desire here. We have always had parameters here that lessen the chance of loss and are only willing to go to a certain size/ price to reduce economic losses.

    At all times, I have a shell in my pocket, even when in a tux or suit.

  168. Shore Guy says:


    Too many people will discount Irene based on lower wind speeds. Those who do are fools. Even 5-7 hours of sustained 50 mph winds will cause serious damage. Add to that tornados spawned to the west of the eye and one has something to confront. The tornados in NC have been in rural areas, it seems; there are fewer of those in NJ.

  169. NjescaPee says:

    My meteorologist friend made the same assessment as Shore has. The prolonged 50 mph wind and saturated ground is a dangerous combo.

  170. Juice Box says:

    Shore – besides the excessive media hype about 100 mph winds and the Tsunami like storm surge heading to lower Manhattan and Hoboken with residents who did not evac left in a Katrina like situation I am expecting power to go down in Northern NJ since the trees there have not been stressed since Floyd. The single small Tornado reported did no damage the storm made landfall about 12 hours ago. I don’t think it will be producing 50 mph winds here for five hours straight. We are looking at much less Virgina is only getting 45 mph. The wind speed should drop quickly over the next 12 hours. Repeat NC was 60 mph sustained and Virgina is now 45 mph sustained. I see a pattern here you won’t find on CNN.

  171. Juice Box says:

    As far as the deaths 8 reported they are counting heart attacks and car accidents. I would think if you compared a normal day there would be allot more deaths, even the drug dealers are staying home. Staying home and sitting on the couch watching CNN saves lives!

  172. Juice Box says:

    Watching the commissioner of NYC Joe Bruno on CNN stating 90 mph winds, unless you are at the top of the Empire State there will be nothing even close to 90 mph winds.

  173. schabadoo says:

    I see a pattern here you won’t find on CNN.

    Due to this excessively hyped nothing storm, there’s already a million or so less people that don’t have that luxury.

  174. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Juice Box,

    The media and piliticians are disgusting. At this point they have so much invested in this thing being a hurricane that I doubt you see them even downgrade it to a tropical storm until it hits New England even though its been one since Virginia.

    You’d think the guys from the BLS took over NOAA.

  175. Juice Box says:

    re # 182 – schab – the moving wind gauge o CNN is pure horse hockey, there is NO data to support what they are showing.

  176. Juice Box says:

    CNN exposes itself and said the storm chaser aircraft from the Air force found a 95 mph wind at flight level. Joke is on you.

  177. schabadoo says:

    And there’s a million people already w/o power, and it hasn’t made the NE yet. Flooding, power outages, it looks like it’s going to be ugly. So what’s your issue: the wind speed?

  178. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    Look slike she is already a tropical storm had some dead branches come down from a couple of white birches. all is well in northern counties and I have beer. Shore and the rest of you beach bound folks good luck at high tide

  179. Libtard at home (haven't turned on the sump pump in the backyard yet) says:

    Rain starting to come down heavy in Glen Ridge again. Have a safe night friends.

  180. Prof. McDullard says:


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  181. RentL0rd says:

    169 patel –
    From your questions, it looks like you are not ready to buy a house.

  182. schabadoo says:

    Do lawyers typically charge for non completed transaction and if so how much of their typical ‘full’ amount?

    It sounds like they did work for you and you didn’t pay them. Why would their pay be predicated on closing?

  183. Punch My Ticket says:

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    You think there are advantages to that kind of citizenship? Enjoy traveling with a security retinue at all times. Otherwise, you are just painting a target on your back every time you go through immigration somewhere. First thing that happens when you show the Richistan passport is a cell phone call to José. Second thing is you end up in a hole while they phone home and ask for $25 million. Because that’s pocket change for everyone from Richistan.

  184. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [192] punch

    I cannot speak from personal experience, but for the Gateses, Buffets, and Carlos Slims of the world, I don’t think they go through the immigration line. Besides, what does it matter what passport you carry? If you’re a mark, you’re a mark.

  185. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [169] patel

    Okay, I’ll stir the pot before getting back to storm watch . . .

    “1. Mortgage company is saying they won’t work with our lawyer as he doesn’t have E&O insurance. Is it common for closing lawyers to have E&O? common for mortgage companies to require?”

    I’ve never heard this before. But I don’t do closings, so it could be standard and I wouldn’t know.

    “2. Our lawyer wants to charge us $1200 for closing. We understand his range is $900-1200. What sort of justification is fair to ask for? He doesn’t want to provide any and is insulted we’re questioning the fee!”

    IMHE, that is on the high end, and I doubt he will do that much to justify it.

    “3. Lawyer wants fees for two prior non completed transactions (one last year, the other two years ago). One on a house that went to attorney review but found a leaking oil tank. Second was house where mold was found during inspection. Do lawyers typically charge for non completed transaction and if so how much of their typical ‘full’ amount? ”

    No. I used one guy in Westfield and we killed the contract because we found vermiculite (and thanks to this board, we avoided a major headache then and later). He never billed me, and he knew I was expecting a bill. That said, I cannot speak for all attorneys, but they are providing a service, and if they want to bill for a closing that doesn’t happen, then they should show you where you agreed to pay it. Conversely, if the attorney spent any appreciable time on the non-closed transaction, the concept of quantum meruit has some application–the righteous person would pay something.

    My question to you is, in light of what you told me, why are you even still talking to this guy?

    Back to the barricades. Stay safe everyone.

  186. Shore Guy says:

    “We are looking at much less Virgina is only getting 45 mph. The wind speed should drop quickly over the next 12 hours.”

    The reason VA is getting the lower winds is the location of the eye relative to the coast of VA. The Cat 1 winds are, last I saw, a good 90 miles or more in radius from the eye wall. In a storm that is a good 600-700 miles wide, one will expect much of the affected area to have tropical-storm-level winds.

    I for one count it as a positive that there is less damage than there could have been. That said, one could not count on things being this “good,” although the 1,000,000+ without power, those whose homes are destroyed or severely compromised, and the many flooded will not likely count themselves as lucky.

  187. Al Mossberg says:

    90,000 without power in Atlantic County.

  188. says:

    Look at this live feed from Norfolk of the flooding and tell me this storm is “no big deal”:

  189. gary says:








  190. gary says:







  191. Juice Box says:

    Power is out in Spring Lake!

  192. nj escapee says:

    The aftermath should be interesting. After Hurricane Wilma, FEMA and Red Cross were here and distributed water, ice, food, emergency cash. Walked down up and down Duval Street 2 nights after the storm and believe me, it was like a ghost town.

  193. Al Mossberg says:

    Power out Rt 88

  194. Firestormik says:

    Robbinsville is down

  195. Libtard in Glen Ridge says:

    Sump pump in driveway is now on. Rain has to be coming down between .5 and .75″ per hour now. Still have power, but quite prepared to get the generator going at moments notice.

  196. Shore Guy says:

    “Power out Rt 88”

    Both sides are now the dark side of Rt. 88.

  197. nj escapee says:

    Looks like overhead power lines are supported by wooden poles in coastal NC which snap in half pretty easily in a hurricane. Ours are all reinforced concrete.

  198. My best hope for this hurricane is that it kills jamil.

  199. sunit (169)-

    Keep renting.

  200. shore (177)-

    Tornadoes in Middlesex tonight. Lots of concern further west.

    JC was largely quiet all day today. We even had spells of no rain.

  201. The wind is blowing too hard for me to properly smell the stench of death.

  202. Shore Guy says:

    Yup! Irene is no big deal:

    Anyone who thinks that a Cat 1 Huricane or a tropical storm is no big deal is delusional.

  203. gary says:

    The next hurricane should be named Snooki.

    Good night all, stay safe.

  204. nj escapee says:

    Meat, this could be a replay of ’99 TS Floyd. Watchout Manville and Boundbrook!

  205. escape (214)-

    Why worry about a hurricane when this is the real shit:

    A Race In Opposite Directions:

    “How scary is it? The best illustration comes from the $US Gold price. The “price” of longer-term US Treasury debt has risen by 14.75 percent since the beginning of July. Over the same period, the $US price of Gold has risen from $US 1482 to its August 19 spot future close of $US 1852. That’s a rise of $US 370 or 25 percent. Yet US Treasury debt and Gold are polar opposites in any sane evaluation of the financial system. Treasury debt is the foundation of the global monetary system. Gold is the pariah of the global monetary system and has been locked out of it in any official form for four decades.

    With all the comparisons to the events of 2008 which have been appearing in the mainstream financial media, this comparison has been all but totally overlooked. Cast your mind back to the carnage of late 2008. During that period, almost everything was sold off. While it is true that Gold did not fall nearly as far as did most of its fellow “commodities”, it is nonetheless a fact that in the two months between mid September and mid November 2008, Gold fell from about $US 920 to $US 700. That’s about 24 percent.

    There were two financial assets which boomed in late 2008. One was Treasury debt, the other was the US Dollar. While Gold and everything else was falling out of bed, the trade-weighted US Dollar index – the USDX – soared 21 percent from 73 to 88.2 between early August and late November 2008.

    Compare that to what is happening now. Treasuries are soaring but the US Dollar is, at best, flat. And Gold in terms of EVERY major paper currency has gone ballistic. This time, things do look different.”

  206. RentL0rd says:

    Got a small drip in the basement window from the cover.
    It looks something like this:
    basement window cover

    I did the best I could in the rain and the drip is smaller, but about 3 inches away from filling up and coming into the basement.

    I might have to step out again in the rain later on and scoop the water out from the outside. I have a small tube I could use to suck it out manually…

    Any other suggestions.

    At some point the outside window sill will fill up. I can’t make it water proof .. 100%

  207. Shore Guy says:

    10′ waves at Sandy Hook and the storm is still hours away from getting to NJ.

  208. Shore Guy says:

    RALEIGH, N.C. — Hurricane Irene triggered at least five deaths, swamped coastal families in waist-high water and left more than 500,000 homes without power — a bruising that will take North Carolina days, if not weeks, to recover from.

    The cyclone killed three people in cars, including a 15-year-old girl whose father’s vehicle collided with another under a blacked-out traffic light in Goldsboro. Four more children were ejected from that car and taken to Wayne County Memorial Hospital.

    Flood waters pushed onto the Outer Banks from the sounds, making parts of N.C. 12 impassable around Duck, Nags Head and Kitty Hawk, and prompting curfews for all but law enforcement.

    The storm led to 100 swift-water rescues in flooded Craven County and another 26 people in Pamlico County, including two pregnant women and a pair of infants. Water rose so high there that the National Guard couldn’t get through in pickup trucks, leaving some residents without aid until morning.

    All day Saturday, Irene buffeted the state with winds up to 85 mph.

    Heavy winds collapsed a mall roof in Wayne County and peeled another off the 911 center. In Beaufort County, crews pulled a man from water that rose to his middle after the walls of his mobile home collapsed.

    “We’ve taken a hard hit,” Jack Veit, assistant county manager, said late Saturday. “The level of winds we’ve had, we’ve had them all day, and we’re still in the midst. It’s just a mess.”

    Irene was downgraded to a Category 1 storm by the time it hit North Carolina — a smidgeon of the Category 3 that roared through the Bahamas with 115-mph winds. Still, Irene remained a force that roiled the ocean, sounds and coastal rivers.

    Gov. Bev Perdue cautioned residents to stay indoors. “We have had reports of folks who are beginning to venture out,” she said. “You endanger your safety and the safety of the first responders who might come and try to rescue you. … Stay safe.”

    Despite the mayhem, the storm turned many of the coast’s residents into gawking spectators.

    As the eye of Hurricane Irene neared the northern Outer Banks, Todd Riddick sat shirtless on his front porch with his 2-year-old son Christian between his legs.

    “We’re just sitting out here watching trees break,” he said.

    Not far away, Mike Scruggs, 22, stopped to take video of the Avalon Fishing Pier to send to friends. With his cellphone wrapped in a plastic bag, he held it up against the wind and used his other hand to shield his eyes.

    “I didn’t know the sand would be whipping like it is,” he said, his face sandblasted with a 5 o’clock shadow of grit.

    Johnny Reed, a local resident, tried to describe the feeling standing in the wind: “It’s like sitting in the back of a pickup truck looking over the top as you drive 55 mph.”

    “The Wright Brothers came here for the wind,” he continued. “They just didn’t want the water to come along with it.”

    Progress Energy reported 206,000 power outages statewide by Saturday night, down from a peak of 279,000 earlier in the day, with more than 12,500 in Wake County alone.

    The energy company had a crew of 1,000 workers at hand, but by Saturday night, the weather was still too poor for them to begin.

    Spokesman Scott Sutton predicted several days of blackouts for any of the heavy-hit areas.


    “No one is immune,” he said. “The coast is definitely the worst, but Goldsboro is badly hit, and Fayetteville is badly hit. It’s what happens when a well-timed gust finds an unfortunate tree.”

    A tornado struck in Tyrrell County near Columbia, destroying several houses, Emergency Management Director Wesley Hawkins said. Another twister was suspected in Beaufort County near Belhaven. Winds were too high to investigate the damage.

    In most inland counties, water kept rising as Irene passed into Virginia.

    Crews ferried more than 100 people to higher ground Saturday in Craven County, where 80 percent of residents had no electricity.

    Dozens of families were trapped in Pamlico County near Oriental as flood water pushed 2 feet higher than its crest during Hurricane Isabel in 2003. The National Guard was trying to free people using high-water vehicles, and swift-water rescue teams arrived from Goldsboro. Spotty communications and high wind hampered their efforts.

  209. Shore Guy says:

    Just a Cat 1? Pttth. Hardly worth considering; it is practiaclly a sun shower:

  210. Shore Guy says:

    NJC and Orion,

    How are things in your neck of the woods?

  211. nj escapee says:

    Shore, looks all too familiar. Our house was built to post-Hurricane Andrew standards, elevated, metal roof, all of the various anchors and impact resistant windows i.e., w/ 7/16″ laminated glass and yet we won’t stay for anything stronger than a TS/ Cat 1.

  212. chicagofinance says:

    Power still on in Colts Neck. However, we had 3 power downs…..if I understand correctly, each one represents some major transformer going under. I know that Point Pleasant and parts of Manalapan are dark, so maybe that is a partial answer.

    Just a breathtaking amount of water fell in the last 2 hours, but now we have hit a lull….I wish I could see outside….good luck everyone…

  213. WickedOrange says:

    and it begins

    Over 9 ft waves beging recorded by NDBC Station 44065 – Entrance to New York Harbor Approach (Ambrose Light).

  214. Shore Guy says:


    It sounds like a good time to be in Key West.

  215. Shore Guy says:


    High above the flooding waters….

  216. Shore Guy says:

    I heart a mall collapsed in NC. Xanadu laughs at Irene.

  217. Juice Box says:

    Still no power here in Spring Lake, my rental is holding up fine no water and no trees down on house or car. Power is still out but I am prepared. Let’s see how northern jersey fares.

  218. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    We have power still to go with an inch of water in our basement. Had everything up on skids, so no big deal. Have no clue about my multi, but heck, no better time than the present to become a slumlord.

  219. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Let me beat Mike.

    Good Morning New Jersey!

  220. grim says:

    Stu – Do you have a downward sloping driveway to a basement garage?

  221. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Nope. Us and our 2 neighbors west of us have the lowest lying homes on the block. Essentially, all the water runs the 1/4 mile down that are road is and it pools in our backyards. The water is actually coming up through little pinholes in the floor of the basement. Not much is coming from the cinder walls. Really, it’s not a big deal, yet. The sump pump in the pit is doing the best it can, but I need to use the second pump to keep the water from rising. My guess is that the pump in the pit is about 25 to 50% underpowered for this kind of event. Now my backyard, is complete insanity, but we knew it did this when we bought the home. I’ll move the pump to the backyard after the rain stops, but it will probably take a good 24 hours for the 4 outside pumps to clear all the backyard water out to the street. My neighbor is like the pump master general.

  222. JC says:

    Greetings from WT.

    Woke up, the A/C was still on and it felt like Christmas morning. I’m having actual hot coffee and I couldn’t be happier if the vacation fairy visited me during the night and left 2 tickets for a 10-day Mediterranean cruise.

    I don’t have the heart to go down to the basement yet, but I vacuumed everything last night so I won’t have construction debris and years of dustbunnies in the water…and everything is either in plastic bins or up off the floor. I did forget to put plastic under the furniture legs, but I guess I will do that later.

    If it gets no worse than this we should probably be OK. The mighty oaks are still mighty, let’s hope they stay that way.

    As for the trees not being tested since Floyd, well, we’ve had a few nor’easters that have tested them pretty well. If I hadn’t lost my giant blue spruce last March I’d be losing it now.

  223. Juice Box says:

    Still no power here, going to run the inverter now since the fridge has been down a while.

  224. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    The pumpmaster general next door just declared it high tide in his basement.

  225. When can we start talking about the collapse of Western civilization again?

  226. Shore Guy says:

    Not much of a view today from the Top of the Roc today:

  227. Shore Guy says:

    Anyone on LI? It sounds like Long Beach is getting hammered.

  228. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Water rising in basement 3″ now. Sump pumps can’t keep up. Ahh the joys of homeownership. Time to move what few things we have to higher ground. I think the house sewer is backed up too. Sump pumps just can’t keep up.

  229. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    Lib had water pouring in through the well entry last night, fell asleep and have water seeping in through the masonary chimney

  230. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    It gets better. We have a huge limb that has snapped off a tree and is now completely support by only on our main power line to the home. One big wind and we have a live wire in our foot deep basement.

  231. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Oops…foot deep yard. And the new tenants decided to go to sleep last night without checking on the float to the sump pump. So guess who has a basement flood x 2?

  232. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    of course they will want their stuff replaced. How dare they want to sleep! Stu just go to home depot and get the biggest sump you can

  233. yo'me says:

    I bought a surface pump at HD.It can begin to pump water at .5 inch and can pump water to 3/16 of an inch.I had to keep up with the pumping all night to avoid 12 inches of water in the basement.And the sump pumps were working hard too.

  234. Shore Guy says:

    Apparently 1/3 of the homes in CT are without power.

  235. Shore Guy says:

    Hey, John. You getting blown hard by Irene or is it not getting inland by you?

  236. Shore Guy says:

    Why let a major storm stand in the way of sticking-up a store?

  237. Not the worst time to rob a 7-11. Nice job.

  238. WTF is a 7-11 open at 1 AM in a hurricane?

  239. Please supply your own Indian joke here.

  240. chicagofinance says:

    Most of Colts Neck without power, as is a good chunk of Monmouth County.

    My neighborhood has buried power lines, so maybe that helped us.

  241. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    We somehow still have power. Which is nice as my son can watch bubbleguppies on NICK as I search for bubbleguppies in the basement driveway and garage.

  242. Mike says:

    Libtard 237 thanks for taking over I just hope I’m not being outsourced

  243. chicagofinance says:

    Latest report from Virginia Beach….

  244. Theo says:

    Power went down at new house in Hillsdale at 8am’
    , though think neighbors across the street lost power earlier. _Minor flooding in basement, used pump a few time before power went. Still no more than 1/2″, which is not bad considering the amount of rainfall. Estimate we had about 8 inches from 5am to 7:30 based on how quickly the pool filled up. Luckily any overflow seems to be directed to my next door neighbors yard.

  245. Juice Box says:

    Anyone know if power is back in hoboken?

  246. yo'me says:

    His plan, presented to the White House, would allow any homeowner current on a government-backed mortgage to refinance even if the home’s value was less than the current mortgage amount.
    As of June, more than 75% of GSE borrowers with a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage had an interest rate of 5% or more, Hubbard said in an interview with MarketWatch.

    He said the plan would help up to 37 million borrowers and help the economy by acting as a long-lasting tax cut that would add $70 billion per year to spending

  247. morpheus says:

    still have power.very minor water seepage. Wind speed projected to be, on average, 30-40 MPH. rather anti-climatic. Still have direct TV and internet. All is well.

  248. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Well, high tide in backyard is finally receding and basement water level seems to have peaked at 7 inches. Nothing damaged as far as I can tell. Will test water heater and furnace once water is pumped out as well as washer and dryer, which are in higher section of basement, but probably at 4 inches. Will probably build a platform for them going forward, or maybe mix some concrete. Neighbor is salivating over FEMA money. Unreal.

  249. NJCoast says:

    Well we made it through the night. We had two basement window wells that kept filling up so we threw the sump pump right in the wells.
    Lost electric at 7:40AM. Allenhurst, Deal, Loch Arbour, parts of Ocean Township east of rt 35 all without power. Wegman’s on rt 35 in Ocean is open! Lots of trees down in our neighborhood.

    Went to the beach at high tide this morning- AWESOME!! So far our cabana is still on the beach. The 15 ft berm that they put up on Friday is gone. Two end cabanas are on their way out. No damage to oceanfront homes here.

    The rain has stopped and the sun is trying to come out. Surfs up!

  250. Confused in NJ says:

    Weird issues from Irene. Had water dripping in basement from the blue shielded ethernet cable. Had to brave Irene to caulk it outside where it enters the house along with electric cable entering the house. I like the rope caulk that works like play dough, at least in the dark & rain as it’s quick. Wind driven rain here was 6.89″ at 9:24 A.M. Windy now.

  251. implosion08 says:

    North Shore of LI is fine, I hear South Shore is better than expected, flooding and power out in patches but nothing like what the Weather Channel hyped.

  252. Juice Box says:

    Drove up the Parkway, it’s flooded by the Westfield exit, Turnpike North Closed, Rt 78 closed was able o take route 3 back o the city. Nce sunny drive clouds are clearing now. Guess I will be in the office tomorrow after all.

  253. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:
  254. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:
  255. All Hype says:

    A tree in my back yard has been uprooted from the rain and is touching my Fios line as well as the power for my neighbors house. One stiff wind and I will be reading World War Z for the rest of the day.

  256. gary says:

    Sister-in-law, who lives in an apartment with hubby and no kids, calls and says storm was nothing. I told her to hold on, walked down the basement, put the sump pump on, put the phone next to the pump, held for 10 seconds and hung up.

  257. lib (271)-

    I wish someone would explain to me the idiocy of the gubmint insuring houses that are absolutely guaranteed to flood.

    If we have any sort of nationwide mandatory flood insurance program, it should be with massive premiums…and the policies should only be good for one claim per property until the end of time. Second flood event hits? No payout, bulldoze the house.

  258. I hear rumors there are drowned unicorns in the Hacky.

  259. Sicacleally says:

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  260. Paul Woolley:

    “The finance sector can — and is — growing until it overwhelms the economy. In good years the US finance industry cashes in on more than 40 percent of all corporate profits. In bad years they are saved by the taxpayers. The agents are doing a devilishly good job of developing innovative, complicated new products that people can’t understand. It gives them the opportunity to earn excess returns and attract the best talent. While they are acting rationally, the result is a catastrophe.”

  261. Shore Guy says:

    So, as I recall correctly, the folks in Bay Head (whose dunes just washed away, along, one would presume, much of their beach (and one is left to guess that the similarly-situated Mantoloking has suffered as well)) have been cool to allowing “outsiders” to access their beach — by preventing parking — will likely be asking the other residents of the state to pay for beach replenishment. One wonders how many will be willing to go along with this without extracting access concessions.

  262. Shore Guy says:

    People should not feel c0cky over the damage from this storm:

    This was just a Cat 1 and we are early in the season. We may not see another this year, or next, or the year after; however, a Cat 2 or 3 or 4 WILL find us sometime.

  263. Shore Guy says:

    “policies should only be good for one claim per property until the end of time. Second flood event hits? No payout, bulldoze the house.”

    They ended up doing this in the Midwest after Mississippi and Missouri flooding for the umpteenth time.

  264. Juice Box says:

    site for road closures and traffic cams in-case you are panning on hitting the road.

  265. relo says:


    True dat. We’re very fortunate, all due respect to those who are having problems, that the eye collapsed and didn’t linger.

  266. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Yup..The only thing that saved us was that the storm accelerated Northward as soon as it hit land. Basement water level peaked at about 9 inches. Now that lake in my backyard looks more like a pond, the water in the basement is dropping about as quickly as she filled up. About an inch per hour. On the bright side, the power stayed on and I had a really good cantaloupe for lunch. I am so very very tired.

  267. chicagofinance says:

    Echoing all due respect to anyone having to deal with issues.

    That said, HEHEHE freaking nailed this one on the money…….bottom line sustained 50 mph is nothing……the media knew damn well that we were going to get Cat 1 max at NYC/NJ and for this area, it is a pack of shite……I think what steams me the most, is true to Shore Guy’s prediction, once fooled, the NYC-area is going to reflexively ignore the warnings for his warned BIG ONE………

  268. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Power back on in the brig. Wife decided to check PSEG app for service restoration. They replied “service restored in your area.” That was news to us and the neighbors.
    So she tried to call, and eventually got the “hold for an operator”, followed by the dial tone. That’s when she knew she was in Jersey.

    Tons of rain water overnight. Sloped yard and it stil has standing water, even now. Hydrostatic pressure so bad, we got some seepage through the foundation. We are lucky though–everyone I talked t0 (except the landscaping contractor who has two sump pumps hooked to his generator} has a flooded basement. Even a neighbor with a generator got flooded (must have judging by the amount of water he was putting out, but my guess was that he was asleep when the power went, and didn’t discover he had no sump pump until morning). Very glad the winds were not bad inasmuch as I have some massive trees that I am real concerned about (and the landscaping contractor neighbor expressed amazement we didn’t lose one).

    Only real loss from the power outage was the ice cream. So the girls got an early treat today.

  269. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    OC-MD is open, and Delmarva reports few outages in the north end where we will be. So it looks like our vacation is on schedule.

    BC Bob—be sure to take my email so we can get that GTG together.

  270. NJGator says:

    Nom (292) – We still have a large tree that broke being propped up only by the main power line to the house. Below the power line is our backyard “lake” – tons of water. It’s been that way for hours and every squall of wind freaks me out more.

    Stu tried to call PSEG and couldn’t get through. He then called the GRPD who told him they would report it directly to the utility, but to not hold our breath about PSE&G responding. The officer did say that if the branch took the line down and put a live wire into all that standing water, that they might come out immediately.

    Very reassuring.

  271. NJGator says:

    294 – Meant to say it’s a large tree limb. Broke off one of the big trees in our yard. I mean lake.

  272. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    I am at corner of 1st & Harrison in Hoboken – the worst or near worst place for flooding in Hoboken. Building is still flooded in for the most part though there’s one exit where the water is only about a foot deep. Center of the intersection is the usual 3-4 ft deep and has yet to recede. I’d say the flooding was slightly worse than the 2007 tropical storm. Winds weren’t all that noticible. Was about to post this morning around 8 but the electricity went out. Next time I need to remember to make coffee before d*cking around on the internet. Green tea doesn’t feed my caffeine jones well enough. Power is back on – they actually turned it off to sections of Hoboken and JC as a precaution because a sub-station was flooded so even that wasn’t due to damage.

    I really do worry about a future storm. After all this hype it really is going to make people question what they are being told.

  273. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Now we get the glut of post storm press conferences with the bloviating politicians patting themselves and all the police and fire chiefs on the back. The silliness never ends.

  274. Outofstater says:

    Glad everyone is okay. Even though you didn’t have to use your emergency food, water, fuel and lighting, you’re all ready for the next time. You really never know when something is going to interrupt life as we know it and it’s good to be prepared.

  275. Libtard at home (moved sump pump from back yard into the basement) says:

    Here come the winds!

  276. cobbler says:

    meat [281]
    I think among the bunch of flood zones in the insurance program there are a couple where you can’t rebuild after claiming a loss.
    Probably, putting more zones there will help RE… (though I think many homes in these zones are the 2nd ones).

  277. Juice Box says:

    There are no crews to be seen on the roads today doing electrical repairs, did not see any in Monmouth county or my drive home this morning. I just came back from Bergen County wires are down all over the place. Not one PSE&G truck in sight. I gather their contract says they cannot go out when there is wind.

    My mom refused to leave her house as usual even though the power could be out for a week. She even refused to give me her perishable food. If I did not have my trusty 800 watt inverter to run the shop vac I would still be there in the basement mopping and bailing in the dark. There are going to be allot of POed people if they don’t get the power back on soon, the proletariat won’t stand to have to go on a diet once all of their food stocked up for the Hurricane spoils.

  278. NJGator says:

    PSE&G is telling folks without power in Montclair that they can expect power to be restored by September 4.

  279. Most of the people near me are too drunk to properly tend to their houses.

  280. Firestormik says:

    We didn’t loose power nor got water in the basement here in Edison. Friends in Metuchen are not that lucky. Had to lend them my 1500 watt inverter so they can pump 2 inches of water out of their basement. ETA to restore power Sep 4

  281. Shore Guy says:

    Good luck to everyone who is dealing with storm damage.

  282. Prof. McDullard says:


    Sorry to hear your troubles. We had minor inconveniences only (cablevision down for over 24 hours — that happens even under best weather anyway). Small tree limbs in backyard, though the angle they were implanted in the ground indicated the ferocity of the wind.

    Travel outside has been weird — I am like a rat in a maze. Thank God, I know this area well enough.

    You will come out of it stronger — at least in terms of number of sump pumps you have in the house.

  283. All Hype says:

    My 3 neighbors across the street have 20, 30 and 30 inches of water in their basements. They keep pumping but the water keeps coming back in. All of their backyards are one big pond. They have a real mess on their hands for the foreseeable future.

  284. relo says:

    His persistence and bravery is second only to the Honey Badger.

  285. NJGator says:

    AH (309) – I saw pics from R&D. Crazy. And the MFD has said they won’t help pump out your basement unless you have at least 4 ft of water. They won’t even put you on a list if you have less. Nice.

    We are down to one working pump, but more than half our water is gone. And there are little patches of grass to be seen in the muddy lake that is our yard.

    The tree limb and wires still look a bit menacing though. Still have power though.

  286. I’d rate Booker way above Bloomberg, who just tried to scare the shit out of everybody and trick them into spending money.

  287. Comrade Nom Deplume says:


    294 in mod. It’s so JJ.

  288. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    (278) juice

    If I weren’t leaving tomorrow, I’d be rowing on Lake Kenilworth, formerly known as Boulevard.

  289. Painhrtz - Salmon of Doubt says:

    dumped tha last of the water from the well adventure, had a salamander in my bucket let the little guy go. broken limbs from trees are sticking in the ground like vietcong tiger traps I’ll clean it tomorrow after work. f*ck it night all

  290. NJGator says:

    Basement is dry!

  291. Dan says:

    Had to build a mini-trench at 2 am to divert water from house yesterday from big puddles getting ready to enter house. Back hurts, front yard is ripped up but house is free from water. If the rain continued at same pace as it was between 11pm and 3 am for another five hours, I wouldn’t have been able to control flow.

  292. chicagofinance says:

    Honestly, I think that the Northern Jersey Shore away from the ocean caught a bit of a break….the storm seemed to blow apart as it approached NYC, and all the water just went Northwest and never circulated back…..LI got all the wind…..we were done here at about 9AM….just a little wind tossed in between 2-5PM….

    FYI – NJT is still offline tomorrow?!!??

  293. NJGator says:

    Chifi 319- yes. No trains except AC Line.

  294. Linda says:

    When the power went out at 5 am husband and i got up, went down to basement and started hand bailing 3 full sump pumps. We did that till power was restored at noon and we have a dry basement now…nothing flooded out of those sump pumps cuz we bailed water. A few more hours of rain would of completely overwhelmed us, this I know. Most neighbors much worse.

  295. schabadoo says:

    After all this hype it really is going to make people question what they are being told.

    1/3 of CT lost power. The town of Morristown and a bunch of others will be w/o power for days. Should the new not warn people of a potential crisis? I can’t imagine post-Katrina that anyone is going to under-sell something like this.

  296. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Final report from the North side ‘brig: Finally drove east and found that all of the area south of Wychwood is out. Only Kimball, tony street that it is, did not lose power. I could see it and it irked me. We got connected about an hour after the wife got blown off by PSEG, 14 hours in the proverbial dark.

    But the folks east of Kimball, and a lot on the other side of East Broad, are still in the dark. Gutters in my neighborhood still flowing strong from the sump pumps. FD will pump you out but you gotta get on the list–did not know in time and good thing I did not need it.

    Like Dan, I did a diversion away from a suspect corner where the masonry needs repair. Had no sandbags, but did have boxes of papers that are bound for the next shredder event. They were already waterlogged, so I re-bagged them and used them instead of sandbags. Worked great.

  297. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [324] boo

    Same thing happened after the Blizzard of 78 in Boston. For years after that, every little flurry was treated like the second coming of Snowmageddon.

  298. chicagofinance says:

    Respite a la nompound…..

    SALA, Sweden—London’s Savoy Hotel is synonymous with swankiness. The Ritz in Paris gave its name to luxury. Now, Sweden’s Sala Silvergruva is taking sterling service to a new level for guests who want to stay someplace less ordinary.

    The establishment’s mine suite is a high-style bedroom more than 50 stories underground, in a 600-year-old silver mine dug through solid marble. Guests, whose only link to the surface is a four-minute elevator ride and a special radio, can lounge in silver-colored leather chairs and sip champagne beside a silver candelabra.

    The vaulted chamber is ideal for busy couples who want to escape life’s distractions, says spokeswoman Sofie Andersson. “I don’t recommend sleeping there alone,” she adds. “It gets kind of spooky.”

    Sala Silvergruva is one of several oddball lodgings creating a new niche in European hospitality. Others include a dock crane, former prisons, grounded airplanes and oil-rig escape pods. Some accommodations are cheap, others pricey. The common thread is putting old structures to very new use.

    The Malmaison Oxford Hotel, in England, mixes history and recycling. “It’s difficult to think of a better use for an old prison,” says Malmaison operations director Mike Warren. The stone compound, part of which dates to 1071, jailed residents until 1996. It became a boutique hotel in 2005.

    Turning relics into fine lodgings isn’t new—the Ritz occupies renovated townhouses. But Europe’s new wave displays whimsy more expected of American kitsch meccas like the Madonna Inn in San Luis Obispo, Calif., where rooms are decorated in themes such as jungle and caveman. At Sala, guests also can sleep in wooden dormitories built for miners a century ago, for only about $60 per person. The mine suite costs about $600 per couple, including dinner and a subterranean tour.

    Tourists seem eager to sleep in obscure corners of history. Stockholm’s Långholmen Hotel was fully booked on a recent evening, even though many rooms are “very tiny” and have bunk beds, said Louisa Benk, a student from Stuttgart on vacation with her family.

    “The gray walls still give the impression it was a prison, but I think they’ve made it nicer than it was,” she said, standing outside her wooden cell door. The jail, which carried out Sweden’s last execution in 1910 and closed in 1975, opened for guests in 2008. Detailing includes mirrors that look like guillotines and gray sheets striped like prison garb.

    Unusual challenges can arise turning oddments into hotel rooms. One problem: connecting plumbing and electricity to the cab of a 44-year-old harbor crane that can still be made to rotate. “A lot of things had to be invented,” says Carla Comello, who with her husband manages the one-room inn in Harlingen, Netherlands.

    The crane, which stands 56 feet up on four legs, originally hoisted cargo. It now has a double bed and bathroom with a toilet and shower. Large windows command panoramic views. Guests preferring a different vista simply push a joystick to turn the 143,000-pound steel room.

    “They want to go round and round all day,” says Ms. Comello, but the motor stops automatically for half an hour after 20 minutes, to avoid overheating. Between spins, guests can relax on the rooftop patio. Day rates range from $570 to $857, during holidays.

    Dutch “garbage architect” Denis Oudendijk, who specializes in reusing building materials, was shopping for a boat when he found four oil-rig escape pods for sale. He snapped up the orange capsules, which resemble flying saucers, and opened them for lodging in 2003, moored at the Hague.The units were built to seat 28 oil workers abandoning a doomed platform. Mr. Oudendijk put a big hammock in each for sleeping. Recently, he snazzed up one pod with a bed, silk sheets and a disco ball.

    “The only problem is that if you’re in the water, you roll out of bed. So you need the hammock,” says Mr. Oudendijk. “Half our guests say it’s their best sleeping experience ever and half say it’s their worst. “He charges about $86 for a night in the pods. Bathrooms are outside.

    Swedish hotelier Oscar Diös simply gutted and rebuilt the inside of a Boeing 747 when he turned it into accommodations at Stockholm’s Arlanda Airport in 2009. The jumbo jet once flew for Pan Am but was grounded in 2002. Now it has 27 rooms, most with bunk beds and cabinets made from original luggage bins. As in the air, guests share lavatories along the corridor, but they now have showers and porcelain toilets.

    Suites in the plane’s nose and tail offer double beds and bathrooms. The most popular, Mr. Diös says, is the c-ckpit, which retains some original equipment. Guests have curtains to close. Prices range from about $60 for a bunk bed to $500 for the c-ckpit suite.

    Even more luxurious is a Soviet-built Ilyushin 18 from 1960 that once belonged to East German’s government. For $500, one couple can sleep in the remodeled propeller plane, now parked an hour from Amsterdam.

    At Sala, opening the mine suite required warming the space above the tunnel’s year-round temperature of 36 degrees Fahrenheit. Thanks to a new partition and electric heaters, the suite remains at 64 degrees. The bed has a down cover and extra blankets.

    Showers are above ground, but there’s an unheated portable toilet outside the suite for urgent use. Visitors are advised not to wander down the labyrinthine tunnels or swim in the frigid underground lakes.

    Sometimes history presents hoteliers with new opportunities. The mine suite started with only basic furniture when it opened in 2007, but last year managers installed the baroque silver furniture, to evoke Sala’s glory days.

    Says Mr. Andersson: “We wanted to bring the silver back to the mine.”

  299. still_looking says:

    off to work, but…

    Wow~ stu/gator – sorry to hear about the basement.
    Heck, sorry to hear about everyone who has a basement!

    We are (thankfully) dry. We plastic sheeted and sandbagged around the front and river-side of the house. Hubby nailed wood strips to secure the plastic.

    I guess my inability to choose rugs, furniture etc came in handy. When the neighbor down the road came to tell me he was already putting his furniture etc on cinders/planks and taught us how to sandbag our toilets/drains. (no, not kidding…)

    He reminded us we are below the usual sewer line. Last flood he had backwash coming up his toilets. We had sandbags ready for that.

    Water came through the fence and broached the river-side. We sealed around the HVAC unit on that side and sandbagged to an extra two foot height.

    Two large swamp maples (not from our yard) with 2.5 ft diameter trunks fell *away* from the house and onto our neighbors yard to the side of us. We lost a few branches only.

    It’s been wild but have found neighbors that are just wonderful. They have shown us kindness and concern – all of them.

    We hope everyone else keeps safe, dry and healthy.


  300. still_looking says:

    Also, when hubby called town police to tell them that the river was starting to go down, they called back about twenty minutes later to tell us a dam in Mahwah had broken.

    Water started coming back up the drive to the front door but never exceeded the initial highmark of 3 feet from our front door sandbag barricade.

    When I had four pallets of sand bags delivered, I also got 200 empty bags at the same time.

    I was scared shit less. We have almost no rugs (thankfully) and we put what furniture we had on benches, in plastic containers, and brought in all the outside furniture etc.


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  302. JC says:

    Would someone please tell me why PSEG put a power substation on Patterson St. in Hillsdale — right smack in the middle of a flood area? WT is not expected to have power back till next Sunday.

    And while you’re pondering this, laugh your @ss off at the idiocracy on Pascack Road:

    Even I know that you do not run a generator INDOORS. Heck, I’ve been afraid to even have one NOT running in my garage (though that’s changed after this storm).

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