Safer to spend Labor Day in Detroit than at the Jersey Shore

From the Daily Record:

Ocean County: The most dangerous place in America?

Time magazine declared this week that Ocean County is the most dangerous place to live in the United States because of the potential for natural disasters.

The magazine cited data from the storm events database of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Ocean County was considered the most dangerous. Time listed five other New Jersey counties as among the top 15 most dangerous to live in the nation — in terms of the potential for destructive weather. The safest place in America with regard to Mother Nature, statistically speaking? Sweet Grass County, Montana, according to Time.

Christie said his administration has and is taking steps to make Ocean County a safer place to live after superstorm Sandy demonstrated how vulnerable its coastal communities were to a storm of that magnitude.

“But, I don’t know,” Christie said, with one of his trademark quips about to come, gazing out at the packed beachfront Friday afternoon. “I look out there and it doesn’t look that dangerous to me.”

From Shore News:

Time puts Atlantic, Cape May counties as among most disaster prone in nation

According to Time Magazine, Cape May County is one of the most dangerous places in the nation for natural disasters. Atlantic County is safer, according to the magazine, but still makes the list of top 15 danger spots.

In fact, it appears from Time’s data that New Jersey is an exceptionally disaster prone area.

In a recent posting online, Time listed the safest counties in the nation, based on an analysis of 50 years of data on weather patterns and natural disasters.

The conclusion: Sweet Grass County, Mont., with a population of 3,651 in the last census, is the safest place in the country.

There are no New Jersey counties listed in the top 15 safest places, but six New Jersey counties show up in the list of the 15 most dangerous counties in the nation, with Ocean County coming in at number one. Orange County, Calif. is number two, and Cape May County is number three.

Other listed Jersey counties include Monmouth County, number four, Burlington County, number seven, Atlantic County is number 12 and Camden County closes out the list at number 15.

No Florida counties made the top 15 list.

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41 Responses to Safer to spend Labor Day in Detroit than at the Jersey Shore

  1. grim says:

    This all seems really just a little bit silly…

  2. Living in NJ is dangerous for your wallet.

  3. Njescapee says:

    I agree with Uzis. Money goes a lot farther in other places. My short sale condo’ s taxes in south Florida just dropped over 25% and I didn’t even attempt an appeal.

  4. Juice Box says:

    Yes because hundreds die every year in NJ of natural disasters. What a joke.

  5. Whether you’re gunned down in Detroit or swept away in a storm surge in Toms River, dead is dead.

  6. anon (the good one) says:

    gonna write that one down

    Uzis for Tykes says:
    August 30, 2014 at 10:15 am

    ….dead is dead.

  7. anon (the good one) says:

    Police Killings
    by Alex Tabarrok on August 27, 2014 at 7:08 am

    Richard Epstein writes:

    “Police officer deaths in the line of duty, year to date for 2014, were 67 of which 27 were by gunfire. For the full year of 2013, the numbers were 105 total deaths, with 30 by gunfire. It would be odd to say that police officer deaths (which are more common than deaths to citizens from police officers) should not count…”

    It would indeed be odd to say that police officer deaths should not count, which is perhaps why no one says this. Police officer deaths are counted but the literal truth is that we don’t count deaths to citizens. No one knows for sure exactly how many citizens are killed by police because the government doesn’t keep a count. Draw your own conclusions. What we do know, is that it is not true that police officer deaths are more common than deaths to citizens from police officers. Not even close.

    105 officers were killed in the line of duty in 2013 but to be clear this includes heart attacks, falls, and automobile accidents. Deaths due to violent conflict include 30 deaths by gunfire, 5 vehicular assaults, 2 stabbings and a bomb. To be conservative, let’s say 50 deaths to police at the hands of citizens.

    According to the FBI there are around 400 justifiable homicides by police every year, where justified is defined as the killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty. But note that if the killing of Michael Brown is found to be unjustified it won’t show up in these statistics.

    The best information we have of citizens killed by the police, believe it or not, are private tabulations from newspaper accounts. On the basis of one such collection, DataLab at FiveThirtyEight estimates that police kill 1000 people a year.

    Thus, killings by police seem to be on the order of 10 to 20 times higher than killings of police.

    161 comments 160 471 Reddit10 660

  8. grim says:

    9 – Amazing the shit that floats down the Gowanus.

  9. “Government engineered false-flag terrorism is a historically established fact. With all this hype circling ISIS, I have to suggest that maybe, just maybe, we are being given the ultimate scapegoat for the ultimate false flag attack. I believe the time is in fact ripe for a large scale false-flag on American soil.

    The goal will be to terrify you and those around you into seeking out a more powerful, more centralized government authority to protect your security, to provide cover for the continued planned collapse of American society into third world status, and out of these ashes, the centralization of the political and financial foundations of our world into the hands of an elite few.”

  10. Great stuff from the article above:

    “The cartoonish nature of ISIS is not accidental, but I can see why they frighten a subset of the American population; if I didn’t know that they were funded by the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, with military aid from Israel, then I might find them a terrifying enigma as well.

    ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was held at a U.S. run detention facility called Camp Bucca from 2005 until 2009. Before his imprisonment, Baghdadi’s friends and family reported him to be a “quiet, studious fellow who was also a talented soccer player”. Only one year after being released from U.S. detention, however, he was a fanatical Islamic extremist who would go on to command the ISIS caliphate. In 2011, the U.S. State Department listed Bagdhadi as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist” with a bounty of $10 million. There is no public record as to why Baghdadi was originally detained.

    Former U.S. Air Force security officer, James Skylar Gerrond, served at Camp Bucca while Bagdhadi was held there, and is quoted as saying “Many of us at Camp Bucca were concerned that instead of just holding detainees, we had created a pressure cooker for extremism.”

  11. grim says:

    12 – Kind of like a networking mixer for extremists?

  12. anon (the good one) says:

    @pourmecoffee: Never forget Eric Cantor’s perfect GOP Labor Day tweet, celebrating management

    @robwiii: @pourmecoffee And he’s considered too moderate for the TEA PARTY wack jobs LOL

  13. Juice Box says:

    Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi? Apparently McCain and him have been seen toghether in Syria.

  14. anon (the good one) says:

    I’d like a list of conflicts where JohnMcCain doesn’t support US intervention. Would be more tweetable.

  15. grim says:

    Just realized that Samuel L. Jackson is the robber in Coming to America, mind blown.

  16. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    [19] grim,

    Yup. An early role.

  17. “There’s a passage I got memorized,
    seems appropriate for this situation:
    Ezekiel 25:17. “The path of the
    righteous man is beset on all sides
    by the inequities of the selfish and
    the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is
    he who, in the name of charity and
    good will, shepherds the weak through
    the valley of darkness, for he is
    truly his brother’s keeper and the
    finder of lost children. And I will
    strike down upon thee with great
    vengeance and furious anger those
    who attempt to poison and destroy my
    brothers. And you will know my name
    is the Lord when I lay my vengeance
    upon you.”

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    A: Dead in Toms River
    Q: What is the ultimate humiliation?

  19. Painhrtz - Disobey! says:

    Thanks clot per on the wall happened yesterday as well as a fecally loaded Dora underpants hurled in my direction. Why in gods name after you do this once do you go back for more? Are you all masochists?

  20. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [8] hewhomustnotbementioned,

    “Thus, killings by police seem to be on the order of 10 to 20 times higher than killings of police.”

    This is a desired result under liberal antigun policies.

    Perverse you say? Well, seemingly so but the gun control crowd wants weapons reserved to the hands of M&P. And since no one disputes that criminals will keep and obtain weapons, even under a prohibition, this means that shootings btwn police and hoods will continue.

    Naturally, no one advocates dead cops, except perhaps for clot and maybe Joyce. Most folks want the police to win those battles so this means dead civilians are preferred to dead cops. Thus, the order of magnitude is actually not low enough for gun controllers as they would prefer no police deaths, only hoods. Now, they will say that banning guns will lower all deaths, and that is likely true in a universal sense, but it has no direct impact on police shooting stats in that these are hoods so the prohibition matters not to them.

    Perhaps volume decreases somewhat if our new national Stasi has done its job with mass nationwide searches and seizures and far tighter border control, but that is what would be required. But the fact remains– police shootings would not only continue but would be more commonplace because everyone with a weapon would be deemed a dangerous criminal and deadly force authorized.

    Thus, the order of magnitude climbs higher as more hoods are gunned down. And the left has to be okay with this because they enabled it.

  21. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [23] pain,

    This too shall pass.

    BTW, I still owe you something. Email me at

  22. 30 year realtor says:

    #24 – Isn’t all the uproar about use of deadly force by police against unarmed civilians?

  23. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [26] 30

    No, not entirely. Makes for sexier news coverage but is only a facet of the issue.

  24. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    Rams released Michael Sam. Gonna be fun reading all the hate coming from people who already disdain football.

  25. Fast Eddie says:

    The Rams were solid at the DE position; the guy was borderline even if they weren’t stacked. Guys get cut but the p.ussy liberals will try to extend the storyline.

  26. Michael says:

    I finally realize why there was an attack on pension systems. Just follow the money. It’s getting to the point where I am ashamed by the actions of this power players in this country. They knocked pensions and pushed 401k’s for one main reason, make money off the fees(ripoff fees I might add) of 401k plans. What a disgrace.

    “It’s no fluke. Pension plans often beat 401(k) plans. Since 1995, Towers Watson found, defined benefit plans outperformed by 76 basis points annually (0.76%). The did so in nearly all of those years except years in which stocks boomed, such as 2009.

    Part of the reason is mutual fund fees. Mutual funds in the plans studied had weighted average expenses of 65 basis points in 2011, a drag which reduced overall returns by 31 basis points. Nearly half of the 401(k)-type plans were composed of mutual funds, compared to just 14% in the pension-style plans.

    “The spread between the two has been narrowing, and with many sponsors adjusting the asset allocation strategy of their DB plans to better match assets to liabilities, the disparity may diminish further in the future,” said Chris DeMeo, head of Investment, Americas, at Towers Watson.

    Translation: Pension plans do a better job with less risk.

    Best possible plan

    It’s heartening that 401(k)s are changing. The trend suggests that the best possible investment plan for most working people would be one that combines the tax breaks of a 401(k) with the passive, long-term, low-cost perspectives common to pension plans and a solid rebalancing strategy to back it up.

    One way to “roll your own” pension plan is to work for a large employer who can negotiate with plan administrators and thus provide access to low-cost index products. Another is to be self-employed and control your own plan.

    Folks in the middle, and there are millions of them, need better choices. Pension plans won’t make a comeback, but there’s no reason individual savers using IRAs and 401(k) plans can’t be offered the same low-cost tools enjoyed by big employers and state-run pension plans.”

  27. Essex says:

    Le Reddit Army is here!

  28. NJT says:

    Michael (#30)

    Another option (as you know) is to be a landlord. Just about FULL control (depends what county) of your ‘retirment’ investment (Property instead of financial instruments) monies.

    Oh, wait, it’s WORK! (hardly, not a 9-5+ gig with the boss breathing down your neck). Stay on top of maint. (couple hours a week) and there’s not much that’ll be a surprise. “Emergency’ repairs (unexpected plumbing or electrical repairs ect.) should be easily paid for with $ put aside for that. Anything else is at your leisure.

    Rents rise with inflation so no worry about COL increases (for you).

    As with everything the longer you do it the easier it gets (After a while NOTHING about people will surprise you). Crazy people/stuff, the cops and eventually the Sheriff handle (Depends where and your circumstance but here rather quickly).

    I have releatives that retired and moved down south. Turned out they still need to have a part-time job and HATE going there (at 65 I know I’d have trouble taking direction from 30 year old retail ‘manager’, to say the least heck I couldn’t do it now).

    Many I know my age (I”m NOT near 65) want to leave NJ. I don’t. OK, OK, I’m blocks away from PA but still, I’m in NJ.

    Again, it’s not for everyone…that’s why there’s renters!

  29. Michael says:

    32- Honestly, I would much rather have a tax differed plan to invest in income producing properties as opposed to 401k or a pension. The reason the govt will not support this option, people can’t make money off the fees like they do with the 401k and pensions. Nothing more than scammers. Really makes me sick. They complain that people are not saving enough money towards retirement, meanwhile they allow people to take away (scam) insane amounts in fees for doing nothing. Criminal, how they take advantage of people’s lack of knowledge when it comes to investing. Wrong in every way.

  30. Michael says:

    This a comment from some article about college tuition that I thought was worth sharing. Think this comment makes a lot of good points.

    “My tuition at Rutgers in 1984 was $3600..a YEAR including all the extra fees. Tuition has tripled since then relative to the family income. Every year that 2-5% compounded adds up. Of they hide the increases in some BS “fee” rather than putting the increase in the tuition costs. California has arguably the finest public Colleges in the country..and their cost is half of NJ. In Georgia a “B” average gets you FREE tuition.

    The numbers we see for what the”average” student pays are also bogus. They include all the kids getting free rides due to athletics, band, grades etc…I want to see the average debt load for kids that actually have to PAY their way. Academic scholarship is a joke. The top 10% take 80% of the funds. Everyone else gets a scrap. A dance team member can get a free ride…that the taxpayer has to pay for. If you are the typical kid with a 3.5 from a quality high school, you get NOTHING.

    After going through this for the last 4 years with my kids, I learned a lot. Daughter at TCNJ. Graduated w/a 3.95 from a top NJ HS, honors, AP etc…we were told she “was lucky just to get in”. The aid officer told us to “sell our house” to pay for it. She got NOTHING. Yet her friend from the same HS with a 4.1 got a full ride.

    The self-employed have a major advantage. If you are a W-2 employee and have a family income over $65K a get nothing or damn close to it. The people who actually pay the taxes get squat while the people who pay no taxes get all kinds of aid. We get loans at 8%! Anyone who can fudge income, shift income to other years, or compensate themselves in ways other than cash (co cars, co housing etc..) can claim near-poverty on the FAFSA and again, get all kinds of free cash. I have a friend who owns a 2 MIL business and his kid gets NEED-based full ride. Guess they never saw the kids company leased BMW or his yearly 3 weeks in Hawaii.

    According to the Feds..if your family income passes 100K, you are SO wealthy that you get nothing from them. Don’t even ask.

    The entire system is broken. The schools don;t ask the right questions or look in the right places. It’s so easy to hide assets that you can appear broke while others making less have to pay a lot more. Teh way scholarships are handed out is arbitrary and fraught with bias. A kid from some crappy High School in Camden who gets a 4.0 because he/she can spell his/her name and count to 10 will get a better grant than a kid from a very tough HS who “only” got a 3.5 but can do College Calculus.

    All I can say is thank goodness my Daughter got a decent job with her school to offset costs. With what we had and the job she still has $30K in loans. My son, in DC about to graduate from a Physicians Assistants program will have $110K in loans! In his class (which started at 200+ kids and all but 23 flunked out after 4 years) he is the ONLY kid not getting grants. Why? Because we didn’t cheat on our FAFSA (seems we are the ONLY people who own a home and claim it’s value. Everyone else puts ZERO on that line). If I stayed home and didn’t work and sucked off of welfare, food stamps, Unemployment, heating assistance etc…He could have gone for LESS THAN HALF the cost. You see…any form of welfare doesn’t count as income…so you get free money and your kid gets free money for school.

    Bottom line…do your homework because College is NOT what you thing it will be. Better to be poor, better to come from a ‘disadvantaged” back round. Better to be a minority, better to be on public assistance. What you do NOT want to be is a W-2 earning, middle class, 2-parent household with high-achieving (but not quite a grade-inflated 4.3) kids from a quality HS because they will hold you upside and shake the last nickel from your pocket and then stuff a big, fat 20yr IOU in your wallet. “

  31. pain (23)-

    How deep are you into that handle of Scotch now?

  32. I’m only for dead cops once they show their true colors when the revolution starts.

    These guys are nothing more than muscle for their political benefactors and the wealthy.

  33. Joyce says:


    Or maybe we could change the causes of high tuition rather than b-tch about the effects.

  34. 1987 condo says:

    #34…. Much truth here, going through same….look forward to the njrereport college finance equivalent blog in 15 years from you all……you think real estate was a scam….lol, at least you got a house!

  35. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    Well, at least ammo will start getting cheaper. Something I have been patiently waiting for.

    Now that sales are down, prices have started coming down. I bought plenty in 2008-09 so I haven’t been in the market for ammo for years. I figure next year, it will be safe to stock up again.

  36. Comrade Nom Deplume, a.k.a. Captain Justice says:

    [29] eddie

    Sam is done. The Rams gave him a shot at a position they were already stacked at, and cut him only at the end. My guess was that they probably had no intention of keeping him and held out until the end to cut him.

    He won’t be signed to the practice squad, nor will he be picked up in free agency. No team will pick him up because of the media circus that will attend to it, and besides, the Rams already vetted him. So these teams have cover for saying “no interest.”

    He is done with football. Might as well try to get a college commentator gig.

  37. Michael says:


    1987 condo says:
    August 31, 2014 at 7:39 pm
    #34…. Much truth here, going through same….look forward to the njrereport college finance equivalent blog in 15 years from you all……you think real estate was a scam….lol, at least you got a house!

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