From the Star Ledger:
Areas surrounding Trenton, Newark rank among the nation’s wealthiest, well-educated
Two of the nation’s wealthiest, highly educated demographic clusters – also known as “Super Zips” – are located in New Jersey, according to a report from The Washington Post.
Areas surrounding the cities of Newark and Trenton rank among the nation’s 15 largest Super Zip collections, the report said.
The Washington Post analyzed the most recent census data to find zip codes where people rank highest in a combination of income and education. To determine the rankings, The Post combined the average median household income with how many adults with college degrees live in the area.
For example, in Livingston, a town about 15 minutes west of Newark, the median household income is $133,143 and 70 percent of residents are college graduates.
Just north of Trenton in Princeton, the median household is $122,921 and 76 percent of residents have college degrees.
Elsewhere around the Garden State, Hoboken and two areas in Jersey City were also identified as Super Zips. In Bergen County, Ridgewood was the only town to qualify.
Super Zips ranked by numbers of households:
1. Washington
2. E. Manhattan
3. San Jose
4. Boston
5. Oakland
6. Bridgeport
7. Newark
8. Chicago
9. N. LA
10. Long Island
11. W. Manhattan
12. Trenton
13. Philly
14. San Diego
15. S. LA
Almost half of the top 15 are located within spitting distance in the local area.
(These aren’t the actual cities, but the metropolitan statistical areas named for the largest/major city in the region).
A few selected areas:
Jersey City – 99
Montclair – 99
Ridgewood – 99
Short Hills – 99
Chatham – 99
Little Silver – 99
Mountain Lakes – 99
Princeton Junction – 99
Princeton – 98
Alpine – 98
Hoboken – 98
Mendham – 98
Franklin Lakes – 98
Saddle River – 98
HoHoKus – 98
Tenafly – 98
Summit – 97
Wyckoff – 97
Westfield – 97
Randolph – 97
Fairfield, CT – 97
What a phenomenon that Trenton and the Newark area are on that list. I mean….drive from Short Hills to Newark. Worlds apart.
You don’t even need to drive that far, how about these neighbors?
Fair Lawn – 90
Paterson – 14
Randolph – 97
Dover – 54
Maplewood – 95
Irvington – 21
Bridgewater – 94
Manville – 39
Glen Ridge – 99
East Orange – 26
Hoboken – 99
Union City – 25
how come all these clusters of wealth and education are liberal/progressive and most southern clusters of poverty and illiteracy are Republican/conservative
5 – Hey dummy. We’re commenting on how remarkable the income gap is between local urban centers and their suburban counterpart. There are not only clusters of wealth, there are clusters of poverty which they surround. Not many middle class folks in between. That’s not a good thing. Remove your progressive blinders for a second.
Was Bebo included in the Jersey City survey?
Cooking the books? NAH
http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/
Repost – On topic for two reasons – Income gap and political affiliation
Montclair always irked me as being held up as the prototypical shining star of diversity.
Household Income in the Upper Mountain Area – $198,000
Household Income in the Estates Area – $226,000
Household Income on Mission Street – $28,500
% of white population in Upper Montclair (Valley Area) – 95.1%
% of white population on Mission Street – 5.5%
Plenty of neighborhoods where the poverty rate is in excess of 30%, even some areas where the childhood poverty rate pushes above 40%. Does this make any sense to you? A 40% childhood poverty rate literally right down Bloomfield ave from a neighborhood that has a *MEDIAN* income of $226,000? I’d love to see what the income quintiles for estates, I bet you the top 5th of the households in the neighborhood are upwards of $350,000 a year income. And a 40% childhood poverty rate down the street.
Nothing to see here….
…
While neighboring Clifton is equally as diverse as Montclair, it certainly seems significantly less stratified – As defined by the mean difference between the whitest neighborhoods and least white neighborhoods
In Clifton – The whitest neighborhood is only 70%, compared to Montclair and Maplewood’s 90+% white neighborhoods. Clifton’s least white neighborhood is only 45% white, giving a difference of 25% across neighborhoods, compared to nearly 90% in Montclair and Maplewood.
You sure these places are really shining stars of diversity? The level of racial and economic stratification is astounding.
Neighborhoods with top tier “blue ribbony” schools surrounding cities like Trenton, whose graduation rate is less than 50%.
2011 Graduation rate for city schools was 47.71% in Trenton.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2012/05/graduation_rate_at_trentons_sc.html
juice: you need the Lady Gaga lead in…..
chicagofinance says:
November 18, 2013 at 10:22 pm
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Want your bad necromance
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“I’ve been suspicious of the Census Bureau for a long time.”
Juice Box says:
November 19, 2013 at 7:27 am
Cooking the books? NAH
http://nypost.com/2013/11/18/census-faked-2012-election-jobs-report/
Political division in the US.
http://www.npr.org/2013/11/11/244527860/forget-the-50-states-u-s-is-really-11-nations-says-author
“Yankeedom” in the Northeast and industrial Midwest was founded by Puritans and residents there have always been comfortable with a government that regulates and moderates. The communities of the Deep South in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and other states were founded by former West Indian plantation owners who wanted to recreate the society they were used to: government based on the sacrosanct rights of a few wealthy elite. “Greater Appalachia,” extending from West Virginia in a wide band to the northern half of Texas, was settled by people from Northern Ireland, England and Scotland. Those people were openly antagonistic to the so-called “ruling oligarchies” and upper classes, so they opposed the slave plantation economy, but they also distrust government.
RICK SANTELLI: Well we could argue about the process. We could look at how the BLS outsources to the census bureau. We could look at how the census bureau operates. Where their jurisdiction is, where it shifted in ’09. But we don’t need to go there — everybody’s protesting too much. Here’s what I will say, we have a stock market at all-time year highs, we don’t have an economy at all-time year highs. You can put any jobs level 100, 125,000 —whatever you want — and put it forward if you want to say it’s going to be the new benchmark, because that’s under the guise of this shrinking labor force. So that number isn’t really viable either.
All I can tell you is, there was no doubt in my mind a month ago unemployment would be under 8%. There was no doubt in my mind 5 minutes before the number that it would be under 8% — take it anyway you want!
LIESMAN: We can’t take it anyway you want Rick, because you’re implying with your comment —
RICK SANTELLI: I’m not implying anything! I’m telling ya and it turned out that way! I’m a market whisperer!
LIESMAN: Why say it?
RICK SANTELLI: Because it’s true!
LIESMAN: It was the same point Jack Welch made.
RICK SANTELLI: I like people to get the benefit of my 32 years in the market. There was no doubt it would be under 8 percent!
LIESMAN: Why did you have no doubt, Rick?
[5] anon,
You fall into the classic trap of not seeing the trees for the forest. Also post hoc ergo propter hoc. You assume (wrongly, I would submit) that because a particular area shares two attributes, those attributes are interrelated. In fact, I submit that in those MSAs, the wealthiest are likely much more conservative, and you will also find more or less equal division among highly educated. You also imply that conservatism is an outgrowth of a lack of native intelligence. Again correlation (in this case, proximity) does not equal causation.
Am I wrong? Bring some evidence (and a conclusion with a hashtag isn’t evidence).
There’s a reason you are anon and we’ll never see you at a GTG. If I, like you, couldn’t argue worth a damn, I’d stay completely anonymous too.
Is that supposed to be a lot of income?
226K income with no mortgage is scrapping by in Long Island with 60K college tuition and 50K Bar and Bat Mizahs. and 60K weddings, 10K cruises and 10K trips to islands and kids clothing.
Household Income in the Upper Mountain Area – $198,000
Household Income in the Estates Area – $226,000
grim (9)-
Wait until the broken glass-encrusted walls start popping up in the estates part of the PRM and the residents come to shop downtown in armor-plated Mercedes, surrounded by flak-jacketed storm troopers.
No difference between the PRM and Buenos Aires or Bogota.
Santelli is G0d. He presents the facts with such astounding truth that his naysayers p1ss their pants. He can gut you like a fish just by looking at you.
plume (14)-
Go easy on anon. Imagine what you’d be like if you got skull-banged by Bernie Sanders on the regular.
Has there ever been a greater affront to the citizenry in decades? Illegals flagrantly demanding that the state subsidize their post secondary ed. Politicians trying to capture a new voting block.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/11/in_fight_for_in-state_tuition_undocumented_immigrants_walk_across_nj.html#incart_m-rpt-1
A “left leaning network” No, really?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/msnbc-s-martin-bashir-apologizes-for-offensive-palin-remark-002814209.html
Moreover, Santelli is a Chicago guy and got to see close-up the small-time political hack show that’s now infected the executive branch.
Still beats mission street.
Household Income on Mission Street – $28,500
15.JJ the Welfare Queen says:
November 19, 2013 at 8:48 am
Is that supposed to be a lot of income?
226K income with no mortgage is scrapping by in Long Island with 60K college tuition and 50K Bar and Bat Mizahs. and 60K weddings, 10K cruises and 10K trips to islands and kids clothing.
This is a national security issue. Some conspiracy theorists have said it is a stealth way of controling the price of ammo and thereby discouraging gun ownership in the US. Look to China for your lead needs now.
EPA forces last lead smelter in USA to close.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/end-of-an-era-last-u-s-lead-smelter-to-close-in-december/
At this time, it’s unclear if Doe Run or another company will open a new lead smelter in the United States that can meet the more stringent lead air quality standards by using more modern smelting methods. What is clear is that after the Herculaneum smelter closes its doors in December, entirely domestic manufacture of conventional ammunition, from raw ore to finished cartridge, will be impossible
[19] nwnj
Italy: Up to 6 month detention and fines from 5K to 10K euros
Switzerland: Immediate deportation of anyone convicted of a crime (and their families)
Australia: Mandatory detention of anyone (including children) caught w/o valid visa
Japan: Cash payment to leave and never come back
Denmark: Same
Mexico: 10 year imprisonment for second offense (immediate deportation and fine first time)
France: 5K Eu fine, year in prison, or both
U.K.: 10K pound fine
United States: Free health care, drivers license, welfare, free day care, legal assistance, housing assistance, food stamps, and (sometimes) a job.
Is that supposed to be a lot of income? 226K income with no mortgage is scrapping by in Long Island
Sure, but realize that it’s the median, which means half the households in the neighborhood are making *MORE* than that. And like I said above, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the lower-bound of the top 20% of households in the neighborhood was more than $350k. Also doesn’t take into account the fact that many of these households have huge net worth figures, which might not directly translate into high incomes.
Some animals are more equal than others.
Irvington looking to pull eminent domain schemes to acquire bad mortgages and recast them to keep homeowners in place.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-19/eminent-domain-bailout-comes-new-jersey
How the New Jersey Supreme Court destroyed the middle class
The average New Jersey property tax bill is now over $7,200 per year. We are Number 1 in the nation and widening our lead by the day. We have also become first in the nation when it comes to per pupil spending for public education. Yes, we finally topped New York! New Jersey now spends an average of $13,601 per student each year. The problem is that the majority of state funds are expended on a select group of students and therefore the most schools must impose heavy property taxes on their residents to maintain a quality education.
About 70% of the average New Jersey property tax bill is for public education. While governors and the Legislature are the scapegoats for this assault on the middle class, in reality, they are only following the edicts of the New Jersey Supreme Court.
The funding of public education has been a source of debate – and financial hardship for 40 years. Article VIII, Section IV, paragraph 1 of the New Jersey Constitution states, “The Legislature shall provide for the maintenance and support of a thorough and efficient system of free public schools for the instruction of all children in the State between the ages of five and eighteen years.” For the greater part of four decades, the decisions on how to accomplish this mandate have been made, not by the experts or the Legislature, but by the Court.
http://www.solutionsfornewjersey.org/?p=929
The single biggest portion of New Jersey’s outrageous property taxes is the school tax. This is a direct result of New Jersey’s activist Supreme Court legislating from the bench and applying flawed logic. Spending an additional $10 billion dollars on failing schools over the past decade has not proven effective and never will.
Until New Jersey has a Supreme Court that will interpret the State Constitution and not rewrite it, something must be done to relieve the excessive tax burden on the middle class. Property tax bills must be reduced and total tax liability has to be controlled. Until the school funding issue is resolved, there will be no relief.
#28.. that is exactly right.
Meanwhile, the NJ state Legislature refuses to confirm Christie’s supreme court appointees.
Christie Supreme Court nominee approved, but Democrats warn they won’t budge on others
Monday, November 18, 2013 Last updated: Monday November 18, 2013, 10:55 PM
BY MICHAEL PHILLIS
STATE HOUSE BUREAU
http://www.northjersey.com/news/NJ_Senate_confirms_Supreme_Court_nominee_.html
Governor Christie’s latest Supreme Court nominee plans to start work today after being unanimously confirmed by a Democratically controlled Senate that refuses to advance his two other picks for the high court.
Monday’s vote, however, does not break the stalemate between Christie, a Republican who has been telling national audiences of his bipartisan successes, and Democrats in the Senate who are refusing to consider two earlier nominees.
At issue is the political makeup of the court, which has been relying on temporary call-ups from lower courts to fill out vacancies left by the nomination fight.
Some Democrats have said Christie has ignored tradition and pushed a historically tightly balanced court far to the right.
“We aren’t going to allow the court to get hijacked and have all Republicans sitting on the court,” said Nicholas Scutari, D-Union, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The average New Jersey property tax bill is now over $7,200 per year. We are Number 1 in the nation and widening our lead by the day.
But, we’re prestigious, have blue ribbons and dancing unicorns and that’s all that matters. At least, that’s what those liberal progressives are telling us.
http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-09/news/36239709_1_migration-study-michael-stoll-keystone-state
New Jersey is No. 1.
Those pulling up roots have put the Garden State in the top spot nationally for outbound residents – at least, so says United Van Lines.
The company has released its 2012 migration study, listing the most moved-into states and those that people are leaving.
National trends show people leaving the Northeast and heading to the Southeast and Northwest. The main reasons are jobs, housing, taxes, and weather, said economist Michael Stoll, chair of the department of public policy at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Did MTV’s recently ended Jersey Shore drive off others? Did the outspoken Gov. Christie help attract the people who moved in?
Such Jersey personalities are marginal, Stoll said.
“You can’t blame Snooki,” he said, offering instead the state’s highest-in-the-nation taxes and small job growth.
350K is still not a lot. Lot of neighborhoods on Long Island good homes are two million on average yet I see stats average family makes like 180k which in my mind is impossible. They have to be making at least 850K to scrape by.
grim says:
November 19, 2013 at 9:33 am
Is that supposed to be a lot of income? 226K income with no mortgage is scrapping by in Long Island
Sure, but realize that it’s the median, which means half the households in the neighborhood are making *MORE* than that. And like I said above, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if the lower-bound of the top 20% of households in the neighborhood was more than $350k. Also doesn’t take into account the fact that many of these households have huge net worth figures, which might not directly translate into high incomes.
Will prolly have to GTFU of NJ before youngest graduates HS. Just can’t afford to continue hemorrhaging money into the corrupt black hole of township/state taxation.
I can move 10 minutes into PA, then possibly send my kid to Penn and get 10K or so a year sliced off tuition. Compared to staying here and getting buggered every April, this is an easy choice.
Just got my property tax assessment card in the mail. Assessment did not go up and did not go down. Should I do a dance? I thought it would go up just because I moved into the neighborhood!
#2,
Ahh, my beloved Fairfield, Ct made the list. Only a short 1.5 hour ride into GCT but it will be worth it to prance with the unicorns in the Nutmeg state. I am front and center on a home now because deal fell through. Property is nice but backs very close to river. Homeowner has lived there 50 years and claims no floods ever. Closest was Sandy but only crested to back patio. Any advice? I like the property. Reminder to check familywatchdog site prior to home purchase. Wealthy zips such as Bridgeport seem to be a haven for sickos.
Thought you all sent your kids to CUNY? unless of course you were full of it previously
15.JJ the Welfare Queen says:
November 19, 2013 at 8:48 am
Is that supposed to be a lot of income?
226K income with no mortgage is scrapping by in Long Island with 60K college tuition and 50K Bar and Bat Mizahs. and 60K weddings, 10K cruises and 10K trips to islands and kids clothing.
[33] street,
The Deplumes were on that list.
32- Exactly!!!!!! How long is it going to take for you people to realize we have high taxes because we are living in one of the wealthiest locations in the world. Why is it so hard to understand? Look at Grimm’s initial post about the super zips. You want cheap taxes then go live in Iowa where an income of 50,000 a year makes you the richest guy in your town of 500 people. When are you going to realize that a lot of people in north jersey are some of the richest people in the world and can afford 50,000 a year in property taxes. If you didn’t have places like irvington, newark, paterson, or passaic bringing down our state’s median family income avg, I bet our state median family income avg would be over 100,000.
Whoops!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/19/woman-cited-by-president-as-obamacare-success-story-frustrated-by-sign-up-process/?hpt=hp_t2
A prime example of reversion to the mean . . .
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/18/us/north-carolina-john-edwards/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
So theft is OK because we are wealthy. F*ck off Michael. The only people who suffer from the onerous taxation in this state are the middle class. upper class not at all and the lower class live off of it. that is why there is an outward migration, whether you like it or not the middle are the drivers of the economy squeeze them and the rest begins to falter.
An oldie but goodie from our favorite economist.
The concience of a Liberal
Paul Krugman
December 17, 2008, 4:01 pm Do we need the middle class?
Kevin Drum writes that
One way or another, there’s really no way for the economy to grow strongly and consistently unless middle-class consumers spend more, and they can’t spend more unless they make more.
This is a widely held view, and I’m as much in favor of a strong middle class as anyone. Nonetheless, I’d say that in terms of strict economics it’s wrong. There’s no obvious reason why consumer demand can’t be sustained by the spending of the upper class — $200 dinners and luxury hotels create jobs, the same way that fast food dinners and Motel 6s do. In fact, the prosperity of New York City in the last decade — largely supported off of super-salaried Wall Street types — is a demonstration that you can have an economy sustained by the big spending of the few rather than the modest spending of large numbers of people.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/do-we-need-the-middle-class/?_r=0
So, like Michael says, F*ck you middle class. We don’t need you.
Tried to dig into the United Van lines migration studies, but I’ve never found any real robust datasets other than what they publish in their press releases.
In the 2012 study referenced above, NJ ranked as 62% of United Moving Vans were moving someone out, and 38% of United Moving Vans were moving someone in.
But how many moving vans are we talking about? What’s the age/demographic/income of both the in-migrants and out-migrants. What’s the net impact? Are these boomers leaving? What should we expect to see?
Comparing against state demographics, NJ state population continues to grow, and this out-migration is *NOT* showing up as reduced per capita incomes or decreases in population (in fact, the data is moving the other way).
Also, realize that users of this service are probably families with lots of stuff, so is there already demographic bias inherent in the data? The kid moving to North Jersey for his first job out of college probably isn’t using United Van Lines, when most of his possessions can fit into his hatchback, or even back pack.
So what gives? It’s too easy to look at the sensationalist headlines and read too much into this.
Nom [41],
We have not even seen the tip of the iceberg yet. Wait until these miscues, missteps, foul-ups and disasters in coverage begin to increase exponentially! Wait until the employee benefits start getting dumped! Can you imagine when you have government paid employees deciding who gets medical treatments and surgery based on their interpretation of this mess? Omg, I pray for our children. This presidency, this administration by far, signifies one of the weakest periods in our country’s history. It’s a milestone moment in ineptitude and inexperience. What a disaster.
California is months ahead of these guys……
Spine Snapper says:
November 19, 2013 at 9:42 am
Irvington looking to pull eminent domain schemes to acquire bad mortgages and recast them to keep homeowners in place.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-19/eminent-domain-bailout-comes-new-jersey
The middle class dont serve much of a purpose to a rich individual.
I am not rich. But at same time. My lawn service, bus boys at restaurants, staff at vacation resorts, folks at dry cleaner, guys I hire to fix house after sandy most were pretty poor. The guys who did the work in my lower level got paid $150 a day. That was a 10 hour day six days a week. My lawn guy who knows what he pays, maybe $100 a day. When I go to dry cleaners, mcdonalds, dunkin donuts, cheap cab, all folks make peanuts.
Several times in last three years I tried to hire middle class folks but they are expensive.
Exampled I need a new main sewer pipe and sump pump after Sandy. I called roto rooter to get a quote. The price was really high. So I ask him why so high. I heard well we pay decent wages, folks get sick days, personal days, medical there is a 401k, we get permits, supervised by a licensed plumber, we have uniforms, nice vans, a back office and free coffee and advertising costs.
Then I go I think you are great and would hire you in a second but I dont have insurance so I am paying out of pocket. So younger guy sees kids and wrecked house and goes you know you should still use us. The actual cost of job is half you pay double to support everything I told you. I then said you mentioned you are going to Disney world is that priced in. We earn a decent salary and I get paid vacation so I guess yes.
Trouble is the middle class is hard to support. I ended up hiring the guys I used for most of the work at half the price. Bottom line I dont want to pay ten bucks for Mcdonalds, $100 bucks to have lawn mowed. $3 dollars for shirts or pay double for all home improvements to support a middle class.
Street Justice says:
November 19, 2013 at 11:37 am
So, like Michael says, F*ck you middle class. We don’t need you.
One can only hope that Krugman catches a drug-resistant strain of the Princeton meningitis and dies a slow, agonizing death.
Idiots like him are really the equivalent of traitors.
Hell, they are traitors. Put ’em against a wall, and shoot.
[37]
Went to familywatchdog, tried their free search, but it required me to take a survey that you could not opt out of. Did so, then it claimed I won a free ipad. Reading the fine print, it was more like free, my ass. Never did get the “free search” results on my town.
Grim [46];
Its splash. Can they really claim a statistically representative cross-section of market share? Similarly, occasionally an index is published comparing U-haul prices for one-way moves between sample city pairs, based on the premise that U-haul adjusts their prices to get their one-way customers to re-balance their equipment distribution. I suppose that is true, but gauging it seems fraught with bugs. Its interesting, but I don’t take either survey as meaningful.
Why would you pay for this or go through some ad/spam site, this is all publicly available:
http://www.nj.gov/njsp/info/reg_sexoffend.html
Spine [35];
Is there a waiting period before you have can claim in-state tuition? I’d easily tell my kid to take a year off and go backpacking while we pulled up stakes to save $50k per kid on tuition costs.
A mom who thought she was properly parenting by sending her two young kids to school with a homemade, whole-food lunch was shocked to find a penalty note from school officials informing her that the lunch of roast beef, potatoes, carrots, oranges and milk she provided was “unbalanced” and therefore had to be supplemented with Ritz crackers.
She was also fined $10.
According to Weighty Matters, the Manitoba Government’s Early Learning and Child Care department blindly follows a policy which requires lunches to be “balanced” according to “Canada’s awful Food Guide.”
Unbalanced lunches are subject to supplementation and a fine of CDN$5 (US$4.80) per “missing item” per child.
In Kristen Bartkiw’s case, she “neglected” to include “grains” with Natalie and Logan’s packed lunches — a “dereliction” that was “corrected” through the “supplementation” of Ritz crackers.
According to the nutrition facts found on its homepage, a serving of Ritz crackers (~10 crackers) contains 6.5g of fat, of which nearly half is saturated.
To drive home the ridiculousness of the policy, Kristen tells Weighty Matters she could have sent her kids to daycare with “microwave Kraft Dinner and a hot dog, a package of fruit twists, a Cheestring, and a juice box,” and it would have been met with approval by the MCCA.
http://gawker.com/mom-gives-kids-homemade-lunch-school-forces-them-to-ea-1466822586
b.s. that conversation ever took place
JJ the Welfare Queen says:
November 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Exampled I need a new main sewer pipe and sump pump after Sandy. I called roto rooter to get a quote. The price was really high. So I ask him why so high. I heard well we pay decent wages, folks get sick days, personal days, medical there is a 401k, we get permits, supervised by a licensed plumber, we have uniforms, nice vans, a back office and free coffee and advertising costs.
He knows exactly what he’s doing. How else is he able to contradict himself regularly depending on which way the wind blows
Spine Snapper says:
November 19, 2013 at 12:09 pm
One can only hope that Krugman catches a drug-resistant strain of the Princeton meningitis and dies a slow, agonizing death.
Idiots like him are really the equivalent of traitors.
Offered without comment:
http://www.squidoo.com/worst-state-ever
I still propose paving Newark and Trenton flat. Turn it into a giant runway. He’ll might as well do the same thing to long island.
http://www.conciergeauctions.com/auctions/2700-point-lane-highland-park-illinois-60035/
#52 pos,
Here is the legit site. Domain is .us, not .com
http://www.familywatchdog.us/
It did the guy realized I was not buying his service.
Sewer Pipes are funny. Guy who did actual work was a licensed NYC Plumber who works for an REIT that owns office buildings in Manhattan.
He did it on a Sunday took all day and used two of my $150 a day guys.
He has vacation, sick days, 401K etc just like roto rooter guy. But I was a side job on a Sunday for cash so he just charged me for job.
joyce says:
November 19, 2013 at 12:31 pm
b.s. that conversation ever took place
JJ the Welfare Queen says:
November 19, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Exampled I need a new main sewer pipe and sump pump after Sandy. I called roto rooter to get a quote. The price was really high. So I ask him why so high. I heard well we pay decent wages, folks get sick days, personal days, medical there is a 401k, we get permits, supervised by a licensed plumber, we have uniforms, nice vans, a back office and free coffee and advertising costs.
[59] street
Eerily accurate.
But I loved this gem: “All Yankee fans hate Boston Red Sox and Philadelphia Phillies fans, all Jets fans hate Giants and Eagles fans, and all Devils fans automatically hate New York Rangers and Philadelphia Flyers fans (but ironically, not Bruins fans – the reason behind this bizarre absence is currently unknown).”
That’s easy. First, the Devils are an expansion team and when they came into the league, the Bruins sucked. Not much to hate. But the Blueshirts didn’t and a rivalry grew.
Also, Bruins fans never hated NY/NJ hockey teams. First, as noted above, the Devils didn’t exist. Second, we hated the Canadiens. They were the Yankees of Hockey so everyone hated them. The Rangers weren’t any better than us, and arguably much worse when I was a rabid B’s fan in my youth. But now the Habs are a pathetic bunch, a shell long bereft of glory. One can only hope that the Habs-Yankees analogy holds true and the pinstripes descend into a lifetime of hellish mediocrity.
There are lots of contractors that spend a fortune on marketing because it’s easy to sell to a sucker in a shitty situation, or just take advantage of someone who might not know better and assumes brand-familiarity must equate with quality.
I had a “roofer” ring my doorbell and ask if I was interested in his services (this was post-Sandy). I said write up an estimate and we’ll talk, he took a few minutes to measure out the roof, etc, and rang the doorbell again, estimate in hand.
I think the estimate was something like $24,000. But, if I signed today, he’d give me a $5,000 discount, bringing the total to $19,000. Why? Because he had a crew that had availability early next week, someone had canceled, and if he didn’t line up a job, he’d have to pay them anyway. So this way, he could just pass the savings on, everybody wins. Was my wife home? He had the shingle color sample book in hand, we can sit down right now and pick out your roof colors. And, while we’re at it, we can take care of the gutters too, you’ll never need to clean the leaves out again.
He had a nice truck, and nice clothes, and could deliver a good pitch. I guarantee he was finding at least 1 taker a week going door to door. I’ve seen his signs and his ads.
The problem is, it really wouldn’t cost more than $10k to redo my roof.
So he farms jobs out to contractors on the back end, and profits $9k himself. Sure, a lot of that money goes into taking out ads and sending out coupons, but he clearly turns a tidy profit.
Every signature is a sucker though.
Guy I used to work with used to make a ton painting houses when he got laid off one year.
White Italian Guy, college educated, clean cut, dressed nice. Came to your house did estimate told a few stories etc.
Anyhow he found a few off the books illegals who did not speak English so well.
He said he was making great money. Just painting rooms so low risk. He used same guys always.
These guys were willing to give up 50% of each job as they could not get work on their own.
I swear if I got laid off I could easily make a ton. This is why house flippers usually have their own crew as the 50% mark up for the Italian guy in a suit will kill you.
You? Laid off!? That’s nonsense, please stop.
They would be unable to remove you from the premises because your BSD would not fit in the elevator. Net of removal costs it’s cheaper to leave you be.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/opinion/their-opinion/columnists-blogs/david-sirota/sirota-the-plot-against-pensions/article_7a707268-4957-5c08-9dca-ebd933e32b36.html
“According to a 2013 study by the U.S. Public Interest Research Group, states lose roughly $40 billion a year thanks to loopholes that let corporations engage in offshore tax avoidance. Additionally, a New York Times analysis recently found that “states, counties and cities are giving up more than $80 billion each year to companies” in the form of subsidies — many of which create no jobs.
State and local governments, then, aren’t bankrupt. Indeed, contrary to pension-cutters’ assertions, they are so flush with cash that they spend a combined $120 billion a year on corporate handouts — almost three times the total pension gap.
That’s why, as the National Association of State Retirement Administrators, says: “The idea of imminent (public pension) insolvency is a gross distortion.” It is also why McClatchy Newspapers declared that “there’s simply no evidence that state pensions are the current burden to public finances that their critics claim.”
Why, then, are public pensions being targeted by an Enron billionaire, the Pew Charitable Trusts, corporate front groups and right-wing activists? Because pretending public pensions are the primary cause of state budget problems allows greedheads and ideologues to distract attention from — and therefore prevent cuts to — their beloved corporate welfare. In some cases, it also allows them to embed language in pension “reform” proposals that transfers worker retirement money into alternative investments — the kinds that incur expensive hedge fund fees and enrich Wall Street”
It’s stunning how quickly the “mainstream” press has switched English language usage from the historic and factually correct terminology of “illegal alien” to the nonsensical and incorrect “undocumented worker.”
I believe it took them only 8 years. Orwell would be proud.
Street [59],
Very funny link… and too true! I might add though, Giants fans hate, HATE the Eagles. Philly has such a chip on it’s shoulder, can’t even begin. Their fans are nasty angry!!
Damm it!!!!! I am just too valuable. Crash of 1987, Internet Bubble, 9-11 and Financial Crisis I was harder to get ride of than a bug crazy glued to a truckers window.
thank got I dont age or get ill. I need this job for another 20 years then I will have a nice 50 year retirement.
zieba says:
November 19, 2013 at 2:27 pm
You? Laid off!? That’s nonsense, please stop.
They would be unable to remove you from the premises because your BSD would not fit in the elevator. Net of removal costs it’s cheaper to leave you be.
A few years ago if you told someone you saw a selfie of an undocumented worker twerking no one would even know what you were talking about.
Statler Waldorf says:
November 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm
It’s stunning how quickly the “mainstream” press has switched English language usage from the historic and factually correct terminology of “illegal alien” to the nonsensical and incorrect “undocumented worker.”
I believe it took them only 8 years. Orwell would be proud.
JJ [72];
It was at least nine years ago when when some humorless woman in a grad school class indignantly attempted to ‘correct’ my use of –illegal immigrant– to “undocumented worker”. I made sure to emphasize my term in my next reply.
Eddie [70];
Far as I know, Philly’s is the only stadium with a courtroom in the basement.
If you want the mindnumbingly PC opinion:
which term is acceptable?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122314131
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/immigrantsrights/qt/illegal_undoc.htm
Statler Waldorf says:
November 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm
It’s stunning how quickly the “mainstream” press has switched English language usage from the historic and factually correct terminology of “illegal alien” to the nonsensical and incorrect “undocumented worker.”
I believe it took them only 8 years. Orwell would be proud.
They can’t be illegal aliens, they aren’t from another planet, duhhhh.
Moose [74],
That was Veteran’s Stadium. :) But who knows, maybe the Linc has one as well.
There is a difference, girls who are illegal aliens if you dont pay for your BJ so what, girls who are undocumented workers can get you in trouble for not paying for your BJ
Anon E. Moose says:
November 19, 2013 at 2:45 pm
JJ [72];
It was at least nine years ago when when some humorless woman in a grad school class indignantly attempted to ‘correct’ my use of –illegal immigrant– to “undocumented worker”. I made sure to emphasize my term in my next reply.
What is the unemployment rate of undocumented workers….?
From MarketWatch:
10 cheapskate companies that stiff workers on pay
10. Starbucks
9. TJX (TJ Maxx, Homegoods, Marshalls, etc)
8. Macy’s
7. Darden (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc)
6. Sears
5. Yum Brands (Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, etc)
4. Kroger
3. Target
2. McDonalds
1. Walmart
Scorecard ranks Trenton the least gay-friendly city in N.J., while Jersey City earns perfect score
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/11/trenton_named_the_least_gay-friendly_city_in_nj_by_gay_rights_group.html#incart_river_default
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/11/19/virginia-state-sen-deeds-critically-injured-in-his-home/?mod=WSJ_hppMIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
Doh!
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303914304579194041328458228
Every company on list has treated stockholders and customers well.
10. Starbucks
9. TJX (TJ Maxx, Homegoods, Marshalls, etc)
8. Macy’s
7. Darden (Olive Garden, Red Lobster, etc)
6. Sears
5. Yum Brands (Taco Bell, Pizza Hut, KFC, etc)
4. Kroger
3. Target
2. McDonalds
1. Walmart
@GuardianUS: Zimmerman tried to choke girlfriend a week before latest arrest, court hears http://t.co/z87qM3BchQ
@GuardianUS: “Dick and Liz Cheney say they ‘dealt privately’ with their gay marriage family feud, ie not at all.” http://t.co/lx6hiywCKb via @AnaMarieCox
@BillMoyersHQ: An Ohio Wal-Mart store asks its low-wage workers to donate food for thanksgiving to its other low-wage workers http://t.co/EZJiXnYwEC
Holiday gift idea?
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moose (55)-
Prolly is a waiting period, but my kid is in 10th grade right now. Two years of Pennsy residence + Pennsy HS should make him eligible for in-state tuition without further wait.
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