C19 Open Discussion Week 12

Two interesting data points from Otteau Group:

  • In NJ, week three projections for May 2020 show sales picked up slightly compared to the previous month, but still project a 21% decline year-on-year, bringing sales to their lowest levels since 2013.
  • This year, NJ’s unsold inventory has declined by 36% down to just 27,800 homes during a time of year when there is typically an influx of homes coming to the market.
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233 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 12

  1. Mike says:

    Good Morning New Jersey

  2. grim says:

    But is it?

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Man, everything was so good a few months ago. Anti-trumpers are destroying this country. Everything they accuse trump of, they have become. Unbelievable how fast they are taking it down.

    China and Russian leadership are smiling right now. Good job for doing their dirty work.

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I mean, Chinese leaders couldn’t have planned it better. Getting our own citizens to hurt our economy and society.

  5. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Houston, we have a major supply problem.

    “down to just 27,800 homes“

  6. A Home Buyer says:

    Guess now we can find out which side of the Covid 19 debate of virus lethality was right.

    Either we see a very rapid second wave of dead protesters, or we see no discernable increase in virus death rates…

    I wonder if they will clarify a rubber bullet to the head as a Covid 19 death if they test positive?

  7. leftwing says:

    “Good Morning New Jersey…But is it?”

    You know, it is. I went to bed last night on such a high.

    Tuned in with my oldest to watch the space launch yesterday afternoon. Proud.

    Went outside with him last night around 9:46p and watched both the ISS and capsule glide overhead. Five minute pass, each visible with the naked eye. ISS was brighter than Venus, capsule less so. He used his astro lens to capture images, I had a pretty high power set of binoculars for a better look. Awe.

    Heading out to see my parents for the first time in five months. Everyone have a good day.

  8. Grim says:

    Beautiful launch yesterday

  9. leftwing says:

    Oh, and IIRC, there are standing orders to shoot anyone attempting to breach the WH residence.

    Recall back in 2014 the former Iraq war veteran gained access after the SS failed to draw down. They cited several factors, no visible weapon, clothing not conducive to hiding one, Obamas not at residence, and the potential for onlooker casualties if they fired. Several were reprimanded and IIRC the head of the Secret Service was canned.

    Many things the kids can fcuk with in DC with great latitude. Thw WH is not one of them.

  10. LurksMcGee says:


    Do you mean supply problem as in people don’t want to list their homes?

  11. Juice Box says:

    re: launch

    Was great I just watched the latest orbit video, the Dragon Capsule is roomy compared to previous capsules, but it’s still no Shuttle which had a galley, toilet, sleep locations, storage lockers etc.

    Docking will be 10:29 AM ET..

  12. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    The protesters are all in the age group where the odds are well below 1 in 1000. You’d be surprised to see more than a few dozen deaths nationwide of protesters from this virus transmitting during those protests. They can however, transmit it to all their parents and grandparents.

  13. 3b says:

    Beautiful launch, what a powerful sight to witness. An escape from the madness!

  14. 3b says:

    Joyce: you have a point on the indirect referencing to him, but sorry the WFH thing scares the crap out of him, and of course we know why. And it’s too much fun, so on occasion, I will reference him but only on that topic.

  15. homeboken says:

    Unless the DNC is totally inept, they should be reading the tea leaves and take Biden out of the top spot.

    They can put almost any minority in there instead and dare the voters to elect Trump and invite even bigger riots and death events.

    This is the DNC best shot at victory, make the general election a referendum on race and subtly or not so subtly hint that electing a straight white male will result in massive riots/looting and death.

  16. grim says:

    joyce says:
    May 30, 2020 at 11:11 am

    We’ve had riots and similar behavior after a number of controversial police involved events… pandemic/unemployment is a coincidence.

    Watched the looting of the Louis Vuitton store in a Miami mall. Given how much those kids were smiling with glee running out of there with thousands of dollars of high end merchandise, it was clear that the concern was entirely about social injustice.

    I hear they all robbed an Apple store too. Which is idiocy, because Apple knows every single unit on the floor and in inventory, and probably knows where they all are right now (there is a gps in nearly every single Apple device, including desktop computers). So they were, perhaps, not the smartest bunch.

  17. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Believe me, it’s so much fun calling your nonsense out on a daily basis. Keep the fun coming..

    3b says:
    May 31, 2020 at 9:41 am
    Joyce: you have a point on the indirect referencing to him, but sorry the WFH thing scares the crap out of him, and of course we know why. And it’s too much fun, so on occasion, I will reference him but only on that topic.

  18. homeboken says:

    Grim – there was a Twitter post that showed a bricked iPhone with the message:

    “This iPhone has been disabled is being tracked. Please return to the apple store Walnut St. Local authorities may have been notified.

  19. Phoenix says:

    “It was clear that the concern was entirely about social injustice.”

    Maybe if Pumps and all of his colleagues put up more “BEE KIND” signs in front of the schools it will help. Do you think they can win vs the Karens of America driving them to school in their Tahoes?

    Other thing is kids are less racist than their parents. Sorry Karen, step up your game.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Has it really been 18 years?


  21. Juice box says:

    somebody wants to be VP

    Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) on Saturday attended a protest outside the White House as violent unrest rages across the United States over the death of George Floyd, the man who died after a Minneapolis police officer placed his knee on Floyd’s neck while he was handcuffed.

    A masked Harris shared a video of herself attending a protest alongside hundreds of other demonstrators chanting “Hands up. Don’t shoot.”

  22. 3b says:

    What is the name of the male version of Karen?

  23. Phoenix says:

    Closest thing is a Kyle, who is a kid who drinks too many energy drinks. Karen is in a category all by herself.

  24. D-FENS says:

    BLM protestors getting fed up with white ANTIFA https://www.instagram.com/tv/CA1TsVUl_DH/

  25. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Haven’t you watched the news like ever? There’s no such thing as ANTIFA.

  26. JUice Box says:

    Soy boys beware.

    BREAKING: The United States will be officially designating Antifa a domestic terrorist organization

  27. JCer says:

    Unfortunately for Kamala, it doesn’t play well, her tenure as a prosecutor doesn’t look great.

    Truth be told if the DNC would run Booker he’d probably be elected over Trump. Joe Biden not so much, I’m interest to see what the Ukrainians gave to Trump, apparently Poroshenko’s former right hand man has taped recordings with the prior administration which are compromising. My wife who hates Trump and is a Democrat, even said to me yesterday she video of Biden and it looked like he was having a stroke, is this the best we can come up with?

    As more is coming out about the George Floyd situation, the more situation becomes more complicated. The office definitely used excessive force and should be prosecuted and punished for contributing to the man’s death but the corner’s report indicates it was a contributing factor not the cause of his cardiac arrest. Also as is typical the police seem to do a poor job of administering aid when a suspect experiences medical issues. The victims prior criminal record indicates a lengthy history of cocaine use which is likely a huge factor in the state of his cardiovascular health. While being arrested he was under the influence of something(alcohol or drugs) and he resisted arrest, while it does not excuse the excessive force used by an officer who based on his complaint history should have been taken off the beat years ago. It greatly complicates any prosecution of the officer, given a healthy suspect what the officer did likely would not have resulted in death, that is likely to be part of the defense. Also apparently in Minneapolis the hold he was using was taught in the police academy and was a permitted hold(I’m not sure why but again policing in Minneapolis is very troublesome on many levels). Based on this information it would seem the officer did not have his full weight on his neck and did not obstruct the windpipe. In the court of public opinion the officer is guilty of murder but in a court of law negligent manslaughter is probably the most he is guilty of 5-10 year sentence at the most, I see more rioting in the future.

    Again the narrative as more detail comes out is more complicated, from what I heard the store owner approached him and told him the money was no good, he could either give him a different 20 or return the merchandise, he refused and the owner of the store told him he was calling the police. I would think as someone who has been in the system before he would have given the cigarettes back or given a different $20 as it’s not worth it have the police come, no matter what happens that is going to ruin your day over cigarettes or $20. The first instance of bad judgement. Other signs of bad judgement, being behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated. The next instance of bad judgement was resisting being put in the police car. So one can finger excessive force as the cause but it is far more nuanced there were copious amounts of bad judgement exercised before the incident that contributed to the tragic ending.

    Again not absolving the officer of his culpability in the scenario, excessive force was used and was certainly not warranted as the risk of harm from a handcuffed suspect. unfortunately excessive force from the police is far to common if someone dares to be combative.

  28. Walking says:

    Perhaps the police will move to more of a cya type of interaction in the future similar to medicine. ie : you complain of a slight headache with your cold and the doctor is forced to order a battery of tests to rule out the 1 in million possibility of a stroke to prevent a future lawsuit. I can see it coming where a simple incident requires multiple police and social services to be present to make sure things are handled correctly. Throw in a union rep as well.

    I have seen on the GSP a process of two squad cars being present when pulling of a black motorist. An eye witness to the incident (CYA).

    It not efficient, and drives up costs.

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Protestors” beat the hell out of female shop owner as husband pleads helplessly. In broad daylight.


  30. Libturd says:

    The issue is that this country is supposed to be advanced enough that our police don’t serve as trial, justice and jury. It doesn’t matter what the dude did in the past. It doesn’t even matter wha the dude did now. The job of the police is to detain the suspect until trial. His resistance does not matter. No one forced anyone to be a cop. Sorry mother fukcer. Want the violence to stop? If resisting arrest, tase, handcuff, detain. Let the courts do the rest. Where do we live? In Afghanistan?

    And this too occurred under Trump’s watch and under his lootin and shootin tweet. If you think this is a knock against Biden, you are hopelessly lost politically. Trump is and continues to be the worst president ever. Regardless of the faith and loyalty of his devout supporters.

  31. homeboken says:

    Lib- IMHO,the main issue in the general election will be China. Everything is noise and we are still 5 months away.

  32. 30 year realtor says:


    Your personal landscape does not sync with the world at large. This is a referendum on Trump! I am sure there are other people who hold your view but they are a fraction of a percentage of the American voting public. In the future you should avoid wagering on politics. You have no clue which way the wind blows.

  33. SomeOne says:

    homeboken, does everything need to end up as a wager on who will be the next president of US?

  34. homeboken says:

    Wager not about who wins POTUS, my wager says Biden doesn’t make it to election day on the ticket. China is Trump’s central platform point. It’s also where Biden is weakest.

    But hey, if I am renting space in your brain with a few random blog comments, then I am even more confident I am right.

  35. Juice Box says:

    Finally a smart looter in New Jersey no less..


  36. SomeOne says:

    Juice, the video in the tweet is a comedy sketch from March 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs9gdKyLZCk

  37. ExEssex says:

    6:59 seriously. Nobody gives two-shits about China.
    This time it’s about exorcising the Country of the disease called
    Trump. Betcha Melania even dumps him in 2020.

  38. homeboken says:

    Nobody gives two shits about China? Is part of the “Come on, Man!” Playbook? China US relations are reaching a boiling point. If you aren’t concerned that a world power,with nuclear capability and a population 3x the size of the US, then good for you. I don’t have the luxury of being that naive.

  39. Walking says:

    CNN reporting the president went into the bunker (I’m still thinking tunnel which leads across the street to an Uber driver waiting for him) on Friday night. So much for the super man snipers with lasers on the roof. I don’t think they were prepared Friday night for an all out riot breech.

  40. ExEssex says:

    Like Herbert Hoover, who in 1930 said “the worst is behind us” as thousands starved, Trump says the economy will improve and does nothing about the growing hardship. The Democratic-led House passed a $3tn relief package on 15 May. Mitch McConnell has recessed the Senate without taking action and Trump calls the bill dead on arrival.

    What about other pressing issues a real president would be addressing? The House has passed nearly 400 bills this term, including measures to reduce climate change, enhance election security, require background checks on gun sales, reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act and reform campaign finance. All are languishing in McConnell’s inbox. Trump doesn’t seem to be aware of any of them.

  41. 3b says:

    China is definitely a threat, anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool. In the meantime, they are engaging Indian troops on their border with India, dismantling, Hong Kong s autonomy, and threatening Taiwan again.

  42. homeboken says:

    The protests and riots are happening in nearly 40 cities nationwide.

    Cities are typically Democrat/Liberal strong holds.

    If COVID is what we have been told, we should see 10s if not 100s of thousands of new cases, highly concentrated among those that are most likely very anti Trump.
    Seems dangerous to expose your entire voting base at risk of a deadly virus.

    Mayor of Minneapolis still won’t allow chrich service at 25% capacity. But he hands out masks to protestors by the thousands.

    This all makes zero sense and I am just tired of being lied to.

  43. homeboken says:

    church*. Lousy stubby thumbs.

  44. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    This rioting and protesting doesn’t resonate well with the people looking to get on with their lives. The left owns these protests. Reasonable people were appalled by the murder of Floyd but we are satisfied with justice being served on the cop. We were a week or two away from beginning to get on with our lives and a bunch of losers decided to firebomb businesses and loot them. This has always had long lasting repercussions.

    Asbury Park, Newark, Trenton, Camden, all destroyed by riots decades ago. How long did it take for Asbury to get it’s boardwalk up and running?

  45. walking says:

    homeboken: Only 2,000 deaths in Florida. I would have thought the older population would have resulted in significantly higher numbers. I think some were calling for massive deaths starting early May from the spring breakers in April. It now June and its been lumbering along at 40 deaths a day

  46. njtownhomer says:

    and about 5K pneumonia deaths in FL. They clearly under-report COVID numbers.


  47. Stuart J Weissman says:

    “China US relations are reaching a boiling point. If you aren’t concerned that a world power,with nuclear capability and a population 3x the size of the US, then good for you. I don’t have the luxury of being that naive.”

    Now why is this? What caused this sudden animosity?

    The worst president ever.

  48. joyce says:

    China played a role in it, too.

  49. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    lol, they arrested DeBlasio’s daughter

  50. Walking says:

    Looks like Florida averaged 3000 from flu and pneumonia a year, give or take so reporting 5000 ok so maybe 4000 deaths from covid.

  51. Libturd, on his soap box. says:

    A couple of very scary recent observations. I wished my step-father (who I consider my father) a happy 86th birthday on Friday. He lives with my mom in Boynton Beach in one of those gargantuan senior communities. In the non-pandemic days, we would speak every two weeks or so. Since the pandemic started, we now speak every other day.

    Well, we got to talking about the numbers in Florida and they are not even aware that their former Covid counter for the Florida department of health was fired for not willing to fudge the numbers for their governor. He wasn’t in denial, he just simply hadn’t heard. This is amazing to me, as he is an active news watcher and paper reader. It does show you the danger of not occasionally watching the news from a source besides Fox and reading a newspaper not controlled by Murdoch. On the bright side, the old people are all wearing masks and being very careful with only two Covid cases reported in their community of 1200.

    On the looting. It’s not a black thing. At least not from the pictures and videos I’ve seen. There is a much deeper story here. A story which reeks of the growing economic divide that is making America resemble Brasil more and more by the day.

    Finally, the trolling on social media has reached an unbelievable level. I’m not sure what the cause is, or the intended outcome, but it’s getting to be as annoying as telemarketing calls. What possesses people to spend what must amount to at least 8 hours a day, posting political memes and stories so devoid of fact and truth that anyone with a mind (and sadly it seems like there are a lot less of us these days) can see right through them. And the sources? Oy vey! And it’s on both sides of the aisle of course. People need to get a life. How miserable must your life be to find companionship surfing through echo chambers all day in the pursuit of the joy of trying to fool others. Pathetic really.

    This blog has always been unique in that we tend to be ahead of the curve in nearly everything. And between the occasional, left and right cheerleading, you will actually find people learning a lot about things for which they were formerly clueless. And the group think that occurs here yields such amazing conclusions. I truly hope that Grim keeps this baby up at least until I get paid in rum and bourbon and realistically, for a much longer time than even that. For it’s truly sad that the only place to really hear honest opinions instead of sugar coated newsbytes mixed with triple the conjecture, is here.

    So let’s all try to remain civil and stop posting shallow and transparent political idiocy. We are all much smarter than that. Except for Pumps who is still baiting the foolish among us.

    I’m beginning to yearn for those horrible Obama days.

  52. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Well…we lasted only so long. They are wreaking havoc in Trenton right now. Apparently cops are stationed at the Wal-Mart on US 130 in Hamilton anticipating looters.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Whoever doesn’t think China is a threat is naive.

    homeboken says:
    May 31, 2020 at 8:20 pm
    Nobody gives two shits about China? Is part of the “Come on, Man!” Playbook? China US relations are reaching a boiling point. If you aren’t concerned that a world power,with nuclear capability and a population 3x the size of the US, then good for you. I don’t have the luxury of being that naive.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “I know I’m repeating myself. But the overnight abandonment of every single pandemic mitigation measure that we’ve all been asked to abide by for the past three months is just stunning. And not one elected official — GOP or Dem — appears to give a fuc!”

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “I thought those “Re-Open America” protests were ridiculous and self-indulgent during a pandemic. At the time, the entire left/liberal media agreed. Now we have exponentially larger mass protests and riots. My view is the same. Can you guess what the left/liberal media thinks”

  56. SomeOne says:

    Lib, here is some relatively cheerful news:

    There is a big concern about social distancing.

  57. JCer says:

    Lib here is the issue if the officer’s actions were not typically fatal in most people he was not judge, jury or executioner. Resistance absolutely does matter, nobody is forced to join the police but at the same time people are clearly concerned about their own safety. If you value your life and safety you do not resist arrest, given the state of health of Mr. Floyd a taser might have killed him. Initially seeing the video I was disgusted but as more information is coming out it is less clear cut. If George Floyd just got in the police car he’d still be alive today, if he gave back the cigarettes he’d still be alive, perhaps if the officer didn’t restrain him for 7 minutes he’d still be alive but that is not an absolute. The details of the toxicology report are key as drugs could be key to his death(again prior history coupled with the issues of covid, unemployment, isolation, etc.. make it entirely possible he fell off the wagon). Again when the cause of death is cardiac arrest, is the permitted choke hold responsible for the death, a contributing factor and if so how significant of a tractor was it?

    Trump is an absolute moron but this has nothing to do with him. Frankly it’s the Minneapolis PD, it’s been an issue and is still an issue and no one is going to like the issues. The core issue in Minneapolis is the PD administered by people put in place by politicians for political reasons.

    Just my take, playing devils advocate. Again I might be totally off base. The only thing I know I’m not off base about is the riots, they are totally unjustified and unwarranted.

  58. Walking says:

    Libturd, congrats on your father hitting 86. My dad hit 84 but his life was pretty much over at 76. Construction and factory work took a beating on him even though he semi retired mid 50s. A note for those of you planing on retiring @72, don’t doit. Retire in your 60s as soon as you can Your body is like a a car with over 200k, enjoy your life as soon as your plan is ready. I only follow Florida as my Tennant’s there all under 35 don’t really notice it. My hope is sunlight mixed with spread out population hinders the spread there, and this may give us hope in NJ.

    I would add a note about the protesters or rioters. There seems to be a mix of college frat, hey let’s protest to protest, and hookup scene going on. From some of the videos I see everyone taking selfies in front of the police officers. Like it’s a tourist attraction . Very strange

  59. Libturd says:

    Yeah. I saw that story. I’ve also been to Flint to see Mighty Mo Rodgers, long before the water issue. I’m a sucker for good blues and 60s R&B.

    Also, not so sure the numbers are dropping nationally as a recent look at the charts are showing a leveling off at best. You still won’t find me without a mask if there are people in my breathing zone. IMO, 23,000 new cases a day is nothing to sneeze at nor is 1,000 deaths a day. You know, three more months of this and we’ll be at 200K (my original prediction).

    You know, I’ve been thinking about the whole “alpha” dog mentality that many Trump supporters espouse. I wonder how they like it now?

  60. Libturd says:

    I do appreciate your honesty and I’m not dismissing your opinion entirely as I used to share identical opinions. I used to be offended by such statements as, “it’s a black thing, you wouldn’t understand.” Or, “why are they destroying their own neighborhoods?”
    It wasn’t until I lived with ghetto roommates in college that I began to get it. It’s really, really tough for us white people to grasp the pain that blacks have in this country. Many have little family history. Most are descendants of slaves. Heck, not until I went through college were many blacks obtaining college degrees. These kids I roomed with would be the first in each of their families to obtain one. Sadly, the first two dropped out after my freshman year, but my roomate my second year was there on the Upward Bound program (not EOF) which differs greatly from EOF, and he did make it through and is quite successful. A very long time ago, I shared the difference between EOF and Upward Bound, but in short, it always comes down to earning the handout versus just being given one. I’ll continue tomorrow, because I have a long day ahead and need the sleep. But the short story is that, most blacks in this country are dealt a terrible hand at birth and there’s no real political will to change it.

    Can you imagine being the valedictorian of your high school and not being able to hail a cab or have someone watch you shop to make sure you don’t shop lift? And JCer, Uncle Floyd was most likely high and unaware of what he was doing when both passing a fake $20, which he might not have been aware of and when resisting arrest. The truth is, it doesn’t matter if he raped the cop’s wife. A court of law gets to decide his fate. It is what separates us from the second world. Finally, if you don’t see a systemic pattern of racist cops and profiling. Then you are as dumb as Pumps. It keeps happening and people are pissed. And we have a president, who should take one for the team and try to save our cities from unnecessary damage, who instead incites more violence through disgusting racial tweets. Trumpists can call me whatever names they want. They are flat wrong and in some serious denial. Yeah I know, TDS. Fake news. Pass. Pass. Pass.

    Good night and apologies in advance for my bad grammar. No time to proofread.

  61. Juice Box says:

    DeBlasio should resign. His own daughter was arrested Saturday night, she is a 25 year old adult who still lives at Gracie Mansion apparently. He did not implement a curfew and did not call in for backup or National Guard and now look at the mess. Those retailers have been forced to be closed for months, and now their stores have been looted and destroyed. Those rents and the cost to operate in NYC are the highest in the nation if not the world, many won’t be going coming back and now you can bet anyone with the means to exit NYC is going to do so. NYC is going to go straight down, it will be Deblasio’s legacy he will be the worst mayor they ever had worse than Even Dinkins.

  62. grim says:

    Fun data point. In the period from when Governor Murphy and the ABC allowed to-go cocktail sales to yesterday afternoon (5/21-5/31, 10 days) – we sold roughly 1100 to go cocktails. Not sure what to expect, really, but that’s a pretty substantial number. We bought pretty much every mason jar we could find in North Jersey.

  63. D-FENS says:

    Glad I got that .45

  64. grim says:

    You’d be better off with a bandana and a brick.

  65. homeboken says:

    Lib – This is an honest question, no snark. You say Trump should “take one for the team”

    What does that mean? I am also really frustrated that Trump hasn’t had a national address to at least try and calm people.

    I was thinking about how anyone leadership could help put a lid on this violence and it sounds like you have an idea.

  66. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The fake news industry certainly owns much of the blame for the excess destruction. It’s a never ending series of hoaxes.

    Instead of reporting facts, they wove together the narrative that is being used to justify attacking police, burning your neighbors workplace to the ground. They never stop pushing a racial discord even when it doesn’t quite fit.

    No one deserves to die for trying to pass a fake 20, and he should have been aided sooner, but it most certainly makes a difference if the guy was resisting arrest, and if his underlying health was frail.

    Then they lump the story together with the killing in Georgia, where the facts where nowhere close to established, and the “news” coverage becomes a battle cry. The fake news is the true enemy of the people, constantly pinning one group against another.

  67. D-FENS says:

    FBI was so busy trying to frame Trump and his associates that they allowed a home grown terrorist organization to grow right under their noses.

  68. ExEssex says:

    8:26 riiiight like white supremacists are some “good people”.


  69. NotFakeNews says:

    8:14 Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah

  70. Juice Box says:

    I believe in staying home to flatten the riots.

  71. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Esx, the left owns the riots. Completely and totally their doing.

  72. What’s the answer says:


    I’m sick of the race issue already. What exactly do they want to make this right and put an end to it? It’s 2020, and we must put an end to this. I don’t want to see riots 40 years from now over the same issue.

    Can’t just hand out money, poor has no color. And we all know eliminating poverty is impossible. That’s what this is really about…money. Dude didn’t have enough money for cigarettes and the rest is history.

    Most of these people rioting are simply mad at rich people after years of the media constantly attacking the 1%. Go ahead, take all the money from the rich, let’s all go poor in the name of equality.

    So what is the answer here? How do we put an end to this? Do we just have a lottery for which white individuals will give up their jobs to African Americans? What is the end game here? What is the plan?

    How bout all the white individuals that are sympathetic to the cause give up their job to African Americans and call it a day. Everyone is happy. So when are you giving up your job in the name of equality?

  73. ExEssex says:

    8:48 your opinion means nothing….

  74. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Wasn’t under their noses. It was right in their face. Antifa has been damaging businesses and assaulting people since 2016 right out in the open in front of police officers. The mainstream media even went on a PR campaign for them after Charlottesville.

  75. ExEssex says:

    8:52 geeeezus what an imbecile. Framing stupidity in the form of a question doesn’t make you “less stupid”….

  76. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:


    if you want to increase business, you can include towels and a lighter with the cocktails.

  77. D-FENS says:

    The “Fine People” narrative is a hoax. You are brainwashed.

    ExEssex says:
    June 1, 2020 at 8:36 am
    8:26 riiiight like white supremacists are some “good people”.


  78. What’s the answer? says:

    So what’s the answer genius? Let’s start with your wife giving up her job in the name of equality.

  79. D-FENS says:

    How many Trump supporters rioted yesterday?

    Sure yeah Trump supporters are violent Nazi’s.

    ExEssex says:
    June 1, 2020 at 8:56 am
    8:48 your opinion means nothing….

  80. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    Don’t be a tool. Look how foolish you’ve looked parroting them the past few years. All of it was a lie.

  81. ExEssex says:

    9:00 the answer my friend is blowin’ in the wind….the answer is blowin’ in the wind.
    We live in a world filled with injustice. But the police have had a very bad month. Shootings of African Americans just because isn’t the path and let these mobs let the asshooooole in charge that his BS posturing with bikers and proud boys ain’t helping.
    Let the establishment feel the earth move with the rumble of angry protesters. Meanwhile, many many folks are in it. We know what’s up. “We care” but not too much of course. There are limits.

  82. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    Sadly, the first two dropped out after my freshman year, but my roomate my second year was there on the Upward Bound program (not EOF) which differs greatly from EOF, and he did make it through and is quite successful.

    The EOF program is horribly run. They take a kid who came from substandard conditions and stick them straight into an engineering or science program on full ride. They aren’t proficient in Algebra 2 but they have to take a Physics course that dabbles in Calc as a freshman. They all drop out because of things like this. They need a 1 or 2 year bridge program. When I taught at Rutgers, I met a lot of kids in that program. They were good kids and good workers but put in a situation where they were guaranteed to fail. The worst part is, when they drop out, they don’t count them in their stats on the programs “success”.

  83. What’s the answer? says:

    If this an issue about the deaths of innocent african Americans, then why are people not rioting and looting on the blocks gangs own? They kill, terrorize, and hold down african Americans on a daily basis, yet only white cops are the problem. What am I missing here?

  84. ExEssexÁTiFa says:

    9:02 like True Trumpers, they stayed home and tweeter.
    Probably best to wait for better numbers. I figure Nazis
    Probably don’t like crowds of AntiFa along with the unusual
    Angry 6’8″! Angry African which btw, this middle aged
    Hebrew will dude with. Say whatever you will, but I know
    When push comes to shove the Nazis will kill me. No blacks
    Ever bothered me or my family. Nazis – white nationalists took took took.
    Just because they don’t like the crook of my nose nose nose beeeeatch.

  85. What’s the answer? says:

    And you care enough about equality, Essex, but not enough to sacrifice your quality of life to help it, correct? You want someone else to give up in the name of equality.

  86. Juice Box says:

    Friday ‘s unemployment report is expected to show a decline of 8 million jobs,, and unemployment is now closing in on 20%

    As a reference the during the Great Depression unemployment hit a high of 24.9%.

    They need to get everyone working, and for the young people they need to be let out of lock-down. The science says the do not get sick and die of covid19, open the bars and clubs and let them be young already and give them jobs otherwise this whole country is going to burn down this summer.

  87. ExEssex says:

    Nope not at all. When the protesters were scrapping I was winding the Puima (not Putin) Road in a perfectly dialed in M3 vert. I’ve had a tough couple of years and figure while Rome burns and traffic is light I’d ride the twisties and see what the new Bilsteins have to offer. Was not disappointed. It’s glorious. I’m over it. Putting myself in places of eminent danger, bad schools or underserved communities. I gave my pint of blood in the trenches and figure I’ll let someone else fight those battles. But gave I did.

  88. D-FENS says:

    If everyone agrees (Left and Right) that the cop should go to jail…what is the expected outcome? What are they protesting? Seems like everyone is on the same side.

  89. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The esx TDS mindset wants to see people attacking the police and burning down impoverished neighborhoods in order to weaken the President politically.

    Then we can bring in the Biden feel good clown show.

  90. ExEssex says:

    9:52 no you are wrong again. My mindset is to leave protests to those who are inclined to protest. This is generational. I support their decision to march in the streets. Beats burning crosses.

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Media/social media is going to start a world wide race war. Good job. Thirsty for money and clicks. Why would you continuously put out information that divides a nation. Do you have to cherry pick events and make it seem like they are happening on a regular basis in all parts of the country/world? Stop dividing the people…

    “This is so crazy it’s morning now in New Zealand and they’re marching for #BlackLivesMatter”


  92. ExEssex EppeEssen says:

    Lincoln was literally the last decent Republican .

  93. Grim says:

    Loser of a war doesn’t get to fly their flag.

  94. Fast Eddie says:

    What’s the answer,

    You made some compelling points.

  95. libturd says:

    There ARE lots of answers and solutions. They are not costly either. But I don’t have time to share now as I am truly overloaded at work.

    Some quick things, for those who care about my opinion on matters (not sure why :P)

    Home, by taking one for the team, a quick acknowledgement by Trump that there is a systemic issue of racism and profiling among the “thin blue line.” would stop the violence in it’s tracks. A simple, “We hear you and we will make fixing this a major priority (like building a wall),” could go a very long way. Claiming it’s all Antifa and tweeting the shootin and lootin, yeehaw white people sh1t is incites more violence.

    Our close friends have easily bought at least 20 of those to go drinks. I had a very strong root beer Saturday. I think it’s more about trying to support small businesses. Especially charitable ones (free sanitizer/yeah, with free publicity) like yours.

    D-Fens. You are 100% clueless about privilege. Sign up for uber with the name Dwayne Jefferson and see how many rides you are offered, for starters.

    What’t the Answer? Certainly not what we are doing. More tonight if I have any energy left. I am absolutely buried at work.

  96. Phoenix says:

    The problem is not the police, most are good. The problem is not the people, most are good. The problem is the justice system which works like a stupid flow chart based on stupid rules where it becomes a game of technicalities that you win or lose based on how wealthy you are-and is so stupid and non-self correcting that it is able to be weaponized with full force with just the phone call of one hysterical woman.
    Has our wonderful Amy Cooper aka Central park Karen spent a minute in jail? Why did social media have to do the job that our wonderful overpaid inefficient incompetent legal system failed to do? What would have happened to the man had he been dumb enough to stick around at the park waiting for the officers to arrive? Our justice system is like a hyperactive immune system having an allergic reaction to a peanut which is harmful but the system is too ignorant to recognize it. And this is where the officer is-the smarter ones are good, the dumber ones are really bad. Try and spot the liar-and try not to be biased, or sexist. Personally I would rather take my chances with a well programmed robot.

    We just spent 1 million dollars to keep a 90 year old alzheimers patient on a ventilator for a month, but killed a guy for 20 dollar bill. The man said “I can’t breathe.” Did they think he was lying, did they not care, did they not hear him? One of the protesters said, well they did not hear him, but they hear us now. Personally I thought that was a great answer. If 4 overweight police officers cannot control a man that is handcuffed and unarmed they are pretty pathetic. Personally I would drug test each one and I would not be surprised if they are not juiced. Doctors prescribe the gel to the men in blue all of the time.

  97. Phoenix says:

    correction “peanut which is not harmful”

  98. JCer says:

    What’s the answer. The problem is your suggestion is how we ended up here. Political and affirmative action hiring on the police force in Minneapolis is why the performance of their police force is so dismal, the top brass are not running a good department. Why in the name of god would they still be using and teaching choke holds there when the rest of the country isn’t? Why is a guy with 20 complaints alleging inappropriate use of force, patrolling the streets, I get the union, so you can’t fire him but you need to manage that even if it means finding a desk hob for him. Hiring people based on race over qualifications is wrong and doesn’t fix things it creates a bad workplace dynamic.

    If it comes out that the dude was high as a kite(also what drug is significant), that is likely the key contributing factor to his demise. Honestly the death is more likely covid related than the cops trying to kill him. Yes there was brutality, yes the officer used excessive force, yes the officers did not provide an appropriate response to someone who was in medical distress and yes the officer should face jail time.

    I surmise that the effects of covid lock down, boredom, and the loss of his job(no money) put this guy in a depressive spiral. He feel off the wagon, did a bunch of drinking and drugs. He was agitated by the arrest, struggled, had a panic attack which lead to a coronary. There was no murder, there was no intent to kill, it was a serious of unfortunate events and a man with a weakened heart from years of cocaine use.

    I also don’t think the guy was an angry big dude, his violent crime was a result of using. He probably was a “gentle giant”, but drugs do things to people. I know the type, I used to work in restaurant kitchen with folks on prison work release, mostly non-violent offenders, mostly people arrested for drugs. When clean I’m sure the guy was a nice guy, he was reformed and just doing his thing. When using people become very volatile and the issue with drugs is that it is hard to stay clean and struggles like losing your job and depression from the lock down totally is the impetus that could put someone over the edge.

    These “protests” have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Anyone hoping from Darth Cheeto to speak to calm things doesn’t realize that Trump never calms anything, he is gasoline and there is a fire. Like him or hate him one thing I think everyone can agree on is Trump is not a calming influence……ever. These riots are also related to COVID and a huge swarth of people sitting around with nothing to do now, no jobs and no future. People should have learned from the riots of the 60’s it will not help, it will not help anyone. The progress made in the 60’s was a result of MLK, it was a result of non-violent defiance of wrongs being committed against a people. Cities are still recovering from those 1960’s riot.

  99. 30 year realtor says:

    The losers are flying their flag more openly than at anytime in recent history. They are emboldened by Donald Trump who uses hate and division to rally his supporters. If you support Trump you either embrace racism or are willing to accept it to further your personal agenda.

  100. Phoenix says:

    1. Masks make the biggest difference.
    2.Older and sickest need them more than anything.
    3.Clean your damn hands before you touch your face to remove or install your mask and your chances of getting this are dramatically lower.
    4 Grandma in the nursing home with alzheimers is always going to touch her face and everything else and your are not going to stop her. Diligence in testing of staff and limiting visitors is the only hope with those who are unable to comply with the above rules.
    5. Let the youth have fun and spread the virus between each other, just not where the older generation hangs out-to try to get to herd immunity.In fact let them spread any virus they want, you only live once.

  101. Phoenix says:

    The only major problems I have ever had in my life have always been with white people and I work in a fully mixed environment.
    Go figure. No wonder it’s becoming the future minority. It’s the Karen’s that control the birthrate (my body, my choice) so I guess they did not feel like stepping up their game, too materialistic perhaps? Funny thing is many of them are racists as well so I guess they are creating the problem that they complain about in their heads.

  102. Fast Eddie says:

    If you support Trump democrats you either embrace racism or are willing to accept it to further your personal agenda.

    There, fixed it.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Big Bird on TV with Police commissioner Shea, he still does not want to impose a curfew tonight, even though they admitted the protesters were peaceful and after they the “peaceful protesters” went home the looters came out.

  104. D-FENS says:

    What’s your problem with Frederick Douglass?

    ExEssex EppeEssen says:
    June 1, 2020 at 10:14 am
    Lincoln was literally the last decent Republican .

  105. D-FENS says:

    Don’t assume you can read my mind.

    libturd says:
    June 1, 2020 at 10:30 am

    D-Fens. You are 100% clueless about privilege. Sign up for uber with the name Dwayne Jefferson and see how many rides you are offered, for starters.

  106. SomeOne says:

    @What’s the answer,

    About your @8:52 to Lib, how about reforms to the justice system that stops targeting poor and some minority groups

    About your @9:10 whataboutism, isn’t there a difference between cops and criminals?

  107. SomeOne says:

    @What’s the answer

    Pls ignore the @9:10 snark about whataboutism, sorry about that. People do feel more worried if the people that swore to protect and serve turn out to be the killers.

  108. Phoenix says:

    “Yes there was brutality, yes the officer used excessive force, yes the officers did not provide an appropriate response to someone who was in medical distress and yes the officer should face jail time.”

    Too bad the taxpayers are going to have to eat the cost of this. Police should have to have their own malpractice insurance just like other professions have to have. Let them pay for their mistakes instead of the public eating the cost, or better yet let the payouts come out of the pension plans. This way these guys will police each other as they love their twin engine speedboats when they retire at 45.

  109. 30 year realtor says:


    There is no doubt that their are racist Democrats. Many of them are the first to deny their racism.

    Please tell me if you deny if Trump uses hate and division to rally his base. Do you have an issue with the Trump supporters who fly the confederate flag? Do you understand why it is so divisive? Rhetoric matters.

  110. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Agreed the only people that ever did wrong by me were white. As for diversity, by the time I reached high school my neighborhood in the Bronx was 50/50 white, and Black and Puerto Rican. My neighbors were Jamaican, he and my Dad were good friends sharing gardening tips. By the early 90’s the realtors had flipped the neighborhood and it became section 8, and crack houses. All the working class minorities left, including my Father’s neighbor who pleaded with him to move. We finally got him out when he was mugged on the front stairs of his house. Good and bad in all races as my parents used to say. The Karen’s of the world are the biggest racists, they talk about diversity, but most have no experience with it, and they don’t want it in their Lilly white towns. Bunch of hypocrites!

  111. Juice Box says:

    re: Uber – Anecdotal when I was was staying at a so-so motel in a DC suburb last year I was using Uber to take me to the conference I was attending. Every driver was a black woman. It seems to me they would be discriminating against their own neighbors if what you say is true Lib. Uber fires drivers all the time, so I am not so sure it is the same thing as hailing a cab and the 3rd world cab driver refuses to pick you up, beacuase of your skin color. Uber will terminate right away if there is any complaint about racism.

    What I do see happening it was happens here in my hood, there are more drivers in the good neighborhoods because the rates per mile are higher, so less drivers in certain neighborhoods less pickups. Just 2 miles from me the rate for Uber drops allot on the west side of the NJ Parkway. Those people have to wait much much longer for a ride because the driver cannot make as much money in that neighborhood, and it’s nicer than mine, Bruce Springsteen lives there.

  112. No One says:

    Is anyone else surprised that the next generation does not want a color blind society with dedication to preserving individual rights? Instead they mostly want a racial justice society managed I suppose by Race Studies majors in government? If you don’t recite BLM talking points daily, you are a racist (and if you are white, you are racist and evil no matter what anyway). High schoolers and college students are absolutely soaked in this worldview.

    News media have obsessed over foreign involvement in US politics. Where are the investigators looking for ties between Antifa et al and Russia/China? They are absolutely loving this in their domestic propaganda and they love to sow discord in the US. I predict zero effort from lamestream media on this.

  113. JCer says:

    SomeOne, the issue is the problem is not the real issue. Crime is one of the biggest issues impacting urban communities, black, white and hispanic. A reduction in crime will have a bigger impact on reducing stop and frisk/profiling/police brutality than any feel good ideas. Crime has a tremendously negative impact on youth in these cities, the answer is not weakening policing to make people feel better, the goal needs to be engaging the community so they are onboard and support law enforcement. The problem is community policing has failed still, now instead of white officers killing blacks we have people of color doing the same thing. The community needs to work with the police and that has historically been the issue. The police are viewed as the enemy.

    America is a tale of two distinct experiences we have very high levels of crime by international standards yet outside of the cities we have almost no crime.

  114. ExEssex says:

    11:48 underground economy fueled by drugs, $$$ from being an ‘outlaw’, what could be more American? We celebrate the Outlaw in America.

  115. ExEssex says:

    America is a tale of two distinct experiences we have very high levels of crime by international standards yet outside of the cities we have almost no crime.

    This is the entire issue though my guess is that someone is getting Spaulding his coke:


  116. D-FENS says:


    Rioters just found an AR-15 in an abandoned police car and a hero immidiately pulled his gun and disarmed him.


  117. BoomerRemover says:

    D-FENS: This video is from yesterday and the hero is plain clothes. You’re like half of a news cycle behind.

  118. D-FENS says:

    No he is security do a news crew. I just quoted the tweet. Unpucker your sphincter

  119. Libturd says:

    Stop with the fukcin Antifa excuses you morons. Holy dumbasses. If you want to devoutly follow a racist who supports the flying of the confederate flag. Well, you reap what you sew. Sorry alpha dogs. But right now, you sound like a bunch of puzzy betas grasping at conspiracies and diversions (China/Antifa) every time the bankruptor in chief blows it. Which is all the time. Enjoy the remaining Summer and Fall as your continued embracing of this loser will leave you completely out of power. It’s simply astonishing how bad this president is.

    I can’t believe this moron is going to incite more damage to our cities.

  120. ExEssex says:

    BTW reliable sources tell me AntiFa is in fact directing this.
    So much for the ol’ passive “Soy Boi” image. This skatepunk has teeef:

    Oh yeahhhh: https://youtu.be/Itz2mIPNWYI

  121. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s simply astonishing how bad this president is.

    He’s going to be re-elected.

  122. D-FENS says:

    2 things are possible.

    You can like Trump.

    You can hate the confederate flag.

  123. D-FENS says:

    Those feelings don’t have to be mutually exclusive

  124. Libturd says:

    Or you can hate Trump, hate his supporters who know that the flag represents slavery and hate the flag as well.

    Eddie, he’s done. Stick a fork in him.

  125. LurksMcGee says:

    Not sure if this question was asked at any point but:

    With all of the damage going on in major cities, what is the likelihood that suburbs get a surge in interest for homebuyers? Combining this and the effects that covid had on densely populated areas, if I were 25-35 looking down the marriage and kids route, it would seem like a no brainer at this point.

  126. Juice Box says:

    History does Rhyme Folks. Nixon was elected in the wake of the 1968 riots.

    As far as who is organizing the violence look for the messaging on the MSM from the gang of eight, as they will be seeing the intel the FBI, NSA and Military intelligence has collected so far on the organizers of the violence.

    Adam Schiff
    Devin Nunes
    Marco Rubio
    Mark Warner
    Nancy Pelosi
    Kevin McCarthy
    Mitch McConnell
    Chuck Schumer

  127. SomeOne says:

    JCer, I believe we can have a stronger police presence while having more training, less militarization, more oversight/transparency, and more community involvement.

    Since crime is something that can be indirectly controlled (improved socio-economic conditions, stronger police-community relationships, and others), there is probably a good medium. What do you think?

  128. njtownhomer says:

    I am puzzled to see so many east coast Reagan republicans still supporting all actions behind the confederate flag and Trump leadership all the way. Where is the financial and moral discipline they cheered for. They endorse all the southern agenda and cruel corporatism with FED increasing the income divide more than ever. It is even after Trump pushed SALT on them and make them pay more everyday, and squeezed their states financially. To me they look like Central Park Karens.

    I am also puzzled to see democrats coalesce behind Biden. It is truly unacceptable to push an incompetent leadership and lack of agenda. Decay under HRC-like cloud and unclear policies and wasted opportunities.

    The future will devour both parties, believe me. We could guess where D’s are going, I fear R’s will not move to the center, but to an alt-right direction.

  129. Libturd says:

    You know what else isn’t mutually exclusive? Claiming the government does not have the right to tell you what to do with your body and then trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.

    Still waiting on those income tax returns. These audits take an awfully long time. Nothing to hide here. Except everything.

    Was talking with Gator this morning about how I said Trump wouldn’t be this bad, when I was comparing him to HRC during the runup to the 2016 election. I based my opinion on his past liberal positions on most policies and many interviews on Stern. Though, I clearly saw Trump’s brand of xenophobia and hate fueled by Breitbart and the like gaining popularity. I really didn’t think he would follow through. I always thought it was an unjustified means to obtain a more reasoned end. I didn’t really think he would waste billions of dollars on a wall. Gator reminds me every day how right I was about the election and how wrong I was about the man elected. His entire presidency was marred by negative event after negative event. Mark my words. The next election, both electoral college and the popular vote ain’t gonna be close. The youth are going to vote in this one. And many former Republican’s are not going to pull that lever for this bozo.

    The right can try and conjure up every tin hat conspiracy, diversion, lie, inconsistency, flip-flop and mistake the left either performed or occurred in their vast imagination. It matters none. This election is not about what the Left has done, has not done, will not do, or is going to do. This election is about removing the worst person a first world country has ever been duped into electing. I just hope and pray this moron doesn’t follow through with his “weak” tweets. For if he does, the damage will be immeasurable. If violence is used by the police or national guard (many of whom are black), it’s going to be Kent State all over again.

  130. Grim says:

    Uber and Lyft drivers do not see the name or photo of the rider before they accept a ride.

    In fact, they don’t see it until they swipe that they’ve arrived at the pickup location.

    This is specifically to prevent rider discrimination.

    They do, however, see your rider rating. So, if a rider is having a hard time getting picked up, they may have a really shitty score.

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you want to know just how big of pussies Antifa terrorists really are, please watch UFC fighter Jon Jones take spray cans away from these “comrades.”


  132. SomeOne says:

    The confederate flag should be disowned independent of whether the red team wins or the blue team wins, no?

  133. Sternie says:

    1:55 perceptive. Very well put.
    Trump like most narcissistic people has overplayed his hand.
    He’s not ” who we are”..

  134. What’s the answer? says:

    Freedom of speech, yet not freedom of ideas? Can we outlaw a flag? What road does that take us down in terms of personal liberties?

  135. JCer says:

    SomeOne, I actually disagree on the cause of elevated crime. Yes poverty is tied to increased crime but given the welfare system in most states that is not the key driver, by and large people are not committing crimes because their bellies are empty. Furthermore we will never get the economic level of people in the hood to the point where they really have something to lose.

    Drugs are the key element in inner-city crime. For the most part drugs and drug dealing are core to the crime problems we have. The need to buy drugs drives foolish crime at the street level and drug dealing drives homicides. People choosing a career in crime who aren’t in it for a drug fix tend to be a little smarter about what they are doing. All crime is a problem but violent street crime is particularly bad as it tends to impact regular folks and the criminal usually cannot make a living out of it, the penalties for violent street crime are also higher which has the added side effect of increasing our issues with incarceration in this country.

    The truth is the unintended consequence of breaking the Mafia(Italian and Jewish) was the void it left which was gladly filled by street gangs who are financed by foreign cartels.

  136. Libturd says:

    JCer. Yes. Drugs are a huge part of it. Still too busy.

  137. D-FENS says:

    Wow. Charlamagne tha God interviews Rush Limbaugh… good fcuking radio…


    Says alot that this interview was even possible.

  138. NJGator says:

    Grim – Will Watermelon Fresca be back on the menu next weekend? The South Paterson Painkiller was a perfect way to toast you and your trolling of Reopen NJ. Cheers!

    And your mason jars are being recycled as a home for Nick, our adopted sourdough starter. Because that’s how you quarantine in the Montclair area.

  139. crushednjmillenial says:

    Gov Murphy announces that we move to Stage 2 on June 15.

    June 22 opening for barber shops.

    His tone during the press conference is like he is doing NJ’s citizens a favor by re-opening. So benevolent . . .

    Too slow, this is ridiculous. If you look at new cases in NJ and deaths, both dropped dramatically on about May 7 and continued moving downward.

    I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage against Gov Murphy about how slow the re-opening is proceeding. I also don’t understand how the populace is not going crazy against the gov for how slowly unemployment is getting paid out.

  140. Phoenix says:

    At least someone likes Murphy. Maybe he will get the 500 Billion welfare loan for Pumpy and his colleagues.”Some of the call was constructive. At The president expressed support for governors who had not seen violence in their states, signaling out Gov. Phil Murphy (D-N.J.), saying he had done a “very good job” in responding to the protests. Trump has previously praised Murphy publicly for his efforts containing the coronavirus.

  141. joyce says:

    Disowning doesn’t necessarily mean outlawing. I think we should disown it; I do not think we should make it illegal to display it, etc.

    What’s the answer? says:
    June 1, 2020 at 2:27 pm
    Freedom of speech, yet not freedom of ideas? Can we outlaw a flag? What road does that take us down in terms of personal liberties?

  142. crushednjmillenial says:

    In his press briefing, Murphy just drew a sharp distinction between protesting over when to open NJ nail salons and protesting against the George Floyd-related issues. He was very dismissive toward the people protesting re-opening. He was very sympathetic toward the George Floyd protesters.

    The Governor specifically refused to tell people not to go protest for the sake of public health. He inexplicably is encouraging people to wear masks if they go protest (as if the masks are going to slow transmission when people are gathered, albeit outdoors, for hours in close proximity to 100s+ of strangers with everyone shouting). The “data” he is relying on for opening dates likely does not support his positions on the George Floyd protests.

    I imagine that Gov Murphy’s inner circle must not be including any voices of people representing small business. He just doesn’t seem to understand the extreme distress being felt by small business owners who have been shut down for 2.5 months and face an uncertain and dark future ahead. On the other hand, he seems to be overstaffed on people who emphathize with the plight of the black community in America.

  143. The Great Pumpkin says:


    There better get a couple more opinions. That doctor is a celebrity doctor. Hope they are not just lighting fuel on the fire. This is the same coroner that said Epstein’s death was a homocide. Why they would choose this guy is beyond me, but I hope he is being honest in his assessment.

  144. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I’m sorry, I’m not going to hold Trump responsible for some police officer killing someone being put under arrest. I’m not going to hold him responsible for the fact that leftists throughout the country decided it was time to burn and loot every city in the country on the same weekend.

    I would however, like to thank the people of Newark for protesting without breaking the law. The same goes for the people of Trenton during the day. I would also like to thank the police department in my current town along with the past 3 towns I’ve lived in (Hopewell, West Windsor, and Pennington) along with Bucks County PA police departments for getting control of the thugs that tried to riot in Trenton last night before it got out of hand.

  145. FakeNewsHoaxes says:

    The fact that the dialog went from the police brutality to the confederate flag tells you how strong the propaganda is. Joe Biden cannot win without stirring racial animosity.

    This guy is now a klansman? Married to a Vietnamese woman? Lol ok.

    I would factor his pending divorce or the poor guys underlying health but that doesn’t advance the narrative.

  146. leftwing says:

    “I don’t understand why there isn’t more outrage against Gov Murphy about how slow the re-opening is proceeding.”

    Because collectively the taxpaying population of NJ is thoroughly pussified and petrified.

    You expect them to care about the speed re-opening when they are indifferent that:

    You pay the second highest income tax rate in the continental US.
    You pay the highest effective real estate tax rate in the country.

    For this:
    You have the lowest credit rating in the country, the state is effectively bankrupt.
    Your towns’ schools go without while academic sinkholes take your money.
    Your towns yield millions in resources to fund COAH.

    Seriously, the NJ taxpayer/voter has to be literally the slowest, dumbest animal on earth. No other species (or citizen of another State) would stand there and just watch their sustenance taken from them.

  147. ExEssex says:

    5:00 well… the closer you are to the mothership yes. Northern NJ is absolutely slaughtered by high taxes. I’d like to think that we are in the second inning of this rather massive shift in Human Resources and brick and mortar. Which will in turn reduce the tax base. When that occurs anything can happen! It’s a rabbit hole NJ hasn’t really visited. The absolute desolation that could greet the budgets of these localities could lead to untold changes. Or there’s a gas tax..

  148. leftwing says:


    Just boggled by the complacency of NJ taxpayers. which, they of course, then want to export to other states.

  149. chicagofinance says:

    Maybe people can afford the property tax and it is low priority compared to other things.

    leftwing says:
    June 1, 2020 at 5:00 pm
    Seriously, the NJ taxpayer/voter has to be literally the slowest, dumbest animal on earth. No other species (or citizen of another State) would stand there and just watch their sustenance taken from them.

  150. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    7 pm curfew for my town and surrounding towns. They want us to shelter in place indoors.

  151. ExEssex says:

    The midnight gang’s assembled
    And picked a rendezvous for the night
    They’ll meet ‘neath that giant Exxon sign
    That brings this fair city light
    Man there’s an opera out on the Turnpike
    There’s a ballet being fought out in the alley
    Until the local cops
    Cherry Tops

    Rips this holy night
    The street’s alive
    As secret debts are paid
    Contacts made, they vanish unseen
    Kids flash guitars just like switch-blades
    Hustling for the record machine
    The hungry and the hunted
    Explode into rock’n’roll bands
    That face off against each other out in the street
    Down in Jungleland

  152. ExEssex says:

    I always thought you got a lot more for your money in a Jersey compared to NYC.
    But that middle class dream ain’t cheap.

  153. Juice Box says:

    Buckle up, it’s about to get way way worse.


  154. joyce says:

    I wonder what exigent circumstances they’re claiming to have the legal authority to do that. Are there riots in your town? Even that is not enough.

    Blue Ribbon Teacher says:
    June 1, 2020 at 5:32 pm
    7 pm curfew for my town and surrounding towns. They want us to shelter in place indoors.

  155. ExEssex says:

    And this final note:
    “Now is the time to go big” to keep America from dividing into two separate and unequal societies, Robert Johnson said in a CNBC interview Monday.
    Johnson said reparations would send the signal that white Americans acknowledge “damages that are owed” for the unequal playing field created by slavery and the decades since.
    The wealth divide and police brutality against blacks are at the heart of protests that have erupted across the nation following last week’s killing of George Floyd during an arrest in Minneapolis.

  156. chicagofinance says:

    I don’t know why….. I am finding this music calming as I work into the evening this Monday in June….. helps me to focus…. not joking….

  157. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Money, huh? That’s what it will take to put this to rest.

    It’s just funny, jews experience a hell of a lot of racism. They still make that money.

  158. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Unbelievable. Our society is in trouble. Why do a few people’s actions have the ability to destroy our society.

    I would not want to be a cop right now. They don’t get paid enough now…

  159. D-FENS says:

    Black cops. Doesn’t fit the narrative

    Juice Box says:
    June 1, 2020 at 6:15 pm
    Buckle up, it’s about to get way way worse.


  160. Juice Box says:

    Old video anyway, my bad

  161. Bystander says:

    You can pretend you are not Jewish, unless you look like Mitch from Real Genius..genius.

  162. grim says:

    Will Watermelon Fresca be back on the menu next weekend? The South Paterson Painkiller was a perfect way to toast you and your trolling of Reopen NJ. Cheers!

    I believe so, but preorder as soon as you see it come up, I think we only do about 24 of them, because it’s a pain in the ass.

    For everyone else, the south paterson painkiller is not heroin, thanks.

  163. Bystander says:

    Trump holding a Bible while getting armed forces ready to attack citizens..wow, the Orange Insane clown posse is delusional.

  164. Libturd says:

    Holy crap is work kicking my ass. I still have to run out the hardware store and then write a postpartum for some fires that I put out today at work.

    Grim, thanks for the Uber correction.

    Just so tired.

  165. Fabius Maximus says:

    Wow where to start.

    Lib, glad to see people finally coming to the realization of where we are. There are a lot of people even on this board that just don’t get the concept of White Privilege and what it truly means.

    But to what we are seeing today. There is no real thing called Antifa. There are people on the left that hate fascists and will fight them on the streets, but that’s not what we are looking at here. Donnie and co, will use it as a boogeyman to scare up the base and use as a cover for what comes next.

    Whats we see in these riots are 4 groups.
    1) the simple criminal. There are always a few.
    2) The Left wing Anarchists. Not many and not that effective.

    3) the right wing agitators. The Bois are getting their warm up Luau. Clip after clip of https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/01/dhs-domestic-terrorists-protest-294342

    4) The paid agitators. Remember when I said that I knew the Tea Party was a fraud when the wrapped bus showed up. Whats I’m seeing and hearing those same things again. Just like the bois, look at those white dudes in full Body gear walking around with a hammer and a burner cell phone. Anyone notice that attempted Coup in Venezuela a few weeks back?

  166. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Supposedly there is riot at the Walmart in Garfield right now

  167. leftwing says:

    “Maybe people can afford the property tax and it is low priority compared to other things.”

    No problem. If the highest taxes in the nation are a low priority financially and one doesn’t care about the concurrent record debt. Their money.

    Just then stop whining like a bunch of little b1tches over federal subsidies for those taxes and the sh1tty financial condition.

    Can’t have it both ways…big spender I don’t care about the bill and then hit up the other guy for money. Pussies.

  168. grim says:

    Did I get banned from ReopenNJ?

  169. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Explain to me why nothing was made of the video shared by Juice. To the point that no one is this group knew it was an old video. If that was two white officers in that video, our country would be rioting. Why? They would automatically assume racism was the cause because they are white. Why is it assumed that all white people are racist? Why is it assumed all white people are privileged? Eminem is direct evidence of whites not being racist and privileged. Some, for sure, but all…get out of here.

    Give me one example of racism you experienced in nj this year. Maybe I’m just blind or racist myself, but I don’t see racism in my day to day life in nj. So why does the media paint this picture of extreme racism? Because a white cop killed a black man? So now the entire country is racist? How do we even know the cop was racist?

    I hate racism, and if I personally see it, I’ll do my best to stop it. Do I see it in my personal daily life, not really.

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s not cool to scold white people if you want them to work with you. Yelling and screaming that you are racist and privileged is probably not going to work on helping to fix their mindset. You have to come at it in a non combative means and you will get better results. Using it as an attack or put down solves nothing.

  171. D-FENS says:


    I almost can’t believe what I’m seeing. POTUS just walked out the front door of the White House and into Lafayette Square – the epicenter of the DC protests – to visit historic St. John’s Church, which was set on fire last night

  172. grim says:

    Whats we see in these riots are 4 groups.

    Just regular people, caught up in the situation. It’s probably far easier to get caught up in the emotion of the situation than most realize. I feel like given the chance, people will likely take out that frustration, and it spreads pretty quick. Grab a stack of old plates, go out back and smash one. Pent up frustration, it feels pretty good. Pepper in some anonymity, and there you go.

    Paid actors? Cops in costumes? Bricks being dropped off by Soros? Domestic terrorists? C’mon.

    I think we’ve all forgotten just how destructive the average person can be.

  173. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Chi hit it on the head. I tried to explain this to you guys but you don’t get it. My family income is over 300k…my property are 18,000. My daughter uses the school system. Area is safe and nice. Lower my property taxes by 75% to 4,000 a year. So I’m saving 14,000 grand a year….let’s throw a party. Not trying to sound like a di!k, but is that extra 14,000 grand a year going to make that much a difference to me, especially if it is at the expense of the public education system? Great, saved on my taxes, but now the schools suck and I have to send my daughter to private school for 25,000 a year. Now I’m losing money. Winning!!

  174. 3b says:

    Ex Essex: There was an article in the FT today about how much additional office space financial companies would need in London to bring everyone back safely, basically said won’t be an issue as many won’t be coming back as there will be more work from home and geographical relocation.

  175. ExEssexEssen says:

    8:17 totally. I gave myself a covid haircut. Now I’m banned from ever cutting my own hair.

  176. grim says:

    I have a mohawk, look like DeNiro in Taxi Driver.

  177. grim says:

    Murphy looking to borrow $14 billion.

  178. 3b says:

    When I started in muniland back in the day, NJ was a high grade Aaa rated by both as we used to say.

  179. 3b says:

    My Dad an immigrant without much education, but who read a lot if Black people had been given a chance and an opportunity to succeed, we would not have all the racial problems we have. He said that years ago. He could never understand how a wonderful country like America could treat Black people so miserably.

  180. Fabius Maximus says:


    I don’t want to part of the “Dump on Pumps” movement in here. I think you should be able to have your own opinion and be able to state it without the snark replies.
    A lot of your opinions I would disagree with. But take solace in the fact that you are not alone. There are many in here spouting, lets call it, more “intellectual and nuanced BS” than you.

    I don’t say that they are wrong. I just disagree with their view, but respect that it’s their opinion and they have the right to hold it.

    As to what was posted? You almost answered your own question. Let me correct your statement.

    “Maybe I’m just blind […] , but I don’t see racism in my day to day life in nj. ”

    Reflect on why you are not seeing it and at some point you may see the light!

  181. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s the idea behind Abbott funding. But you need parents to hold their kids accountable for their grades…otherwise grades are meaningless to the students and the effort/results reflect it. I work in the hood, I try my best to help for a very very long time. I don’t give up, but I know by this point in my career that I’m going to lose this battle.

    I know the real battle is not giving up. I am the Vietcong, and the only way I win this battle is by not giving up…

    3b says:
    June 1, 2020 at 8:34 pm
    My Dad an immigrant without much education, but who read a lot if Black people had been given a chance and an opportunity to succeed, we would not have all the racial problems we have. He said that years ago. He could never understand how a wonderful country like America could treat Black people so miserably.

  182. Fabius Maximus says:


    Yes, this guy just got a little exuberant at the protest.


    Worth watching the comments to see that Sh1tHead get cold clocked.

  183. grim says:

    Who brought the cosplay nerd?

  184. Fabius Maximus says:

    My personal favorite, burn down the courthouse while sporting your Wh1teNat Tats!

  185. JCer says:

    Pumps, on racism. I actually do see it fairly often. People are not going to like what I observe. Mostly Indian/Chinese against Black or White. Against the white folks it’s mostly exclusionary where as against the black folks it’s straight up racist. Most american born and raised folks of all backgrounds/races in the north east at least in our generation are not overtly racist.

    What we have are a lot extremely board and pent up people now causing havoc. Are there some paid agitators, yes. It is the amplifying effect. Regardless of political beliefs Soros is pure unadulterated evil, nothing is going to make me believe he is acting from a position of altruism. He creates disasters and panic usually with a way to profit off of it.

    Covid haircuts suck, it’s really only better than not having a mop on your head. Essex is your new name a deli reference in livingston?

    Bystander, it’s not that easy most people seem to be able to identify most jewish folks as jewish. Just as most folks can identify the Italians, even if they aren’t carrying a pizza wearing an I heart ROME t-shirt.

  186. ExEssex says:

    Yessir. Spent many happy hours at Eppes Essen.

  187. NJGator says:

    Grim – You’re out, but Moose is still in. I guess my only entertainment there now will be my HS classmate bragging about her rebel status for daring to go maskless at Wegmans.

    I’ll still toast you with a Watermelon Fresca.

  188. Blue Ribbon Teacher says:

    I wonder what exigent circumstances they’re claiming to have the legal authority to do that. Are there riots in your town? Even that is not enough.

    So my town borders Trenton. Last night, the cops from several neighboring towns and PA were deployed to all the shopping centers and into Trenton. They squashed the riot pretty quickly. My guess is, it’s a lot easier to do that without the media reporting.

    Word on the street is that people are looking to target homes or businesses outside of Trenton with American flags on the outside. There’s reasonable intel that the rioters, since they were shut down last night, want to bring it to the neighboring towns. So, Lawrence, Ewing, and Hamilton all have 7 pm curfews with shelter in place orders. I just finished barricading all my doors and took ample preparations for self defense. They don’t want anyone on the roads either. My guess is, they plant to stop whoever is on the road.

  189. grim says:

    He totally looks like the guy who looted both Kate Spade and Lululemon in lower Manhattan too.

  190. grim says:

    Grim – You’re out, but Moose is still in.

    Ah f*ck. It was my response to Moose’s post. A little too direct?

  191. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Maybe I have to take a look in the mirror.

    I do not wish to be racist. It’s ignorance at its highest level.

    I also do not wish to be some over dramatic blaming racism for everything. You were dealt a bad hand, we get it, but don’t throw away your life. Prove them wrong, beat them at their own game. Go compete and win, but don’t sit here and drown in pity. Go and try to win.

  192. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Meaning, if I don’t see day to day racism, maybe it makes me Racist.

  193. Libturd says:


    Three things about that photo op. I just sat down and turned on the news.

    First, it appears that lots of rubber bullets and tear gas were used to clear his way.

    Second, he is clearly wearing protection.

    Third, he looks like the preacher in Blazing Saddles holding that bible up in the air like that.

    You know what would be brave? Dropping the facade and showing some humility instead of inciting further mayhem.

  194. grim says:

    What though, no talk of China and Russia inciting violence through social media? Find that far more likely than people delivering truckloads of bricks in advance.

  195. Fabius Maximus says:


    Soros, really!

    OK board, History Lesson. Why is Soros held out as this big Boogeyman. you would think, multi billionaire would be totally on Team World Domination (Right).

    The answer goes back to 1992 when he Fcuked the Thatcher Tories so hard, those right wing wack jobs (and their American counterparts), never forgave him.

    So what did he do? Thatcher took the UK into the ERM and very unfavorable terms. Soros took a big short position and when the Pound went south the Bank of England had to pump in Liquidity to support it. Soros was on the other side, ringing the bell. When Major, then Prime Minister and Lamont the Chancellor cried “Uncle” mid morning, the damage was done. Soros made 1 Billion in a day and this was the 90s. The resulting recession caused the Conservatives to lose the next election and Labor took over for the next decade. The right never forgave him and made him the Bug Bear.

  196. Fabius Maximus says:

    Put this in context.


    We are at a big pivot point here. Macro just got his big promotion to Burrs place, got his first briefing and “Yea, we gotta pivot!”

    That’s how bad it is.

  197. joyce says:

    Is Team World Domination similar to globalists?

  198. grim says:

    Let me translate that into American English for everyone.

    Billy Ray Valentine: OK. Pork-belly prices have been dropping all morning, which means everybody’s sitting in their office, and they’re waiting for them to hit rock bottom so they can buy cheap and go along. So people that own the pork-belly contracts are going batshit ’cause they’re thinking, hey, we’re losing all our damn money. And Christmas is around the corner. And I ain’t going to have no money to buy my son the G.I. Joe with the Kung Fu grip, OK? And my wife ain’t going to want to – my wife ain’t going to make love to me ’cause I ain’t got no money, right? So they’re sitting there, and they’re panicking. They’re screaming (shouting) sell, sell because they don’t want to lose all their money, right. They’re out there panicking right now. I can feel it. They’re out there. They’re panicking. Look at them.

  199. Fabius Maximus says:

    Now Billy Ray is sitting on a beach, directing BLM while sipping Root of All Evil Singles!


  200. Fabius Maximus says:

    Reporter: “Is that your bible?”

    “It’s *a* bible.”

    –the president of the United States

  201. Fabius Maximus says:

    The Neville Chamberlain memes will be out before dawn!


  202. Fabius Maximus says:

    Hey Gary, Are We Great yet?


    As we go through this, everyone here has to ask themselves are you still with Donnie?

  203. D-FENS says:

    Park service warned them 3 times to disburse

    Fabius Maximus says:
    June 1, 2020 at 10:29 pm
    Hey Gary, Are We Great yet?


    As we go through this, everyone here has to ask themselves are you still with Donnie

  204. D-FENS says:

    Dude is literally strolling around DC rn like a boss


  205. Fabius Maximus says:

    Park service warned them 3 times to disburse

    Why, Lafayette has always been the compromise. It has been always been there for those protests that they don’t want outside the WH. There have been Homeless Vets that have protested there for years.

    Here it is, clean out for a path so Donnie can have his photo op. The pastor of the church effectively told him to go pound sand.

  206. Fabius Maximus says:

    I’ll walk round DC looking like a boss, with that Security Detail !

  207. Fabius Maximus says:

    Let me clarify that, I’ll walk around anywhere with that detail!

  208. LurksMcGee says:


    I’ve been watching people dump on your opinions here for a few years and thought they were bullying. But on the racism topic, you’re truly ignorant (in the nicest way, as in you simply don’t understand).

    For you to understand why “compete, beat them at their own game” isn’t so simple, here as 15 minute illustration on how wealth gap racially gets called into play today (as 3b’s father poignantly described)


  209. Fabius Maximus says:

    Hey D-FENS

    .45 at a dollar a round? How much you hoarding?

    I told you you go 22.

  210. Fabius Maximus says:

    Pretty much sums it up.

    “Let us be clear about what happened today. @realDonaldTrump threatened to send the military to “dominate” protestors, his advisors referred to our streets as the battlespace,” and he ordered the military to use force on peaceful demonstrators so he could stage a photo op.”

    Gov Cuomo on CNN on Trump’s police and military imposed walk to church: “It was shameful.”

  211. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Who had a 300 year start? Some bias in how that video presents its argument. My grandparents came 60’s. How did I have a 300 year start? How bout all the other minority groups that came here not even speaking the language in the past 50 years? How did they get ahead, esp the Asians? So it’s a little reach to cry other Americans had a 300 year start on african Americans.

    There are plenty of poor white Americans that have been poor for generations since the 1800s. So why didn’t they improve their lot since the author makes it seem so easy.

  212. Fabius Maximus says:

    One BIG thing to realize in all of this. These news crews both foreign and domestic have covered events from one war zone to the next ACROSS the GLOBE.

    Be it Lebanon, Iran, Uganda, their neutrality was never questioned. They were allowed to report without this. The US just crossed a Rubicon it should not be proud of.

  213. LurksMcGee says:

    You’re parents came here able to work and not worry about getting a loan to start a business or buy property in an area that other black people couldn’t. Simply put there were far greater opportunities for them to start from the beginning.

    As for the existing ones that did have 300 years to not be poor, they at least started at better point.

  214. The Great Pumpkin says:


    It’s like telling Zuckerberg that he couldn’t be richer than buffet(zuck is now) because buffet had a head start. It’s nonsense.

    And what is the point of the video? Buy assets and invest? No kidding.

    Did all whites make big money in real estate? They make it seem like investing in real estate is a no brained slam dunk. All you have to do is be white and buy a house, and poof, you are filthy rich. Get out of here, wish that was the case.

  215. ExEssex says:

    11:0o what are you a mob assassin?
    Very little stopping power with that .22

  216. The Great Pumpkin says:


    No doubt, racism did wrong to African Americans. Everyone agrees.

    Did bad choices also play a role? Can’t stress how important it is to be a good father and mother to children. That matters more than anything. I see a lot of african Americans being raised by their grandma. Those kids never had a chance. How can we ignore the value and impact of being there for your kids?

    Racism is horrible, but its impact is no match for the negative impact of abandoning your children of real parents. How could you do that to your own kids? Ruthless. How can you have 4 baby mommas and expect to grow your family’s wealth and provide a good quality of life for your kids? You can’t…

  217. njtownhomer says:

    They didn’t have 300 years here. Come on. There was clear discrimination, bias and social abuse almost till WW2. Barely a few decades were there but it was not tabula rasa.
    Incoming immigrants from everywhere had a much easy time.

    As racism, it is equally worse in Europe. There is not much police action there, but the scent is much thicker. That comes with the centuries of colonialism.

  218. leftwing says:

    “OK board, History Lesson. Why is Soros held out as this big Boogeyman…The answer goes back to 1992 when he Fcuked the Thatcher Tories so hard, those right wing wack jobs…Thatcher…silver…The resulting recession caused the Conservatives to lose the next election and Labor took over for the next decade. The right never forgave him and made him the Bug Bear.”

    Yeah, a convoluted conspiracy theory with the “Right” at fault of course could be the reason.

    Or maybe it’s just the much more obvious and direct cause: his fcuked up leftist, globalist, America-is-the-demon, long term view.


    You Lefties have totally lost it. TDS has literally rotted your brains. Trump has beaten you…he is so into your head your are literally deranged.

  219. D-FENS says:

    Yemeni shop owner in NYC defending his store last night. Welcome to America brother.


  220. Bystander says:

    How the f is Blumpy a history teacher? I would not trust you to read a Dr. Seuss book to a KG class. Seriously, go sit at one of your students desks. That is where you should be. Not knowing a thing about Jim Crow laws and comparing African American plight to recent immigrants..you just can’t be this dumb and racist then teach children. Holy sh%t.

  221. Bystander says:

    Blump’s “300K income”

    -Alpha wife 200k
    -Blumpy’s job to post all day 60k
    -Granny’s gift equity 40k

    What horse is pulling the cart here?

  222. D-FENS says:

    David Dorn. Black man murdered by looters on Facebook live.


  223. D-FENS says:


    Don’t get upset at the guy filming it. He called 911 before rolling and spent the rest of the 13 minutes (that’s how long the video is) fending other looters off from the store

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