But, can you afford NJ on these jobs?

From the APP:

NJ becoming the warehouse state, and that means more jobs

School supplies, shoes, clothing and home decor – Freehold Township resident Blythe Aguayo buys everything online these days.

“I get home from work and my kids will say to me, ‘We need so and so for school on Thursday’ and it’s Monday afternoon,” said Aguayo, a mother of four. “I don’t have time to head to Target and Walmart and the mall to get what I need when I can just find it online, pay for overnight delivery and have exactly what I want, what I need, right away at my door.”

After she clicks buy, a team of machines and workers at warehouses across the nation go into action to fulfill her order, pulling the item off of racks, dropping it in a box and shipping it out. More and more, e-commerce companies are locating those workers here in New Jersey.

The Garden State is on its way to becoming the Warehouse State.

While it’s not secret that the internet has changed the way we shop, it’s changing where we work. It’s transforming New Jersey’s workforce.

Companies, such as retail giant Amazon, are employing thousands of workers, in some cases 24 hours a day, to process and send all those e-commerce orders. One of the biggest warehouses is off Interstate 195 near Allentown. Hundreds of people recently lined up to try to get a job there. Watch the video at the top of this story to learn about the job fair.

More than 450,000 people work in New Jersey’s transportation, logistics and distribution industries, including e-commerce fulfillment centers, estimated Anne Strauss-Wieder, director of freight planning for the North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority.

For instance, Amazon has more than 13,000 full-time employees in New Jersey, putting it on a path to become one of the state’s largest employers, said Michele Siekerka, president and chief executive officer of the New Jersey Business and Industry Association. More than 4,000 work in Robbinsville now and Amazon is opening warehouses this fall in Edison, Logan and Cranbury, and in Teterboro in 2018.

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93 Responses to But, can you afford NJ on these jobs?

  1. grim says:

    From CNBC:

    Housing recovery suffers, but don’t blame the millennials

    Competition for housing is soaring, affordability is weakening and the U.S. housing recovery is grinding to a crawl — and, in large part, the baby boom generation is to blame.

    No, they’re not doing anything immoral or illegal; in fact, they’re not doing anything at all, and that is precisely the problem. They’re not moving.

    Baby boomers, the enormous group born between 1946 and 1964, are staying in their big suburban homes far longer than previous generations did at this age, and that is having repercussions down the housing supply line. If baby boomers don’t downsize out of big suburban homes, younger buyers eager to upsize, especially in this improving economy, can’t find a home to buy.

    As the competition from young millennials heats up at the entry level, the logjam at the top of the market only heats that competition and pushes prices ever higher and out of reach.

    So, why don’t boomers move? Some if it is because their empty nests have filled back up again with children moving back home after college, but in large part it is a result of the recession and the increasingly high cost of housing. It is simply cheaper for them to stay put, and so they do.

  2. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Did you hear about the rally in Boston on Saturday? 40,000 urine throwers vs. 100 free speech advocates. Since a lot of urine was going to go to waste, they threw it at the cops.

  3. Fast Eddie says:

    What is the hourly rate for these Amazon warehouse jobs?

  4. 3b says:

    Amazon making NJ great again!! It’s all coming together!!Next they will move their corporate headquarters to somewhere in north Jersey.

  5. 3b says:

    Fast according to glass door 13.00 an hour from anonymous posters on their site.

  6. Walking bye says:

    it was a little more $13. We lost a bunch of guys at the plant when they opened up next door out near Harrisburg pa.

  7. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    If you are Prime, they pay you $13.25.

  8. Walking bye says:

    Grim, the problem with moving as you enter retirement is not many people like change. Sure some here will pull up and move to panama but most will not. So it’s unrealistic to expect people to sell their home and move away in snap and have to relearn a whole new way of life. Many have a routine down . Every try and just change the coffee brand in an office.? People hate change

  9. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    A long time ago I used to play tennis with an Economics prof who happened to be Indian. He was a very supportive from the other side of the court. You have to imagine his Indian accent as I reply to this post, Lib:

    “Good one, good one!”

    If you are Prime, they pay you $13.25.

  10. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That’s true, many do have a routine down. But then their routine changes from $14K property taxes, $15K property taxes, $17K property taxes…a lot of times they’ll move when someone else forces a new routine upon them.

    Grim, the problem with moving as you enter retirement is not many people like change. Sure some here will pull up and move to panama but most will not. So it’s unrealistic to expect people to sell their home and move away in snap and have to relearn a whole new way of life. Many have a routine down . Every try and just change the coffee brand in an office.? People hate change

  11. Juice Box says:

    re: yesterday “It’s impossible to pay it off at once.”

    Pumps this is where I disagree. There is still financial alchemy we do not employ. We can add much much more additional leverage. We currently yet don’t take advantage of maximum leverage of our assets (meaning you the taxpayer).

  12. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    Paid $1.94 for gas in Virginia a couple of days ago. It reminded me of NJ. Filled the SUV for $30. Another thing I noticed on this trip. Portion of I95 in Maryland is $2.80 for locals and $8 for non Maryland EZ Passers. That seems quite lopsided, no. Could you imagine if NJ charged $13.85 for locals (current price), but $40 for non residents driving the length of I95 in NJ?

  13. Juice Box says:

    Candidate for Governor Phil Murphy has the best idea I have heard in a long long time. He wants to take $20 billion of State/Local government funds currently held in regular Bank accounts to capitalize a state run bank. That means below market interest rates for the towns

  14. Juice Box says:

    Just think PUMPS with that $20 Billion could be levered up to $200 Billion. The teachers can expect their pension to be fully funded. The municipalities, counties, and state can all take below market loans to run their daily operations while all making payments into the $100 Billion or so of unfunded liabilites currently off the books today.

    It’s a win win so you know the Unions already back Phil Murphy, so there is no chance for Kim Guadagno to win this November and the NJ legislature well Sweeney and Prieto and sure to rubber stamp this one. As Prieto likes to say we just need to get to the money, we can just put in as a new revenue stream.

    What could possibly could go wrong?

  15. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Here’s the most bizzarre thing you’ll see this week:

    https://vimeo.com/229856130

  16. Stuck in NJ says:

    Hillary’s Cankle – NJ already does it. In fact NJ started it.

    If you have a NJ Tpke transponder one price. If a NYNJPA or MTA transponder a higher price.

  17. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    F the pensions. We can take the money and build huge edifices to honor our aging and non-term limited senators and congressmen. Perhaps have a train transfer there. But not before we tell our largest campaign contributors (all RE developers) where we plan to erect these structures so they can buy the land around them for pennies on the dollar. But if that’s not good enough, we can assign them all fake positions in the Port Authority or at NJ Transit where they will all make 200 to 400K per year while their lofts and condos are constructed. Then with all of this additional tax revenue that will come from the income tax of these new Garden State residents, we can fill the current shortfall. And this is how Pumpkin thinks it works in the private sector.

  18. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    Where Stuck? I know they used to before they started charging US $1 a month for the privilege of saving THEM money by not having to pay a toll taker. Then they got rid of the discounts.

  19. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    I see the discounts. They only apply during off peak hours and they are a pittance.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Cut the pensions, Medicare and Social Security. Cut them to the amount that they can be balanced out and not depleted
    There will be plenty of new housing on the market at very favorable prices as those who are unfairly propped up by these unfunded liabilities have to actually fund them.

  21. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The pension should start their own health insurance company. Why are we letting horizon bleed us all to death?

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Great Pumpkin strikes back.

    The answer to pumpkin’s prediction on wage inflation. Like I have stated, it is happening rapidly to continuously employed workers, but the combination of high earning boomers retiring and millennials jumping into first time positions is masking the gains for the already employed.

    My wife and I have seen 4% or more since 2010, so I know first hand that professionals are/have been getting it.

    “While higher-wage baby boomers have been retiring, lower-wage workers sidelined during the recession have been taking new full-time jobs,” paper authors Mary C. Daly, Bart Hobijn, and Benjamin Pyle wrote. “Together these two changes have held down measures of wage growth.”

    Ms. Daly and Mr. Pyle are economists at the San Francisco Fed. Mr. Hobijn is a professor of economics at Arizona State University. The latest findings update a paper published last year.

    Their research showed wage gains for continuously employed, full-time workers have improved more rapidly over the past three years, as the labor market tightened. That’s consistent with economists’ expectations for growth.”

    How Retiring Baby Boomers Hinder U.S. Wage Growth – The Wall Street Journal
    https://apple.news/AtFSKG1HlQuGP4xGGi_QhmA

  23. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s actually not a bad idea.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    August 21, 2017 at 8:45 pm
    The pension should start their own health insurance company. Why are we letting horizon bleed us all to death?

  24. Phoenix says:

    Wage gains?
    All of the professionals in my field have had increasing wage gains at times sometimes graded by performance, sometimes tripped up by the slightest things.

    On the other hand, less holidays, added swing-shifts and on call status, increasing health care costs, higher deductibles, forced mandatory overtime, and bonuses vs raises.

    So if one were to look at numbers, particularly “wages” one might see an increase.
    Looking at all aspects, has one really occurred?

    You give me a raise, then take away more than it in healthcare costs. On paper, it looks like wages are rising if you are only focused on wages. Some on here can’t see the forest for the trees.

    Same thing goes with “creating jobs.” I’ll create one now. Come clean my house for one dollar. There, I’ve done it. I’m a job creator. I am offering a wage for a service.
    That is all you need to do to call yourself a “job creator.”

    When economists talk about job creation and employment numbers, there should be some sort of standard as to what is considered a real job. An analogy, years ago if you bought an amplifier for a car or home, you would find two of them with very confusing specifications. For instance, a well known brand for 400.00 that was only 50 watts and another cheap brand with 300 watts that was only 100.00. Wow, how could that be? They are both amplifiers, just like those are both jobs, right? Compare the numbers, 300 watts for 100.00, better bargain.

    No. Two ratings were not listed. Distortion and frequency range. What you found was the “real rating” on the expensive amplifier showed you that the real amplifier could produce clean sound from the lowest low to the highest high at 50 watts. The cheap amplifier could produce one note at 300 watts with unclean sound. Which rating actually described music? Plenty of sheeple went for the 300 watt for 100, hey, it’s a bargain. And some people actually believe the jobs numbers.

    “Figures don’t Lie, but Liars Figure.” Mark Twain

  25. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @charlesppierce

    Apparently we are going to win the war in Afghanistan by winning the war in Afghanistan.

  26. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @ZelinaMaxwell

    Imagine the Fox News freak out if President Obama had bankrupted the secret service due to golf outings.

  27. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Wow! Keep going like that and you’ll be able to raise your only child on a safe street someday. OTOH, I guess it doesn’t matter, because all her daylight hours she is being raised by someone else in daycare. Living the American Dream, just like your Dad, Pumps. Congrats!

    My wife and I have seen 4% or more since 2010

  28. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Didn’t Obama pretty much do that? $10 trillion deficit turned into a $20 trillion deficit on his watch. How much is that per round of golf?

    Hahahahahahahahaahahaha.

    #MassHysteria
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/164297628606/how-to-know-youre-in-a-mass-hysteria-bubble

    Imagine the Fox News freak out if President Obama had bankrupted the secret service due to golf outings.

  29. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Attorney General Loretta Lynch told Florida’s LGBT community that the “most effective” weapon at America’s disposal against Islamic terrorism is “love.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/21/loretta-lynch-most-effective-response-to-islamic-t/

    Apparently we are going to win the war in Afghanistan by winning the war in Afghanistan.

  30. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ^^^^ Love is also, apparently, the best weapon at America’s disposal against mishandling of classified material and destroying evidence on an unclassified home email server. Love, love, love. Love, love, love. All you need is love! Love is all you need, love is all you need, love is all you need.

  31. 3b says:

    I wonder if that wage inflation will be coming to those Amazon jobs in NJ?

  32. Bystander says:

    Pat,

    I also can’t think of anything more selfish than purposely having one child because Mommy and Daddy value money more. He pretty much stated that one. Poor kid. That (BS) 4% jump each year and all I can picture in kid surrounded with more plastic toys..alone.

  33. JCer says:

    Loretta Lynch should be doing a perp walk by now….My advise for the LGBT community, 9mm and training on how to use it. no amount of “love” is going to take the bulls-eye off their back from the islamic community, what an incredibly stupid comment. It’s strange to me that they rape little boys yet somehow take issue with the gays, totally bizarre that to them the actually repugnant act is ok but two consenting adults is a problem.

  34. abeiz says:

    Would anyone on this board advise purchasing a multi to put down an anchor of sorts before moving far, faaaar away from here, or is this pretty much a non starter?

    I noticed that properties elsewhere (like far, faaaar away from here) actually allow for FCF, even room for a prop manager, but one can’t take big bite using FHA as you can closer to the city. So it’s basically leverage up and mind the razor thin margins here, or buy elsewhere and learn to speak bubbah.

  35. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I never understood the go back to work immediately after having kids push. I’ve seen people with decent six figures incomes rush their wives back to earn 40k a year and stick their kid in daycare.

  36. abeiz says:

    Well, that’s because you’re a blue ribbon teacher with cushy healthcare. :)

  37. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Everybody in MA has cushy healthcare. Remember? We have RomneyCare. It’s like Obamacare that actually works. All you have to do is make some kind of noise like you are low income and you get put on MassHealth for free. Also, anybody who has a middle income job and health care and loses their job is eligible for not only UE benefits, but also the state will pay something like 80% of your COBRa payments.

    That’s probably why we had 40,000 people on Boston Common prepared do violence against the 100 people who showed up to advocate free speech. MassHealth probably gave the 40,000 specimen collection cups for free so the only thing they had to add was urine before throwing it at cops, since no Nazis showed up. Any port in a storm, I guess.

    BTW, 100% of urine throwers vote Democrat. A lot of them vote 5 or more times in each election. I read it on the internet.

  38. Yo! says:

    Amazon warehouse jobs are the best warehouse jobs out there. Other distribution operations fear the opening of an Amazon warehouse nearby because workers flee to Amazon because Amazon offers better compensation, better culture, and better working conditions. For example, in the Inland Empire region of California – the world’s biggest warehouse hub – Amazon warehouses are air conditioned while others aren’t. During the summer, Amazon workers toil at 75 degrees while everyone else works in maid 80s.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump is right again!

    A majority of Americans think Confederate monuments should be preserved in public spaces, according to a Reuters/Ipsos opinion poll, a view that is at odds with efforts in many cities to remove them.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/majority-americans-want-preserve-confederate-monuments-reuters-ipsos-215130275.html

  40. abeiz says:

    ^ this was a no brainier, even if you didn’t vote Trump.

    Yanking these things was no different than stamping “CAUTION: HOT!” on a coffee cup lid and completely unnecessary.

  41. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @paulkrugmam
    Worth remembering how many of the wealthy actually despise the rest

    “By MAGGIE HABERMAN and MIKAYLA BOUCHARD
    AUGUST 22, 2017

    WASHINGTON — The wife of the Treasury secretary on Monday night took a page from President Trump’s social media playbook for punching down.

    Louise Linton, the labels-loving wife of Steven Mnuchin, replied condescendingly to an Instagram poster about her lifestyle and belittled the woman, Jenni Miller, a mother of three from Portland, Ore., for having less money than she does.”

  42. Fast Eddie says:

    puzzy,

    Is that anything like the Clooney’s donating a million to radical leftist causes to thwart those who disagree with their ivory tower vision of social utopia?

  43. 3b says:

    Blue : I will start by saying my wife was home with my kids for years before she went back to work. It was tough at first still early in my career, and new house and baby a year later. But my career took off and we were able to do it. I don’t know how that can be the case today. The 100 thousand dollar guy is pushing his spouse to go back not so much I suppose for the money but rather taking time off and than starting over is difficult. That 40k job today could be 100k or more in 5 or 6 years when the kid is in school. No one wants to give up that kind of security and I understand. I feel for the new parents today. 400 to 500k and 15k in taxes for some old dumpy house. That second income is needed today even if in your example there is nothing left after day care. Some on this board think it’s great as high prices and property taxes means we are super wealthy and super sophisticated and just rely all around super cool. I just think it’s super stupid that one parent cannot take a few years off to raise their child if that is their desire. It’s super sad.

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Bystander, not my fault my wife is career driven and not into taking care of 2-3 kids. We are fabulous parents. We don’t half ass it. So if we have another child, we have to make sure we have the energy, time, and ambition to give the kid the a great life with lots of parental attention.

    Unfortunately, too many assh@les have kids for the sake of having kids. This is why you have so many mentally off people out there. They were never given the love or attention.

    And for people with romanticized visions of siblings getting along together and helping each other, that’s not always the case. Sometimes a sibling ruins the life of the other sibling. So many ways a dirtbag sibling can ruin ones life. I was fortunate to have to two siblings I get along with, and even we get into arguments. Let’s not paint this naive picture that siblings always improve life for each other, sometimes they are better off alone.

    Next, I’m 37, was blessed with a pretty perfect child health wise. Has some allergy issues, but everything else is great, both intellectually and health wise. So why do I want to risk having another child that could be a huge challenge to take care of. Meaning, what happens if they are mentally challenged or autustic? What happens if they get some chronic disease and are bed ridden for the rest of their life. Call us selfish, but we don’t want to take the risk. We are just not up for that challenge, so not taking the risk.

    My daughter isn’t lonely, she gets plenty of attention and has cousins her age to play with.

  45. chicagofinance says:

    I saw that story and the post……the way it is characterized here is completely wrong……twisted and distorted in a purposely bad way…..

    Grab them by the puzzy says:
    August 22, 2017 at 2:13 pm
    @paulkrugmam
    Worth remembering how many of the wealthy actually despise the rest

    “By MAGGIE HABERMAN and MIKAYLA BOUCHARD
    AUGUST 22, 2017

    WASHINGTON — The wife of the Treasury secretary on Monday night took a page from President Trump’s social media playbook for punching down.

    Louise Linton, the labels-loving wife of Steven Mnuchin, replied condescendingly to an Instagram poster about her lifestyle and belittled the woman, Jenni Miller, a mother of three from Portland, Ore., for having less money than she does.”

  46. chicagofinance says:

    I have a client who is in the logistics industry and lives in the area south of I-195. He said the Amazon jobs are difficult and demanding jobs, but the real issue isn’t that it is a bad work environment. The available workforce (think either young people, or people on the fringe of the workforce) has a hard time complying with being on time, sober, and focused for a full-shift. The issue is the workforce, not the jobs. Not to say that they are the best jobs in the world, but it solid money for a reliable company.

    Yo! says:
    August 22, 2017 at 12:38 pm
    Amazon warehouse jobs are the best warehouse jobs out there. Other distribution operations fear the opening of an Amazon warehouse nearby because workers flee to Amazon because Amazon offers better compensation, better culture, and better working conditions. For example, in the Inland Empire region of California – the world’s biggest warehouse hub – Amazon warehouses are air conditioned while others aren’t. During the summer, Amazon workers toil at 75 degrees while everyone else works in maid 80s.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    They don’t have to live in desirable areas at the start of their careers. Why not move to west jersey, buy a cheap as f$uck home, and save money for 5-10 years and then move to the desirable area with a nice stash working for you creating passive income so that the 15,000 in taxes is nothing.

    I’m sorry, everyone would love to live in towns like Ridgewood, but I don’t think first time buyers should be crying about the prices in well off locations…..they shouldn’t even be looking to buy in upper middle class neighborhoods.

    “I feel for the new parents today. 400 to 500k and 15k in taxes for some old dumpy house. That second income is needed today even if in your example there is nothing left after day care. Some on this board think it’s great as high prices and property taxes means we are super wealthy and super sophisticated and just rely all around super cool. I just think it’s super stupid that one parent cannot take a few years off to raise their child if that is their desire. It’s super sad.”

  48. JCer says:

    Pumpkin if you’re commuting to NYC the 400k cr*p shack with 12k in taxes is your option.

  49. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    At some point, Amazon will care about turning a profit. For now, a P/E of 200 makes it much less of a concern.

    In other news, I can’t believe of every American politician, it was Trump who first figured out how to use social media to drive his detractors batty.

  50. Troll Feeder says:

    I had a stay at home mom. The time spent together wasn’t very fulfilling for either of us. I couldn’t wait to start school (started kindergarten at 4). And as much as I enjoy quality time with my own children, I would make a shitty stay at home parent (and likely go insane). Much better for me to turn that stuff over to professionals who have experience in early child development and can plan activities. I have no doubt my kids are better off.

    And in many cases, the difficulty of recovering from the time away from your field is very real.

    I’m not sure why some people who choose to have a spouse stay at home tend to have a holier than thou attitude. As if people who aren’t willing to subject themselves to that experience are somehow inferior. And the same type of people ironically tend to think having the working spouse put in 80 hour work weeks to compensate is somehow “noble”. Odd.

  51. 3b says:

    Pumps once again you miss my point. And rather than try explaining it again. I will just say I was not talking about Ridgewood.

  52. 3b says:

    Troll truth to your point as well. And some parents should not be parents period. As for the holier than thou attitude. True. But I have seen the reverse as in the comment oh you are so lucky your wife can stay at home. People should have a choice but if you want a crap box in a so called desirable town it’s not the case today.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Nah, it keeps flying over your head. Do you understand most of Bergen county is off limits for the majority of the population? You think 50,000 income households can afford 15,000? Think about who can, and now realize most of northeast nj is out of reach for most of the population. You think your blue ribbon Bergen county town is a shithole, but for most Americans, it’s considered a “desirable ” town.

  54. LurksMcGee says:

    I’m curious to know what everyone considers a cr*p shack. Anyone care to put a link to a listing that they feel paints the picture that’s being described as the cr*p shack?

    Ya know, if you feel like it.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And they can’t afford to live there.

    So how in the world are all these 20,000 property taxes being paid? Easy, they are all pretty much well off. Upper middle class or higher, but because everyone around you and who you associate with is in the same category, everyone all of a sudden loses track of how much more well off they are than the rest of the country.

  56. grim says:

    My warehouse is 84 degrees today, at 88% humidity.

    My eyeballs are sweating.

    Amazon sounds good.

  57. Yo! says:

    The warehouse workforce has been growing faster than other types of logistics jobs such as truckers.

    I’ve been inside a lot of modern warehouses and the workforce is overwhelmingly female and Hispanic even in Midwestern cities with small Hispanic populations.

  58. 3b says:

    Pumps totally clueless as usual. So wrapped up in your own need to feel wealthy and surrounded by wealthy people. You are wrong again.

  59. 3b says:

    And you don’t live in Bergen co pumps! Guess it’s only for us super wealthy people.

  60. Phoenix says:

    Lurks,
    Put a picture of your house up. I’m sure there’s a few snobs on here they’ll be willing to call your house at Crap Shack. That’s because we segregate more by affluence than we do by race or color.

  61. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    “I’m not sure why some people who choose to have a spouse stay at home tend to have a holier than thou attitude. As if people who aren’t willing to subject themselves to that experience are somehow inferior.”

    The best are those who frown at you for putting your kids in daycare from 4 months through pre-K. Then, when your kid ends up in the same kindergarten class as their spoiled rotten, socially inept and uneducated offspring, you can just watch and laugh as the separation anxiety the first day of class does not diminish until sometime in 2nd grade. Then when their kid doesn’t even know their colors, shapes or numbers, you can respond back to that stay-at-home mom by saying something like, “Well perhaps you should have spent less time on Facebook and more time with your kids over the last five years.”

  62. abeiz says:

    I turned down an offer to work in the city just recently. I used to work in midtown but the small firm moved to Englewood Cliffs. Most of the staff is local (Fort Lee/Haworth) and our esteemed leader reverse commutes from the Lincoln Center area.

    I cannot reconcile the extra 10-15K with being on the [expletive] bus every day, doing the hustle through the authority. Even doing the A uptown and then walking over or taking the jitney. Just no. I either ride my bike to work or drive my house-uv.

    Most of bergen is a crap hole. I don’t know maybe I’m on the wrong board but I am amazed the crap shacks people with well off jobs go home to at the end of the day. I lived in Europe for a month recently and saw high school graduates who don’t know what Starbucks is live like kings in homes that would fetch 1MM+ in Bergen. It’s just so bizzare here. Life is too short to spend it in a crap box in Bergen!

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go live somewhere else. Go find this magical place where the grass is so much greener than northeast nj. I dare ya.

    3b says:
    August 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm
    Pumps totally clueless as usual. So wrapped up in your own need to feel wealthy and surrounded by wealthy people. You are wrong again.

  64. LurksMcGee says:

    Phoenix,

    Nah, I don’t want to get that personal with everyone.

    However, I figured that putting a listing up would allow people to judge OTHER anonymous people. Either way, I just think descriptions like cr*p hole are vague.

  65. 3b says:

    Pumps aint no magical place and I never said there was. And you know that. North Jersey aint the magical mythical wealthy utopia jocked packed with the best schools in the country. It’s over priced over taxed and over rated.

  66. 3b says:

    Yep lots of Areas in Bergen county are dumpy. I am not the one who is constantly referencing Bergen as a metropolis of wealth.

  67. 3b says:

    No snob here. You want an example of crap box. Takeb a 1950s 3bed 1 bath house that has not been touched since Nixon was president and add 12k in taxes. That’s a crap box. Take a tiny cape cod 2 beds up 2dowm 2baths maybe or one bedroom up in an attic type arrangement. This one might have been painted when Clinton was president. Add 12k in taxes that’s your crap box. If you prefer a colonial take an old drafty one with mustard color aluminum siding. Old kitchen maybe a mish mash of some unfinished updating over the years. 3beds one bathroom you much get a toliet no hand basin in the gloom dungeon like basement and 12k property taxes that is your crap box.

  68. LurksMcGee says:

    400k – 500k, less than 1500(?) sq ft, no updates since 90(?)ish and partial/full basement

    Got it.

  69. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    In Boston public school starts at age 3 if the parents are on the ball. The grades at an Early Learning Center (ELC) are K0, K1, K2, then 1st grade, 1 teacher and two aides to every class of 18. 7:30 to 5pm complete with meals and door-to-door yellow bus service with seat belts and bus monitors. The kids even go on class trips to museums and the circus. All free.

    I went as a Chaperone to one of the Big Apple Circus trips. 4 busses, 200 kids, all aged 3-6 years old. They do a pretty good job of not losing any kids.

  70. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I heartily applaud Pumps not rolling the gene pool dice again. Imagine if he had a boy.

  71. Bystander says:

    My son was in daycare from 3 months to almost 3. From what I could tell, I paid 1700 a month to ensure he came back alive and with a hand imprint painted to look like an animal. He was sick so often it was a joke. They even had a an*l worms warning due to some kid having it. They also were not watching and he tripped a cracked his front tooth. He never ate his lunch and they never tried to assist him bc too many kids. This was one of highly recommended Jewish daycare facilities, not some amateur act. Not an expert but parenting is a hard journey and kids know when you are half a*sing it. It is not for all and there are no secrets to happy adults. My wife stays at home and son is hardly ever sick and gained 5 lbs in 5 months. Daycare did not work for us. My one year old may never know it if I can swing. He has been sick very few times.

  72. Hillary's Cankles are ground zero for Zika virus says:

    Wait until Kindergarten. Those who don’t build the immunity in daycare, build it in kindergarten and first grade. An*l worms too. Not sure of your lousy daycare experience. Ours was great with both boys. Different strokes for different folks. Watch out for that separation anxiety. :P

  73. D-FENS says:

    It’s the dirt. It’s the dirt. We have expensive dirt doncha know.

  74. D-FENS says:

    What time is the Trump tally in Arizona on? I want to see bikers for Trump trade punches with unemployed skinny jean wearing antifa thugs.

  75. grim says:

    Ho Ho Kus ranked #1 place to live in NJ this year (NJ Monthly)

  76. grim says:

    We’ve been more than thrilled with Packanack Co-op. This will be the little one’s 3rd year. It’s not a day care, it’s a preschool, as such the programs are mostly half day. This year (4/5 class) will be 3 half days and 2 full days. Teachers are great, ratios are small. Hell, for the first year it was 2 teachers and 10 kids, last year was 2 and maybe 12. Pretty tight knit community. After this year it’s off to Kindergarten, no worries as they run it like a strict classroom environment, no babysitting, she’ll do great.

  77. Fabius Maximus says:

    “We have expensive dirt doncha know.”
    We sure do. My crapshack sits on some very expensive dirt. I bought my rental for not much over dirt price. Lot around the corner was bought by a builder that just finished framing. He priced it at 1.4 Mil, come pick the finishes. If he sells anywhere around 1.1 he will reset the cost of the neighborhood and the knock down price goes up another $150-200K.

    My town is funny, new construction high end is moving. Low end and good house is moving although bank sales are slow. $500 – 700K is tough, $700-$1Mil is dead.

    As always realistic pricing always sells.

  78. grim says:

    Make fun of the price of dirt? Builders just starting to stretch their legs.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just wait till the coming run up…

    grim says:
    August 22, 2017 at 9:07 pm
    Make fun of the price of dirt? Builders just starting to stretch their legs.

  80. Phoenix says:

    Pensions, Social Security and Medicare keep the price of dirt artificially high.

  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I did this. Skipped starter and went to next level.

    joe says:
    August 22, 2017 at 11:40 pm
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-22/forget-starter-houses-u-s-millennials-are-buying-luxury-homes

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I said this for how long? I know my generation. I’m one of their oldest members.

    You want good value on appreciation, buy in places like Paramus or Wayne, you won’t be sorry. Pumpkins certified special. Mark it. Could also see Fairfield/montville types getting nice return in this run up.

    joe says:
    August 22, 2017 at 11:40 pm
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-22/millennial-americans-are-moving-to-the-burbs-buying-big-suvs

  83. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That’s like saying, “You want good value on appreciation, buy in places like Manhattan or Camden.”

    You want good value on appreciation, buy in places like Paramus or Wayne

  84. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    Pensions, Social Security and Medicare keep boomers addicted to opioids and Fox News

    Phoenix says:
    August 22, 2017 at 11:21 pm
    Pensions, Social Security and Medicare keep the price of dirt artificially high.

  85. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    @samstein

    Minutes after riffing that the filibuster stops him from passing anything, Trump says he’s gotten more bills passed than anyone since Truman

  86. Grab them by the puzzy says:

    Reagan’s speechwriter

    @jpodhoretz
    One day historians will look back and–what am I talking about,
    there won’t be any historians,
    our national IQ will be 70 when this is over

  87. D-FENS says:

    We’ll all be dirt someday.

  88. Troll Feeder says:

    Puzzy, thanks for doing your part in lowering our collective IQ.

  89. JCer says:

    On the daycare front, it’s gone well for my daughter, she loves going, it’s more of a school, so much discipline in the little kids, I can’t figure out how they do it. Yes they do get sick but it gets better from 6m-2 years it seems like every month it’s something, coxsackie is the worst. In my opinion from about age 2 children really benefit from the socialization and the classroom experience, it would be better to do 8am to 1pm or 3pm as by 6pm the kids are cooked it’s too much for them. Many kids have stay at home parents who pick up in the afternoon at her school.

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