NYC/Philly – US Economic Powerhouse

Posted on February 18, 2016 by grim

I thought this was fitting, given the discussion about NYC/Philly GDP and US economic contribution:

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102 Responses to NYC/Philly – US Economic Powerhouse

D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 7:28 am

So, at first, I didn’t understand what the grey area represented…until I found the graphic on the article in which it came from…and the associated animated gif image.

I had the same reaction that a commenter on the article had….it looks eerily similar to China…
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 7:40 am

By the way, Can I just comment on the Apple story for a second?

There’s a reason they are making such a fuss about decrypting the San Bernardino phones. It’s purely a business decision to whine about the FBI’s request to access the data on the phone. I don’t believe it’s because they care so much about our privacy.

Years ago, there was a story that was reported where middle eastern countries were upset with Blackberry because their encryption was so good, they could not spy on their own citizens. Blackberry apologized and immediately capitulated. It was [one of] the dumbest things they ever did.

Blackberry used to be the smart phone of choice for the Federal Government because their encryption was so good. It was a selling point. To give middle eastern countries the ability to see what was happening on blackberry phones so easily undid that reputation.

I believe Apple executives learned from this lesson and everyone in the press reporting “how good” Apple encryption is really is just giving them free advertising.
Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

February 18, 2016 at 7:46 am

Leftwing (prior thread)

Cool VT skiing story. Funny sh1t.

The last time I went skiing in Vermont with my friends, we had to avoid the state for several years until the statute of limitations ran out
Captain Nom Deplume of the Adventure Men. says:

February 18, 2016 at 7:58 am

I saw that Cabelas beats estimates even though its traditional gear lines sales were soft due to weather. I wonder what made up for the increase in revenues?

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/06/news/obama-gun-control-sales/
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:01 am

Apple Unlocked iPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before
A 2015 court case shows that the tech giant has been willing to play ball with the government before—and is only stopping now because it might ‘tarnish the Apple brand.’

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/apple-unlocked-iphones-for-the-feds-70-times-before.html
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:05 am

What really irks me is the legal attack the FBI are attempting, the strong arming.

Get the f*ck out of my information.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:10 am

I work in technology….when we receive subpoenas, we have to comply with them or they threaten us too. It’s no different. Why the fcuk can’t they just unlock the terrorist’s phones? Clearly they have the ability to…given they’ve done it at least 70 times before.

The San Bernardino terrorists gave up their right to privacy when they started shooting innocent people.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:11 am

Yeah, but if they gave up my freedom to privacy when they started shooting, they won.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:14 am

8 – I’m not clear on why you think you’d be giving up your right to privacy. If the government were to look at the data on your phone today without a warrant, they would be breaking the law.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:16 am

How I understand this – Apple is not being asked to unlock the phone – they are being asked to provide the FBI with software to unlock any phone.

We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone.

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.

The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:16 am

Essex, it is what it is. I don’t want to think certain cultures are a cancer to themselves, but in this case, I can no longer turn a blind eye. If Indians can come here and do well, what’s these cultures problem that have been here for generations with no improvement. They become welfare families who become helpless and reliant on the govt generation after generation. No will to improve.

No I’m not only talking about urban african americans. You have the Appalachian whites who refuse to improve their condition. Continue sitting on their porch living like dirty animals. Proud of this backwards lifestyle and mock the higher class lifestyle. Just because you were born poor, doesn’t mean you have to live like an animal. Barely taking care of yourself and your place of residence. Don’t have a job, hence plenty of time, yet refuse to clean your place of residence. Instead sit on your a$$ all day and do nothing productive with the only life you were given. Something is wrong with the way these people think. Lacking the ability to work hard and fight for their survival.

How can an immigrant, not even speaking the language, come to this country with nothing, and have a better life than these people within 10 years of being here? What’s the excuse for these people? It’s clear, we as a govt and people continue to make excuses for these people’s lack of motivation. I did it for almost 16 years. Blaming the economic system for not creating opportunities for these people, but never blaming these individuals broken mindset that lacks ambition to better themselves. They must enjoy living like this. It’s my only conclusion. They are so lazy, they would rather do nothing and take a govt welfare check to survive, then improve their lot in life. No fight in them to improve their lot in life and America is worse off for it.

We are country that was built on individuals fighting hard to improve their lot in life, that is what made America great at one time. You didn’t have a cancerous population refusing to do anything with their life. Refusing to teach their kids anything, and dooming their offspring to live the same backwards lifestyle over and over again. It’s madness.

Essex says:
February 17, 2016 at 6:24 pm
82. Thus spake…..Candide.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:19 am

Why I will stay right here in northern nj. Get the economic benefits of nyc, but at a huge discount on real estate due to the commute. People that complain about the real estate prices must not realize they are an extension of nyc. Doom and gloomers calling for an end to nj are comical, that means bye bye nyc.

“The Sun Belt’s formula of cheap land, warm climates, and, in Texas’ case, oil have boosted their populations and GDP. But it’s still Wall Street’s world, and the 1 percent’s economy. Nobody is dethroning New York.”
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:20 am

It still doesn’t grant them the right to use it without a warrant.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:23 am

It’s not “certain cultures” or “certain races”. The culprit is certain political philosophies.

Remember that when you pull the lever.

The Great Pumpkin says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:16 am
Essex, it is what it is. I don’t want to think certain cultures are a cancer to themselves, but in this case, I can no longer turn a blind eye
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:23 am

I was thinking about this Apple/FBI issue and maybe it’s all a front. Maybe the FBI is using the media as a ploy to the terrorists to make them think that they don’t have access to the information on that phone. Maybe there is some highly valuable information on that phone and the FBI wants to act like it doesn’t know. I know this is highly unlikely, but you never know.

Though, my money is on Apple using this as business move.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:27 am

Would love if Apple added end to end voice encryption to the next iPhone.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:36 am

Why do we think that terrorists are stupid enough to use common, every day channels of communication? Communicate in ways that are so obvious – despite 60 years of post-cold war espionage techniques. Like – what do they expect – a bunch of text messages between a terrorist cell in Syria?

If I were transacting data – I would embed the data I was trying to transmit as part of the data representation of visual images (aka photographs) – I would embed it in stupid cat memes and use such a blatantly obvious channel like Instagram. I would use my own proprietary cipher and embed technique, and make it so lightweight that the data would need to be spread across hundreds of images. You could get hugely creative, like slightly altering the color, hue, or brightness differences in the millions of pixels between two images. I would then use a series of public social networks, including private channel communications – playstation, pinterest, snapchat, Facebook, twitter, etc etc etc – such that recreating the data stream would be impossible.

There was a recent article that made it’s way around the web – which indicated that a great channel of terrorist communication would be in multiplayer games, where the number of voice streams being transmitted globally is astronomical. Plug in the PS4 – Log into call of duty – team up in a game – and off you go. Take it one step further – use non-voice in games. Why not transact information through Tinder or Grindr?

This is all nuts. When are we going to capitulate and just announce that the US has lost. Because if we abandon all of our freedoms in the name of this war, we’ve lost anyway.

Pretty sure that “the terrorists” have computer scientists that are as good as ours. Meanwhile, the whole time, China is exploiting every back door the US Government forces open.
Looking to Sell says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:42 am

Looking to sell in the future.

Talked to a few realtors and some stuff came up about being a “Dual Agent”. Whats the view on this? Good, bad, run?

Seems like they get more money… to do less work… to increase access to buyers for both of us…

Do I have this wrong?
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:46 am

Yes, but I always wonder, how many of these people even vote? Would political parties bank on these people showing up to vote? I say no. So what it comes down to is the broken mindset that I had (generally the democratic party mindset). Meaning, use the govt to help these people, because they can’t help themselves. Good intentions that go bad. I think that’s the bottom line. You end up hurting the people you are trying dearly to help.

These govt welfare programs have a major impact on their culture and personal philosophies. The family structure is screwed up beyond belief in these cultures due to these handouts. They teach their kids how to rely on the govt as opposed to how to work hard and get ahead. It’s like these programs teach them how to rely on the govt instead of themselves. The programs have good intentions, but you have to teach individuals that nothing is free. Everything has a cost. Just giving them something free is dooming them to this helpless lifestyle. These programs cause them to not get married and have lots of kids. In their broken mindset, this is how you get more money. It’s just madness.

I care about this society. I care about everyone in it. You can think I’m being ruthless with what I’m saying, but I’m just trying to come to grips with why it is like this. This is my conclusion. Maybe, I’m wrong, but this is what it seems like the older I get. I have fought for these people for 16 years, never realizing I was fighting the wrong fight. I was fighting hard to help these people, never realizing that all I was doing was fighting to harm them, and for this I’m truly sorry.

Something is wrong here, that’s all I know. It’s hard to hold people down, mostly, they do it to themselves. No one is holding them back but their backwards thought process.

D-FENS says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:23 am
It’s not “certain cultures” or “certain races”. The culprit is certain political philosophies.

Remember that when you pull the lever.

The Great Pumpkin says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:16 am
Essex, it is what it is. I don’t want to think certain cultures are a cancer to themselves, but in this case, I can no longer turn a blind eye
leftwing says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:50 am

6/8. Grim. Yes, get the fcuk out of my data.

9/13. DFENS. Agreed, but who is watching them to ensure that?

15. Pumps, LOL. Speaking yesterday with a good friend who is a private HS history teacher. His class discussed the topic as a 4th Amendment matter. Consensus among his class of 16 year olds is that it is a smokescreen – Apple battles the US government and ‘wins’ thus establishing the iPhone as a ‘safe’ mode of communication while in fact behind the scenes they give the government what they want in the process hopefully funneling future terrorist data to a specific channel open to the US government.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:50 am

I would think that they want access to the apps on that phone. To see how they were communicating with the cell, but who knows.

grim says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:36 am
Why do we think that terrorists are stupid enough to use common, every day channels of communication? Communicate in ways that are so obvious – despite 60 years of post-cold war espionage techniques. Like – what do they expect – a bunch of text messages between a terrorist cell in Syria?

If I were transacting data – I would embed the data I was trying to transmit as part of the data representation of visual images (aka photographs) – I would embed it in stupid cat memes and use such a blatantly obvious channel like Instagram. I would use my own proprietary cipher and embed technique, and make it so lightweight that the data would need to be spread across hundreds of images. You could get hugely creative, like slightly altering the color, hue, or brightness differences in the millions of pixels between two images. I would then use a series of public social networks, including private channel communications – playstation, pinterest, snapchat, Facebook, twitter, etc etc etc – such that recreating the data stream would be impossible.

There was a recent article that made it’s way around the web – which indicated that a great channel of terrorist communication would be in multiplayer games, where the number of voice streams being transmitted globally is astronomical. Plug in the PS4 – Log into call of duty – team up in a game – and off you go. Take it one step further – use non-voice in games. Why not transact information through Tinder or Grindr?

This is all nuts. When are we going to capitulate and just announce that the US has lost. Because if we abandon all of our freedoms in the name of this war, we’ve lost anyway.

Pretty sure that “the terrorists” have computer scientists that are as good as ours. Meanwhile, the whole time, China is exploiting every back door the US Government forces open.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:52 am

It crosses my mind every time I hear the story.

15. Pumps, LOL. Speaking yesterday with a good friend who is a private HS history teacher. His class discussed the topic as a 4th Amendment matter. Consensus among his class of 16 year olds is that it is a smokescreen – Apple battles the US government and ‘wins’ thus establishing the iPhone as a ‘safe’ mode of communication while in fact behind the scenes they give the government what they want in the process hopefully funneling future terrorist data to a specific channel open to the US government.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:00 am

I agree with you Grim, that Apple should not be forced to program their OS in such a way that the FBI can look at data through a programming back door. That’s an overreach. Apple is the party harmed here…not you or I.

We are harmed when (not if) that backdoor is misused to look at our phones…

However, there is no good reason for Apple to refuse to unlock the San Bernardino shooters’ phones today.
leftwing says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:07 am

23. DFENS. Hard time agreeing with you. Definitely don’t since the government request asks for Apple to create new code that does not exist.

Since when does the government have the right to compel somebody to *make* something that doesn’t exist by way of a search warrant? Even without that though I have serious reservations. Plus, are you really telling me the NSA can’t find a way around a four digit passcode with auto-erase technology? THAT is a much larger concern for me than anything. What the he11 is that big glass building in metro VA stuffed with if they can’t even crack this? How the he11 can we assume any level of security from these agencies if they can’t even crack this?

23. Pumps, warms my heart every time thinking of a bunch of NJ suburban private school kids getting paranoid over the real intentions of big government. Maybe there is hope for this generation and State after all…..
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:08 am

The US uses gps data transmitted from smart phones in Iraq and Syria to bomb suspected terrorists. I guess they’re dumb enough to use smart phones.

And…of course criminals are dumb enough to text their crimes…who can forget this quote:

“It’s time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee”.

grim says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:36 am
Why do we think that terrorists are stupid enough to use common, every day channels of communication? Communicate in ways that are so obvious – despite 60 years of post-cold war espionage techniques. Like – what do they expect – a bunch of text messages between a terrorist cell in Syria?
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:08 am

Yesterday
D-FENS says:
February 17, 2016 at 11:35 am
I wish white privilege were a real thing. I could use some once in a while.

To deny history and the lingering effects of overt racism on the black experience in this country is to deny reality. It really is a very simple concept. The debate is not about whether white privilege exists, the debate is about to what degree it exists.
leftwing says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:11 am

26. “No Irish Need Apply”
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:18 am

leftwing,

I interpret your response to be an affirmation of my position. At some point in American history the Irish received less white privilege than other white groups. Your argument is not about whether the privilege exists, it is about what degree.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:19 am

26 – 30 yr, Respectfully, read all of my posts on the subject. I am not in denial about anything…

– The end of slavery
– The civil rights movement
– The migration of southern Blacks to Northern Cities
– Blockbusting (especially in certain NJ cities)
– The Newark Riots

All issues that affect us here in NJ…and tie in closely to politics and real estate to this day.

I would add that the quote about the “nuclear family” found on the BLM website (which I posted yesterday)…was brought to my attention by a black woman.

The idea that anyone would categorize ALL people of a certain religion…race…or ethnicity is what bothers me…and is my point.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:22 am

Please, it’s not so difficult.

Disassemble the phone, remove the non volatile memory, install the memory in a purpose built device that will remove all data from the chips, and brute force attack the encryption.

I have no doubt they have this technology today.

However, brute force can take a significant amount of time, and the computing resources necessary to brute force likely mean that this can only be executed on a very small number of devices at any one time.

They want to skip all this, and just get the key.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:22 am

Who watches the watchers? The judiciary? Please.
FKA 2010 Buyer says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:25 am

Re: Apple v FBI

This is pretty smart on the FBI’s stance in looking for an answer; how do you (how would Apple) get into an iPhone? Disable the “lock” screen? Or is there another method available? In the end, once Apple confirms (which I think I saw where they have previous done before), the FBI knows it exist.

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The court is ordering the company to “bypass or disable” a feature that automatically wipes an iPhone clean of all its data after 10 incorrect password attempts have been entered. This is a standard feature on iPhones.

Technically, that would not require Apple to decrypt the passcode that blocks access by outsiders to the iPhone. It would allow the government to try an unlimited number of passwords without fear of the phone erasing all of its stored information.

In electronic security parlance, that is what is called a “brute force” attack, and all it takes is time and patience to submit a large number of passcodes. Brute force attacks are usually carried out with the assistance of a powerful computer, which can automatically input millions of different password combinations until it guesses the correct one.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:26 am

31 – I agree, but I don’t really find myself routing for Apple on this one either.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:31 am

If a murder scene occurs inside a locked hotel room, hotel management should give access to the authorities to investigate. If the investigators have a warrant, and hotel management refuses access to the crime scene, the authorities have every right to threaten them with legal action.

They don’t really need keys to every hotel room though…do they?
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:31 am

D-FENS,

What I quoted from you belittles the existence of white privilege. If you know it exists and people suffer to any degree because of it’s existence, why would you belittle it?
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:32 am

re: # 6 – re “Get the f*ck out of my information”

Tim Cook has risen to the level of a defiant teenager, this is an issue of National Security, and even the White House has weighed in.

The iPhone in question and the information contained in this case was not the property of terrorist Farook, but of his employer, San Bernardino County, which consented to the search, and the government has asked for an estimate of the cost to provide the wipe defeat workaround for this one phone and this phone only.

Apple has five days to respond to the request and if they don’t U.S. Magistrate Sheri Pym should issue a writ of body which will send a few US Marshalls down to Tim’s office to pick him up.

It is pretty simple Tim they aren’t weakening AES encryption your people just need to tell them how much and how long it will take to provide an OS update for this one phone using Apples keys to install an OS update created for this one PHONE only to defeat to the wipe feature on this phone so the FBI can do a brute password force attack for this one phone only.
FKA 2010 Buyer says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:32 am

Who was on watch when the Patriot Act was passed that gave the govt the ability to spy on everyday citizens?
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:34 am

35 – I just enjoy antagonizing anon and ottoman.
FKA 2010 Buyer says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:35 am

Apple’s lawyers should ask the court to allow Apple to unlock the phone in-house with court representative so the FBI doesn’t have access to the keys and pass the unlocked on to the FBI.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:37 am

Is it me or does anyone else find it ironic that all of these laws and “acts” all have names that are the complete opposite of what the law actually does.

FKA 2010 Buyer says:
February 18, 2016 at 9:32 am
Who was on watch when the Patriot Act was passed that gave the govt the ability to spy on everyday citizens?
chicagofinance says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:41 am

I read that the iPhone 5c is set up that if you enter 10 bad passwords to unlock the phone, it is set up to wipe the phone clean…..the FBI is asking Apple to suspend that program so it can use tools to guess passwords and eventually get in…….nothing more than that…..they just want to avoid having the phone being wiped…..
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:41 am

That’s the point – if you don’t vote for it, you clearly aren’t a patriot.
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:44 am

re # 31- “Who watches the watchers”

In this republic the people we elect do. This has been debated endlessly in congress and laws have been written starting with the bill of rights and ruled on all the way to the supreme court for two centuries now.
grim says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:52 am

I read that the iPhone 5c is set up that if you enter 10 bad passwords to unlock the phone, it is set up to wipe the phone clean…..the FBI is asking Apple to suspend that program so it can use tools to guess passwords and eventually get in…….nothing more than that…..they just want to avoid having the phone being wiped…..

No, this alone is not sufficient, brute force attack on the phone might take years. Can you imagine having someone sit in front of the phone and type in numbers? If this is the case, it could take hundreds of years to brute force the attack, maybe thousands of years if they use alphanumeric.

They need a way to extract the encryption keys off the device such that they don’t need to brute force.
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:54 am

[38] D-FENS says:

“I just enjoy antagonizing anon and ottoman.”

Well, who doesn’t?
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:57 am

[40] DFENS

“Is it me or does anyone else find it ironic that all of these laws and “acts” all have names that are the complete opposite of what the law actually does.”

LOL. That was my reaction upon reading the Bank Secrecy Act. And the Right to Financial Privacy Act did little to establish any sort of right.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:58 am

I don’t understand how Tim Cook can say the technology to unlock the phone for the FBI doesn’t exist…after having unlocked phones for them 70 times in the past?

Just unlock the phone for them, and tell them if they want the ability to lock every single phone…they’ll need to take you to court to force you to do it.

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession.
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:58 am

There are no keys to be given.

Apple simply needs to create an OS update for this one phone to defeat the wipe feature and sign it with their keys so it will install via side load in the USB Port on the handset, so that the FBI can then unlock it with a brute force password attack.

The programmers over at Apple probably already have a version of this they use for the 5C model in question for test and QA purposes.

Tim and his lawyers are really POed because the government in their very specific order out maneuvered them, the government asked for a very specific estimate on how long and how much it will take to do it. Tim is now being a drama queen going public, they were out done by the FBI in court and now are crying like babies in public.
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:59 am

Joe Biden today on the prospect of Senate obstruction:

“Biden, who presided over Supreme Court confirmation hearings in the Senate, took issue with the notion that a Scalia replacement can’t be confirmed during Obama’s final year.

“To leave the seat vacant at this critical moment in American history is a little bit like saying, ‘God forbid something happen to the president and the vice president, we’re not going to fill the presidency for another year and a half,’ ” Biden said.”

Will someone please shove the transcript of Schumer’s speech under his nose?
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:00 am

#18 – Looking to Sell says:
February 18, 2016 at 8:42 am
Looking to sell in the future.

Talked to a few realtors and some stuff came up about being a “Dual Agent”. Whats the view on this? Good, bad, run?

Seems like they get more money… to do less work… to increase access to buyers for both of us…

Do I have this wrong?

Dual agency is bad law! Before the rules of agency were changed in NJ all real estate agents represented the seller. There was no question about whose interest an agent represented. Under the current rules an agent may be a Buyer’s Agent, Seller’s Agent, Transaction Agent or a Disclosed Dual Agent. The rules require the agent to explain these different types of agency and for client’s to sign an acknowledgement that this has been done. The trouble with being a Disclosed Dual Agent is that nobody is certain who the agent is really representing. The concept leads to potential conflicts of interest.
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:10 am

Apple could even potentailly unlock the phone via their MDM APIs with an OS update.
The Original NJ ExPat says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:11 am

[5] Sure don’t want to lose that “Official Smartphone of ISIS” sponsorship.

‘tarnish the Apple brand.’
The Original NJ ExPat says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:15 am

30 year: In the mid 80’s when I was an agent, this is how I knew it. Just out of interest, when did the law change?

Before the rules of agency were changed in NJ all real estate agents represented the seller.
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:26 am

#53 – ExPat – I can’t remember. Googled it and as best as I can figure out it became a requirement in June of 1992.
FKA 2010 Buyer says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:27 am

[40] D Fens

Give an inch, take a mile always comes into play. We have short memories…

Patriot Act was ok when targeting terrorist but not so much with everyday citizens
Looking to Sell says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:42 am

#50 – 30 year realtor says:
February 18, 2016 at 10:00 am

“Dual agency is bad law! Before the rules of agency were changed in NJ all real estate agents represented the seller. There was no question about whose interest an agent represented. Under the current rules an agent may be a Buyer’s Agent, Seller’s Agent, Transaction Agent or a Disclosed Dual Agent. The rules require the agent to explain these different types of agency and for client’s to sign an acknowledgement that this has been done. The trouble with being a Disclosed Dual Agent is that nobody is certain who the agent is really representing. The concept leads to potential conflicts of interest.”

Is it good to say no then? Will they blackball me or hide my property as revenge?
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:53 am

Title says it all…
http://www.wired.com/2015/04/ny-cops-used-stingray-spy-tool-46-times-without-warrant/
Ragnar says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:55 am

Asking Apple to build backdoor access to their phones specifically for the govt to use is the same as asking all lock makers to add a secondary key hole and key for the government, just in case the government needs it opened.

Just kill the terrorists the old fashioned way.
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:03 am

How they see you- (Info cut and paste)
Two of the things I remember him telling us was that he was taught at the Chicago Police Academy were:

If he was approaching a vehicle and the driver leaned down, he was to assume the driver was going for his gun and to shoot first, asking questions later.
Anyone not wearing a police uniform or who was not clearly a police officer was a criminal who just hadn’t been caught yet – and should be treated accordingly.
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:14 am

Pumps,
See what happens when you try to take the easy way out…….
Take the high road

http://bit.ly/1KY5dCV
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:19 am

A perspective on the Apple case from another angle (cut and paste).

“Just because the FBI doesn’t have this capability, doesn’t mean NSA doesn’t. I think—I don’t know, but I find it entirely believable—that the FBI doesn’t really need this software for its investigation. It can probably get what it wants from NSA in this instance, because the subjects of the investigation had links to foreign persons of interest, which would give NSA legal standing to help out (without having to court Apple’s cooperation). My belief is that the FBI wants this new software created so that it wouldn’t have to rely on NSA (or Apple) for backdoor access in the future.
NSA is tasked with foreign surveillance. It’s not supposed to spy on Americans within American borders (that’s why Snowden did what he did in the first place). The FBI, though, is chartered for domestic investigation and “intelligence gathering” if you want to call it that. So it wants its own backdoor tool, that isn’t restricted to foreign-only investigation. Apple may be willing to work with NSA to help stop the next 9/11, but Cook is drawing the line at domestic law enforcement. And good for him for doing so.”
Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:35 am

I forgot where I read it, but since the expansion of the Patriot act, the improvement in the ability to thwart terrorist attacks has been virtually non-existent. Though, the number of false threats have increased 100-fold, taking away resources from where it used to be more effective using traditional methods of reconnaissance.
Sima says:

February 18, 2016 at 12:20 pm

These debates absolutely remind me of people visiting the Soviet Union countries before 1991 and knowing that all conversations in hotel rooms were monitored.
Monitoring is monitoring – whether by a democracy or a dictatorship.

Totally agree with Grim: “What really irks me is the legal attack the FBI are attempting, the strong arming. Get the f*ck out of my information.” “How I understand this – Apple is not being asked to unlock the phone – they are being asked to provide the FBI with software to unlock any phone.
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 12:40 pm

Re: #61 – NSA might have already gotten the Chinese back door that the chip makers in China inserted. Does not mean we are willing to aknowledge it, since this was not the FISA court order Tim can cry all he wants about it, that is until the US Marshalls come knocking on his door.
NJGator says:

February 18, 2016 at 12:51 pm

30 Year 50 – We wound up firing our last listing agent largely over dual agency with our rentals. We were first advised by our listing agent to sit on first lease we were offered since other showings of our place scheduled. Then that advice abruptly changed to “I think you should sign this one.” with no explanation other than the dual disclosed agency buried in page 7 of the lease application documents.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 12:55 pm

Yes, indeed. Solid advice.

I guess all you can do is work hard everyday, do your job to the best of your ability, don’t screw anyone over, and live for your family by guiding your children with solid values. I will indeed teach my daughter to always take the “high road”. The noise of what is “fair” is all up to the individual. That’s the biggest lesson I will teach my daughter, don’t become obsessed with “fair”or “equal”. There is nothing fair about the world, never was, never will be. Focusing on what’s fair is waste of time, focusing on what you can do with the options presented to you is what matters. No one’s life was meant to be easy and fair, the quicker you learn this, the better off you will be. It will lead to success by concentrating on what you can control, not what you can’t control. Besides, the greatest gift you can give yourself in life is starting at one level and jumping to another. “Improvement” is the greatest gift you can give yourself and it’s also a gift that can only be given to yourself. No one can give you the gift of “self improvement”, it’s only up to the individual. You have to want it and understand the struggle is what makes the journey feel so good. No better feeling than overcoming a struggle. Wish more people were taught this. At the end of your life, did you improve, stay the same, or worse, go backwards? If you make it to old age, this will haunt you if you have done nothing with your life. Blaming others will not comfort you, you can’t lie to yourself.

Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
February 18, 2016 at 11:14 am
Pumps,
See what happens when you try to take the easy way out…….
Take the high road

http://bit.ly/1KY5dCV
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:02 pm

66- In case nobody can tell, a transformation in philosophy is overtaking me. I have grown intellectually and view the world through different eyes. I was so focused on “fair” and “equal” that I lost sight of the simple practicality of life. I am not sorry that I carried this view for so long, but am grateful at the self growth I am going through. That’s what life is about right? Self-improvement and constant reflection.
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:07 pm

History may just repeat itself, who knows?

http://bit.ly/20GPNVQ
Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:10 pm

Plumpy…try thinking for yourself. Everyone who writes something has an agenda. Just learn to filter out the noise and think for yourself. The truth most likely lies somewhere in the middle.
Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:15 pm

Pumps,

“The noise of what is “fair” is all up to the individual.”
“Focusing on what’s fair is waste of time.”
Does not matter, huh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0&t=1m18s
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:27 pm

Hey Pumpi’s

NJ has a couple of school districts listed……

But what about the others…….

http://www.businessinsider.com/best-school-districts-in-america-2016-1/
Libturd supporting the Canklephate says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:34 pm

I love the diversity rating.
joyce says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:56 pm

Please

Juice Box says:
February 18, 2016 at 9:32 am

… to provide the wipe defeat workaround for this one phone and this phone only.
joyce says:

February 18, 2016 at 1:57 pm

And they, initially, never disclosed this evidence to the defense. When a defendant finally found out many instances later, the police/govt hid behind a non-disclosure agreement and the judge said sure no problem.

Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
February 18, 2016 at 10:53 am
Title says it all…
http://www.wired.com/2015/04/ny-cops-used-stingray-spy-tool-46-times-without-warrant/
joyce says:

February 18, 2016 at 2:03 pm

” In case nobody can tell, a transformation in philosophy is overtaking me. ”

nobody cares
yome says:

February 18, 2016 at 2:23 pm

Bernie Sanders interview worth wafching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJjQWaWIxCs
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 2:26 pm

Ugh….when do we get a new pope? Not a fan of this new guy.
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 2:34 pm

[77] D-FENS

Wait until he goes to a hunting ranch in a remote area, and then turns in for the night . . .
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 3:15 pm

[71] Essex

This article must be the one I heard about recently. Tredyffrin-Easttown is pretty close to us and my older daughter goes to private school in Media, also nearby. One of the admins at her school was talking about Conestoga HS being best in the country and I was like “whaaa?”
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm

[67] pumpkin

” In case nobody can tell, a transformation in philosophy is overtaking me. I have grown intellectually . . . ”

You’re welcome.
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 4:23 pm

79. PA definitely well represented here. interesting .
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 4:24 pm

72. Milburn should get Xtra credit for it’s proximity to Irvington.
Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:

February 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm

[81] Essex,

I am familiar with the Philly suburb districts and they are among the wealthiest in the region, not just the state. So they should be good.

In fact, the entire list in the Northeast strikes me as the Range Rover set. Princeton, Lexington, Tredyffrin, Radnor, Lower Merion, Millburn–all HNW towns.
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 5:22 pm

83. I’d agree with that assessment. In the other towns and states (off the east coast) perhaps not as much, but the norm is the higher per capita places. Better raised? Higher expectations? Critical mass?
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 5:25 pm

On second thought looking at the list would show all the towns are affluent.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 5:43 pm

One Party Stands to Benefit from Scalia Fight: China’s

http://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-CJB-28704
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 5:46 pm

People really are dumb. How can you have fairness and equality when some people are clearly not thinking?

http://abc7ny.com/entertainment/gofundme-page-set-up-to-help-kanye-west-pay-off-$53m-debt/1205102/
30 year realtor says:

February 18, 2016 at 5:51 pm

Regarding disclosed dual agency…It is an inescapable evil under the current rules. If you make your agent exclusively a seller’s agent they cannot show the property and have no incentive to hold open houses. This will limit what you get/expect from them.

In the end this is all an illusion. If the listing agent doesn’t sell the property they remain a seller’s agent. If the listing agent does sell the property they become a transaction agent (neutral). At no point is the agent legally representing both sides. It only gets complicated when the agent becomes a disclosed dual agent and then offers advice or opinion.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 6:09 pm

My problem is that some people don’t do anything. They sit on their a$$ all day and do absolutely nothing productive. There are givers and takers in life, therefore it will never be fair.

I’m even talking about people that have jobs. Most places I worked, there were people that actually worked, and then there were the people that made it seemed like they worked. They socialize and politic instead of doing their job. Best part, these individuals usually complain that they work so hard. They always need help from the productive workers getting their own job done. You all work with at least one individual like this.

Life was never meant to be fair.

Phoenix, you believe (like I used to) that all productive citizens should be treated fairly, too bad you have a bunch of con artists that are afraid of actual work. That’s why I am abandoning that philosophy of fair and equal. It just can’t work due to certain individuals.

Even on a level of CEO, there are ceo’s that deserve their pay, and one’s that do absolutely nothing but drive their company into the ground. Nothing fair about life.

Raymond Reddington formerly Phoenix says: says:
February 18, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Pumps,

“The noise of what is “fair” is all up to the individual.”
“Focusing on what’s fair is waste of time.”
Does not matter, huh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKhAd0Tyny0&t=1m18s
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 6:18 pm

THANK YOU. Time was not wasted. It’s amazing how much philosophies can change depending on which glasses you view the world with. Making the world fair and equal is a noble cause, but it is not realistic. It’s a Utopian dream.

Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:
February 18, 2016 at 3:16 pm
[67] pumpkin

” In case nobody can tell, a transformation in philosophy is overtaking me. I have grown intellectually . . . ”

You’re welcome.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 6:27 pm

It’s not that wealthy areas can buy the best education, it’s that they have the most respect for an education. It helps when everyone is there to learn.

Ghetto areas, they look at school as a prison, something they are forced to do. Here in lies the problem.

My solution, you must maintain a C avg or higher to get a free education. After two continuous years of a C avg or less, you are gone. Setup a work program for them with the crappiest jobs in life, and after two years if they have a change of heart, they will get one more shot at a free education. MY PLAN TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Instill the value that a free education should not be taken for granted, but respected.

Captain Nom Deplume, Besotted Rummy says:
February 18, 2016 at 4:47 pm
[81] Essex,

I am familiar with the Philly suburb districts and they are among the wealthiest in the region, not just the state. So they should be good.

In fact, the entire list in the Northeast strikes me as the Range Rover set. Princeton, Lexington, Tredyffrin, Radnor, Lower Merion, Millburn–all HNW towns.
D-FENS says:

February 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm

91 – Michael, that is the dumbest, most offensive thing I’ve ever read. You are still a complete ass. Take your bipolar medication ASAP.
joyce says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:16 pm

I thought all the agents on here agreed an open house doesn’t benefit the seller, just the agent?

30 year realtor says:
February 18, 2016 at 5:51 pm

… have no incentive to hold open houses. This will limit what you get/expect from them.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:27 pm

Offensive to who? You complain about Abbott funding? Well here is your chance to fix it. That’s why nothing will ever get fixed, the answer is too offensive to some.

What’s the graduation rate in these areas for classes you basically just have to show up to and pass? That tells me they don’t understand the value of an education and my answer will show them.

What impact will this have on kids in the ghetto that actually want to get an education? The teachers will actually get to teach instead of spending valuable time managing behavior with kids that can’t be educated because they don’t yet have a respect for it.

This will absolutely work. Is it cruel that I’m holding the students accountable for their free education? Is it wrong that I’m teaching them the pitfalls of not getting an education by putting them to work in the same jobs they will get if they are fortunate to get a job with no hs diploma. Cruel would be not giving them another chance at a free education after they disrespected their original free education. Nothing cruel about truly trying to help them. Apply this to all schools, not just ghetto schools. No school has a 100% graduation rate, therefore this should be applied across the board.

I am neither cruel or dumb. I am a problem solver.

D-FENS says:
February 18, 2016 at 7:45 pm
91 – Michael, that is the dumbest, most offensive thing I’ve ever read. You are still a complete ass. Take your bipolar medication ASAP.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:41 pm

94- What’s the point of forcing someone to be there that doesn’t want to be there? Makes absolutely no sense.
Juice Box says:

February 18, 2016 at 8:57 pm

Re: # 94 – “I am neither cruel or dumb. I am a problem solver”

pumps you remind me of this US Senator, you should run for office ASAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DIETlxquzY
Ben says:

February 18, 2016 at 9:28 pm

It’s not that wealthy areas can buy the best education, it’s that they have the most respect for an education. It helps when everyone is there to learn.

Ghetto areas, they look at school as a prison, something they are forced to do. Here in lies the problem.

My solution, you must maintain a C avg or higher to get a free education. After two continuous years of a C avg or less, you are gone. Setup a work program for them with the crappiest jobs in life, and after two years if they have a change of heart, they will get one more shot at a free education. MY PLAN TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Instill the value that a free education should not be taken for granted, but respected.

Haha, and first order of business as a principal in every school in NJ is to fire any teacher that gives anything below a C. You’d ruin education in a heartbeat if you were in charge.
The Great Pumpkin says:

February 18, 2016 at 10:14 pm

People claimed on this blog that they give away A’s these days. So why does Newark still have a 68% graduation rate?

What is your solution?

Ben says:
February 18, 2016 at 9:28 pm
It’s not that wealthy areas can buy the best education, it’s that they have the most respect for an education. It helps when everyone is there to learn.

Ghetto areas, they look at school as a prison, something they are forced to do. Here in lies the problem.

My solution, you must maintain a C avg or higher to get a free education. After two continuous years of a C avg or less, you are gone. Setup a work program for them with the crappiest jobs in life, and after two years if they have a change of heart, they will get one more shot at a free education. MY PLAN TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. Instill the value that a free education should not be taken for granted, but respected.

Haha, and first order of business as a principal in every school in NJ is to fire any teacher that gives anything below a C. You’d ruin education in a heartbeat if you were in charge.
Jack Meoff says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:14 pm

So how do you like The Electric Company now that you’ve moved up from Sesame Street?

The Great Pumpkin says:
February 18, 2016 at 1:02 pm
66- In case nobody can tell, a transformation in philosophy is overtaking me. I have grown intellectually and view the world through different eyes.
Ragnar says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:35 pm

These transformations usually don’t last very long.
Essex says:

February 18, 2016 at 11:53 pm

i think most rational folks can see two sides of an issue.
Ayn Rand Fan Boys Excluded.
Libturd at home says:

February 19, 2016 at 10:12 am

I see dead people.

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