C19 Open Discussion Week 42b

From NJ Spotlight:

Tracking sites suggest early vaccinations lagging in NJ

New Jersey officials say they are pleased with how the state’s coronavirus vaccine program has launched at hospitals, and health care and labor leaders reported few significant glitches with the process to date.

But questions remain about the pace of immunizations at the hospital-based vaccine clinics, which began administering the vaccines to at-risk health care workers early last week, and state officials declined Tuesday to provide updated data on how many sites are now operating and how many people have been immunized thus far.

New York Times analysis of the first week of vaccine shipments reported that New York state administered 19,000 doses of the Pfizer product, or 22% of the 87,750 doses it received. West Virginia used nearly 2,800 doses, or 17% of its initial shipment; Rhode Island administered more than 1,200 doses, or 12% of its early allotment; and Massachusetts dispensed 6,200 doses, some 10% of what it got from federal officials.

New Jersey initially received 76,000 vaccines and had administered less than 2,200 by Friday, or under 3% of the total received, according to the Times. By Sunday afternoon, state officials said, some 8,700 people had been immunized at 26 hospital-based clinics, but they declined to provide updated figures Tuesday.

Data reported by the Washington Post on Monday — which included new shipments and inoculations provided over the weekend — indicated the pace of immunizations was accelerating in some states. By then, New York state had administered 38,000 doses (17% of total deliveries), Florida had immunized 43,700 people (using 14% of its supply), and Pennsylvania had inoculated 17,700 individuals (10% of its shipments), despite a slow start the first week.  (The Post still listed New Jersey as administering less than 2,200 doses.)

Murphy’s office declined Tuesday to respond to questions about the rollout or provide updated figures on New Jersey’s progress. The DOH also declined to share new vaccination totals, suggesting updates would be made available at the governor’s regularly scheduled briefing Wednesday.

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147 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 42b

  1. grim says:

    Covid-19 Vaccine Doses Administered as of Wednesday morning:

    California – 70k
    Illinois – 63k
    Texas – 60k
    Florida – 50k

    New Jersey – 9k (rounded up)

  2. Nomad says:

    Some insights into commercial real estate from Jonathan Lit who runs the
    Land & Buildings hedge fund.

    Replace DOT with .


  3. Phoenix says:

    This one tops her. Love the leggings. Thinks she is one hot mama..

  4. Phoenix says:

    Older women used to have class. Now they are either like this one (probably a repup) or like Nancy Pelosi (Super Cringeworthy)

    I’ll take an Elizabeth Montgomery or Mary Tyler Moore over that skeletor.

  5. ExEssex says:

    Looks like the gubmint really annoyed the regular folks with their long-awaited $6oo bailout.

  6. ExEssex says:

    7:44 they’re dead fwiw

  7. Hold my beer says:

    She looks like the woman that was in front of me at the Wendy’s drive thru Sunday night. Took her 9 minutes to order takeout from Wendy’s. The entire time she was talking into the intercom and moving her hands and head. I should have recorded it for you. Except take out Tammy had those 1950s horn rimmed librarian style glasses

  8. Phoenix says:

    Yup. Sad, isn’t it. Now we have freaks yelling at store clerks and making weird faces in public. Now there is progress.

    I hope Trump gets it boosted to 2k. Last check went to my ex as she filed on my year. This has been corrected. Maybe, just maybe, I might get an ounce of this one as I have dependents who need things.

    Tons of stories where people who did not have custody or had shared custody lost money thanks to our wonderful folks at the IRS who like every other govt run system can’t get anything right.

  9. Phoenix says:

    At work last night. Listening to one of our youngest who just got engaged complaining how she caught him cheating. How she was going to track the other girl down and beat her to a pulp, yet never realizing how grating and annoying she is. It does not surprise me in the least.

    In my head I kept oscillating between how sorry I feel for her ( I don’t want to wish anything bad on this one as I save it for a certain few) and yet she is as abrasive as 50 grit sandpaper. I think I will let sorry win on this one as she is just a kid.

  10. Phoenix says:

    Heard through the grapevine one in my town got punted down the stairs by her husband.
    2 high school age kids. Sad, what will they think? Dad will most likely go to jail. She will take the house, the money, and the kids.
    Happy Holidays.

  11. grim says:

    Congrats to the redneck backwater states of Louisiana, West Virginia, and Georgia for all beating NJ in vax administration.

  12. Hold my beer says:


    She should send the other girl a thank you note. The guy will always be like that. Of course it will take her 15 years, 2 kids and 20 more pounds to realize that.

  13. Juice Box says:

    What no transfer of followers? The travesty of it…

    “In 2020, Twitter has informed us that as of right now the Biden administration will have to start from zero,” Flaherty said.


  14. Bystander says:


    My favorite cheating story (outside the usual manager b&nging his underlings; too common) was this young guy in accounting. He was sort of Clark Kent looking nerd. Apparently two months before his wedding he met girl on a train, who also worked in building but different company. They had a fling or something and she broke it off. We all worked on large open trading floor so the 400 people left saw everything that happened. Police show up and cuff him at his desk. Come to find out that he went psycho, created a fake email account and was sending her life threatening emails for over a month. Girl reported it, police got IP attached and he was hauled of. So he got arrested, lost his job and lost his fiancee in a single day. Might have lost CPA but not sure on those rules. Arrogant little twerp. The worst part for him is that he has a real unique last name so he could not even escape a quick google search.

  15. Phoenix says:

    Yeah, thinking the same thing. She was already reaching though as she is a tad portly, abrasive (as mentioned earlier) and narcissistic. Guy is a firefighter so he dampens panties everywhere with that career and pension.

    Just looking at my unlit Christmas tree. Don’t even care to turn it on. Kids decorated it, but freak ex told them when they were around 6 year old that she was Santa Clause and that the guy did not exist. Holiday went totally worthless that year. I’ll never forget the anger they had being told that.

  16. Phoenix says:

    It’s his own undoing. What a donkey. When I think back about all of my ex’s (except for the cretin I married) I have good memories, even the ones who dumped me. That’s just part of life. What is not part of life is using your children as a weapon in order to profit financially. Now you have global thermonuclear war.
    Everything else I would have overlooked. But that-nope, never. Ever.

  17. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If people like this guy are correct, what does that say about the future?

    No retail will exist. Everything will be bought and sold online. Why will people leave the house? Where the hell are they going to go? If retail goes, as does the office, what happens to restaurants? They are dead. Restaurants survived on business meetings and office workers, esp high end ones.

    The worst thing about closing down offices in the name of profit, there goes the creativity factor. Giant sucking sound in terms of creativity with business ideas.

    What’s next…virtual vacations. Man, we live in the real world people! It’s a beautiful world. Wake the f’k up and push back before your life becomes attached to the digital world instead of the real world. Don’t let them ruin our lives in the name of a dollar. Once you open that door, you can’t come back.

    Don’t be surprised if one of your kids never gets married because he is busy with a fantasy girl on VR. These geeks are ruining life. Trying to remove the real world and replace it with a digital one.

    Nomad says:
    December 23, 2020 at 6:31 am
    Some insights into commercial real estate from Jonathan Lit who runs the
    Land & Buildings hedge fund.

    Replace DOT with .


  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Wtf is wrong with some people?! I don’t know how you survived her…

    “Just looking at my unlit Christmas tree. Don’t even care to turn it on. Kids decorated it, but freak ex told them when they were around 6 year old that she was Santa Clause and that the guy did not exist. Holiday went totally worthless that year. I’ll never forget the anger they had being told that.”

  19. Phoenix says:

    So many of them lie. All day. I was married to one, I watch them do it at work all day, I read it online.
    But somehow, somehow, they are always on a pedestal, they cannot do wrong, they get no jail time for crimes that would put a man away for life, they can kill their husband and still be seen as victims, get special treatment everywhere.

    The only thing that has ever put even a dent in that pedestal has been video recordings. Thank you to all of the engineers and scientists whose technology has given us a glimpse into the secret lives of those who cannot do no wrong. Of course it would be nice if the court systems would take a look, and some action, on these wrongs in our society. But how can they when they are banging down doors of naked old people at gunpoint on camera and having to explain themselves, or shooting others while not turning on their cameras as per policy.

    Transparency is good for all. Not some, but all.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Pumps that’s only the tip of the iceberg. If we should ever meet I will show you and have you listen to things that will make your head spin. Literally.

    The system promotes this as there is so much profit in turmoil, and they love to look like heroes.

    Most of what these so called “heroes” do is only because they have technology that the nerds they made fun of in high school developed and invented these things for them. The “nerds” gave them night vision cameras, the tracking devices, the cell phone tracing, the computer in their car along with the radio, and the weapons they use. You could track down criminals too if you could call Verizon and demand they trace and locate a cell phone.

    It’s not rocket science to use the technology, it’s rocket science to make it.
    Hug a nerd today. He/she might find the cure for Covid.

  21. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – if you cannot beat them join them. You could always put on some eyeliner and a skirt…..Hahahahaha I kill myself sometimes….

  22. Phoenix says:

    Hey I got the connections if I want that done. Take that off, drill a hole or two, move some blubber into the right places.

    Can’t do short hair, lest be called a Karen. And I’m not disciplined enough to put on makeup every day, no one likes a clown….

  23. Juice Box says:

    Here is a visualization of the new covid relief bill.


    Glad to see that got that Virginia-class attack submarine in there. We could use it to nuke the next virus before it spreads.

  24. Grim says:

    Sears in Willowbrook turned into a big Amazon warehouse.

    About everything you need to know.

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nerds rule! lol Remember those movies?

    I love brilliant minds. They make all our lives better. My problem with them right now, do they know what they are creating? Look at the power they gave to cops/govt over us. That ship is gone, we can never get our privacy back in this world now. That surveillance power is only going to grow and it’s at the point where it’s going down a bad bad road for humanity. Corporations took this technology and turned marketing into the incredible hulk. It’s just crazy…

    Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe it’s better to get rid of offices, schools, and stores etc…stay in our house all day. Live our lives through the screen. Been wrong before, and won’t be the last. So maybe this is what the youth want in their lives and I’m just getting old. Just seems like a boring life, where you have an easy life that requires you to do nothing except stay at a screen and interact with it.

  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You don’t drive. You don’t go to stores to buy things. Technology now does it for you.

    I’ll fight for that driving privilege till I die. I’m not giving it up. That’s why I have a f80 m3. I LOVE ME A FAST CAR. What a rush.

  27. Juice Box says:

    Amazon faces some headwinds with unionization this upcoming year, their $15 an hour pay rate is going to be challenged.

    1 in 5 workers were unionized in the early 1980s and now it is 1 in 10. I would think Biden’s administration will push for it. Among full-time wage and salary workers, union members had median usual weekly earnings of $1,095 in 2019 about $27 an hour.

  28. 3b says:

    Juice: I don’t see Biden doing much of anything when it comes to Unions.

  29. Juice Box says:

    More on the Amazon workers. Here is one who spoke to the press in NJ. I wonder how long before she is sacked and then sues?

    “Courtenay Brown, a process assistant at an Amazon warehouse in New Jersey, said work has increased 10-fold in her building during the pandemic, and colleagues have fallen ill. So she’s started circulating work-related petitions via Facebook.”


  30. Grim says:

    Amazon would welcome unionization because it would be a barrier to competition now that they’ve reached sufficient scale.

    Amazon can afford it, their new competitors, and old competitors, likely can’t.

  31. Juice Box says:

    3B – There will be a push especially if the Dems win the Senate runoffs in Georgia in two weeks, the legislation ” PRO Act ” is there and Sleepy Joe supports it. This includes modifying at the federal level who is considered and employee or “independent contractor” like those drivers that work for Uber etc.

    The ” PRO Act ” bill passed the House but never made it out of committee in the Senate this year, and Mitch McConnell would not have put it up for a vote if it did.


  32. 3b says:

    Juice: We shall see. It’s ironic that Bezos is noted to be a liberal but would appear hostile to unions. But as grim noted, even if it happens Amazon will make it work.

    On another note the malls in Paramus seem to be doing well this week , lots of traffic and the lots are packed.

  33. grim says:

    Amazon’s incredible amount of automation gives them an effective wage far lower than their competitors. They can easily pay way above $15, and they will, but why play that hand early? When everyone moves to $15, they go to $18, and again they say they are the hero (while putting the screws to their competition). Rinse and Repeat. Or is that Restock and Reship now?

  34. Juice Box says:

    Grim – It’s not just wages. Amazon controls everything from bathroom break times to communication with other employees and has work quotas. A union would take away some of that “Efficiency “, they have been fighting it and will continue to do so.

    Lets see what happens in 2021, the workers in the Amazon Warehouse in Bessemer Alabama are about to vote for a Union. You can bet Amazon might even take a page from Walmart’s playbook and close down an entire warehouse that attempt to unionize.

  35. Juice Box says:

    3b – re: Packed malls this week. Yup covid cases will spike in a week or so. I had to go to Target this week for one gift my son needed to pick out, he insisted we go look for it instead of online shopping. It was crazy packed in Target. I told him we are leaving as this was not safe. Nobody was keeping six foot away, packed like sardines, checkout line was 100 or so people long so we left. Gift Cards it will be for everyone, quick and easy transaction at CVS.

  36. grim says:

    There is no longer any social distancing in the malls or at retail, they certainly are not enforcing occupancy restrictions.

  37. Grim says:

    Not to mention the 25% occupancy boilerplate restriction is absurd for big box retail.

    Some of those stores have rated occupancies in the thousands due to the square footage. Even restricting to 25% can leave the net well above 1000.

    What they don’t consider is the square footage associated with checkout.

    So, in Costco, you have 90% of the restricted occupancy clustered at checkout. Which is actually far higher than what you would be permitted otherwise if calculated on that actual square footage alone.

  38. Grim says:

    Murphy never one to turn down a photo opp.

    He disgusts me.

  39. D-FENS says:

    With everyone packed into the checkout lanes… it can be argued that your local Walmart or Home Depot is more dangerous than the local bistro with socially distanced tables.


  40. ExEssex says:

    11:42 you obviously know jack shit about science.

  41. BRT says:

    The retail stores have completely abandoned any sense of order and control with respect to safety since Sept. Meanwhile, every local dept of health has been breathing down the necks of restaurants. I talked to a guy over the summer who owns in Manville. Their setup for outdoor was great and they have like 100 ft of open wall on the side of their building. So they had people dining right at the 2 door openings. They had like 10 people call the health department complaining it wasn’t meeting “the code”. Meanwhile, no one calls the health department on Target.

  42. Juice Box says:

    Cumon Grim – Where is your Christmas Spirit or should I say spirits! Print one out and frame it for Christmas, heck hang it up on the wall in the Brewery, your workers need to thank him since they are 1B and getting their vaccine soon.

    Link to Picture.


  43. Juice Box says:


    New mask study out, says packed checkout lines are the reason why we still have covid spreading like wildfire!!!

    New Testing Shows Masks Not Enough to Stop COVID-19’s Spread Without Social Distancing

    “Simply wearing a mask may not be enough to prevent the spread of COVID-19 without social distancing.

    In Physics of Fluids, by AIP Publishing, researchers tested how five different types of mask materials impacted the spread of droplets that carry the coronavirus when we cough or sneeze.

    Every material tested dramatically reduced the number of droplets that were spread. But at distances of less than 6 feet, enough droplets to potentially cause illness still made it through several of the materials.”


  44. Bystander says:

    Guy in UK said Xmas is shutdown in London due to new strain. He said govt told them new restrictions were going to be set so people took off before they went into place. He thinks it will spread like wildfire over entire kingdom now.

  45. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Science has become political just lie everything else.

    For instance, the masks thing. Is anyone brain dead enough to stil think that masks will prevent covid from spreading, or is it just the tds talking?

    And yes, small businesses have been fvcked repeatedly by the lockdown mandates while lobbyinst backed big businesses have been reaping massive profits.

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Loser. Such a loser.

    “Earning big bucks on the job is nothing new for Holzheimer, public records show. The former president of the local supervising officers union has made $250,000 or more each year since at least 2016. He made a whopping $342,310 in 2018.

    So how did a rank-and-file police sergeant pull in so much cash when his listed salary is $135,281?

    Holzheimer was among the two dozen officers at the Franklin Township Police Department who padded their salaries by exploiting a carefully crafted system in which they used both paid leave for union business and overtime to add tens of thousands of dollars to their paychecks, an NJ Advance Media analysis of public records found in 2019. The overtime practice has cost taxpayers more than $600,000, according to payroll records.

    Holzheimer was one of the most egregious users of the policy, records show. He also raked in tens of thousands of dollars by performing off-duty side jobs, like monitoring road construction projects. That money is paid for by companies such as PSE&G and the township also takes a cut.

    Nothing these officers did was illegal, the Somerset County Prosecutor’s Office has said. The policy was meant to grant the few officers who needed to conduct work for the union the time to do so without forcing them to do it on off-hours, but it spread well beyond that in recent years. More than half the force logged “union time” — some of them using it for vacations or to attend golf tournament fundraisers since 2016, records showed.

    But Franklin Township officials said in a 2019 statement that the practice was a “substantial abuse” of the union leave policy. And experts interviewed by NJ Advance Media have said it smells of corruption.

    “You expect people who are given a public trust to be able to fulfill that trust, and in the case that you’re describing, it sounds like an abuse of it,” said Vincent Del Castillo, a retired New York City Transit Police Department chief who is now a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

    The practice has ended, Franklin officials said in 2019.

    But questions remain as to how Holzheimer was still able to earn $94,000 in overtime and approximately $66,000 from outside jobs and other sources in 2020. NJ Advance Media filed a public records request to see how much union time was approved in 2020, but has not yet received those records. The township requested an extension due to the coronavirus pandemic. Holzheimer declined to comment on the record for this story.

    Here’s an example of how Holzheimer combined union time off and also received overtime in one day in 2019, according to a review of public records.

    On Feb. 8, 2019, Holzheimer took 10.5 hours of union leave during his normal 3 p.m. to 1:30 a.m. shift. He was approved for the time off, but did not document what union business he had that day.

    On that same day, Holzheimer was paid overtime for working a day shift due to a “shift shortage” from 6 a.m. to almost 2 p.m.

    That means he was paid for 18 hours on that day.

    Holzheimer took off for union business and received overtime pay on the same day 69 times between 2016 and May 30, 2019. And while none of the hours appear to overlap, officials in the county have said privately it appears this was a meticulously crafted abuse of the system. Holzheimer — and the others who took days off for union business — also rarely documented what they did on that time off.

    Holzheimer even flaunted this practice publicly on his Facebook page.”


  47. BRT says:

    I’ve been saying for the better part of 2 months that retail is likely one of the top contributors to spread based on the general behavior of patrons and the lack of enforcement from staff. I can only imagine how bad it has been the past 2 weeks. I’ve been avoiding retail as much as I can and I religiously wear an N95 masks and sanitize if I must go in.

  48. BRT says:

    This isn’t new. If you ever looked at Port Authority cops, some of them registered enough overtime to work 23 hours days the entire year.

  49. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s clowns like this that give govt workers a bad name. What a pos. No moral integrity. Sure, it’s legal, but no f/ing morals required. This is no different than an elite corporatist outsourcing American jobs. Sure, it’s legal, but no morals required.

  50. ExEssex says:

    Government workers in NJ are richly rewarded. Part of the reason your property taxes are so high I would venture to guess. I will also bet that a large percentage of every tax dollar goes to sustaining those pension benefits long after the retirees move on to more retirement friendly states. Unsustainable is the word that comes to mind.

  51. 3b says:

    Abolish public sector unions.

  52. Bystander says:


    It is quite sustainable. People continue to go ‘oh well’ when $500 is added to tax bill each year. Who challenges it really? We talk a lot about it on this blog but generally no one in NJ gives a flying f. This article is already in the past..forgotten. It will only matter if RE goes down, otherwise their “investment” is practically paying for itself with all the gains.

  53. 3b says:

    Bystander:Very true. For some high property taxes is something to be proud of, makes us better and more sophisticated. When the real estate crash comes and it will come, if will be a very different story.

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    All I know is that I would be embarrassed if I was that cop. I don’t know how these guys think so highly of themselves. Arresting guys for stealing, but then doing the same thing, but just because there is no law against it, I guess it makes it okay. Talk about gaming the system.

  55. Bystander says:

    Right…it is a good thing that the fine teachers of NJ are above this sort of thing. No where is my accrued sick leave over 20 years? Oh right, in the private sector it is use or lose it. Sure could use that 300k payout though. F-in shysters.

  56. leftwing says:

    “Sears in Willowbrook turned into a big Amazon warehouse. About everything you need to know.”

    Irony writ large….Sears was the original Amazon….anything you wanted, anywhere you lived. I’m old enough to remember getting the Sears, Roebuck catalogue…it was a monster, three inch binding…..used to sit on living room floor with my sister and flip through it for gifts. Sears actually sold ready-to-build houses a century ago…wonder when Bezos gets there…

  57. Walking says:

    So I have survived covid. What a Christmas gift indeed. It was a rough couple of days (8-12) where I could hardly stand more than 10 minutes. Days 8-12 I would sleep 16 hours a day. 13-18 were recovery days. Day 19 was a huge recovery day where I felt 90% back. Day 20 I was walking a mile again. taking it slow before I get back into a routine.

    I got it from a co-worker that came in sick unfortunately.

    I also read this week they closed Amazons PNE5 down due to high covid transmissions. Spent a lot of time there getting it up and running when they first opened. Lots of late night trips and call backs to Robbinsville. Unfortunate to hear as there were a lot of good peeps there. There was also a great Italian deli in the next town over that made great sandwiches.

  58. Juice Box says:

    Congrats Walking. Now go donate a pint and become a hero to someone else!

  59. Fast Eddie says:


    And I thought my endoscopy and colonoscopy this morning s.ucked. Well, it did but your endeavor was hard core! Good to hear you’re on the rebound.

  60. leftwing says:

    “There will be a push especially if the Dems win the Senate runoffs in Georgia in two weeks…includes modifying at the federal level who is considered and employee or “independent contractor” like those drivers that work for Uber…”

    Lots of these little land mine lying around should Dems get both chambers…Politicians love them because they have no effect on budgeting and don’t need to go through that process. Joe needs them because he still hasn’t paid his debt to the Far Left and these are easy and pointed…

    They also have the ability to turn entire industries upside down with a pen stroke….

  61. Fast Eddie says:

    $85.5 million for assistance to Cambodia.
    $134 million to Burma.
    $1.3 billion for Egypt and the Egyptian military.
    $25 million for democracy and gender programs in Pakistan.
    $505 million to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama.
    $40 million for the Kennedy Center.
    $1 billion for the Smithsonian.
    $154 million for the National Gallery of Art.
    $1800 EACH for illegal aliens.

    What’s left? $600 for the s.ucker taxpayers and a tax deduction for restaurants. Trump wants MUCH more, to the tune of $2000 for each person and $4000 for couples. This is something that both sides can agree upon, among other relief measures. This “Covid bill” is not aimed at Covid relief, it’s disguised as gifts to special interest and comps for support.

  62. Walking says:


    I hope they did the endoscopy first before your colon. Or at least change gloves before sticking your hands in my mouth, thats what I told before they said “ok now you are going to take a long nap ”

    On a side note the bloody stool has finally stopped from all the diarrhea this thing caused. That freaked me out with the whole “the end is here ” thoughts going through your head.

  63. Fast Eddie says:

    I hope they did the endoscopy first before your colon.

    Lol. They put me out too quickly. No funny taste in my mouth so I think I’m good! Oh gee, thanks for the heads up on the bloody stool! As if the prep wasn’t nasty enough? Oy, what a conversation!

  64. BRT says:

    So my father claims he’s been in bed for 2 weeks, probably covid, coughing up a lung, claims no pneumonia. Said he’s improved over the past 2 days (not sure if I believe him). Claims he’s getting vaccinated on the 26th. Lol, getting vaccinated while symptomatic, not quite sure how that works.

  65. 3b says:

    Fast : And some of the aid is for border security enhancements in these countries. How ironic.

  66. 3b says:

    Walking: Great news for you and your family. All the best!

  67. BRT says:

    Walking, congrats. Glad it all worked out.

  68. Phoenix says:

    I hope they did the endoscopy first before your colon. Or at least change gloves before sticking your hands in my mouth, thats what I told before they said “ok now you are going to take a long nap ”

    Well, they don’t use the same scope top and bottom silly rabbit. But Versed will make you forget even if they did and you were awake except for the taste after you wake up from the Diprivan.

    As far as Covid, having a fever for 2 weeks is no fun. Were I work we bathe in Covid. Good technique can help prevent it, I have dodged it so far, but many of my coworkers have not. One little slip up and down you go. Walking glad to hear you made it to the other side. Hopefully you won’t have nightmares or be afraid to sleep. Some will afterwards.

    BRT, good news.

  69. Juice Box says:

    Latest Covid infection news. Friend of family a 16 year old is confirmed positive, two weeks of fevers and weak in bed etc as expected will survive.

    80 year old grandmas? Going to have to wait this isn’t Texas…

    <My 82 year old mom on lockdown, groceries at doorstep forever , we will do lunch Saturday in the 35 degree weather downwind in her back yard. We will sing a few carols downwind…..

    I will take the time with her to insist on vaccination ASAP, first shot is 50-70% effective. Much better than Vegas Odds.

  70. Walking says:

    BRT: pro tip here. seems like they are saying melatonin helps with not developing severe covid. I did not start taking it until day 10 so not sure if it helped or not, but 2 days after taking it I was definitely getting better not worse. But it also lines up with the typical covid outcomes of 14 days. As for your dad hope he pulls through. We had one grandparent that was taking melatonin just by luck, and was asymptomatic the whole time he is on day 63 now. Really hope it works out for him.

    As for the vaccine they are recommending waiting 90 days after covid,

  71. BRT says:

    He prescribed himself remdesivir. I wonder if they recommend 90 days just because that’s the time when antibodies seem to fade. Side note, my wife says there’s a loophole to the vaccine line. Just apply and get a job at Shop Rite.

  72. grim says:

    Ohio bucks the CDC advisory and moves teachers and school staff to next in line for vax. Targeting mid-January start.

  73. Chicago says:

    Beer: That’s right out of Gary Numan Are Friends Electric?

  74. Juice Box says:

    Bah Humbug… no presents for you

    House fails to unanimously approve $2,000 COVID-19 checks


  75. ExEssex says:

    We are so completely f’ed as a country.

  76. Juice Box says:

    Republicans’ called for unanimous consent over the foreign aid in the Covid relief bill passed and it was turned down procedurally today by the Democrats, who only wanted to raise the direct payments via unanimous consent . Again I can say for sure Pelosi does not care about the average American, and would rather burn it all down their dogma will not be questioned. It is going to be an interesting 2021, especially if they win the Senate runoff races in two weeks.

    Why does Pelosi want to give these people money?



  77. 3b says:

    Juice : We are giving foreign aid to other countries including money for border security while millions of Americans are suffering. They all suck Republicans Democrats all of them.

  78. ExEssex says:

    We are just so f*cked.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s not what you know, it’s who you know. As in the words of Essex, “We are so f*cked.”

    Imagine being the sucker who spent years in jail for pot, reading this.

    “President Donald Trump on Wednesday issued a second batch of pardons in as many days, this time forgiving the crimes of two former associates, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone, as well as Charles Kushner, the father of Trump’s son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.”

  80. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – I was rooting for Joe Exotic, his youtube channel is comedy gold.


  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lol…that guy is hilarious.

  82. joyce says:

    I’m confused as to what procedure took place first but the NY Post article said both parties had procedural issues. Also, isn’t rejecting foreign aid and increasing domestic aid good things? I rather not do so via money printing but that ship sailed decades (f not 100+ years) ago.

    Juice Box says:
    December 24, 2020 at 11:14 am
    Republicans’ called for unanimous consent over the foreign aid in the Covid relief bill passed and it was turned down procedurally today by the Democrats, who only wanted to raise the direct payments via unanimous consent .

  83. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The difference in overall taxes paid between “high tax” and “low tax” states are a couple of percentage points. Yet, people only focus on certain taxes, like income tax or property tax, and take positions based on this instead of the overall tax burden.

    For example:

    48. Florida

    • Taxes paid as pct. of income: 7.6%

    • Income per capita: $47,869 (24th lowest)

    7. New Jersey

    • Taxes paid as pct. of income: 10.7%

    • Income per capita: $64,924 (4th highest)

    Now how much of a difference in taxes is that? Less than 3% between “low tax” Florida and “high tax” New Jersey. So you save 3% in taxes, but get destroyed on income. Much better off in NJ when you are younger and making money. You only go to the “low tax” state when you are done making money aka retire.

    Source for the tax information:


  84. Juice Box says:

    Joyce watch the video for the unanimous convent procedure. Pelosi And McCarthy got their Covid shots and left town days ago. They do not care, they all need to go.

  85. grim says:

    At this rate, majority of Republicans are going to be happy to see Trump leave.

  86. Juice Box says:

    He is going to go out like a petulant child, vetoed the Defense Bill yesterday over section 230, and they will be back on Monday to override it.

  87. NotaPumpsupporter says:

    Lot of people put down pump by saying below
    NJ is hosed
    NNJ is hosed
    RE is hosed
    NY is hosed
    US is hosed
    Everyone is fleeing NJ
    Stock market is hosed
    WFH is forever

    bl bla bla

    Now all of them are still saying this for the past 15 years…

    I’m sorry folks, pumps was right and you guys all lost and now save your face.

  88. NotaPumpsupporter says:

    Pumps is practical and made the right calls..

    The rest of the angry, complaining and whining crowd just has -ve opinion on the whole world.. If anyone took their advice ( like I did for few months only to wake up early enough) they would become laughing stock in the society..

    They made fun of pumps Wayne home as ‘highway home’, his clifton rentals as failures…
    They kept saying NNJ RE is hosed…

    Pumps looks like a winner to me and makes sensible arguments.. The rest of the crowd should just chill and follow him..

  89. Phoenix says:

    “Juice : We are giving foreign aid to other countries including money for border security while millions of Americans are suffering. They all suck Republicans Democrats all of them.”

    Yeah. Makes me want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Who exactly am I reciting it for?

    Your pres just pardoned a family member. If that does not tell you the direction your country is going in nothing will.

  90. Phoenix says:

    A Covid bill should be just about that, a vote for money for Americans only, not others, no projects, no weapon systems, just relief for citizens.

    The only thing that would fix this country now is if the plot to Designated Survivor actually became reality.

  91. Phoenix says:

    Pumps is a public employee. That automatically makes him a winner in America.

  92. Juice Box says:

    Phoenix – :Your pres just pardoned a family member:

    Have you not heard of Rodger Clinton?

    What will you say when Hunter Biden skates from charges? They have him on Tax evasion at a minimum.

  93. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No Zoom call can replace the “chemistry of the unexpected” that you get in person. Humans need offices econ.st/3apKBET One of @1843mag’s most popular stories of the year


  94. grim says:

    A Covid bill should be just about that, a vote for money for Americans only, not others, no projects, no weapon systems, just relief for citizens.

    Right, but that’s not how our government works, or ever worked. So what you are asking for, will never happen. We don’t write legislation like that. Quid pro quo. You need my vote, so you support my cause, and I’ll support yours.

  95. The Great Pumpkin says:

    To be fair, I made this choice after getting my ass kicked at the post office for 2 years. I realized I wanted better for myself, and chose to be a teacher.

    Seems like I made a good choice for myself. Life is all about choices.

    Phoenix says:
    December 24, 2020 at 2:12 pm
    Pumps is a public employee. That automatically makes him a winner in America.

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thank you for the kind words…it’s a nice Christmas present. Merry Christmas!!

    I did make a terrible call on here with NHMD. Now that PLUG is over 36 dollars, that lesson has now cost me over 300k. I took my winnings in PLUG and tried to flip it into what I thought was a good idea. Painful mistake. Lesson learned, and that’s what matters.

    NotaPumpsupporter says:
    December 24, 2020 at 1:54 pm
    Pumps is practical and made the right calls..

  97. Juice Box says:

    USPS very delayed this season. A small package I ordered arrived in Englewood NJ and sat there six days before being transferred six days to Teterboro NJ today. Nowhere near Monmouth county. I will be surprised if it arrives a week from now.


  98. Juice Box says:

    The Covid Bill gave $40 million the the Kennedy Center, and the Bill passed in March gave the Kennedy Center $25 million.

    FYI the Kennedy Center is completely closed, no performances no ticket sales, but hey lets give them more anyway. They usually generate about $45.7 million in ticket sales annually.

  99. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “And what a wonderful thing that artifice can be. Now that we are all working from home, amid the children, the toast crumbs and the laundry, we are realising that the pretence of an orderly life at the office is also a liberation. It allows each day to have its own architecture, its rhythms of departure and arrival. Putting on a perfectly ironed silk shirt or a crisp suit and leaving the house may be contrived but it is also, says Kellaway, “one of the beauties of working life…It allows us to be a different person. And we’re all so fed up with who we are, the opportunity to be someone else, someone a little bit more impressive, is just so tempting.” When such an escape is denied us, that allure may only grow.

    And so, for all the threat faced by the office, there is also cause for optimism about its future. These days the “hyper-physical…is so cherished,” notes Heatherwick. Sales of records are at their highest in years, book covers have rarely looked so beautiful. Though many of us might have been loth to admit it until this spring, all those desks and all those people, all that bustle and time-wasting, have their benefits.

    Humans need offices. Online encounters may be keeping us alive as social beings right now, but work-related video meetings are too often transactional, awkward and unappealing. After the initial joy of peering into each other’s houses on Zoom, we are confronted with people’s heads looming even closer than we see them across the desk at work, and we gaze in horror – half of it self-awareness that we, too, must look awful – at thinning hair and double chins. We become freakish specimens rather than people. No Skype chat can replicate what Heatherwick calls the “chemistry of the unexpected” that you get in person. Offices may not fill the pages of poetry anthologies but, says Kellaway, they “can be as moving as anywhere on Earth. Because what moves us is not sitting at our computer, it’s the relationship that we have with people.”

    For all his grumbling, Charles Lamb believed something similar too. When Wordsworth seems to have grown a trifle too smug about the sublime joys of the natural world, Lamb snapped back. “I don’t much care if I never see a mountain in my life.” But he did care for the city and he certainly loved offices. All his complaints were, he wrote, mere “lovers’ quarrels”. Above all, he loved his desk. For it was that “dead timber of a desk that makes me live”.”

  100. Juice Box says:

    This kind of legislation is really the oldest trick in Washington DC.

    Take an urgent need and delay delay delay for many many months and then send down a bill that symbolically is overwhelmingly supported by the American people on its NAME alone “COVID-19 relief for those struggling due to the pandemic” then salt in every pet project possible wait until the last second to pass so there are no debates on the floor and nobody gets to see the final text until the last second before the vote, then leave town for the Holidays.

  101. Juice Box says:

    Passed by the Christmas tree lot. They lowered their price from “$65 and up” a tree to “$49 any tree” a bit too late. They have perhaps a hundred or more displayed, usually by now there are almost none. I guess they will need to rent a wood chipper.

  102. 3b says:

    Pumps And yet you can speak personally to any of this. You want everybody back in the office for your own selfish reasons, nothing more. At least be honest.

  103. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Trump just following in the same footsteps. The USA has been decaying for years. A few more years of back to business as usual with Biden and the reckless policy of the Fed, and it’s all going to collapse.

  104. 3b says:

    Notpumps/pumps One and the same!

  105. relo says:

    Re: Covid 19 Legislation, Today Show said Trump veto would deny citizens and small businesses needed relief. Not one mention of all the pork within the bill. Back to business as usual.

  106. NotaPumpsupporter says:

    Only grim and pumps made the right calls on this forum for the past 15 years..

    How come pumps who was a USPS employee and now a teacher makes the right calls and the rest of the Investment banking, project managers, decades of realtors, big bank employees bla bla have zero clue…

    I remember one guy here.. some orginal expat or someone who made a call of RE top, sold his house in NJ, rented in Boston and kept on saying the RE is going to crash… Guess is still renting and disappeared from this forum..

  107. ExEssex says:

    Damn. I left Jersey. How bout dat?
    After the initial culture shock it’s niiiice
    out here.

  108. Juice Box says:

    re: Expat – He sadly passed away.

  109. ExEssex says:

    Leaving Jersey was the RIGHT call.

  110. 3b says:

    Juice: Yes. Sadly he did. I suspect our occasional poster though knows that.

  111. 3b says:

    Essex: yes it was. If nothing else at least you guys have great weather.

  112. ExEssex says:

    5:38 i could have done 5 more years in NJ TBH and that would have left me better poised for retirement. I’m not sure anyone out here ever retires it’s too damn expensive.

  113. Early New year Prediction says:

    January 5th’s GA election will decide if the GOP becomes Trump’s Party permanently. Trump is sabotaging the GOP candidates because he realized that if they lose, no more McConnell and he remains as the master of the party, setting up his court in Mar A Lago where he will proceed to have fundraisers (paying premium prices to the property as is the only thing that makes money for him) to primary every republican that is not with him. If the republicans win the seats, he’s out of the picture.

    January 6th is when Congress certifies the electoral college votes. Trump is trying to incite his “homo boys” to go berserk, which brings me to this article below key paragraph — ” So it’s also conceivable that in the District of Columbia a commander could independently invoke martial law to restore order were there a complete breakdown. All the sources Newsweek spoke to, from the Pentagon military leadership down to the Joint Task Force already activated for coronavirus and used to suppress the George Floyd riots, agree that such a declaration is unlikely—that is, unless there is an armed rebellion undertaken on behalf of Donald Trump.”

    Trump is likely to stay in Mar A Lago and not go back to Washington again, as watch everything on fire from Palm Beach

  114. true sue says:

    Merry Christmas everybody

  115. ExEssex says:

    Two reasons to love WFH.
    1. You have work.
    2. You have a home.

  116. ExEssex says:

    The last few weeks of Trump’s term are disgusting. Waiting for him
    to pardon the UniBomber so he has “an explosives expert” to round out his team.

  117. Phoenix says:

    Can’t wait to see the sales figures from the holidays. It will be telling.

  118. Phoenix says:

    Pardoning and executing at the same time. Remember, it’s half of the country that voted him in. This is what it wanted. This is what it is willing to fight for.

    Then the other half votes in a guy who is for all intensive purposes is practically brain dead along with a woman who is so full of herself she will try to pass a law requiring all citizens to call her Queen Kamala.

    Add a Covid icing on the top for good measure. The financial damage from this is unprecedented.

    Merry Christmas America. You are truly in some uncharted waters here with turmoil at home and sharks surrounding you that smell the blood. You will be able to hold them off for a time, but if you cannot repair your core you will bleed out like a stuck pig.

    Happy Holidays.


  119. Trump says:

    I can’t hear you I’m golfing.

  120. relo says:

    Explosion in Nashville this morning?

  121. NotaPumpsupporter says:

    ExEssex, are you in TX ??

    If you didn’t miss NJ, you wouldn’t be posting here every day…. Accept it..

    If you are in TX enjoy the

    100 days of 100 degrees brutal hot days
    Green water dirty lakes
    Yellow water dirty lakes
    No character
    Not much trees
    Burnt looking backyards
    2 hour ride to most major airports
    5 hours to any beach
    Nothing drivable within 10 hours of driving in summer.. ( A beach or a lake or some nice mountains)
    etc etc

  122. The Great Pumpkin says:


    This guy is not me, but he is correct. ESP with this last post about Texas. Yes, Texas is where I want to live on a warming planet. It’s only going to get worse.

  123. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Merry Christmas everyone!! Hope everyone has a great day!

  124. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I have faith in humanity.

    I always cut my neighbors lawn that is located on my side of the house. I’m just OCD and try help people where I can. Well, my neighbors are good people. Gave my family gifts today with a card stating how appreciative they are of me. Gave me 100 dollar gift card and the rest of the family gifts including my dog. I still believe in the good of humanity, just get away from the bad ones before they infect your life with their misery.

  125. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I have to throw out some economic food for the blog. Been thinking about this…

    Dangerous times…the economic system is going to hit a wall. The capitalist system doesn’t work if it doesn’t provide labor options for most of the people. With robots taking over more and more share of the labor market, it’s time to say…Houston we have a problem. You are going to need a new system to address this in short time. Hope it works out for the greater good and our society is better off with whatever comes. No doubt in my mind, though, it’s coming.

    Just look at China…they have cheap labor and are still abandoning it for automation at a rapid pace. Writing is on the wall.

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When hyper-billionaires like Elon Musk & Jeff Bezos are arguing for a UBI then you know the writings on the wall.

  127. ExEssex says:

    Miss NJ? I’ve said as much. Posting here isn’t related to that tho.
    It’s just a silly habit and a chance to argue with youse.

  128. Trump says:

    Kamala is a squirter.

  129. Presidente Electo Dormido Jo says:

    Me he caído y no puedo levantarme.

    Feliz Navidad, inmundos animales!

  130. Chicago says:

    Right back atcha

    Presidente Electo Dormido Jo says:
    December 25, 2020 at 5:14 pm
    Me he caído y no puedo levantarme.

    Feliz Navidad, inmundos animales!

  131. Trump says:

    Halllllllp my mushroom just fell into another prostitute.

  132. Libturd says:

    Happy holidays goyim!

  133. ExEssex says:


  134. Chicago says:

    Stu: what is best NJ kosher Chinese outside of Teaneck?

  135. Chicago says:

    The Chinese civilization is 4,000 years old.
    The Jewish civilization is 5,000 years old.
    The question is: WTF did the Jews do for Chinese food for 1,000 years?

  136. Libturd says:

    I think we wandered in the desert drinking mountain dew.

    American Chinese has three predominant styles. Any Chinks here, please correct me. Cantonese is mild and white saucy. Think shrimp in lobster sauce or dim sum.
    Hunan has some spice like beef with broccoli and is the most common. Szechuan is the fiery hot stuff loaded with numbing spice and hot peppers and oils. Lots of pickled stuff too.

    We never found many great places in central Jersey when we lived there, but were partial to Chung Sing in Old Bridge and great take place in Spotswood (of all places) called Liu’s Kitchen (though haven’t been there in 30 years). Up in North Jersey, all of the good ones are in the Parsippany area. Shan Shan Noodles is absolutely amazing if you like handpulled noodles either stir-fried or in soups. Limited menu, but they have the great exotic choices such as tripe, oxtail, tendons, etc. This is the real deal and they know how to use spices to flavor and not just burn. The other winner and best Szechuan outside of Chinatown (or Queens), is Chengdu 23 in the Willowbrook complex. It’s where we ate tonight. A little pricy, but worth it. A popular Americanized place in Jersey is Hunan Taste in Denville, but I find the food mediocre but the architecture a lot of fun. I’ve been to the much heralded Chef Jon’s out in Whippany which is better than average, but very hit and miss. Also Chef Yang in Clifton on 46 is interesting and overpriced, but with very good stone pot (casserole) dishes.

    For local Chinese takeout at rock bottom prices and excellent quality, but also hit and miss, try Happy Ming in Bloomfield. A real dive, but amazing egg/shrimp rolls, roast pork or HS Chow Fun, Singapore Mei Fun and General Tso’s. Haven’t found a good cold sesame noodle or dan dan noodle yet.

    What’s wrong? Getting sick of artisan pizza?

  137. ExEssex says:

    West Orange has the best Chinese:

    Bill & Harry’s


  138. Libturd says:

    Anyone watch Soul tonight? Heck of an enjoyable film. I recently purchased the Sony Bravo 77″ Oled and this TV really did the movie justice. It’s 4K Ultra HDR and it was absolutely brilliant in the space scenes. Having black appear as true black (no RGB on) rather than RGB black which requires light in traditional LED sets was stunning.

  139. Libturd says:

    Bill & Harry’s is good, but not great. Trust me. Better than your average place, but not up to par with Shan Shan or Chengdu. Closer to Hunan Taste or Chef Jon.

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