NJ tops United Van Lines migration report again

From the Star Ledger:

People are fleeing N.J. faster than any other state, moving company says

Nearly two of every three families making an interstate move involving New Jersey last year were leaving the Garden State, the highest rate in the country.

New Jersey had the greatest percentage of outbound moves of any state nationally last year with almost 65 percent departing, according to a company which bills itself as the largest transporter of household goods in the country.

The Garden State has led the nation in outward migration for the fourth time in five years.

In all, United said it tracked 4,003 moves out of New Jersey in 2014 compared to 2,169 inbound.

Nearly half of those leaving New Jersey were bound for Florida (15 percent), California (14), Texas (9) and North Carolina (7.5), spokeswoman Melissa Sullivan told NJ Advance Media.

Retirement and jobs were the top reasons to leave the state last year, according to a United Survey of departing New Jerseyans.

Among the other states where more people moved out than in, New York’s rate was second at 64 percent with Illinois third (63 percent). Two other northeast states also ranked in the top 10 — Pennsylvania was ninth and Connecticut 10th.

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158 Responses to NJ tops United Van Lines migration report again

  1. Toxic Crayons says:

    Get me out of here!

  2. Toxic Crayons says:

    @GovtsTheProblem: 60% of @GOP voters want Boehner replaced as Speaker. Tomorrow we find out if Congress Republicans are Representatives or NOT.
    #FireBoehner

  3. Liquor Luge says:

    Prepare for final doom.

  4. Liquor Luge says:

    Rethuglicans living up to their reputation.

  5. Liquor Luge says:

    Fascism is alive and we’ll.

  6. Essex says:

    Boehner….stop you’ll make him cry in another maudlin display.

  7. anon (the good one) says:

    right wingers shouldn’t be allowed to attend liberal schools. stand by your extremist right wing principles

  8. anon (the good one) says:

    @njdotcom: Dallas owner Jerry Jones paid for Chris Christie’s trip to root for Cowboys, including private jet

  9. anon (the good one) says:

    @CramersShirt:
    Chris Christie’s weight loss is not accelerating as fast as the economy.

  10. Grim says:

    Was in the Delta terminal in Minneapolis last night, they replaced most of the wait staff with tablets in just about every restaurant and bar.

  11. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    [7] anon

    And left wingers shouldn’t be allowed to work for private corporations, go to traditional Christian churches, attend private schools, or run businesses.

    Stand by your liberal principles.

  12. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    Good article on the sort of regulatory capture Joyce discusses.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/how-a-credit-unions-left-wing-execs-got-uncle-sam-to-shut-down-the-competition/

    I can tell you from first-hand experience that the players and the facts in this saga ring true. It is actually another facet of the sort of interaction that Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are involved in concerning banks and the shakedowns they apply to get funding. But this isn’t an issue that cropped up under Obama; the Clinton administration tried to shut down payday lending through the bank regulators but on a much lower scale, and liberal activist groups have been trying to shut down subprime and payday lending for decades.

    One thing that the article does point out well are the follow on effects when liberals are actually successful. It is reminiscent of the time Georgia passed a law to impose liability on downstream creditors, only to reverse the law quickly when it became apparent that it would end, or at least severly curtail, mortgage lending in their state.

  13. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    One thing that the headline article doesn’t really explain is the fact that while outmigration from New Jersey seems to be significant, it hasn’t resulted in a decline in housing prices.

    Seems to be a conundrum, does it not? Or are the van lines statistics really just a very poor indicator?

  14. Mike says:

    10 Year Below 2.00%

  15. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    [7] anon

    But I must say that I appreciate your newfound respect for freedom of association. Would you be willing to let all groups, Liberal and conservative, exclude who they didn’t like? In all settings?

    >jeopardy theme plays in the background while we wait for anon to process this<

  16. Ottoman says:

    So this is really just marketing fluff meant to get their brand in the news. Anyone who uses Uhaul or a couple of pickup trucks isn’t included.

    “United has tracked migration patterns annually on a state-by-state basis since 1977. For 2014, the study is based on household moves handled by United within the 48 contiguous states and Washington, D.C. United classifies states as “high inbound” if 55 percent or more of the moves are going into a state, “high outbound” if 55 percent or more moves were coming out of a state or “balanced” if the difference between inbound and outbound is negligible.”

  17. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    Two more cops shot in NYC

    anon’s head just might explode from his internal conflict on this one.

  18. Xolepa says:

    (13) Remember for every 1 family exiting NJ, you have coming in: 1 Chinese family, 3 generations of an Indian family, and 6 Hispanics

  19. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    [17] footrest

    A rare day when I agree with footrest on something. It is a poor indicator at best and deceptive at worst.

  20. grim says:

    The main criticism of the United “study” is that it simply isn’t a clear-cut indicator of in-and-out migration. To some extent, it is biased by household size, as well as where and how United Van Lines does business.

    In addition, the sample size is very small comparatively. I believe for NJ, this looked at some 4000 out-migrations and 2000 in-migrations.

    To put it another way, a young family moving to NJ is doing do with a u-haul or a car or two full of belongings. Retirees moving out of state with a house full of furnishings are using United.

    The United data doesn’t correlate with Census/ACS population statistics, which shows NJ population continuing to grow.

  21. grim says:

    For example, Census estimates have NJ population up by 27,000 from July 1 2013 to July 1 2014.

  22. A Home Buyer says:

    86 -NJT (Previous Thread)

    I am fairly confident in the estimated price. Homes sold in the area for complete renovations start at around 30K less then what we plan (and hope!) on selling this house for. In this segment of the used home market (under 200K and 1000K sq ft), if a “floor” price ever existed for real estate you’d find it there (again, hopefully!).

    The problem with the family (both sides) was we had a plan to move out of state, and they were thinking of following us. Both now decided to go elsewhere (separately), making any move slightly less attractive. As it turns out, we may unfortunately stay in New Jersey and take our chances in the south. We are both career level professionals and relocating is possible, but the calculus worked best when we had our families joining us.

    The future of New Jersey scares me. Between the extremists of both political parties to the dope epidemic, I’m not sure what the state is going to look like in 10 years. But the evil we know is at least mentally easier to deal with than the evil we don’t.

  23. Ottoman says:

    Since political leaning isn’t a protected class, liberal colleges already have the right to ban right wingers from their midst. Of course the case could be made that right wingers are mentally deficient, thereby granting them non discrimination protections. Just submit the comments section of this blog to any judge…

    [7] anon

    But I must say that I appreciate your newfound respect for freedom of association. Would you be willing to let all groups, Liberal and conservative, exclude who they didn’t like? In all settings?

    >jeopardy theme plays in the background while we wait for anon to process this<

  24. grim says:

    Another example, Atlas Van Lines showed a significantly smaller outmigration percentage than United:

    http://www.atlasvanlines.com/migration-patterns/

  25. Comrade Nom Deplume, Guardian of the Realm says:

    [24] footrest,

    Happy to submit your comments. Where do you work again?

    To your point about political leanings being a protected class, it is true that this is not a protected class at the federal level. There are some states that protect political expression or affiliation in employment.

    Putting that aside, I have no doubt that you’d be the first to scream for prosecutions should and employer refuse to hire Democrats, or a shop owner refuse to serve a couple wearing Obama shirts. And since you no doubt supported the federal government action concerning Bob Jones University’s tax exemption, should the shoe wind up on the other foot, may we count on your support if a liberal school suddenly finds its tax exemption in jeopardy for excluding, say, white males? Because somehow I doubt you would be down with that.

  26. Libturd in Union says:

    “Was in the Delta terminal in Minneapolis last night, they replaced most of the wait staff with tablets in just about every restaurant and bar.”

    Saw the same thing in the Delta terminal 2 at JFK last week.

    “Census estimates have NJ population up by 27,000 from July 1 2013 to July 1 2014.”

    That’s only if you include the Democratic votes received from dead citizens.

  27. chicagofinance says:

    Many of the right may be stupid, but a good number of liberals are stupid and lazy…..a lethal combo……

    Ottoman says:
    January 6, 2015 at 9:22 am
    Since political leaning isn’t a protected class, liberal colleges already have the right to ban right wingers from their midst. Of course the case could be made that right wingers are mentally deficient, thereby granting them non discrimination protections. Just submit the comments section of this blog to any judge…

    [7] anon

    But I must say that I appreciate your newfound respect for freedom of association. Would you be willing to let all groups, Liberal and conservative, exclude who they didn’t like? In all settings?

    >jeopardy theme plays in the background while we wait for anon to process this<

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    Ottoman,

    It would be interesting to hear your views at the next get-together.

    I look forward to it.

  29. Anon E. Moose says:

    Troll [7];

    How about we all wear little yellow patches so you can easily pick us out on the street?

  30. Fast Eddie says:

    Statler Waldorf,

    I can write a check for at least 20% down, on the spot, moments notice. Does that answer your question?

  31. Ragnar says:

    I was briefly watching bloomberg TV this morning with Betty Liu attempting to seem less a bimbo by mimicking the NY Times editorial view. She had on two “Republican” guests, seemed some sort of lobbyists, and all three of them were bemoaning how the tea party wing were “extremists” taking down the party. The lobbyists of course don’t want any principled opposition to pork barrel rolling now that their time has come. And lil Betty has been taught to call the hard leftists “principled idealists” while those principled idealists on the right are called extremists, enemies of “pragmatic solutions” and “common ground”, i.e. more big government programs and spending.

  32. Juice Box says:

    re: # 16 – Mercedes

    A quick search show no jobs listed in Montvale so most likely they aren’t staying.

  33. jcer says:

    Ragnar, ever notice how both Republicans and Democrats are manned by people who have never really done anything, don’t know how to run anything and have pretty much never earned an honest dollar in their lives. I don’t care who you support but the government in this country is a kleptocracy, the last 16 years 2 terms of Bush and 2 terms of Obama is depressing. I wouldn’t trust either of those guys to run a concession stand let alone the greatest power in the free world. The politics on both sides are not pragmatic and largely do not represent the populous. People need policy that works and we are not getting it. I largely agree with market based approaches and a libertarian like platform but also see the need for government intervention, regulation, and a safety net because lets face it when left to their own devices people like anon don’t would end up as indigents.

  34. Fast Eddie says:

    Can any of you bleeding heart l1berals tell me where the $887,000,000,000 went for shovel ready jobs? Because, now that oil is priced very low and gas is more affordable, the dem0crats are proposing a gas tax for… (drum roll)… infrastructure projects. I await your answers.

  35. Statler Waldorf says:

    Fast Eddie, yes, it does. Sounds like you’re ready to strike when the right house hits the market. Good luck.

  36. Xolepa says:

    A fellow worker of mine, Manager level, went on permanent LOA, now LTD. He was based in NJ, but like most of us, worked from home. The company is now looking for a replacement. North Carolina, of course.

  37. joyce says:

    (previous post in moderation?)

    Prosecutors Burn Down the Law

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/prosecutors-burn-down-the-law-1420242330

    Judge: “The cost of Plaintiff Cal Fire’s conduct is too much for the administration of justice to bear.”
    Author: Judge Shubb has an obligation to sanction these legal abuses with enough force that prosecutors across the country get the message.

    good thing the govt will levy fines toward a govt agency to clean up this mess.
    we wouldn’t want to waste space in the crowded prisons

  38. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [38] joyce,

    More news that isn’t, at least to those of us who have seen DoJ workings up close and personal.

    After my first federal clerkship, I was left with the firm and unyielding conviction that I’d sooner trust mobsters than the feds. When you shake hands with the federal government, count your fingers afterwards.

  39. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [35] eddie,

    to be fair, at least to the second part of your post, the GOP’s Thune is also championing a gas tax.

    And as a principle of small government conservative doctrine, a gas tax is preferable to the sort of redistribution presently employed for infrastructure as it taxes those most directly who benefit most directly from the spending, and the indirect or collateral effects are muted.

  40. joyce says:

    It’s more than just the Feds

  41. Toxic Crayons says:

    Does this mean you are for vouchers and Charter schools now?

    anon (the good one) says:

    January 6, 2015 at 8:18 am

    right wingers shouldn’t be allowed to attend liberal schools. stand by your extremist right wing principles

  42. Toxic Crayons says:

    Regarding liberal schools…..

    http://www.creators.com/opinion/walter-williams/liberals-use-of-black-people.html

    Let’s look at some of the ways white liberals use black people.

    The largest and most powerful labor union in the country is the National Education Association, with well over 3 million members. Teachers benefit enormously from their education monopoly. It yields higher pay and lower accountability. It’s a different story for a large percentage of black people who receive fraudulent education. The NEA’s white liberals — aided by black teachers, politicians and so-called black leaders — cooperate to ensure that black parents who want their children to have a better education have few viable choices.

    Whenever there has been a serious push for school choice, educational vouchers, tuition tax credits or even charter schools, the NEA has fought against it. One of the more callous examples of that disregard for black education was New York Mayor Bill de Blasio’s cutback on funding for charter schools where black youngsters were succeeding in getting a better education.

    That was de Blasio’s way of paying back New York’s teachers union for the political support it gave him in his quest for the mayor’s office.

  43. grim says:

    November Corelogic HPI released

    New York-Jersey City-White Plains, NY-NJ CSBA
    Up 4.8% YOY Including Distressed
    Up 5.2% YOY Excluding Distressed

    NJ Statewide
    Up 1.6% YOY Including Distressed
    Up 2.0% YOY Excluding Distressed

    NJ is seriously lagging the country, PA and CT doing just as poorly.

    And no, North Carolina is not the beneficiary.

  44. Toxic Crayons says:

    Ha ha

    @FrankLuntz: Harvard professors angry that health care advice they gave is now being applied to them.

    http://t.co/bHZBIGadrD #ACA #Obamacare

  45. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [42] toxic

    Ever notice when you hammer twitless and footrest for their hypocrisy, they go dark?

    It’s like a small child with their fingers in their ears–to their thinking, if they don’t reply, they aren’t hypocrites.

    Not going to ruminate on it though. I have enough to do and I fell off the wagon again.

  46. 30 year realtor says:

    I just went into attorney review on a property in Bergen County. Contract is subject to a subdivision and some variances. I believe there is a substantial chance that my application will be approved. This will be for me to build a personal residence. I have been looking for more than a year for the right opportunity.

  47. Toxic Crayons says:

    47 –

    Congratulations. I hope it works out. Enjoy the new place.

  48. grim says:

    47 – Building another house to pay for yours? Nice.

  49. Juice Box says:

    Damm new year the Salesmen are crawling out of the walls.

  50. grim says:

    I hope NJ pols will see the Mercedes Benz decision as crossing the rubicon.

    You can downplay and make excuses for many of the recent moves, this one, however, is not so easy, it’s glaring.

  51. grim says:

    This is not back office, this is not industrial, this is not manufacturing, this is not outsourcing. This is 1000 high paying jobs.

  52. grim says:

    BMW is sure to follow

  53. Xolepa says:

    30 year: Great job. Are you going to subcontract on your own or higher a builder? You should have the know-all and experience to do it on your own. Benefits are 20% cost savings minimal with better quality. Disadvantages: lots of stress. Ask me how I know.
    Please feel free to ask for advice when the time comes.

  54. Anon E. Moose says:

    Juice [51];

    As a friend in enterprise computer sales said, “Happy New Year: You’re at 0.0000004% of your quota”.

  55. Fast Eddie says:

    Mercedes leaving, BMW to follow.

    Sell? Sell to whom?

    Of course, the Corelogic HPI will once again rise (eyes rolling).

  56. Anon E. Moose says:

    Tool [9];

    Yeah, go with the fat jokes. That worked real well for Corzine.

    Aside, I think we just outed Tool as a writer for Letterman.

  57. Fast Eddie says:

    I hope NJ pols will see the Mercedes Benz decision as crossing the rubicon.

    Simple solution: modify the property tax rate. Afterall, we’re all wealthy here.

  58. I didn’t see that referendum on the ballot. Maybe an MSNBC poll?

    60% of @GOP voters want Boehner replaced as Speaker.

  59. Libturd in Union says:

    At first, I thought that Mercedes article was going to be about stolen cars. After all, I do live in Essex County, the auto theft capital of the world.

  60. Libturd in Union says:

    ten year at $1.93? Anyone know the cause for the recent drop?

  61. Juice Box says:

    re: # 53- Detroit on the Hudson. There is no fixing it, it will all just crumble. Just like Hertz there is more than just a $40 million dollar kickback from the state. Mercedes can probably save 20 million a year in just payroll expenses alone, and they aren’t expecting 1,000 workers to relocate. Heck they don’t have to offer them anything. Their CEO who has a whopping 9 kids apparently will have an empty nest soon soon as well. Nothing keeping him and his inner circle here.

  62. That made me laugh, Nom.
    [7] anon

    And left wingers shouldn’t be allowed to work for private corporations, go to traditional Christian churches, attend private schools, or run businesses.

    Stand by your liberal principles.

  63. I figure the last chance the Ivy League has is for our children to go help the professors pull their heads out of their a$$es.

  64. 1987 Condo says:

    #62…from WSJ:

    The yield on the benchmark 10-year U.S. Treasury bond fell below 2% on Tuesday for the first time since October, as demand for haven bonds climbed.

    Worries over global economic growth, the threat of deflation in the eurozone, a continued selloff in oil and political turmoil in Greece all continue to boost demand for ultrasafe U.S. government debt, even as the U.S. economy has gained traction and the Federal Reserve has stopped buying bonds.

    The 10-year Treasury yield recently traded at 1.971%, compared with 2.038% a day earlier, according to Tradeweb. Bond prices rise as their yields fall.

    The easing yield comes a day after sliding oil prices sparked a sharp selloff in global equity markets. U.S. stocks continued falling Tuesday while oil prices also kept declining with the U.S. benchmark trading below $50 a barrel.

    Yields in other major government bond markets also tumbled. The yield on the German 10-year government bond fell to a record low of 0.44%, according to Tradeweb. The 10-year Japanese government bond’s yield fell to a record low of 0.285%. The yield on the 10-year U.K. government bond also dropped to 1.584%.
    Oil’s Drop, Europe’s Economy, Stoke Fears
    . The U.S. Treasury Department building in Washington, D.C. ENLARGE
    The U.S. Treasury Department building in Washington, D.C. Associated Press
    .
    “The path of least resistance for the bond market is to lower yields,’’ said Erik Schiller, senior portfolio manager on global government bonds at Prudential Financial Inc.’s fixed-income unit, which oversees $535 billion. “The current level of yields reflects a confluence of global factors that include relatively low growth, very benign inflation, and a relatively high existing debt burden in most of the developed world.”

  65. [17] More importantly, anyone crossing the Mexican desert with new sneakers and 2 milk jugs filled with water isn’t counted either.

    So this is really just marketing fluff meant to get their brand in the news. Anyone who uses Uhaul or a couple of pickup trucks isn’t included.

  66. joyce says:

    Underage drinking task force and credibility

    http://www.thesentinel.com/mont/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=1285%3Aunderage-drinking-task-force-and-credibility&Itemid=750

    If you take Officer Jeremy Smalley and Deputy John Durham at their word, then they failed.

    On the night of January 4 the pair was involved in a raid of a Damascus home where they suspected underage drinking. According to them their goal was to “stop the party and make sure everyone gets home safely.”

    When they were done raiding the home two people had to go to the hospital and many more – according to charging documents – apparently left the scene of the party without being detained.

    Last week defense attorneys Rene Sandler, Chris Griffiths and Terrell Roberts challenged the entire raid as a violation of a homeowner’s Fourth Amendment rights. Circuit Court Judge Steve Salant agreed with them and suppressed the evidence gathered in the raid.

    He noted the many inconsistencies in statements by officers Smalley and Durham – calling some of them “untrue” and “doubtful”. A 26-year veteran of the police department who attended the Damascus party even contradicted testimony offered by the arresting officers.

    Some of this testimony sounded more like bad comedy than serious facts.

    Durham and Smalley claimed they could tell a 21-year-old from a 20-year-old who drank too much by sight. How is that possible? Well according to Smalley and Durham, based on their extensive experience busting underage drinkers you can tell because the way a 21-year-old and a 20-year-old acts is “very different,” Durham said. “It’s exaggerated movements,” he told the court. “Hey look at me,” he added as he waved his arms. He also said urinating outdoors is sometimes a giveaway. Loud music and boisterous laughter also adds into the decision process. I guess I’m doomed to be forever under 21. I will reserve comment in a family newspaper about how an officer claimed he could identify an underage drinker by witnessing him urinate.

    If that sounds funny, additional testimony by Durham was just frightening.

    He told defense attorneys he was unaware of alternative ways to break up a suspected underage drinking party. These alternatives are part of a procedures manual used by the unit Durham works for. The kicker? It was written by Captain Tom Didone of the Montgomery County Police Department. The manual used nationwide to disperse underage drinking parties was unknown to a county sheriff’s deputy charged with dispersing a suspected underage drinking party and who worked for the guy who wrote the manual.

    “I have not read that,” Durham declared from the witness stand.

    Smalley’s testimony was equally frightening. He said the policies and procedures weren’t necessarily stiff rules, but broad guidelines which could be changed on the scene by a police officer. The county has procedures, but according to Smalley the unit he works for is free to ignore them.

    When police raided the home in Damascus a few weeks after Christmas this year, the raid made local television, radio and newspapers because of the “near riot”, the number of people involved and the fact Smalley and Durham claimed the homeowners tried to beat the police officers and take their guns.

    The judge noted that in the subsequent warrant – issued five hours after the raid – the police didn’t mention the alleged assaults. Because of the inconsistencies in the testimony of the two officers, it is questionable such an assault ever even occurred. Indeed the videotape the police tried so hard to get, and which I’ve seen, shows police dragging the homeowner out of his house, handcuffing him and repeatedly tasing him while he offers little to no resistance. Granted something sparked such an outpouring of violence, but the judge’s ruling clearly showed the entire debacle could’ve been avoided had Durham and Smalley done their job correctly and followed the nationwide procedures established by their own Captain.

    The events in the 9400 block of Damascus road on January 4 came after a pizza delivery driver tipped officers about some “young-looking” people drinking. Jumping to conclusions and using questionable methods Smalley and Durham then took fellow officers on a thrill ride through a private party, ripping apart a home, tasing an accountant, his son and arresting his wife and other son. In the process they put others at risk – including other officers and civilians.

    But the damage done is even worse – young people who witnessed this got a very wrong idea of what police work is like. It is why some people do not trust police.

    That cannot be undone. But the excellent work done by local police should not be negated by the questionable acts of some of their officers. The question is – what should be done now?

  67. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [45] toxic

    Finally got around to reading the article. A laugh in every paragraph.

    Not surprisingly, the NYT decided against permitting comments on that one. I can just imagine the brickbats that would be hurled at our august elites should they deign to open the floodgates of derision.

  68. NJT says:

    #27 “That’s only if you include the Democratic votes received from dead citizens.”

    An uncle of mine still votes in Hudson County every year despite being dead for the last 30. Used to joke with another relative (former Assemblyman now Felon) “Boxy vote for ya again?”. “You know it!”.

  69. grim says:

    Stu let me know when you refi again, I may push into a 15yr.

  70. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    Yeah, I know it’s Movoto and its sh1t, but it still is a fun read:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28/best-counties-america_n_5722930.html

    I live in No. 4, have lived in two others, and near 4 others. I guess I just have good taste.

  71. Libturd in Union says:

    Grim, I am a couple years into my two 15s. TNX would have to go nearly negative for it to make sense for me to refi at this point. I suppose a no cost refi at 1.75 on a ten-year would work, but doubt we’ll see that. Lowest 15 I’ve seen so far is 2.875 with fees. Brokers might find good 10-year rates, but they are hard to find online.

    The Chevron on Morris avenue has gas for $1.99 credit. With my Amex Blue Cash credit card, that works out to $1.90 a gallon. Hail Chavez. I’ll stick with those savings for now.

  72. 1987 Condo says:

    #74…Hail Chavez? Hugo? Citgo? Chevron is San Ramon, Ca

  73. Walking Bye says:

    Lets us not forget the 3,00 jobs let go (to date) when Pfizer (Former Wyeth Plant) reduced and began shutting down in 2010. These jobs were just up the road from Montvale in Pearl River. Had 5,000 workers in its heyday (90’s-00).

  74. Libturd in Union says:

    I thought Chevron was as well (or at least many of their oil fields).

    Or maybe I did mix up Chevron with Citgo. Perhaps a little of both?

  75. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    Here’s a late prediction: GOP links a phased-in gas tax increase with Keystone pipeline bill, forcing Obama’s hand and giving them political cover for a tax increase.

    On Grim’s guess-o-meter, this scores as a Wild-Ass Guess.

  76. 1987 Condo says:

    #77…Citgo is the state run oil firm of Venezuela. Chevron is the second largest US/American oil firm, next to Exxon Mobile.

  77. jcer says:

    They have an oil tanker named after Condoleeza Rice..definitely not Chavez. His tanker would probably be named Che Guevara.

  78. Happy Renter says:

    #BlackBrunchNYC

    “Activists stormed brunch spots Sunday to protest police killings . . . . ‘Brunch is symbolic for people of leisure and White Privilege,’ the group explained on Twitter. ‘We’re not violent, but militant: we’re going to hold these spaces.'”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ex-nypd-slams-black-brunch-gun-toting-selfie-article-1.2067134

    I say, my good fellows – shall we meet for brunch, say, Sunday next, to dine and bask in our white privilege?

    I prefer my eggs militant, but not violent, and extra privilege, please; that’s a good chap.

  79. A Home Buyer says:

    81 – Renter

    Lets just remove the brunch part and change two phrases.

    “… is symbolic for people of need and minority status,’ the group explained on Twitter. ‘We’re not violent, but militant: we’re going to hold these spaces”.

    How quickly would the Justice Department be slapping down Hate Crime charges in this case?

  80. POS cape says:

    Re Mercedes:

    Can’t we set them up with something in Camden, next to Subaru?

  81. grim says:

    I have little faith they could put together a passable hollandaise.

  82. NJT says:

    #81

    “I say, my good fellows – shall we meet for brunch, say, Sunday next, to dine and bask in our white privilege?”.

    Sounds mighty bright old chap.

  83. Toxic Crayons says:

    @RobertBluey: Boehner 216
    Pelosi 1
    Webster 12
    Gohmert 3
    Yoho, Jordan 2
    Cooper, DeFazio, Duncan, Gowdy, J. Lewis, McCarthy, Paul, Sessions, Powell 1
    Pres 1

  84. grim says:

    Silly question for the crew, the phrase “Check your privilege” – which definition of the word check applies.

    Initially I thought it was:

    examine (something) in order to determine its accuracy, quality, or condition, or to detect the presence of something.

    As in, “Hey buddy, you better reexamine your position on that issue.” But am I wrong? Is it the second?

    stop or slow down the progress of (something undesirable).

    It seems like the first definition is the real intent, but the second definition is the desired outcome.

    Confused.

  85. 1987 Condo says:

    #87..i thought more of 2nd….like “check” as in halt/stop using it…

  86. Toxic Crayons says:

    81 – Happy

    No worries. They protested in exactly the right place:

    Whoops! #BlackBrunchNYC Targets Major Democratic & Hillary Supporting Restauranteur

    http://gotnews.com/breaking-whoops-blackbrunchnyc-targets-major-democratic-hillary-supporting-restauranteur/

  87. 1987 Condo says:

    #87..or “check” your hat…put it away ….

  88. Toxic Crayons says:

    87 – Grim it is both.

  89. Happy Renter - militant but not violent, now with 25% more privilege! says:

    [89] The deer-in-the-headlights (aka libtard-in-the-ghetto) look on that privileged, white face is priceless.

  90. grim says:

    She looks latina

  91. Libturd in Union says:

    Maybe the restaurant owner should have given to Jesse and/or Sharpton.

    Baa.

  92. Happy Renter - militant but not violent, now with 25% more privilege! says:

    [93] “She looks latina”

    Get her some racial-preferences – stat!

  93. chicagofinance says:

    I agree….also the word WHITE is implied after “your”….

    1987 Condo says:
    January 6, 2015 at 2:44 pm
    #87..i thought more of 2nd….like “check” as in halt/stop using it…

  94. chicagofinance says:

    apologists will argue that WHITE is not implied…..merely any position of strength that purportedly skews someone’s objectivity toward an attitude of intolerance…..

  95. Toxic Crayons says:

    @ByronYork: RT @mikememoli: Let the record show the 114th Congress was just over an hour old before the White House issued a veto threat

  96. Toxic Crayons says:

    @CurtisKalin: White House Claims Obama’s Veto Threat Shows GOP Obstructionism http://t.co/PtBv0Q1pLd #tcot #KeystoneXL http://t.co/Ns4Mszb7vP

  97. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    Brunch is symbolic for people of leisure and White Privilege,’ the group explained on Twitter.

    That has got to be one of the funniest statements I’ve seen this year. Them press decides to quote the most ignorant of the group. Who doesn’t like breakfast or brunch? Especially after protesting the day before and picking up the some hipster.

  98. 1987 Condo says:

    #100….to save money and beat crowds, I take my family out at “Lupper”…that’s 3 pm Sunday at Jose Texas…should I be “checking” something…..(you guys are pretty witty..I can not wait)

  99. 1987 Condo says:

    #101-Texas=Tejas

  100. Toshisung Horiba says:

    Rumor: Chubb property (HQ) off exit 33 on 78 being offered up for repurposing.

  101. Juice Box says:

    Venezuela where oil costs 8 cents a gallon and water 2 dollars is about to go the way of Zimbabwe. Last year the official rate of inflation was 53 percent but as of August the official annualized rate was up to 63 percent, currently the highest in the world. They are about to devalue their currency.

    And they ran out of French Fries.

    http://news.yahoo.com/mcdonalds-runs-french-fries-venezuela-172701168.html;_ylt=AwrTcdnbSqxU4ncA4LUPxQt.

  102. grim says:

    101 – Jose Tejas is a derogatory caricature of Mexican culture and cuisine, you should be ashamed.

  103. joyce says:

    The rich get richer

    Juice Box says:
    January 6, 2015 at 3:54 pm

    Last year the official rate of inflation was 53 percent but as of August the official annualized rate was up to 63 percent, currently the highest in the world. They are about to devalue their currency.

  104. Happy Renter - militant but not violent, now with 25% more privilege! says:

    Jose Tejas . . . is that the place where there’s some sort of all-you-can-eat deal that involves raising a little Mexican flag on your table to signal for the waitress to bring you more tortillas or whatever? I have vague college memories of something like that. Good times.

  105. Toshisung Horiba says:

    jose tejas is tex mex, not mex, and it is awesome.

  106. grim says:

    Eat there often, it’s loud enough that if my 2 year old screams through dinner, nobody else notices. The food is good, especially considering the low price. They are one of the few places that hasn’t raised prices in years. I suspect the food sales are a loss leader for the alcohol. The only negative is you walk out of that place stinking like it, usually need to strip down when you get home from dinner, otherwise the dogs won’t leave you alone.

  107. Toshisung Horiba says:

    i have a mandatory laundry rule after jt.

  108. grim says:

    http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2015/01/mercedes-benz_usa_announces_move_from_montvale_to_atlanta.html#incart_river

    “Ultimately, though, it became apparent that to achieve the sustained, profitable growth and efficiencies we require for the decades ahead, our headquarters would have to be located elsewhere,” Stephen Cannon, president and CEO of the company, said.

  109. grim says:

    damning – to remain in NJ would be unsustainable, unprofitable, and inefficient

  110. Toshisung Horiba says:

    Watch for Chubb to be next. That’s another 2-3k employees (in the HQ bldg).

  111. Fast Eddie says:

    Watch for Chubb to be next. That’s another 2-3k employees (in the HQ bldg).

    Sell? Sell to whom? I want you all to keep telling me that a sh1t split is worth 600K plus. When the whole 287 and 78 corridor is barren, who’s buying?

  112. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    I’m waiting for BlackBrunch to target eateries in my neck of the woods.

    Might look something like the 2:15 mark in this clip.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upvZdVK913I

    Yes, footrest, I know, we’re all privileged and racist. Deal with it.

  113. Toshisung Horiba says:

    Chubb doesn’t own its corp hq anymore. They did a sale leaseback quite some time ago. The lease is up soon, 2-3 years left, and they’re not renewing.

    Time was they wanted to grow their footprint in Whitehouse Station but I’m hearing the odds are against that happening (although it is still possible).

  114. I wonder if punkin’ head is buying RE in Venezuela because inflation makes you money, right?

    Last year the official rate of inflation was 53 percent but as of August the official annualized rate was up to 63 percent, currently the highest in the world. They are about to devalue their currency.

  115. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [99] toxic

    Stunning quote by Josh. At least he loves Big Brother.

  116. Grim says:

    I hear Glamping is the new trend among the wealthy. Fancy RVs, champagne, lobster, smores made with imported chocolate.

    Brunch seems so stuffy in comparison.

  117. “Ultimately, though, it became apparent that to achieve the sustained, profitable growth and efficiencies we require for the decades ahead, our headquarters would have to be located elsewhere, employees will need to be paid a whole hell of a lot less.” Stephen Cannon, president and CEO of the company, said meant.

  118. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    you know, it occurs to me that the same character who typically posts a tweet (or five) for every single gun crime, hasn’t posted a single tweet whenever a cop is shot. Hmmmmm.

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/02/us/wv-officers-shot-during-traffic-stop/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obnetwork

  119. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [119] grim

    Glamping is for hipsters. The wealthy simply get picked up at the airport and driven to their slopeside house in Aspen or Chamonix.

  120. FKA 2010 Buyer says:

    Hmmmm didn’t see that coming.

    JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)’s parts are probably worth more to investors than the whole after regulators proposed tougher rules penalizing firms for size and complexity, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-05/goldman-says-jpmorgan-should-break-itself-into-pieces.html

  121. jcer says:

    The efficiency comment is interesting. From an efficiency standpoint the move to Atlanta is probably a step backwards, from a pure cost perspective and tax situation perspective it is very positive. I’ve seen how people move in the south, people in the north east are moving at a faster clip. I’ll quote fast eddie i’d rather be dead on 48th street than alive in Atlanta. Pretty dreadful city, with the worst airport in america, yes worse than Newark or JFK, how that’s possible, I don’t know.

  122. So Black Brunch is all about showing up and reading some names at restaurants? Big deal. I thought it was something worse like they were sitting down to eat and then tipping just $1 for each adult at the table.

  123. grim says:

    I suspect the number to look at is port traffic into Savannah versus Newark.

    Should Savannah start gaining, end game.

  124. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [124] jcer

    I didn’t like Atlanta either. But I don’t recall ever having issues at Hartsfield.

    Now, I’d rather be dead at LaGuardia than alive at O’Hare.

  125. Comrade Nom Deplume, who needs to stop screwing around and get back to work says:

    [125] expat

    Personally, I like the idea of Black Brunch and all the other protests that essentially target hipster joints and hangouts in democratic cities. Keep it up, I say.

    They will change minds, but I am pretty sure they won’t like the direction those minds are going.

  126. chicagofinance says:

    Best ports by a longshot on the east coast are in order Port of Newark and then the Chesapeake…. the other 15 or so are falling behind in terms of modernizing their infrastructure.

    The widening of the NJTP and the raising of the Bayonne Bridge are the last two pieces…..

  127. Ron Jermany says:

    47: Congrats. Can you drop me your e-mail? Need to pick your brain if not too much trouble. Thanks in advance.

  128. Happy Renter - militant but not violent, now with 25% more privilege! says:

    [117] “I wonder if punkin’ head is buying RE in Venezuela because inflation makes you money, right?”

    Yeah, I don’t get it.

    I know the Great Pumpkin keeps talking about wage inflation, but I don’t know what his point is. Truth be told I skip most of his posts because they are JJ-length (you’re welcome, JJ) and so I can’t even claim to have any disagreement with him.

    But does anyone really doubt that TPTB are turning our currency into toilet paper (i.e. stoking inflation)? Does Pumpkin think this is a good thing?

    I keep hearing the Great Pumpkin talking about “wage inflation” . . . I don’t get it. Does he mean wages will experience inflation that materially outpaces inflation generally? I’m just a janitor, but that seems ridiculous. Where is all that inflated wage money gonna go, Pumpkin? More inflated wage dollars chasing the same amount of stuff . . . do the math.

  129. HR – Punkin’, I think, has conflated and confused an asset that rises with inflation with an asset that outperforms other assets in an inflation-riddled economy. Since we have actual price inflation (for now, here and in Venezuela), the missing component is wage inflation(in the Punkin’s mind). The undereducated like to measure things in dollars, but a dollar is a ruler that changes in size every time you take it out of the drawer to use it. A 1964 Washington quarter buys more gasoline now than it did in 1964. Understand that and you understand a lot.

  130. anon (the good one) says:

    @NewsBreaker:
    BREAKING:
    Active shooter reported at VA hospital in El Paso, TX – @CNN

  131. chicagofinance says:

    check your privilege…..

    anon (the good one) says:
    January 6, 2015 at 6:30 pm
    @NewsBreaker:
    BREAKING:
    Active shooter reported at VA hospital in El Paso, TX – @CNN

  132. inactive shooter reported at clot’s house.

  133. chicagofinance says:

    clot: my Netflix spit out Clockwork Orange ……..any suggestions? or is it mere congratulations?

  134. LOL. chifi and I thought of clot at exactly the same moment.

  135. NJT says:

    #113

    I used to work for Chubb (FTSE) at both major NJ offices (Whitehouse Station and Warren).

    Warren was a ghost town by 2008. Whitehouse Station…every time there was a fire drill it was shocking to see how much the headcount decreased. Since the new CEO (2002) they’ve been slowly outsourcing everything and not replacing terminated or retired employees. I just barely beat the axe.

    They’ll eventually pull a Metlife: Outsource everything except executives and move HQ down south or offshore.

    BTW – The Corp. owns the Warren Property but leases Whitehouse.

    Warren was one of the nicest offices I ever worked at. Like a neat little city with everything you could think of! Even slept over a few times, in a private room!

  136. Liquor Luge says:

    Clockwork Orange is a top-5 of all time. IMO, it’s Kubrick’s masterpiece.

    The book is also one of my all-time faves. Amazingly, it was on my summer reading list in HS. Prolly banned from most skools now.

  137. Liquor Luge says:

    Disclaimer: Hobo With a Shotgun is my favorite movie of all time.

  138. Ragnar says:

    Clockwork Orange the book had a different vibe than the movie. Try the movie, but without kids. Also inspired parts of the South Park movie.

  139. Ragnar says:

    The author was ultimately anti violence, but pro free will. The anti-hero smashes in the skull of a mod hipster with her own statue of a phallus.

  140. Toshisung Horiba says:

    The Corp. owns the Warren Property but leases Whitehouse.

    Negative. Chubb owns Whitehouse and Simsbury, leases everything else. That’s straight out of their latest 10-K.

  141. Libturd at home says:

    You guys all had me laughing tonight. Nice job.

  142. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dead on description. I love this blog.

    grim says:
    January 6, 2015 at 4:27 pm
    Eat there often, it’s loud enough that if my 2 year old screams through dinner, nobody else notices. The food is good, especially considering the low price. They are one of the few places that hasn’t raised prices in years. I suspect the food sales are a loss leader for the alcohol. The only negative is you walk out of that place stinking like it, usually need to strip down when you get home from dinner, otherwise the dogs won’t leave you alone.

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Totally agree. My wife feels the same way too. Pretty much every one have spoken too carries this same sentiment about atl. Those executives are going to hate it. Going from nyc to atl…damn I feel bad for you.

    jcer says:
    January 6, 2015 at 5:23 pm
    The efficiency comment is interesting. From an efficiency standpoint the move to Atlanta is probably a step backwards, from a pure cost perspective and tax situation perspective it is very positive. I’ve seen how people move in the south, people in the north east are moving at a faster clip. I’ll quote fast eddie i’d rather be dead on 48th street than alive in Atlanta. Pretty dreadful city, with the worst airport in america, yes worse than Newark or JFK, how that’s possible, I don’t know.

  144. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let Mercedes go. Sooner or later the vacuum will attract new business. There is no way this state is dying. It has too much going for it. Location is a dream. Just going through a restructuring period, a major one at that if you include AC. Like chi stated earlier, this state has a lot going for it. It will always be useful to some business.

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Our state should focus our investments in two areas, education and infrastructure. If you focus on that, everything else will fall into place. It’s that simple. Great location, so just do these two things right and the rest will fall into place.

  146. Toshisung Horiba says:

    Infrastructure and education in NJ are both significantly more expensive than they need to be. Reasons: Density, regulatory burden, cronyism and labor unions. Except for the density, the rest can and should be fixed. Once addressed, the money for infrastructure and education will come. After all, no one likes potholes but most dislike waste and corruption more than they dislike potholes.

  147. Grim says:

    Again, nobody mentions the key element.

    You need to kill all the politicians.

  148. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like everything, there is the good and the bad. Venezuela is out of control inflation. The equivalent of deflation. Totally screwed. Time to start over. I’m not advocating for this.

    It depends on your situation. If you have debt, inflation (wage inflation specifically) eats away at the value of your loan. It does the work for you. If you own no assests, are not invested, inflation is your enemy. I’m banking on it hard. Maxed out as much cheap money as I could. Now I sit patiently, waiting for it to come. I’m embracing it, because im taking advantage of it. With oil dropping, prob staying low for a year or two, will add super fuel to the economy, it’s rise back up will surely cause inflation strong enough for wage inflation. Oil prices locked it up baby. A strong economy produces wage inflation. That’s why I’m telling you to invest hard right now, economy is just starting to take off. By 2020, the economy will def be roaring. Demographics and improving economy say so.

    Happy Renter – militant but not violent, now with 25% more privilege! says:
    January 6, 2015 at 5:59 pm
    [117] “I wonder if punkin’ head is buying RE in Venezuela because inflation makes you money, right?”

    Yeah, I don’t get it.

    I know the Great Pumpkin keeps talking about wage inflation, but I don’t know what his point is. Truth be told I skip most of his posts because they are JJ-length (you’re welcome, JJ) and so I can’t even claim to have any disagreement with him.

    But does anyone really doubt that TPTB are turning our currency into toilet paper (i.e. stoking inflation)? Does Pumpkin think this is a good thing?

    I keep hearing the Great Pumpkin talking about “wage inflation” . . . I don’t get it. Does he mean wages will experience inflation that materially outpaces inflation generally? I’m just a janitor, but that seems ridiculous. Where is all that inflated wage money gonna go, Pumpkin? More inflated wage dollars chasing the same amount of stuff . . . do the math.

  149. The Great Pumpkin says:

    151- remember, a lot of people are jumping back in the economy by getting a job. This should def improve demand and have a domino effect on the other parts of the economy. Great time to invest in r.e or u.s stocks. Will def be worth much more in 2025.

  150. Libturd at home says:

    We are fans of Jose Tejas as well for the same reasons everyone else listed. Plus the kids meals come with an adult sized Starburst or M&Ms. Also, the food comes out pretty quick and they have Negra Modelo.

  151. Libturd at home says:

    Why Is NJ Road Construction More Costly Than Anywhere Else? Uh, “Utilities”
    Oct 14th, 2014
    by Don King.

    It costs $2 million dollars a mile to build roads in New Jersey. That’s 8 times the national average, and almost 3 times more than Massachusetts, the next most costly state.

    Why?

    Uh, “utilities.” Because no other state has those, or something.

    The Reason Foundation says New Jersey spends just over $2 million per state-controlled mile on construction, maintenance and administration, triple the roughly $675,000 spent by the next-highest state, Massachusetts, and more than eight times the national average of $162,200. Its pavement conditions nevertheless rank poorly, too, with the state’s only positive ranking being the nation’s fifth-lowest fatality rate.

    “It’s just bad deals that have been made by politicians who get political donations from unions. Project labor agreements and prevailing wage artificially inflate the costs of road work,” said Daryn Iwicki, state director for Americans for Prosperity. “New Jerseyans need answers as to why we do the things that we do here.”

    The reasons don’t lie solely with the higher costs for union labor, said Sen. Paul Sarlo, D-Bergen, the chief operating officer for Joseph M. Sanzari Inc., a major North Jersey general construction company. The state’s dense population, high costs for acquiring land and the expenses for relocating utilities are major factors, he said.

    “That doesn’t happen in many states, in open areas. When you open up a road, there’s so many more utilities,” Sarlo said. “Digging on a street in Union City is a lot different than digging on a street out in Sussex County. Let’s be honest with one another.”

    Honest? Only NJ has utilities? C’mon, that’s so ridiculous a reason I feel dumber for having read it. There are “utilities” everywhere, even in Wyoming. Honest.

    If we were being honest with one another we’d acknowledge the union stranglehold on even the smallest project.

    Sen. Gerald Cardinale, R-Bergen, says costs are pushed higher by requirements such as the state’s prevailing wage law. That’s been on the books for more than a century and sets standards, such as salaries, benefits and overtime, for public construction projects.

    “What actually happens with prevailing wage is you get a number of work rules and other factors coming into the process which raise the cost,” he said. “There are studies which have shown that those raise the cost about 40 percent. That’s not a small amount of money, and that causes us to get less bang for our buck.”

    And, if we were being honest with one another we’d definitely mention the econut-inspired hoops all construction jobs have to jump through.

    The Sierra Club sues every time somebody tries to fix up a doghouse. Their lawyers are first on the scene whenever a road is built, gumming up the works with inane injunctions on behalf of turtles, pigeons, or worms. Try to cut down a tree and they’ll complain about the loss of termite habitat. Think about paving over part of a swamp and they’re out there advocating for the mosquitoes.

    All that litigation, and the paperwork required to overcome it, is what really drives up construction costs. For example, even after the state obtained all the necessary permits for raising the Bayonne Bridge, environmental activists sued to invalidate them.

    Time is money, and nobody wastes our time quite like the econuts.

    And of course, while they’re standing around waiting for the latest set of redundant environmental studies to be approved, the all-union construction crew is earning top dollar day after non-productive day.

    It’s almost as if the unions and the environmentalists are in cahoots, along with the politicians they’ve bought and paid for, to drag out every project for as long as possible, because then everybody’s fees can really ramp up. You really couldn’t envision a more perfect confluence of corruption if you tried, and we all know that corruption and New Jersey are practically synonymous.

    There, now we’re being honest with one another.

  152. NJT says:

    #143

    You’re right, now. Forgot about Simsbury but not the hot chick there or her boss who bailed and left her to the wolves.

    Glad to be gone, from there. Whew. Every day was a battle, in every way.

    No more.

  153. Ragnar says:

    Privatize roads and all transportation. So obvious, yet the populace falls for the big lies from the blood suckers and their academic bootleggers and think it’s impossible. You really think markets are worse than these state run money traps? GPS and REID make full scale transportation much easier now than before.
    This is the ultimate way to “kill the politicians” by unshackling your life from their schemes.

  154. joyce says:

    chicagofinance,

    If the figures in 154 are accurate, now we have another measuring stick. cost to build a road vs the cost to widen GSP lanes … not apples to apples but just seems so high in comparison

  155. joyce says:

    Libturd/Ragnar,

    And do they still (only) use cost-plus contracts?

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