They will return … to higher prices?

From Bloomberg:

Jersey Shore’s Lure to Homebuyers Seen Surviving Hurricane Sandy

Danea Kelly made her first shopping trip for a New Jersey shore vacation home on the Saturday before Hurricane Sandy made landfall. It won’t be her last.

While Kelly, 41, decided she no longer wants property directly on the ocean, the storm may open up new opportunities.

“You take your chances anytime you get involved with real estate,” said Kelly, who is house-hunting with her brother in North Wildwood, which dodged the worst of the Oct. 29 storm that tore apart the boardwalk in Atlantic City, 40 miles (65 kilometers) up the coast. “We may now have less competition from other buyers and it might steer some people who have lived down there a long time, who may decide, ‘It’s time for me to sell.’”

Real estate markets on the Jersey Shore will suffer in the wake of Sandy, which inflicted as much as $50 billion of business and property losses and caused at least 100 deaths in the U.S. In the hardest-hit communities, rebuilding of bridges, roads, dunes and homes will take months or even years. Home construction and insurance costs will probably rise.

While it will take time for buyers to regain confidence after the storm and last year’s Hurricane Irene exposed the vulnerabilities of oceanfront property, they will return, as they did to storm-wracked beaches in Florida, North Carolina and Texas, said Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors.

“The allure of having an oceanfront property is just too great,” Yun said in a telephone interview from Washington. “People recognize that there are bad natural-disaster events and they just cross their fingers and hope it doesn’t happen to them.”

When house-hunters come back, they’ll compete for a reduced supply of undamaged homes with higher asking prices, according to Yun. Rebuilt properties will feature costly upgrades such as sturdier roofs and wind-resistant windows, which also may push up resale prices.

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139 Responses to They will return … to higher prices?

  1. All Hype - Mr. Oil, Mr. Gas, Mr. Coal says:

    First and good morning to all!

  2. grim says:

    From the Record:

    N.J. storm victims scrambling to find rental homes

    Irene Cramer threaded her Mercury Mountaineer around fallen branches, slowing down in front of a squat white ranch to see if, maybe, it could be the temporary home she is desperate to find.

    Cramer and her husband, Tommy, left their home in Lavallette, N.J., on a barrier island, ahead of Superstorm Sandy. The Cramers do not know how much damage their home sustained. Because the island and its infrastructure were devastated, they are looking for a long-term rental.

    “We have no other choice,” Irene Cramer said.

    Thousands of New Jersey residents displaced by Superstorm Sandy are frantically calling real estate offices, looking to rent a home or apartment while they figure out what to do about their storm-ravaged homes. Others are joining waiting lists at hotels filled with evacuees and out-of-state utility workers.

    Demand, real estate agents said, far outstripped supply. Much of the region’s copious summer rental stock is not listed this time of year, and properties on the beach may be damaged or inaccessible. The winter housing stock is much smaller, and months-long rentals of vacation homes are virtually unheard of. And the prices of rentals changes with each season.

    “The number of people who need homes now is much greater than what all of the companies have combined is available,” said John Meechan, a broker with Diane Turton Realtors in Point Pleasant Beach, N.J. The company has 16 offices in Monmouth and Ocean counties.

    There are 961 rentals currently available in Monmouth and Ocean counties, said Al Veltri of Veltri Realtors and president of the Monmouth County Association of Realtors. The number is active, Veltri said, and because agents don’t automatically removed a filled listing the number could be significantly less than listed.

    Renters were being urged to take what they could get. Agents were contacting owners of vacant homes for sale, asking whether they would be willing to rent them out for a few months.

    “We’ve been going crazy,” said Ken Parker, an agent with Century 21 Nifoussi Realty in Toms River, N.J. “Any time a rental comes on the market, within hours it has multiple offers on it, for the obvious reasons. We’re doing everything we can to help these people. We’re all in the same boat down here.”

    Others plunked down cash, choosing to buy a house, live in it temporarily, and rent or sell it later.

  3. Brian says:

    I do hope the Shore towns affected by the storm recover swiftly. I look forward to my summer vacations down there every year.

  4. njescapee says:

    How Rich New Yorkers And Californians Could Get Hosed In A Fiscal Cliff Deal

    a note, Morgan Stanley economist David Greenlaw explains how this works:

    …When preparing their returns, taxpayers may choose the standard deduction or they may itemize and deduct certain expenses (including state and local taxes, mortgage interest, charitable contributions, and some medical expenses) to determine their taxable income. Taxpayers benefit from itemizing when their itemized deductions exceed the amount of the standard deduction. Note that for some types of expenses (such as medical expenses), only the amount that exceeds a given percentage of the taxpayer’s adjusted gross income may be deducted. So, there is already a limitation imposed on certain types of deductions. But, with all other deductions, the benefit of itemizing increases with a taxpayer’s marginal tax rate. For instance, $10,000 in deductions reduces tax liability by $1,500 for someone in the 15 percent tax bracket but by $2,800 for someone in the 28 percent tax bracket.

    So how does this actually affect individuals?

    Reverting to pre-Bush tax rates on incomes above $250,000 – as the President and many Democrats have long advocated – would raise about $1 trillion over the next ten years. In order to achieve approximately the same amount of deficit reduction, the limitation on deductions would have to be set at 15%. In other words, taxpayers in marginal tax brackets above 15% would lose some of the benefit of their itemized deductions. Obviously, such a change would have the greatest impact on taxpayers in high brackets with a lot of deductions. In particular, the limitation on deductions would hit taxpayers in high tax states – such as NY and California – particularly hard.

    Because state and local taxes are deductible, limiting deductions really creams rich taxpayers in places with high taxes.

    And unfortunately, this probably reduces the odds of a deal, given how much clout people in both of those states.

    Recommended For You

    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/morgan-stanley-explains-how-rich-new-yorkers-and-californians-could-get-really-screwed-in-a-fiscal-cliff-deal-2012-11#ixzz2C0zAt5oJ

  5. chicagofinance says:

    I am so physically exhausted….two full days of sawing, clipping and carrying detritus and the only break was to watch the Jets…… 1.3 acres :( …..I need a smaller RENTAL

  6. Mikewaited says:

    Sorry guys cry me a river at over 4 grand a week, live small & you will have plenty of money for retirement, kids college etc. As you all know I am strongly against taking one mans fruits from hard work to give to another, but it ain’t the end of the world either if you get hit a little harder. There will be taxes we live in a modern society & things everyone expects must get payed for ( now a guy I know firemen retiring at 48 for life with medical & a NICE pension is pushing it I agree & then some). We all chaff at that kind of stuff, but the majority of working people do not make that kid of scratch, so do not expect them to storm the ramparts when they would pay the tax happily to be pulling in that kind of money. I get it it’s yours you earned just don’t go all crying the blues when it hits and I bet it will, just call Nom.

  7. chicagofinance says:

    yeah right…..

    When house-hunters come back, they’ll compete for a reduced supply of undamaged homes with higher asking prices, according to Yun.

  8. Mikewaited says:

    Chi you call watching the Jets a break, man you are really into pain.

  9. Mikewaited says:

    Chi no matter WHAT happens it leads to higher prices just go ask Yun, did you truly expect him to spin it any other way.

  10. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [6] mike,

    Yup. There’s things you should be doing. Be more, seem less.

    The effective tax rate on my law earnings in 2011 was zero. Will be the same for 2012. Not a heavy lift as the practice did not net much. No dodging, no cheating, and nothing exotic. Of course, those taxes are largely deferred, not avoided, so it isn’t that much of a victory.

  11. chicagofinance says:

    FABMAX CAN SUCK MY AD HOMINEM ATTACK……

    Shale Boom to Turn U.S. Into World’s Largest Oil Producer, Watchdog Says
    By BENOÎT FAUCON

    LONDON—A shale oil boom means the U.S. will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s largest oil producer by 2020, a radical shift that could profoundly transform not just the world’s energy supplies, but also its geopolitics, the International Energy Agency said Monday.

    In its closely watched annual World Energy Outlook, the IEA, which advises industrialized nations on their energy policies, said the global energy map “is being redrawn by the resurgence in oil and gas production in the United States.”

    The assessment is in contrast with last year, when it envisioned Russia and Saudi Arabia vying for the top position.

    “By around 2020, the United States is projected to become the largest global oil producer” and overtake Saudi Arabia for a time, the agency said. “The result is a continued fall in U.S. oil imports (currently at 20% of its needs) to the extent that North America becomes a net oil exporter around 2030.”

    This major shift will be driven by the faster-than-expected development of hydrocarbon resources locked in shale and other tight rock that have just started to be unlocked by a new combination of technologies called hydraulic fracturing.

    According to Washington’s Energy Information Administration, U.S. oil production has increased 7% to 10.76 million barrels a day since the IEA’s last outlook a year ago. The agency’s conclusions are partly backed by the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which last week acknowledged for the first time that shale oil would significantly diminish its share of the U.S. market.

    The group said the U.S. would import less than 2 million barrels a day in 2035, almost three-quarters less than it does today. That is not to say OPEC’s role will be marginalized globally. The group’s share of global production will increase from 42% today to 50% in 2035, with much of it going to Asia, according to the IEA.

    The IEA hinted that newly found U.S. energy independence could redefine military alliances, with Washington being replaced by Asian nations as those needing to secure oil shipping lanes.

    “It accelerates the switch in direction of international oil trade towards Asia, putting a focus on the security of the strategic routes that bring Middle East oil to Asian markets,” it said. Some in the U.S. are already questioning the reasons for keeping U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf. “It’s insane that we have the Fifth Fleet of the U.S. Navy tied up there to protect oil that ends up in China and Europe,” T. Boone Pickens, chief executive of energy-focused hedge fund BP Capital Management, was quoted as saying last week in U.S. magazine Parade.

    The IEA also warned that the emergence of shale gas as a game changer in global energy has a downside risk, contributing to increased competition for water resources needed for energy projects.

    Shale oil and gas are extracted by pumping water, sand and chemicals into the ground at high pressure to crack rocks open, a process known as hydraulic fracturing, or “fracking.” But the intensive use of water, “will increasingly impose additional costs,” and could “threaten the viability of projects” for shale oil and gas, and biofuels, the agency said.

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [5] chi,

    No, you need a landscape service.

    Hell, I enjoy doing that stuff but I won’t do as much as you are.

    Besides, aren’t you worried that the neighbors will see you tending your own yard? I thought that simply isn’t done in Colts Neck?

  13. seif says:

    someone asked me to repost this:

    seif says:
    November 10, 2012 at 10:49 am
    gawdamn left-wing blogs! can you believe this???!!!

    the way left leaning RED STATE (oh…wait…it is far right!) is saying that conservative media and consultants lied and scammed the right wing and the romney campaign!!!!!! damn communists!!!

    http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/campaign-sources-the-romney-campaign-was-a-consultant-con-job/

    there are plenty of these articles from the right out there now…yet some of the lemmings refuse to look in the mirror

  14. Brian says:

    You’re crazy. What’s the point of renting then? Make the landlord do that sh1t.

    5.chicagofinance says:
    November 12, 2012 at 8:59 am
    I am so physically exhausted….two full days of sawing, clipping and carrying detritus and the only break was to watch the Jets…… 1.3 acres :( …..I need a smaller RENTAL

  15. seif says:

    Pain – Twist is one of my favorites as well. Check out ‘The Fukuoka Twist” on Live Phish Volume 4…perhaps the best “Twist” out there. Then this from last year:

    http://vimeo.com/44583444

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Ouch. Cramer on Best Buy: “one more retailer that has no reason for living.”

  17. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [14] Brian,

    On large rentals, landscaping is often on the tenants. I am renting 13 acres. The landlord won’t even cut hay in what are “my” fields even though I don’t want the hay. I may turn a little of it and plant something else this spring.

  18. seif says:

    landscaping is fully covered in my rental

  19. All Inn says:

    Reasons why the Roman (American) empire fell:

    The Government was constantly threatened by bankruptcy. The failing economy and heavy taxation was one reason why the Roman (American) Empire fell. The flow of gold (manufacturing, outsourcing, dollars) to the orient (China) to pay for goods led to a shortage of gold to put in Roman (American) coins. Roman (American) currency was devalued to such an extent that a system of bartering returned (2025?) to one of the greatest civilizations the world had ever known.

    Cheap slave labor (Mexicans) in turn resulted in the unemployment of the the people of Rome (America) who became dependent on hand-outs from the state (Obamanation). The Romans (Americans) attempted a policy of unrestricted trade (hmmm…) but this led to working class Romans (Americans) being unable to compete with foreign trade. The government were therefore forced to subsidize the working class Romans (Yes We Can!) to make up the differences in prices. This resulted in thousands of Romans (Americans) choosing just to live on the subsides (hmmm….) sacrificing their standard of living with an (American) idle life of ease. The massive divide between the rich and the poor increased still further.

    If the thousands of unemployed Romans (Americans) became bored, this led to civil unrest and rioting (Occupy Movement) in the streets. The ‘Mob’ needed to be amused – the gladiatorial games (entitlements) had to be provided. The cost of the gladiatorial games (entitlements) was born by the Emperor (Obama), and therefore the state, and corrupt politicians who sponsored the games to curry favor and support with the ‘Mob’ (Obama supporters). The cost of the gladiatorial games (entitlements) eventually came to one third of the total income of the Empire.

    Also, the values, the ideals, customs, traditions and institutions, of the Romans (Americans) declined. The basic principles, standards and judgments about what was valuable (pro choice) or important in life also declined. The total disregard for humanity resulted in a lack of ethics (weed and condoms for all!!) – a perverted view of what was right and wrong, good and bad, desirable and undesirable. Any conformity to acceptable rules or standards of human behaviour were being lost.

  20. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [14] Brian – What Nom said in [17] is spot on. I had a nice rental in Long Island way back in the mid 90’s where I had a landscaper who did all that type of stuff, but it was stipulated in the lease exactly which landscaper I had to use and he was paid out of my pocket. At the lease signing the landlord sprang that one on me and I asked how much it ran a month and IIRC, he said something like $175/month, which seemed reasonable for an acre with a lot of plantings. After a few months where there were cost over-runs (seeding, fertilizing, fall clean-up) which all added significantly over teh $175 base, I called up my LL and renegotiated where I would continue to pay Schultzie the landscaper, but I would deduct anything over and above $175 from the rent. When you rent a nice property it’s always give and take in a good relationship. I cleaned the gutters and did other general maintenance, my LL paid to have the deck power-washed and re-stained, etc. He also left me a lot of furniture to use as well as a nice grill(it was his home and the family moved to Arizona) and I did some maintenance on the grill out of my own pocket. When we moved out he let me keep a bedroom set (It’s still in our home today) and the grill.

  21. njescapee says:

    Are you Pat Buchanan? All Inn says:
    November 12, 2012 at 9:53 am
    Reasons why the Roman (American) empire fell:

  22. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    seif – It’s covered by a portion of your monthly rent, kind of like people who need a monthly budget plan for their heat because they don’t have enough savings to cover the higher heating bills in the winter. On my rental that I spoke about above, I guess I could boast that I received a “Holiday Landscaping Cost Reduction” as I didn’t have to pay the landscaper in December, January, or February. I also enjoyed a Spring and Summer heating oil cost reduction.

    seif says:
    November 12, 2012 at 9:38 am

    landscaping is fully covered in my rental

  23. seif says:

    22 – “landscaping is fully covered” was hardly a “boast.” didn’t seem like it could be the start of a pissing contest but I guess I was wrong :( thanks for putting me in my place!

    I was simply stating that it was written into my lease. I still get out there and blow leaves, make mulch, cut branches, plant grass, etc…but it is only because I enjoy doing it.

  24. yome says:

    #4 I dont get that article.If the Bush tax cuts never happen same people complaining about the taxes reverting to Bush era today will be paying the same.Unless limiting deductions happened after the Bush tax cut and this dont revert.

  25. Ernest Money says:

    Lawrence Yun should be crucified on television, with the nails driven into his hands and feet with a pneumatic gun.

  26. Ernest Money says:

    plume (12)-

    Chi should leave all the debris where it sits, call the landlord, and tell him to clean it the f*^k up.

  27. Ernest Money says:

    plume (17)-

    Plant some ganga.

  28. Brian says:

    I’d be happy to provide joy to you….Plenty of leaves left on my lawn. Bring a rake.

    I guess my Sister-in-law got a pretty good deal. The place we just moved her into is small but the landlord does all the repairs/maintenance/gutters/landscaping etc. Plus, he just put in a new gas hot water heater and furnace and pays the gas bill too.

    All she has to do is sit on her butt while the landscaper cleans up the yard and mows the lawn etc.

    23.seif says:
    November 12, 2012 at 10:29 am
    22 – “landscaping is fully covered” was hardly a “boast.” didn’t seem like it could be the start of a pissing contest but I guess I was wrong :( thanks for putting me in my place!

    I was simply stating that it was written into my lease. I still get out there and blow leaves, make mulch, cut branches, plant grass, etc…but it is only because I enjoy doing it.

  29. seif says:

    28 – use a match

  30. Mikewaited says:

    Nom 17 find a local farmer, hay brings in good bucks as horses must be fed for winter where I am. Just let him take the hay & he will take care of the fields for you.

  31. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    High-level officials at the US Federal Bureau of Investigation and Justice Department were notified in the late northern summer that FBI agents had uncovered what appeared to be an extramarital affair involving the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Mr Petraeus, it has emerged.

    But law enforcement officials did not notify anyone outside the FBI or the Justice Department until last week because the investigation was incomplete and initial concerns about possible security breaches, which would demand more immediate action, did not appear to be justified, officials said. there was an election coming up, stupid.

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/fbi-trod-warily-over-exposing-cia-chiefs-extramarital-affair-with-his-biographer-20121112-298d2.html

  32. Juice Box says:

    re: # 31 – You’d think he would have been extra careful being the Top Spy and all. Looking through emails is pretty low-tech compared to some of the things the FBI can do today like TrapWire and it’s new biometric system that can identify you by mug shots, iris scans, DNA samples, voice recordings, and even old fashioned finger prints.

  33. Brian says:

    29 – Thanks. you don’t have to tell me to use a match around my SIL’s butt. I already know.

  34. NJGator says:

    2+ hour commutes into NYC today. They are actually offloading passengers from the buses in the Lincoln Tunnel instead of the PABT. How long is that MidTOWN Direct commute, Sue Adler?

  35. 3B Buying says:

    #7 chgo: It appears evenwhen it is bad in real estate, it is somehow good.

  36. Brian says:

    Another reason why I think basements, especially finished basements suck.

    Sandy victim faces insurance nightmare

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/12/pf/insurance/sandy-flood-insurance/index.html?iid=Lead

    “The Bediners carry both homeowners and flood insurance, which is issued by FEMA’s National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) and required of homeowners in flood-prone areas. In theory, it’s a lot of protection. But in practice, it can be very little.

    His homeowner’s insurance policy from Liberty Mutual doesn’t cover flooding, just damage caused by high winds. Two days ago, the adjuster came by to inspect the home. The offer: A mere $5,045 for wind damage to the stucco exterior and garage door.

    Bediner’s meeting with the flood insurance adjuster was even worse: Most of the repairs — the walls, ceilings, floors and the ruined office equipment in his downstairs office — would be not be covered by his flood insurance policy. The adjuster said he won’t be able to give him an exact figure for a couple of weeks but told him not to anticipate much. ”

    “A big part of the problem for Bediner and other victims of Superstorm Sandy is that NFIP’s flood insurance does not cover any upgrades done to basements. Any finished walls, floors and ceilings or personal belongings that get destroyed while in a basement won’t be covered.

    The only claims the policy will honor for basement damage are for things required to run the household, like furnaces, as well as structural elements, like stairways and the foundation.

    “The adjuster said we would not get a penny for the ground floor except [to repair] the heating and AC,” said Bediner. “

  37. POS cape says:

    What I learned from Gen. Petraeus, Elliott Spitzer, Mark Sanford, et. al…
    If you’re going to flush your career and marraige down the cr@pper, go for the gusto! Consequences are the same whether you do it with Phyllis Diller or Jennifer Lopez, so might as well go “All In”.

  38. seif says:

    RINO!!!!!

    Joe Scarborough:

    “If I were a donor, my biggest problem would be that I was lied to. I was lied to by the, as David Frum said, the conservative entertainment establishment. I mean, the conservative media establishment. They lied to the donors, they lied to the base, they lied to everybody about how Romney was ahead and things were looking good in the Senate. The pollsters lied. Everybody lied! And so guys keep writing checks and find out the reason they went to Minnesota and Pennsylvania is because all of these people that were saying Romney was going to win Ohio, they knew he was not going to win Ohio. They knew all along!”

  39. Ernest Money says:

    gator (34)-

    Sue Adler should be the bait in a televised bear-baiting show.

  40. Ernest Money says:

    They knew how to deal with people like Sue back in 13th century England.

  41. Ernest Money says:

    juice (38)-

    Gives a whole new meaning to tickle me, Elmo.

  42. Ernest Money says:

    Didn’t some fundamentalist nut call Bert & Ernie gay?

  43. Libtard in the City says:

    This election ended in 2008. Enough already.

    On the topic of helping out the landlord, it sometimes pays huge benefits. My former tenants of 7 years upgraded their unit in many ways. I would always pay for the materials and they would provide the labor for free. In return for their efforts, I rarely raised the rent and when I did, I was more than fair. I know what landscaping costs. It’s a huge ripoff. Now I have two tenants who don’t know how to turn a screw. I pay $150 per month year round for mowing and a fall and spring cleanup. After the storm, I had to repair my gutters, the gazebo stake a small tree among a few other things. They don’t clean the gazebo either which is their loss. When rent time comes around, I will be raising it to whatever the standard increase is in town. If they lifted a rake and swung a hammer for an hour a week, I would probably save them $100 per month. In the future, will aim for ‘handy’ tenants. What a difference that makes. Also had to clear a drain twice in this time.

  44. chicagofinance says:

    clot: you for a fact know I have a good deal; I just try to manage the relationship; I am in year 4 of the contract, the first three at the price you know, we agreed to kick it up another 10% for 2012 to 2014, we will renegotiate then……judging by his comments, he wants to walk away broken-even on his purchase price and upgrades. He will need the market to rise about 30% from here, so I assume I am safe until 2019-2020 area unless he tries to gouge us. He thinks about everything on a cash flow basis and he paid off the mortgage, so his calculus is pretty straightforward…..

    Ernest Money says:
    November 12, 2012 at 10:37 am
    plume (12)- Chi should leave all the debris where it sits, call the landlord, and tell him to clean it the f*^k up.

  45. Ernest Money says:

    All this goes to show that the only cartoon character you can trust is the Hamburglar.

  46. chicagofinance says:

    I am trying to set an example for my kids. My 6 yo son is out there with me, although he fits in baseball, basketball and also weather forecasting. My daughter brought out a pair of kids scissors and started cutting leaves off of the flowers and bushes.

    seif says:
    November 12, 2012 at 10:29 am
    22 – “landscaping is fully covered” was hardly a “boast.” didn’t seem like it could be the start of a pissing contest but I guess I was wrong :( thanks for putting me in my place!

    I was simply stating that it was written into my lease. I still get out there and blow leaves, make mulch, cut branches, plant grass, etc…but it is only because I enjoy doing it.

  47. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Chi that US Oil production article is pure fantasy. We consume 18m bpd and they are predicting us producing max 10m bpd out of Bakken and that is out of wells that last a few years max.

  48. Ernest Money says:

    chi (45)-

    I know; I just like the thought of underwater landlords taking it in the buttocks.

  49. Doyle says:

    Gator, 4+ hours for a few in my office… 730a bus, 1130a arrival. I was lucky enough to have to go to my son’s school in the AM, heard what was going on and drove in. Over the GWB and parked on the west side in 35 mins from BC.

  50. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    Petraeus’ wife looks 20 years older than him.

  51. chicagofinance says:

    That is so witty. Thank you…took the edge off today.
    46.
    Ernest Money says:
    November 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm
    All this goes to show that the only cartoon character you can trust is the Hamburglar.

    46.
    Ernest Money says:

    November 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    All this goes to show that the only cartoon character you can trust is the Hamburglar.

  52. Libtard in the City says:

    I was on the bus with Gator this morning. Was pretty surreal when all of the bus drivers opened their doors right by the exit to the tunnel to let all of the passengers off. We really are all just ants. I just hope god doesn’t find a magnifying glass to play with.

  53. Ernest Money says:

    Better hope that if this awful commute continues one of those frustrated commuters isn’t carrying an AK.

  54. Ernest Money says:

    he (51)-

    Somebody should tell her that dining on your hubby’s testicles can shave years off your age.

  55. Ernest Money says:

    Where is jj when you really need him?

  56. seif says:

    Ants that say “bah, bah.”

    Libtard in the City says:
    November 12, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    “We really are all just ants.”

  57. Ernest Money says:

    “Romney and Obama may be as interchangeable as a pair of dice, but the former’s rhetoric that highlighted self-sufficiency was enough to turn off the majority of the voting public. With Obama’s reelection comes the onward march of American society’s degeneration into that of the lazy, bitter masses forever on the lookout to loot a hapless minority still trying to make an honest living. The coming brave new world will be filled to the brim with self-righteous individuals eager to shuffle around the Earth’s gifts to achieve some kind of equality. In the process, none of them will produce a lick of good outside of satisfying their own disturbed need to dominate. It will be rule of the inept over the capable. Barack Obama will lead the way. He will be replaced in four years with someone that follows the same doctrine. The collective age of the country will continue to collapse till it reaches just shy of an unclothed infant wailing for succor. Except it will be grown men doing the crying and no one around to feed him because the sensible among us has already left.

    The people have spoken and made it so.”

    http://mises.ca/posts/blog/why-president-obama-was-reelected/

  58. Anon E. Moose says:

    Money [56];

    Where is jj when you really need him?

    Now I don’t care who you are, that funny right there.

    Seriously, though, considering what I’ve heard from former neighbors, JJ may still be out of power.

    Read something today how Queens residents served by LIPA would need a NYC licensed electrician to certify their panel before power would be restored. And Nassau county licensees were not good enough for Nanny-in-Chief Mike. Because what’s important is that all these regulations are there to protect the people… protect them from getting power back, from beginning to rebuild their lives, from getting the feeling that they are NOT living in a country where third-world living conditions are acceptable.

  59. Confused in NJ says:

    Neighbor told me she voted for “O” because he gave her 2 years worth of unemployment benefits. Now I understand, although I still think she was better off 4 years ago with a job and benefits.

  60. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [49] clot – You might like the Hamburglar’s cousin then, the Salami Smuggler.

    chi (45)-

    I know; I just like the thought of underwater landlords taking it in the buttocks.

  61. Libtard in the City says:

    Ants that say “bah, bah.”

    Yes…exactly.

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  63. seif says:

    58 – great post! that is a perfect encapsulation of a someone whose worldview was completed rejected recently and instead of reflecting on perhaps where they were wrong in coming to that view…they dig their heels in and only look outward to place blame on everyone but themselves. glad you shared it. was it written by reinvestor101?

  64. Anon E. Moose says:

    Seif [64];

    someone whose worldview was completed rejected

    Calm down, Francis. It was 51%-48%.

  65. Jill says:

    Confused #60: There is no guarantee that she would have a job under a Mittens regime. She could just as easily be unemployed with NO unemployment compensation and then not be able to stimulate the economy at all. Assuming full unemployment under a greedy @sshole like RMoney is no different from the left assuming that this would be a nation of skittles and puppies with Obama’s election in 2008. There is no assurance that the Galtoids would not be similarly Galtoid under RMoney. When

    #22: I have a budget plan for heating oil not because I can’t afford the heating bills, but because I like to have a reasonably consistent budget from month to month.

  66. joyce says:

    Jill,

    The money given to people for extended unemployment (outside the paid for insurnace) comes from other people. There is no economic stimulus; it is a zero sum gain.

  67. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [66] something snarky OK

    #22: I have a budget plan for heating oil not because I can’t afford the heating bills, but because I like to have a reasonably consistent budget from month to month.

  68. Libtard in the City says:

    Joyce,

    I hear the same argument when one threatens to reduce the size of government. When threatened with this, the libs like to say, “Well there are no jobs in the private sector for them, so they’ll end up on unemployment.” Funny, the same libs were defending their higher rates of compensation by saying, “You need to compensate at a high levels to compete with the salaries in the private sector.”

    Ultimately, we’d be much better off getting more discretionary dollars into the hands of the middle class. They are the ones willing to spend them. You can do this by lowering taxes through reducing the size of government. Instead, the Border Collie has the sheep believing that paying people to work unnecessary jobs is somehow helping the middle class.

    Or that fracking is bad. Thanks for the crumbs Mr. Exxon and Mr. BP.

  69. Anon E. Moose says:

    Joyce [67];

    it is a zero sum gain.

    Only to the country as a whole. To the person cashing the checks its not, nor is it to the politicians and bureaucrats who dole out other people’s money via those checks. Those are the interested parties to the relevant political transaction – and both net benefit.

    Those of us who are relieved of the money to fund those checks are what is politely called “externalities” to that transaction. Alas, to us, in isolation, its not a zero-sum game either.

    To repeat, its only a zero-sum game to the country as a whole. But that’s not what they care about.

  70. Libtard in the City says:

    Actually, it’s a less than zero sum game as the bureaucracy needed to first collect the taxes and second, to create the unnecessary job is incredibly inefficient due to the lack of profit motive in the public sector. Social programs are definitely necessary for many things, but employing people who can’t find jobs in the private sector is just plain dumb and anti productive.

  71. Ernest Money says:

    seif (64)-

    Congratulations. You have perfected the art of writing like a spambot.

    “great post! that is a perfect encapsulation of a someone whose worldview was completed rejected recently and instead of reflecting on perhaps where they were wrong in coming to that view”

  72. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    Money,

    Any upcoming trips to D-town?

  73. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Jill Galtoids?

    believe me if there was a Galts gulch anywhere in these united states where I could live unencumbered by the Fedgov I would go there in a minute.

    As currently constituted the govemern takes from the productive to give to someone else. government neither creates or grows wealth of its own labor rather through the systemic robbery of the consenting populace in the name of the greater good.

    Welfare should be a help up not a lifestyle choice. Democrats talk fairness but provide no benefit in treating welfare receipients like children. There is no incentive to remove themselves from their situations as all their basic needs are provided and then some.

    Here is your perfect welfare recipient chairman O voter

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

    Unfortunately the whole country is partaking in envy and where’s mine politics. This goes for Republicans and Democrats. The difference between a Republican and Democrat Welfare recipient is absolutely nothing.

    So call me a Galtoid, The libertarian principles served this country well for about a 150 some odd years until 1913 and the Wilsonian progressive revolution. It was in those moments we were all sold as cattle. You just haven’t realized your are chop meat yet.

  74. Ragnar says:

    Actually it’s a negative sum game, long term, because incentives change from value creation to value destruction when you shift money from productive to unproductive. In the short term, it might not even be coming out of producers’ pockets. It’s magic government money getting bought by central banks. It’s primarily when government debt expansion ceases that there’s a reckoning, and the cannibals find out that they’ve run out of victims.

  75. Ragnar says:

    Libtard (71) I now see you corrected that first.
    Keynesians actually think it’s a positive sum game because of their imagined “multiplier effect” of wasteful spending toward those with “higher propensity to consume”, in the very short term.

  76. Ernest Money says:

    plume (73)-

    Not until well into next year.

  77. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Jill has a big Romney-head sized knot twisted up in her old lady bloomers today, judging by her Venom at Breakfast post.

  78. seif says:

    78 – no more so than you do:

    22- “I guess I could boast that I received a “Holiday Landscaping Cost Reduction” as I didn’t have to pay the landscaper in December, January, or February. I also enjoyed a Spring and Summer heating oil cost reduction.”

    when does your time machine leave to take you back to when people actually used the term “lady bloomers?”

  79. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    [79] not “lady bloomers”, “old lady bloomers”. Maybe you youngsters know them as “relaxed fit panties”.

  80. All Inn says:

    Though it worked splendidly, Obama’s strategy was not brilliantly crafted from the minds of experts. It was the same bread and circus routine employed by the Romans and applied to modern demographics that relish in a victim-like mentality.

    See post #19

  81. seif says:

    81 – get over yourself.

    This paragraph is satire, correct?
    “Also, the values, the ideals, customs, traditions and institutions, of the Romans (Americans) declined. The basic principles, standards and judgments about what was valuable (pro choice) or important in life also declined. The total disregard for humanity resulted in a lack of ethics (weed and condoms for all!!) – a perverted view of what was right and wrong, good and bad, desirable and undesirable. Any conformity to acceptable rules or standards of human behaviour were being lost.”

  82. seif says:

    81 – tell me: what is valuable and important in life?

  83. Punch My Ticket says:

    Just to demonstrate that a billion dollars and bugging out to a tropical paradise may not work out that well …

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/12/john-mcafee-anti-virus-murder-belize/1700155/

  84. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    Seif 83

    To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

  85. Essex says:

    84. Mark that place off the list.

  86. seif says:

    85 – funny…i would not know the quote offhand if it had not come up elsewhere the other day…Conan The Barbarian.

  87. Painhrtz - 42 says:

    correct and for that answer we will send you off to the liberal re-education camps last.

  88. chicagofinance says:

    FLABMAX CAN SUCK IT!

    OPINION
    November 11, 2012, 5:44 p.m. ET

    Muller and Daniels: The Fracker’s Guide to a Greener World

    Greenhouse-gas emissions are growing rapidly in the developing world. The only realistic alternative to this trend is natural gas.

    You may think that global warming is the biggest scam of all time, driven by politicians who want to scare you and scientists who love media attention and increased funding. Or you may think global warming is the greatest threat we face, and that if we don’t act immediately we’ll leave a tragic legacy for our children and grandchildren.

    One of us is a former skeptic, converted by his own research to the conviction that man-made carbon dioxide is the decisive factor in a real phenomenon of climate change. The other is agnostic, willing to be persuaded of human causality but rejecting as ineffective or counterproductive the anti-growth policies proposed by some alarmists. People like us—and all those struggling with the ambiguities of this highly uncertain topic—might come together around policies that make sense whatever the scientific facts ultimately prove to be.

    For the sake of argument, let’s begin by assuming that the United Nations evaluation is correct in arguing that global warming is real, caused by humans, and going to cause severe disruption to our economies and to our lives. Please bear with us even if you reject this claim; we’ll suggest actions that make sense regardless of your position.

    China’s yearly greenhouse-gas emissions first exceeded those of the United States in 2006, and by the end of this year the Chinese will be emitting twice as much as the Americans. This spectacular rise matches China’s economic growth and vast expansion of coal use. For the last seven years, China has been adding more than a gigawatt of new coal power each week, or more than 52 new gigawatts of additional capacity every year. (For comparison, New York City uses 10 gigawatts and isn’t increasing its use.) And we can expect Chinese economic and energy growth to continue.

    In the U.S., by contrast, emissions are at the lowest they’ve been for 20 years thanks largely to America’s continuing switch from coal to natural gas, which emits half as much carbon dioxide for each kilowatt hour of energy generated.

    This means that the future warming projected by the U.N. comes not from the U.S. (or from other developed countries) but primarily from China, India and the rest of the rapidly developing world.

    Assuming that the U.N. scenario is correct, the only hope for controlling China’s emissions is to reduce its coal growth—a challenge since coal is cheap, China has a great natural supply, and the Chinese currently derive nearly 70% of their electricity from coal.

    We suggest a dual approach: profitable conservation and rapid expansion of the natural-gas economy.

    The conservation we suggest is technological, meaning it wouldn’t depend on individual sacrifice or cultural change. Done right, this conservation can yield large returns on investment.

    Install better insulation, for example, and you can save on both heating and cooling. The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that close to half of American consumers could get back 100% of their investment over roughly five years. Utility commissions could link the revenue of utilities to their successful implementation of efficiency, as they have done with success in our home states, Indiana and California.

    Other ways to achieve profitable conservation include investing in “cool roofs” that reflect heat radiation. These can be cheaper and more efficient than installing solar cell collectors to generate power used by appliances such as air conditioners.

    Even more promising is the switch away from coal to natural gas, particularly in the developing world. Natural gas has the huge added advantage of causing far less local air pollution—the kind that, unlike carbon dioxide, is harmful to human health. Coal releases far higher levels of soot and other chemicals that are currently choking China.

    One of the factors slowing the world-wide switch to natural gas, however, is shortsighted opposition from some environmentalists in the U.S., Europe and beyond. They argue that extracting natural gas by hydraulic fracturing (“fracking”) may pollute local water supplies and leak the powerful greenhouse gas methane, and their arguments affect official and commercial thinking in both the developed and developing worlds.

    It is true that fracking has caused some limited, local pollution in the U.S., but this is attributable largely to the wildcatting behavior of the rapidly growing industry. Technology for clean fracking is technically straightforward, and government authorities can promote its use through careful monitoring and large fines for transgressions.

    Some environmentalists argue that the best approach to limiting greenhouse-gas emissions is to switch to “renewables.” But these energy sources are still far outside the budgets of the developing nations. China last year installed two gigawatts of solar capacity—but that is “peak” power representing only a clear midday when the sun is directly overhead. Average in nights and cloudy days, and the average power these plants can deliver is about 1/4 gigawatt. Meanwhile, China’s coal use grows at about 50 gigawatts per year, or 200 times faster than its solar growth. No realistic scenario foresees renewables making more than a marginal contribution in the developing world for many decades.

    The dual solution of profitable conservation (beloved by liberals) and clean fracking (touted by conservatives) may not fully satisfy either side. But we hope it can provide a middle ground on which political factions can come together.

    It is still conceivable that global warming isn’t caused by greenhouse gases, that the theory and the computer models are wrong, and that the match between the temperature curve and carbon-dioxide emissions is accidental. Even so, profitable conservation makes business sense, and a natural-gas economy would reduce smog and improve public health. It is worth facilitating China’s shift from coal to natural gas for humanitarian reasons alone.

    Mr. Muller, a professor of physics at the University of California, Berkeley, is the author of “Energy for Future Presidents” (Norton, 2012). Mr. Daniels, the governor of Indiana, will assume the presidency of Purdue University in January.

    A version of this article appeared November 12, 2012, on page A17 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: The Fracker’s Guide to a Greener World.

  89. Dissident HEHEHE says:

    JJ washed out to sea with the rest of the waste from DJAIS

  90. toomuchchange says:

    Front Page Story over at Huffington Post right now is ” Sandy Damage Amplified By Breakneck Development Of Coast.”

    It’s an lengthy story for them and includes some government storm surge maps.

    “Policymakers in New Jersey had their own warnings that a severe storm surge posed a major risk to the state’s densely populated coastline. In a series of reports over the past decade, the state’s Department of Environmental Protection warned in stark terms that increased risk of hurricanes from climate change, coupled with a continued population expansion along New Jersey’s coast, had set the stage for an enormously expensive disaster.

    For decades, critics pushed for greater scrutiny of new development by state and local officials along the New Jersey coastline. Yet new construction continued unabated, as state law requires only lenient reviews of smaller developments in coastal areas.

    “There’s plenty of information out there about the risk on the Jersey Shore,” said Ken Mitchell, a professor of geography at Rutgers University who has studied hurricane risks in New Jersey and throughout the world. “But it doesn’t seem to have reached deep enough in the public policy system to do anything to handle the magnitude of this storm.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/12/hurricane-sandy-damage_n_2114525.html#es_share_ended

  91. reinvestor101 says:

    >>>seif says:
    November 12, 2012 at 9:25 am

    someone asked me to repost this:

    seif says:
    November 10, 2012 at 10:49 am
    gawdamn left-wing blogs! can you believe this???!!!

    the way left leaning RED STATE (oh…wait…it is far right!) is saying that conservative media and consultants lied and scammed the right wing and the romney campaign!!!!!! damn communists!!!

    http://www.redstate.com/2012/11/09/campaign-sources-the-romney-campaign-was-a-consultant-con-job/

    there are plenty of these articles from the right out there now…yet some of the lemmings refuse to look in the mirror<<<

    NO ONE ASKED YOU TO REPOST THAT. You're a lying sniveling liberal dirtbag. YOU'RE THE DAMN COMMUNIST. THE ONLY REASON OBAMA WON THIS THING IS BECAUSE THERE WERE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO GOT PAST THE DAMN VOTER ID LAWS. HE CHEATED.

    I hate you. You probably wrote this crap at the link below and if you didn't you need to be detained anyway. Perhaps a little time in detention will change your mindset. Damn stinking liberal.

    http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09/letter-to-a-future-republican-strategist-regarding-white-people/

  92. Ragnar says:

    92. The best way to stop coastline development is to stop government from subsidizing insurance of those properties. And stop subsidizing mortgage issuers that finance same.
    Typical that people think instead of changing a flawed incentive structure, the cure is even more layers of government and regulation.
    And I’ll bet NJ government will spend lots of money subsidizing rebuilding things so they can wash away again.

    The US government was once about protecting people’s rights. Now it’s about protecting the stupid from their bad choices and the consequences.

  93. Ernest Money says:

    I’ll have some of what McAfee is smoking.

  94. Anon E. Moose says:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49774891

    >Ms. [Laura] Giangeruso, [mother of two girls, 4 weeks old and 7 years old, 42 and lives in Glen Ridge, N.J.,] who notes that last year, after the “Snowtober storm” on Halloween, her house was powerless for six days. “If we are talking in the neighborhood of $6,000, it is worth every dollar. If I could get it right now, I’d write a check,” she says. “The wives in this area don’t want jewelry for Christmas. They want generators.”This Milwaukee suburb [of Waukesha], once known for its curative spring waters and, more recently, for being a Republican stronghold in a state that President Obama won on Election Day, happens to be the home of one of the largest makers of residential generators in the country [including Generac].<

    Maybe Generac relocates to TX or LA when those states seceede, huh, Fab? You don't need them or the refineries, right?

  95. Anon E. Moose says:

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/49774891

    Ms. [Laura] Giangeruso, [mother of two girls, 4 weeks old and 7 years old, 42 and lives in Glen Ridge, N.J.,] who notes that last year, after the “Snowtober storm” on Halloween, her house was powerless for six days. “If we are talking in the neighborhood of $6,000, it is worth every dollar. If I could get it right now, I’d write a check,” she says. “The wives in this area don’t want jewelry for Christmas. They want generators.”

    Oh, and not to put too fine a point on the makers v. takers distinctions, but:

    This Milwaukee suburb [of Waukesha], once known for its curative spring waters and, more recently, for being a Republican stronghold in a state that President Obama won on Election Day, happens to be the home of one of the largest makers of residential generators in the country [including Generac].

    Maybe Generac relocates to TX or LA when those states seceede, huh, Fab? You don’t need them or the refineries, right?

  96. Hughesrep says:

    Any opinons on Honda Accords? Need a reliable sedan.

    I drive alot for work, 40K per year, so I trash them pretty quick.

    I usually buy something two years old and recycle every 4-5 years. Current car is at 260K and nickle and diming me on repairs.

    Anyone have a reliable site to value used cars. Everything I look at seems like its made for the auto dealers.

  97. grim says:

    Another reason why I think basements, especially finished basements suck.

    Who would finish a basement in a flood zone? I don’t get it, this is a surprise?

  98. Essex says:

    Just had the Allstate guy out to survey the roof damage interior ceiling damage. Very nice guy……

  99. reinvestor101 says:

    ok. Which one of you slipped a damn mickey in Bill Kristol’s coffee? I know some damn liberal did that to him to make him go against his will and say it’s okay to raise taxes. That’s bullspit.

    Let me tell you, that’s the bright line in the damn sand. That’s why the damn T-Party exists. Let’s get something damn straight, the entire damn T-Party will put on gasoline under-drawers and run through hell before we let you liberals raise our damn taxes. That’s what you’re up against liberals. Don’t believe us? Try it and see what the hell happens.

  100. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    This thread has become decidedly weird.

    And I was going to comment on this:
    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

    You’d think the folks in the newsroom would be able to spell “secession” by now.

  101. Ernest Money says:

    sx (101)-

    Was it the same guy who played the president on 24?

  102. joyce says:

    94
    Ragnar,

    Absolutely. As we all know, the wisest course of action for the government to take is usually “do nothing” … but then people might start to question why the huge swarms of beauracrats are needed in the first place.

    Now it’s (the government) about protecting the stupid from their bad choices and the consequences… and stealing, killing, harassing etc etc.

  103. southnj says:

    Any advice for RE problem:

    My son bought an old condo. He did not use buyer side agent but rather worked directly with seller’s agent. In paper, somebody from that agent’s office was buyer side agent.

    Closing got delayed a bit. When they finally got the keys and entered the condo, they found out nasty surprise: Notice from the HOA that “special assessment” meeting is planned the day before the closing.

    Extensive repairs are needed. Approximate cost is $15,000. HOA had done some studies and plans already. No disclosure was ever made.

    In old HOA meeting minutes (apparently not disclosed, but available in condo lobby),
    there were some vague references to meeting agenda “discussion about drainage project and special assessment”, but no details.

    My son asked about this from the seller side agent. According to him, seller was aware of these discussions but since no decisions were made, they did not think of disclosing this.

    Question to RE experts here: Is not disclosing this to the buyer acceptable, or is this an apparent violation ?

  104. joyce says:

    southnj,

    In a nutshell, yes. I would reopen negotiations immediately.

  105. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [103] redux

    Looks like the WH may actually have to reply to at least one secession post, or change its rules to avoid it.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/how-why/terms-participation

  106. joyce says:

    Comrade,

    Not that anything will come of it, I think the article was trying to be sensational saying ‘X number of states petition’ rather than accurately stating ‘individuals from X number of states…”

    That being said, one does not ask permission to secede, you just declare it.

  107. Ernest Money says:

    Secede with a bullet.

  108. Ernest Money says:

    south (107)-

    That’s a failure to disclose a material issue. Also, there is no seller or buyer agency possible when the transaction is done within the same company. Offering you an agent within the same office- who is not the listing agent- and telling you he’s your “buyer’s agent” is a violation that is punishable by forfeiture of the commission. The only possible type of agency in this situation is dual disclosed. It must be presented in writing to you (and acknowledged by your signature) BEFORE any offers are written. In addition, a dual disclosed agent CANNOT NEGOTIATE on either buyer or seller’s behalf.

  109. Ernest Money says:

    Love that the seller of that crapshack condo timed things out to unload his POS before the HOA put a special assessment in place.

    “No decisions had been made” is a crock of crap. Special assessments are levied almost 100% of the time when they are needed, as they are necessary to keep the HOA operating within its covenants or compliant with NJ DCA regulations.

  110. Ernest Money says:

    I used to deal with schmucks all the time who were on HOA boards. They’d blow out the reserve funds, defer maintenance, make all kinds of insider/sweetheart deals with service providers…then unload their units before TSHTF.

  111. Mikewaited says:

    southnj in case you are new Ernest owned his own RE office and was broker of record for many years, he knows his sh*t, his advice is gospel on your situation. We all know his background thought you should.

  112. joyce says:

    Ernest Money,

    May I ask you a real estate question?

    joyce.conway187@gmail.com

  113. chicagofinance says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-bsf2x-aeE
    Ernest Money says:
    November 12, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    I’ll have some of what McAfee is smoking.

  114. Mikewaited says:

    Joyce get grim to delete that e-mail, not safe.

  115. Mikewaited says:

    Not Ernest mind you (although some might disagree!) just putting it out there.

  116. zieba says:

    Capt’n Cheapo,
    A friendly reminder: American Express small business Saturday is November 24th. Last year, SBS was $25 near instantaneous $25 credit posted to each card (number not account) for any purchase over $25 at participating small businesses.

    Last year, I brought home $100 worth of booze for $25.

    Clot, do you take Amex and are you a qualifying location?

  117. seif says:

    reinvestor101 – thanks for the read. that was a good post, featuring this:

    Meanness- Your party is really mean, mocking and demonizing everyone who does not follow you into the pits of hell. You constantly imply – as Mitt Romney did in his “47% speech” – that anybody who disagrees with you does so not by logic or moral conviction, but because they are shiftless, lazy parasites who want “free stuff” from “traditional Americans.” Wow, you guys managed to follow up a stunning electoral defeat with insulting the very people you wish to attract for a majority in the political system! Brilliant! You are losing elections because being angry and defensive and just-plain-mean is more important than being smart and winning elections – and thus you deserve everything happening to you.

  118. Libtard at home says:

    Zieba,

    Was already in the calendar! Thanks though. Loves me some free stuff from the CC companies.

  119. McDullard says:

    Zieba/Stu:

    Seems like there is an enrollment that needs to be done — it will be open on Nov 18.

  120. Mikewaited says:

    seif maybe the truth was more important than getting votes, I know that will not stand in your way.

  121. joyce says:

    seif,

    The republican party is part of the two-headed one party criminal aparatus. That being said, why should one group that claims it has certain principles sacrifice them just to appease?

  122. Ernest Money says:

    mikey (119)-

    I just set joyce up for a lifetime of spambot attacks. ;)

  123. Ernest Money says:

    zieba (120)-

    We take AMEX, and I’m pretty sure we qualify.

  124. post. It appears I dont really clearly familiar with

  125. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [110] Joyce,

    Either way, it is amusement and nothing more.

    They’d do much better petitioning their own state and delegation to support a constitutional convention. If that ever got traction, hoo boy, things would get interesting.

  126. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [122] stu,

    I love me some free stuff from traditional Americans.

  127. Comrade Nom Deplume says:

    [110] joyce,

    The petitions to a WH site are blog posts. Yes, you can declare it, which is a nullity unless the state backs it, but unless the feds go all Fabius and agree, there’s that sticky “by force or violence” thing to be concerned about. Until then, the feds can safely ignore it.

    And no clot, “by force or violence” isn’t multiple choice.

  128. Brian says:

    Vodka with a twister as bar washes up on block
    By KENNETH GARGER, DANA SAUCHELLI and RICH CALDER

    Last Updated: 12:06 PM, November 6, 2012

    Posted: 12:54 AM, November 6, 2012

    The drinks were on Sandy!

    A Brooklyn marina pub broke off from its main structure during the hurricane — and floated two miles before landing on a residential street, treating stunned residents there to its well-stocked bar for an after-storm bash.

    “We had a big party. We had nothing else to do while we were waiting for everything else to dry, and this was a great opportunity to get our minds off everything,” said Michael Sarrell, 27, one of the Gerritsen Beach residents who took solace in the battered Gateway Marina bar that came to rest just outside their door.

    The bar — which residents identified as a chunk of the marina establishment on federal parkland on Flatbush Avenue — had been lifted from its foundation in Mill Basin during Superstorm Sandy and drifted in swollen Deep Creek Bay, past the Belt Parkway, all the way west to the dead-end block at Madoc Avenue and Keen Court in Gerritsen Beach.

    “It was moving 30 mph toward my house!” said Patrice Dolan, 52, who recalled screaming, “Oh, my God! What do I do? What do I do?” as the surreal moment played out.

    When the bar hut came to a rest, residents discovered its tables and chairs were miraculously intact — as was a wide variety of booze.

    By Wednesday, residents had set up an impromptu watering hole, writing “SANDY’S BAR” in red marker across the gray facade.

    Once the liquor supply quickly ran out, “B.Y.O.B.” was scribbled below.

    Sarrell’s brother Keith, 26, said the whole neighborhood then took to bringing in booze, coolers and even power generators to keep the party going.

    “We had Jameson, Skyy Vodka and a bunch of beer,” said resident Nino Coppolino, 29. “We packed 40 people in there. That’s a lot of body heat to stay warm.”

    The partying lasted through Friday night but ended Saturday, when cops and sanitation workers arrived and razed the structure for safety reasons.

    “I was going to try and put it in my back yard and make it a permanent bar, but they had to knock it down,” Keith Sarrell said.

    Last night, with the bar gone and reality setting in, residents along the strip were burning damaged furniture and cardboard in a barrel to keep warm.

    It’s unclear when the devastated seaside community will get its power back.

    Bill Gallucci, a 50-year-old boat mechanic, said the liquor license on one of the displaced bar’s walls indicated it was part of Gateway Marina.

    The structure “had thousands of dollars of floatation devices under it,” he said. “And they had barnacles growing on them.”

    Some residents had briefly believed the bar was actually part of a popular beach bar in Breezy Point, Queens, seven miles away called the Sugar Bowl because the structures looked similar.

    “It’s a shame they had to tear it down,” Gallucci said of the hut.

    “It probably could’ve been transported safely back to the marina.”

    kgarger@nypost.com

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