C19 Open Discussion Week 11

From Science:

T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity

Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses.

“This is encouraging data,” says virologist Angela Rasmussen of Columbia University. Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.

The results suggest “one reason that a large chunk of the population may be able to deal with the virus is that we may have some small residual immunity from our exposure to common cold viruses,” says viral immunologist Steven Varga of the University of Iowa. However, neither of the studies attempted to establish that people with crossreactivity don’t become as ill from COVID-19.

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149 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 11

  1. homeboken says:


    Fyi – Biden will not be the Dem nominee. Happy MDW!

  2. Fast Eddie says:

    There were a little over 400 cases in all of NJ yesterday. We’ve crossed the vertex of the parabola so why is everything is still locked down?

  3. Hold my beer says:

    Cause you live in a nanny state

  4. dentss dunnigan says:

    More likely Murphy is a asshole …

  5. D-FENS says:

    Everyone in Democratic states is getting a little taste of authoritarianism. Oddly some people like it.

  6. 30 year realtor says:

    All of you who want to lay bets against Biden being the nominee, bring it on. I will take all your action. If the bet is different than being the nominee, explain your proposition and I make take that too. This isn’t about politics, the odds are just too good to pass up!

  7. Juice Box says:

    400 new cases? Antibody or PCR?

  8. 3b says:

    30 year I believe there is a 50 percent or better chance he steps down . He is embarrassing himself and his party . His latest comment which is incredibly racist shows how clueless he is. Two candidates, one deranged, and one who if he does not have dementia, is an old fool.

  9. Phoenix says:

    Either way, America is going to get the president it deserves, and it’s children are going to pay the price.

  10. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Agreed. Two bad the people can’t see it.

  11. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Everyone in Democratic states is getting a little taste of authoritarianism. Oddly some people like it.

    They love it as they sit at home collecting paychecks or in my older sisters case, an unemployment check that amounted to a raise.

  12. homeboken says:

    My biggest problem with Biden is that his entire campaign is based on “restoring the soul of America”. He is running a character based campaign, not an issue based platform. That’s fine of course, except you want to run on character you better be ready to defend against character attacks. Biden regularly destroys his own character in interviews. He’s a mess.

  13. Fast Eddie says:

    In food store, everything is stocked. I mean everything.

  14. 30 year realtor says:

    Biden’s character based campaign is against Donald Trump. It is not a matter of whether Biden has perfect character, it is a matter of comparison. Want to discuss inappropriate sexual behavior? How about corruption? Children taking advantage of their father’s position? In all categories, no matter Biden’s sins, he looks like a choir boy in comparison to Trump.

    You people reference Trump doing attack adds against Biden. Just wait until the Bloomberg media machine starts cranking out the attacks on Trump. It will be a scorched earth add campaign.

  15. 3b says:

    30 No arguments there. But that’s all the Democrats could come up with is Biden?? Does not say much about the Democrats does it?

  16. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    biden is decrepit but I wouldn’t count on what he said in that interview being a gaffe. Likely calculated. If he can’t whip up racial animosity he’s done. Hillary couldn’t do it and she lost.

  17. Phoenix says:

    “In food store, everything is stocked. I mean everything.”

    Troglodytes can only consume so much no matter how hard they try.

  18. Bystander says:

    Genius wife decided to paint rocks on our brick patio yesterday. Used acrylic paint. How f-ed am I? It is dried. Any pro tips? I tried scrubbing with acetone but still blotches.

  19. Hold my beer says:


    Power washer maybe?

  20. leftwing says:

    “There were a little over 400 cases in all of NJ yesterday. We’ve crossed the vertex of the parabola so why is everything is still locked down?”

    For some reason I still can’t seem to search this blog effectively so I don’t know my exact start date but almost positive it was pre-housing crisis meaning I’ve been here well over a decade. Raised two boys in that time who are now in college. Stated from my earliest days here an overriding political philosophy that I taught to my children that is proven repeatedly.

    Why are we still locked down?

    Liberals want to control your life and take your money. They usually attain one by effecting the other.

    Go back to our discussion the other day where I commented on the background and attitudes of those who study to go into government. I went to university with some of the “best and brightest” of that crowd. Their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors would scare the living sh1t out of you.

    Lib called me a government ‘wonk’ the other day. I can’t hold a candle to that crowd. They spent decades of their lives gaming philosophies of “perfect” government and scenarios exactly like C19. Everything they have studied, every philosophy or policy they want to try to prove or disprove over their studies and careers is always on paper. Crises give them the ball with 30 seconds on the clock and inches to go. C19 is their fcuking Superbowl. It’s what they’ve trained for their entire lives and where they want to be. In control to test and implement policies. They don’t see economics, laws, the judiciary, logic or reason, businesses, or you. They are Brady, this is their game day, and they don’t even hear you, the 75,000 paying fans in the stadium.

    In related news, they have now granted you the ability to have 10 people in your backyard.

    Because, y’know, that couldn’t have happened two weeks ago nor does it need to wait for another two weeks.

    Micromanagement of power and control. The common factor. Always among these types.

  21. leftwing says:

    For anyone on the Biden bet – and I’m serious – my measure is that he is topping the ticket on Nov 3. Not just nominated in June.

    Separately, an on the ground economic observation…there was some discussion of real estate moving like crazy….add autos. My recent graduate shopped for his first new car over the last ten days (different times, I didn’t get one until years into my career). Picked it up yesterday.

    Dealer lots are fcuking crazy, and not just because of the midweek ‘opening’ last Wednesday (most dealers still won’t let you in showroom). New vehicles are flying out the door. Manufacturers discounts have a lot to do with it, but still. Wow.

  22. homeboken says:

    I really enjoy the Dems going full body shaming now.

    Nancy – calls Trump morbidly obese.
    Carville – repeatedly says Trump is gonna get “his fat ass beat”.

    The change in their tone indicates to me that they are a bit nervous bit also it can’t resonate with their base. The progressives seem to value individualism in life style very highly. Fat shaming seems beneath them.

  23. homeboken says:

    By the way – u am not defending Trump and his name calling. He started it for sure. But the Dems allowed themselves to be dragged into the mud with him now.

    Again – tough to sell me on character while engaging in the same behavioral/physical attacks.

  24. leftwing says:

    From the convention (late August) onward is going to be a brawl.

    So many variables with huge range of outcomes. And this is not just a regular election. These two sides – Parties, candidates, and voters – despise eachother.

    The positive news, will make for great volatility in the markets.

  25. Bystander says:


    Tried..faint blotches still there.

  26. Fast Eddie says:


    Great write-up above! I was asking about the lock down in a rhetorical sense. The liberals are going to get ass-f.ucked real bad. Walking through the store and looking at everyone wearing these masks feels like some mind-control, zombie sci-fi movie. I’ll give it a few more weeks and then I’m going mask-free commando. If anyone says anything or wants to call the cops, I’ll wait where I am and let them arrest me.

  27. leftwing says:

    Home, I saw 30’s argument above on Biden winning on comparative character. Wasn’t going to engage because I realize and respect people have different prisms through which they view candidates.

    I’d hold my nose on the character to not have Dem control of WH and House.

    I suggest many of the swing voters who will determine this election have the same view. Biden will not win them over on “I’m less of a leech than him”.

    Plus if the Dems are going to trade punches on character they need to be careful…DJT transgressions are old news, every Biden tidbit is new news….

    And, lastly, on Bloomberg his financial maneuvering behind the scenes used to scare me. He showed his effectiveness when he dumped $250m on fairly successful anti-gun efforts. Problem now, I’d argue his wildly unsuccessful run has neutered him.

    The aborted run took him out of the shadows and placed a spotlight on him and his background. Any ‘support’ from him to PACs for Biden very well may not help Biden…here’s how it will be spun in the living rooms that matter (and for the record just to be clear I personally disavow this view)…”Bloomberg was behind that ad? Isn’t he that rich jewish banker that tried to buy the election? What, he was Democratic mayor of new York CITY too? He’s trying to buy the election for Biden now? F that…”

    The guy dropped $500m (an absolutely unheard of amount in a primary) on a handful of states and topped out at third place in any of them, winning none.

  28. Fast Eddie says:


    Muriatic acid?

  29. Hold my beer says:


    9 more guys and a keg of beer?

  30. ExEssex says:

    Power washer. No paint can survive it. Just be careful you don’t launch the rock 100′ in the air.

  31. SundayBoomer BeGone says:

    Leftwing & FastEddie,

    Maybe, your observations are full of it. As someone inside the nuclear reactor, here are my musings. They might be a bit off as I’m on 6 out 8 straight 12 hour days (one day off for reset for last 2 months or so. Figure by August will go back to my regular tempo. Yeap, making big dough, and did get the hang of shopping at a warehouse club late at night and 2 carts in 45 minutes every 3-4 weeks.

    As virus patients have died off and no new ones are coming in, we now have a bit more disinfectant peroxide, bleach, alcohol chemical based towelettes to wipe stuff off ( they are the equivalent of cigarettes in prison in an ICU ) Who but tards republicans and democrats free market boomers could have sent the chemical factories that make these products to China. Hell is not like you could take cotton or paper towels and soap them off – but there are none. Because an orange Hoover and his crony finds it more important for his buddies and allies to make money off this then to actual do something right. These facts are covered up by “health heroes propaganda”

    The decrease in activity is allowing breaks, restocking and planning for the inevitable waves/flares up that will follow. Reviews of what works/ did not work is happening all over. Well known reliable ventilators brands turned into the equivalent of Boeing 737MAX. Suppliers, staff, managers that came thru and others that left you hanging. Accounts are being settled.

    If you get it make sure you do humidification and deep breathing exercise and cough up during the first week. If the second week pneumonia gets you and end up with silent hypoxia which causes lung and other organ injuries creating a chain reaction downhill, by the time of intubation damage is done and kidneys/fluid control goes out the window days later and within a week you gained 20-30 lbs of fluids and everything is failing.

    So yes, I need a break. But hopefully, some of that billions that the Federal Reserve is putting out for Wall Street would go into making stuff, here. Stuff like Level C Haz Mat respirators, continual mist disinfectants, a/c window size hepa filters negative pressure units.

    Yep, is going to be expensive. Not every hospital is going to be like Hackensack, whose benefactor happen to be the biggest NJ State road contractor and had the know how, equipment, and manpower to convert a basement cafeteria and warehouse into a massive multi ward stage and treatment area over 3 days.

    It will require big thinking and government to do it. But, yes tard locust boomers don’t believe in it, unless is their Medicare and Social Security

  32. crushednjmillenial says:

    SundayBoomer Be Gone . . .

    any other treatment tips for someone who catches Covid?

    any treatment standing out as effective in the hospital, but which is not standard procedure around the whole country/world?

  33. Fast Eddie says:

    Sunday boomer,

    What line of work do you do? What’s your occupation?

  34. leftwing says:

    “Who but tards republicans and democrats free market boomers could have sent the chemical factories that make these products to China…”

    SBBG…I’m on record totally agreeing that the stripping of US industry, technology, and IP will, with historical hindsight, demonstrate us to be the stupidest empire that ever existed. Over millennia, those empires that had it all lost it to war and aggressors. We freaking gave it away willingly for free. Actually, we invited our sworn enemies to just take it.

    Where we may differ…It’s not the Orange idiot’s fault, this dismantling began more than a generation ago and for the most part is at least midway through the cycle. And, from political philosophies, it was driven by an unholy alliance between absolutist free traders on the Right and globalists on the Left. Ironic, literally the one policy on which these two polar opposite camps agree resulted in the dismantling of US industry.

    This issue is personal for me…recall all SX’s postings of houses yesterday in decimated flyover areas like Elmira…There used to be industrial might in these areas that has turned not to recession but to abject poverty and addiction. The smallish city nearest my parent’s hometown…easily six major international manufacturing plants….GE, Westinghouse, Lockheed, Chicago Pneumatic (Danaher), etc. The next closest (minor) city, easily ten or more. Today? Zero. Abandoned and crumbling. Literally ruins.

    And you wonder why when politicians want to “fix” something my first reaction is to curb stomp them? I’ve seen the results of these idiots’ handiwork up close and personal. And it’s not pretty.

  35. joyce says:

    Why wait? Go for it now.

    Fast Eddie says:
    May 24, 2020 at 1:08 pm

    I’ll give it a few more weeks and then I’m going mask-free commando. If anyone says anything or wants to call the cops, I’ll wait where I am and let them arrest me.

  36. SundayBoomer BeGone says:

    I’m a respiratory therapist.

    There’s no exact treatment tip once on the ventilator – 2nd week plus. It becomes a futile whack -a-mole situation. Because the damage is not in the actual air sacs inside the lung, is in the interstitial tissue that is fluid swollen, so gas exchange is reduced.

    The first week is key. Think car engine without oil and filter. That is what happens to the lungs in the first week. Virus kills off surfactant producing cells (oil) and the ciliary cells (hairy cells that move secretions out of the lung). This is why you get the dry cough, your body is trying to cough it out – but the mechanism that helps it is not working, here is where you need to act – humidification, deep breathing exercise – look up cystic fibrosis breathing exercises.

    Dead cells and other waste remains behind blocking the alveoli (air sacs), reducing oxygen in blood and slowly causing damage to lung and other organs. By the time you become aware, a lot of damage has been done. Your body’s response normally work, but when a lot of the homeostatic system has been damaged, it just piles up (aka the notorious cytokine storm), the most problematic is the electrolyte imbalance and fluid overload from kidney damage. You’ll be surprise to learn that a lot of the patients that die, are already technically brain dead because of low oxygen and low blood pressure levels for extended times. Low blood pressure because of fluid overload and low level of oxygen in blood and high stress causes heart tissue damage. It really is like a Rube Goldberg machine till death.

  37. joyce says:

    From the write up, my guess is Lion Tamer.

    Fast Eddie says:
    May 24, 2020 at 2:45 pm
    Sunday boomer,

    What line of work do you do? What’s your occupation?

  38. SundayBoomer BeGone says:

    The issue is this is the new normal. We have windows of opportunity to plan and execute before the future flare ups.

    Rebuilding and getting our sh!t together is what matter. Not two senile old boomers and their counterparts that wont be alive in 36 months, never mind 15 years, wrecking hell on what is left.

  39. Fast Eddie says:

    Two more weeks, Joyce.

  40. Juice Box says:

    SundayBoomer – I have been reading allot about your advise.. ROX index etc since the first patient diagnosed at Hackensack Medical a PA named James Cai. He has been tweeting about it from day one. https://twitter.com/jamescainjnyc?lang=en

    Great advice in my humble and I mean humble opinion when symptoms hit go for humidification and deep breathing exercise similar for cystic fibrosis. I am sure you know your stuff especially what is now almost three months for you, all I can say is thank you and all the best.

    Not to muscle in on your action but “theoretically” would someone who has symptoms benefit from a home version of noninvasive ventilation (NIV), to keep them hopefully out of the ICU? My understanding is from day one symptomatic people have been told to stay home and rest, but would perhaps earlier humidification and O2 make a difference in theory?

    I almost forgot besides humor is there anything you need? I hear Eddie give a mean back rub while wearing a Shiny Zentai Suit…..


  41. joyce says:

    But why, Gary?

  42. 3b says:

    Fake news How does Biden’s Friday comment about you ain’t Black stir up
    racial animosity? That makes no sense.

  43. 3b says:

    Fast Do what you want, but it is selfish. Is it really a big deal to
    wear a mask?

  44. SundayBoomer BeGone says:


    Yes, they should use a CPAP/BIPAP =NIV home machine if they have it, along with humidification and exercises. In fact, this pathway would normally be one of the adjunct, along with high flow nasal cannula for breathing issues in the hospital setting with last resort intubation.

    The big issue from the onset was the easy spreading of the virus and which those devices would help spread because high flow of contaminated exhaled air and the lack of proper negative pressure room, ppe, disinfectants, etc. So generally everything was kept dry with oxygen mask and then intubation and ventilator, to protect patient, staff and other patients.

    So yeah, for future flare ups, having large amount of private negative pressure rooms with ante rooms to gear up & decontaminate & restock from outside, built in ultraviolet lamps, misting disinfectants, squirt soaps, pedal operated sinks (nothing with batteries) and plenty of PPE instead of meant to be disposable stuff that you got to clean/disinfect and keep around for a week until you get something that someone “war profiteer it” would make a difference.

  45. ExEssex says:

    Let’s take a minute and think of those we’ve lost: https://youtu.be/C9WtBo9b3WI

  46. Juice Box says:

    Sunday – Thanks again solid advise.. Hear that folks? Don’t go hoard like the TP…

  47. walking says:

    TSA reporting travel prior to the weekend (Thursday/Friday) was the highest since March, over 300k passengers were checked onto flights each day

  48. leftwing says:

    Saw an interview on CBS the CEO of a budget/mid chain, I think it was whoever owns Days Inn…said they are running 50% occupancy, much higher than recently. Need to research it…it’s opening boys. watch your shares.

    Have a great 80s playlist I crank…New Order, Furs, Echo & Bunnymen, Public Image, etc and of course DM. Oh, and the Nails lol.

  49. ExEssex says:

    They’re shooting each other down Daytona Beach way.
    If you are bringing a gun to the beach, Covid is the least
    Of your problems.

  50. chicagofinance says:

    Ex: forgive the no shirt crap…… acoustic, stand up bass, and a keyboard squeezebox


    ExEssex says:
    May 24, 2020 at 7:07 pm
    Let’s take a minute and think of those we’ve lost: https://youtu.be/C9WtBo9b3WI

  51. chicagofinance says:

    One of Biden’s good friends helped out the onboard flight crew interpret:

  52. BoomerRemover says:


    Is she hot?

  53. xmonger says:

    Not sure if this has been posted here before, but you should all bookmark this site. The best protocol of Covid 19 care changes frequently and is updated here.


    Medcram.com also has a free Covid series that is the best presentation on the virus/disease. The videos can get tehnical but are still easy to follow. They also have a YouTube channel but some of the videos got deleted because Google is run by Communists.

  54. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Lol how can you even justify deleting a medcram video?

  55. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    oh haha, nevermind, I found out. It’s a shame that the so called defenders of science need to delete a video that discusses the results of a study where NYU Grossman School of Medicine shows that the addition of zinc to a hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin COVID-19 regimen may result in a statistically significant reduction in mortality.

    I find it hilarious that people want this to fail so much to the point that they have politicized a drug.

  56. xmonger says:

    “Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    May 24, 2020 at 11:05 pm

    Lol how can you even justify deleting a medcram video?”

    You can’t.

    The march into the abyss continues…

  57. chicagofinance says:

    “Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

    Joe Biden

  58. homeboken says:

    As stated a few weeks ago, tax revenue drops will dictate the speed of reopening around here. Not science. With no Fed bailout coming, NYC and by extension, all surrounding areas, have a gigantic revenue problem.


  59. Hold my beer says:

    Home omen

    Enjoy the coming 10% sales tax and higher income taxes coming to your area.

  60. Hold my beer says:

    Should be homeboken. Lol autocorrect got me again

  61. homeboken says:

    I might change to home omen, since I seem to be making lots of predictions lately. Or maybe I should cut back on the prophecy.


    Prediction – enjoy your memorial day, I had a nice day at the lake yesterday with family and neighbors. It felt like back to normal.

    Tomorrow – when the country is sobering up, I think we are gonna see some big deveo about some dirty FBI going down.

  62. leftwing says:

    Thank you to all who served or have family who have served.

    Happy Memorial Day everyone.

  63. Libturd says:


  64. ExEssex says:

    Thank You President bone spurs .

  65. Comrade Nom Deplume, Visionary but not Wealthonary says:

    We are in for a generation of misery and strife.

    Good thing I’ve prepared for it.

  66. Comrade Nom Deplume, The Seer of Seers says:

    SundayBoomer BeGone says:
    May 24, 2020 at 3:12 pm
    The issue is this is the new normal. We have windows of opportunity to plan and execute before the future flare ups.

    Rebuilding and getting our sh!t together is what matter. Not two senile old boomers and their counterparts that wont be alive in 36 months, never mind 15 years, wrecking hell on what is left.”

    Word–The issue I now have with the current and future Nompounds is PPE and more sterilization and disinfecting capacity. The PPE stockpiling source for the current Nompound is being handled already but I will need to pick Grim’s brain sometime about stills so that we can generate our own alcohol, not just make beer and wine.

    BTW, if you are going to stockpile anything in a window, the first one that may close is firearms and ammo. The dems have again introduced bills calling for 30 and 50 percent taxes on guns and ammo. I don’t need anything but y’all might.

  67. Walking says:

    Blue, I was watching Channel 7 News last Wednesday and the field reporter asked a doctor heading in to the hospital what precautions they are taking while working in the ER, he simply stated they are all taking hydroxychloroquine proactively. This was in NYC.

  68. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    You don’t see how Biden comments stoke at racial grievances? Wow, that’s mind boggling. But ok.

    It’s beside the point though. These “dumb” things he says are part of his act. It’s scripted. He was the comic relief of the blama admin.

    I don’t think it will really sell when people are questioning his senility.

  69. ExEssex says:

    12:24 Again, Trump lowered the bar so far that nearly anything goes.
    His black comment offended Kanye (an egomaniacal Trumper) and probably 6 other blanks. Hope you are ready for the blue wave bout to rush over this once great Nation.
    Trump is the “disloyal actual retard” in the truest sense.

  70. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Blue, I was watching Channel 7 News last Wednesday and the field reporter asked a doctor heading in to the hospital what precautions they are taking while working in the ER, he simply stated they are all taking hydroxychloroquine proactively. This was in NYC.

    Just the fact that it is taken alongside Zinc and shown to increase concentrations of Zinc within the cell is enough justification for front line workers. Zinc inhibits RNA polymerase which is why it works against virii in general.

  71. Juice Box says:

    Beach clubs in Sea Bright look about 25% Based upon the cars in the parking lots

  72. Juice box says:

    Few people wearing masks in Long Branch pier village

  73. Juice box says:

    Asbury Park looks almost desolate lots and lots of parking

  74. juice Box says:

    No beach parking at Avon by the Sea with lots of people walkIng on the boards

    Belmar and Spring Lake seems busy with street parking open lots of people on beach and boards few wearing masks

  75. 3b says:

    Fake Not being difficult, I just don’t see it. The comment just proves that Biden is an old fool.

  76. leftwing says:

    Haven’t been to the beach today but SL/SG boards were closed yesterday. SL only had about half of the access points to the beach even open.

  77. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


    That’s it, let’s not take advantage of the whole cheap oil thing on recovery and pay up the wazoo for alternative forms of energy. Our revenue streams have dried up, but we can look to alternative energy. These people don’t live in reality.

  78. Libturd says:

    Went into Home Depot 20 minutes ago. Store was empty, until I went to get in line to pay. Line was 50 people long and two registers were open. None of the self serves were open.

    Left empty-handed.

    3rd world country I tell ya.

  79. crushednjmillenial says:

    I have personally been taking Vitamin D for the last few days. I hope there is some truth in the notion that it is helpful against bad consequences if one contracts Covid.


  80. leftwing says:

    Marko Kolonavic, head of quant strategy at JPM, has a new report out on the pandemic, its politicization, and market effects if you can get your hands on it.

    Deep dive on virus data relative to reopening risks.

    Separately, if you can catch his CNBC interview it is pure gold. Masks, numbers, opinion and forecasts v. hard data.

  81. leftwing says:

    Macy’s going to market with $1.1B of bonds.

    LOL. Said this about a month ago, will reiterate. Bond bonuses, especially HY, on WS this year are going to be insane.

  82. Juice Box says:

    Triple Five skipped April and May mortgage payments on the Mall of America, how long before the latest owners of Xanadu aka American Dream Mall file for bankruptcy?

    In other news approx 20% of NYC restaurants have handed back their keys, that is expected to go up to 50%.

  83. homeboken says:

    Biden looks re-born, the energy, the eloquence, he is like a brand new candidate ready to fight. Not to mention, he did all this in such a hostile interview environment. He is ready to go toe-to-toe with Orange Man.


  84. chicagofinance says:

    I own 23’s and 24’s in some portfolios. They have been consistently trading around 70. I was hoping to get some firming across 2020. Not a trade. My basis in these was mostly high 90’s. This new stuff is secured by real estate, so I wonder the overall effect on the unsecured stuff. I saw GE took out a bunch of short dated stuff at a discount to par, but at a premium to market.

    leftwing says:
    May 26, 2020 at 9:03 am
    Macy’s going to market with $1.1B of bonds.

    LOL. Said this about a month ago, will reiterate. Bond bonuses, especially HY, on WS this year are going to be insane.

  85. leftwing says:

    You using a screen for debt quotes? Or still manual.

  86. leftwing says:

    April new home sales off the charts re: expectations….

    623k actual v 490k expected, annual rates. Above March number.

    That’s up 0.6% v estimated down 21.9%.

    Median price down to $309k from $330k last year.

  87. Phoenix says:

    Karen of the day. You have to love the one’s that lie and claim they are threatened when no one is threatening them at all. Using the police as weapons. And if this poor guy did not have a recording they would have believed a woman over a man every time.


  88. joyce says:

    The town of Walnut Creek, California, located less than an hour outside San Francisco in East Bay, is now reporting a huge increased in deaths from suicide during than lockdown than from COVID-19. The trauma center at John Muir Medical Center responded to a “year’s worth of suicide attempts” in just the last four weeks, and doctors have begun to question the safety of a continued quarantine.


  89. 3b says:

    Phoenix: I am sure Karen would describe herself as a proud liberal, but really a closet racist. She has been put on leave by her employer.

  90. Fast Eddie says:


    Was that Biden thing real or a spliced parody?

  91. Phoenix says:

    3b I was married to someone like that. Didn’t show itself for years. Always wondered why she had a problem with the nice family across the street that adopted a child that did not look like them. Her “thoughts” came out in a tirade as well.
    Funny how little you really know your spouses.

  92. homeboken says:

    Fast – It was a parody, like my comment. Good Luck finding the full interview anywhere on the internet.

    I do find it funny that it needs to be clarified, since it is totally believable that the guy would sound precisely like that.

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I keep saying it. Being home too much is not good for your mental health. That’s why WFH will never work long term for most of the population. The touch screen is not a replacement for real life social interaction.

    joyce says:
    May 26, 2020 at 10:44 am
    The town of Walnut Creek, California, located less than an hour outside San Francisco in East Bay, is now reporting a huge increased in deaths from suicide during than lockdown than from COVID-19. The trauma center at John Muir Medical Center responded to a “year’s worth of suicide attempts” in just the last four weeks, and doctors have begun to question the safety of a continued quarantine.


  94. homeboken says:

    I have been reading up on NonDelegation Doctrine. I think that if we end up with a full GOP government (House, Senate and WH) then the majority is going to push for a massive overhaul of lots of un-elected bureaucracy.

    I can foresee the GOP moving to dismantle so many government sponsored entities, the FDA and the DEA come to mind.

    I am really not sure how I feel about such a move. I am a bit nervous as my personal income is tied tightly to many government subsidized housing programs, and it will likely ding my earnings in a meaningful way.

    I am very much in favor one of the 3 branches being split party control. Neither side should be able to advance their agenda in such a huge way.

    Does anyone know a good place to really dig into research around Non-Delegation Doctrine?

  95. homeboken says:

    Correction – I didn’t mean DEA above, I mean Dept. of Education. Brain fart.

  96. JCer says:

    Homeboken, my father was very wise in political matters, he told me many years ago the best possible outcome was a divided government that accomplishes nothing, no major legislative changes. Any large change could have severe unintended consequences, and the government was totally incompetent and largely corrupted so what ever they touch tends to turn to sh*t, the best outcome is the devil you know, rather than the unknown. Cutting regulation and reducing taxes were considered a positive but the tax cutting and running a deficit was not something he viewed favorably.

    Things like the FDA should stay in place we need to ensure safety. The federal department of education….that can go away, the federal government role in education is kind of ridiculous and not an area the federal government should be in. It is an administrative waste, the federal government should shrink, they can send money to the states but locally administering and running things in general works better than a central body making dictates.

  97. Libturd, the Original Karen disciple says:

    I think my mom was the original Karen, only her rants were always justified, albeit a little crazy. Multiple time, in my youth, I was embarrassed by one of he tirades, almost always with a retail clerk or store manager. It was always caused by poor customer service, or unfair policies. It usually ended with security being called as my mom would refuse to leave until she got satisfaction. An example would be a heal breaking on a shoe a month after she brought it. If the store wouldn’t replace it or issue a refund, you can rest assured that they would not have any sales until, either they met her demands or security was called.

    Having being raised by such a madwoman, I too have a tendency to point out when I am being treated unfairly, only I usually won’t take it to the point where security comes. Though, I did get arrested once. 6th Avenue electronics sold me a black market Denon CD player back in the day when CD’s were still introduced. It was basically a $500 doorstop. I gave it to my brother (the audiophile) as a gift and it was DOA, I went to return it three weeks after and they said their return police was two weeks and take it up with Denon. Denon said seller was not an authorized seller and that I was sh1t out of luck. After I was arrested for criminal trespassing as I stood outside the store and told everyone coming in what their policies were, to which no one entered the store for about two hours, they finally called the police. Of course, in court, I made a deal with the prosecutor that I wouldn’t go there again if they dropped the charges. This was fortunate as I didn’t have (couldn’t afford) a lawyer and if I lost the case, I might have been in jail for my brother’s wedding the next day. This was 1988. Of course, I wasn’t done. One by one, I had a bunch of my friends go to the store to put together huge packages, like home theaters. Only, to have them ask about their policy of arresting customers who tried to return grey market components and then leave. I did this once a day for about a month. Then I finally called them and had a good laugh with them, for they pretty much agreed they were dirty Jew shysters and an embarrassment to our tribe. I recorded the call and played it for all my college buddies and it was pretty legend. Ah, the good old days.

    As I’ve aged, I’ve gotten much smarter. Any time I am treated unfairly, I just have my brother, the lawyer, write the company a note on his firm’s letterhead. I always get satisfaction.

  98. Libturd, the Master Beta says:

    “I think that if we end up with a full GOP government (House, Senate and WH) ”


    Good luck with that. Wanna go double or nothing? You are really starting to sound like a moron, pardon my observation.

  99. homeboken says:

    Lib – I am not arguing for a 1 party government, I am worried about it.

    I sound like a moron huh? Tell us more about your thoughts on “Dirty Jew Shysters” I guess in your face racism is cool as long as you share the same ideology.

  100. Juice Box says:

    re: “Good luck with that”

    The entire country is shifting left and has been for a long time. I don’t see the right taking the House back anytime soon, are there really 36-40 seats that are going to flip in November?

  101. leftwing says:

    Re: Central Park Karen, she is unfortunately a Canuck. ****sigh**** Bachelor forever.

    Divided government, yes, the best. Wouldn’t mind a House takeover to end the endless inquiries but won’t happen. Need to keep Senate and WH, have to finish the job begun with Federal judges and the Supremes. RBG definitely gone during the next Prez term, by nature or her own hand.

    Nondelegation doctrine? Critical study of the headless bureaucracy was already a thing three decades ago when I was an undergrad. Want something to turn your stomach? Go to the testimony of the Ukraine Major and his woman superior who testified in front of Congress regarding the whole Trump thing. Truly amazing, he looks at the camera and talks about how the Admin was interfering with what HE believed HIS mission to be over there. And unbelievably holding the ADMIN responsible for interfering with HIM. Buddy, you are nothing but a tool of execution of an Administration’s policy. You have absolutely zero policy making authority.

    He’s not the only one. Look at hydrochlor guy reassigned to NIH and his testimony.

    This part of government is so entrenched they now believe they have rights and standing with regard to making policy OVER the Executive branch in which that power is actually vested.

  102. Libturd the Greek says:

    I am not bothered at all by what I said Homeboken. That is exactly what they are. Of course, not all Jews are dirty shysters. But the one’s that run electronic stores or appliance centers are for the most part.

  103. Fast Eddie says:

    Definitely the WH and the Senate will be red in November. I’m wishful for the House as well. If Ginsberg starts drooling, perhaps a super majority in the SC would be the icing on the cake. The liberal mentality is so distracting, so worthless in their reasoning.

  104. Libturd says:

    “Want something to turn your stomach?”

    Is it worse than a POTUS who doesn’t believe in wearing a mask so much so that tens of thousands of people will die following his example?

    This is what turns my stomach and should turn yours as well.

    Holy political bias day.

    In other news, Costa Rica has now become the first country in Central America to allow same sex marriages. Sad, that this little country is miles ahead of the United States in nearly every category besides military might.

  105. Libturd, sees lots of aborted babies in garbage cans. says:

    An unbalanced supreme court will be the undoing of our country. It will be a very sad day when this happens.

  106. homeboken says:

    Whatever you say Lib – But while judging moron behavior, I must point out the story that you shared, totally unsolicited about being grifted out of $500. Your solution to that was to:
    a. Get arrested for criminal trespass.
    b. waste the time and effort to go to court and negotiate the charges dropped, and almost missing the wedding day of your sibling.
    c. solicit the help of friends to return to the store, and waste not only their time but the stores time as well. Do this for one month.
    d. And worst of all, what is no doubt many years since this event (if it ever happened) you re-tell the tale to a bunch of strangers in a way that you think if flattering to your persistent nature.

    Honestly, your entire last post, if true, makes me question your sanity.

  107. leftwing says:

    “Is it worse than a POTUS who doesn’t believe in wearing a mask so much so that tens of thousands of people will die following his example?”

    Uhmmm, unelected officials running roughshod over a duly elected government based on their personal beliefs vs. wearing a facemask in public? Seriously?

    And no facemask on the commander in chief causing “tens of thousands” more deaths? When we haven’t even reached 100k yet and the majority of those are people imprisoned in nursing homes?

    As a friend, and one who appreciates and looks forward to your postings over the last decade…..your shrillness over the end of days has moved into unhinged territory….

  108. leftwing says:

    And my view is not politically biased….I feel the same way Left or Right….if they are duly elected they have the right – no, obligation – to execute on the policies on which they were elected.

    I despise Murphy on every level possible. But I will defend his ability to freely implement his policies as the duly elected governor of this State. Ditto Bama, with less derision.

  109. joyce says:

    Will never happen. They’re hypocrites. They’ve had chances in the past to changes and did nothing. More likely increased the size of government.

    homeboken says:
    May 26, 2020 at 11:21 am

    I can foresee the GOP moving to dismantle so many government sponsored entities, the FDA and the DEA come to mind.

  110. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    My approach is much better. I just keep acting stupid but extremely polite and ask nonstop dumb questions. Usually 10 minutes into it, they just give in. They won’t call security because your not hostile and too nice. I learned this tactic at Rutgers and it would work like a charm. They would tear up all my parking tickets. It was hilarious. The woman would rip them up and scream at me…please just don’t park there again! No one else ever broke that office.

    Although, I can also play the other guy, pissed off when I know I have leverage over the business. It all depends upon the situation I guess.

  111. ExEssex says:

    12:15 yes power and more power. Pushing more money to the rich, to
    Churches, to states that literally hate you Eddie.

    Good Plan.

  112. Fast Eddie says:

    12:15 yes power and more power. Pushing more money to the rich, to
    Churches, to states that literally hate you Eddie.

    The progressives hate me worse.

  113. Bystander says:

    Yet you love being surrounded by them at Dead shows..oh the irony Ed. Hope we actually get some shows this year. Going bonkers.


    Just catching up on posts. Here is some sage advice, no matter how hot she is, she is still someone’s PITA…so true.

  114. Fabius Maximus says:

    The GOP won all three in 2016 and they did nothing. The one big Tax Cut was the only legislation to come out of those two years. Full majority in congress and Donnie still blamed the Dems as the reason he couldn’t get anything done.

    Blue wave is coming.

  115. leftwing says:

    The only reason I’m OK if House goes Red and gives DJT both houses is because the Repubs loathe him so much they won’t let him get through everything he wants….a Blue or Red president lifelong politician? Wouldn’t want either to have both houses of Congress, too much likelihood they would actually “get something done”.

    That’s why Hillary scared the bejesus out of me. She knows every pothole in DC with a ton of favors to call…this country would have looked very different.

  116. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Yet you love being surrounded by them at Dead shows…

    Guilty. :) In honesty though, that crowd was a mix of everything and everybody. What we need is another entity like the Dead to unite us.

  117. Libturd, the Master Beta says:


    I can happily accept a split. The last time the Dems controlled all three, we got the world’s largest thank you gift to the Dem PACs. And you wonder why the younger lefties can’t stand the HRCs and Bidens enough to not vote for them?


    Yes, you should question my sanity. Regularly. I am an outlier, but not a liar. If there is one thing you should know about me by now. It’s that my skin is thicker than most. If I dish it, I’m prepared to take it. And finally. It’s never personal. Just advice/criticism. The one who is deranged is the one who can’t see it for what it is. When I pour you a drink from my winning bottles at the GTG on November 4th at Silk City, it will all be good (and uploaded to youtube). I love my enemies. Except for Pumpkin. He is an assh0le of the highest degree.

    I really hope you are right about the spread of this pandemic staying nuanced the rest of the way. We are already the laughing stock of the world for the initial mishandling of it. Trump is going to look extra, extra stupid when he fails yet again.

  118. Fat Fast Eddie says:

    Blue wave is coming.

    I expect you here the morning after the election to explain what went wrong for your side.

  119. leftwing says:

    LOL. Lib, looking forward to bellying up at Silk City in November, win or lose.

    I don’t know whether the death toll will be nuanced or not, my crystal ball is no better than anyone else’s. I do know more people will die from C19. Five figures likely. As they will die from DUI car crashes, the flu, heart disease, and cancer.

    The relevant question for me is not preventing death in the absolute, but how one can efficiently prevent those deaths that are avoidable.

    General lockdowns for C19, especially right now, are the equivalent of shutting interstates to prevent inevitable DUI car deaths.

    It can reduce the number but it is insanity.

    PEOPLE. WILL. DIE. From C19. And everything else.

  120. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    A family member had to go to get something cut off his foot yesterday. His doctor said, the hospital currently has 9 patients with Coronavirus. They have 90,000 appointments/surgeries that have been on hold since March 15th. Perpetual lockdown is a health hazard itself.

    There was a Bay Area doctor that said he fears that because people are continually skipping out on scans and checkups, there is the possibility that we see a wave of late stage cancer because it went undetected during this year.

  121. Hold my beer says:
  122. chicagofinance says:

    If you are willing to pay up, there is food.

    Hold my beer says:
    May 26, 2020 at 5:28 pm
    We will all be living on burgoo next year


  123. Bystander says:


    Not quite but I would agree that the Shake down area is like a cross of this country. Unemployed tards looking for a free miracle ticket handout, probably 20% of crowd . I would 20% spacey, older landscapers. Largest would be 50% left leaning regular folks looking for a fun night but back to work Monday. There are about 5% greedy capitalist skivs looking to swindle for a ticket or N2O balloons. I would say a conservative Rand loving heads, who would beat most of audience with a tire iron, represent that last 5% ;)

  124. Fast Eddie says:


    Ann Coulter is a dead head. Lol

  125. joyce says:

    The votes by both authorities also will permanently change the process for future toll increases, allowing the agencies to annually increase tolls up to a 3% based on certain economic indicators.


    I don’t recall reading that portion in previous articles. Probably the only reason they’re finally implementing cashless tolls.

  126. ExEssex says:

    2:57 I relish the opportunity.

  127. leftwing says:

    Central Park Karen not only hit the local CBS News but apparently the national CBS News as there was a lead-in to the story…she’s toast. Forever.

  128. Hold my beer says:


    Hardtack and dried peas too?

  129. leftwing says:

    Cuomo does a hard pivot…rang the opening bell and then affirmative statement to the cameras that “we are turning the page on covid and focus on reopening”. National CBS News broadcast.

    Political animal. Knows he overplayed the shutdown hand, backpedaling hard now. Even opened barber shops and salons.

    Because, y’know, they couldn’t have been opened two weeks ago nor do they need to stay closed for two more. Science and data folks. Science and data.

  130. Fabius Maximus says:

    “world’s largest thank you gift to the Dem PAC” And coverage for Pre existing conditions.

    With this lot you have them trying to roll all that back and gift tax cuts on top of it. The court cases to repeal ACA are slowly making their way through the courts. Those GOP packed courts are only warming up.

  131. Fabius Maximus says:


    That assumes we have an election this year. I am going it a 20% chance we don’t and about a 60% chance we don’t have a result on Nov 4th

  132. Bystander says:


    Yes but she hates the Orange clown..not quite the perfect woman for you. Plus, I think Bill Maher hit that hard many times.

  133. leftwing says:

    A visual I did not need…..

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That guy in Central Park was definitely harassing her. He was trying to trigger her. Why else are you recording? It’s sad, he’s a man, and she’s clearly so scared that she is acting irrationally, yet he won’t leave her alone…keeps on filming her. What a loser.

  135. 3b says:

    NYC is not opening anytime soon. I am hearing a lot of companies won’t be heading back to the office, those actually going back to the office until the Fall or early next year.

  136. Fast Eddie says:


    What the f.uck does Coulter see in him?

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    NHL commissioner Gary Bettman announced Tuesday that the league is planning to return with a 24-team playoff tournament.
    The 2019-2020 regular season is officially over. The top 12 teams in each conference (as of the March 12 pause in play) will participate in the 24-team playoff tournament, which means that the Sabres, Devils, Senators, Red Wings, Ducks, Kings, and Sharks have all been eliminated. Tournament games are expected to take place in two hub cities, with Las Vegas, Toronto, Chicago, Columbus, Edmonton, Dallas, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Vancouver, and Pittsburgh all in the running for hosting duties. There should be a follow-up announcement relatively soon about possible dates for games and which cities those games will be played in. Bettman suggested Tuesday that it may take 3-4 weeks to fully sort out the schedule and other logistics. Training camps could get underway around the beginning of July.

  138. ExEssex says:

    *did – I don’t think they’re an item anymore.

    Pumpkin, being scared is one thing, but today
    If you are caught on video calling in
    A fake “threat” or some such nonsense AND you throw
    racially charged accusations around. You’ll end up
    High and Dry. She shoulda walked away.

    As for Trump. Does he even want to win.
    I mean I’m sure he had a wonderful time at the helm
    in term 1, but term 2 ain’t gonna be no picnic.

  139. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Essex….def agree.

  140. ExEssex says:

    Trump was having some strange equilibrium problems trying to stand up.
    Yeah he’s a healthy specimen. Morbidly obese, adderal snorting, retard… Yeah he’s a lock for re-election. Biden is spry and healthy is comparison to the bronzer addicted fat f@ck in the office now.

  141. Chicago says:

    Left: Some of Kolanvic

    While we often hear that lockdowns are driven by scientific models, and that there is an exact relationship between the level of economic activity and spread of virus – this is not supported by the data. Figure 2 below show virus spread rates before and after lockdown for different countries around the world, and Figure 1shows the spread for US states that have re-opened (also see here). In particular, regression shows that infection rates declined, not increased, after lockdowns ended (for US states we show most recent R0 vs R0 on the day of lockdown end, and for countries we show infection rates). For example, the data in Figure 2 shows a decrease in infection rates after countries eased national lockdowns with >99% statistical significance. Indeed, virtually everywhere, infection rates have declined after reopening even after allowing for an appropriate measurement lag. This means that the pandemic and COVID-19 likely have its own dynamics unrelated to often inconsistent lockdown measures that were being implemented. The fact that re-opening did not change the course of pandemic is consistent with mentioned studies showing that initiation of full lockdowns did not alter the course of the pandemic either (see research paper). These virus dynamics are perhaps driven by the elimination of the most effective spreaders (e.g. see research paper), impact on the most vulnerable populations such as in nursing homes, common sense measures unrelated to full lockdowns (such as washing hands, etc.)and weather patterns in the northern hemisphere, etc

  142. Chicago says:

    What gives FlabMax comfort when he observes Memorial Day? His true heroes that sacrificed for the greater good.


  143. Phoenix says:

    Harassing her. You really are a dope. She was annoyed that he was filming her so she tried to control the situation like the typical Karen, call the authorities on him like the military calls in an airstrike on a target.

    Same thing women do in order to win custody battles. Claim abuse where none exists in order to get what they want-or keep something quiet they don’t like. This was her attempt to shut him up and threaten him from releasing a video of her. TFB.

    In other news, Minneapolis is in deep doo doo thanks to its stellar police force. More entertainment to increase over the next 24, as if Covid was not enough.

  144. ExEssex says:

    Republicans currently hold a narrow majority in the Senate — and that if Joe Biden is elected president this fall, Democrats need only a net gain of three seats, two of which the White House is actively fretting about.

    Now, to be clear: The White House has every reason to worry.

    The record of appointed senators, which Loeffler and Martha McSally (Arizona) both are, winning in their own right is dicey.

    In addition to the weight of that history, neither Loeffler nor McSally has distinguished herself in the first six months in the Senate. Loeffler has been beset by a series of stock trades she and her husband made prior to the collapse of the stock market due to the coronavirus pandemic. McSally’s numbers have never recovered from a bruising 2018 campaign that she lost to Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D) and polling suggests she is consistently behind Democrat Mark Kelly.

  145. grim says:

    Don’t pay attention to coronavirus for a day and all the sudden all the barber shops and salons are opening?

  146. homeboken says:

    Grim – go away again! If you take the week off maybe we can get schools open!!

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