So what’s in store for NJ?

From the APP:

Real estate forecast: Partly sunny, with mix of clouds

How would you characterize the health of New Jersey’s residential housing market, from the perspective of homeowners and potential home buyers and sellers?

In a word, uncertain. The basic economic measures are reasonably good. The job market is growing, albeit slower than some would like, but growing. The lower inventory of homes for sale remains low. This should be good for sellers, but the uncertain impact of the new tax laws may give potential buyers pause and thus reduce demand. There is much noise currently about the negative impact of the new tax laws on housing prices that may lead buyers to offer lower prices to sellers. Sellers may be reluctant to lower their asking prices until there is more certainty on the tax law impact. I believe that strong market towns will continue to be strong as the community characteristics, school system reputation, proximity to transit and other features will offset the tax law impacts. On the other hand, towns that do not have those advantages may suffer greater reductions in home prices as there is little to offset the tax law impacts.

What kinds of housing are in greatest demand in New Jersey, and does that match what is being built?

The greatest demand is for higher-density townhomes, condominiums and rentals near mass transit. That housing is being built in those towns that have undergone a redevelopment analysis and revised their zoning to allow it. In those towns that have not undertaken to amend their master plans and zoning to attract the younger generations, that type of housing is not being built. The belief that higher-density housing is bad for a suburban town because it brings in too many schoolchildren persists despite a decline in pupil enrollment in many towns. There are a sizeable number of commercial and other non-residential structures that have outlived their usefulness but are in desirable locations and could be converted into residential uses. All towns should take a look at their inventory and take steps to allow the conversion of these buildings to residential.

Average home values in most municipalities in New Jersey remain well below what they were more than a decade ago. Do you see that changing any time soon?

Average is a dangerous term here. In those municipalities with the advantages of market-favored locations, good school system reputations, proximity to mass transit, home values have largely recovered or surpassed the pre-recession values. Other towns not fortunate to have those advantages will continue to struggle. The new tax laws will only make the home value recovery more difficult. The type of home also has a large impact on the value recovery analysis. Older homes that have not been upgraded will continue to decline in value. Location is still the major factor in value analysis. Look at the steep increase in home values in some older towns in close proximity to transit. During the latter part of the 20th century, most new development was in the outer suburbs. Now, the more desirable locations and most new housing is in the municipalities close to mass transit. We have also benefited from a low interest rate for many years. Interest rates are likely to rise in the next two years, which will likely not help values. And, by the way, those pre-recession home values were not sustainable and the frothiness was the result of speculators and horrible lending practices.

What kinds of policies would you like to see Gov. Phil Murphy implement that would benefit homebuyers and developers?

I think the allowance of full deduction of property taxes on state income tax returns would be of some help. In addition, a full review of the entire state tax structure should be undertaken. Taking a holistic view of all revenues and expenses at all levels of government has not been done since the 1980s. That is long overdue. A review of the overall land use process from the Municipal Land Use Law through the county and state administrative policies and regulations would also be helpful in finding ways to shorten the regulatory process and align with market needs without sacrificing environmental safeguards. A comprehensive plan to better coordinate the needs of businesses and residents is needed. New Jersey is in competition with the rest of the country for jobs and talent and cannot afford to allow outdated laws and regulations at all levels of government to hurt us in that competition. The Murphy administration’s support for housing for all income levels will be very important in allowing the state to compete favorably. Nimble and flexible are not terms normally associated with government. But the state needs to be more nimble and flexible to compete.

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90 Responses to So what’s in store for NJ?

  1. Mike says:

    Good Morning New Jersey

  2. grim says:

    Lower taxes in NJ? Ha.

    They’d rather spend millions of our tax dollars on a baseless lawsuit against the federal government.

  3. D-FENS says:

    Phil Murphy ran on a promise to raise taxes in NJ…and he won.

  4. Grim says:

    Murphy fashions himself as the Anti-Trump these days.

    I hear he is already planning for his presidential campaign.

  5. Hold my beer says:

    Nj doesn’t have a tax problem, it has a revenue problem. /s

  6. D-FENS says:

    Great. Another NJ Governor who wants to be President.

  7. nwnj says:

    How out of touch is hollywood and the music industry to trot out Hillary for ANYTHING? Do they know she bought the DNC primary and her untrustworthy reputation handed Trump the presidency? Very encouraging indicator for 2020 to see the Clinton faction still holds sway.

  8. Grim says:

    Sad to see the washed up struggle for relevancy. Perhaps she will borrow a Hollywood strategy and leak a sex tape to boost her career.

  9. Fast Eddie says:

    The difference between Trump supporters and Hillary supporters: Trump supporters sign the front of checks and Hillary supporters sign the back of checks.

  10. Very Stable Genius says:


    U2 goes there, shouts out: “Blessed are the shithole countries, for they gave us the American Dream.” (It was censored on live TV.)

  11. Fast Eddie says:


    Interpret that statement above? (Don’t hold your breath, folks.)

  12. 30 year realtor says:


    On the check signing thing…have you ever looked into who is receiving government assistance? You may find it surprising. By far it is white people. I do not have the statistics to back this up but I am confident that many of these white people are Trump supporters.

  13. leftwing says:

    “Sad to see the washed up struggle for relevancy. Perhaps she will borrow a Hollywood strategy and leak a sex tape to boost her career.”

    Grim, please. Breakfast is not far enough in the rear view mirror for that visual.

    Puzzy, U2 was close. “Blessed are the the sh1tholes for they gave us the DREAMERS”

    Neat little MSM tug of war with guests this morning on CBS. Trump favors eliminating “so-called” chain immigration, while the Dems support family based immigration. Guess which phrase won out? I think someone actually used air quotes on so called lol.

  14. Stutz Bearcat says:

    Careful 40 year, you’ll wake Eddie from his slumber.

  15. leftwing says:

    Re: the opening article, all great thoughts. All on the margin. Health of NJ real estate market = health of NYC. Accounts for 90%. All else superfluous.

  16. Stutz Bearcat says:

    I wonder how old Eddie was when he sucked his first c@ck….?

  17. leftwing says:

    Entertainment expenses (as opposed to meals) no longer deductible.

    Local major league sports teams may take a hit. Glad I ditched my PSL in the divorce.

  18. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:


    Bono claimed MLK was shot in the early morning. 6:01Pm in the early morning. At least he got the city right.

  19. ex-Jersey says:

    Gary/Eddie shares a lot in common with his Orange Idol. Tiny dicks and huuuuuge imaginations. I hope he treats his wife better than Trump has treated his mail-order brides. Ya know?

  20. chicagofinance says:

    Lost in all this bickering is that I was attempting to make an objective assessment. I actually think that the situation is different. However, having you, ex-Pat, joyce and others say that I am mistaken is sufficient for me to back off. I am not going to spend the time reading through the fact pattern.

    Out of all these postings, the following is the most illustrative
    “But when you realise its one of your own, your attitude and position change.”
    This allegation is patently false, but it clearly speaks to how YOU function in your thought process. You are a damnable and a frankly squirrelly aggravation that serves little, if any, intellectual purpose on these threads. Your chronic agenda of trolling supersedes any other positions that you posit to the boards.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    January 28, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    Well I wouldn’t have put it in the same words as ExPat, but he makes the point.
    Yes the choice of that woman was deliberate. You said it, they are exactly the same. Any other nationality you blow it off. But when you realise its one of your own, your attitude and position change.

    I can keep lobbing illegal Albanians at you all day.

  21. Ex-Jersey says:

    “….I was a stranger, and you took me in…”

    Pretty much all one needs to know, now isn’t it.

    Put yourself in the position of a refugee.

  22. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    ““….I was a stranger, and you took me in…””

    And gave me section 8 housing, while raising my taxes. Then you stole my hubcaps.

  23. leftwing says:

    Big Red ranked number 1, USCHO!

    First time in 15 years!

  24. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    This Sweeney guy flip flops so much, he may want to have himself checked for schizophrenia.

  25. leftwing says:

    Let’s wipe the slate clean to try to frame the argument.

    After a period of rapid activity entities typically pause and consolidate. Companies. Markets. Athletes.

    US population has popped and immigration has exploded, especially relative to other developed countries. After this exhaustive run we as a nation have serious questions about what it all means. Why not a pause?

    Shut down all immigration except on a very limited, case-by-case basis. 50,000 people annually.

    I know everyone is going to hyperventilate. Then step back, think about it in the context of consolidating all the recent activity, and specifically answer ‘why not’.

    From the perspective of all current citizens (natural or immigrants) in the country.

  26. Stutz Bearcat says:

    11:46 ….and grudge f@cked my sister…..

  27. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    I’m good with legal immigration, but would be against turning it off. Really, for no other reason than, one, we can afford it. Two, there are a lot of sh1thole countries out there. Heck, my family escaped Russian pogroms to come here. We did it legally. Look how nicely it worked for all of us. This can still be the case.

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    ‘We say time’s up for pay inequality, discrimination or harassment of any kind,’ Monae declared, ‘and the abuse of power.’

    Then Kesha appeared on stage with a host of other female stars including Cindy Lauper and Camila Cabello.

    They all wore white, the theme colour for the night, along with the wearing of white roses, to show support and solidarity for the #MeToo and #TimesUp movements.

    When Kesha finished singing, she burst into tears, as did many of the audience.

    But Kesha didn’t actually win an award.

    In the category for which she was nominated, Best Pop Solo Performance, Ed Sheeran won, for a song – as enraged Twitter swiftly pointed out – about getting a woman drunk and taking her home to have sex with her.

    Any questions?

  29. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    TNX back in the 70s.

  30. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    That’s a great Ed Sheeran song.

    I always say to my wife, if the women want equality, they should use the same sized ball in the WNBA. Until then, don’t ask for equal billing.

  31. Not a Steamy Tuuurd says:

    Said it many time, watch for the Camden City PD treatment coming your way. New structure takes over old structure with new lower paid & less benefits for new non-unionized hired staff, with a very small skeleton crew brought over from previous structure.

    Sweeney is Norcross’s guy. For all of you out there. If your town is not using the State Employees Health Benefit Plans to insure your local employees, than its 99.9% likely using Norcross’s company as brokerage for something else. Let’s call it pay to play with a little extra sauce of “influence”. Norcross is the closest thing to the “kingmaker” character of the series Billions that runs upstate NY.

    Norcross aims can best be describe as building a network of clients made up of regionalize / non-profit / public utility model entities to provide public services. AKA – neo-liberal model. Elected power is severely diluted in this model and “who you know” rules the day, but no big deal because “who you know already runs NJ”. Plus of course, they will all be using his brokerage business.

    On the good side, he has improved a lot Cooper University Hospital and push for better EMS in greater Camden. And this is what a public utility model looks in the world of emergency ambulance systems

    So the old NJ ethics question applies. Can a guy be bad if he improves things, but takes a small commission of the growing pie?

  32. Fast Eddie says:

    Snoop Dogg, who was on parade taunting President Trump last night, once infamously sang: ‘B*tches ain’t sh*t, but hoes and tricks.’


  33. chicagofinance says:

    What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa

    By Karin McQuillan

    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town. Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”
    In plain English: s— is everywhere. People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.
    Never in my wildest dreams would I have imagined that a few decades later, liberals would be pushing the lie that Western civilization is no better than a third-world country. Or would teach two generations of our kids that loving your own culture and wanting to preserve it are racism.
    Last time I was in Paris, I saw a beautiful African woman in a grand boubou have her child defecate on the sidewalk next to Notre Dame Cathedral. The French police officer, ten steps from her, turned his head not to see.
    I have seen. I am not turning my head and pretending unpleasant things are not true.
    Senegal was not a hellhole. Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures’ terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible.

  34. chicagofinance says:

    As a twenty-one-year-old starting out in the Peace Corps, I loved Senegal. In fact, I was euphoric. I quickly made friends and had an adopted family. I relished the feeling of the brotherhood of man. People were open, willing to share their lives and, after they knew you, their innermost thoughts.
    The longer I lived there, the more I understood: it became blindingly obvious that the Senegalese are not the same as us. The truths we hold to be self-evident are not evident to the Senegalese. How could they be? Their reality is totally different. You can’t understand anything in Senegal using American terms.
    Take something as basic as family. Family was a few hundred people, extending out to second and third cousins. All the men in one generation were called “father.” Senegalese are Muslim, with up to four wives. Girls had their cl!torises cut off at p6berty. (I witnessed this, at what I thought was going to be a nice coming-of-age ceremony, like a bat mitzvah or confirmation.) S5x, I was told, did not include kissing. Love and friendship in marriage were Western ideas. Fidelity was not a thing. Married women would have s5x for a few cents to have cash for the market.
    What I did witness every day was that women were worked half to death. Wives raised the food and fed their own children, did the heavy labor of walking miles to gather wood for the fire, drew water from the well or public faucet, pounded grain with heavy hand-held pestles, lived in their own huts, and had conjugal visits from their husbands on a rotating basis with their co-wives. Their husbands lazed in the shade of the trees.

  35. chicagofinance says:

    Yet family was crucial to people there in a way Americans cannot comprehend.
    The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown. The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.
    We hear a lot about the kleptocratic elites of Africa. The kleptocracy extends through the whole society. My town had a medical clinic donated by international agencies. The medicine was stolen by the medical workers and sold to the local store. If you were sick and didn’t have money, drop dead. That was normal.
    So here in the States, when we discovered that my 98-year-old father’s Muslim health aide from Nigeria had stolen his clothes and wasn’t bathing him, I wasn’t surprised. It was familiar.
    In Senegal, corruption ruled, from top to bottom. Go to the post office, and the clerk would name an outrageous price for a stamp. After paying the bribe, you still didn’t know it if it would be mailed or thrown out. That was normal.
    One of my most vivid memories was from the clinic. One day, as the wait grew hotter in the 110-degree heat, an old woman two feet from the medical aides – who were chatting in the shade of a mango tree instead of working – collapsed to the ground. They turned their heads so as not to see her and kept talking. She lay there in the dirt. Callousness to the sick was normal.
    Americans think it is a universal human instinct to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It’s not. It seems natural to us because we live in a Bible-based Judeo-Christian culture.
    We think the Protestant work ethic is universal. It’s not. My town was full of young men doing nothing. They were waiting for a government job. There was no private enterprise. Private business was not illegal, just impossible, given the nightmare of a third-world bureaucratic kleptocracy. It is also incompatible with Senegalese insistence on taking care of relatives.
    All the little stores in Senegal were owned by Mauritanians. If a Senegalese wanted to run a little store, he’d go to another country. The reason? Your friends and relatives would ask you for stuff for free, and you would have to say yes. End of your business. You are not allowed to be a selfish individual and say no to relatives. The result: Everyone has nothing.
    The more I worked there and visited government officials doing absolutely nothing, the more I realized that no one in Senegal had the idea that a job means work. A job is something given to you by a relative. It provides the place where you steal everything to give back to your family.
    I couldn’t wait to get home. So why would I want to bring Africa here? Non-Westerners do not magically become American by arriving on our shores with a visa.
    For the rest of my life, I enjoyed the greatest gift of the Peace Corps: I love and treasure America more than ever. I take seriously my responsibility to defend our culture and our country and pass on the American heritage to the next generation.
    African problems are made worse by our aid efforts. Senegal is full of smart, capable people. They will eventually solve their own country’s problems. They will do it on their terms, not ours. The solution is not to bring Africans here.
    We are lectured by Democrats that we must privilege third-world immigration by the hundred million with chain migration. They tell us we must end America as a white, Western, Judeo-Christian, capitalist nation – to prove we are not racist. I don’t need to prove a thing. Leftists want open borders because they resent whites, resent Western achievements, and hate America. They want to destroy America as we know it.
    As President Trump asked, why would we do that?
    We have the right to choose what kind of country to live in. I was happy to donate a year of my life as a young woman to help the poor Senegalese. I am not willing to donate my country.

  36. leftwing says:

    Not buying it lib.

    “I’m good with legal immigration, but would be against turning it off. Really, for no other reason than, one, we can afford it.”

    No way you can convince me that you are the type of guy that blows cash just because you have some in your pocket. Why apply that standard to the nation? ‘Why not’ is not an affirmative answer.

    “Two, there are a lot of sh1thole countries out there. Heck, my family escaped Russian pogroms to come here. We did it legally. Look how nicely it worked for all of us. This can still be the case.”

    Don’t disagree, but several buried points in there. Focusing on one, the question I asked, I understand that new immigrants benefit from coming here. They always expect to, by definition, or they wouldn’t emigrate from their current country.

    The question was what is the benefit to the current citizen of 1m plus people continuing to come in every year. Or better, what is the detriment to the current citizen of shutting off that pipeline for a few years after decades of a parabolic curve?

    Immigration policy was historically for the benefit of our country, not for the benefit of the immigrant who was assumed to benefit. We had 2/3 of the land of this country empty and massive amounts of natural resources to exploit. We had incredible labor needs in the factories in our newly burgeoning industrial centers. All required a lot of new bodies, regardless of the lack of any recognizable skill set. Neither of those cases currently exist.

    So, again, what would be so detrimental to the current citizens of the US of turning off that pipeline for a period and just digesting everything we have taken in while figuring out exactly who and what we are with respect to this issue after decades of massive growth?

  37. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    That’s all Trump meant, he was speaking literally, albeit colloquially.

    “a fecalized environment.”

  38. No One says:

    “B*tches ain’t sh*t, but hoes and tricks.”
    I’m waiting for the online SJW’s to become outraged by identifying each and every racist, patriarchal, misogynistic statement that can be found in the lyrics and words of their oppressed cultural heroes.

  39. The Original NJ ExPat says:
  40. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Thanks for that share. Excellent read and leads me to believe there is no hope for human civilization. The western civilizations have become obsessed with domesticating the rest of the world to our way of life, and it’s just not going to happen. The idea of “saving” people that do not want to be saved is a complete waste of time, and can only ruin the society that is trying to do the saving. Everyone should read that article so they have better understanding of why we should not be saving cultures that go against the basic fundamental laws of our society. These people will only resist and try their damn best to change our culture to theirs.

  41. D-FENS says:

    “a fecalized environment”

    This can’t be real.

  42. joyce says:

    Without judging for the moment the merits of this model, how long did it take for this model to take hold? Also, would it have ever done so if Camden wasn’t in the remarkable condition it’s in?

    Not a Steamy Tuuurd says:
    January 29, 2018 at 1:07 pm
    Said it many time, watch for the Camden City PD treatment coming your way.

  43. D-FENS says:

    Watch the section on “west point”

  44. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    The lyrics were b1tches ain’t sh1t, but t1ts and cl1t. These politicial twits need to do better research.

  45. Steamturd supporting the Canklephate says:

    I don’t have time to answer your question because I’m simply too busy. My short answer is; you can’t play policeman to the world and then close your borders. And if you stop paying for a military that is big enough to police the world, then you can easily afford to let them in. Some would argue, if you stop playing world policeman, they wouldn’t want to come in.

  46. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Our military doesn’t need to be big enough to police the world.

    It only needs to be big enough to make sure that the only currency in which crude oil can be priced is dollars.

  47. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    “Pumpkin ain’t a smart man, just pancakes in a spray can.”

  48. chicagofinance says:

    In the old days, this behavior would be known as “Trash Talk”. An attempt by an opponent to say various provocative things. It was an attempt to draw focus on issues other than fully concentrating on beating the trash talker. Effective trash talkers were known to be lauded and considered the ability an important strategic asset.

  49. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The black guy should have told the Appalachian State player, “Yeah, but if your Mom divorces your Dad is she still your sister?”

  50. 3b says:

    We need to stop being the policeman of the world. Just need to protect our country. We can’t go into these countries and destabilize them and then have some people be upset when they follow us home. There are also civic norms and behavior that is customary over here that all groups should adhere to in their public interactions with everyone else. Otherwise it will all break down.

  51. Not Joyce says:


    Camden City PD takeover happened because of money. It cost too much to make it functional. There was no money to bring it up to proper level. By going to a county PD that just handled Camden, the money issue was addressed, as new agency=new rules=new benefit package=non-union to start out=don’t have to bring the worse of the worse – because law forbids more than 49.9% of previous employees.

    How it translate to greater NJ is, just look at the old Bergen County PD – $140k+ yr/ poof be gone, Bergen County Sheriff at 80-90k do same harassment of truckers and drivers. The Palisades Interstate Parkway is probably next.

    The tax issue is driven by schools and services, which are too local. Plenty of pressure can be put on towns to merge up. A figure on top of my head going back to 201o when the Star Ledger did a story. Union City in Hudson County, State Aid at all levels is 85% of its budget. Take it away, average property tax goes from 9k to 55k.

    Issue is who is going to swing the axe.

  52. 3b says:

    Oh on another note why do people leave their Xmas decorations up well after Xmas. Just saying!

  53. 3b says:

    Not Joyce . The biggest problem with merging is peoples perception real or imagined that they will be merging with a less desirable town which they believe will hurt their property valuesb

  54. Alex says:

    Chi [1:12]

    Powerful essay on life in Senegal. Every spoiled, indoctrinated, narrow-minded Snowflake should read it.

  55. Fabius Maximus says:


    A big whatever. What is clear is that regardless what position I take you will continue say its wrong, up to the point others say its right.
    I don’t have a problem with you taking a position on anything, whether it agrees with my position or not. That’s called discussion and debate. But I will continue to point out when you are hypocritical.

    On a side note, instead of posting these full articles. Can you post a link and highlight. It is a pain to have to scroll through on a mobile device.

  56. Fabius Maximus says:

    Murphy has a road map. Way to go Jerry, raise taxes, curtail spending and hey presto, a budget surplus!

  57. Stutz Bearcat says:

    Anyonecan see the Country is struggling, so lets give more money to cash – fat corporations. Once we loot the middle class and private enterprise departs for shith@les of their own, we should be fine.

  58. Stutz Bearcat says:

    And by all means, let’s sell off that pesky public land. Surely someone can gind oil/minerals there.

    t Zion national park, a popular trail has been closed since 2010. At the Grand Canyon, a rusting pipeline that supplies drinking water to the busiest part of the park breaks at least a half-dozen times a year. At Voyageurs, a historic cabin collapsed.

    The National Park Service is the protector of some of America’s greatest environmental and cultural treasures. Yet a huge funding shortfall means that the strain of America’s passion for its parks is showing. Trails are crumbling and buildings are rotting. In all there is an $11bn backlog of maintenance work that repair crews have been unable to perform, a number that has mostly increased every year in the past decade.

  59. 3b says:

    Although with all the rental housing being built it won’t matter so much any more.

  60. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    I suspect the article chifi posted was behind a pay wall, so it wouldn’t be unavailable to most of us. I appreciated the article a lot, and certainly a hell of a lot more than 47 consecutive posts of Pumpkin spraying his uneducated seed across the walls like he’s thinking he’s the second coming (heh-heh) of Jackson Pollock.

    On a side note, instead of posting these full articles. Can you post a link and highlight. It is a pain to have to scroll through on a mobile device.

  61. Stutz Bearcat says:

    Bye Rodney you c@ck load.

  62. Stutz Bearcat says:

    6:14 very interesting article.

  63. Fabius Maximus says:

    So many ways to unpack this. Let’s start here. Female C1rcumision is not an Immigration issue. It is a abhorrent practice that can only be solved by leading the country away from its practice. It is not tolerated here, or in the all of the first and second world.
    Part of the issue here and this lady touches upon it, is that there seems to be a lot of people looking at Immigration from a Judeo-Cristian mindset and that is wrong. This country was founded on Freedom of Religion and that should be first and foremost. We like the Norway immigration as they are just like ?

  64. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    House Intel Committee Votes to Release Memo. I know exactly what Trump is going to do with this. I guarantee that the Dems have something they think is pretty big to hit Trump with the day after tomorrow’s State of the Union. Starting during the debates, that has always been their strategy, some big load of nothing to break his momentum. When they hit with whatever that is on Wednesday, he’s going to hit back with this.

  65. Fabius Maximus says:

    And a link from Snopes. There are many sides to a story.

  66. joyce says:

    I don’t this, your second example, holds water. It’s my understanding almost 100% of the Bergen PD was absorbed into the Sheriff’s office. Plus, they refused to take pay cuts and were allowed to form their own unit in the Sheriff’s office (Bureau of Police Services) keeping their current pay. Now 2 year later, a few were laid off and the best part is… they offered to keep 100% of the officers at the lower Sheriff’s pay but the union voted and lost by 1 vote. Meaning, they are still being paid the same.

    Not Joyce says:
    January 29, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    How it translate to greater NJ is, just look at the old Bergen County PD – $140k+ yr/ poof be gone, Bergen County Sheriff at 80-90k do same harassment of truckers and drivers. The Palisades Interstate Parkway is probably next.

  67. joyce says:

    Even if they went through with the plan at current contract rates… not much savings here:
    “Sheriff’s officers top out at $115,155, with sergeant and lieutenant salaries ranging from about $120,000 to $136,000. While Police Bureau officers start top out at more than $126,000. Sergeants, lieutenants and captains are able to make about $137,000 to $163,000.”

    And lastly, the reason why this example is not applicable is because they have [barely] reduced two 100% completely redundant county agencies. They left completely untouched the other ~70 municipal departments.

    PS. I’m not generally opposed to country service consolidation.

  68. leftwing says:

    Immigration vis a vis world policeman, don’t see the connection. Two different issues.

    If we are looking at solving the world’s problems through immigration (sidenote: don’t know why we would try or how that would work) good luck.

    20% of the world’s population – 1.5 billion people in total – live on less than a dollar a day.

    There are at least 28 significant world conflicts directly impacting multiple tens of millions of people.

    Between these two groups – poverty and conflict – millions of people each day worldwide are in imminent threat of death.

    We import a million a year.


    Again, our immigration policies are in place to benefit us.

  69. Fabius Maximus says:
  70. joyce says:

    Brown “slashed” spending (don’t remember that exactly). Can you tell me what he cut? He slightly raised the sales tax rate and imposed what NJ would call a “millionaire’s tax”.

    If we do that, what can we slash in NJ? Education spending makes up what at least 60% at least of local spending and I think 30% of state spending.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    January 29, 2018 at 5:58 pm
    Murphy has a road map. Way to go Jerry, raise taxes, curtail spending and hey presto, a budget surplus!

  71. Stutz Bearcat says:

    It’s very very bare bones in schools here.

  72. Stutz Bearcat says:

    David Bowie – Sweet Jane Lyrics
    Standin’ on the corner, suit case in my hand, Jack is in his coat, Jane is in her vest, and, me, I’m in a rock ‘n’ roll band. Riding in a Stutz-Bearcat, Jim. Ya know, those were different times. The poets, they studied rules of verse, and the ladies, they rolled their eyes. Sweet Jane! Sweet Jane! Sweet Jane!

    Now, Jack, he is a banker, and Jane, she is a clerk. Both of them save their monies, when they come home from work. Sittin’ down there by the fire, the radio does play. The classic music is, ” The March of Wooden Soldiers”, and you can heard Jack say, Sweet Jane, Sweet Jane, Sweet Jane.

    Some people like to go out dancin’. Now other people they go to work. There’s even some evil mothers, they’ll tell you life’s just made out of dirt. That women, they never really faint, and villains always blink their eyes. That childeren are the only ones who blush, and life is just to die. That every one who ever had a heart… That wouldn’t turn round and break it, anyone that played a part, whooa, and wouldn’t turn round and hate it. Sweet Jane, Sweet Jane, Sweet Jane.

    Sweet Jane! (Sweet Jane) Sweet Jane! (Sweet Jane)… Sweet Jane! (Sweet Jane)…(Sweet Jane)…

  73. Fabius Maximus says:

    Looks like the House GOP are willing to burn it all down to save Donnie. They won’t even give the memo to their own team. This won’t end well.

  74. Fabius Maximus says:

    Here’s a view on the Midterms. Shellacking ahead?

  75. Stutz Bearcat says:

    Unless people really think this baffoon is acting in their best interest…?

  76. 3b says:

    We have had buffoons for quite some time now.

  77. Fabius Maximus says:

    Umm, I know Lou and Bowie were close, but this will always be a Lou and VR song.

  78. 3b says:

    Fab and will all be well again? Or will you justify and rationalize all that they do? They are all the same grasshopper. A shame most people have not realised that yet.

  79. 3b says:

    Fab according to how I read that CNN article neither side is looking good.

  80. Fabius Maximus says:


    I am firmly of the view that this should not be played out in the court of public opinion. This should all be done behind closed doors.
    If you want to lay anything at Hillary feet, it is not Benghazi, it should be that Wikileaks happened on her watch. This stuff should never see the light of day.

    Looking at this, it seems this memo will make the case w that this investigation should never have happened because of the way initial intel was gathered. If that was the case I would say that let due process of law determine what is admissible. But what seems to be clear is that Page, et all and even Donnie Jr have some answering to do.

  81. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    There’s very good reason for that, and it has historical precedent:

    Looks like the House GOP are willing to burn it all down to save Donnie. They won’t even give the memo to their own team. This won’t end well.

  82. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Here’s what I think we’ll find:

    1. FBI tried to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign and was denied.
    2. They tried again, this time with opposition research, bought and paid for by the DNC and Clinton. Except the FBI represented the oppo research, bought by Clinton for $12 million, as the FBI’s own sourced information, creating a fraud on the court.

    One more thing. McCabe, who was pushed out today by Wray after he read the memo Yesterday (Sunday), was given $700K of Clinton cash, ostensibly toward his wife’s Virginia run at a state congress position, which failed. When I first heard that, I thought, “Well, maybe something, but it’s kind of nothing,” except…

    In Virginia you get to keep for yourself any left over donations.

    Looking at this, it seems this memo will make the case w that this investigation should never have happened because of the way initial intel was gathered.

  83. Stutz Bearcat says:

    “The elites in dying cultures turn everything into a commodity. Human beings are commodities. The natural world is a commodity. Government and democratic institutions are commodities. All are mined and wrecked for profit. Nothing has an intrinsic value. Nothing is sacred.”

  84. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    2013 article on what you can do with left over campaign funds in Virginia:

    The candidate committees in this year’s statewide races still had millions of dollars leftover at the end of October, according to the Virginia Public Access Project. Final expenses and staffer paychecks will drain much of that — but probably not all.

    Legally, lots of things can happen to that money, including spending it for personal use, so long as that committee isn’t closing its account yet, thanks to Virginia’s lax campaign finance laws.

  85. Leftwing says:

    Fabs good Bloomberg post.

    Freylinghausen retiring, big coal mine canary there…

    District I’m familiar with in post industrial red country may also flip. Local son running on blue, probably can piece together a majority on national negative and local positive.

    On a really good day being a House member is a sucky job. Can’t imagine what it’s like now.

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