Schools, schools, schools.

From CBS MoneyWatch:

How great school districts boost home prices

You’ve heard that location is the most important thing to consider when buying a home? New research says that may be true only if that location happens to be in a good school district. Homes in the best districts sell faster and for nearly 50 percent more than the average house.

A study by Realtor.com looked at all open real estate listings at the end of July and compared listing prices in school districts that commanded the top two ratings from GreatSchools.org. The result was noteworthy.

Homes in great school districts — ranking a 9 or 10 on Great School’s 10-point scale — commanded an average price of $400,000 compared with the national median price of $269,000. Homes in poor school districts sold at a near 16 percent discount to the national median price, or $225,000 on average, according to the study.

“Our analysis quantifies just how good it is to be a seller in a good school district,” said Javiar Vivas, research analyst for Realtor.com.

If you have school-aged children, there’s a practical reason for the disparity. Sending your kids to private schools can cost a fortune. Private School Review estimates that the average cost of sending a child to private grammar school is $8,522 per year, while private high school tuition runs nearly $13,000 per year.

Assuming one child goes to private schools from kindergarten through 12th grade, that adds up to $128,510 per child — almost exactly the same as the disparity in median home prices.

Based on those medians, a family that would otherwise send two or more children to private schools would be far better off paying up for a home in a better school district instead. However, both the Realtor.com data and the data on private schools reveak wide disparities in how much private schools cost from region to region — and how much of a premium you can expect to pay for a home in a good school district.

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100 Responses to Schools, schools, schools.

  1. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:
  2. grim says:

    Why is this even a question? The photographer who setup for the shot owns the copyright. This is nonsensical.

    The equivalent of this would be trying to say that any photo that was ever snapped using the countdown timer (think group shots), actually belong to Canon, since their timer took the shot.

    Pretty sure the photographer who flew to Indonesia, setup his equipment on site, likely taking weeks for the animals to acclimatize to the presence of the photographer and the equipment, captured the shot, downloaded it, edited it, uploaded it, etc etc etc etc, OWNS THE DAMN COPYRIGHT for the shot.

    A HUGE amount of wildlife photography is shot in EXACTLY this same way, especially when trying to capture elusive or nocturnal animals.

  3. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    [3] grim

    If the photog gets Rule 11 sanctions, we’ll know.

  4. D-FENS says:

    Loss of Property Wealth in NJ’s Most Underaided Districts

    http://njeducationaid.blogspot.com/2016/05/loss-of-property-wealth-in-njs-most.html

  5. Comrade Nom Deplume, the Deplumiest. says:

    In other news that is actually NJ news, I saw a post that someone made on the Facebook feed of a certain New Jersey attorney who shall remain nameless (not me or anyone who posts here but you’ve heard of him). This guy went off on Mexican illegal aliens in about the most offensive way you can possibly imagine.

    One of the least offensive statements in his diatribe was that he wanted to cut their heads off and sell them on eBay. The attorney was likely taken aback and quipped “tell us how you really feel”

    I can only imagine the visceral shock and horror that would occur for foot rest, Rory and the twitiot. They would need about six months worth of therapy in their safe spaces if they saw that.

  6. Juice Box (busy digging his own grave) says:
  7. D-FENS says:

    #NeverTrump Movement Gets Their Candidate on Utah Ballot In Hopes to Swing State to Hillary

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/nevertrump-movement-gets-candidate-utah-ballot-hopes-swing-state-hillary/

  8. NJCoast says:

    The good school vs. price does not apply to the shore communities. The summer residents are looking for the lowest property taxes, they could care less if its a failing school district. These towns are so empty in the non summer months that I see herds of deer on the lawns in Deal and Allenhurst, with some even wandering on the beach!

  9. Ben says:

    If you have school-aged children, there’s a practical reason for the disparity. Sending your kids to private schools can cost a fortune. Private School Review estimates that the average cost of sending a child to private grammar school is $8,522 per year, while private high school tuition runs nearly $13,000 per year.

    Assuming one child goes to private schools from kindergarten through 12th grade, that adds up to $128,510 per child — almost exactly the same as the disparity in median home prices.

    I’ve watched families come in, buy a home, spend 6 years in town to get two kids through high school, and then sell the home for well more than a $128k disparity. Keep in mind, this is from 2008 to 2014, a period that involved a significant downturn statewide.

    Didn’t read the article, but the more popular private schools in this state are going to run you far more than $128k per child if you intend on sending through private school for 12 years.

  10. Juice Box (busy digging his own grave) says:

    Weiner at it again, cranking his weiner? Warning NSFL

    https://twitter.com/Esscurve/status/765533393387921408

  11. Ben says:

    These towns are so empty in the non summer months that I see herds of deer on the lawns in Deal and Allenhurst, with some even wandering on the beach!

    Nonsense, animals are not allowed on the beach. Reminds me of whenever I would walk my dog through Manasquan towards the dog beach. I’d say 1 out of 3 people outside would chime in “you know dogs aren’t allowed on the beach or boardwalk”. I would occasionally fire back “that’s a boardwalk? Where are the boards?”.

  12. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Nom [2];

    Who pays for this stuff?

  13. grim says:

    Aetna $430 million loss, they have about a million Obamacare subscribers.

    Two years now?

    That’s only $230 per participant.

    That doesn’t seem like a massive loss. $20 a month increase per participant would get them to breakeven.

    I assume the losses include the operating costs, which include Aetna salaries and other overhead. Exactly what does the annual profit need to be per participant?

  14. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Ben [11];

    It depends on how long your view is. My cousin bought in an old ethnic enclave of SI, zoned for one of the worst middle and high schools in the city — bar none. Employment was tied to Manhattan, so the proximity made sense. Low property taxes despite city income tax was still favorable over Long Island or New Jersey. The logic was: school tuition goes away eventually; property taxes are forever. Their kid did K-8 in parochial school, and then made their way into one of the top tier magnet high schools in the city. What tuition?

  15. Juice Box says:

    Re # 5 – DOJ stopped the merger with Humana. How is a CEO supposed to get paid?

  16. Ben says:

    It depends on how long your view is. My cousin bought in an old ethnic enclave of SI, zoned for one of the worst middle and high schools in the city — bar none. Employment was tied to Manhattan, so the proximity made sense. Low property taxes despite city income tax was still favorable over Long Island or New Jersey. The logic was: school tuition goes away eventually; property taxes are forever. Their kid did K-8 in parochial school, and then made their way into one of the top tier magnet high schools in the city. What tuition?

    Property taxes are not for ever once that for sale sign goes up after graduation. NJ doesn’t have many magnet school options and even when it does, I’ve seen deserving kids get passed over. Some people will reference the requirements and merit based admissions touted to the public. But…I’ve seen them pull strings for staff members kids.

    Either way, I’ve taught in two of the districts that are commonly touted as top in the state. I fully maintain, you are wasting your time because your kid is diluted in a talent pool. I have the option of sending my kids to these districts for free. It ain’t happening.

  17. GOP's broken (the good one) says:

    grim, unmod, you know it’s funny

  18. walking bye says:

    Speaking of Obama care insurers loosing money. A couple of months ago I was watching Channel 4 News Segment “Better get Baquero” in which a self employed chiropractor from Maplewood decided to cancel his family health plan for the months of Nov and December, as he said “we really didn’t need it for the last two months and with the holidays season we could use the money to buy gifts ” Well Blue Cross turned around and charged him premiums for the months he let lapse when he went to resign with blue cross in January. He was shocked that Blue cross would do such a thing and could not understand why he should pay for something he is not using. At-ta girl Linda got him his money back after talking to Blue Cross.

  19. walking bye says:

    Ben, our daughters in 8th grade and we have the option of going public to a top 50-70 school depending on which way the wind blows and how the rankings come out or private. We looked at private open houses and the kids talked about staying up to midnight doing homework, assignments being sent out sometimes late at 7pm for the next day. That their 3.5 is really 4.0.
    So having applied to college back in the 80’s I realize its different now, but when I look at college acceptance from the school, I’m like hmm why go through all that to get into Penn State, William Paterson, Montclair, CIA (culinary institute), and a bunch of small liberal arts schools. Not that these are bad. But no MIT, Duke, not even a Rutgers. There was maybe one Ivy and some Big Ten schools. This was almost the opposite of dilution, my impression was this was burning the kids out to the point where the don’t want the challenge.

  20. Libturd the bourgeois drone, feeling the Berning Cankles says:

    “Exactly what does the annual profit need to be per participant?”

    Best reason ever for single payer. In order for it to work, you need to take the profit out of insurance. Unfortunately, if the government ran it, whatever the current insurance companies are taking as profit would probably be less than the government would waste on pensions, barbeques and retirement parties.

  21. chicagofinance says:

    The college question falls exactly on race lines……first you start with the race of the student…… asian/south asian is one bucket….then white….then everyone else…

    The statistics related to matriculating are irrelevant without viewing things through that prism……if you do not want to acknowledge that fact, then you are essentially wasting time….

  22. chicagofinance says:

    Just proves that the BLM people and those who are inculcated or extorted are just there for the power grab……..

    ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — An Italian restaurant in New Mexico is drawing criticism on social media for making merchandise with a slogan mimicking the Black Lives Matter movement.

    News station KOAT-TV in Albuquerque reports that Paisano’s in Albuquerque is selling “black olives matter” shirts and hats after making national headlines for putting the phrase on a sign outside the restaurant.

    Owner Rick Camuglia says he emblazoned the phrase on the restaurant’s main sign to sell a new recipe: a tuna dish with black olive tapenade.

    Camuglia posted pictures of the dish and the sign on Facebook, drawing complaints he was being insensitive and trivializing a movement aimed at trying to stop police shootings of black residents.

    Camuglia says he’s not trying to stir racial tensions and was only trying to sell food.

  23. Ben says:

    Ben, our daughters in 8th grade and we have the option of going public to a top 50-70 school depending on which way the wind blows and how the rankings come out or private. We looked at private open houses and the kids talked about staying up to midnight doing homework, assignments being sent out sometimes late at 7pm for the next day. That their 3.5 is really 4.0.
    So having applied to college back in the 80′s I realize its different now, but when I look at college acceptance from the school, I’m like hmm why go through all that to get into Penn State, William Paterson, Montclair, CIA (culinary institute), and a bunch of small liberal arts schools. Not that these are bad. But no MIT, Duke, not even a Rutgers. There was maybe one Ivy and some Big Ten schools. This was almost the opposite of dilution, my impression was this was burning the kids out to the point where the don’t want the challenge.

    It’s better to be in the top 5 in a school ranked 50th in the state than to be top 30 in a school ranked #1 in the state.

    At my previous district, we had 75 kids in 5-6 APs as juniors all hoping to be in the top 10. I’m fairly certain, that 25 or these kids would have been shoe in for valedictorian in just about any other district. Harvard/MIT/Princeton is not even considering any of them unless they are #1 or 2 in the class. Without question, if you took my top 20 students of all time, they could run circles around 80% of the graduating class at MIT…yet they never stood a chance at getting in.

    The only thing I found beneficial to the students being in that district for college applications is that a few select schools recognized the talent and accepted several kids each year (maybe sometimes up to even 8 students per year). Cornell, UPenn, and Carnegie Melon.

    In addition to that, being in that environment, these kids walk in freshman year of college and blow away the competition. Not that it really means anything though. Good grades in college hardly translate to job offers.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Three major economic reports released Tuesday were good news for the U.S. economy.

    “WASHINGTON, DC — Inflation for U.S. consumers held steady in July, construction on new houses increased and factory production grew, according to three major economic reports released Tuesday that all signaled good news for the nation’s economy.

    Tuesday’s combination of prices, housing and factory data added up to another good chapter in the unfolding story of an advancing economy that continues to make progress. The prices data is particularly good news for households, which are only now seeing some small pickup in wages.

    The Consumer Price Index — a national standard for how much the average costs of basic goods such as gas, clothes and food are changing — was a flat zero percent for July following four straight months of growth, according to the Labor Department, meaning prices were largely unchanged across the board.

    American shoppers found on average that retail prices remained flat overall last month as gasoline got cheaper for the first time in five months, helping to offset small increases elsewhere.

    The Consumer Price Index report showed prices of food and clothing stayed the same, while rents and prices of new vehicles increased slightly. Overall, the annual consumer inflation rate is running at less than 1 percent. Without considering food and energy costs, inflation is up 2.2 percent this year.

    The second major economic report, from the Commerce Department, said July housing starts increased 2.1 percent, showing that the housing recovery is still in good shape. Housing starts measure the number of new homes on which construction has begun.

    Construction on new houses was beginning at a rate of 1.21 million units a year in July, which was more than expected. Housing experts say that’s still not enough to keep prices from being pushed up by lack of supply, but it reflects steady improvement.

    The third report Tuesday showed U.S. industrial production rose 0.7 percent in July, the largest increase in a year, a sign that factories are also doing better than expected.”

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    27- There goes pumpkin ruining your day with some positive information about the economy. Can the 2020’s get here already?

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, good grades are not enough. If you go to an Ivy League school, ignore networking(brown nosing), and instead only focus on grades, you will come out disappointed. You will claim the degree was not worth it, never realizing that you go to this school for the networking opportunities it presents. Sorry, good grades are required, but they are not enough. You have to politic your way to the top.

    “In addition to that, being in that environment, these kids walk in freshman year of college and blow away the competition. Not that it really means anything though. Good grades in college hardly translate to job offers.”

  27. Walking bye says:

    Thanks Ben that was sort of what I was thinking. Especially given the fact that privates have really become minor league sports academies, (my kid is no athlete) really no point in having her go somewhere you can’t even participate in anything. Even the resumes of drama /voice clubs had kids who performed Carnegie hall, tv commercials, Broadway.

  28. chicagofinance says:

    What happened to the golden age of late night talk shows?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTn3qPddtoM

  29. My wife: Did you hear that Obama transferred 15 prisoners from Guantanamo Bay today?

    Me: To where? Milwaukee?

  30. I think he married who he did just so he could text that his wife’s legal name was Humma Weiner.

    (intentional misspelling)

    Weiner at it again, cranking his weiner? Warning NSFL

    https://twitter.com/Esscurve/status/765533393387921408

  31. Essex says:

    i think the contacts can make at Elite schools are worthwhile.

  32. Essex says:

    Got one kid in a $40k a year elite private school. It’s money well spent imho.

  33. I’ll take a turn at channelling JJ.

    When it comes to picking schools for your kids you only need to look at one statistic. Go for the highest Asian to black ratio.

  34. Essex says:

    38. jj – i judge a school by how many hot teachers worh there👍🏽

  35. Boston Latin has a lot of hot teachers. Many of the young hotties seem to have the same pattern.
    1. Graduate Boston Latin.
    2. Go to BU for free while living at home (If you graduate from Boston Latin, BU is
    always your fallback school. You can go for tuition free even though it is a $50K/year private school).
    3. Go back to Boston Latin and teach.

    The other great thing about Boston Latin is it is a 7-12 school. For grades 7 and 8 they bust the kids butts to develop high level organizational skills(they get graded in every class how they keep their notebooks organized and they lose marking period points for each homework assignment not turned in) so they are ready for grades 9-12, which are the only grades that count. Every year they send around 25 kids to Harvard and the kids say Harvard is easy compared to Latin.

  36. joyce says:

    Isn’t it very difficult to get into Boston Latin?

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow. This is an amazing break down of trump. Best I have ever read. So on point, it’s not even funny.

    “Donald Trump is certainly very smart. There was an article estimating his IQ at 156, based entirely on his being a graduate of the Wharton Business School at the University of Pennsylvania (Jannie linked it his article). Thing is, he was not accepted to Wharton, he was a regular Penn student who took some courses at Wharton. The famous thing about Wharton is the Wharton MBA — Trump didn’t attend graduate school. Penn is certainly an excellent school, Ivy League and pretty exclusive, but less so than Wharton. So he’s probably in the 120-130 IQ range, assuming (as the other article did) that it’s even remotely possible to estimate someone’s IQ from their college. I triple-majored at CMU… does that tell you my IQ?

    Now, the question about his direction… he’s certainly NOT a convention politician. But I think he’s been studying the idea of running for President for years. He did sort of flirt with it before, but even more telling was his whole “Birther” episode. He came out swinging on President Obama’s birth certificate quite a bit after that whole thing had been resolved. It was downright weird at the time, but I think that was an exploration of the level of support he could get for the demographic he’s gone after.

    Trump probably launched the whole campaign as an experiment. It was a good opportunity to be seen, to sell his new book, etc. It’s pretty likely that Ben Carson originally ran as a means to make lots more money off his books, and was also surprised by his success, as peaky as it was. These things happen, but an unconventional candidate, historically, is much less likely to go any distance — that’s of course why we consider them unconventional. But Trump has been in the lead of nearly every Republican poll since he announced in June. I’m not sure he expected his success, but I’m fairly sure he was hoping his strategy was sound and he would get the nomination.

    So look at how he launched: a room full of paid actors, and a direct attack on Mexicans, calling them rapists and murderers. Sensational as hell, but nothing any other candidate would have expected to get away with. Trump not only did, it launched him as a serious contender. And every couple of weeks, Trump says something just as crazy, just as outrageous. The result of all of this is that most of the TV coverage of the Republican Primary race has been about Donald J. Trump, and it’s cost him nothing (sure, he’s spent money travelling, holding rallys, etc… but at that, a tiny fraction of what folks like Bush have spent). That’s not the accomplishment of an idiot — no one else has ever done that on either side of the political fence.

    Trump has pretty much addressed that same crowd that responded to his Birther rampage…. the Archie Bunker Wing of the Republican Party. The modern Republican Party on the surface seems to be split between “Tea Party” and “Mainstream”, but it’s actually been split three ways since Nixon’s Southern Strategy and Reagan’s courting of the Religious Right. Most of the elections have gone to mainstream Republicans, lots of attention has been paid to the Religious Right — just as on the left, church people can be very effective at getting voters to the polls. The whole Archie Bunker demographic has largely been ignored. These are Rush Limbaugh people… so it’s not surprising that Trump’s saying the same kind of over the top, sometimes made-up crazy shit Limbaugh has been saying for years.

    So who are Trump’s supporters? Based on a Newsweek analysis (Page on newsweek.com), about 50% are between 45 and 64, another 34% are 65 and older. 50% have a high school diploma or less, only 19% have some kind of completed college degree. About a third of his supporters earn $50,000 or less; only 11% earn over $100,000. And only 30% of his supporters identify as Tea Party people. He’s addressing the largely older, largely lower income, largely white audience that typically votes Republican but isn’t usually well served by much of what the Republicans do or say. And like Bernie Sanders, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina, he’s also tapped into a general frustration with the mainstream candidates.

    So Trump is courting low information, poorly educated voters. That’s very different than suggesting Trump himself isn’t all that smart. What he says doesn’t always sound like deep thinking, but keep in mind, like most any other candidate, he’s saying what he says to elicit a specific response from the voters, from the media, etc. And so far, he’s been very good at it. Yes, much of what he says makes other people angry… when the election began, I didn’t think Trump was anywhere near the worst of the Republican candidates. Now, I’d rank him only above Cruz (a guy who has no business running for Dog Catcher, much less President) among those left in the race. But I was NEVER going to vote for Donald Trump… that whole IQ thing, my education, and my income levels tell I’m nowhere near his demographic. And he’s not concerned about offending those who’d never vote for him, if in doing that he’s attracting more who will. It’s been fascinating this year, simply because at first he was a big question mark. But not so much anymore… and while I don’t like him, I think he’s running the best media campaign of any candidate.”

  38. Fast Eddie says:

    So Trump is courting low information, poorly educated voters.

    As opposed to the Obama supporters, of course.

  39. [41] joyce – Yes and no. Admission is based on two things, equally weighted:

    1. School grades the from the second half of 5th grade and the first half of 6th grade.
    2. Score on the standardized ISEE exam.

    I say “yes and no” because it really shouldn’t be a big deal to get top grades through 5th and 6th grades for most kids if the parents put an emphasis on education(including school choice) and homework (and the kids do their own homework, not the parents!). Sure, there are kids with some problems learning, but, sorry for the callousness, you either fix those problems early or those kids probably aren’t going to be top level scholars no matter what.

    When it comes to the ISEE, that is just test-taking skill, providing the kid has the requisite verbal and math skills, which they should. That can also be taught.

    We are at a pivotal political tipping point in Boston on both these points. Half of all Boston Latin admissions go to kids who attend private schools for K-6. Some of these kids come from very affluent families but a lot come from families who have chosen affordable private(Catholic) schools. The other half come up through the Boston public schools, both our kids did. This balance is already dicey. Can you imagine if 60% or more Boston Latin seats, a public exam school, start going to private school kids? Boston might turn into Milwaukee. To keep that from happening the Boston Latin School itself holds a Summer/Fall free program called the “ISEE Exam Initiative”. They invite the kids who score the best on another standardized test, the Terra Nova Exam, to attend this program where, interestingly, Boston Latin teachers teach kids how to pass the exam to get into Boston Latin. Both of our kids attended this program. It is two full weeks at the end of the Summer and 5 consecutive Saturdays leading up to the exam the first week of November. In addition, because getting into an Exam School (Boston has three, Boston Latin is only the top one) is a watershed moment for most families, public schools families often elect to spend thousands of dollars on private exam prep. We never paid a dime ourselves, because I’m kind of JJ cheap. My wife was worried about our younger daughter passing the exam so we signed up for free tutoring from through Boston College, just down the street. The program is probably intended to give kids who are having trouble in school a resource. Our daughter was getting straight A’s so we just had the tutor work with her from the ISEE prep book (her sister’s book from two years earlier, like I said, we’re cheap) instead of her homework. Luckily we drew an Asian girl;-)


    Isn’t it very difficult to get into Boston Latin?

  40. Juice Box (busy digging his own grave) says:

    re #43 – The Straw man is not strong with that one.

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    43- Hey, trump went for a winning strategy. It worked. That analysis was dead on. Trump went after a certain demographic that he knew he could win over with verbal diarrhea. Got him the nomination of the Republican Party.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    46- It’s the only explanation for spewing out controversial rants when you are trying to win an election….you obviously don’t care about winning a large majority vote, just enough votes to win. He calculated the votes he could get from these demographic groups and started spewing out sh!t he knew they would eat up and get behind.

  43. [44] A few other things about Boston Latin that I left out.

    1. The ISEE Exam Initiative is a huge program. They invite about 1000 kids, I think about 800 attend. They give them all a math test and divide them into individual classes of about 20 based on math ability and that’s how they are taught for whole program. Considering there are only 600 Boston Latin 7th grade seats and they are giving a free program to train the 1000 most likely candidates from the public schools, they really are doing a fair job to help kids who need it. Nonetheless, only about 300 public school kids get in (though a good number get into the other two exam schools).

    2. If your kid doesn’t get into Boston Latin, there is one last chance. Boston Latin also admits a small amount of students going into 9th grade, again based on grades and scores on a higher level ISEE exam. I think this is only about 20 students, taking attrition spots.

    3. They really try to make sure every kid who gets in sticks. The teachers offer extensive after school and study hall help. A last resort is “Saturday Success School” where kids attend a full half day of classes on Saturdays to catch them up on skills they haven’t mastered.

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    China Factories Turn to Robots as Wages Rise, Culture Shifts – The Wall Street Journal
    https://apple.news/AqQqGo1YnRlWz-nyoqXx56A

  45. Fabius Maximus says:

    #43 (previous thread) Joyce

    What has long term got to do with it? The greens and the libertarians are on the ballot every year and get nowhere. Even looking back to Ralph Nader 10% of the vote but no electoral college votes. the closest you will get to a third party is the tea party. But that would split the GOP vote and give you a Dem in the WH in perpetuity.
    Until you get rid of the Electoral College, the two party Status Quo will continue.

  46. [51] Until you get to four parties. There are lots of young, pouty, soci@lists curled up on their parents’ couch texting their gloomy crowd.

    Until you get rid of the Electoral College, the two party Status Quo will continue.

  47. In Hebrew (right to left), we’ll probably end up like this when it comes to political parties:

    1. No H0mos, No Ab0rtions, All Christian party.
    2. People who can do math party.
    3. People who can’t do math party.
    4. Globalist/no borders party.

  48. Essex says:

    A third-party presidential candidate is trying to make inroads with voters, but Texas residents monkeying around with pollsters may prefer a dead gorilla instead.

    The Green Party doctor’s support in the Lone Star State, 2%, is the same as support for Harambe the gorilla and less than that for joke candidate Deez Nuts, according to a new poll.

    Deez Nuts, the fictional politician sprung from the brain of Iowa teenager Brady Olson, received 3% support in a bizarre survey conducted by Public Policy Polling released Tuesday.

  49. chicagofinance says:

    A quiet afternoon riding public transportation (clot Edition):
    http://nypost.com/2016/08/16/woman-goes-off-on-perv-fondling-himself-on-subway/

  50. Essex says:

    ahhh the joys of public transport. meet America

  51. Weather.com shows 15% percipitation. Meanwhile I am watching the Thunderstorm through the window. It’s the Trump of Weather sites. Very Sad!

  52. #51 Ex Pat
    Are you trying to say I’m bad at math?

    Until you get large voting blocs breaking off from the main two, you will have no third or forth parties. Even hard left or hard right get relegated to the fringe. I am sure Eddie Ray can give you the numbers for the Democratic C0mmun1sts. i know he tracks them. 😀

  53. [57] Offer up evidence to the contrary? I’ve asked this question repeatedly and no liberal can answer it because they do a couple Google searches and then their head starts hurting. A few simple questions:

    1. How much wealth is owned by “the 1%” in the United States?
    2. Let’s assume we kill them all and confiscate and liquidate their wealth and distribute it evenly amongst everyone, how much does each family get?

  54. Liberals are stupid villagers with no math skills and no plan.

  55. 3b says:

    34 I can tell you and I know this from a prior career even if you get your child into one of those elite private schools and even if you can pay for it you need to travel in those circles as well. You really do. I can give numerous real life examples. Send your child if you truly think the education is worth it. But don’t expect the connection angle to pay off. That only happens on tv.

  56. #58 Ex Pat

    My plan and my bath go beyond just b0mb me he sh1t out of it, blame the poor and wave the flag at it.

    Go ‘Murcia!

  57. Essex says:

    60. The education is worth it.

  58. Essex says:

    My comment about connections applies to college.

  59. Essex says:

    my wife and i are probably two of the more anti-social peeps you’ll meet. We routinely blow off ‘galas’…we have no interest in entertaining, but we both value a good education.

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Give you one example. Your daughter goes to an elite school, meets a wealthy student, they get married, and now she is set for life. Try doing that any other way, and it’s not happening. Point being, you are interacting with successful people, why are you so afraid of who your kids hang out with? You don’t want them with the bad crowd, you want them interacting with the successful kids, right? Well sending your kid to an elite school means that your kids will be interacting with other successful kids, if your kid can’t gain some kind of advantage from these relationships, your kid is hopeless.

    3b says:
    August 16, 2016 at 8:47 pm
    34 I can tell you and I know this from a prior career even if you get your child into one of those elite private schools and even if you can pay for it you need to travel in those circles as well. You really do. I can give numerous real life examples. Send your child if you truly think the education is worth it. But don’t expect the connection angle to pay off. That only happens on tv.

  61. Juice Box says:

    re # 61 – Fabs- We remember what we want to remember, your girl Hillary voted for all of the bombs and called in a few airstrikes and well acts of war herself, so never mind the poor poor “super-predators” just close your eyes in November squeeze on your nose hard and pull the lever. There is no arguing with this, you are a dyed in the wool donkey forever so embrace it.

  62. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If zuckerberg didn’t go to harvard, we would not have facebook. He developed that from the relationship he made at harvard. He stole the idea from wealthy twins that he came across in college. Changed his life forever and ours too.

  63. Anon E. Moose, Second Coming of JJ says:

    Joyce [39];

    Isn’t it very difficult to get into Boston Latin?

    The hardest part of any elite school at any level is getting in. I was friends with kids who went to Stuyvesant HS — no harder than any other HS; hardest part was getting in. If you busted it at Stuy (Westinghouse/Microsoft prize winning work), then you got into an elite college (once again: hardest part is getting in). If you didn’t bust it, you could easily get into Michigan or Duke.

  64. Juice Box says:

    re # 64 – Too many mosh pits does that to a man.

  65. Juice Box says:

    re# 67 – Point is? Steve Jobs went to Reed College and studied calligraphy with a Trappist monk…..

  66. Juice Box says:

    re ” travel in those circles”

    It is simpler just travel often in the circle and you will end up being the pivot man.

  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Point is, he would have never ever come across the idea for facebook, had he not networked while he was at harvard. There is no denying this. Networking is real.

    Steve jobs example is off, he networked too. He had no coding skills, he used his friends for that. NETWORKING IS REAL AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

    Juice Box says:
    August 16, 2016 at 9:31 pm
    re# 67 – Point is? Steve Jobs went to Reed College and studied calligraphy with a Trappist monk…..

  68. Alex says:

    In other pumps economic “recovery” news…

    Cisco getting ready to layoff 14,000 employees.

  69. 3b says:

    60 then it works for you. Some of more modest means send their kids to specific schools and not just the ivy schools in the belief they will be traveling in more rarefied circles. That’s all I am saying. No intent to stir things up. I have already stirred up a certain imbecile and his tortuous comments.

  70. Juice Box says:

    re # 72 -Zucknet?

  71. 3b says:

    66 juice give it up I have a family member just like fab he refuses any discussion or dissent against Clinton. Everything is rationalized or explained away or simply ignored. Liberals really do scare me because ultimately dissent will be silenced. We see it already.

  72. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let’s describe the Ivy schools. If the kids are poor, they are highly ambitious/extremely smart and will be successful at whatever they do. If the kid is middle class, you bet your a$$ they have been raised right and are highly intelligent. They will also be successful no matter what. Your rich kid, they will be either smart or stupid, but make no mistake about it, they will be successful in life.

    Who wouldn’t want their kid to be with this type of crowd? Their odds of marrying someone successful and being successful are increased dramatically.

    3b says:
    August 16, 2016 at 9:44 pm
    60 then it works for you. Some of more modest means send their kids to specific schools and not just the ivy schools in the belief they will be traveling in more rarefied circles. That’s all I am saying. No intent to stir things up. I have already stirred up a certain imbecile and his tortuous comments.

  73. Juice Box says:

    re #77 – Nah, I prefer to piss off the unknown. I have a family gathering this weekend to celebrate mom’s 79th. I don’t need to piss off the mostly liberal family guests who continually post on Facebook etc. After all the TM “Kissenger to the Middle East!” won’t go over so well. Most won’t know what that means.

  74. Juice Box says:

    re# 78 – Can you at least separate the Universities into schools?

  75. Essex says:

    75. I understand. I might have mentioned this before. But I am the ‘poor’ side of a very successful family, so rarified circles are fairly normal for us, but tedious…..usually.

  76. Fabius Maximus says:

    #67 Juice

    Can I get past her vote on Iraq and the rest, He11 Yes#LastAdultStanding

  77. Joyce says:

    “What has long term got to do with it? ”

    Great question, I’m stumped.

    “Until you get large voting blocs breaking off from the main two, you will have no third or forth parties.”

    I don’t know; that might take a long time.

  78. Fabius Maximus says:

    #77 3b

    Last adult standing.

    I have always said that elections are more about who you are running against, than your own platform. This is the perfect example. Any other election H would have a problem. This election is a cake walk.

  79. 3b says:

    79 juice I used to . I just don’t give a rat’s ass any more. But I do on occasion set them up to reveal their cluelesss ness so to speak and their hypocrisy!

  80. 3b says:

    84 but you yourself don’t have a problem with Clinton.

  81. Juice Box says:

    Re: Last adult.

    Read section 2 of the AUMF and explain how that applies now? They are no better than Nixon and Kissenger, now the modern NEOLIBS are the party of WAR.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Military_Force_Against_Terrorists

  82. 3b says:

    79 sorry juice my original post was just to point out that there are people who because of their uber wealth background etc who travel in the same circles. The smart kid from modest means isn’t getting that invite to the club or an invite to Sunday dinner. Like I said that only happens on tv. I had no idea I was going to cause havoc in the pumpkin
    Patch.

  83. Fabius Maximus says:

    #86 3b

    For the multiplth time, no I don’t have a problem with it. Just like I gave GWB and GWHB a pass on their links to the Carlyle Group and the Saudis.

  84. 3b says:

    89 you just proved my point.

  85. Fabius Maximus says:

    For the record, I did not have an
    issue with Cheney as although he was a Ne0con, he was an adult in the room.

    On a flight so Peace Out!

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do you understand that some companies won’t even look at your application if it’s not from a top school? Anyone that denies the benefits of an elite education are just jealous that they didn’t get one themselves. Or better yet, they went to an elite school but are not successful, so now they make it their priority to point out that an elite education is not worth it. It’s biased bs.

    Anyone with common sense understands what it means to have an elite education. You have to be ignorant to think it doesn’t increase your odds of being successful dramatically. If it didn’t, they wouldn’t be elite. Elite carries privileges, don’t kid yourself. Top 100 fortune 500 ceos….30% are from ivy. Ivy represents only 5% of the colleges/universities. You do the math.

    3b says:
    August 16, 2016 at 10:26 pm
    79 sorry juice my original post was just to point out that there are people who because of their uber wealth background etc who travel in the same circles. The smart kid from modest means isn’t getting that invite to the club or an invite to Sunday dinner. Like I said that only happens on tv. I had no idea I was going to cause havoc in the pumpkin
    Patch.

  87. Fabius Maximus says:

    #90 3b

    What exactly is your point? You hate Hillary? Yea we got that. Any thing else?

  88. Is that English?

    My plan and my bath go beyond just b0mb me he sh1t out of it, blame the poor and wave the flag at it.

  89. BTW, HRC is a little gnome, right? She’s a tiny, tiny fcuk (with a huge ass)?

  90. Essex says:

    88. height, good looks and a modicum of intelligence will open doors….and legs.

  91. Libturd the bourgeois drone, feeling the Berning Cankles says:

    Two out of three ain’t bad!

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