From NJBIZ:
Are people staying in New Jersey? Study takes a look
The prevailing conventional wisdom among those in the state is that New Jersey is losing residents faster than it can keep them.
But, according to the 2016 Atlas Van Lines Migration Patterns study, the outbound and incoming migration in the state was balanced last year. In 2015, however, more people had moved out of the Garden State than the inverse.
A total of 11 U.S. states, along with the nation’s capital, experienced a shift in migration status in 2016. The company has conducted the study since 1993 to track the nation’s interstate moving patterns year to year, as reflected in moves handled by Atlas.
The study also found that 26 states registered as balanced, 15 as outbound and nine as inbound, in addition to Washington, D.C. It also found that moving, in general, was down from 2015.
From the Record:
N.J. still tops list of states losing residents
For the fifth consecutive year, New Jersey has the dubious distinction of ranking as the No. 1 state residents have left behind, according to a new survey.
The Garden State placed first as the “most-moved-from” state in the United Van Lines 40th Annual National Movers Study, released Tuesday. In 2016, 63 percent more residents were moving out of New Jersey than people moving in, according to that survey, which tracks customers’ state-to-state migration patterns over the past year.
With American retirees heading West and South, the Northeast had a large presence on the 2016 so-called “outbound list,” which behind New Jersey had Illinois, New York, Connecticut, Kansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, Utah and Pennsylvania.
Of those moving out of New Jersey, about 40 percent said they were relocating for a job, 30 percent were exiting for their retirement, and 20 percent were going because they wanted a lifestyle change.
“There are a lot more people leaving New Jersey for retirement than some of the neighboring states: 30 percent seems to be a high number,” said Melissa Sullivan, director of marketing communications for United Van Lines. “New Jersey is really losing big segments of that population. And it’s not just a one-off. It’s been pretty consistent.”
Frist
I don’t get it. Are we coming or going.
Depends on which side you sit.
Realistically, the movers numbers don’t really correlate with NJ’s population growth.
Grim …that should come as no surprise …people moving out use movers ..the people moving in carry all their belongings in paper bags …
There are many that adhere to the economic theory that labor mobility and actual labor movement is a key factor of a well functioning economy, driving growth of new industries, efficient allocation of resources, increased ability to hire, increased ability for workers to find new jobs, etc. Likewise, impediments to mobility causing huge issues with misallocation, underutilized resource, etc.
In that light, NJ’s high mobility rates would be positive.
People moving out represent highly educated folks relocating for jobs and successful retirees that are done raising the family and will take their wealth and spend their golden years in a lower tax, less pop. dense state.
The influx is comprised of unemployed foreigners moving 2-3 families into a rental townhouse built for 1 family and the young families from Brooklyn that got the memo that Westfield is filled with the same pretentious douchenozzles they used to share a brownstone with.
Jobless claims at an astounding 43 year low this morning, lowest since 1973.
Uhh, the United Van Lines data does not support your thesis.
NJ Inbound by Income
$0-49k – 11.19%
$50-74k – 11.89%
$75-99k – 13.99%
$100-149k – 27.97%
$150k plus – 34.97%
63% of inbounders are above $100k income.
And not only that, the largest subgroup is the $150k plus group.
Now, granted, this is biased towards those who can afford a moving company.
The “Inbound by Income” numbers are the ones I was interested in seeing.
Wrong! The people leaving nj are retirees and low skilled individuals moving to low cost locations where their 10-15 dollar an job allows them to have a better standard of living. Retirees will no longer be moving with the elimination of the estate tax and income tax on retirees.
homeboken says:
January 5, 2017 at 9:12 am
People moving out represent highly educated folks relocating for jobs and successful retirees that are done raising the family and will take their wealth and spend their golden years in a lower tax, less pop. dense state.
The influx is comprised of unemployed foreigners moving 2-3 families into a rental townhouse built for 1 family and the young families from Brooklyn that got the memo that Westfield is filled with the same pretentious douchenozzles they used to share a brownstone with.
yuge gina
For years there has been outflow of wealthy individuals from NJ – but we continue to be one of the highest income states in the country.
NJ has a fantastic manufacturing economy, we manufacture and export wealthy individuals.
jj sighting:
http://nypost.com/2017/01/05/man-admits-to-using-syringe-to-spray-his-semen-on-women/
Think about it. Why would poor people/low skilled individuals be moving to nj? It’s a high cost of living area. What kind of sense does that make? Why not take the minimum wage job in Zona or Carolina? My loser cousin moved to arizona last year from NY. Couldn’t make it here, so he went to a place he can afford on his best buy salary.
“They said Californy is the place you oughta be….so they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly…..Hills that is…..Swimmin pools….movie stars…”
Chicago makes news once again for being the cesspool that it is….
Wrong Pumps, according to the article, of those that left NJ, only 30% left due to retirement. Meanwhile 40% left for a job relocation and 20% left for a change in lifestlyle.
Is anybody watching Clapper? He sounds like an Obama shill to me, all propaganda, no facts.
Why would anyone take this seriously for a second? The only people counted in these “surveys” are each trucking company’s own customers (Atlas tries to pussyfoot around this fact, United does admit it in the fine print) which has zero correlation to the total moving population. Perhaps if they also included a break down of their market share of moves compared to all other moving companies, including smaller local companies, and the numbers of people who move themselves, it might be slightly useful. Of course, that information does not exist so let’s just promote this fake garbage PR bullish!t instead and call it research.
Now, granted, this is biased towards those who can afford a moving company.
The most ironic words ever spoken:
The Great Pumpkin says:
January 5, 2017 at 9:48 am
Think about it.
Shill #2: “We can’t tell you anything, but let me tell you…”
Why would anyone take this seriously for a second? The only people counted in these “surveys” are each trucking company’s own customers (Atlas tries to pvssyfoot around this fact, United does admit it in the fine print) which has zero correlation to the total moving population. Perhaps if they also included a break down of their market share of moves compared to all other moving companies, including smaller local companies, and the numbers of people who move themselves, it might be slightly useful. Of course, that information does not exist so let’s just promote this fake garbage PR bullish!t instead and call it research.
“Now, granted, this is biased towards those who can afford a moving company.”
Lions and tigers and Russians, oh my!
Ok Genius, what percentage of the entire moving population do those numbers represent? Because they only include the people who specifically used United Van Lines.
Alex says:
January 5, 2017 at 9:54 am
Wrong Pumps, according to the article, of those that left NJ, only 30% left due to retirement. Meanwhile 40% left for a job relocation and 20% left for a change in lifestlyle.
I argued for years that the data was nonsense, and at best just an anecdotal snapshot to be taken with significant skepticism.
But the major media outlets eat it up, and publish it like crazy. Because it’s news there, it’s news here.
Interesting. Inversely proportional to the growing numbers on food stamps. If you ignore the poor, we’re all rich.
Jobless claims at an astounding 43 year low this morning, lowest since 1973.
They should rename jobless claims to recently fired.
Hasn’t SNAP as a percentage of population been falling since 2013?
If we’re talking about absolute numbers, well, the population is much larger 4 years later, so you can’t just look at the absolute.
I know whores that don’t claim to be whores, they’ve just been whores for so long that nobody even thinks about them.
Robots specially designed to replace New Jerseyans.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkv-_LqTeQA
Maybe it’s anecdotal evidence, but anyone I know that moved to the cheap cost of living areas were not successful in nj. The successful individuals that did relocate, moved to other high cost of living areas. Individuals that relocated for their job to these low cost areas were screwed over by their employer once everything was setup and established in the new location. You think they are going to keep paying a nj salary in a low cost of living area? Dream on.
I do know a few that hit the lottery…..their employer relied so heavily on these individuals, they ended up getting to move to a low cost of living area, remotely working from home, while keeping their high paying job (their employer remained in nj). That’s not going to happen too often, hence, they hit the lottery.
Alex says:
January 5, 2017 at 9:54 am
Wrong Pumps, according to the article, of those that left NJ, only 30% left due to retirement. Meanwhile 40% left for a job relocation and 20% left for a change in lifestlyle.
And why should these individuals continue to be counted when they have no chance to get a job based on their current state of mind and their skill level. Should we continue to count individuals that have been out of work for 5 years? Come on, they gave up, they are just skewing the numbers now. They have no intention of ever working again, so why should they be counted in the labor pool? Artificially raising the unemployment rate, causing employers to think there are more available workers then there really is. What logic is in that?
JJ says:
January 5, 2017 at 10:08 am
Interesting. Inversely proportional to the growing numbers on food stamps. If you ignore the poor, we’re all rich.
Jobless claims at an astounding 43 year low this morning, lowest since 1973.
Ridiculous History: When Artists Fooled the Nazis With a Ghost Army
http://now.howstuffworks.com/2017/01/02/ridiculous-history-ghost-army
At some point you need to examine “lifestyle change” as that is a huge motivator for many. Making in New Jersey. OK. Got that. But what “if” you decide you just want something else. Many different ways to spend your days out there in this great United States.
He also confessed to aiming specifically for his victims’ buttocks, saying it was his way of having sex with the women, according to the police report.
When pressed on why he committed his crimes, Blake brought up a history of sexual abuse, claiming to have been molested by his parents.
He also said he got the idea from reading about it online.
Can we just close Ohio now?
https://youtu.be/FQyLkMRgLJE
There are lots of people everywhere that dream every day of leaving their sleepy nowhereville community and packing their bags for LA and NYC.
Change of lifestyle.
It’s so subjective.
Maybe just call it “those without any marketable skill”? Sorry you couldn’t make it here.
Agree. If you want the simple life, northern nj is not the place for you. Better yet, no high cost of living area is for you. Too much competition, and not everyone wants to be in that type of environment.
Essex says:
January 5, 2017 at 10:49 am
At some point you need to examine “lifestyle change” as that is a huge motivator for many. Making in New Jersey. OK. Got that. But what “if” you decide you just want something else. Many different ways to spend your days out there in this great United States.
I lived in West Hollywood for nearly two years. My telethon performance represented more work than what 99% of those starving actors managed to obtain. LA is like the Mecca of the shallowest individuals in society. Is it any wonder that Scientology is eaten up like Pink’s hot dogs out there.
Reboot from a few weeks ago:
NJ is among the top in the nation for millionaires per capita, and that’s no small feat considering our population size.
In the past 10 years, New Jersey has added more than 30,000 millionaire households. Thirty … thousand … millionaire … households … 30,000 … THIRTY THOUSAND … THE WHOLE OF WARREN COUNTY IS ONLY 40,000 HOUSEHOLDS, THE WHOLE OF HUNTERDON COUNTY IS 45,000 HOUSEHOLDS. DO YOU SEE HOW HUGE THIS IS? IT’S LIKE BUILDING 5 NEW RIDGEWOODS, ALL FULL OF MILLIONAIRES.
This is ON TOP OF the out-flow of millionaires.
Think about those numbers, it means close to 40-45,000 millionaires have been made in New Jersey in the past 10 years.
During the greatest recession in recent history.
DURING THE GREATEST RECESSION IN RECENT HISTORY.
I’ll take those odds.
Steamturd,
I keep forgetting you’re a TV celebrity. If I search IMDb, will I find you? :)
Think about those numbers, it means close to 40-45,000 millionaires have been made in New Jersey in the past 10 years.
I’m not surprised but I do have a curious question: All these pharma and tele corporate parks/jobs seem to be dwindling in the middle of the state, am I right? Where are these people in Somerset/Hunterdon (287 corridor) getting jobs? Where are they now working?
Has expat morphed into JJ?
Who becomes a millionaire working for somebody?
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You’re right Otto, the survey from Unitd Van Lines sounds far fetched. If we had the survey from the Ottoman and Assorted Footstools Moving Company, those numbers would look vastly different.
Eddie,
Most of the breadwinners around my neck of the woods (eastern Hunterdon county) are self-employed, business owners (like me!) or Doctor types. About 1/3 I estimate are large corporate types. Some work from home.
Who becomes a millionaire working for somebody?
Fair enough. I guess I should have separated my thought process.
Xolepa,
Thanks for the info.
People who dumped 20% into their 401k starting when they were 18 and were too lazy or forgot to change the deduction when they were older.
grim says:
January 5, 2017 at 11:54 am
Who becomes a millionaire working for somebody?
Microsoft. Google FYIV buttons.
In the old days we used to jack our 401k to 90% of gross pay, that way we put all the money allowed in before February and we used to compete inter-office for returns. Strangely, the traders were the worst investors.
Spending a lot of time in bars, I can tell that this pumkin guy has hardly been laid.
probably a little on the short side too.
11:20 it’s the marketable skills that are the ticket. Look at a corporate reloc package as proof.
11:54 Bankers.
http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2017/01/giants_star_damon_harrison_buys_155m_home_in_berge.html#incart_river_home
I forgot how chilly living in a SFH is. For 14 years we lived in a pre-war, 1926 built brick building with heat on all sides. 78 is the normal temperature we’re used to in the Winter. I programmed the thermostat to go to 74 between 5AM and 9AM so my wife doesn’t withold sex.
Hey Pumps, my place is going on the market at somewhere between $480-$495K shortly. Do you want to buy it from me privately so you can laugh at how foolish I am in the future?
Wow…we are at 65/68. Growing up, it was 62/65. In the Summer, central air was 75/78. Yeah…my parents were cheap. I get too warm over 68.
On the plus side, I escaped the Comcast monopoly zone and now have RCN (could have had FIOS or Comcast as well). Made burgers on the grill last night and will make a Mesquite Pork Tenderloin tonight. It’s also kind of cool to know you can back into your own driveway to unload groceries. Haven’t had that pleasure since 1997 in Centerport Long Island where I lived not too far North of JJ.
My MIL was aghast that we are spending $3000 per month in rent. She thought the new place was $1000. Old values die hard but, sure enough, they die.
Ben, here they come. Going to push free trade on the basis of this bs. Guess they enjoy flushing America’s wealth down the drain in the name of free trade. Wonder who will police this free market when we can no longer afford to do so.
“Cheaper labor is only one reason Mexico has seen a surge in new-car production. While the country’s low wages have been the big attraction, one of its key advantages is that it has trade agreements with 44 countries, giving automakers access to half the global car market tariff-free. The U.S. has similar trade deals with just 20 countries, which make up 9 percent of global car sales, according to the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Michigan.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-trump-mexico-auto-jobs/
BTW, that same MIL doesn’t have a problem that I made her $10K today. TLT
I’m with you. My wife is lucky I let it get to 71, uses my daughter to guilt me into that level. I tell her you can light the fire place or put heavier clothing on. 69 is perfect, imo, but happy wife, happy life.
Steamturd, Part Time Orientalist and Full Time Mysoginist says:
January 5, 2017 at 2:10 pm
Wow…we are at 65/68. Growing up, it was 62/65. In the Summer, central air was 75/78. Yeah…my parents were cheap. I get too warm over 68.
Gator and Cheaptard might appreciate this. We’ve bought 4 TVs in our life together.
bought a 20″ Sony Tube around 1996
bought a 13″ Sony Tube around 2000
bought a 30″ 1080i Tube in 2004 (Philips)
bought a 40″ Samsung LED TV yesterday
BTW, my wife and I do not carry smartphones
How much rent can it command. If the monthly rent can pay it back in 10 years or less, it’s a good buy to me.
Actually might put my money where my mouth is and try to get into the flipping business. Since I’m pretty high on northern nj real estate and believe there will be big money to be made in the next 10-13 years. My brother has his own plumbing business and his friend (who owns his own business) want to get something going. Pretty much know family or friends that have a license or business in almost every aspect of rehab except roofing. Going to be an enormous amount of work, but hopefully works out.
The Original NJ ExPat says:
January 5, 2017 at 2:08 pm
Hey Pumps, my place is going on the market at somewhere between $480-$495K shortly. Do you want to buy it from me privately so you can laugh at how foolish I am in the future?
Ask a corporate recruiter what kind of success they have moving people to NJ from say….almost anywhere else…..
Labor Force Participation Rate not so pretty…
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
“Jobless claims at an astounding 43 year low this morning, lowest since 1973.”
if you were the real JJ, there would be stories such as this…..
He was so screwed up in 2011 when he was working for Gawker’s sister site about sports, Deadspin, that he passed up an opportunity to meet legendary Dallas Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman because he was literally covered in cocaine that he’d just snorted in a stadium bathroom.
“When I went to open the bag, I Woody Allened it; the coke went everywhere,” Daulerio told Esquire, referring to the famous “Annie Hall” scene.
“I didn’t want anyone to think Joe or Troy was doing blow, so I cleaned it up by snorting as much as I could,” he said, referring to Aikman and Fox Sports commentator Joe Buck.
“There had to be coke all over my beard and jacket. Joe asked if I wanted to meet Troy, and I was like, ‘No thanks.’ And I got out of there,” Daulerio recalled.
clot takes the family out to dinner:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzFfwifpfoo
11:54 Grim,
A teacher married to a police officer.
It’s not the real JJ
Grim;
63% of inbounders are above $100k income.
And not only that, the largest subgroup is the $150k plus group.
Poor illegals don’t hire United Van Lines. They rent a U-haul and call their friends and family.
Wow, had no idea there were so many videos on YouTube with teachers having to defend themselves from their students. Ben, this is nuts! God bless you!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph9sJIEC6A4
ExPat [14:15];
On the plus side, I escaped the Comcast monopoly zone and now have RCN (could have had FIOS or Comcast as well).
I was on Long Island when FIOS rolled out. I ditched the Dolans (Cablevision) for a few years when they got into the spat with Steinbrenner over YES network and even $100/mo. couldn’t buy me the Yankees. The only thing that made that company respond was the availability of FIOS. Surveys and anecdotal data said it really didn’t matter who you used — the fact that competition was available made both lower priced and more responsive. When I put in an order to switch to FIOS and cablevision got notification to port my number, then next week I had a sales rep ringing my doorbell asking what they could do to keep me. (Short answer: don’t hire such douches on phone sales and you could have saved yourself a trip.) They matched FIOS’ price.
I’m still in Cablevision country here in NJ, with no FIOS available — rate increases are back in fashion. I’m getting ready to ditch the TV, but I’m still tied to them for broadband.
ExPat [2:31]
I bought a 27″ Philips-Magnavox with the money from my first co-op job sophomore year in college. (I sprang for the stereo model!)
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Still my only tv today. To be fair, I’m not around much and even when I am there’s nothing worth watching anyway.
Cell phone? Still have vzw $31 plan on my flip phone. I’ve repeatedly dropped it on the floor in steel foundries and machine shops, off bridges I was working on, etc etc and it still works. Took it apart once to clean the lint from under the button keys. See how long a smartphone lasts in my case without one of those huge brick-sized padding cases.
I haven’t bought a TV since 2010. AC gives them away regularly. I actually paid $1250 for the 55″ LED back in 2010 since it was a great TV and a sweet deal. It’s a Vizio that was made by Sony. Every time I watch a sporting event in my living room, I’m still astounded by the quality of the picture. Every drop of sweat and strand of hair is clear as sh1t. I’ve seen a lot of TVs since then, but until the recent 4K units came out. Nothing has come close from any brand. I got a freebie 65″ in the mancave with a decent picture last year for free. But still not quite as good as that one Vizio.
I bought a Zenith 13″ color TV at TOPPS in Edison when I was 14 for $99. That TV still works today and still has an amazing CRT picture.
I came to this state via FedEx.
I packed all my clothes in those big bags they use to ship Golf clubs. The PC and software went back in the box it came in. I had one other box for bits and pieces. I dropped it all off at the FedEX store in the Embarcadero in San Fran. I got on a plane and my stuff showed up in Hoboken a few days later. The company picked up the shipping costs.
I then went to The Wiz in Newport mall and had them deliver a 32″ Sony Tube. Delivery Guy strapped the 130lb TV to his back and walked it up the five flights. Best $20 I ever paid. I just hauled it to Best Buy for disposal about 4 months ago.
The new LG oled tv picture is absolutely beautiful. Amazing how clear it is. Def took it to the next level.
10, 000 jobs lost at Macys. Are we great yet Gary?
Actually, Grim, Macys Wayne on the list are you not prestigious enough?
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/04/here-are-68-of-the-100-stores-that-macys-will-close.html
Can’t comment on that, I was just there a few weeks ago.
Macy’s…the store that dropped Donald Trump’s line of suits after he announced he was running for president. Something tells me he won’t be calling the Macy’s CEO offering any help.
How to bribe the govt to avoid jail……
Jon Corzine to Pay $5 Million for Role in Collapse of MF Global
CFTC order largely bars former New Jersey governor from trading client money in commodities, other commission-regulated assets
You can say that Corzine was bad, and he was. I think he suffered from the classic syndrome of thinking he was the smartest guy in the room…and then suddenly wasn’t. He wasn’t trying to bankrupt MF Global, he just fell into the classic pattern of trying to cover his tracks for just, just, just that little bit longer until he would be shown to be the best investor ever after all. And then he wasn’t. We’ve all been there, just with less money on the table. Pancake in a spray can anyone? Expensive house with high taxes on a busy street in a 2nd tier town?
anyone who bought Greek debt got screwed in the ass.
Fab: Macy’s and 10k jobs and are we great yet Gary? Really?? Pretty lame. Macy’s is dying because the current CEO destroyed it.
There’s a McGreevey joke in there somewhere.
John McAfee weighs in on the “Russian Hack” theory.
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/817234507065688065
I honestly have no idea what to believe anymore. Both sides hitting hard on the propaganda front. These people in charge should be ashamed of themselves. It’s to the point where you are better off not reading or listening to anything….it’s all manipulation at its best. Makes me f’n sick. More evidence that boomers are a bunch of losers. How did they let it get to this point?
D-FENS says:
January 6, 2017 at 10:35 am
John McAfee weighs in on the “Russian Hack” theory.
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/817234507065688065
Nobody moves to nj to find a better life. If not true name someone who did.
The Great Pumpkin coming?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-06/u-s-payrolls-rise-156-000-as-wages-increase-most-since-2009
Thomas Edison
JJ says:
January 6, 2017 at 11:03 am
Nobody moves to nj to find a better life. If not true name someone who did.
11:04
My parents and most of my family.
11:03
“Worker shortages may become more frequent in the coming year, which means employers could have to give out bigger wage hikes even as hiring cools. That would buoy consumer spending and underscore the case for the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates several more times in 2017, as policy makers deem the situation at or close to full employment. Treasuries fell and the dollar strengthened following Friday’s report.
“It’s a very strong job market overall,” said Scott Brown, St. Petersburg, Florida-based chief economist for Raymond James Financial Inc., who projected a 155,000 gain in payrolls. “There’s a further tightening in labor market conditions. Wage pressures are certainly building, and we should continue to see further upward pressure this year.””
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-06/trump-defends-asking-u-s-to-fund-border-wall-bill-mexico-later
“Biggest compensation in finance trails health care by 8.6%
Managing doctors and researchers might be more lucrative than overseeing bankers or computer programmers.”
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-06/the-highest-paid-u-s-executives-supervise-doctors-not-bankers
6 back-to-back posts. I think that is a new record
20K come on bichez
Amen. Go do some real work.
https://fee.org/articles/americans-agree-violent-crime-should-be-police-priority-not-drugs/?utm_medium=push&utm_source=push_notification
finally jj surfaces……RIP …
http://nypost.com/2017/01/06/man-found-strangled-inside-his-apartment/
Anyone spent any time in Southern California. Namely Thousand Oaks?
What are you looking for? To move there or vacation.
It’s right by Calabasas and Oxnard which is know for it’s farmland mainly strawberries. It’s kind of between valley and urban. Very pretty area. Not far from Malibu and a short drive up to Santa Barbara which is really nice. I’ve only driven through, everything from San Jose up to Oxnard almost is the same. It’s either valley, city or beach.
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In other The Great Pumpkin is Coming (wtf??) news,
The Limited announces they are closing all 250 brick and mortar stores and will lay off 4000 employees.
Bring back Chess King!
Elusive 20k = 19,999.63
My wife and I are thinking of relocating to CA or CO. Our first was born just recently and we have not put roots down yet. Both of us ended up in NYC metro by way of PanAm from eastern Europe. She absolutely hates it here and I have to agree that the whole NYC/NJ thing is getting old.
I ply my craft in the entertainment industry on the accounting/finance side. I’m not sure if that makes me part of the unsuccessful cohort mentioned earlier, but if there was ever a time to get the fark out, now is it.
My only reservation with moving westward is my decreasing proximity to her MIL.
I’m in LA often (santa monica) but I feel like I would be trading one metropolis for another. We are thinking about giving CO a try. Subaru, kid, cycling, skiing. Time flies fast. Like the kids say….YOLO.
4:58,
my friend grew up in Bergen County, worked and lived in the City for 6 or so years in finance. At some point, he packed up, got a job for 40k working for a pension fund in Colorado. He was ecstatic and never moved back. Never woulda saw it coming but he’s gone for good.
File this under the be careful what you ask for, but yeah CA now seems like a possible venue.
3:54 my research tells me that it’s sleepy, insular, and a tough haul from LA. Either way. The taxes are low. The weather is great. And the vibe might be fun. Who knows.
Everything is a tough haul from Los Angeles. I loved Los Angeles when I lived there. But I was in my late 20s. I would never raise my kids there, but weatherwise, nothing beats it. And Mexico is still a 4 drive away.
Chi 4:22-
gimme some goddam snappy service. or else.
sx 2:43-
thousand oaks is full of 75 y/o women with fake tits who are the color of beef jerky.
Just like you would be able to spot a fake Clot from the jump, same goes for JJ. Not even close to the same hubris.
10:06 …nice visual…