Everyone hates affordable housing

From the Jersey Journal:

Court win for developer of micro units opposed by neighbors

The four-year fight over a micro-unit building slated for Downtown Jersey City is finally over, with the New Jersey Supreme Court this month declining to hear an appeal by a neighborhood group opposed to the plan.

The court’s decision allows developer Rushman-Dillon to move forward with the 87-unit, five-story building, slated for a lot at Bright and Varick streets in the city’s Van Vorst Park neighborhood. Neighbors opposed the plan but a Hudson County Superior Court judge in 2014 ordered automatic approval — meaning the developer can move ahead with construction without approval from the city Planning Board — because the city failed to OK the project during a time period prescribed by state law.

Rushman-Dillon’s lawyer, Donna Jennings, called the court’s decision not to weigh in “a significant victory” not only for her clients but for other developers who face “untoward delay tactics” from municipalities.

“These delay tactics — employed simply to frustrate or forestall an applicant — are the very evil which the automatic approval provision was specifically designed to overcome,” Jennings said. “Unfortunately, there is nothing ‘automatic’ about the provision as the plaintiff-developer has now lost four years on an application that is fully conforming with the controlling redevelopment plan.”

Neighbors have multiple problems with the project, saying it would aggravate parking problems in the neighborhood and attract rowdy residents.

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98 Responses to Everyone hates affordable housing

  1. leftwing says:

    First baby. Have my boys home and youngest got his license yesterday.

  2. leftwing says:

    Re: COAH, guess the concept of free association should ave actually been specifically included in our governing documents…..

    There are some very unique, twisted ideals here like COAH, Abbott offered in the name of fairness that undercut what many average citizens would consider normal and fair.

  3. Three Secret GEDs says:

    Thanks for the warning;-)

    First baby. Have my boys home and youngest got his license yesterday.

  4. Three Secret GEDs says:

    COAH – nice spreadsheet even if you just want a listing of NJ Municipalities by County:

    http://www.state.nj.us/dca/affiliates/coah/reports/certified.xls

  5. Three Secret GEDs says:

    Not to mention ineffective. NJ has been pouring money into Abbott Districts and COAH for eons and they are still no closer to solving the problems that are inherent to the family structure and values, wherein the real problems lie.

    There are some very unique, twisted ideals here like COAH, Abbott offered in the name of fairness that undercut what many average citizens would consider normal and fair.

  6. leftwing says:

    “Thanks for the warning;-)”

    So long as he doesn’t drive like he skates things will be OK LOL.

    Smoking a ton of salmon in a few hours. On a flight to Middle America early am tomorrow. Happy holidays to all, see you after.

  7. grim says:

    Releasing our first Rye Whiskey today, made from 100% Jersey-grown Rye. If you are in the area, or leaving work early, swing by for a drink.

    We will be open until 9, promise it will be a better time than the mall.

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Pretty depressing. Walmart largest employer in most states, and you wonder why pouring money into abbots don’t work, the private sector does a horrible job of providing decent jobs. Rather kill myself then work at Walmart which is a complete waste of time. Prob 20% of your pay is gone just on getting to work. Who would sign up for this?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/largest-employers-each-us-state-2017-6

    Three Secret GEDs says:
    December 22, 2017 at 8:54 am
    Not to mention ineffective. NJ has been pouring money into Abbott Districts and COAH for eons and they are still no closer to solving the problems that are inherent to the family structure and values, wherein the real problems lie.

    There are some very unique, twisted ideals here like COAH, Abbott offered in the name of fairness that undercut what many average citizens would consider normal and fair.

  9. ExJersey says:

    If you are fortunate this season be grateful!
    Smoke em’if you got em

  10. grim says:

    Problem with NJ is it’s restrictive home rule zoning and planning, the fact that these boards are run like fiefdoms, are completely corrupt, and are horribly counterproductive.

    If we had a zoning structure that was more permissive of mixed use, reuse, and redevelopment, we wouldn’t need COAH at all. Instead, we have a set of rules that plays into nonsense NIMBYism, and nothing happens until it’s forced.

  11. grim says:

    You could easily spend a million dollars bringing a redevelopment project before a planning board, only to be shot down for some nonsensical reason.

    What kinds of companies want to do business here, when you are forced to spend a million dollars up front, and you have zero guarantee that a project will be approved to move forward.

    Even worse, when it’s denied, someone’s cousin gets the approval two months later off the back of a napkin.

  12. grim says:

    Speaking of, New Home Sales at a 10 year high.

  13. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Once again Pumps can’t tell the cart from the horse. People aren’t failing because they work at Walmart, they work (and shop) at Walmart because they are failing. The problem starts and ends in the home with single parents, no emphasis on education, opioid addiction, etc. If they all had the same conviction as you and killed themselves (before having kids) you wouldn’t have Walmart or the other problems.

    Pretty depressing. Walmart largest employer in most states, and you wonder why pouring money into abbots don’t work, the private sector does a horrible job of providing decent jobs. Rather kill myself then work at Walmart which is a complete waste of time. Prob 20% of your pay is gone just on getting to work. Who would sign up for this?

  14. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    ^^^deported fathers, etc.

  15. Yo! says:

    If the tax bill is so bad for housing, why are new and existing home sales shooting higher? Why is the homebuilder index approaching an all time high?

    One would think the media would explore this situation. They won’t.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exactly like I stated….good luck if you think housing is going down 10% in this market. Sorry 30 year, I know rational theory says so, but markets act irrational, especially when they are heating up.

    “America’s housing market is gearing up for a robust year ahead. Builders are more optimistic, demand is strong and lean inventory is keeping prices elevated.

    What’s more, the tax plan as passed by Congress may not pose as big a risk to demand from homebuyers as previous versions did. “

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-22/here-are-four-charts-showing-u-s-housing-momentum-entering-2018

  17. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yo,

    Been calling this for years. It’s all recorded on this blog.

  18. Fabius Maximus says:

    “The problem starts and ends in the home with single parents, no emphasis on education, opioid addiction, etc. ”

    What a complete piece of Garbage. I suppose whats old becomes new again. This is the modern day equivalent of Ronnies Crack baby mantra.

  19. Fast Eddie says:

    The problem starts and ends in the home with single parents, no emphasis on education, opioid addiction, etc.

    Exactly! I’ve been saying it for years. Provide guidance in the home and a child becomes a productive adult! This is not governement’s role.

  20. dentss dunnigan says:

    Government dosen’t want fathers in the home …parent loses part of welfare if one able bodied person lives with mother …even if he’s not working the mom gets docked some cash ….put cash increases if she has more rug rats …

  21. Juice Box says:

    re: “What a complete piece of Garbage”

    Ask Barbara Feinman the author of It Takes a Village.

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump accomplishments – Year 1:

    1) Cut corporate and individual taxes.
    2) Repeal the Obamacare individual mandate.
    3) Appoint a highly respected conservative to the Supreme Court.
    4) Appoint a one-year record number of judges to the circuit courts.
    5) Get rid of reams of unnecessary regulations.
    6) Destroy ISIS.
    7) Approve pipeline projects and new oil drilling.

    While the media tried to derail at all costs and puzzy hats cried over bathroom confusion.

  23. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fab,

    I agree. These families are a product of their situation. You grow up in a household with Walmart employees or welfare recipients, and there is almost no chance for you unless you are extremely gifted and able to get out of that dead end situation.

  24. Juice Box says:

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  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No politician has the balls to do the right thing, which is, create a law where parents are held responsible for the offspring they produce. If your kid is failing school, there goes your welfare check, or penalize the family with an extra 15% tax for not taking care of their child’s educational opportunity.

  26. JCer says:

    fab, that is where the problem lies….You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. Why can American poor people not get ahead but immigrants from central america can start businesses and make money? You political ideology is nothing but destructive, instead of taking the bad job and trying to learn from it, the worker is apathetic thanks to the welfare state. If you think you are helping people by giving a hand out you are wrong. Yes there is a lack of opportunity out there but that is mostly for the middle class. I’m not against a safety net but perpetual payments to people who are capable of work while we import millions of illegal aliens to do menial jobs is totally insane!

  27. grim says:

    As long as kids drop out of school, we will have a permanent poverty class.

    Blame China if you like, but America no longer has a use for unskilled labor and uneducated citizens.

  28. JCer says:

    pumpkin inner city schools are conduits for political fraud. How can they spend what they spend and get the results that they get? Better question is why are we in the little towns with nothing but residential subsidizing education in cities that have offices, warehouses, factories, airports, ports and every other form of commercial ratable? Between Newark and Camden the state provides a billion dollars in funding for education? Why should my town need to pick of 99% of it’s education expenses while Newark a place with again every kind of property and facility that pays taxes gets almost 90% funding from the state, spends more per student and performs worse in every possible metric from student performance to the suitability of their facilities?

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Jcer,

    Those immigrants are highly motivated successful people. You think normal people pick up and leave, and start a business in another country. There are legions of poor in those countries those immigrants came from that have given up all hope of their situation improving with hard work.

  30. The Great Pumpkin says:

    11:57

    Jcer,

    Most of those students will waste the opportunity. We can’t take it away because one of the principles this country is based on is giving everyone an opportunity.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That opportunity unfortunately costs money and is usually wasted, but it must be given.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It allows rich to wipe their conscious clean….these poor were indeed given an opportunity. That’s why I feel bad for them, but my conscious is clean. They were given a chance.

  33. Not JCers says:

    JCer, your points are so 80’s Reagan GOP cadillac welfare queen vintage talking points.

    The bigger question, which I think Grim touch on it a while back, – Automation.

    The question is how are you going to make sure that everyone has a comfortable enough lifestyle to match their personal needs without causing mayhem. The tools being universal basic income and medicare, legalize drug use, adventurous employment.

  34. Not JCers says:

    Because history shows there will always be charismatic leader able to channel their energies into mayhem.

  35. Fast Eddie says:

    The question is how are you going to make sure that everyone has a comfortable enough lifestyle to match their personal needs without causing mayhem. The tools being universal basic income and medicare, legalize drug use, adventurous employment.

    Who is the “you” that you’re referring to? Government? It’s your responsibility with the guidance and aid of your family to secure a comfortable lifestyle. And what the f.uck is adventurous employment and universal basic income? Which page in the utopia manifesto can we find this jargon?

  36. Fast Eddie says:

    Because history shows there will always be charismatic leader able to channel their energies into mayhem.

    Oblamma? You didn’t build that? If I had a son? Racial divide and a homegrown terror1st movement in the guise of social justice?

  37. JCer says:

    Keep calling it 1980’s Reagan talking points but democrats have had zero success with their social experiment, it’s been a failure and has ruined more lives than it has ever helped. These people are too afraid of work to work as landscapers, carpenters, cooks, etc so we need to import people from mexico.

  38. JCer says:

    Eddie don’t forget about aiding and abetting Hezbollah and international crime syndicate and terrorist network…….Seriously he should be prosecuted for his actions with the Iranians.

  39. 3b says:

    Yo these numbers are tabulated before the tax bill became law. Let’s see what happens going forward. A lot of did not think it would happen. And a lot of people were not even paying attention. I know someone who started a home addition project a big one a few weeks ago using home equity of course! Now home equity deduction is gone! You would think they would have waited to see how this tax reform went.

  40. 3b says:

    Let’s see listen to 30 year who has been in the business well 30 years or listen to someone who is simply incoherent. I will go with 30 years.

  41. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Between 2012 and 2015 the UN voted 97 times to condemn a specific country.
    83 of those times the country was Israel.

  42. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    It’s conscience, not conscious, Pumps. You got that one wrong on your last attempt at the GED test too.

    It allows rich to wipe their conscious clean….these poor were indeed given an opportunity. That’s why I feel bad for them, but my conscious is clean. They were given a chance.

  43. No One says:

    Grim,
    Actually there is an economic use for them, but the welfare state allows them to decline the work they are suited for, and their sense of entitlement gives them the attitude that such menial work is beneath them. Thus they have no need or desire for work fit for their low skills, thanks to the redistributive state.

    “Blame China if you like, but America no longer has a use for unskilled labor and uneducated citizens.”

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So when an economy is hot, and they are raising interest rates, why does the price of the house still go up? How many pro’s in the stock market have been calling for a correction or crash since 2012? No offense to 30 year, but I will stick with my position.

    And let’s not forget you were the poster boy for making calls that nj real estate is dead due to high property taxes for as long as I have been on this blog. Hmmm, why is Montclair real estate on fire? Riddle me this you incoherent fool.

    3b says:
    December 22, 2017 at 1:06 pm
    Let’s see listen to 30 year who has been in the business well 30 years or listen to someone who is simply incoherent. I will go with 30 years.

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What would I do without my expat? Thank you, sir! Appreciate it.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    December 22, 2017 at 1:15 pm
    It’s conscience, not conscious, Pumps. You got that one wrong on your last attempt at the GED test too.

    It allows rich to wipe their conscious clean….these poor were indeed given an opportunity. That’s why I feel bad for them, but my conscious is clean. They were given a chance.

  46. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    You are mentally incapable of not sticking to whatever drivel you just made up, and the one thing you never fail at is being offensive.

    No offense to 30 year, but I will stick with my position.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The redistributive state exists because of our economic system. If you feed these people crumbs, they will take down the entire system. Why you can’t understand this is beyond me. Wtf do you think Saudi Arabia pays their citizens for nothing? It’s so the power of the kingdom remains in place you randian ideologue. Same thing applies to us. We pay off the poor so they let the people with money go about their business.

    No One says:
    December 22, 2017 at 1:29 pm
    Grim,
    Actually there is an economic use for them, but the welfare state allows them to decline the work they are suited for, and their sense of entitlement gives them the attitude that such menial work is beneath them. Thus they have no need or desire for work fit for their low skills, thanks to the redistributive state.

    “Blame China if you like, but America no longer has a use for unskilled labor and uneducated citizens.”

  48. The Great Pumpkin says:

    *if you don’t feed these people crumbs, they will take down the entire system

  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    No worries, everyone who drops out of school to chase the bright (fluorescent) lights of the post office invariably stunts their cognitive abilities as well their vocabulary.

    What would I do without my expat? Thank you, sir! Appreciate it.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just think about it. No job and no money from govt(which is nothing more than an institution representative of the people). What do you think these people will do? Just roll over and die? No, they will organize and go on the attack to survive. So that means going into the super market and taking whatever the fu!k they want. Then they will raid your home. Taking away welfare is the stupidest thing you can do. Second most ignorant thing you could do is take away their education so they know nothing about laws and society.

    You people have some really great ideas, let me tell you. You think kings gave out food and money to the serfs out of the goodness of their heart? Shaking my head.

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I try to ignore it, but I’m beginning to think you actually think I’m a high school drop out. God, you are lost. Yes, a high school drop out lives my lifestyle at my young age.

  52. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    You should have stayed in school, moron. Maybe you don’t know the difference between Saudi Arabia and Kuwait?

    In a country with vast oil wealth and lavish royalty, an estimated quarter of Saudis live below the poverty line

    The Saudi government discloses little official data about its poorest citizens. But press reports and private estimates suggest that between 2 million and 4 million of the country’s native Saudis live on less than about $530 a month – about $17 a day – considered the poverty line in Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequality

    Wtf do you think Saudi Arabia pays their citizens for nothing?

  53. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I’m not your teacher. If you stayed in school you would be able to explain it yourself.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And wtf was your post implying? That they would be rich with the money received? They get crumbs, just like our welfare system, just enough to keep them from rising up.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Expat getting schooled by the Pumpkin

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So go ahead Einstein, cut off welfare in our country. If the royal family thinks it’s a good idea, I wonder why?

  57. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Are you going to mail me some degrees like the ones you have? Use some purple and red crayons on mine and try to color within the lines.

  58. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Not enough free puzzy to blow off the steam. Their women are single use, you have to stone them afterward.

    So go ahead Einstein, cut off welfare in our country. If the royal family thinks it’s a good idea, I wonder why?

  59. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    You think kings gave out food and money to the serfs out of the goodness of their heart?

    Care to explain how the US went from declaring it’s existence to being the richest nation in the world in a century without a redistribution scheme?

  60. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blue,

    Lots of resources and land to exploit. Oil, steel, and coal prob being the biggest. Population did catch up to resources as the need for a redistribution system developed in the 1930’s to help the legions of poor failed by their economic system.

  61. JCer says:

    what redistribution system was developed in the 30’s? A very limited social safety net was developed, you weren’t paid for not working, period.

  62. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – not a great example. There are no real world examples of where a country has basic income for everyone just some places it was tried.

    In that area of the world you cite it is well known it’s really known as the “Kingdoms of the Slaves”. There are three for every household about 9 + million “slaves” in Saudi Arabia and even worse in Qatar where they out number the locals 5 to 1. They aren’t getting and never will get the benefits you describe, which we give out a form of here in the USA with few questions asked..

    Difference here of course is our former slaves and the former slaves of the America and including the former of the English/Spanish/Dutch/French etc colonial colonies that have migrated here are now citizens and actually have a “chance” a a better life.

    I wondered for a long time why we could not properly export our prosperity. This is the prosperity of the modern era post WWII,why have we not been able to export it?

    Any ideas? I have my own…and mine do not bode well for our descendants especially when the rules may change.

  63. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – re: Strawberry – Davey Johnson is still around his only book “Bats”was released 1987, perhaps it is time for a follow up?

  64. Fabius Maximus says:

    “but America no longer has a use for unskilled labor and uneducated citizens.”

    So who shovels Sh1t in your Gulch?

    That is what this whole argument comes down to. How do we as a society deal with the lowest jobs in the food chain. Today its Illegals picking lettuce in CA and packing chicken wings in Idaho. Why? because employers can subcontract to a third party and not care who they staff with. Hire regular (non illegal) employees and you have to deal with all that payroll and tax and are they actually here legally?

  65. Fabius Maximus says:

    Why can American poor people not get ahead but immigrants from central america can start businesses and make money?

    Again are we talking legal or illegal immigrants?

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  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blog is special. Love the back and forth debates challenging the mind on a daily basis.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    On the subject of lottery; I’m of the opinion of blue, lottery is not about the science/mathematics. It’s about a dollar and a dream. No chance to win, but you have to be in it to win it. Cheap thrill.

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you are investing in the lottery, you are as crazy as these bitcoin boys.

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, but it evolved with the increase in population along with efficiency in the economy. The economy clearly does not need these people to produce to run, it only needs them to consume.

    JCer says:
    December 22, 2017 at 3:55 pm
    what redistribution system was developed in the 30’s? A very limited social safety net was developed, you weren’t paid for not working, period.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice, for sure, but my example was to prove that every economic system that has been thought of needs to feed the bottom to starve off revolution.

    Juice Box says:
    December 22, 2017 at 6:14 pm
    Pumps – not a great example. There are no real world examples of where a country has basic income for everyone just some places it was tried.

  72. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    73% of black children grow up with no father in the house.

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “The result will be a business boom, where new capital formation and productivity increases the economy’s potential to grow. This is counter-inflationary. And we can say goodbye to 1 to 2 percent secular stagnation and hello to 3 to 4 percent long-run prosperity.”

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  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “A recent Tax Foundation analysis from Scott Hodge notes that even the low-ball Joint Committee on Taxation agrees that the tax cuts pay for themselves. How? More GDP will be generated than revenues lost to the Treasury. For every $1 lost, the tax cuts produce roughly $1.90 in additional GDP.“

  75. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Lots of resources and land to exploit. Oil, steel, and coal prob being the biggest. Population did catch up to resources as the need for a redistribution system developed in the 1930’s to help the legions of poor failed by their economic system.

    But in your world, those resources were all owned by the ultra rich, even 50 years prior to 1930. Capitalism was the correct answer. People went from a low standard of living in the late 1700s to a much much higher standard of living within 100 years.

  76. Hold my beer says:

    Colder than Hilary Clinton’s soul this morning in north Texas . 35 and damp

  77. Fabius Maximus says:

    “A recent Tax Foundation analysis”

    As I had to point out to Edie Ray many years ago. The Tax Foundation is so tied to the Koch Brothers, it is cannot be considered a reliable source.

  78. phoenix says:

    Jcer,

    Then the boomers came up with a system where they could work 20-25 years and collect for the next 40-50. Next they vote against the same thing for younger workers, but grandfather it for themselves. Then “grandfather” in Social Security and Medicare for themselves, but not younger workers. Lastly, they will decide that paying taxes (aka paying for their own entitlements) is too expensive and want a tax break, so it should be added to the debt (let the next generation pay for it).

    A very limited social safety net was developed, you weren’t paid for not working, period.

  79. No One says:

    Read ”Losing Ground” by Charles Murray on the devastating consequences of LBJ ”great society” programs. Not sure why it hit blacks first, but now the poor whites are doing the same. Many poor in England’s welfare state got on the same cycle of hopeless dependence, typically followed by addiction.

  80. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Another liberal media outlet is a haven for abusers, this time it is Vice, and they even admit it.

  81. 3b says:

    Phoenix yep the same old geezers that decided summer internships would be unpaid. And stupid American parents went along with it.

  82. Mike S says:

    I see plenty of people who have the chance to get ahead, don’t. One of the quickest ways for a high school student to do better than their parents is to get an engineering degree.

    Majority of my colleagues were not born in America and they don’t understand why American’s don’t push for stem education.

    Most engineers I work with are also married to another engineer, between the two of them they do very well.

  83. 3b says:

    Anybody familiar with the most efficient way to get to key west . Would like to avoid that long drive but people say it’s the cheapest way .

  84. 3b says:

    Lots of young Brits get pregnant at a young age. Get a council house and watch American television all day. And drink. Every day.

  85. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    There’s nothing wrong with getting pregnant at a young age, the problem is getting pregnant unmarried, uneductated, and dependent at a young age. If you visit Lincoln Nebraska you’ll think you are back in the 1950’s. 20 year old girls pushing baby carriages everywhere. The difference is they don’t live at home with their parents and their husbands have jobs.

  86. Not No One says:

    Charles Murray is a whack job. Essentially a social conservative corporatist flying the flag of libertarianism. If you look at his books – he hates people. Always the same people, which is anyone that is not WASP.

    About Key West driving – Nope, unless you get in Amtrak’s Auto Train, about an hour south of DC in the early afternoon (from northern NJ, you’ll have to leave the day before and stay at a local hotel) and it’ll drop you off outside of Orlando – if on time by late morning, and you drive down the last 6-7 hours. Of course, to make it comfortable you want a private room and is $$$.

    Otherwise drive and break it into two 12 hrs days, staying somewhere in SC or GA. Your nightmare will be DC’s 495. Exit 52? 53? off I-95 in Baltimore will put you into the Baltimore Wash Pkwy (think Palisades Interstate Parkway 50 mph’s and no trucks ) and into southern DC, you will rejoin 495 a few miles north of where it re-merges back to I-95. Take both 295 beltways around Richmond and Jacksonville to avoid downtown traffic.

  87. 3b says:

    Not no one thanks. But we are going to fly. But when we land there is a 3 hour drive. I was wondering if there was a more direct way?

  88. Pete says:

    3B,

    United has direct flights to key west out of Newark. Probably around $150 more than flying into Miami or Ft. Lauderdale but does save you quite a bit of time both ways.

    The drive to Key West is scenic though, so there is that if you are forced to drive.

  89. 3b says:

    Thanks Pete!! Exactly what I was looking for!!

  90. phoenix says:

    Even better, become a police officer. Benefits will never be cut for the enforcers. Teachers in the future might be cut, but not the police.

    One of the quickest ways for a high school student to do better than their parents is to get an engineering degree.

  91. Not Phoenix says:

    Phoenix – don’t you believe!!

    At least in NJ – look at the Camden City / County PD model, for what is about to happen to school, FD, PD, DPW, Parks, you name it.

    That is what Norcross and Sweeney have planned. That’s what DiVicenzo needs to keeps west Essex paying for east Essex. And that is the magic oil that will allow Murphy to do what ever he’s going to do.

    Camden County PD could only accept no more than 49.9% of the old Camden City PD (don’t know how many cross over). Camden County PD – no initial union contract, lower pay and bennies. A lot of under 20 yrs rif-raff in the Camden City force let go.
    Camden County PD has double the cops for less money than before, patrolling the same area, now in the process of taking over other towns by same process.

  92. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Teacher benefits have already been decinated.

  93. Juice Box says:

    too bad all this rain isn’t snow….

  94. Njescapee says:

    NJ to Key West: 3b FYI I recommend flight to FLL and then drive the 180 miles. Rental car is useful if you plan to explore the Keys Bahia Honda a few miles south of the 7 mile bridge is real nice. We drove the entire trip with 2 dogs many times with overnight stop in Florence SC. Not awful at least now there are a few Starbucks on I95.

  95. Njescapee says:

    Those direct flights are priced a lot higher in the peak months. Worth a try though

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