Reaching the tipping point?

From CNBC:

Home price gains ease in April: S&P Case-Shiller

The heat appears to be coming off home prices, albeit very slightly. Nationally, values rose 6.4 percent annually in April, down from a 6.5 percent gain the previous month, according to the S&P CoreLogic Case-Shiller National Home Price Index.

The nation’s 10 largest cities saw price gains of 6.2 percent in April, down from 6.4 percent in the previous month. The 20-City Composite posted a 6.6 percent year-over-year gain, down from 6.7 percent in the previous month.

“Home prices continued their climb,” said David M. Blitzer, managing director and chairman of the Index Committee at S&P Dow Jones Indices. “Cities west of the Rocky Mountains continue to lead price increases with Seattle, Las Vegas, and San Francisco ranking 1-2-3 based on price movements in the trailing 12 months. The favorable economy and moderate mortgage rates both support recent gains in housing.”

The biggest factor heating home prices is the pervasive shortage of homes for sale. Supply is increasing very slightly month-to-month, but is still considerably lower than one year ago.

Ten of the top 20 cities are currently higher than their peaks from 2006, not accounting for inflation. The national index is also above its last peak.

“However, if one adjusts the price movements for inflation since 2006, a very different picture emerges,” noted Blitzer. “Only three cities – Dallas, Denver, and Seattle – are ahead in real, or inflation-adjusted, terms. The National Index is 14 percent below its boom-time peak and Las Vegas, the city with the longest road to a new high, is 47 percent below its peak when inflation is factored in.”

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161 Responses to Reaching the tipping point?

  1. Chicago says:

    Frist

  2. Yo! says:

    “3b says:

    June 26, 2018 at 2:35 pm

    2 bedroom condo just came on in my blue ribbony train town. Sold in 02 for 357k,sold again in 05 for 505k. Just listed at 314k. That has to hurt!”

    Your town’s condo market is wildly underperforming the broader market. Something is seriously wrong there. S&P Case-Shiller data last night shows metro New York condo values are now 20% higher than previous peak in 2006.

    Here are pricing details on the most recent Hoboken condo sale:

    2003 $390,000
    2007 $625,000
    June 2018 $878,000

    3b, can you confirm your Own is in N.J., not Detroit or Venezuela.

  3. Yo! says:

    Your town

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yo,

    Said the same thing yesterday.

  5. William says:

    Long time lurker here.

    The condo in question (38 Jordan Drive in River Edge) is a foreclousure, based on the “winterized” seals in the bathrooms in the NJ MLS photos.

  6. grim says:

    From CNBC:

    Weekly mortgage applications fall sharply as potential homebuyers drop out

    Homebuyers are pulling away from this summer’s expensive and competitive housing market, even as interest rates settle. Total mortgage application volume fell 4.9 percent, seasonally adjusted, last week compared with the previous week, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. There were 12 percent fewer applications compared with the same week one year ago.

    Applications for mortgages to purchase a home led the decline, falling 6 percent for the week. More new listings are coming on the market this summer, but buyers are bumping up against high prices and multiple offers. Cash buyers often have the upper hand, as sellers would rather not deal with appraisals that might not meet those higher prices.

    If June is anything like May, demand is still high, but sales will be lower. A monthly demand index from real estate brokerage Redfin found the same number of people were requesting home tours in May as in April, but the number of buyers making offers fell 16.7 percent year over year.

    “People listing their homes for sale in higher numbers this April and May is good news for buyers, and good news for home sales,” said Redfin’s head of analytics, Pete Ziemkiewicz. “But it’s still not enough to satisfy buyer demand, which means price increases will likely continue.”

  7. grim says:

    The condo in question (38 Jordan Drive in River Edge) is a foreclousure, based on the “winterized” seals in the bathrooms in the NJ MLS photos.

    So I’m guessing this was a “Zillow” price – which for foreclosures, is just some mumbo-jumbo figure – outstanding mortgage balance, etc.

  8. William says:

    The condo is listed for 314,900

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1826361&openhouse=true&dayssince=15&countysearch=fals

    Although in April a comparable unit, 5 Jordan, sold for $450,000, so the unit at 38 Jordan appears to be an outlet and not a representation of the entire market.

  9. William says:

    Should have read “outlier”

  10. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You can look at this as positive or negative. I look at this as an extremely positive sign for the market. No hysteria…aka no bubble. These current prices are as real as it gets. People are not going crazy and artificially pushing up the price.

    grim says:
    June 27, 2018 at 7:45 am
    From CNBC:

    Weekly mortgage applications fall sharply as potential homebuyers drop out

    Homebuyers are pulling away from this summer’s expensive and competitive housing market, even as interest rates settle. Total mortgage application volume fell 4.9 percent, seasonally adjusted, last week compared with the previous week, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. There were 12 percent fewer applications compared with the same week one year ago.

  11. nwnj says:

    No place for moderates in the rotten pos Democrat party. Open borders and soci@lism – take it or leave it.

  12. The Great Pumpkin says:

    See that huge upset win by the Democratic social!st over the established democrats? Only spent 300,000 and won….change is coming.

  13. grim says:

    As long as incumbents get voted out, I don’t care who wins. The longer they’ve been in power, the bigger the upset, the better.

    As long as politicians refuse to establish term limits, I’ll support voting incumbents out.

  14. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Extremism blows. Hopefully, a moderate can come out of this mess.

    nwnj says:
    June 27, 2018 at 7:57 am
    No place for moderates in the rotten pos Democrat party. Open borders and soci@lism – take it or leave it.

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Very good point, grim.

  16. Very Stable Genius says:

    as said the other day, the dynamics of your town may blow, but
    i can see it town over with split between boomers/townies/rightwingers on one side and young/bluewave/wealthy group on the other. past few yrs splits on 1/3, flat lots have been going from 400k to 600k to be teardown and 6 months later is a new chc for 1.3m. good luck finding a house this summer

    anonymous fighting on towns facebook with boomers desperately and bitterly complaining about changes. unwilling to pay taxes but most of them sucking govt tit, put kids thru excellent public school system and now receiving Medicare. all day watching Fox News realizing they can’t compete in the new world and finding out that riding their future only on Privilege might not work after all as the new arrivals from Brooklyn are kicking them out of town and are voting on strong schools and higher taxes

    needless to say that town is thriving as Brooklyn blue wave arrives and rightwint townies diedoff

  17. Very Stable Genius says:

    @kurteichenwald

    Anti Science
    Anti intellectual
    Anti history
    Racists
    Racist apologists
    Homophobes
    Conspiracy Theorists
    Deceivers of “base” to get rich tax cuts
    Deficit exploders
    Debt exploders
    Anti-ally
    Pro-Russia
    Children torturers
    Support murdering children of terrorists
    Pro theocracy

    The GOP.

    grim says:
    June 27, 2018 at 8:12 am
    As long as incumbents get voted out, I don’t care who wins. The longer they’ve been in power, the bigger the upset, the better.

    As long as politicians refuse to establish term limits, I’ll support voting incumbents out.

  18. nwnj says:

    The fastest growing part of the Democrat party are the third world ers. They have a proclivity for soci@lism. And I’m not talking about high achievers from the east. This is
    What decades of identity politics have wrought. An absolute basket case that can’t appeal broadly.

  19. Yo! says:

    Thank you William. The unit that sold for $450,000 a few weeks ago previously sold for $398,000 in 2015. So looks like 3b caught red handed datamining a distressed non-comparable situation to mislead njrereport readers.. Why so much hate, 3b?

  20. Not NwJn says:

    What you call a democratic moderate, I call a “Rockefeller Republican” wearing democratic clothing. This third way Corporatist/ Clinton started/Koch Bros financed (look it up) in the dems is DOA.

    The Clinton’s Dems is the same as the 75 Rockefeller’s GOP. All is happening is the true Democratic based asserting itself and getting rid of corporatist.

    I have to give credit to the Koch Bros’s strategy. They first spent money in dems, by financing the third way/democratic leadership council and kill its labor wing and moved the democratic party way to the right in economics/finance. This move than open the way to the gop to go full tilt lunatic right and touch ground no one would think possible 30 yrs ago, in fact is a miracle that they have not brought up legal slavery, even though we have something close “student loan debt slavery”.

    nwnj says:
    June 27, 2018 at 7:57 am
    No place for moderates in the rotten pos Democrat party. Open borders and soci@lism – take it or leave it.

  21. Fast Eddie says:

    Deficit exploders
    Debt exploders

    These two are my favorite knowing that Oblama got these two under control (eyes rolling).

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    young/bluewave/wealthy group

    How do you get wealthy when you pine for entitlements and assistance?

  23. 3b says:

    It’s not listed as a foreclosure or short sale on njmls. I will post some house examples when I get a choice. People that bought in 05 or 06 have had no appreciation over the last decade.

  24. grim says:

    Wow that dude is a sleezebag.

  25. 3b says:

    Yo no hate I saw the listing there was no indication of foreclosure or short sale and I posted it. Turns out more to the story. As for the comparable that sold in April at 450k thats fine. But let’s not forget the one I posted sold for 500k in o5. 13 years later and the comparable is now 450k. I don’t hate real estate. Just not a fan of nj real estate with some exceptions. I love Harrison!

  26. grim says:

    Back in ’06, weren’t we all saying it would take 20 years for them to break even?

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b being called out for the negative misleading real estate talk he puts out. Just like his position that good school districts are nothing special or that nj schools are nothing special. Sure, buddy.

  28. Fast Eddie says:

    Children torturers

    Abortion?

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Interesting.

    “I have to give credit to the Koch Bros’s strategy. They first spent money in dems, by financing the third way/democratic leadership council and kill its labor wing and moved the democratic party way to the right in economics/finance. This move than open the way to the gop to go full tilt lunatic right and touch ground no one would think possible 30 yrs ago, in fact is a miracle that they have not brought up legal slavery, even though we have something close “student loan debt slavery”.”

  30. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yup, so obvious.

    “Sweeney has done more to fight Phil in 6 months than he fought Christie in 8 years. It’s obvious he is mad, he wanted to be Gov.”

  31. chicagofinance says:

    You’ve devolved into cutting and pasting your own old posts?

    Very Stable Genius says:
    June 27, 2018 at 8:33 am
    as said the other day, the dynamics of your town may blow, but
    i can see it town over with split between boomers/townies/rightwingers on one side and young/bluewave/wealthy group on the other. past few yrs splits on 1/3, flat lots have been going from 400k to 600k to be teardown and 6 months later is a new chc for 1.3m. good luck finding a house this summer

    anonymous fighting on towns facebook with boomers desperately and bitterly complaining about changes. unwilling to pay taxes but most of them sucking govt tit, put kids thru excellent public school system and now receiving Medicare. all day watching Fox News realizing they can’t compete in the new world and finding out that riding their future only on Privilege might not work after all as the new arrivals from Brooklyn are kicking them out of town and are voting on strong schools and higher taxes

    needless to say that town is thriving as Brooklyn blue wave arrives and rightwint townies diedoff

  32. joyce says:

    Caught red handed and Data mining… can you be anymore dramatic?

    Why are you so defensive? Especially since he’s not in Hudson County.

    Yo! says:
    June 27, 2018 at 8:50 am
    Thank you William. The unit that sold for $450,000 a few weeks ago previously sold for $398,000 in 2015. So looks like 3b caught red handed datamining a distressed non-comparable situation to mislead njrereport readers.. Why so much hate, 3b?

  33. 3b says:

    Pumps you sniveling little weasel kiss my arse! I posted I was corrected. End of story. But you did skip over the 450k in 18 vs the 500k in 05. Yeah just ignore that. As for schools STFU!! I never said what you accuse me of. I said they are over rated and they are. Put your kid through the system before you actually earn the right to comment on them. Don’t attack me in a pathetic attempt to getting a blog friend. Now back to ignoring you.

  34. dentss dunnigan ... says:

    Got to love Murphy he wants to raise the sales tax but as far as when the exchange for the raise in gas tax …”that was a deal Christie made with the legislature it never should been made ” ….by the way the gas tax will be increased another 3c later in the year …

  35. grim says:

    So looks like 3b caught red handed datamining a distressed non-comparable situation to mislead njrereport readers.. Why so much hate, 3b?

    This comment is bubbilicious.

  36. dentss dunnigan says:

    More Winning …
    In major blow to organized labor, Supreme Court says public employee unions may not charge fees to nonmembers
    by Washington Post Staff June 27 at 10:05 AM

    The case has major implications for the future of organized labor, which has become a pillar of Democratic Party politics, and for the millions of workers in the nearly half of states that authorize payments from nonmembers to cover the cost of collective bargaining.

  37. grim says:

    Oh boy.

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    This is ridiculous. So someone that opts out of paying dues, still gets the same wages and benefits as paying members? Wtf? Opt out, but you should have to negotiate on your own for raises and benefits.

    This is nothing more than another attack on labor paid for by people like the Koch brothers who hate workers.

    Supreme Court Deals Blow To Government Unions – NPR
    https://apple.news/AGSZ7OfL-SuuyaxayNqVCBA

  39. grim says:

    There is already a lawsuit in South Jersey against the representation fees. Should be interesting to see this play out.

    https://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/06/teacher_sues_saying_she_shouldnt_be_forced_to_subs.html

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So selfish. Why would you cheer this on? I thought you were about making America great again…..oh that’s right, workers don’t count, only business owners and rich people. Got it!

    dentss dunnigan says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:11 am
    More Winning …
    In major blow to organized labor, Supreme Court says public employee unions may not charge fees to nonmembers
    by Washington Post Staff June 27 at 10:05 AM

  41. grim says:

    This is ridiculous. So someone that opts out of paying dues, still gets the same wages and benefits as paying members? Wtf? Opt out, but you should have to negotiate on your own for raises and benefits.

    The NJEA isn’t a Union, it’s a political action committee.

    Why should a Republican teacher be forced to pay money that will go towards supporting Democratic candidates?

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Who are these idiots? Are they real people? Why the hell would you shoot your own foot. I’m convinced some people are their own worst enemy. Can’t make this stuff up.

    Nah, you don’t need that union. It hurts you. Go ask all the non-union workers how they like their job, compensation, benefits, and retirement plan. F’en morons. How can people be this stupid?

    grim says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:19 am
    There is already a lawsuit in South Jersey against the representation fees. Should be interesting to see this play out.

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Do they want a good job? Well they better stop aligning themselves with a party hell bent on hurting the worker to help corporations.

    grim says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:22 am
    This is ridiculous. So someone that opts out of paying dues, still gets the same wages and benefits as paying members? Wtf? Opt out, but you should have to negotiate on your own for raises and benefits.

    The NJEA isn’t a Union, it’s a political action committee.

    Why should a Republican teacher be forced to pay money that will go towards supporting Democratic candidates?

  44. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Whatever you say. You make no sense sometimes.

    3b says:
    June 27, 2018 at 9:47 am
    Pumps you sniveling little weasel kiss my arse! I posted I was corrected. End of story. But you did skip over the 450k in 18 vs the 500k in 05. Yeah just ignore that. As for schools STFU!! I never said what you accuse me of. I said they are over rated and they are. Put your kid through the system before you actually earn the right to comment on them. Don’t attack me in a pathetic attempt to getting a blog friend. Now back to ignoring you.

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Btw, I’m not weasel pushing misleading trends in nj real estate. You are, and I only question why you push a false narrative about real estate and schools.

  46. The Great Pumpkin Hypocrite says:

    Thank you Supreme Court for your ruling.

    Take that Pumpkin.

  47. nwnj says:

    Bad day for corrupt dnc. Its income just imploded.

  48. Fast Eddie says:

    Go ask all the non-union workers how they like their job, compensation, benefits, and retirement plan.

    I’m good with it – very appreciative and thankful for the annual comp increase, bonus, flex schedule, benefits and 401K match. There’s no union and no government involvement which is why we’re successful and profitable. We produce something here. Everyone works and earns.

  49. William says:

    Here is another one. Sold for $729,000 in 2005 and again this month for $760,000

    http://www.njmls.com/listings/index.cfm?action=dsp.info&mlsnum=1800646&openhouse=true&dayssince=15&countysearch=false

  50. Fast Eddie says:

    Plus we have breakfast every morning (still chuckle over that one but the millennials seem to expect it… lol) and lunch twice per week.

  51. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Scott McNealy selling his Palo Alto mansion for $100 million.

    Pumps would say he’s an idiot for selling right before the big RE boom that’s coming to Silicon Valley and Wayne, NJ.

  52. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Hmmm…

    If my name was Pumps I’d be talking about my “call”.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 5, 2018 at 9:33 am
    Chi – Something I’m noticing under the main trend: REITs up, Financials falling? That seems like something you’d see in a falling rate environment, right? Is the market signaling equity weakness and bond strength ahead, at least for the US market?

  53. 1987 condo says:

    Supreme rules for Janus

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wow, just wow.

    What do you constantly hear on this board? People complaining about lack of raises, no pension, and horrible insurance. These same people complain about unions. See the problem?

    Fast Eddie says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:31 am
    Go ask all the non-union workers how they like their job, compensation, benefits, and retirement plan.

    I’m good with it – very appreciative and thankful for the annual comp increase, bonus, flex schedule, benefits and 401K match. There’s no union and no government involvement which is why we’re successful and profitable. We produce something here. Everyone works and earns.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And what exactly are you doing right now? Try making a call 5 years in advance.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:48 am
    Hmmm…

    If my name was Pumps I’d be talking about my “call”.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 5, 2018 at 9:33 am
    Chi – Something I’m noticing under the main trend: REITs up, Financials falling? That seems like something you’d see in a falling rate environment, right? Is the market signaling equity weakness and bond strength ahead, at least for the US market?

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I just don’t understand how regular working class people could be celebrating the demise of unions. Just blows my mind. And then these same people have the nerve to complain about lousy pay raises and working conditions in their place of employment. SMH.

  57. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Another “call” made mere days before the top. Not spot on (yet), but not too bad for 1/22/18, right?

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    January 22, 2018 at 2:59 pm
    ****Disclosure: Sheer conjecture on my part*****

    1. The US stock market will “correct”, as they say from maybe April until August or so.
    2. Dems will tout the end of the “Trump Economic Lie” during this period.
    3. The US stock market will turn back up in late August or early September.
    4. Dems get crushed in the mid-terms.
    5. More protests and violence isolated to cities that still want Hillary.

  58. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Try making a call 5 months in advance. When to sell and buy Pancake in a can futures?

    Hahahahahahahahhahahahahaha!

    Your best call is to have no more kids.

    And what exactly are you doing right now? Try making a call 5 years in advance.

  59. 30 year realtor says:

    William,

    Bergen County market is extremely divided. Not every town has appreciated at the same rate since the financial crisis. Most split I have ever seen in my 37 years as a licensed real estate broker/agent. Fort Lee and Tenafly have been far stronger markets than River Edge. Among the weakest markets in Bergen are Franklin Lakes and Upper Saddle River.

  60. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    The Best thing about Pumps is that he only happened into one kid before realizing the error in his ways…and his name will stop right there.

  61. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Deported Dad -> Dropout Dad -> nothing much

  62. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    end of the line

  63. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Pumps – Here’s my five year call:

    Platinum, Pasta, and Prius batteries will go up in nominal dollars. Also Hormel Chili.

    Idiot.

  64. 1987 says:

    Sorry for late post on Janus, I am in Caribbean on vacay and that sun is really brutal on my screen!! Lol!

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I was trying to ignore, but can’t hold back.

    You grew up in a much more forgiving economy than I did, and what did you have at 38? Yes, the guy you regularly put down has accomplished more than you…..so what does that say about you?

  66. 3b says:

    MLS 1825303 . Sold in 05@530k. Listed now at 549k.

    MLS 1810732. Sold in o8@350K. Listed now at 385k.

    MLS 1813432. Sold in 04@477K. Listed now at 489k.

    MLS 1804796. Sold in 04@602k. Listed now at 569k.

    MLS 1826683. Sold in 08@ 600k. Listed now at 620k.

    Blue ribbons train town only one on a busy street. If I get the notion I will post some sold listings that were below their sales prices in 04 through 08. If you bought in the last decade plus you are sucking wind in terms of appreciation even in a blue ribbon train town.

  67. leftwing says:

    “Try making a call 5 months in advance.”….”Platinum, Pasta, and Prius batteries will go up in nominal dollars. Also Hormel Chili.”

    Ex, seriously, why do you even try to reason with someone who believes a five year directional call after a huge move is easier than a five day, week, or month call, usually with actionable specificity?

    Or who is 40 years old and ‘invests’ in penny stocks, believes inflation is wealth building, and disucsses his wife’s s3xual skills on a public forum?

  68. leftwing says:

    “Bergen County market is extremely divided. Not every town has appreciated at the same rate since the financial crisis. Most split I have ever seen in my 37 years as a licensed real estate broker/agent.”

    Have some good anecdata on same I’ll post later. Need to get a few things done first. Weird RE market.

  69. not 31yrs RE says:

    If you look and look at brutal facts without prejudice.

    You see in parantheses.

    -Bergen County market is extremely divided. Not every town has appreciated at the same rate since the financial crisis. Most split I have ever seen in my 37 years as a licensed real estate broker/agent. Fort Lee and Tenafly (immigrant speculators) have been far stronger markets than River Edge (middle class). Among the weakest markets in Bergen are Franklin Lakes and Upper Saddle River (mid-management and professional class).

  70. leftwing says:

    And Ex, BTW, the PPP and Hormel comment was priceless lol.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Holy Christ!

    You and others called me an idiot at the time I made the calls. Now it happens, and it was an obvious easy call? Are you f’ing serious? All that heat I took, and you come up with bs like this.

    leftwing says:
    June 27, 2018 at 11:50 am
    “Try making a call 5 months in advance.”….”Platinum, Pasta, and Prius batteries will go up in nominal dollars. Also Hormel Chili.”

    Ex, seriously, why do you even try to reason with someone who believes a five year directional call after a huge move is easier than a five day, week, or month call, usually with actionable specificity?

    Or who is 40 years old and ‘invests’ in penny stocks, believes inflation is wealth building, and disucsses his wife’s s3xual skills on a public forum?

  72. D-FENS says:

    Wow Janus ruling…huge for NJ. NJEA spends millions on political causes, candidates, etc.

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Inflation itself is not wealth building, but understanding it and reacting to it is. Simpleton.

    I was 35 and played a penny and loss. God forbid!

    You clowns will try to call out anything on me to try and paint a negative picture of me. Cool!

    “Or who is 40 years old and ‘invests’ in penny stocks, believes inflation is wealth building, and disucsses his wife’s s3xual skills on a public forum?”

  74. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Doubt it has much of an impact. Paying union dues to njea is cheap insurance. You get access to their lawyers if something goes wrong. Why would you willingly waive this protection? You would have to be a combination of cheap and stupid.

    D-FENS says:
    June 27, 2018 at 12:17 pm
    Wow Janus ruling…huge for NJ. NJEA spends millions on political causes, candidates, etc.

  75. Hold my beer says:

    In college I once ate 4 pounds of canned chili on a dare. My roommates had to abandon our apartment for the rest of the day. I also cleared out the library and the mall.

  76. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And lefty, what is your definition of reasoning with someone? Expat does not reason with me, he trolls me on a regular basis out of pure jeolousy and hate.

  77. Yo! says:

    3b I’m just having fun. Interesting comments on Bergen. Seems like demand for huge homes miles from everything continues to shrink in far reaches of Bergen.

  78. Hold my beer says:

    I also ate a whole roasted garlic bulb to see what would happen. Garlic really does come out of your pores.

  79. chicagofinance says:

    These types of developments play right into Trump’s hands……

    A Crowley insider told Politico that the campaign of the 10-term incumbent — and would-be future speaker of the House — underestimated the electorate’s volatility.

    “About two weeks ago, three weeks ago, we had our last poll which had Joe up by about 35 points. So the electorate’s really volatile,” the insider said.
    “(The) Crowley campaign had a huge field program, but it’s still a district where Bernie [Sanders] got almost 45 percent of the vote. We took it seriously, I mean we spent $1.5 million on it. … It was a bloodletting of Washington Democrats.”

    Some analysts said the furor over President Trump’s immigration policy energized voters in the heavily Hispanic 14th Congressional District to go with the newcomer, who won easily with 57 percent of the vote to Crowley’s 42 percent.

    Last weekend, just days before the primary, Ocasio-Cortez left New York to join protests at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Texas.

    Ocasio-Cortez, a former organizer for Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign, ran on a sharply liberal agenda, including abolishing ICE and making Medicare a universal program.

    Crowley became just the third sitting member of Congress, and the first Democratic incumbent, to lose a primary this year — less than five months before the midterm elections.

    Before going down in flames, he was widely seen as a potential successor to Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.).

  80. Yo! says:

    Not 31yr, the Bergen divide is more about commute to NY jobs and proximity to other amenities than immigrant speculators.

  81. Hold my beer says:

    Germany eliminated from the World Cup. Germany has never been able to win on Russian soil.

  82. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    From the Janus decision, which I am very happy with.

    “Public unions are some of the most potent political forces in New Jersey, which is among the states with the highest proportion of public employees represented by unions — 63 percent, or nearly twice the national average. They spend millions each year on lobbying and campaign contributions while negotiating contracts and benefits on behalf of roughly 359,000 covered workers.”

    Hopefully now, unions in NJ will become less political and focus on their god-given right to organize and represent their members without paying off politicians.

  83. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    I thought Germany was the favorite. This World Cup has been fantastic for underdog lovers.

  84. 3b says:

    Yo no worries! And yes it appears that way and Wayne too!

  85. Leftwing says:

    Justice Kennedy retires.

    Pick number two for the red team.

    That alone is worth all the idiocy

  86. PumpkinFace says:

    Do you like your job?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:24 am
    Who are these idiots? Are they real people? Why the hell would you shoot your own foot. I’m convinced some people are their own worst enemy. Can’t make this stuff up.

    Nah, you don’t need that union. It hurts you. Go ask all the non-union workers how they like their job, compensation, benefits, and retirement plan. F’en morons. How can people be this stupid?

  87. JCer says:

    On Bergen real estate, Franklin Lakes and Upper Saddle river are taking it on the chin mostly because of weakness in the NJ job market. If you want to live in either of these places there is a good chance you are working in NJ not NYC. Great towns with good schools, nice lots and some nice housing but I think it more shows what bystander is saying about the job market. The ED to MD level jobs in the back office are evaporating, these are the people who take home 200k-700k and they are the ones buying 1m+ homes in North Jersey, other businesses are moving out of Jersey as well. When Mercedes leaves, when Reology moves staff the management positions leave as well and those are your FL and USR buyers. People fearing a job search need access to NYC job market and being closer to NYC and having access to the train are now must haves.

  88. JCer says:

    pumps should like his job, he somehow spends all day posting on this site and can still pay the property taxes on his highway residence……

  89. Grim says:

    Ginsberg better take her vitamins.

  90. Yome says:

    Justice Kennedy retiring giving Trimp to fill

  91. Fast Eddie says:

    Pick number two for the red team.

    What a day for the dems. First, the SC knocks down the Union extortion and now cements the SC in favor of the red team. More melting snowflakes!

  92. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, I’m not the one that complains about no raises and stagnant pay.

    PumpkinFace says:
    June 27, 2018 at 2:15 pm
    Do you like your job?

  93. JCer says:

    Between Ginsberg and Breyer there is at least a chance another justice get appointed in Trump’s term and that chance is much greater if he wins re-election in 2020. Democrats should be very angry with Ginsburg for not retiring during the Obama Administration.

  94. Fast Eddie says:

    Ginsberg is 85.

    Tick… tick… tick… tick…

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fast Eddie,

    You are cheering on the beat down of regular people by their corporate lords. You and your type are beyond lost. I really can’t comprehend why you would take such a position.

  96. Fast Eddie says:

    Elections have consequences

    Hussein Oblammy

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Can’t believe you guys are so happy about the Supreme Court becoming so one sided. Do you know how dangerous that is? So much for checks and balances, and open debates. The govt is slowly being hijacked by a political ideology that is not embraced by the majority of the population. Crazy times. Follow the money!

  98. JCer says:

    ginsberg is 85 but old Jewish ladies live forever. Breyer is 79, as a man he is more likely to experience health issues that may take him out.

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wtf happened to our country?

  100. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Funny, some people claim he is an evil social!st. What is so evil about this message? Seems pretty good to me, what is so evil?

    “To nobody’s surprise the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision, sided with big money interests and against the needs of working people. Make no mistake about it: this decision is a direct assault on working families all over America. What the Koch brothers and other billionaires understand is that if they can destroy the trade union movement in America, it will make it even more difficult for workers to earn decent wages and benefits. Further, as the political power of working people is diminished, it will be much easier for corporate America and the Trump Administration to dismantle Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Veterans Administration, the Postal Service, public education and virtually every law that has benefitted working people over the past 80 years. While today’s ruling is a major setback for working families, we must redouble our efforts to make it easier, not harder, to join a union. We cannot rebuild the disappearing middle class without revitalizing the trade union movement.” Bernie Sanders

  101. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    Is the roof on Pump’s roadside residence red?

  102. Bystander says:

    Jcer,

    Did I say the job market is not strong? Just today, I got a nice phone call from Indian gentleman who mispronounced my (common) first name and offered a great contract job in Augusta, ME. The only other company who seems even slightly interested (and willing to pay up) is one who wants me to outsource the rest of your m-fing jobs. My hope is that it is blump’s company. Ex Pat laughed at $60 hour but the most I am finding in $80 on W2 with zero benefits, vacation or 401k. That is for senior roles in NYC. In the burbs, you won’t even get $60. This economy is f-ed.

  103. nwnj says:

    Public sector unions shouldn’t exist period. They are a way for politicians to funnel money to special interests.

    For private unions, the biggest problem I see them facing is open borders promoted by democrats. Good luck making a conmforrable living with a never ending stream of third worlders.

  104. The Great Pumpkin Hypocrite says:

    Most people here are happy about it Pumkin. You are just too blind to understand this is what the people want. The majority want it.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    June 27, 2018 at 2:58 pm
    Can’t believe you guys are so happy about the Supreme Court becoming so one sided. Do you know how dangerous that is? So much for checks and balances, and open debates. The govt is slowly being hijacked by a political ideology that is not embraced by the majority of the population. Crazy times. Follow the money

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    Are you in a contract job now? Full time right now?

  106. D-FENS says:

    Schumer on the Senate floor asked to wait to confirm SC justice after the midterms.

  107. Juice Box says:

    Now it is two immigration bills that have failed to pass the house. Nobody has workable legislation to fix immigration.

  108. chicagofinance says:

    Aren’t you effectively lauding yourself here?

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 27, 2018 at 10:48 am
    Hmmm…

    If my name was Pumps I’d be talking about my “call”.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 5, 2018 at 9:33 am
    Chi – Something I’m noticing under the main trend: REITs up, Financials falling? That seems like something you’d see in a falling rate environment, right? Is the market signaling equity weakness and bond strength ahead, at least for the US market?

  109. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    I have no issue with the concept of a union organizing labor for a fair workplace. In NJ, the union collects a ton of money in fees and then pays the politician it likes most through endorsements in exchange for promises the state can’t afford. It’s hardly about an unfair work environment.

  110. Ex-Essex says:

    Anyone who has taught knows protection against incompetent administrators is worth its weight in gold. Education Admins are some of the worst people i’ve encountered.

  111. Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:

    If things were that bad for teachers in NJ, they would strike over their pension.

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The way I see it is simple. The Koch brothers type have effectively killed off unions by means of divide and conquer.

    They first concentrated on killing off private sector unions since they are not as strong as public unions. They then took a dump on non union workers compensation in the private sector. Taking away almost everything (pensions to raises, you name it). They knew the former private sector union workers, along with the non union private sector workers, would eventually turn on the public union workers out of spite and jeolousy (used human nature against one another).

    The plan is working perfectly. Ask yourself this? Who are the only workers that support unions now? Yes, only people that are union workers themselves. And the propaganda has become so strong, that even union members like our resident “blue ribbon teacher” have turned against the union. The key here, they have to be indoctrinated and support conservatism at all costs to be in this position. No non conservative teacher will go against the union that has done so much for them, it’s only the hardcore conservative teachers that act like the union is harming them and they are better off without it.

    This is an HONEST ANALYSIS of what’s happening with the labor movement. It has almost been crushed by the corporate lords.

    My question, how long before these corporate lords take up the title of kings. They already behave exactly like monarchs from the past. Trying to control every aspect of society and the economy for themselves. It’s crazy, we are going backwards at a rapid pace. All these rights we fought for in society and the workplace are being given back on the basis of conservative propaganda that is nothing more than a complete power grab.

    Is this really how we make America great again? What’s so great about this? SMH…

  113. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    One-sided, as in judges that actually read and understand The Constitution? You might want to put the word Originalist on your GED Summer study vocabulary list.

    Can’t believe you guys are so happy about the Supreme Court becoming so one sided

  114. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Yes. Yes, I am.

    Aren’t you effectively lauding yourself here?

  115. Not SmellyPumkin says:

    Pumpkin, I differ with you on what took down private union.
    RICO did the damage, than politics and ideology followed up.

    There is no way that WalMart, Target and Amazon would not be unionized like Caldor and Kmart used to be if the Mob was still powerful.

    Walmart and Koch Bros can have lawyers and lobbyist, but they mean nothing when they are in the hospital or in a ditch.

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yes, and why haven’t the millions of worjers getting killed right now striking?

    I have an idea. The conservative propaganda has taken over society to the point where if you strike, you are a greedy worker. Only greedy people come together and strike. It’s so sad. We have indirectly given up our rights to protest when it comes to labor. They didn’t even need to make a law, they just brainwashed people into thinking that coming together to protest labor issues is a very bad thing…..simply amazing.

    Libturd, AKA Dr. Howie Feltersnatch says:
    June 27, 2018 at 4:28 pm
    If things were that bad for teachers in NJ, they would strike over their pension.

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sounds about right to me.

    It’s just crazy that the word union has become taboo in an era where people are constantly crying about their work compensation. Makes absolutely no sense. You got no raise, but in the same sentence, unions suck.

    Not SmellyPumkin says:
    June 27, 2018 at 4:43 pm
    Pumpkin, I differ with you on what took down private union.
    RICO did the damage, than politics and ideology followed up.

    There is no way that WalMart, Target and Amazon would not be unionized like Caldor and Kmart used to be if the Mob was still powerful.

    Walmart and Koch Bros can have lawyers and lobbyist, but they mean nothing when they are in the hospital or in a ditch.

  118. Ex-Essex says:

    4:28 I think the feeling right now re: pensions is that the checks are still coming. Easy enough. When/if they stop they’ll be a human outcry…

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The constitution is only words. There is no difinitive meaning behind them. The words are simply an interpretation based on an individual’s bias.

    Why is it that you are so happy that you have conservative bias interpreting the constitution now?

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 27, 2018 at 4:36 pm
    One-sided, as in judges that actually read and understand The Constitution? You might want to put the word Originalist on your GED Summer study vocabulary list.

  120. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Right to bear arms.

    What does that mean to a conservative? What does it mean to a moderate? What does it mean to a liberal?

  121. Yo! says:

    https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/nj_dems_offer_tax_on_shore_rentals_home_sales_in_b.html

    Sweeney wants to slap 2% transfer fee on $1m + home sales.

    Parsippany-based Pinnacle Foods selling out to ConAgra. All the top Pinnacle execs will be whacked. I checked and the top execs all earn total comp of $1m+ and own big N.J. homes, mostly in Morris County. These homes will hit the market sooner or later, and the pool buyers is unlikely to be people taking newly created $1m jobs in Parsippany.

  122. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Like your posts?

    The constitution is only words. There is no difinitive meaning behind them.

  123. No One says:

    No words have any definite meaning to a pumpkin-head. Which is why he jabbers on forever.

  124. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Blah blah blah…go read a book made by a Russian women explaining how the only people that matter in this world are producers.

  125. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Honestly,

    Hope the whole economy crashes and burns.

    I’ll survive. I want to see how all these producers do when everyone starts from the same starting line. Bring it!

  126. Grim says:

    Democrats come up with 2 more new taxes:

    Expanding the sales tax to include short-term property rentals. Rentals of fewer than 90 days would be taxed at 6.625 percent.

    A doubling of the Realty Transfer Fee. Homeowners selling properties at $1 million or more would pay 2 percent rather than 1 percent on the sale.

  127. Grim says:

    Democrats hate the shore.

  128. Leftwing says:

    Liberal blogosphere absolutely on fire today.

    The world is ending and they are eating each other alive. “Are you Bernie supporters happy, was it worth it”. Lol.

    NYT comments section priceless.

  129. Leftwing says:

    In two days the dems may shut down portions of the shore…

    Don’t know which visual is worse, Christie or mr Byrnes in a swim suit. Betcha Phil wears a man thong

  130. Grim says:

    NJ should do something clever like tax spam emails.

  131. ex-Essex says:

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to the profession of Teaching. My guess is that once the Union benefits of job security and tenure are whittled away, the pensions either gone or discontinued for new hires, you will see a whole new approach to finding teachers and paying them as little as possible. Unless of course you are in a good area and the schools are expected and required to excel. The the admins will climb all over themselves to find the best people. Ending tenure for administrators will be the best move and the whole house of cards will fall once that ends.

  132. ex-Essex says:

    Currently the Profession of teaching is not about your kid, but about maintaining the ‘status quo’ of the good ol’ days. The past 30 years have seen administrators retiring with six figure pensions. Some teachers with say 30 plus years also, but living that long and being a teacher don’t seem to go hand-in-hand. Lots of obesity and bad eating habits when you spend your day with kids.

  133. Grim says:

    Don’t you mean ending tenure for teachers is the best move?

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    One of the most ignorant headlines by Forbes in its history. Why do states with unionized teachers have significantly better educational outcomes for students than right to work states? This is a perfect example of conservative propaganda towards labor.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattpatterson/2018/06/27/teachers-unions-face-a-deserved-reckoning-from-the-supreme-court/?utm_source=FBPAGE&utm_medium=social&utm_content=1622300175&utm_campaign=sprinklrForbesMainFB#407525e224df

  135. Grim says:

    This is jersey, you’ll see a second teachers union formed to represent conservative and republican educators.

    Don’t for one second think that someone will let good dues go unpaid.

  136. Gobsmacked says:

    Pumpndump, ever heard of The Federalist Papers?

  137. 3b says:

    FB on fire between SCOTUS ruling and retirement of Kennedy. Most people have n the private sector are indifferent or hostile to unions as the private sector eliminated them. Now these same people are asked to support state unions with their tax dollars for security and benefits long gone in the private sector. It’s as simple as you that.

  138. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Maybe this is a clue, aside from your severe educational deficiencies, as to why no one like you. Self interest. You talk about “the cost of society”, but you really just want some dumber f.ucks to repair your sewer line at no cost to you.

    You should probably go into politics, Pumps. You’d meet lots of people like yourself. Dumb and narcissistic.

    Honestly,

    Hope the whole economy crashes and burns.

    I’ll survive.

  139. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    grim – I proposed something similar a zillion years ago, not to a legislative body, of course. Forget spam, I’d tax all emails at 1 cent per.

    NJ should do something clever like tax spam emails.

  140. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    And tax all text messages at 10 cents each. Do you know how many lives that would save on the roadway?

  141. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Are you describing your idol…trump?

    “You should probably go into politics, Pumps. You’d meet lots of people like yourself. Dumb and narcissistic.”

  142. Bystander says:

    Eddie,

    You trying to help a brother out? I am neither right as of two weeks ago. I was full time at last job for 4 years but originally 1099 contract for 2 years before they hired me. Let’s just say my daily rate had a 9 handle on it. I know both sides of the coin. Today, you will find almost exclusively W-2 and hourly rate quotes. Recruiters have the audacity to quote $70/hr and mention there is a “benefits” package. I have them send it over first for my review. Last week, I saw they offered medical at $375 for family HDP. I misread it first and thought it was monthly. I was like “great”. I looked again and saw they were quoting per week! I was floored. The girl said “yes, we don’t cover much of premium” There was no vacation and only access to 401k, no real match. I asked the guy to raise hourly rate based on nearly zero benefits in the “benefits” package. Never heard back. Welcome to the new world. It was not this way years ago for skilled professionals. There is no leverage at all.

  143. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    My idol is Dr. Howie Feltersnatch

    Are you describing your idol…trump?

  144. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    BTW Pumps, when it comes to guys younger than me, with contrary opinions to me, that I respect and love listening to…Well, let’s say I have a very high bar:

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?428062-4/washington-journal-daniel-krauthammer-discusses-debate-nationalism

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The sewer issue has always been that they changed the rules mid game because they didn’t have the balls to raise taxes. So they knowingly know only a small percentage of the city population will get hit with this problem in a given year….meaning, give a few homeowners a 12,500 bill as opposed to giving everyone a slight increase in their tax bill. God bless the people living pay check to pay check when they get hit with this bill that should have been paid collectively as opposed to individually.

    It was always paid for collectively, don’t change the rules because you don’t have the balls to raise taxes.

    That’s why I admire Murphy, he has the balls to tell you like it is. He knows you have to raise taxes and isn’t lying about it. If you think we can just starting cutting everything and not take down our state economy, you are insane. And his progressive ideas are all just investments in this state and the middle class.

  146. Ex-Essex says:

    5:46 tenure has been dismantled thanks to new ratings system. Granted there are hoops to jump through, but if enough people want you gone then the mechanism to override Tenure is there.

  147. Ex-Essex says:

    What you will see are mass retirements in education without any indication of where the qualified replacements are coming from.

  148. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Let me see, 1998

    Hot girlfriend, no kids
    Big house in Long Island
    Gardener that showed up twice a week paid from my $110/hour consulting gig.
    4 cars ’72 El Camino, ’77 Camaro, Chevy SUV, Mustang convertible
    Attended lots of Yankees games, including both rounds of playoffs and World Series.
    Dinners in NYC often, on the company.
    Summer Weekends on the South Shore or Newport
    Ski condo for four weeks that year.

    Yeah, if I was smart I would have had a snot-nosed kid, a huge mortgage and tax bill, and live on a highway by that age. You win Pumps.

    You grew up in a much more forgiving economy than I did, and what did you have at 38?

  149. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    Also, late 1998 – moved to an oceanfront townhouse in North Hampton, NH. Broken sewer lines were far from my mind at 38.

  150. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    BTW, full boat benefits, including fully funded matching 401(K) with my consulting gig, and not a single car loan for any of our four cars.

  151. Ex-Essex says:

    Hey I gotta pension I can tap at 60 if you guys are kind enough to find the darn thing.

  152. Ex-Essex says:

    “Fund” not find

  153. joyce says:

    Find makes more sense.

  154. joyce says:

    38 in ‘98? You’re really old.

    The Original NJ ExPat says:
    June 27, 2018 at 8:47 pm
    Also, late 1998 – moved to an oceanfront townhouse in North Hampton, NH. Broken sewer lines were far from my mind at 38.

  155. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The mechanism hasn’t changed much. But no one gets fired because admin are too lazy to carry out the process over 2 years.

  156. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – like I told you before, I’m not exchanging naked pictures with you. Try Pumps.

    38 in ‘98? You’re really old.

  157. joyce says:

    I’ll take that as confirmation.

    By the way, you get phenomenal internet access on your flip phone. It’s remarkable. I hope the hipsters don’t notice. Flip phones might become cool again.

    It’s either that or you spend the entire day on the internet via laptop/tablet/smart phone. I’m not sure, it’s tough to figure out. Maybe your senior self is a millennial at heart. You’re so old you’re retro?

  158. The Original NJ ExPat says:

    joyce – something down there is in a sailor’s knot once again, methinks.

    I’ve stated many times that I carry a flip phone for voice only, I enjoy a free service from my provider whereby they block all texts, including yours. If anyone needs me, they call me and talk to me. Like I’ve told you before, it’s an exclusive list. Your application is denied. Sorry. Try Pumps.

  159. leftwing says:

    Ocasio Cortez a boon to Repubs.

    They don’t and won’t put a dime in that district. Like most of NYC the primary winner is the general winner. Bluest of blue.

    Good for Repubs since aside from unseating a powerful long term Dem she is a self proclaimed soc1alist.

    The midterms are going to be all about bright line ideology and turnout.

    The Dems tossing out their senior members in favor of electing soc1alists can be used to motivate the most reticent Repub……

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