Married – House – Kids – No More

From HousingWire:

Harvard: First-time homebuyers are changing

The profile of first-time homebuyers in the U.S. is changing, according to researchers at the Joint Center for Housing Studies at Harvard University.

In a paper titled “The Shifting Profile of First-Time Homebuyers: 1997-2017,” researchers found that in the past 20 years, there has been a significant shift from married households to never-married households among first-time homebuyers. To examine trends in this group of homebuyers, researchers used the 1997-2017 American Housing Surveys

The 2017 AHS suggests that first-time homebuyers purchased approximately 1.8 million housing units in 2016, making up approximately 1.5% of U.S. households that year. 

“While discussions of first-time home buying often tie homeownership entry to life-stage changes like marriage and the birth of a first child, a growing share of first-time homebuyers do not fit this profile,” the paper stated. 

According to AHS, 35% of first-time homebuyers in 2017 had never been married, compared to 23% twenty years prior. Married homebuyers made up 61% of the first-time homebuyers in 1997 and declined to 46% in 2013. But, that percentage increased over the next three years, hitting 52% in 2017. 

“These trends suggest that there may be a fundamental shift in the way that young households are approaching first-time home purchases, such as an increased willingness to purchase homes individually or with unmarried partners,” the paper explained. 

“Because the trends in marital status are not mirrored by similarly-large shifts in the age distribution of first-time homebuyers, it is unlikely that they are driven by demographic shifts like decisions to delay marriage and childbirth until later ages,” the paper continued. 

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120 Responses to Married – House – Kids – No More

  1. dentss dunnigan says:

    First ….

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    Attitudes and what is considering normal fluctuates. There was a time when marriage made sense because life expectancy was lower than the present. If 1850, if you lived until you were 40, you lived a good life so marriage was, shall we say, tolerable? ;) Today, we have more of a portable way of seeing things thus, home buying becomes a business partnership

  3. abeiz says:

    I can’t believe someone at Nomura, or whichever bank it was, gets paid to comment on “similar” chart patterns. I wants that gig.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    I’m a bit curious… do they play any music at the MTV awards or is it a bunch of props, lip-syncing and choreographed tedium?

  5. chicagofinance says:

    ahhhh…. a refreshing later summer day….. almost feels like spring….

  6. Bystander says:


    The year 2000 bug did not destroy computers or airplanes, it destroyed music. There is a documentary on fall of Tower records. Pretty amazing how quickly things changed. I miss Tower as resource for great music. Sure, they ripped you off for poo CD but I rarely bought CDs, unless 5.99 bargain bin. Still have $5 remaster of Kind of Blue in rotation from that 1997 purchase. Amazing album. Liner notes are all about Duane Allman’s infatution with album.

  7. Fast Eddie says:


    Seriously, wtf happened to music? Who’s the new guitar God? I wouldn’t even think of watching that shit last night? Who’s listening to this stuff called music? It’s not a generational thing, we’re all wild children for life… lol… we’re not our parents and we never will be. What I’m saying is that we’re open to anything new but… there’s NOTHING new! I think it’s all underground, nothing mainstream anymore.

  8. D-FENS says:

    They’re still out there. Just not something you’ll ever see on MTV

  9. joyce says:

    Attitudes and what is considering normal fluctuates.

  10. Walking bye says:

    I’m taking it that none of you guys were at the stone pony last night to see the Jonas brothers perform on mtv?

  11. Joe says:

    Autotune can work wonders.

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    Yes, Joyce. It’s considered normal but the music currently s.ucks. Let’s root for fluctuation.

  13. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:


    Second, loved the Hoodoo Gurus and that was a great tune.

    Third, there’s some really amazing things being done with EDM. It reminds me a bit of the late 60s and 70s when synths were first introduced into the mainstream. All the creativity is there. Though the Lady Gaga’s and the Sia’s can really sing, there’s not much creativity in pop right now. And the hip-hop/rap movement is just so so bad right now. Check out Marshmellow, Tiesto, Deadmou5 and Skrillex. If you don’t get it, then you’re just a fuddy duddy. Don’t worry. My dad still thinks everything that doesn’t sound like Englebert Humperdink or Frank Sinatra is garbage.

  14. ExEssex says:

    3:25 hahahaha oh looooord(e)

  15. ExEssex says:

    A thoughtful conversation about music begins with the death of grunge.

  16. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Grunge was cool because it was garage band music. Though, it was way too depressing.

  17. Tuesday ExEssec says:

    A thoughtful conversation about music begins with the death of grunge.

    The music genre’s generational leaders tended to be depressives liked opiods too much.
    Same for Disco – Liked too much happy fun and AIDS got them.
    Same for Rock era – Liked all the experimental new chemicals to take and overdose.
    For the early rock era – they liked too much alcohol and loved driving cars loaded or having pilots flight while loaded.
    For god’s sake, go back far enough and poor Beethoven was deaf because of all that earwax and that crazy absinthe driven night when they dare for him to hide something!.

    Worry not, the millenials and Z Gens music stars are too much of ADHD/ADD will be done in by their phones.

  18. ExEssex says:

    Today’s music is elevator music for dipshits.
    Any kid brought up “right” sees this right away and knows it sucks.

  19. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Music died a slow death from about 1998 to 2003. There were a few bright spots during that period. Once we got to around 2008, it’s been complete trash ever since. Kinda sad since I think 1950 to 2000 produce endless amount of quality music of all kinds of genres.

    If you want a gem…here’s something that accidentally popped up on my youtube the other day. Hiroshi Suzuki….a japanese jazz band from the 70s. Never heard of it. This album is absolutely incredible.

  20. chicagofinance says:

    Here is thoughtful music…..

    ExEssex says:
    August 27, 2019 at 5:02 pm
    A thoughtful conversation about music begins with the death of grunge.

  21. Chicago says:

    As a product of NYC public schools, I am outraged.

    Stunningly pathetic.

  22. Bystander says:

    Agree with D. Have not watched MTV in 25 years but bands are out there, just harder to find. The beauty of today is that you must perform to survive. I am about a decade behind most albums. I figure it takes that long to let some breathing room to occur from hype and awards. I saw Cage the Elephant (opening for Beck) a week or so back and while not my norm genre, I thought they were outstanding live. You can still be surprised energy of performance vs album. More effort put into the shows today. CTE has been on scene for like 8 years so new to me, old to others..

  23. Fast Eddie says:


    CTE has been on scene for like 8 years so new to me, old to others..

    Youtube has me discovering bands, styles, concerts and music like I’ve never imagined. There is so much great stuff out there over the course of the past 50 years that it’s staggering. I have to think the current generation is discovering it all because whatever passes for mainstream music today is God awful!

  24. crushednjmillenial says:

    I believe that I heard Fairfield was cut off from the outside world by flood waters for a time during Hurricane Sandy. Anyone from that area know what happened there during Sandy?

    I ask because a developer built some new townhomes ( this year and I am surprised by this. I would imagine anyone who was here during Sandy would not be looking to buy a home in Fairfield. On the other hand, Hoboken prices keeping marching upward . . .

  25. GdBlsU45 says:

    Progressives destroy, it is their nature. They destroy to gain power. Of course it will not raise the scores of children in parentless home but the progressives will destroy the system and lower standards for all so they will consider it a win.

  26. abeiz says:

    As a alumni of the specialized high schools, I have taken a particular interest in proposed reforms to break down “bottlnecks” to diversity and attended multiple neighborhood referendums on the matter. The SHSAT is possibly the last bastion of meritocracy left in this country. What Caranza/DeBlasio are doing is a complete riot and s-show.

    The student body comprised of different ethnicities but given the influx of asian immigration in the last decade, has trended almost exclusively asian since.

    I’ve given thought to whether I would have made the cutoff given what I perceive to be stiff competition as of late, but in the end I realized that the vibe in that building – love of and desire to educate oneself – should be reserved for the top of the heap only.

    BTW, Caranza is paid somewhere south of $400K (pensioned at that amount too). He asked for almost double the compensation they offered him at first pass and they bent over. This guy weaponized race and is a cancer upon the system.

  27. JCer says:

    Chi, this is what you get with communists…..No concern with providing opportunities for merit, hard work or innate intelligence. Everyone will suffer together. What they do in education mirrors how a communist government works. Separating those who are keen to learn and work hard is the only way, the lowest common denominator dictates otherwise. In their attempts for “fairness” they actually deprive people of all races and backgrounds of opportunity, it’s madness. Blowing up the system does nothing but bring the high performers back into the regular system, it does not help the kids in the regular classes and deprives the high performers.

  28. chicagofinance says:

    The improvement in NYC is so tenuous. I am disappointed that so many in the city have only a passing interest in preventing the whole place from tipping back into the abyss.

  29. joyce says:

    Indictments of workers mount after the Mississippi immigration raids, but no employers have been charged

  30. D-FENS says:

    They’ll just move to Jersey

  31. Juice Box says:

    NYC spends 25 billion a year on their 1.1 million students, $19k a student nearly double the national average. You could double that again and barely move the needle on test scores in my opinion. Seems the solution here was written by a quant who used to work on MBS. Flatten it out by spreading the risk around in the schools and don’t measure by eliminating any real testing. One big pile of mediocrity packaged as AAA school system. All districts are great, all schools are great, all teachers are great, all students are great. There is no divergence amougst the “great” student body.

  32. Juice Box says:

    Joyce -In the absence of real new there is always FAKE NEWS.

    The law needs to be changed. The Department of Labor files files lawsuits and reaches settlement agreements with these employers. ICE can and does arrest employers. ICE arrested 72 “managers” in the 2018 fiscal year.

    As far as prosecution the law is key here you have to “knowingly” hire. Therein lies the problem, there needs to be a lengthy investigation and paper trail to prove it, the Feds cannot make their case then they won’t bother perusing the charge.

    More info.


  33. chicagofinance says:

    You were barely out of your teens when you wrote “I hope I die before I get old” in “My Generation.” What would 1965 Pete say if he was told you’d still be doing this in your 70s?

    1965 Pete was a bit of a c–t, to be honest. I don’t really care what he would say to me.

    Do you feel any sort of kinship with a band like the Rolling Stones who are still out there playing stadium shows in their 70s?

    Of course. They are friends. They are my favorite band.

    Did you ever get sick of doing your signature guitar move, “the windmill”?

    Of course not. It’s the one thing I can do that makes people cheer. Even playing the occasional blinding guitar solo doesn’t do that anymore. There are 10-year old kids on YouTube who can shred better than me. But no one can windmill like me. Is that sad? Do I look silly? Do I give a f–k?

  34. 3b says:

    NYC is already starting to fray . I see it everyday.

  35. Bystander says:

    I welcome back Kojak NYC. That would be sweet. Place is too damn safe these days. A line of peep shops should chase away the drives of people clogging Times Square daily. I hated getting out of PA when I commuted there.

  36. Juice Box says:

    Baretta was a better show.

  37. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    My older son had a very tough tournament this weekend. I’m not one to blame the refs and my son is as clean a player as they come (unlike his dad), but the officiating in this showcase was just awful. His team did pretty well regardless, but look at this mess. (hopefully it’s viewable)

    On the opening shift of the second game, my son checked an opponent who lowered his head and got a game misconduct for it. I know he has a responsibility to avoid a head hit, but this kid lowered his head for no reason and it was too late for my son to back off. So we missed the rest of that game and the whole next one. Both wins. He still has to serve an NJYHL game too. My son averages ten minutes in penalties a season. This makes absolutely no sense. None the less, nothing I can do about it. It just sucks paying $300 for a hotel and driving 150 miles to watch your son’s teammates play.

  38. abeiz says:

    one of the main arguments to tearing down these “walls” is that non-white and non-asian students don’t have the same resources to properly prepare for the exam. Which is complete horse shyt.

    I came off the boat in ’89. A few years later I got a $49.98 Wiley test prep book and was told that I need to pass the test or the belt would come off (so I passed the test). Resources in the form of test-prep centers existed, I just didn’t use them.

    The whole premise and argument is so obviously flawed that it can only shock the conscience.

  39. Libturd, still in Union, mainly on Thursdays, wasn't me in Walmart says:

    “Of course it will not raise the scores of children in parentless home ”

    At least the Dems aren’t hell bent on increasing the number of parentless homes by preventing abortions.

  40. Libturd, still in Union, mainly on Thursdays, wasn't me in Walmart says:

    Found the supposed head shot. Definitely a terrible call.

    Slow video down to .25 speed. You’ll see the kid literally crouched down.

  41. D-FENS says:

    There’s an entire genre of music called post grunge rock. Most are inspired by groups of that era.

  42. Charlesvaf says:

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  43. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Leftwing. What do you think of the game misconduct hit? Keep in mind, it’s about 30 seconds into the game and no shenanigans had occurred prior.

    I need a second opinion to avoid personal bias.

  44. Bystander says:

    Is music not a direct result of main drugs + level of anger in era? LSD in 60s led to peacenik exploratory protest rock. Cocaine of 70s led to short, aggressive punk style. 80s heroine led to comatose, angry grunge scene. It seems like happy Molly dosing has led to EDM. Not enough anger with the millennials. Happy drugs are not helping music scene.

  45. Charlesvaf says:

    Once on the fringe of having an NFL career, Kearse has become an established starter in Seattle’s offense. In the Seahawks’ opening loss at St. Louis, Kearse was Wilson’s favorite target with a career-high eight receptions and 10 targets.
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    “It’s about actions,” he said. “It’s about being accountable and doing what I’m going to say.”
    The NFL’s previous deal for this area was with IMG.
    Luck rallied the Colts from 17 points down in the fourth quarter, but his third interception of the game in overtime set up Graham Gano’s game-winning 52-yard field goal.

  46. chicagofinance says:

    he Microsoft Word document, titled ‘NY Negative Statements,’ is a reminder of how the company and the city were ill-suited

    By Jimmy Vielkind and Katie Honan

    Updated Aug. 28, 2019 11:56 am ET

    When Amazon scrubbed plans to build a second headquarters in New York City earlier this year, the reason appeared rooted in a debate about unions, tax subsidies and housing costs.

    Then there was the burn book.

    In a private dossier kept at the time, whose existence has gone previously unreported, Amazon executives cataloged in minute detail the insults they saw coming from New York politicians and labor leaders, according to a copy viewed by The Wall Street Journal.

    By late January, Amazon executives had been pummeled at two public hearings. The burn book, which was kept in a Microsoft Word document called “NY Negative Statements,” had separate sections for a half-dozen politicians and officials who had gone from thorns in the company’s side to formidable opponents of a deal that now looked to be in jeopardy.

    The document recorded how opponents mocked the helipad Amazon planned to build, pushed the Twitter hashtag #scamazon, and brought up the company’s work for the federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a sore spot among some Amazon employees. It was an eight-page, bullet-pointed, Calibri font testimony to Amazon’s sensitivities.

    New York City Councilman Jimmy Van Bramer, whose district included Amazon’s planned campus, griped he was kept in the dark about a major development in his own backyard. He couldn’t understand why the city and state weren’t responding more vociferously to his anti-HQ2 campaign.

    “We were punching, and no one was punching back,” Mr. Van Bramer recalled in an interview.

    Even if the company wasn’t swinging, it was keeping notes.

    One of the first entries in Amazon’s burn book went to state Sen. Mike Gianaris, another Democrat whose district included the planned campus. He and Mr. Van Bramer had signed a letter in 2017 expressing general support for the project, but a year on were having concerns.

    The tax subsidies—up to $3 billion in total from the city and state—struck them as excessive. Some residents in their districts worried the campus would lead to rising rents and labor leaders were concerned about the company’s union stances. Also worrying the two men, the districts they represented were shifting leftward, and wooing a giant company could hurt them with progressive groups.

    “We were not elected to serve as Amazon drones,” Mr. Gianaris wrote in a joint statement sent with Mr. Van Bramer before the deal was even officially announced. That went in the book.

    The longest section was for Mr. Gianaris, with 25 entries. Near the end of the doomed deal he was appointed to the Public Authorities Control Board, an obscure but powerful position that gave him effective veto power over some of the proposed subsidies, a big part of Amazon’s decision to choose New York.

  47. chicagofinance says:

    They didn’t know it, but Amazon executives had stumbled into a political minefield. The united front that Messrs. Cuomo and De Blasio had presented in wooing Amazon to New York was starting to fray.

    Since Mr. De Blasio had taken office in 2014, the pair had squabbled over everything from tax policy to whether to euthanize an errant deer. By late 2018, what each stood to gain politically from Amazon’s arrival had diverged.

    Mr. Cuomo saw the Amazon HQ2 campus as a historic deal that could bring as many as 40,000 jobs and make New York an East Coast answer to Silicon Valley’s tech hub.

    Mr. De Blasio, weighing a presidential bid he would eventually launch in May, was eager to protect his reputation as a working-class ally. He had criticized Amazon’s opposition to unions and once said he was proud he had never shopped on the site, but he supported the plan and the jobs it would bring. He never made it into the burn book.

    In late January, Holly Sullivan, the head of world-wide development at Amazon, returned to Washington, D.C., where she and some colleagues dined with executives from JBG Smith, the real-estate firm managing the Arlington County site where Amazon was planning the other site of its split second headquarters.

    A JBG Smith official remarked that Amazon’s team looked like it had come from a war zone. “How much more space can we get in Virginia?” one of the Amazon executives joked.

    Two weeks later, Ms. Sullivan and other members of the site-selection team huddled to assess their options. Mr. Bezos and other senior Amazon executives dialed in from Seattle.

    The team laid out the growing list of headaches in New York: the City Council grilling, pressure from labor unions, a steady drumbeat of public protests and Mr. Gianaris’ nomination to the PACB.

    “It was clear there was an intraparty power struggle,” Brian Huseman, a vice president for public policy at Amazon, said in an interview. “We thought we would prevail, but had to question whether it was worth getting in the middle of it.”

    The discussion on the conference call moved from whether to ditch New York to how. Even the company’s closest allies didn’t grasp the depth of its concern.

    On Feb. 13, Mr. Cuomo brokered a meeting between Amazon and labor leaders including Mr. Appelbaum, who was quoted eight times in the burn book. The governor exhorted Mr. Appelbaum in a text message that evening to “get the deal done.” Yet on Valentine’s Day, at an early-morning meeting of top political aides, residents, local leaders and company officials, Amazon’s team conversed politely, even thought they knew the company was pulling out.

    Shortly before 11 a.m., Mr. Cuomo received a call. Amazon public-affairs chief Jay Carney was on the line. The deal was off.

    “What do you need to fix this?” Mr. Cuomo asked multiple times, according to a person who heard the call.

    Mr. Carney begged off and tried a few numbers he had for the mayor. He was eventually patched through. Mr. de Blasio was shocked and said the company’s decision didn’t make sense, according to a person who heard the call.

    Mr. Cuomo kept calling contacts at the company after the Valentine’s Day breakup. He suggested alternative sites in the city and asked whether Amazon’s separate expansion in west Midtown, which will eventually bring 5,000 jobs, could somehow be rebranded as a second headquarters, according to people familiar with the conversations. A spokesman for Mr. Cuomo said he called the company but didn’t suggest alternative sites.

    He wasn’t in the burn book, but it didn’t make any difference.

  48. chicagofinance says:

    Stuart Appelbaum, president of the Retail, Wh0lesale and Department Store Union, had his own chapter in Amazon’s d0ssier. Among the notations was a speech to a shivering crowd of union members in late January: “It’s a cold day in New York,” he had said, “but not as cold as Jeff Bezos ’ heart.”

    The burn book got a boost after a December hearing on the project gave the first public sign that opposition was more widespread than Amazon and its allies had thought. Two company executives sat stone-faced as demonstrators unfurled a banner from the balcony of the New York City Council chamber.

    Amazon executives felt betrayed. Their lobbyists had wrung a promise the night before from aides to City Council Speaker Corey Johnson that the hearings would be respectful and focused on the project, not politics. The burn book grew.

  49. chicagofinance says:

    what is wrong with the word “wh0lesale”?

  50. GdBlsU45 says:

    Turd, you know the twisted thing about progressives being both open borders and pro abortion at the same time, you could easily surmise they value someone else’s children above their own, who they are willing to exterminate. No wonder they say call it a mental disease.

  51. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Speaking of mental disease. You must have one to both think of this and then to be willing to say it.

    How’s that wall going? Last I checked, no new wall has been built?

  52. Fast Eddie says:

    You must have one to both think of this and then to be willing to say it.

    Why? Because it’s true?

    As for the wall, the Supreme Court overturned a lower court injunction just a few weeks ago, freeing up $2,500,000,000 for the wall project. There’s another $4,500,000,000 in the works.

  53. joyce says:

    “The work on his hallmark campaign promise involves mostly replacement fencing…”

  54. leftwing says:

    Lib, can’t tell from the camera angle….

    Can say the quality of officiating in the District has dropped dramatically and this statement comes from someone who supports the officials, their pay increases, their Head Official, etc strongly….late summer tournament game doesn’t help either (thinner pool).

    Also, USAH emphasis is totally on ‘non-intimidation’. Even the term ‘finish your check’ is now taboo, as it (in USAH’s interpretation) implies hitting to ‘intimidate’ an opponent.

    Banging the boards after a legal hit is now intimidation and will be a bench penalty, watch for that one during the season.

    USAH and its executives are incented top to bottom to increase membership. Less physical play = more membership and more retention. Within five years, certainly ten, body checking will be gone from the youth game. IIRC, removing checking at Bantam level was voted on (down) at the national meeting this year. It’s coming.

    BTW, as a non-league game there should be no additional NJYHL suspension. That only occurs from a timing issue, ie. he gets a GM in a League game and his next game is NL. In that case he needs to sit next game (NL) to satisfy the USAH rule and the next League game to satisfy the NJYHL rule. GM in NL should mean he just sits the next game, regardless of NL or L, to satisfy USAH.

  55. ExEssex says:

    I think the era of 1972 – 1981 was probably the “best” for me as far as diverse artistry and offerings from geniuses. Where you sat and waited for the next album. Today with electronic recording and computer and such you have a literal cacophony of bands littering the airwaves. It’s so decentralized that technology gives everyone a platform, yet unless you are relentless and know people with good musical taste, you may never ‘hear’ these artists. Again it varies. genX gave us grunge and hiphop and both have been huge.
    But yeah technology coupled with the Boomer’s footprint, pretty much meant we hate the break the mold a bit and watch it all crumble. Before we can rebuild it.

  56. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Thanks Left. We play in 2 leagues. This was an EPJL game. I think they called the suspension right. None the less, a great learning experience for all. BTW, I am against board hitting through Bantam, though think open ice hits should be allowed.

  57. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    And all of the wall has been rebuilding what already exists. No new construction.

    Utter and complete waste of tax dollars.

  58. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    You would think the Red Team would know fake news by now.

  59. D-FENS says:


    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:
    August 28, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    And all of the wall has been rebuilding what already exists. No new construction.

    Utter and complete waste of tax dollars.

  60. chicagofinance says:

    Where is the fcuking guts to go out with stuff like this?

  61. grim says:

    Just like I said…

    Lawmakers and state officials had speculated that a gas tax increase could be announced in August, due to the heightened popularity of electric hybrid vehicles leading to a continuing decline in sales which would prompt the gas tax to continually increase.

    That reasoning has led to some lawmakers, such as Assemblywoman Patricia Egan Jones, D-5th District, to push for a “road user fee” that would be levied against anyone who drives on New Jersey’s roads.

    “We’ve heard from a lot of folks with electric vehicles, plus we have the hybrids who are reducing how much gallons people buy. We are definitely going to be addressing how they use the roads. And isn’t a gas tax a user fee?” Egan Jones, who services as vice-chair of the Assembly Transportation and Independent Authorities Committee, said at a Woodbridge event hosted by the Commerce and Industry Association of New Jersey in March.

  62. Juice Box says:

    F-king politicaians. It’s not taxable income elasticity aka the Laffer curve but electric cars. As of June 2019, there are 26,840 electric vehicles registered in New Jersey out of 3.0 million cars.

    Then there are people like me who work a few days from home thanks to work life nonsense.

  63. Juice Box says:

    Even if every electric driver in NJ was actually paying the tax on 20 gallons of gas a week that tax that would be only 13 million in lost receipts max.

  64. joyce says:

    Doorbell-camera firm Ring partners with 400 police forces, including in N.J., to extend surveillance reach

  65. Young Buck says:

    And how does this make you fee, Joyce?

    joyce says:
    August 29, 2019 at 9:28 am

    Doorbell-camera firm Ring partners with 400 police forces, including in N.J., to extend surveillance reach

  66. grim says:

    Hybrids and electrics don’t cover the losses, sorry.

    For every new electric on the road, there are likely 4 new SUVs.

  67. grim says:

    NJ EV Market Share

    2016 – 0.67%
    2017 – 0.91%
    2018 – 1.59%

  68. grim says:

    We’re talking about less than a 1% increase in EV market share in NJ since the gas tax was raised.

  69. Fast Eddie says:

    New fencing is going up along the border and the fencing they’re replacing is like knocking down an old shack and building a new house. The old “barriers” were like walking over a curb compared to the 30 foot steel barriers replacing it. Deny it all you want, he’s doing what he said he’d do unlike the weaklings on the left who will throw a drowning person a life preserver and leave the other end untied.

  70. grim says:

    Gas Tax Revenue Collections NJ
    2016 – $554.5m
    2017 – $532.9m
    2018 – $512.5m
    2019 – $500.7m (est)

    The increase in EVs does not remotely account for this.

  71. grim says:

    Maybe $7m of the $50m decline can be attributed to newly purchased EVs/Hybrids.

  72. 30 year realtor, weakling, anti business, baby killer, freak, disloyal says:

    People who think = weaklings? People who believe in science = anti business? People who believe in separation of church and state = baby killers? People who believe love is love = freaks? Jews that don’t vote for Trump = disloyal?

    If this is how you view the world then I am a weakling, anti business, baby killer, freak!

  73. joyce says:

    I think it’s bad and only the tip of the iceberg. It’s astounding to me that the rubber stamp warrant process is too burdensome for law enforcement.

  74. Liberal can’t think says:
  75. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    And this is what separates the Trump followers who are completely fine with deceit and lies as long as it fits their narrative. Like some foolish Trumpster spreadsheet is proof of anything. Did you read it? Did you see how little was done? Did you see that the vast majority is strengthening current sections? Do you have a clue about geography? Do you think the “huge” gaps, which are currently unfenced, will somehow miraculously be ignored by those desperate to escape the sh1thole which is most of Central America north of Costa Rica? Are you aware that the current cost to simply patrol the wall is now up to 4.8 billion a year (from Homeland Security estimate)? It is truly stupefying how FACTS mean nothing to those who want things to be true really badly. It’s mind numbing just thinking about what a huge waste of money trying to secure a 700 mile border would be against a threat that doesn’t exist and couldn’t be stopped even if it did.

    Could you only imagine how much cheaper it would be to process immigrants in an organized fashion then it is to play paintball for dollars?

    And what a complete waste of money it will end up being when the Dems get back in power and rip it all down.

    It is absolutely incredible the constant lies that come out of the mouths of Trump and his supporters. Their strategy, like that of a 4 year old, is to just repeat lies over and over and over until they even start to believe them themselves.

    I recently saw a tweet where Mikie Sherrill, my favorite Dem, is being targeted by the RNP. Every single tweet is followed by the most asinine untruthful lies by moron Trumpsters who think they are patriots, when at best, they are compulsive liars, like their idiot in chief. I feel terrible for Mikie. You finally have a politician who is a true patriot. She doesn’t sugar coat anything and votes her conscience. Heck, she did not even vote for Pelosi, which is really, really ballsy for a Freshmen. And she has to read these crude, borderline psychopathic Tweets from the dumbest, most unintelligent and hateful Trump morons (to put it nicely) undeservedly. Mikie does not represent the AOCs or the far Left. She is truly a uniter and sharp as a tack. She is exactly what this country needs to survive and she has to spend her time defending herself from the lies of morons. I truly feel for this country. It is simply inhumane.

    And Gary, How do you have no issue with Trump ignoring the congress when everytime Obama tried an end around, it was the end of the fckin’ world? So hypocritical. And lord knows the money is going to be tied up in continued appeals. But it doesn’t matter when it involves Trump. He ALWAYS gets a pass.

    I can’t wait for this damn recession to take hold. Even if it means Biden the coproate bozo wins. At least it will signal the end of the Revolution of the Stupid.

    Fake News. Fake President.

  76. Juice Box says:

    Did they send the B-2 from Missouri to deal with Dorian yet? CAT 4 strength in Northern Florida.

  77. JCer says:

    30 yr, it’s not thinking it is paralysis, it’s bureaucracy for the point of bureaucracy. It’s not church and state separation, if you don’t think pro-choice has gone to far there is something off, it needs to be available and safe but it should be a last resort and late term should only be in the event of danger to the mother’s health. Most of the western world is more restrictive than the US is in these regards. It’s a human life, if it can live outside the mother you shouldn’t be allowed to flippantly terminate it, that seems pretty clear. Like all issues it goes to far, early on the development is such I have much less issue terminating. There is also a valid argument that LBGTQ is being taken too far, it is ok, it can be accepted, those people have rights but it is an adult issue and it certainly isn’t a “good” thing and we have to be careful as the ask is not for acceptance and rights but actually special privilege at this point.

    Darth Cheeto is bad news and I disagree with how he conducts himself and how he paints his opposition but it doesn’t change the fact that the left is worthy of rebuke and there is some validity to his rants.

  78. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    And here come the triggered comments. For sure. Because name calling is all you’ve got left when you back up an argument with any facts.

    Jesus, I sound like Pumps.

  79. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Is it murder to terminate a rapists’ child?

    I can euthanize my dog, but I can’t destroy an unborn child in the first term who has a 90% chance of being born a vegetable.

    Yeah, it has nothing to due with the church.

    Do you like regulation? Or do you hate it? Or are you only for it when it supports your views?

    And if you want to argue about the rest of the world. Then nationalize health insurance already.

    Government should have no right to tell a woman what she can and can’t do with her body.

    Overturning Roe V. Wade would be the end of the Republican Party anyhow. Because deep down inside, NEARLY everyone knows that it sounds great until it’s YOU, with the unwanted pregnancy.

  80. Stop lying says:

    Just like all the Russia lies you libtards tell?

    It is absolutely incredible the constant lies that come out of the mouths of Trump and his supporters. Their strategy, like that of a 4 year old, is to just repeat lies over and over and over until they even start to believe them themselves.

  81. chicagofinance says:

    Looks like the most basic form of price discovery/equilibrium with LONG-RUN supply/demand curves……. give actors in the marketplace a chance to adjust in the long-run, and they will……barring restrictions….

    grim says:
    August 29, 2019 at 10:45 am
    Gas Tax Revenue Collections NJ
    2016 – $554.5m
    2017 – $532.9m
    2018 – $512.5m
    2019 – $500.7m (est)

    The increase in EVs does not remotely account for this.

  82. chicagofinance says:

    Did you see the new Chappelle Netflix Streaming special? Very uneven, but the good stuff is as good as it gets…… point of note….. he devote a chunk of time to a LGBTQ, and (assuming it was not staged), a phone rings right in the middle of it interrupting the show. Again, assuming it was not staged, it is just another example of the overt fascism the left expects as we conduct ourselves in a free society. They think they own all discourse, and act as if they have the moral authority to control society. Not all that different than the right in many ways, except for the aggression and the fascism…. of course examples can be found on the right, but tends to be more laissez faire, because you will have to settle with G-d in the end.

    JCer says:
    August 29, 2019 at 12:17 pm
    There is also a valid argument that LBGTQ is being taken too far, it is ok, it can be accepted, those people have rights but it is an adult issue and it certainly isn’t a “good” thing and we have to be careful as the ask is not for acceptance and rights but actually special privilege at this point.

  83. D-FENS says:

    New car gets 38mpg highway mileage and I work from home a few days a week now.

  84. Juice Box says:

    Simple truth is the all lie.

    Tard you are the one that says he is headed to Costa Rica to retire, do you really think it’s different there?

    So what is the immigration policy there? My understanding is people from those other shite holes can only come on a RESTRICTED VISA. You don’t need one why should they?

    Lots and lots of border security stories in Costa Rica can be found. It seems their policies are very very restrictive unless well you are a rich American.

  85. Fast Eddie says:


  86. 3b says:

    I find the left to be far bigger hypocrites in many respects than those who say they are on the right. I don’t like either side. And they are both destroying this country.

  87. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    “Tard you are the one that says he is headed to Costa Rica to retire, do you really think it’s different there?”

    Come on now. People want to come to America for the opportunity it presents. Not so much opportunity in Costa Rica, which by the way has the lowest number of emigres of any Central American country.

    As for the Russian thing, I never believed there was collusion, though it was obvious they infiltrated social media in favor of Trump. Not sure why, nor do I care why!

    Sadly, a lot of really dumb Americans bit. Though, another Clinton administration would probably have been rather lame as well.

    Listen, there is lots and lots of liberal policies I can’t stand. But I’m a thinking man and pick and choose which policies I support. Lord knows, I agree with a lot of you when it comes to the giveaways. But this wall! It was hardly an issue before the election, Trump probably brought demand forward for immigrants who actually believed in the farce of closed border, and the more America improves, the greater the demand for and energy and risk immigrants are willing to take will increase. How’d the war on drugs go?

    And it’s funny. If you listen to the complete BS right wing news, every democrat thinks the sky is falling, Sharia Law will be implemented tomorrow and the end of procreation is just around the corner. Every mass shooting is justified by the dumb gang shootings that occur in Chicago daily. And AOC is next in line for the throne. Come on now. None of these are even major issues on any of the real candidates platforms. But fake news only applies to anything knocking Trump.

  88. Bystander says:

    Failed, Ed. You blindly support Dumpy ;>)

  89. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Both side suck. I agree. Gotta kill the lobbyists first. Then build from there. Will never happen. Pura Vida a much better life. Can’t come soon enough. Probably 5 years away. You can all visit my pad to see for yourself anytime you want as I don’t hold grudges. That is if you are not afraid of Latinos like half the pussies that post here.

  90. Juice Box says:

    Fake news is just another a weapon in the war to win.

  91. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    I’ll even pick you up at the airport for free. Liberia that is. I can’t find my way to San Jose.

  92. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Fake news is today’s propaganda.

  93. JCer says:

    Lib, we likely agree more than disagree. Roe vs Wade should not go anywhere and any sane republican knows a repeal is a disaster and the resolution of the issue will cost them votes, hence why they want to beat that dead horse for the next 100 years. I think you’ll find there is middle ground and that is where most of us live. Terminating a little developed clump of cells is one thing, terminating a child who will be born deformed or chronically ill with no quality of life is one thing, terminating a child to safe the life of the mother or other fetus is one thing and terminating a child because they are unwanted when they have developed anatomical form is another. There are very few circumstances when late term is acceptable and quite frankly it isn’t covered under Roe vs. Wade(health circumstances are, unwanted children terminated after 20 weeks it could be argued aren’t covered by Roe vs. Wade decision).

    I identify with Libertarians but also realize what they propose isn’t 100% realistic. I view most issues through the sphere of individuals rights and a disdain for bureaucracy which only gets worse the further up in government you get(Hence why my belief is unless it must be administered at a federal level it should not be). There need to laws and regulations but they also need to be more clear cut and easier to understand and administer, the net effect of so much government regulation has been to shut out smaller enterprises. Both sides manipulate the laws for their constituency(which isn’t actually people it’s rather corporations and the tremendously wealthy).

    The republicons and the democrooks are two sides of the same coin. They co-opt issues to get votes and never want to resolve them. For dems it’s race, LBGQT, labor rights and for the repubs it’s the abortion issue, gun rights, immigration etc. Both serve corporate masters first and foremost. Very few Americans really fall into either group but they use these issues to divide to get support hence the issues are never resolved.

    Even on Immigration I don’t have such a hard line the folks here hustling, making their own way are a net positive, we should have a guest worker program and we should put a framework in place to legally bring in needed labor so that it is above board and those people are not exploited. The biggest issue in Immigration legal or otherwise is how it is used to exploit the labor force. That being said we are country of laws and we cannot selectively enforce and change things without going through the proper channels(both repubs and dems like to ignore law using the courts and the executive branch which is wrong).

  94. 30 year realtor who loves this country says:

    The rhetoric and name calling need to stop. What happened to decorum and diplomacy? It is just embarrassing. If you aren’t embarrassed by this administration than something is wrong.

  95. chicagofinance says:

    I think it is obviously why Russia infiltrated social media for Trump. Russia is a global has-been….. it will forever have to live down its diminished place in the future. It must be so humbling to desperately need to suck up to China in 2019, when China could barely catch their attention 50 years ago. As we have discussed, the best way forward for Russia is to diminish its competitors in any way possible, since they have no way to bridge the gap. They must merely manage their decline into emptiness….. they are the northeast Ohio of Europe & Asia.

    What better way to diminish the world’s superpower than place an unqualified hack to function as a pure spanner in the works. I don’t think that everything has worked out well for them in this scenario. However, it was the best choice of many bad options.

    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:
    August 29, 2019 at 1:35 pm
    As for the Russian thing, I never believed there was collusion, though it was obvious they infiltrated social media in favor of Trump. Not sure why, nor do I care why!

  96. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Decorum went out the window the moment Trump decided to treat the white house like the kindergarten playground. The nicknames for everyone sadly, was just the tip of the iceberg.

  97. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    Well they are back at it again. And the stupid names for their sites. It’s worse than the names the telemarketers come up with to try to fake you into answering the phone. Worse yet, lots of Trumpsters take these fabricated stories at face value and spread them around like their inbred semen.

  98. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t recall who it was making this comment that I will paraphrase, but essentially it was a conservative commentator who said he wouldn’t vote for Trump in 2016, but will vote for him in 2020. It being questioned on the inconsistency and potential hypocrisy, the commentator responded that he did not want the societal and political damage that would be caused by a Trump Presidency in 2016, but now….. it’s done and there is no going back…. it made his decision for 2020 clear cut.

    30 year realtor who loves this country says:
    August 29, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    The rhetoric and name calling need to stop. What happened to decorum and diplomacy? It is just embarrassing. If you aren’t embarrassed by this administration than something is wrong.

  99. Bystander says:

    How is gun control going? Looks to me that noise is dying down and we will again go nowhere on even simple, logical things. Dumpy is a real promise keeper. How is FoxConn, visa reform and “the greatest healthcare plan ever” turning out?

    People here never shut up about Solyndra, and while a bad Obama move, where is FoxConn outrage? Dumpy was there for groundbreaking and now FauxNews is quiet.

    Should FoxConn drain Great Lakes?

    ..But the deal violates the spirit of the compact, which describes the basin’s waters as “precious public natural resources shared and held in trust by the States.” While straddling communities can receive Great Lakes water that is “used solely for public water supply purposes,” this new diversion is aimed at a single industrial customer. Seventy percent of the water that Racine delivers to Mount Pleasant will go to Foxconn. The deal not only removes water from the Great Lakes; it also privatizes it.

    There’s a twist to this story. After the DNR approved the diversion, Foxconn dramatically reduced the scope of its plant. But its water allotment is unchanged. Taxpayer dollars are already paying for expanded infrastructure. As a steward of the Great Lakes, Wisconsin should proportionally scale back Foxconn’s diversion. One Taipei-based analyst estimates that Foxconn’s new plans require only 1.4 million gallons a day, rather than 7 million.

  100. MrDecorum says:

    Nonsense! Decorum actually went out the window the minute Bill Clinton stepped foot in the White House, and proceeded to turn the Oval Office into romper room — you remember Monica, right?

    Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:
    August 29, 2019 at 2:11 pm
    Decorum went out the window the moment Trump decided to treat the white house like the kindergarten playground…

  101. Juice Box says:

    Bill and Donald both love McDonalds and cheating on their wives.

  102. Bystander says:

    I think if Monica had just been just a pron star, all would have been accepted.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Bystander in the Oval Office made it subject to the independent council. Frankly Donald had it easy. Ken Starr investigated for 6 long years and the FBI for a few more years.

    Best part of the story is when the FBI director at the time Louis Freeh, a
    revelation that came out from his book.


    “The problem was with Bill Clinton, the scandals and rumored scandals, the incubating ones and the dying ones never ended. Whatever moral compass the president was consulting was leading him in the wrong direction. His closets were full of skeletons just waiting to burst out.”

    Freeh says he was preoccupied for eight years with multiple investigations, including Whitewater, Jennifer Flowers and the Monica Lewinsky affair.

    He found it deeply awkward and frustrating to be constantly investigating his boss and says it became ‘theater of the absurd’ when special prosecutor Ken Starr asked him to get a DNA sample from the president to compare with that notorious stain on Lewinsky’s dress.

    Freeh says the entire scenario of getting a blood sample from the president was like a bad movie.

    “Well, we went over to the White House. We did it very carefully, very confidentially,” remembers Freeh. The president was attending a scheduled dinner and pretended he had to go to the bathroom. Instead, Clinton went to a room where the FBI had people waiting to take his blood.”

  104. Trump 2020 says:

    Trump will win in 2020. No winning cigar for the Demonrats.

  105. Libturd, still in Union, mainly on Thursdays, wasn't me in Walmart says:

    Not if the recession happens and it looks more and more like this is the case.

    Plus, his corporate welfare failed miserably, regardless of what HE says about. I’d advise you to ignore everything else that comes out of his big mouth as well.

  106. 3b says:

    Lib I don’t like Trump he is an embarrassment and that’s being kind. I don’t like the Democrats either. But I just don’t see recession on the horizon.

  107. Bystander says:

    Let’s face it. Trump has the easiest 3 years of presidency in my lifetime. He inherited solid and growing economy based on Fed’s bailout, super low unemployment, no wars, no castraphic natural disasters (no, Harvey was not Sandy nor BP oil spill). Obama had all these problems and still managed to pass Dodd Frank and ACA. In life, Orange clown always gets a free pass to third base.

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  109. Libturd, seen crazy things done with ping pong balls. says:

    ULTA down 22% in after hours.

    Retail is dead.

    Always a boost in defense before bottom falls out.

    Though, I would fully expect Trump to punish the middle class again with more corporate welfare to at least juice the market a little while longer.

  110. NJ 11 says:


    Sherrill even more impressive in person. Very bright & dedicated and no drama. She draws a partisan crowd to her town halls and there have been chants of impeach etc but she never responds or otherwise takes the bait. In the last one, she even said there are people in her district that are happy with some things potus has done. She remains above the fray. Very mission driven. I’ll bet her pay sans taxes doesn’t even cover her incremental expenses the office places on her: DC apartment, child care in NJ (4 young kids), likely someone to cook and clean (husband works on WS). Who knows, she may decide it’s not worth it and not seek re-election. BTW – read the intercept about Amazon fires, Blackstone McConnell et all.

    PS- Sherrill also said congressional healthcare has $2k deductible per person, Rx coverage poor and no ER coverage so she had to pay $5k ER bill for kid.


  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Americans Pushed to the Suburbs as City Prices Soar Out of Reach

    The suburbs are back.
    For most of the past five years, homebuyers in the U.S. have flocked to vibrant sections of cities where they can walk to a grocery store, restaurants and shops. But new data from Redfin Corp. show that soaring home prices are starting to pump the brakes on that trend, because people simply can’t afford to live in places where they don’t need a car.”

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:


    I said this how many times? Market balances itself overtime. Laugh at my call for Wayne as a value, but understand I’m pretty damn good at understanding how markets work.

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