Ask … and ye shall receive?

From HousingWire:

October home prices rise 2.9% as rents soar above 5%

Home prices rose 2.9% over last year in October, but had nothing on the rental market which saw rates rise 5.1% from 2011 levels, Trulia said Monday.

The numbers show a national real estate market that is experiencing gradual price appreciation. Yet, the impact of potential buyers unable to obtain mortgages is exemplified by climbing rental rents, especially in markets like Houston and Miami, where rents rose 16.5% and 10%, respectively.

The online real estate site released this data from its Trulia Price Monitor and Trulia Rent Monitor for the month of October.

Prices from September to October edged up 0.7%, according to real estate listing data within Trulia’s website.

When removing distressed assets from the equation, home listing prices grew 3.6% from October 2011 to last month.

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239 Responses to Ask … and ye shall receive?

  1. Grim says:

    NY Metro asking rents up 6.1%

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    I still see prices drifiting lower over the next few years. We have mortgage rates at nill with no inventory and yet, the prices are stagnating. Any increase in rates and/or inventory is going to put downward pressure on houses. Especially if the muppets give the big-eared f.uck another four years because part-time Radio Shack jobs will be lauded as economic growth.

  3. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m talking about prices specifically in northern NJ

  4. 3B Buying says:

    Believe it or not, we were going to put a bid in on the house below and it is gone! Don’t know why it is still on the mls, but it is under contract, and I would think should be out of attorney review now.

  5. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [2]gary – There will never be any increase in inventory. All boomers will live to 105 and choose to pay exorbitant property taxes for decades and decades into their retirement age in place.

    I still see prices drifiting lower over the next few years. We have mortgage rates at nill with no inventory and yet, the prices are stagnating. Any increase in rates and/or inventory is going to put downward pressure on houses.

  6. xolepa says:

    I will have a rental vacancy in about 2 months. The apartment was upgraded by the current tenant, a union carpenter, young guy who really knows his stuff. new kitchen, new windows, etc. I kept the rent below market for him. I will advertise shortly with a big increase in the asking. We shall see if the pundits are true to form.

    p.s. JJ, yoohoo JJ, are you out there, JJ?

  7. Ernest Money says:

    jj stopped looking for a beachfront home since his current home just became one.

  8. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    One of JJ’s last posts:

    JJ’s B.S says:
    October 26, 2012 at 10:03 am

    I am praying it beats the crap out of those bungalows, I will show up with a bag full of cashiers checks and a baseball bat and start buying homes.

    Guy near me used to buy homes, strong arm style. A few wise guys with bats and a bag full of cash you get your best deals.

    yome says:
    October 26, 2012 at 9:57 am

    Another opportunity after next weeks storm?

  9. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    JJ’s B.S says:
    October 26, 2012 at 12:07 pm

    Why are folks in jersey nancy boys. BOOOO HOOOO it is going to rain. I had only one staff member say are we working from home monday if storm comes, you guessed it Jersey.

    I am prepared. I am charging my phone and laptop, throwing some ice packs in fridge and worst case I will be holding an umbrella while bbqing some steaks.

  10. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I believe this was JJ’s last post . Very fitting exit.

    JJ’s B.S says:
    October 26, 2012 at 4:37 pm

    I love those sanlorenzos!!!!

  11. Confused in NJ says:

    Polls were crowded this A.M.

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    Confused [12],

    I agree. What does it mean?

  13. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I walked by my local polls at 6:20AM and there were two ladies in line, polls open at 7. At 7:20 there were 150 people in line outside. Haven’t seen anything like that in the 10 years I’ve lived here.

  14. Fast Eddie says:

    ExPat [14],

    MSNBC already calling it – saying the republican party needs to dig deep and find out which direction they want to go in after the loss. Hmm… chickens, hatched, etc.

  15. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    expat mine were busy at 6:15. 3rd election for me in this town never saw it that busy. I have this weird feeling O is either going to win in a landslide or get a beatdown. Do not think the pols are as close as they are predicting.

    I actually voted for someone in the “Buck the Major Parties” as county freeholder. Why the F not.

  16. Brian says:

    There was a rumor going around that if you voted for Obama, you would get a free can of gasoline.

  17. Fast Eddie says:

    Brian [17],

    Bomma gas to go with the Bomma car while talking on the Bomma phone.

  18. Fabius Maximus says:

    #17 Brian

    Ran into a guy this morning whos biggest complaint was that 10 years ago, the League of Women voters would be outside the polling place with Coffee and cookies.

    I think this must be a fake as I think, he didn’t draw that!

  19. Brian says:

    Obama will take NJ obviously. If you’re a Romney voter in NJ, you might as well write in Chris Christie or something….have some fun with it.

  20. homeboken says:

    The real voting fun in Hoboken is the local election. The school board majority is up for grabs and the Old Guard are itching to get the power back. They have been very aggressive outside the polling stations. Love me some Hudson County corruption, errr politics

  21. POS cape says:


    I will wait in a 150 person line for food handouts, water, or gasoline. Not for restaurants, movies, or voting.

  22. Essex says:

    Note to self….TV blackout next 24 hours… ;-)

  23. nwnj says:


    Looks like it was JJ who was cashiered. Maybe his old lady did him in for not pulling the trigger on that NJ mcmansion last year. Most well to do in the NY commuting radius seem to be back online.

  24. Anon E. Moose says:

    Sx [23];

    Note to self….TV blackout next 24 hours… ;-)

    Leftist copes with unpleasant reality contrary to their worldview by burying their head in the sand. Quelle surprise.

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    When do I get my Bomma pony?

  26. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    As I was returning from morning walk, I came around the back of the school building where I vote as it was a slightly shorter route to the door. That’s when I suddenly saw the 150 person line and since I decided I wasn’t going to stand in it, I scanned the crowd pretty carefully. I would characterize them as quiet, well-groomed, and professionally employed. Also, if they’re in line too long, they could probably use some sunscreen.

  27. Fast Eddie says:

    ExPat [27],

    I would characterize them as quiet, well-groomed, and professionally employed.

    Did any of them appear to have a Bomma phone?

  28. joyce says:

    “As I was returning from morning walk…”

    next time say your ‘morning constitutional’
    Come on let’s class it up!


  29. Comrade Nom Deplume in bucolic PA says:

    [25] moose

    Actually, if I weren’t a political junkie, I’d join SX.

    That said, I won’t be near a TV for much of the day, so it matters not.

  30. joyce says:

    Uh Oh Gary,

    Policito has Romney with 14 popular votes and Obama has 28!!! (and 1 for Gary Johnson) those are the early numbers from New Hampshire

  31. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [29] joyce,

    For some, the “morning constitutional” is done in the bathroom.

    Not sure that it classes it up.

  32. joyce says:

    Someone has to fill JJ’s now water logged shoes.

  33. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [30] The funniest metric included for the worst college majors in that article is “Likelihood of working retail”:

    We also worked with Payscale to determine the likelihood that recent graduates from each major would end up working in retail, where a college degree isn’t always required, rather than in their field of study.

  34. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Nom have a dentists appt at noon (how appropriate) and then meetings the rest of the day so I have to wait to get home for major news.

    I hope there is rioting : )

  35. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [32] Joyce

    I love that Obama trounced Romney in Hart’s Location, 23-9, with 34 votes recorded.

    As of the 2010 Census, there were only 15 households in the town.

  36. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – most of those Hispanic sites are just left-wing propaganda machines.

    Policito has Romney with 14 popular votes and Obama has 28!!! (and 1 for Gary Johnson) those are the early numbers from New Hampshire

  37. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [34] joyce,

    Don’t look at me. I haven’t schtupped any celebrities.

  38. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [36] pain,

    Me too. That would be fitting. Anyway, gotta go.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    joyce [32],

    I’m confident that the muppets will vote for the continuation of the transformation of what was previously known as The United States of America. How can anyone pass up a Dupont style pizza delivered to your door in less than 30 minutes?

  40. joyce says:

    I think Obama is a criminal similar to the overwhelming majority of our public officials. But this “anyone but this guy” mindset is laughable to me. George W Bush was horrific, and the attitude of “anyone but this guy” got us Obama. (cause media said McCain = Bush)
    Do you really think much would be different if McCain was at the helm the last four years? Would we have Obamacare… yes, it just would be called something different. Would we have started wars with more countries, absolutely. And on and on and on…

    You think otherwise?

  41. Essex says:

    25. We’ll talk tomorrow.

  42. Fast Eddie says:


    Make an argument for what is and not what might have been. McCain wasn’t the president, it was the other guy. The Messiah gave everyone a chill up their leg and promised to walk on water. If the majority of Americans are happy with the direction of the country, then they’ll re-elect him. If you had to choose, who would be your ideal candidate?

  43. DL says:

    Regardless of the issue, the fundamental question in American politics since the Civil War is States versus Federal rights. Devolve people.

  44. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    What does Obama do next if he wins? All he’s ever done is campaign and kill people. I guess he’ll spend a lot more time killing.

  45. joyce says:

    I’ve always been a supporter of Ron Paul.

  46. joyce says:

    Regardless of which of the two criminals win, nothing will change. That’s my point, and it’s the reason why I don’t get all worked up about replacing the incumbent. If it happens, so what? If it doens’t happen, so what?

    If the challenger to the incumbent was someone worth supporting, then I guess I’d care. For as much as I despise some of the things advocated by the “3rd party candidates” – I would take any one of them over the Red-ish/Blue team.

  47. joyce says:

    At times, I say I hope Romney wins so I can say “told ya so” when nothing changes. Either way, I will be able to say that soon or in 4 years.

  48. Person with heat and electric says:

    Any suggestions on how to help those in need from the storm? Already done the Red Cross donation and giving time and supplies to the local warm up shelters? Ideas appreciated.

  49. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Go to local warming shelter and offer assistance to anyone in need. Our house has been grand central since the power came back.

  50. Brian says:

    We ran extension cords to neighbors who didn’t have heat or electric. Start with your neighborhood, knock on doors and see if anybody needs help.

    50.Person with heat and electric says:
    November 6, 2012 at 11:46 am
    Any suggestions on how to help those in need from the storm? Already done the Red Cross donation and giving time and supplies to the local warm up shelters? Ideas appreciated.

  51. 30 year realtor says:

    Internet bookmakers had Obama at -$325. To the uninitiated, it means you must risk $325 to make $100 if you bet Obama to win.

    I believe O will take it with over 300 electoral votes.

  52. Fabius Maximus says:

    #53 30 year

    Nate Silver’s final forecast: Obama, 314.6 EV; Romney, 223.4. Senate: Dem: 52.5, GOP, 47.5.

    I have had it 309/229 for a long time.

    In the end it all comes down to Opposition. O was it in 2008 and got the nod. Mitt was not in 2012. GOP X will get blown away by Cuomo in 2016 on the back of a recovering economy and it will be 2020 before the GOP has a chance of competing. If they are not back from the Chateu Wingnut, the D bus will keep running.
    The biggest regret in the GOP will not be O winning, it will be the fact that this is the second election cycle that the wingnuts have cost them the chance of winning control of the senate.

  53. joyce says:

    Obama is everything that Bush was… and you’re fine with that, Fabius?

  54. Fabius Maximus says:


    If you don’t want to watch TV, you can always play video games.

  55. Libtard in the City says:

    Eddie and Nom,

    You both would be happy with who I voted for this morning. For president I voted “None of the above”. For Senate I voted againt Menedez. For Sheriff I went red, but went Dem the rest of the way.

    Polls were quite busy, but mainly because the people working them were like 100 years young and moved like snails. I swear, the lady who looks up your name in the book took 2 minutes to find my name. Also, the new voting machines still confuse the average voter. Especially the old people.

    Obama won this election back in 2008. That’s how bad W truly was. Have a feeling that the Repubs finally get their way in 2016. I’m looking forward to Christie campaigning. You might not agree with his tactics or his positions, but he’s more entertaining than virtually anything else on TV. Well, besides Homeland.

  56. Libtard in the City says:

    Update – Obama expected to lead the voting early until the Republicans get out of work.

    Hat tip to commenter on Baristanet.

  57. freedy says:

    Anything is better than this POS we have in the White House now

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    Obama expected to lead the voting early until the Republicans get out of work.

    So, what does the entitlement crowd do all day when the Republicans are working?

  59. Libtard in the City says:

    “So, what does the entitlement crowd do all day when the Republicans are working?”

    Why they are buying the products and services the Republicans are creating. See how well this works? This is why we need to raise taxes on the rich. With more entitlements, the wealthy will stay employed.

  60. Anon E. Moose says:

    Fab [54];

    If they are not back from the Chateu Wingnut, the D bus will keep running.

    With that kind of deep, clear-eyed political analysis, how is it that you haven’t you sold your “Fabius’ Post” website to Time/Warner for big bank?

    If Bomma wins today in four years the mainstream media will continue to tell us that warm stream we feel on our leg is rain, i.e., 7% unemployment is ‘robust recovery’; don’t believe your lying wallet, there is no inflation despite $12/gal gas and $20 bread; and part-time jobs for everyone with government-financed medical exchanges.

    Oh, and since you already got ‘free’ healthcare and a free Bomma phone, everyone gets a pony in 2016.

  61. Ragnar says:

    “POS”? that sounds like dog whistle talk, after all what color is S?

  62. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Looks like a good day to sell equities.

  63. Fast Eddie says:


    Why they are buying the products and services the Republicans are creating.

    Buying it with what?

  64. 3B Buying says:

    Does anyone care that I am trying to buy a house and cannot find one? Just saying.

  65. Fast Eddie says:

    3B [66],

    No one feels your pain more than I. Instead of getting better, it’s getting worse. I’m looking at the same sorry, disgusting houses spanning seven towns, over and over again. In fact, I’m now visiting the same sorry houses a 2nd time, hoping to see what wall I could possibly move to make the place livable. Wherever these transactions are happening, is a mystery to me.

  66. Libtard in the City says:

    “Buying it with what?”

    With their welfare and their food stamps and their disability checks, etc.

  67. toomuchchange says:

    Checking in from another state; first time here since before the storm.

    I will go back over the comments over the past week to see how everybody’s doing. I am so sorry for everyone who has been affected.

    While power was restored by PSE&G, our electrical panel was fried. We had no heat or lights so I scurried back to the original nest to wait things out.

    I can only thank God that we kept the cooking gas, water and landline service. Also that I had a few flashlights and had bought extra batteries before the storm.

    “Toomuchchange” indeed.

    PS. How could I have left this off my list: Thank God I was on the second floor and not in our basement, which got water up to the ceiling.

  68. Ragnar says:

    Sounds like you’ve been affected as bad or worse than most. Except possibly for JJ who may have been washed to sea on his way to work Sandy Monday.
    PSE&G gave me power Friday afternoon, but the neighborhood lost it again yesterday. Thankfully no frying so far as the power goes on & off.

  69. 3B Buying says:

    #67 gary I hear you!! Look at the listing on my post number 4. We were going to buy it!! But it is gone. Needs a second bath and work, but it would have worked. Not even a style that I would think many would appreciate, and yet it is still gone!!

  70. DL says:

    66. Thought it was just me.

  71. xolepa says:

    3B and Eddie. If it’s any comfort to you, what you are seeing in the market place is what my wife and I encountered in the years 1990 and 1991. This was the period that NJ real estate last crashed heavily. What happened was that in the beginning of the downturn the houses were allowed to sink quickly in price. There were no artificial supports then. Those were scooped up pretty quickly. Afterwards, the rot remained on the market and it was nearly impossible to find anything decent. We wound up buying a building lot after the owner (a builder/speculator) finally capitulated and lowered the asking. No regrets there. Been living here for over twenty years now. One potential opportunity missed early – a 6000 sq ft shell in Hook Mountain estates in Clinton twsp, all exterior done, just needed complete interior but had well and septic installed. Could have picked it up in low 200s.

  72. toomuchchange says:

    About the electronic balloting for those of us away from New Jersey:

    I got a confirmation from Hudson County Clerk’s office on Sunday.

    Still have not received the electronic ballot.

    I saw somewhere that the deadlines will be extended.

    Does anyone know anything about this?


  73. xolepa says:

    Addition to 74: Are you putting ads in the local papers ‘young couple looking for home in established neighborhood blah blah blah’? You will be surprised as to how this works as some people don’t want to list with realtors and prefer to negotiate directly. My uncle died several years ago and his estate had to go to the work of the judges. All because he refused to pay a lawyer for that will. That’s how some people think.

  74. Ben says:

    The funny thing is, Obama had this election won. All he had to do was sit down and study for a day prior to that first debate. Instead, he chose to walk in unprepared Palin style and got similar results. How bad is it when the president doesn’t even bother to prepare for a debate? I wonder what he actually does in office.

  75. toomuchchange says:

    71 – Radnar

    If having nothing ruined except the food in my refrigerator and freezer is “as bad or worse than most” here, I am shocked, amazed and very happy indeed.

    The streets around me were full of people throwing out much to almost all the contents of their basement and ground level apartments.

    In our building, the ones in the basement apartment got it up to their knees during Irene and then up their ceiling this time.

    They did manage to pack up boxes and bags that are now scattered throughout our first, second and third floor hallways. Still, the curb outside our house was entirely full and lined up with their stuff three times before I left on Sunday morning. They and so many of my poor neighbors spent day after day cold and devastated, yet somehow they found the strength to go through the wrecked and ruined material contents of their lives item by item, bit by bit.

    I was slightly — well, something, let us say “catatonic” for now — the whole week from Monday-Sunday. Had I taken a real hit, I don’t know what I would have done.

  76. toomuchchange says:

    Could my comment 78 please be taken out of moderation.

  77. Grim says:

    Where are you JCPL?

    Now we are hearing you won’t be back to Wayne until the 10th?

    PSEG is almost done out here, I see PS trucks along side crews from other states. JCPL? Nowhere. Hell, there are still major intersections in 23 that are still powerless.

    How about you do everyone a favor and cede control of the territory over to PS, they know how to get shit done.

  78. relo says:

    80: Trade you Orange & Rockland for JCPL?

  79. joyce says:

    Sorry, Grim. JCPL hooked up Florham Park on Sunday.

  80. NJCoast says:

    JCP&L has not brought any power here either. Their website indicated none would be hooked up today.

  81. Ragnar says:

    I was happy with PSE&G on Friday when the power came back on at 2pm. I wasn’t so happy when the power went off for no apparent reason at 7PM yesterday, and is still off throughout my neighborhood. I wasn’t expecting to loose power again until Wednesday.

  82. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Grim sorry your still out. there have been armies of trucks in morris county. We were on late thursday of last week

  83. Ben says:

    If you hate JCP&L so much, you should drop them as your supplier. You are forced to use them as your deliverer but you can buy supply from any company that offers it in your area. You’ll be sending them half the money you normally do.

  84. 1987 Condo Buyer says:

    Listening to WFAN, seems LIPA is in same league as JCP&L and R&O. Probably why we have not heard from JJ

  85. nwnj says:

    Christie either doesn’t understand – or doesn’t care – how he was played by the utilities. They said 7-10 days to repair everyone, well tomorrow is 10 days, and their repair forecast continues indefinitely.

    And it’s really inaccurate to continue to call them JCP&L, it’s really the first energy. They need to be investigated for negligence. They haven’t a clue how to manage their lines. I’m ready to class action these mofos if anyone out there starts building lists.

  86. Libtard in the City says:

    Here we may go again. Only this time with 60mph peak gusts and snow. Not all models are in alignment, but more and more are coming online.

  87. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Lib f*ck it why the hell not. NJ/Staten Island can go the way of the Donner Party.

    Too bad it didn’t hit today.

  88. Ragnar says:

    Even if you change energy supplier, JCP&L would still be your servicer for this sort of stuff. Your lights would still be out.
    NWNJ – Christie was all about making himself and Obama look good when he said that. Only NJ voters will face the reality, but folks voting today will think it’s mission accomplished, the magic Obama came to town and healed the sick.

    Christie will probably start whipping the power companies soon to shift attention from him. The hurricane is the best thing for his political career because now he can blame it for NJ continuing to shed employment and people, while remaining at the top of the tax list, and bottom of business (employer) friendliness. He had a good few months of early reform attempts, followed by a couple of years of indulgent self-congratulations. If Christie were really fighting for necessary changes in NJ, we’d have faced a vote on his impeachment by now.

  89. Libtard in the City says:

    Here’s the QPF. Jersey sees a lot of 1 to 2 inches of water. If it comes down as snow, time to get the gas cans and generators back from those you lent them too.

  90. Libtard in the City says:

    Indeed, Christie started out as a reformer. Then he gained some notoriety on the national level and began to embrace the wingnut agenda someone earlier alluded to. Giving in to the assembly on the tax cap was the end of his career as a reformer. He will definitely pursue the presidency and will be lucky to do half as well as the Mormon did.

  91. joyce says:

    Is that saying 10 inches of snow???!?!? No way

    Please tell me I’m misreading that.

  92. Fabius Maximus says:

    #55 Joyce.
    I think they are closer to the middle than most people realize, but they are very different in a lot of ways. GWB is not a natural neocon, but that is where he found himself and I think that he went along with the flow on a lot of issues and wasn’t striong enough to go up agianst his own party . Mitt scares me in that the team behind him is peppered with people from that administration. I don’t mind people evolving to the other side of a position as the situation or your beliefs change. What I don’t like is when someone dumps their beliefs for political gain. McCain did it in 2008 and Mitt this year. Joe Lieberman has done it for years and I will be celebrating him moving on.
    For me I would have liked to see John Edwards and in this campaign the candidate match program gave me a 98% compatibility with Jill Stein. I give O a solid B for his past 4 years and congress a big F.

  93. Libtard in the City says:


    Would be surprised if we get that much, but 5″ wouldn’t be out of the question if that model comes to fruition. Will keep tracking tonight.

  94. NJGator says:

    Checking in from the NJT Express Bus to Clifton. People standing on the 4pm departure. Had to show up to the gate by 3:40 to guarantee a seat. Boy the commute is going to suck for those who wait until rush hour to leave.

    I wonder what Sue Adler is telling people the commute time is from Short Hills these days.

    No estimates yet on when those blue ribbony MidTown Direct towns will be train towns again.

  95. Essex says:

    Power back up today. Got to know my furnace wiring way better than would have imagined.

  96. toomuchchange says:

    Good luck with the storm, everybody.

    I can only hope that you don’t get what is predicted.

  97. Essex says:

    Sorry Eddie, But the longer I live here the more i like the people I am surrounded. Jersey is kind of awesome like that. It’s resident remind me of a badass mutt that likes the occasional belly rub.

  98. grim says:

    88 – That’s the joke…

    “Free Beer Tomorrow”

    If every day the answer is, “in 7 to 10 days”, what kind of urgency is there?

    Unless everyone, somehow, forgot how to subtract.

  99. Essex says:

    I got a new pair of XC skiis to try out if it gets powdery.

  100. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Fab not that I needed further proof but you are a f*cking moron.

    domestically Obama is a nightmare. crony capitalism for green energy, increased regulation, the disaster that is the DOJ, f*cking bondholders in GM and Chrysler bankruptcies as a handout to the UAW. Outright verbal war on the productive soon to be an actual tax war. Suspension of civil liberties with increased drug raids, persecution of medical marijuan dispensaries were it is legal, more deportations of illegals in recent memory

    don’t even get me started on his foriegn policy I would have carpal tunnel detailing those failures.

    sure Congress is a mess of f*cktards it always is but that goes for when it was run by Dems and now Reps.

    giving Obama a B shows what a blind team bluer you are he doesn’t even conform to the platforms in your own party. Anitwar O- more war. Decriminalization and treatment -O more prosecutions and convictions. Path to immigration O- send em back.

  101. joyce says:


    Give me please some concrete examples of differences?

  102. joyce says:

    well said, Pain

    What happened to the anti-war movement? The anti-torture, the anti-drone strikes, the anti-patriot act?

    Those are all still alive and well, double-downed on and expanding.

    The last time I pointed out the hyprocrisy (re: Patriot Act). Blue Team cheerleader Fabius just said, “Bush opened the door”


  103. nwnj says:


    Yep, the perpetual schedule AND their method of tracking progress is a joke.

    I mentioned this yesterday – number of customers doesn’t tell me sh@t when you’re mixing SF residential housing, higher density residential, and commercial all in the same repair numbers.

    One repair to a townhouse complex looks like you’ve done a great deal of work because the restored numbers can jump quickly but it doesn’t tell me a damn thing about how much actual work is left to do.

    First Energy(and the others apparently) did not do anything to address the deficiences that became apparent after last year’s storms and they need to be taken to task.

  104. Ben says:

    November 6, 2012 at 4:00 pm

    Even if you change energy supplier, JCP&L would still be your servicer for this sort of stuff. Your lights would still be out.
    NWNJ – Christie was all about making himself and Obama look good when he said that. Only NJ voters will face the reality, but folks voting today will think it’s mission accomplished, the magic Obama came to town and healed the sick.

    I realize that, but as I said, you might as well switch rather than send them all your money for power. Anyway, people have short memories. JPC&L’s last screw up was easily forgotten and it was only a year ago. This time, they get to hide behind Sandy. Local politicians will only scream at JCP&L to try to make a name for themselves or get re-elected today. It won’t go much farther as they continue with their own self-absorbed agenda. The best you can do is switch suppliers, and at the very least, cost them a $1000 or more worth of business each year.

  105. xolepa says:

    Guys/gals. Quit the bickering. Go home and vote.

    Personal note: My daughter put on a Romney sweatshirt today at her New England college, exclusive and ultra-liberal. Many nasty stares. Believe me, I did not influence her on this, imploring her to keep a low profile as those people up there can heap retribution on her.

    She is strong willed and doesn’t care about the crowd. That, at least, is an inherited trait from her father’s side. She already had to switch classes this semester because the profile of one course was to radically left-wing agenda for her. Coming from Hunterdon County, it is in a way, a wake up call for her. The balloting in my town, as many others in this county, has blanks in many Democrat boxes. That’s because they don’t even attempt to run. The populace up there cannot fathom that.

  106. Ragnar says:

    Good for her. I hope she can extract value from her school while avoiding the brainwashing. One is always impressed when kids avoid peer pressure and think for themsleves.

  107. Fast Eddie says:


    Let your daughter know that resistance is a waste of time. The Messiah has vowed to fundamentally transform Amerika into some psuedo-collectivist inclusive society. Everyone gets a pony when they’re sad and mean people get dirty looks. Appeasement will be mandatory and everyone gets at least a “C+” on their report card for trying real hard. Remember, it’s time to move “forward” past capitalism and into soc1alism.

  108. can i AX a question? says:

    Your daughter is not very smart, is she? Instead of attending a southern, conservative school, she goes to a “New England, ultra liberal”, “radical” one where she has to endure nasty stares.

    Why doesn’t she transfer to a better place that shares her values?

  109. chi still in westchester says:

    After getting mauled with a poker I think the mayor of Colts Neck absolutely bitch slapped JCP&L to the point that they scrambled together a bunch of resources….check out this stuff……


    The following are the daily messages from Mayor Jarrett Engel, which have been e-mailed and voice mailed to all residents enrolled in the Swiftreach Reverse 911 System. To enroll in this system, see “online services”

    November 4, 2012

    This is your Mayor Jarrett Engel with an update on repair efforts. We are receiving reports from residents that many of the streets bordering our town are receiving power with expectation from JCP&L that one-third of our town will have power by day’s end. I know that the location of what streets are powered does not make sense. Unfortunately, we have found that communication with JCP&L regarding timing and location has been unreliable and inaccurate; with no information beyond today, other than that most of our town should have power by Wednesday. I have opened lines of communication with the Office of Emergency Management, FEMA and the Department of Energy. Speaking with FEMA, we have requested a delivery of water, ice, food, batteries and blankets to our comfort stations. We have also set up transition housing for those folks looking to evacuate to a hotel; information can be found on the FEMA website and at the comfort stations. I have met with the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Infrastructure Security and Restoration today to explain our town’s urgent need as it relates to running water and septic, something other towns have without power. I am working with the Superintendent of schools to open our schools on Wednesday and expect that a decision will be made tomorrow. For the safety and security of our residents and children we will not be having Halloween tomorrow and postponed until further notice. I know that frustrations are high and I share in your disappointment, but I have been and will continue to be encouraged by our town’s willingness to get through this together. Please continue your thoughts and prayers for those communities harder hit than ours.

    Be safe and God bless.

  110. chi still in westchester says:

    Mayor Jarrett Engel

    Nov 5 (1 day ago)

    to me

    This is your Mayor Jarrett Engel with an update on repair efforts. We are receiving reports from JCP&L that 60 to 70% of our town will have power by day’s end. After meeting with the Department of Energy yesterday, we have seen rapid improvement in the number of crews in town. We are learning from these crews that they are lacking the parts needed to restore power at a faster pace; struggling to bring the needed parts from other states. Speaking with the Mayors from our neighboring towns, they are dealing with the same issues regarding energy restoration. FEMA has also come through bringing needed supplies to our comfort stations. We will continue to do house checks tonight in an effort to check on our seniors. Our volunteers at the comfort stations continue to work tirelessly and if you are looking to volunteer, please stop by one. I share in your frustration of not having accurate information as to when your street will be restored and we will continue to do our best to put this horrible situation behind us.

    Thank you and God bless.

  111. chi still in westchester says:

    Mayor Jarrett Engel

    4:15 PM (2 hours ago)

    to me

    This is your Mayor Jarrett Engel with an update on repair efforts. As you have probably noticed, many more residents have received power today with a very large contingency of power trucks from around the country in our town. Our private contractors and public works department continue to work diligently to assist the power crews in restoring our entire town as soon as humanly possible. We have learned that the Colts Neck Regional High School will reopen on Monday November 12th. The Colts Neck public school Superintendent is working hard to reopen, however without power fully restored as of now, this decision will be forthcoming soon. OEM has made the decision to reduce our comfort stations to one. The first aid squad will be the single comfort station open until further notice; please stop by to pick up any blankets or batteries needed. I continue to share in your frustration, as this has been and continues to be a very difficult time for all of us. We will continue to do our house checks and prepare for tomorrow’s approaching Nor’easter.

    Thank you and God bless.

  112. Buying Hunt says:

    8 days without power and 5 kids under 9 in Aberdeen.

    We’ve been ok with a generator and got the furnace running with it.


    I don’t know how much longer I can make it without JJ. He’s he real power and light that we need back. :)

    I do truly hope he’s fine and just has some ridiculous story to tell about ending up on a raft with the Swedish bikini team or something.

  113. Juice Box says:

    The most satisfying vote today for me was Question No. 2 which brings up the fact that New Jersey’s constitution needs to be amended to allow more contributions from state judges and justices toward employee pensions and health care.

    The Judges own bull-spit ruling on themselves that they are constitutionally protected from a new law requiring state employees to contribute more toward their health care needs to be changed.

  114. Doyle says:

    Gator, arrived at Port Authority at 5p to mass chaos. I waited on line for an hour and ten minutes. When I finally got up to my gate the driver was pulling out with 17 people on a 53 person bus because nobody could get up the line on the stairs. 23 ended up getting on but the salty driver yelled at everyone who knocked on the door even though we couldn’t move and went about 50 feet in the next 10 mins. It’s been another 20 mins and I’m halfway through the tunnel. I left early to vote tonight and it seems like most other people in line did too. I can surely tell you there will be a LOT of NYC commuters not making it to the polls by 8p. The wife is on a bus ahead of me and said the turnpike is a parking lot. One hour 35 mins was my time to get on a bus and through the tunnel.

  115. chi still in westchester says:

    Obama’s Progressive Gamble

    He bet his Presidency on expanding government because that’s who he is..

    Many of our friends who saw genius in the crease of Barack Obama’s trousers four years ago lament that he might be cruising to re-election had he only focused first on the economy and postponed his liberal social priorities. This may be true, but it also misjudges the man and his Presidency.

    Mr. Obama has governed from the left not because he miscalculated his priorities but because these are his priorities. His first term is best understood as a race to put himself in the pantheon of the great progressive Presidents—Wilson, FDR, LBJ—who expanded the state’s control over the private economy and over the wants and needs of the American middle class.

    The price of this governing choice includes a weak recovery, achievements like ObamaCare that are unpopular, the loss of the House in 2010, and a polarized electorate. Unable to run on his record, he has conducted a low-down re-election campaign based on destroying his opponent’s character. If the polls are right, even if he wins re-election, he will do so as the first President since Wilson to win with a smaller margin than he did the first time.

    But for Mr. Obama, this won’t matter. His great progressive gamble will have paid off. His second term will be about preserving the government gains of his first term, especially ObamaCare, and using regulation to press government control wherever else he can.


    Rhetorically, the Barack Obama of 2008 was a centrist, a post-ideological pragmatist who was color blind to “red” and “blue” in his “one America.” But anyone who inspected the policy details (see our editorial, “A Liberal Supermajority,” October 17, 2008) could see he favored by far the most liberal program of any Democratic nominee since George McGovern in 1972.

    This tendency came to the fore in his first days in the White House, when the Obamateers turned to fiscal policy. The popular President might have combined ideas from both parties, blending for instance a major corporate tax cut with public works spending for an easy political triumph.

    “Elections have consequences,” Mr. Obama instead told Republican Eric Cantor, “and Eric, I won.” He then outsourced his agenda to Speaker Nancy Pelosi and aging left-wing committee chairmen like Henry Waxman and David Obey whose policy ambitions had been frustrated since the 1980s.

    They did what comes naturally and wrote a bill that was all about transfer payments, temporary tax subsidies, green industrial policy, homeowner subsidies, 99 weeks of jobless benefits and all the rest. The spending bonanza benefited every Democratic interest group—except the Obama voters who wanted jobs and higher incomes.

    The $830 billion might have been merely wasteful instead of destructive had Mr. Obama then turned to nurturing a durable expansion. The pre-eminent goal ought to have been to rebuild business and consumer confidence and encourage the revival of animal spirits.

    Instead, with a filibuster-proof Senate of 60 Democrats, he began the Bataan death march to national health care—a new entitlement at a time when the current entitlement state is buckling and unaffordable. The Affordable Care Act is among the worst pieces of legislation ever passed, not least because Mr. Obama might have notched another bipartisan victory had he sought GOP input. When the bill ran into trouble with the public and even moderate Democrats, he plowed ahead anyway.

    The health-care takeover was merely part of a larger liberal agenda that frightened investors as much as the events of 2008 and led to a hiring and capital strike. The missteps have been legion: the political bonfire over the AIG bonuses; overhauling the financial system from top to bottom, rather than a more considered approach; the regulatory surge, especially at the Environmental Protection Agency; punishing Chrysler bondholders for the benefit of the UAW; and through it all the promise to raise taxes in 2013.

    About the only economic intervention Mr. Obama didn’t try post-stimulus was nationalizing the banks, and that was a close run thing. The White House even fought to the bitter end for a cap-and-trade bill that the House passed and would have imposed higher costs for electric power, transportation, manufacturing and most goods and services as this tax flowed down the energy chain.

    Mr. Obama had numerous opportunities to see what was amiss politically and economically and correct his errors. There was the rise of the tea party and the summer 2009 popular rebellion against ObamaCare. Then Scott Brown’s Massachusetts election. Even after Republicans gained 63 seats in 2010, Mr. Obama might have imitated Bill Clinton after 1994 and made real bows toward centrist governing.

    But that is not who he is. After a two-year extension of the Bush tax rates after 2010, he made no budget concessions and assailed the Paul Ryan budget as literally anti-American. He personally blew up a grand bargain with Speaker John Boehner in the debt-limit fracas after spurning his own deficit commission.

    All of these were deliberate political choices, part of his progressive gamble that it will all be worth it if he can win re-election. Higher taxes are already locked into place, ObamaCare’s subsidies are ready to roll out, and the regulatory wave he has delayed past Election Day can recommence. He’ll have put the government in such a dominant position that its new powers will take decades to roll back or reform.


    Mr. Obama’s trouser-crease admirers now say they hope Mr. Obama will emerge as a bigger man in his second term, and lately he has been using the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy to revive his postpartisan aura of 2008. But there is nothing—not one policy choice—in his first-term record to suggest this is anything but another ruse to attract independents.

    In his more candid moments, Mr. Obama has said he wants to be the progressive version of Reagan, that his goal is “fundamentally transforming” America. If he’s re-elected, that is what he will continue to try to do.

    A version of this article appeared November 5, 2012, on page A16 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Obama’s Progressive Gamble.

  116. Juice Box says:

    Chi – Here is a key principal in American politics today.

    “No feature of American–to some extent of Anglo-Saxon–politics is so certain as the tendency of politicians to become first the captives, then the agents, of their opposition. In consequence, major initiatives are not taken by those who originally most favour them. Those so captured by an idea are too much in fear of their opponents. The action comes with the opposition accepts the need and wishes to disarm the original proponents. In the 1960s, liberal Democrats in the United States urged peace and international amity but continued the Cold War and plunged the country into Vietnam. They did so partly because they feared being called appeasers and crypto-Communists by the right. Richard Nixon, having impeccable credentials as a Cold Warrior, moved towards peace or accommodation with Moscow and Peking and withdrew, if very gradually, from Vietnam. Thus on foreign policy he outflanked his liberal opposition. When Professor Milton Friedman proposed a guaranteed income for the poor, it was considered (quite correctly) an act of creative imagination. When a Republican administration proposed it to Congress, it was a mark of conservative statemanship. When George McGovern, running for President, advanced a close variant on slightly more generous terms, it was condemned by conservatives as the dream of a fiscal maniac. As known and stalwart defenders of the dollar, the Republicans were able, in the early 1970s, to devalue it not once but twice. For anyone suspected of a more flexible attitude towards the integrity of the dollar, such action would have been exceedingly perilous.”

    – “Money: Whence it came, where it went” by John Kenneth Galbraith (First Published 1975)

  117. Juice Box says:

    Anybody watch this 60 minutes segment this week? McConnell has nearly 30 years in the Senate and Reid started in the House in 82 and moved to the Senate in 86. The two of them act cordial but in reality the want to slay each other.

    Any wonder why their is gridlock in DC with a bunch of Dinosaurs running the show?

  118. can i AX a question? says:

    Juice Box says:
    November 6, 2012 at 7:46 pm
    Anybody watch this 60 minutes segment this week? McConnell has nearly 30 years in the Senate and Reid started in the House i

    can i AX a question? says:
    November 5, 2012 at 8:24 am

    did you watch 60 minutes last night?

    they asked both leading senators as to why the senate s.ucks, why they cannot come together to fix America’s problems. their answers sounded like something that gary or chifi would say, really, that simpleton. senate is willing to let it all go to hell based on pure ideological pathology.

  119. caljn says:


    Who was president on 9/11 and which president’s ridiculous tax policy wrecked the nations finances? This is why O cruised to victory in 08.
    And the opposition, not willing to acknowledge the nation chose O, were determined to “wreck” his presidency. They almost did.

  120. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Ax does not matter until both sides run out of other people’s money to squander, and no one wants to lend us anything will they realize the depth of the problem. Probably not even then

  121. Essex says:

    125. Short memories and shorter attention spans are the distinguishing characteristic of the typical American. Just listen to the moronic rants and smell the stench of failure going back decades.

  122. can i AX a question? says:

    what about Campaign Finance Reform?

    Painhrtz – 42 says:
    November 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm
    Ax does not matter until both sides run out of other people’s money to squander, and no one wants to lend us anything will they realize the depth of the problem. Probably not even then

  123. Anon E. Moose says:

    caljin [125];

    You think 9/11 was the result of 8 months’ foreign policy? You are seriously arguing that Al Qaeda sprung from the ground fully formed only after Jan 20, 2001? Was there no prior bombing attempt on the WTC? No attack on the Cole?

    Have another kool-aid.

  124. Anon E. Moose says:

    Con’t [129];

    Sept 11, 2001 “is why O cruised to victory in 08”, ignoring the fact that the sitting president in 2001 was re-elected handily in 2004? What a moron.

  125. joyce says:

    Love me my sheep

    caljn says:
    November 6, 2012 at 8:17 pm

    Who was president on 9/11 and which president’s ridiculous tax policy wrecked the nations finances? This is why O cruised to victory in 08.
    And the opposition, not willing to acknowledge the nation chose O, were determined to “wreck” his presidency. They almost did.

  126. Juice Box says:

    re # 129 – Moose as a nation our meddling in the sand goes back to 1780s. My understanding the mast o the USS Philadelphia is still on display somewhere in Libya.

  127. can i AX a question? says:

    what’s up in connecticut?

  128. Juice Box says:

    Friend of mine in Fairhaven is staying at a neighbors house with power, apparently the garbage truck clipped the low hanging power line and now no power anywhere on their block. Young kids too 2 month old and a 3 year old.

    I may have guests. I hope they like my cooking.

  129. Ben says:

    which president’s ridiculous tax policy wrecked the nations finances?

    That would be every president since Eisenhower

  130. Mikewaited says:

    can i AX 113 Adversity builds character. “Your daughter is not very smart, is she?”
    Are you internet tough or a women the reason I ask is a man would/should know better than to go there about someones daughter. Your handle is new, are you new or somebody just hiding under a new name. Before you go off, anytime anywhere or just hide behind your skirt, gender dependent.

  131. can i AX a question? says:

    ok, ignore that, what’s up in nj with the election?

    can i AX a question? says:
    November 6, 2012 at 8:58 pm
    what’s up in connecticut?

  132. Mikewaited says:

    juice 134 I’m sure you will do just fine, good show!

  133. Fabius Maximus says:

    #104 Pain
    When you respond with ad hominem”, it will always detract from any argument that you try and make. If you your argument can stand on its own, what’s the point?
    Let’s start with “for green energy, increased regulation”. Head outside and look at all those downed power lines. They are indicative of the state of the electrical grid. Antiquated and screaming for an upgrade. It will be a very expensive spend and there is large areas, that the private sector will not touch as there is no profit margin for them. Add in Fracking (hi Chi) and without tight regulation PA, WV and VA will end up as Superfund states (not sites).

  134. Fabius Maximus says:

    #105 Joyce

    I’ll give you two.

    Michael Brown vs Craig Fugate
    Harriet Miers vs Elena Kagen

  135. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Lib looking at how it is shaking out your numbers may be spot on. Argentina here we come.

  136. can i AX a question? says:

    Mike, if your child is very focused and strong in science, would you send your child to a school very strong on liberal arts to build character? or if your child understands that capitalism is the best economic system created by humanity, you send it to a socialist school to fight them? you get the point. the issue was not that it was a different school, but rather that a conservative leaning student is attending a “very liberal” and in fact “radical” school.

    if you kid strongly values christianity, the best option is a muslim school? why would you do that? be smart and consistent with your values. plenty of good, high-quality schools like Bob Jones that are available and should not be forgotten.

    last, but not least, i didn’t brought up the issue. it was brought up by the parent

    Mikewaited says:
    November 6, 2012 at 9:09 pm
    can i AX 113 Adversity builds character. “Your daughter is not very smart, is she?”
    Are you internet tough or a women the reason I ask is a man would/should know better than to go there about someones daughter. Your handle is new, are you new or somebody just hiding under a new name. Before you go off, anytime anywhere or just hide behind your skirt, gender dependent.

  137. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Ok dipsh!t then why pump 800 million into solar companies that generate electricity if you don’t have the capacity to transmit it. You are such an idiot you don’t even respond to the fact that chairman o has continued Bush’s policies while throwing out what had always been the central tenets of the democratic platform.

  138. Mikewaited says:

    Why ignore “can i Ax” I have been here over five years & never never called anyone out. But in this case I have, maybe you owe someone an apology and it ain’t me. We do not conduct ourselves that way in regard to others children. We often call each other every name in the book, crossed a line to proud to back peddle?
    How about: I think your daughter would be better off in a school where people share her values?
    Will you agree the above line is in better taste? We have all posted things we regret, it will be left at that.

  139. Juice Box says:

    re # 143- refer to my post 121. Enemy Mine.

  140. joyce says:

    Oh Fabius, you’re so smart it overwhelms me.

    Let me take the 2nd part first, the old supreme court nomination argument. Was Justice Roberts nominated by a Red president? How did you like his contortion of the english language (and the law) to rule on Obamacare? Did he go with the ‘conservative viewpoint’? The courts are identical to the legislative and executive branch in that they will do the corporatists bidding. I guess the only difference is that the judges have even less accountability than elected officials.

    So now FEMA directors. You do realize the guy you support (I suppose) Craig Fugate was appointed twice by two Red governors in Florida prior to joining the Obama administration? But seriously, the FEMA director appointment is what you’re reaching for to illustrate a significant difference?


  141. can i AX a question? says:

    Ok. this time no question.

    Mike, if you feel strongly about it, I recall my entire post on this topic and am OK if they get all deleted. You are right and will stop posting for the rest of the night.

    Good night.

    Mikewaited says:
    November 6, 2012 at 9:30 pm
    Why ignore “can i Ax” I have been here over five years & never never called anyone out. But in this case I have, maybe you owe someone an apology and it ain’t me. We do not conduct ourselves that way in regard to others children. We often call each other every name in the book, crossed a line to proud to back peddle?
    How about: I think your daughter would be better off in a school where people share her values?
    Will you agree the above line is in better taste? We have all posted things we regret, it will be left at that.

  142. Mikewaited says:

    can i Ax 142 I was writing while you posted , OK makes sense. Now does not mine also:
    “I think your daughter would be better off in a school where people share her values?”
    that is what your point is in 142 no?

  143. Mikewaited says:

    can i Ax , no problem you were posting while I wrote again, war off!

  144. Mikewaited says:

    Keep posting that is what this place is about.

  145. Libtard at home says:

    No one else voted for none of the above? Damn, I wasted my vote!

  146. Essex says:

    Some day the GOP will figure out that most people are afraid of super zealots who want to shrink government and drown it in a bathtub and dictate womens’ health issues.

    Menendez takes NJ. Again.

  147. chi still in westchester says:

    Wanda Sykes from 12 years ago…..

  148. Fabius Maximus says:

    #106 joyce
    I said a lot more on the Patriot act. Let me try and summarize. After the last senate vote before the 2008 Patriot Act vote that killed off the 4th amendment, I posted that there was a stunning silence from the right (and the board) as one of the core tenets of the constitution went under the bus. I am still trying to work out how that happened. In relation to O, I have framed it in this way. If O did to the 2nd Amendment what GWB did to the 4th there would be screaming in the streets.

    I take a pragmatic approach to this. Blaming O for the Patriot act, is like blaming the firefighter that the house burned down while giving the arsonist a pass as “everyone knew he played with lighters”!

  149. yome says:

    O takes PA and WI that gives him 30 electoral votes.CNN projected leaning O electoral votes is 237.So that puts him at 267. 3 more it is over

  150. Fabius Maximus says:

    #120 Chi

    Too many words, can you precis?

  151. Mikewaited says:

    yome 155 figuring “O” takes the “left” coast (which he will) you may be right.

  152. Mikewaited says:

    However on my map “R” has Virginia.

  153. yome says:

    He might not need OH to win it

  154. yome says:

    Virginia is a toss up on CNN map

  155. yome says:

    O takes NH 4 electoral votes.It is over!!

  156. Fabius Maximus says:

    #128 Ax

    The one thing that stuck out about McCain/Feingold was the exemption for airline transportation when it is provided by a family member (not sure of the exact wording, but that is the jist). Fast forward and Johnny is running round the country in 2008 campaigning in Cindys corporate jet.

  157. Libtard at home says:

    Who cares. I’m going to sleep. Tomorrow there will be a president who represents no one but his personal interests. The congress and the senate, all the same. American politicians make pro wrestlers appear realistic. Good night my fellow sheeple.

  158. Libtard at home says:

    And for what it’s worth, I told you all 3 years ago that O was getting reelected. With the mandate he received in 2008, he would have pretty much had to rape his own daughter to lose.

  159. Essex says:

    166. Man Dates — daughter secks….my Gawd you are unusually perverse this evening.

  160. Essex says:

    Elizabeth Warren FTW. Teaparty is over baby.

  161. Fast Eddie says:

    Ahh… all you keypad heros coming out of the woodwork. Right on cue. Four more years of campaign rhetoric and you call that a victory? Victory for what, for who? Bill O’Reilly said it early; people want stuff… they want entitlements. Give the people what they want.

  162. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Essex why do I have a feeling you have Mao che and Castro t shirts in your closet. I would to know how you Obama liberals plan to pay down the debt.

  163. Fast Eddie says:


    You’re paying down the debt. Oblama supporters don’t pay down debt. In fact, they don’t pay for anything.

  164. Essex says:

    170. Which debt? The entitlement debt, the two unfunded wars debt, the debt in my name, my cousin’s debt? All my t-shirts have eagles or wolves on them. I do have one shirt with a silkscreen of your wife’s naked buttocks.

  165. Essex says:

    Eddie, Eddie, Eddie…..sounds like you are a little “BLUE” tonight.

  166. caljn says:

    Not re-elected handily. Remember Ohio? He had no mandate. None. Yet he and darth vader proceeded do as they pleased to “keep us safe” and to ruin the country. Then you get angry because O didn’t clean up fast enough.

    “what a moron” Name calling. Poor thing…I understand your frustation. At this moment it doesn’t look good for the cipher.

  167. Pete says:

    Who quotes Bill O’Reilly?

  168. Essex says:

    171. Yeah there are no affluent African Americans or Democrats. Only Republicans can be job creators. The outcome of the election is still undecided, but I can tell you that it’s purely moronic banter like that which kills the GOPs chances with anyone carrying around a brain in their head.

  169. Juice Box says:

    Jesse Jackson Jr wins…..

  170. Essex says:

    177. It was pity sex.

  171. Fast Eddie says:


    He’s right. Regardless of who said it, the statement is true.

  172. Pete says:

    Possibly, but he’s wrong quite a bit too. You do realize there a quite a bit of people who voted O who dont get entitlements and vice versa.

  173. Fast Eddie says:


    I understand but just look at the face of the nation now as opposed to 30 or 40 years ago. Change is fine, it’s inevitable but we’re becoming a country of simpletons.

  174. Fabius Maximus says:

    #168 Essex

    The TeaParty is not over. At this point, there will be a few recriminations over the election, but overall nothing has changed. Mitt will get burnt which is to be expected, but the party springs harder right. We tried the moderate now let the dogs out!

  175. Fast Eddie says:

    12 hour work day today, another tomorrow. Congrats, your guy won. Good night all.

  176. hello!,I like your writing very a lot! share we keep up a correspondence extra approximately your post on AOL? I need a specialist on this house to unravel my problem. May be that is you! Taking a look ahead to peer you.

  177. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Eddie becoming a nation of simpletons I think we are already there.

    Caljn you think I’m rooting for Romney that is funny. I’m rooting for chairman o to lose. I would have turned on Romney on Jan 20 2013. They are both statists we are screwed no matter who is in office.

  178. Essex says:

    181. I don’t know what is worse for ya buddy living in a state that you seem to be at odds with or in this changing Country which seems to make you unhappy. You should really relocate to a yurt somewhere. You could prolly telecommute.

  179. schabadoo says:

    Big night for Nate Silver.

  180. Essex says:

    OHIO comes through for the President.

  181. Fabius Maximus says:

    OH goes to O and its game over.

    Lib, I have to go through the old posts, but I called this Oct 2008 and I had to sit through all the Coolidge, maybe he won’t seek re-election BS and more.

    Lets be clear here, this is not down to O winning, this is a GOP FUBAR. O has the mandate so STFU and look for credible opposition, unless you get that you will be beating your head off concrete.

  182. reinvestor101 says:


    This is total bullspit. Sarah should have been at the top of the damn ticket and should have far the hell more visible. ROMNEY SCREWED US!!!!!

  183. Ernest Money says:

    It’s on Amerika’s tortured brow
    That Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow
    Now the workers have struck for fame
    ‘Cause Lennon’s on sale again

    See the mice in their million hordes
    From Ibiza to the Norfolk broads
    Rule Britannia is out of bounds
    To my mother, my dog, and clowns

    But the film is a saddening bore
    ‘Cause I wrote it ten times or more
    It’s about to be writ again
    As I ask you to focus on

    Sailors fighting in the dance hall
    Oh man! Look at those cavemen go
    It’s the freakiest show

    Take a look at the Lawman
    Beating up the wrong guy
    Oh man! Wonder if he’ll ever know
    He’s in the best selling show
    Is there life on Mars?

  184. joyce says:


    How the fcuk is Obama the firefighter in your analogy? He has signed all the reauthorizations as well as currently fights in court FOR the indefinite detention provisions recently signed into law? Why can’t you hold him to the same standards as others?


    The only thing wrong with your post is that Obama is not trying to clean up anything. He has extended all of Bush and Darth Vaders horrific and unlawful policies.

    What the fcuk is wrong with you people? How are you so blind?

  185. Fabius Maximus says:

    #189 redux

    Note that last comment was not directed at anyone in particular.

    It would be nice if we all said the election is over now lets move on! After 2008, I know I have to listen to the moaning and complaints for the next 4 years.

  186. Ernest Money says:

    gluteus (189)-

    Beating your head off concrete (or, beating off in general) is the province of Arsenal fans.

    “O has the mandate so STFU and look for credible opposition, unless you get that you will be beating your head off concrete.”

  187. Ernest Money says:

    Bojangles won the most important swing state- and a second term- by hiring an intellectual thug (Rattner) who violated bankruptcy law in order to bail out an industry that will soon fail and require an even bigger bailout than the one that came before.

    We are well and truly fuct. The rule of law is gone, goodbye…

  188. Jason says:

    O wins, USA loses.

  189. Ernest Money says:

    Lookit this bitch Elizabeth Warren. She seemed for real, but I don’t think she should even be allowed to pump gas. Just another lying sack of shit politician.

  190. Ernest Money says:

    Can we just start the next civil war tomorrow? I sure as hell want to shoot somebody.

  191. joyce says:

    Goldman et al wins… USA loses

  192. Ernest Money says:

    I would be just as pissed if the Rethug cult leader had won.

  193. Ernest Money says:

    Goldman always wins. The turgid kabuki we’ve been watching the past two years has been staged with their ill-gotten loot.

  194. Jason says:


    Who cares about GS, our freedom is being eroded before our eyes.

  195. Ernest Money says:

    Whoa. Liz Warren is an Amerikan Indian. At least she is when it suits her agenda.

  196. Ernest Money says:

    jason (202)-

    All semblance of personal freedom died about 40 years ago.

  197. Jason says:

    Ernest, no mistaking it, just look at her high cheekbones!

  198. joyce says:

    How long have our freedoms been eroding? (Hint: much much longer than 4 years)

  199. Ernest Money says:

    Some fat bitch is telling me it’s an “electoral rout” via my cathode ray suicide device.

    All hail the winner!

  200. Jason says:

    Loss of freedom is accelerating these past 4 years. The new taxes about to be imposed will be mind-boggling. For example, fat tax, sugar tax, carbon tax, bmi tax, calorie tax, vat tax etc. etc. etc. etc. Just wait and see…

  201. joyce says:

    And you think the red team will stop it? Please share whatever you’re smoking…

  202. Jason says:

    They absolutely what have put on the brakes. Now it is full steam ahead…

  203. joyce says:

    The same congress that voted for Patriot Act, NDAA, Med Part D, TARP, all the horrible ‘Free Trade’ agreements… yup, let’s put our faith in them.

  204. Jason says:

    Joyce, if you like the direction O has taken us, then get ready for a whole lot more smiles…

  205. joyce says:

    Read anything I’ve ever posted and take your b.s. and shove it.

  206. Hoodwinked says:

    Joyce, Obama also voted for the Patriot Act:

    If the country had a functioning free press, people would know this.

  207. joyce says:


    see post (213)

  208. Fabius Maximus says:

    #194 Clot

    You taking the other side of us making the last 16?

  209. Fabius Maximus says:

    #195 Clot,

    I think Trump is looking for your cell number.

  210. Fabius Maximus says:

    #192 Joyce

    Go read up, work out the timeline, and then we can discuss when the 4th went under the bus. From that point we can try and work out how to restore it.

  211. joyce says:

    You’re phenomenal at using a lot of words to not answer. You should run for office.

  212. reinvestor101 says:

    Romney shouldn’t concede shlt. Hell, I’d wait till the damn first of the year to concede if I ever conceded.

  213. Hoodwinked says:

    Joyce, your failure to acknowledge the fact that Obama voted for the Patriot Act is duly noted.

  214. joyce says:

    Are you retarded?

    I said that countless times and also acknowledge he’s been worse than Team Red. Are you capable of believing that some people do not like either Team Red or Blue?

  215. joyce says:

    Why do people lose all common sense when it comes to politics?

    ‘War is an extension of politics by other means?’
    (the way it should have been phrased)

  216. Pete says:

    Is it too late to release the whitey tape?

  217. Rattner's Mom says:

    Now you people leave my boy alone. He’s a good boy! Always so smart. And so kind to his mother. You people are just mean.

  218. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    4 more years of it still being George Bush’s fault.

  219. Ernest Money says:

    joyce (222)-

    I’m with you. I can’t stand either party, and most of the people I know just assume I drink blue team koolaid.

    Bojangles = Romney in blackface

  220. can i AX a question? says:

    is Romney viable for 2016?

  221. freedy says:

    This Country is a lost cause . Most Americans are just so stupid and getting worse

  222. Essex says:

    229. Look on the bright side. You have something to complain about for the next several years other than real estate.

  223. Mikewaited says:

    can i AX 228 No way they will put mittens out there again, he had his shot.
    Me thinks the fat man (CC) will run, but a lot could happen in four years.

  224. jcer says:

    The thing that astounds me is yes even though they are the same and Romney is a bad candidate that Americans don’t see through obama. After all of his lies and the obvious pass the media has given him, in what rational nation could this man be elected again! I don’t like it when a man speaks with such conviction and outright lies to my face when he tells me he is different and not a liar, you know hope and change. If he was George Bush with a liberal agenda, I’d hate him and Bush the same. I hate Obummer even more, don’t preach that you are different and have this whole media spectacle when you are a trumped up corrupt Chicago politician. One question how can the American public be so blind first 8 years of an idiot who used cocaine, never worked a day in his life, inexperienced hack and now 8 years for a guy who used cocaine, never really worked a day in his life, inexperienced hack. Also the media basically gave both the 43 and 44th president a pass. I knew this was inevitable, once the powers that be decide who will be president, the media gets the job done and most Amerikans are too dumb to realize they are being manipulated. My thoughts were yes to even get the nomination you have to kiss the ring but the fear was that Romney would have been more independent and would not have been dominated like the Manchurian Candidate sitting in the whitehouse today.

  225. Mikewaited says:

    Up folks new thread, our new dad is awake.

  226. freedy says:

    Major development from this election cycle is the news anchors finally dropped all pretense of impartiality. Last night they wore jerseys.

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