C19 Open Discussion Week 59b

Updated Vaccination by Age Range for NJ:
Morning of 4/19 vs Morning of 4/22

At Least 1 Dose
Total Pop: 8.9m
Total 1st Doses: 3.9m – 44% of total pop (Up from 43%) – Bloomberg reporting 47%

16-17 – 230k population – 39k dosed – 17% 1 dose (Up from 0%)
18-29 – 1.4m population – 390k dosed – 28% 1 Dose (Up from 24%)
30-49 – 2.3m population – 1,053k dosed – 46% 1 Dose (Up from 41%)
50-64 – 1.9m population – 1,131k dosed – 60% 1 Dose (Up from 58%)
65-79 – 1.1m population – 975k dosed – 89% 1 Dose (Down from 97%)
80+ – 400k population – 312k dosed – 78% 1 Dose (Down from 95%)

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180 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 59b

  1. grim says:

    Some funky numbers changes in the 65 and 80 age ranges that dipped pretty substantially, not sure I understand that. The 16-17 age range was added this round. Maybe some rounding error in the percentages making it skew a bit, though I was a bit skeptical that we were hitting high 90% vaccination rates at all.

    We did expect to see big jumps in the 50 and below age ranges, which clearly came through.

    NJ daily vaccination rate has been dropping like a rock though, we’re now in the 3rd week of what’s clearly a decline, this is on top of the J&J being halted (trend seen in the Pfizer and Moderna daily rates). Big question is, will opening the age range reverse this? This Monday and Tuesday did not see a big jump, but perhaps that should be expected as there may be some registration lag.

  2. grim says:

    NJ’s dashboards are clearly designed by idiots, by the way.

  3. Juice Box says:

    Foist!

    Dashboard looks to be Tableau jammed into an iframe, it was a rush job for sure.

  4. grim says:

    More irked by the fact that it doesn’t actually show the data in a consistent way.

    The percentages are based on the total doses administered number, which is meaningless unless you know the split between Dose1/Dose2/J&J.

    The distribution by age ranges is total doses, not percentage of population, etc etc etc. Becomes impossible to actually guess the percentage of population who received 1 dose, vs 2 dose, or 1 dose J&J.

    My tables are estimates based on adjusting the total doses for the 1 dose vs fully adjusted split, which is arguably impossible because of the temporal component between 1 and 2 as age ranges were opened up.

  5. grim says:

    Honestly, it looks slapped together in a way that would have provided NJ with a CYA approach to vaccine distribution early on.

    The visible percentages always add up to 100% on the total distributed vaccines – thus the dashboard always “looks good” from a NJ perspective. Flip to the second pane – the Federal partnership program, and it shows completely different data points, distributed vs allocated, which nearly always shows as tilting negative (low distribution %).

    Darrell Huff would have been proud.

    If NJ had data on distribution by political affiliation, pretty sure it would be front and center.

  6. Libturd says:

    Election year. Everything must look good. Joey D. must be up for reelection too. He sent everyone a pretty Essex County vaccination passport holder in the mail.

    In other local news, 18 kids at our high school are out with Covid. Nearly the rest are in quarantine. None of the cases occurred in school where masks are worn. Once they are off school property, the masks come off like a used rubber.

    Even more and more convinced that the masks are the difference maker (social distancing aside for obvious reasons).

  7. Juice Box says:

    Actually it’s ArcGIS online (cloud) which is designed for displaying and mapping data.

    You can full screen it, and click on the vaccination data to see age data it but it was designed to display as a chart. They do not give access to extract the raw data from what I can see.

    https://njhealth.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=50c2c6af93364b4da9c0bf6327c04b45&folderid=e5d6362c0f1f4f9684dc650f00741b24

  8. Chicago says:

    Thanks for that visual you yutz.

    Libturd says:
    April 22, 2021 at 8:15 am
    None of the cases occurred in school where masks are worn. Once they are off school property, the masks come off like a used rubber.

  9. BRT says:

    From what I’m seeing, it doesn’t happen in school, just on the ride home when 4 kids are packed in cars.

  10. Libturd, Booyah says:

    Chicago,

    Keepin’ it real, aight?

  11. No One says:

    Libturd,
    Bad news, Costa Rica is running out of other people’s money with which to pay for it’s “free” stuff.
    https://www.economist.com/the-americas/2021/04/15/costa-rica-is-struggling-to-maintain-its-welfare-state
    Sounds like the Montclair of Latin America.

    The covid-19 pandemic has turned unsustainable generosity into a debt crisis

    Anew building at Hospital México, a public clinic in a quiet neighbourhood of San José, Costa Rica’s capital, would not look out of place in most rich countries. Behind its quiet exterior lies a bigger story. Excellent health care, free to all at the point of service, is one reason Ticos—as Costa Ricans are known—and their neighbours talk of the country’s exceptionalism. In Central America public services tend to be poor, patchy or absent altogether. By contrast all Ticos get state pensions. When they turn on the tap, drinkable water comes out.

    Now the pandemic has turned what was already unsustainable into a debt crisis. Even before covid-19 the country of 5m had the third-highest government debt in Latin America and the highest interest payments. But last year its economy shrank by 4.5%, partly thanks to a reduction in tourism, while the fiscal deficit rose to 8.1% of gdp, up from 6.7% in 2019. Public debt has reached 68% of gdp. Unemployment has risen to 18%, from 12% last year.

    The country has lurched from one fiscal crisis to the next for years, but the scale of this one prompted the government to agree, in January, to a loan from the imf of $1.8bn, around 3% of gdp. It is dependent on a package of reforms which must be enacted in the coming weeks. The most controversial part of the deal, currently being debated by congress, is to reform public employment. The government spends more than half of its revenues on salaries for its workers, the highest share in the oecd, a club of rich countries that Costa Rica is in the process of joining. Public-sector pay is lavish: teachers in state schools make, on average, more than twice as much as their peers in private ones.

    Much of this is thanks to top-ups to public-sector wages. A pay bump for getting married has been abolished, but others, such as for working in hot conditions, remain. The bill would cut these and instead pay a single salary. No one would be allowed to earn more than Carlos Alvarado, the president, as 2,200 of the 305,000 state workers currently do. Mr Alvarado says the imf deal “is not only a fiscal discussion, it’s a matter of equality”.

    It is, however, controversial. “The social state is slipping away through our fingers like water,” claims Albino Vargas, the head of anep, a union that represents 17,000 public and private workers. Last year protests derailed talks for a loan.

    By contrast, this deal is likely to pass. Many reforms have been toned down—for example, the measures to increase revenues, such as by raising a consumer tax, have been removed. The focus is on reducing spending, mainly through lowering the cost of state employees. Indeed, the most accurate criticism is that the deal is too timid. Past governments only took small steps to stave off sovereign default, says Kevin Casas, a former vice-president. This one is no better.

    The true risk to the welfare state comes not from this deal, but from the lack of deeper structural change. That unhappy task will fall to the next government (elections are due in ten months). Mr Alvarado is weak; his party holds only 10 of 57 seats in the legislature. His government previously enacted a tax reform and a cap on spending linked to debt and economic growth in 2018. The imf deal may merely be setting the scene for more to come.

    Such reforms are urgently needed. The quality of public services is deteriorating. Costa Rica spends fully 7% of gdp on education, the highest share in the oecd after Scandinavian countries. Despite this it ranks second-lowest of the club’s members in the pisa rankings, which test the skills of 15-year-olds, just above Colombia.

    Much could be achieved while still preserving the welfare state, thinks Juan Carlos Hidalgo, an analyst who is running for Costa Rica’s congress next year. Cracking down on tax evasion would help, as would raising taxes. Some state monopolies could be sold off. But without major changes, the country risks becoming more like its neighbours. For many Ticos, that is not nearly good enough. ■

  12. EddieStillLookingAtTheSkyWaitingForHisDearLeaderOneEnginePlane says:

    From the discussion of a few days back about the FOX crowd yapping away about the unemployment benefits being to rich. I got another take. Gambling, nothing more than Robinhood and cryptocurrencies gambling.

    I noticed it from co-workers of mine. Many are reducing hours they work at other gigs. Two in particular that are vocal about what they do. One of them was so conservative that he refused to put his 401k monies in anything but the safest and it took me 2 yrs for him to open a Vanguard account that he treated like a money market bank account and never followed my Boglehead recommendations. He in particular has made close to 10k playing with options over the last 6 weeks and of course reduced hours worked on his part time gig.

    A shear amount of people, especially the Gen Z & millenials have given up on employment and are doing what Wall Street does best since Greenspan started bailing out banksters.

  13. Libturd says:

    No One,

    Thanks for the post, though I’ve been closely paying attention to this story through Covid. Everyone is hopeful that tourism (especially eco-tourism) will return en masse. In a weird contrarian way, I see it as a win as long as crime doesn’t explode, as tourists and especially expats will become an even more appreciated class. They are already highly accepted. Pre-pandemic, tourism made up 7% of their economy and was growing at a nice consistent clip. One can try to blame their nationalised services for their recent increase in debt, but it’s really Covid which broke their system. They’ll be back. I see these no different than the temporary collapse of Wall Street which needed a Soc1alist “save” to right their ship.

    BTW, the plan is to rent in the Las Vegas area (mainly for tax advantages and quality of life) and own in Costa Rica (mainly for cheaper healthcare and quality of life).

  14. Hold my beer says:

    I was at Michaels and Walmart the other day . Saw people not wearing masks, even though businesses still require one. Didn’t see a single person wearing it on their chin or throat . I bet all those people simply stopped wearing them. Still lots of people walking around with their noses hanging out. Not a good look.

    Saw quite a few maskless Karens at Michaels complete with the May I see the manager haircut.

  15. Bystander says:

    Grim, mod please

  16. ExEssex says:

    10:32 wow. Good for them!

  17. Juice Box says:

    Interesting the House just voted to allow DC to become a state along a party line vote. It’s a total of 68 square miles, as a comparison my town is 58 square miles. The DC metro area burbs and all is 6 million people. It would be more suitable perhaps to include all of that area as one state and not just DC proper.

  18. Juice Box says:

    Thanks to the FED everyone is a gambler now.

    Options call volume has more than doubled since pre-pandemic.

    Call volume 6.8 million for December 2019
    Call volume 16.7 million for December 2020

    Put volume 3.8 million for December 2019
    Put volume 6.6 million for December 2020

  19. EddieSeesOneEngineDearLeaderPlaneOnWayToMoscow says:

    BTW, how soon does any one think they are going to see something like this and to where are they going to flee?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-22/turks-suspect-massive-crypto-losses-as-exchange-ceo-goes-missing

    The Turkish crypto exchange Thodex ceased operations and its chief executive officer has fled the nation amid allegations that hundreds of millions of dollars were stolen.

    A prosecutor in Istanbul has launched an investigation and police are searching the Thodex offices, the state-run Anadolu Agency reported. The trading platform is “unable” to continue operations with founder and CEO Faruk Fatih Ozer out of the country, the company said in a written statement earlier Thursday.

    While not the largest Turkish crypto exchange, the shuttering of the platform has left the remaining assets of about 390,000 active users “irretrievable,” according to Oguz Evren Kilic, who represents an unspecified number of Thodex users and has filed a legal complaint on their behalf.

    As authorities and customers try to work out the details of what happened, officials are calling for rapid regulation of the crypto market. A surge in the prices of digital tokens has been accompanied by convictions globally in scams tied to crypto platforms as well as speculation that authorities will seek tighter controls.

    The Turkish government should take action “as soon as possible,” Cemil Ertem, senior economic adviser to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, told Bloomberg on Thursday. “Pyramid schemes are being established in this area. Turkey will undoubtedly carry out a regulation that’s in line with its economy but also by following global developments.”

    ‘Hacking Incident’

    Thodex was unable to continue commercial operations after Ozer failed to transfer his “shares to another investor,” the CEO said in a statement on the company’s website. He blamed the exchange’s financial woes on a “hacking incident” he said happened years ago. The number of people who have investments in the exchange is “about 30,000” the chief executive said.

    Ozer hasn’t responded to multiple calls to his mobile phone. Bedirhan Oguz Basibuyuk, the company’s lawyer, said he doesn’t know where Ozer is, but that he plans to return only after payments to all users have been made.

    The Demiroren News Agency said he fled to Albania on Tuesday, publishing what it said was a photo of Ozer at the airport.

  20. JCer says:

    Juice the hypocrisy is showing. All the democrats and left leaning people accused Trump and the republicans of trying to destroy democracy, etc. Now in the first 4 months of democrat control we have seen legislation to pack the supreme court, DC statehood, I’m sure PR is not far behind, and fundamental changes to the voting process.

    I’m sorry at this point the democrats are actively trying to subvert democracy and fundamentally change the government for their advantage. Any American who isn’t disgusted by what is transpiring is no American at all, people should be very upset by the blatant power grab that is in process. With an hope someone on the democrat side will stand up for what is right.

  21. njtownhomer says:

    good for DC, and next would be PR. Enough of Dakota’s and Carolina’s.

  22. Libturd says:

    Juice,

    What worries me about this country is that the two party system is killing it. Ethics and morals absolutely do not matter anymore. But worse now, governance no longer considers what is good for the country. Only what is good for the party. Certainly, the filibuster needs to end. DC need not be a state and the Supreme court need not be stacked. At the same time, you can’t tell Obama there is not enough time to vet a judge and then tell Trump there is. Clearly our government is broken. Our press is broken. Our stock market is broken. Our banks are broken. There is little to like about the future of our country right now and the two parties are playing divisiveness over compromise 100% of the time. Our FED is shooting blanks too. A decade and a half of low interest policy has poor fools investing in crypto slugs and other no value, high risk ventures. And the Queen of risk-taking is being heralded as the next Warren Buffet. Either I’ve become a completely out-of-touch old fart at age fifty or I am going to be dramatically proven right. Time will tell and I have a feeling it will tell us before the end of this year. Though who knows. I’m not even sure you can call the market forward looking any longer. And how the fukc are SPACs even legal? Are we trying to turn our market into the Shenzhen?

  23. Libturd says:

    JCer,

    When are we going to see Trump’s tax forms? Both parties are playing the exact same game. What went down in Georgia is just another example. Yet we praise these assholes.

  24. SmallGovConservative says:

    JCer says:
    April 22, 2021 at 1:15 pm

    “I’m sorry at this point the democrats are actively trying to subvert democracy…”

    This really shouldn’t surprise anyone. As I’ve mentioned many times, the modern-Dem party has moved so radically to the left, that they are simply unfit to govern. With so many examples of Dem malfeasance at the city and state levels, is the incompetence of the Biden admin (border crisis for example) any surprise? And with Dems now nothing more that self-righteous activists out to settle as many scores as possible, is it any surprise that they’re now governing the country in the same way that DeBlasio is governing NYC?

  25. 3b says:

    Juice: DC should not become a state, as you know it was set up specifically so it was not in a state. The area around the White House and Capitol should remain a Federal zone , and the rest given back to Maryland, which ceded the land in the first place.

  26. 3b says:

    I would say a lot of the moderates who voted for Biden are disappointed. He is not the centrist he claimed to be, although I don’t think he is calling the shots.

  27. Libturd says:

    Doesn’t it suck my fellow Republican’s? Scream it from the rooftops. There is absolutely nothing you can do but complain. This is what the last four years of Trump’s lies and Mitch’s hypocrisy looks like. Don’t worry though. Like Karen Carpenter once said, “We’ve only just begun.”

    Sit back and enjoy the show.

  28. Libturd says:

    3B,

    He’s far from progressive. Did you see the stimulus? Same old dirty tricks Obama used to enrich his financiers. It’s so easy for these “green” companies to go belly up, but long before their owners take their millions in salary paid through government subsidy. This is America today.

  29. Libturd says:

    Pelosi is calling the shots. She too is far from progressive. Pelosi is calling the shots, because she, and she alone got Biden nominated. I can only imagine how much of the shop she gave away to get the black vote to pull for Biden and all of the other nominees to get back in line? I don’t know that Biden ever made a meaningful decision on his own.

  30. Hold my beer says:

    Why shouldn’t Puerto Rico be a state? PR would be ranked 31st in population as a state. It has more than twice the population of Hawaii

  31. Libturd says:

    I was just sent an online gambling offer from Borgata that is simply too good to refuse. I’ve never gambled online, but now I know why. What a sucker’s bet.

    My offer gives me $100 in Borgata comp for a $10 deposit, so I come out way ahead win or lose. They also gave me $30 in bonus bets for free. Though that $30, I must play through 15X. That’s insane. Volatility alone will reduce that $30 to zero probably 99.9% of the time. They will match your deposit up to $1,000 with the same 15X play through requirement. I imagine even $1,000 will be worth less than $50 by the time you play it through 15X. Worst of all, judging by the paytables on the video poker and table games, I put the return at somewhere around 90%, probably lower. I can only imagine how much hard earned money is being flushed down the toilet at these sites.

  32. 3b says:

    Lib: Biden is at least progressive in his rhetoric. The constant stating that the US is systemically racist, sorry I don’t believe it. Is there racism? Yes and there will always be some form of it. And where was Biden for almost 50 years with his systemic racism comments? And Nancy, and Maxine? Or did we just become systemically racist when Trump was President? Paying off student loan debt, free community college, green energy , all plays to the progressive wing of the party.

  33. Libturd says:

    What just happened? The markets just reversed hard.

  34. Libturd says:

    You can’t expect Biden to become a conservative, much like you couldn’t believe Trump, the least religious man ever, wasn’t laughing inside when the evangelicals were blessing his first term in the West Wing that would have made Odame Brown blush. Biden is as far right as the left goes.

  35. 3b says:

    Hold: If PR becomes a state, we will have to become an official bilingual country like Canada. Additionally, if it does we will have violence from those who are against it. Expect at least a low level guruellia war.

  36. 3b says:

    Lib: Not a conservative, but a moderate as he claimed he was. We need to get beyond Trump, he was a one off lunatic, but not a politician. Biden is a nearly 50 year career politician. That’s the difference.

  37. Hold my beer says:

    3b

    We already have that going on. We could be like italy was in the 70s, but without the great food and Roman ruins

  38. 3b says:

    Lib Capital gains tax hike by Biden.

  39. 3b says:

    Hold: It would be worse. Because if PR were to become a state, they can never leave. So I would expect some serious violence. As well expect other countries like Russia / China would quietly support them. Personally, I think PR should have become independent years ago.

  40. Juice Box says:

    Lib – re:”What just happened?”

    Tax the rich story from Pravda.

    Raise top marginal income tax rate to 39.6 percent, raise capital gains taxes from 20% to 39.6 percent and other tax law changes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/22/business/biden-taxes.html

  41. No One says:

    Libturd,
    1:21, good post. Just because you and I are getting older doesn’t mean you’re not right. Gambling fools will mostly end up in tears. Central banking is central planning, this is what financial repression looks like. The Fed took away nearly all returns from low and moderate risk investments, which ends up pushing people into speculations. Banks financing real long run investments – probably not so much. Modern Keynesian economics hates savers and savings, and they are following that philosophy.

  42. 3b says:

    You can buy 40 year muni bonds with coupons of 3 to 4 percent!! Hurry hurry!!

  43. The editor, National Review says:

    You’re hired!

  44. Libturd says:

    The only good thing about PR statehood would be that NJ might move up to 2nd worst in a whole bunch of categories.

  45. Bystander says:

    We’ll talk about fairness when SD and ND get 1 senator each for representing less people than Bergen and Essex.

  46. Juice Box says:

    Look ole sleepy Joe comes from a state with 735,000 people. What is fair about him being in office for nearly 50 years?

  47. Bystander says:

    All for it Juice. If your population represents less than .005 of entire US population then 1 senator. Now, how would Senate look? My guess is Rs would not like it.

  48. 3b says:

    We have too many states to begin with. There should be one state of Dakota. Idaho and Montana combined. As well as Arizona and NM. And Wyoming and Utah. The New England states should all be combined, and add upstate NY. NYC and suburbs up to Dutchess and Putnam, and southern Ct and North Jersey should be one state. Monmouth down to Cape May should be part of Pennsylvania. Western Jersey too except Union throw that in with the state of NYC.

  49. 3b says:

    Make Delaware part of Pennsylvania too.

  50. BRT says:

    Just get 1% of those fleeing California to go to both Dakotas and you can flip the states.

  51. 3b says:

    If DC becomes a state what would it be called? Columbia? I don’t think so as in Christopher Columbus. East Washington ? Maybe Districtlia?

  52. Libturd says:

    “If DC becomes a state what would it be called?”

    That’s easy. District of Corruption.

  53. ExEssex says:

    6:20 Wakanda

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    People dream of a world where they can all tell themselves, “look, im the good guy!”

    That’s why people hate capitalism so much. They hate the idea of competition and can’t handle losing. They decide collectively, we are all better off winning…whatever that means.

    3b says:
    April 22, 2021 at 6:20 pm
    If DC becomes a state what would it be called? Columbia? I don’t think so as in Christopher Columbus. East Washington ? Maybe Districtlia?

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib,

    Cathie Woods has a gift at picking trends. She is much different than Buffett. She risks it all, over and over, and has come out winning. It’s wild. I used to laugh at her, but not anymore. I matured in my understanding of her and the risks she takes.

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You want to ride with a Cathie when you don’t understand innovation in a rapidly changing world. She understands it way more than I ever will. Take my money and charge me your fees. I am better off than I would be with putting in on a s&p 500 index fund.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Banks Are Drowning in Cash. Why That’s a Problem.

    https://apple.news/AdxmJrCnPRJWx-3pZuA3aNA

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Help Wanted
    The job market is tighter than you think. Yes, employment is still down 8.4 million from its pre-pandemic peak and the Federal Reserve says the unemployment rate is above 9% when you count people who dropped out of the labor force or were misclassified in federal surveys. By those measures, the labor market seems awash in slack, with job seekers swamping demand for workers, Greg Ip writes.

    But solid wage growth and unfilled job openings point to much less slack than after the previous recession. The Labor Department’s widely followed average earnings data are distorted by the disproportionate drop in low-wage work, so you need to consult measures that filter out these compositional effects. One, median wage growth as tracked by the Atlanta Fed, was 3.4% in February, barely changed from before the pandemic.

    Another sign of a tightening labor market: employers having trouble staffing up. The Fed’s beige book, an anecdotal survey of economic conditions, this month reported shortages of drivers; entry-level, low-wage and skilled workers; child-care and information-technology staff; specialty trades; and nurses. Federal data show some 7.4 million jobs were open in February, above the pre-pandemic level.

    What’s happening? The demand for workers is recovering, but the supply of workers, not so much. Adjusted for population growth, the labor force is roughly five million smaller than before the pandemic. Only a small share of those dropouts want a job. Some people are sick or caring for someone who is, others are afraid of catching or spreading the virus, many are caring for children. Stimulus checks and unemployment insurance might also have kept potential job seekers on the sidelines. As vaccination spreads, the virus-related obstacles to working should recede. But if workers are slow to return, the result would be even faster wage gains for those who do work, and one more reason to worry about inflation.

  59. Bystander says:

    I heard a liquor store had a help wanted ad. This sheeeeeet about the explode. Line cooks can name their own price as old, rich fat ass country club members want to stuff their gourds this summer. Have a college degree, masters, tech skills, experience and certifications?..sorry we have Indians for that. Welcome to new Ameri-cant.

    Experienced Line Cook
    new
    Rockrimmon Country Club
    Stamford, CT 06903 (North Stamford area)
    $20 – $24 an hour

    IT Project Manager
    new
    New Haven, CT 06511 (East Rock area)
    $18 – $25 an hour

  60. grim says:

    Nobody paying $18 for an IT PM is really looking for, or needs and IT PM.

  61. grim says:

    Raising the federal minimum wage wouldn’t really do anything at this point, unless it pushed past 14 or 15 an hour.

    Can’t hire people at $12-13/hr across most of the US, and this includes the southeast.

    Pushing to $9-$10 for political reasons would have nearly zero economic impact to employers at this point.

  62. Chicago says:

    First rule of $18 IT PM is don’t talk about $18 IT PM.

  63. Fast Eddie says:

    Geez, I remember working construction in the early 90s for $10 per hour. We worked from 7 AM to 5 PM and I used to drive to and from the jobs, often 90 minutes away. All I would do is come home, eat and sleep, get up at 5 AM, drive and then do it again. This was heavy construction, putting sanitary and storm systems in the ground. This was just one of many jobs where I busted my @ss for very little pay. It’s just the way it was, nobody questioned it. I loaded trucks, sometimes 16 hour shifts, cleaned bathrooms… many, many shit jobs for peanuts. Imagine that… $10 per hour, not too long ago.

  64. Anon says:

    Pumpkin,

    If you supported capitalism and free competition you wouldn’t work in a public sector job with union protections and you wouldn’t object to a ping pong center being built across the street from you house.

    I believe if you focus on how your insecurities drive your thinking you might find it easier to formulate positions without constantly contradicting yourself.

  65. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Anon,

    I don’t care. It was a competition to get my job, it’s not like it was just handed to me. Suck it. Ping pong center? If you are okay with changing the zoning next door to your house from residential to commercial to allow someone to put up a ping pong center, you are no capitalist. Capitalist protects capital at all costs. Hate the game, don’t hate the player.

  66. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    That was 30 years ago. $10/hr was decent money.

    Chi,

    Hah, I am ready to fight someone for sure. I had one offer $40/hr for “Sr” role and I told her my garbage man makes more. Menial labor has a lot more leverage than technical skills and knowledge right now.

  67. PumpkinFace says:

    “The fundamental underpinning of Capitalism is a strong and uncompromising system of state and local zoning regulations dictating the rules of private property ownership and the usage thereof.” – Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, chapter 2 page 26

  68. Anon says:

    @ 8:46

    Lol!

    It is hard to trust someone who isn’t even honest with himself.

  69. BRT says:

    He’s against Table Tennis? Seems like just another form of racism against Asians to me. That’s the angle I would go with to get it approved these days.

  70. Anon says:

    “Capitalism protects capital at all costs” – except when it comes to you choosing to invest your capital in ARKK. You did less due diligence than a real capitalist does when ordering their morning coffee. Ergo, you aren’t protecting, you are speculating. And aren’t protecting any capital in the empty lot near your house because it isn’t yours to protect. You are speculating that whatever happens will align with your personal interest.

    Nobody here hates the game; we hate that you don’t bother to understand the rules.

    I wonder how Pumpkin would feel – or fare – if his employer laid off 10-30% of its workforce every few years due to poor performance or a reorg.

  71. Hold my beer says:

    I was at a Buccees the other day. Buccees is a chain of gas stations in Texas. Each location has over 60 pumps and a convenience store the size of a grocery store . Their cashiers and stock people start at $14 an hour. Buccees are on highways in Texas in rural/small towns. $14 an hour to be a cashier over an hour south of Dallas

  72. Hold my beer says:

    Here’s a link to the one I was at. These places are actually like tourist roadside America places. Check out the photos. There’s nothing like it that I know of in the northeast

    https://m.yelp.com/biz/buc-ee-s-ennis?osq=Buc+Cees

  73. joyce says:

    The next thing you’ll tell me is the S&P index isn’t in the 400’s anymore.

    Bystander says:
    April 23, 2021 at 8:41 am
    Ed,

    That was 30 years ago. $10/hr was decent money.

  74. 3b says:

    Phoenix: What baby boomers are having babies? The gender reveal thing is a millennial thing I believe.

  75. The Great Pumpkin says:

    https://youtu.be/eFTLKWw542g

    Anon says:
    April 23, 2021 at 9:34 am
    “Capitalism protects capital at all costs” – except when it comes to you choosing to invest your capital in ARKK. You did less due diligence than a real capitalist does when ordering their morning coffee. Ergo, you aren’t protecting, you are speculating. And aren’t protecting any capital in the empty lot near your house because it isn’t yours to protect. You are speculating that whatever happens will align with your personal interest.

    Nobody here hates the game; we hate that you don’t bother to understand the rules.

    I wonder how Pumpkin would feel – or fare – if his employer laid off 10-30% of its workforce every few years due to poor performance or a reorg.

  76. Fast Eddie says:

    Bystander,

    It was back-breaking work for $10 hour. straight pay, no overtime, no perks. It was a 14 to 15 hour day with driving and after taxes and gas, I was practically working for nothing. Just saying. I worked every shit job on the planet without an alternative. It’s probably one of the main reasons I can’t stomach the left and their little c0cksucking, whining followers.

  77. ExEssex says:

    10:03

    Please. You sound like an idiot.

  78. ExEssex says:

    Some people really understand work:

    https://youtu.be/sI5VuBzo-Qc

  79. Phoenix says:

    3b
    That was the headline. Baby+Explosives.

    Wait till they get the bill for that one. There goes that kids college money.

  80. Phoenix says:

    HMB

    60 pumps. Bet you get to pump your own gas as well.

    Where I am living, suddenly there is a rash of card thefts at gas stations,

    I never use a debit card, ever.

  81. Libturd says:

    Patty [as Linus is writing to the Great Pumpkin]: “You’re wasting your time; the Great Pumpkin is a fake!”

    Linus [writing]: “Everyone tells me you are a fake, but I believe in you. P.S.: if you really are a fake, don’t tell me. I don’t want to know.”

  82. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    Liberty. Free to pump your own gas.

    Their frito pies are delicious. It’s a burrito with refutes bean, taco meat, chili, shredded cheese, and Fritos.

  83. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    That was a great article on another gender reveal party. Never underestimate how dumb human beings can act to reveal the gender of their fck trophy.

  84. 3b says:

    Phoenix: You can’t fix stupid! Property damage, including people claiming their foundations were damaged. It’s amazing how dumb people are becoming.

  85. Anon says:

    @10:16

    Anon [sticks thumb in mouth and shamefully slinks away with blanket.]

  86. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Over the past 6 years, arkk has done well every year. What more do you want?

    “except when it comes to you choosing to invest your capital in ARKK. You did less due diligence than a real capitalist does when ordering their morning coffee.”

  87. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    There are still plenty of people doing back breaking work for little pay. What is your point? What does any of this have to do with Democrats or Republicans?

  88. JCer says:

    Ed, the problem is the supporters of the dems don’t understand that more government is rarely the answer. The labor market will sort it out in the absence of government meddling, look the swiss they do not have a minimum wage yet people aren’t being paid $2 an hour but they have a labor shortage and only allow guest workers to address the shortage and strictly control the numbers allowed. Let the market value labor as long as you are not flooding the supply, we have allowed the supply to be flooded and then they complain about wages being too low.

  89. joyce says:

    JCer

    yes, yes, yes

  90. ExEssex says:

    Government does play a role though. Take Infrastructure for example.
    Take the space program and the resulting technologies. Often we need government to put its weight behind these public / private partnerships.

  91. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ying and yang…

    The problem is when the equilibrium swings too far to either side…

    ExEssex says:
    April 23, 2021 at 12:04 pm
    Government does play a role though. Take Infrastructure for example.
    Take the space program and the resulting technologies. Often we need government to put its weight behind these public / private partnerships.

  92. Bystander says:

    The Swiss also have 14 weeks paid maternity, universal healthcare, laws against working on weekends, laws against working overtime, laws that worker as adequate working space with minimum distance to a window. See when you treat worker with dignity then you can discuss just wage. In US, you have ask everything as a line item to see if getting f_ed, which we are.

  93. chicagofinance says:

    Ping pong center…. IDK why but this hit my super funny bone this Friday afternoon….

  94. Libturd says:

    Every time I see the ping pong center, an image of Marilyn Chambers (which was burned into my spank bank probably long before puberty) firing ping pong balls out of her privates comes to mind.

  95. joyce says:

    I agree with this as well. But think about how much those provisions cost businesses either via taxes or compliance costs… and they are still paying at least decent wages.

    Bystander says:
    April 23, 2021 at 12:20 pm
    The Swiss also have 14 weeks paid maternity, universal healthcare, laws against working on weekends, laws against working overtime, laws that worker as adequate working space with minimum distance to a window. See when you treat worker with dignity then you can discuss just wage. In US, you have ask everything as a line item to see if getting f_ed, which we are.

  96. Phoenix says:

    Joyce,
    Switzerland- It’s a different mentality than here, and it’s not going to change.

    Now, here in the perianal area of the world, a dental claim I made in October 2020 was denied yesterday. Took them 6 months to deny?

    There is no part of this country anymore where you are not surrounded by a sphincter of one kind or another.

  97. leftwing says:

    Can someone with knowledge of IT/SD tell me what the real life difference is between the below and these liberal arts ‘CS’ undergrads getting starting wages of $125k+ straight out of school at Amazon, Google, etc?

    Even assuming a better rate of $50/hr that’s still just $100k or so for someone with at least a decade of experience vs. the newly minted undergrad?

    ELI5 please….can’t be skills, knowledge, and technical since the undergrad basically has none, no?

    TYIA

    IT Project Manager
    New Haven, CT 06511 (East Rock area)
    $18 – $25 an hour

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    There are still plenty of people doing back breaking work for little pay. What is your point? What does any of this have to do with Democrats or Republicans?

    There’s no such thing as a Democrat party any longer. They used to be blue-collar guys that worked hard and loved and fought for America. Today, it’s a conglomerate of subversive agitators looking for love and acceptance. It’s political pr0stitution at its finest, chock full of mentally transmitted d1seases. These leftist renegades don’t have the consistency, character or mentality to put their nose to the grindstone and produce with diligence and determination. They’re too busy cheering on the AOC mentality and hoping for a birth to death subsidy.

  99. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    You are a cartoon character!

  100. chicagofinance says:

    “We can only progress if we recognize that even murderers and abusers are victims, as they’re usually suffering at the hands of complex emotional and intergenerational trauma which compels them to commit awful acts,” West added. “We should uplift compassion and understanding above all else.”

  101. leftwing says:

    “We can only progress if we recognize that even murderers and abusers are victims…We should uplift compassion and understanding above all else.”

    Yeah, for POSs like that I’ll uplift my Beretta and push a round of compassion through their chest….pretty simple and easy to understand. Even for them. Especially for them.

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  103. Fast Eddie says:

    …they’re usually suffering at the hands of complex emotional and intergenerational trauma which compels them to commit awful acts…

    If they only had flavored crayons and a blankey, this wouldn’t have happened.

  104. Phoenix says:

    What about those who make false allegations of abuse when there is none?

    “We can only progress if we recognize that even murderers and abusers are victims…We should uplift compassion and understanding above all else.”

    Yeah, for POSs like that I’ll uplift my Beretta and push a round of compassion through their chest….pretty simple and easy to understand. Even for them. Especially for them.

  105. 30 year realtor says:

    When you guys are done shooting and being tough guys, someone has to address these issues on a more serious level. It is important to understand mental illness. The mentally ill in this country often end up in prison on living on the streets. Suicide and addiction are not signs of a healthy society. Most medical insurance comes up short on coverage leaving people without treatment. This country can do a better job.

    Perhaps you fellows would benefit from a bit of therapy. You could work on the bottled up rage and hyper masculinity.

  106. 3b says:

    We can do more for mental health in this country, that’s for sure. If I remember however, a lot of troubled people were released over the years from facilities as the ACLU and others deemed it wrong that these people be held in mental health facilities, but no alternatives put in place.

    And some other people are just bad, period.

  107. Bystander says:

    left,

    There is a belief that graduating from a top tier school means you are brilliant, motivated, have been trained by the best, with cutting edge technology. Ivies, Stanford, Cal, MIT basically all command large salaries from start. Even regional schools RPI and Carnegie Mellon have highly sought after grads in Northeast. Hedgies, fin tech, Amazon, Google won’t hire from anywhere else. Realistically, it is image and appearance. They want to be seen as young and hip. These younger kids get the cutting edge work, client facing roles while grunt work gets H1bed or outsourced. Lots of great programmers are older and culturally it gets hard to survive as you will get managed by 20 somethings while you are in 3os / 40s. Most will just move on to where they fit in and once you get out of big name firms, the pay goes down considerably. You are worked to bone and because they have outsource contracts, no leverage. Just have to ride it out if you want to stay employed.

  108. Bystander says:

    Just remember, Ed, you love them at Dead shows though. Phish 3 nights at AC mid Aug this summer. Anyone want a hazy, blurry-eyed weekend then that is your place. Warning, subversive agitators all around..love and acceptance too…if you got the good pills.

  109. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Newest Status Symbol for Homeowners? Trophy Trees

    REAL ESTATE
    The trophy tree business is booming.

    “What the hell is a trophy tree?” you are probably wondering. It’s the same question I asked myself before diving into this week’s cover story from Mansion’s Katherine Clarke, who examined the hoops the super rich will jump through in order to create their ideal garden. High-end homeowners are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for the perfect tree, whether it’s a giant kapok, an enormous canopied oak, a ficus or a banyan. 🌳

  110. Fast Eddie says:

    Just remember, Ed, you love them at Dead shows though.

    The difference is that the subversive agitators of yesteryear at least knew the difference between fantasy and reality. Today’s crowd thinks fantasy IS reality.

  111. Juice Box says:

    Anybody here do an ebike conversion? Just ordered a 1000 watt hub motor and 14 amp hour battery setup. No a bad price all in about $700, seems Amazon got allot of these specialty markets for made in China all sewn up. I cannot even find the gear really much cheaper to order on e-bay or alibaba without massive freight charges or even the manufacturers website. Most of the gear sans the battery will be here by Sunday!

    Should give me plenty of range to go to the beach and back without having to call for a pickup if I am 30 miles from home.

  112. Bystander says:

    Drugs are stronger Ed.

  113. BRT says:

    Canadian health minister was questioned on why they don’t recommend Canadians to supplement vitamin D for the pandemic. She responds that she only follows science and not “fake news”. I guess the “top doctor” in Canada doesn’t read any actual scientific literature.

  114. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – “It was back-breaking work”

    Yes it was did my share in high school and college. Built retaining walls out of rock and stone. Brick patios, bluestone steps and really any kind of landscape construction you can think of tree plantings, new lawns clearing woods etc on all of those fancy homes from Ridgewood and Paramus up Rt 17 north. Woke early, worked long and hard and then proceeded to partied hard too. Never had a better tan, body and really outlook on life since then.

    Most of us were legendary partiers. It all ended when “Brenda and Eddie the
    Popular steadys” got engaged and married. They were the King and Queen. We all went our separate ways after that marriage. Imagine being married at 19? Sounds crazy today….

  115. Hold my beer says:

    Do you get more wood from a trophy tree or trophy wife?

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    April 23, 2021 at 3:35 pm
    The Newest Status Symbol for Homeowners? Trophy Trees

  116. Juice Box says:

    re: Trophy Tree…from WSJ…150 year old olive tree olive tree imported from Tuscany planted inside a spec house courtyard in LA? I have seen ones several thousand years old in Greece. Seems the developer went cheap on his $65 Million dollar spec house. Unless they add spectrum lighting that tree old will die that tiny courtyard even in california. Not nearly enough sunlight.

    Yeah all the crap is back again. Trees, statues in the yards etc, next thing you know people will be paying thousands for vintage lawn boys…….

  117. Phoenix says:

    Try to be a bit less condescending. Plenty of women need therapy. And some need jail time as well. Too bad most of them get a pass. Here is one for example. How much you wanna bet she is treated with “kid gloves?”

    https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/morris/news/prosecutor-leonia-phys-ed-teacher-had-inappropriate-sexual-relationship-with-student/807616/

    “When you guys are done shooting and being tough guys, someone has to address these issues on a more serious level. It is important to understand mental illness. The mentally ill in this country often end up in prison on living on the streets. Suicide and addiction are not signs of a healthy society. Most medical insurance comes up short on coverage leaving people without treatment. This country can do a better job.

    Perhaps you fellows would benefit from a bit of therapy. You could work on the bottled up rage and hyper masculinity.”

  118. Phoenix says:

    “Do you get more wood from a trophy tree or trophy wife?”

    Ask ExEssex. He claims to have one. Maybe he has both.

  119. Libturd says:

    Speaking of trophy trees, I have a dead Maple in the backyard of my multi that is going to need to come down. This mother effer is huge. I’m talking easily 3 times the height of the home. This tree had to have been here before the home was built. I can only imagine what this is going to cost me.

  120. Libturd says:

    Juice,

    Let me know if you see a flashing green light at then end of their dock.

  121. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    Just get some spikes, a rop e, and a chainsaw. You can rent some of it at home Depot. Piece of cake.

  122. Hold my beer says:

    Lib

    At least 2k is my guess

  123. Juice Box says:

    Lib – re: “green lights” Yeah night vision goggles the navy used to film that.

    Can’t wait for the report, as we are not alone, it’s actually impossible that we are as on a long enough time line anything can and will happen, like Pumps being right!

  124. Grim says:

    Stu – crane job? 5k

  125. leftwing says:

    Bystander, maybe…not convinced…..

    AMZN was literally hiring kids with CS certificates (not degrees) at about $80k…

    The hiring at ‘major tech’ is not just from the top schools…far from it. GPA is important, though. Know this for a fact from my son’s peers.

    Also, they set the bar for the industry. Other firms if they don’t match certainly benchmark, ie. slight discount if the local market is second tier or the opportunity slightly less desirable.

    Lastly, in the CS world Carnegie Mellon is top shelf, no? I know more than one kid that got into MIT or Stanford and not Carnegie….

    I guess I’m still at a loss as to why 22 year olds are getting comped 20% more in their first year of employment than someone with a decade or so of experience…to make an analogy, I get why a GP is never going to be comped like an ortho surgeon, and why the GP can’t really change tracks mid-career to become an ortho surgeon, Just trying to understand the developer landscape in the same terms if that makes any sense….

  126. 30 year realtor says:

    Phoenix,

    I sympathize with you. In 1997 my ex wife intentionally harmed herself and called in a domestic violence complaint. Police got her to admit she intentionally injured herself and didn’t arrest her.

    All this doesn’t mean the solution is bravado and guns for every problem. Leftwing attempts to be Mr. Logic and clear thinking until shooting becomes his final solution. Has to be at least three times in the last several weeks he has made such a recommendation.

  127. 30 year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    If you were your current age when the Dead were in their prime, you would have called them a bunch of draft dodging communists and drug addicts. You are so full of sh#t!

  128. leftwing says:

    “When you guys are done shooting and being tough guys, someone has to address these issues on a more serious level…Perhaps you fellows would benefit from a bit of therapy. You could work on the bottled up rage and hyper masculinity.”

    Hmmmm, do you offer armchair quarterback therapy to match your armchair quarterback diagnoses?

    And I am quite happy (no rage) but also quite serious….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP0457ngB9o&ab_channel=FOX2St.Louis

    Bottom line, if one is at the point where there is not a single parent, brother, sister, other family member, friend, co-worker, schoolmate, or anyone else in your life to assist you before you descend into isolated madness or criminality it is the responsibility of the State to ensure that, first, you do no harm to others and then you do no harm to yourself. You are the definition of alone.

    Must be an absolutely horrible existence, if one could actually call it an existence, and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. I have all the empathy in the world for these people, however, if there is literally no one in the world you know who can/would step up for you then society as a last resort will try to nurse you through your existence but first is obligated to protect itself from you.

  129. leftwing says:

    “Leftwing attempts to be Mr. Logic and clear thinking until shooting becomes his final solution. Has to be at least three times in the last several weeks he has made such a recommendation.”

    Twice. When our borders were flung open with zero accountability and murderers are now the victims.

    I only surrender reason and logic when the other side demands so…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JfR_edlEfM&ab_channel=JustPressPlay

    :)

  130. 3b says:

    Kimberly Clark and Proctor Gamble raising prices across the board, rise in commodity prices, and a decline in toilet paper sales for KC. Maybe more people adding bidets, which are great by the way!! Don’t worry Jerome has it all under control; there is no inflation.

  131. Fabius Maximus says:

    Trophy Trees.
    I remember posting a CraigsList listing back in 2008. The house was going back to the bank and he was selling off the landscaping.

  132. JCer says:

    Stu, my bet on your tree is $3600, I’ve had so many trees removed(current count is 40), provided they can get equipment in most big trees are right around the 3k mark, if it is inaccessible and they have to carry it out 5k. I have a huge oak that will eventually need to be taken down, the lowest I’ve ever been able to get is 2k and that’s when they are already here.

    Left, I can give some insight into tech workers. First there is a big distinction between engineers and the others who are in a supporting role. Second there is a big difference between tech companies and other companies even if they have huge dependence on technology. Banks, airlines, consumer companies simply do not pay, they will pay at the top end(chief scientists, Innovation officer, C-level tech folks) but are very likely to outsource to offshore outlets who pay squat. Starting CS salaries were 80k 20 years ago, today they 100k from most quality schools(not just CMU or MIT but even state schools like Rutgers). The other issue is the salary band is narrow, a developer can make 120k out of school but as an experienced person only be making 180k 20 years out of school. The pressure on wages is very real and there certainly is a view that younger is better a 20 year developer who is all of 42 is considered expendable and over the hill. Older developers tend to be a difficult group to place, many have experience in technology that is no longer in vogue, they are behind the times but also that is the perception add the higher salaries and other inconveniences of the older employee(family, commitments, etc) younger folks are favored and experience is viewed as a negative more than a positive. 125-150k it is pretty easy to get a job as an engineer, literally for anyone half way decent they can get a job in a week or 2, it’s getting a better position than that which is tricky. A decade ago banks were hiring quality talent and paying a premium, I used to sit next to developers and technical people making 300-400k, today it’s a different world all together.

    Also the key thing to note is that’s not a real job at $50 an hour it’s all about bringing in folks on visas. I used to work on visas to bring people over all the time, these guys were thrilled to come over for 85k a year because it was 3 to 4 times what they were making in India. The only positive I saw from Trump was how much more difficult it was to get the visas processed.

  133. grim says:

    Lol, NJ changed the vax dashboard yesterday?

  134. grim says:

    Best thing you can do in the tech space is get a set of arm sleeve tattoos and a cool haircut. Tell stories about being a superstar at turning millennials into highly effective scrum masters. Target series C startups and disruptors, help them understand that adult supervision is beneficial.

  135. Phoenix says:

    ” I have all the empathy in the world for these people, however, if there is literally no one in the world you know who can/would step up for you then society as a last resort will try to nurse you through your existence but first is obligated to protect itself from you.”

    Hell of a comment. The irony is that sometimes, it’s the same society that you don’t even ask to “nurse you,” just not get involved in your life- screws up your life – then decides it no longer wants you around and “protects itself” from the exact being it created.

  136. Phoenix says:

    They went first, right?

    “Women Represent Close to 70% of the Global Healthcare Workforce. In 2017, almost half of all doctors in Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries were women.”

    https://www.catalyst.org/research/women-in-healthcare/

  137. ExEssex says:

    7:59 Scott Rudin has entered the chat.

  138. leftwing says:

    JCer, thanks. That makes sense. I had a feeling about the comp of older engineers (software developers, same thing?) being relatively static from baseline comp. Weird trait of the industry, the optimal intersection of experience/comp in other sectors where comp begins to flatten is definitely much later in life.

    Phoenix, with you brother. I’ve had my own (magical mystery) tour through Superior Court as well, possibly in the same room as you depending on your county of domicile. “Superior Court”, now there’s a misnomer if there ever were one….

  139. Bystander says:

    Yes, what JCer said. At some point, I will share a list of job titles from Wipro that they provide. If US Tech worker, you should try to avoid these titles as you will be competing against India labor costs which is losing battle. Your best shot is to use terms like product manager or product engineer and focus on adding value there.

  140. leftwing says:

    “I remember posting a CraigsList listing back in 2008. The house was going back to the bank and he was selling off the landscaping.”

    You white supremacist pig. You…..Treeist! Disgusting.

  141. leftwing says:

    Bystander, interesting approach. I like it….for career management I’ve advised kids to look at dream job postings that they are a few years from qualifying and then use the description and skills required to hone their immediate skills to that goal. Never thought of it in the reverse, using job postings to weed out less desirable career choices….TY

    It is mind boggling from nearly every policy perspective that a government – YOUR OWN government – would proactively undercut an entire (critical) sector of its own citizens’ employment. Utter stupidity. From a human perspective it is downright criminal. I mean, what leader not only allows that to happen but promotes it?

    The area in which I was raised was an economic and political monster over a century ago. In the span of fifty years it was decimated by bad policy. Final nail in the coffin was outsourcing of manufacturing. Still remember driving down one of the main thoroughfares much later, empty shells of manufacturing buildings one after another…think of the names of any great ‘American’ manufacturer and they were in the area, often more than one plant…..they went first empty, then to discount outlets, then abandoned, and finally burned down by arson and collapsed. There was a final step in between, apparently at one time the heavy, worn wooden factory flooring was highly valued overseas in housing decor. You could buy an an old factory and make good money stripping out the wood and selling it overseas…the wood was worth more than the entire rest of the factory and what it was used to produce…..

    Fundamentally amazing we are actively doing the same thing again, this time with our technology and technology talent. Gee, I wonder how that will turn out…..

    Anyway, sorry for that depressing thought on a beautiful Saturday morning. I’m headed outside. Need an antidote? Velvet Underground, live, Sweet Jane. Pure happiness.

    Good day all.

  142. Phoenix says:

    Left,

    Those who have not experienced this ride through hell will never understand. It’s all good. One critical piece of advice you gave me made me challenge a deck that was stacked against me. I will never forget that. It was eye opening like hitting the nitrous on a motorcycle.

    My quarter mile time got better, but I wish I had that advice in second gear instead of fourth. Not your fault, bad timing. I might have even won the race, but still doubtful due to the handicap they afford women. And thanks to res judicata- a handicap can really do you in. It’s not like criminal court.

    “I will share a list of job titles from Wipro that they provide.”
    Bystander, nice of you to help your fellow man.

  143. Bystander says:

    My bro is prime example. Had three offers at 90k back in 2000, graduating CS from RPI. He chose hedge fund (was 90th employee) and they immediately threw him into building trade libraries. Should never have been given task as no experience. He built it but they realized later how poorly done it was. His coworkers used to joke about it but it was integrated into tick reporting at that point. Firm exploded to 700 people then they paid heavy hitters to rewrite software. He spent 10 years supporting issues on libraries but they never trusted him with major build in trading again. He bounced around managing training, tech hiring and ran a QA team but his time ended two years ago at 40. Worked his @ss off and made good money but lots of people have homes on water in Greenwich working at that hedge fund. He never got there and now too old to stay in big leagues tech. He landed at offshoot startup foundation and riding it out. Still making good money but that ends, he knows that it won’t be replaced. I have to tell him reality as he has never worked elsewhere.

  144. Phoenix says:

    LW,

    It’s hard to believe that Paterson was the beginning of the American Industrial Revolution.

    Go to the falls, see Hamilton there. Now look at it.

  145. joyce says:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/04/nj-mans-death-certificate-should-have-listed-covid-sister-says-now-fema-wont-pay-for-funeral.html%3foutputType=amp

    She knows in her heart the 40-year-old died because of the coronavirus last May, but his death certificate says otherwise.

    Now, Rima Samman is seeking to correct the record. And while monetary relief isn’t her motivation, Samman says she is unable to apply for FEMA’s funeral assistance because her sibling’s manner of death is listed as “natural causes.” Her family paid about $5,500 for a funeral home to take care of his services, including cremation, she said.

    “I wonder how many others are in the same boat,” Rima Samman said. “(I am) unable to get closure, if that makes sense as well, because you don’t have the truth or you don’t have the correct information on your loved one… The FEMA benefits aren’t the priority. The priority is getting my brother’s death certificate to be legit.”

  146. Fast Eddie says:

    Need an antidote? Velvet Underground, live, Sweet Jane.

    What about Sister Ray? ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53F5nY68cBM

  147. Bystander says:

    Last before I go do yardwork..left, it is so pervasive yet people outside tech don’t even see it under their nose. There are swaths of H1B in the underground of every IB, every residential bank, every healthcare giant, every pharma co and every insurance conglomerate. When my old IB outsourced 100 networking roles, they hid Tata consultants in a tinted training room so no one could see them. My buddy tried to get me job at Philly investment firm in tech 3 years ago but he found out it was all outsourced. He had no idea. Pew estimated that something like 60% of H1B end of between philly, Nj, Nyc, Ct, Boston. I agree that Trump put up a few road blocks but end of day all H1B quota got filled. That is all that mattered. There is no president willing to take it on. How about change laws and ensure each state gets visa allotment. Want to work in US? Welcome to Iowa, not NJ. NJ business wants more low paid tech workers? Pay extra to get them from other states. Stopping the concentration in Northeast corridor would help alot of tech workers in the area.

  148. joyce says:

    Bystander,
    I agree it needs to be reformed… it should include raising the salaries and reducing the overall numbers. Regarding your geographic idea, wouldn’t that just result in the industries you mentioned continue to near shore people away from the tri-state?

  149. The Great Pumpkin says:

    A recipe for a “sh!t” product over time. That’s why innovation was so fast and done so well, they paid well. It always goes to sh!t when companies start cutting costs.

    Right; experience, who needs that.

    This world gets these idiots in control and they start f’ing everything up for short term costs that end up costing more in the long term. They kick the can down the road every single day in today’s businesses. Make the current short term numbers on the book look good, collect the bonus, and then leave when your short term savings crash the company. What a joke.

    Then people like Lib wonder why the stock market doesn’t ride fundamentals anymore…

    “The pressure on wages is very real and there certainly is a view that younger is better a 20 year developer who is all of 42 is considered expendable and over the hill. Older developers tend to be a difficult group to place, many have experience in technology that is no longer in vogue, they are behind the times but also that is the perception add the higher salaries and other inconveniences of the older employee(family, commitments, etc) younger folks are favored and experience is viewed as a negative more than a positive. 125-150k it is pretty easy to get a job as an engineer, literally for anyone half way decent they can get a job in a week or 2, it’s getting a better position than that which is tricky.”

  150. The Great Pumpkin says:

    We have to approach business with an understanding of what we want from society. Do we want to create businesses that only higher cheap inexperienced workers? Do we want businesses to get rid of individuals in their 50’s and 60’s? The company might save money, but there is a severe hidden cost to society for that. People get sad, start hurting themselves and the people around them, all because some idiot thought it’s a good idea to ruin people lives because they make too much and can be replaced cheaply by a 20 something or HB1.

    Capitalism without empathy is not cool. There are hidden costs put on society from the “lowest” cost mindset. It’s efficient alright, efficient at ruining lives. Capitalism doesn’t have to be this way…that’s the sad part.

  151. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Competition is needed and is a good thing. Putting people in an unfair competition for their labor is what is wrong. It’s like hunting bears by putting a pile of donuts there for two months..then killing him. It’s not a competition if they have no chance to win…that’s what labor is treated like in this country.

    Eddie, you always talk about the past and how great America was. Now why? They had jobs for life and were congratulated for putting 40 years of work into a company with a pension and watch. Today, they piss on you for being old and staying at the same company…just throw you in the garbage and then say it’s nothing personal, just business. That’s wrong on so many levels. There will be a price to be paid for this and it won’t result in a better society.

  152. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s sad, but I don’t expect them to change. That’s why I am investing in ARK funds. The way it looks like it’s going, the future will have an investor class and everyone else. So if you can, you mine as well invest in innovation and hope it saves you in the future.

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  154. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Think of what Home Depot and Walmart did to products over time…now apply this to the labor market….created a workforce that is cheap, shitty, and must constantly be replaced.

    Just like it’s now almost impossible to find a good product, the same thing is happening to the worker. They created this mess. Going to have legions of sh!ty replacement workers because they wouldn’t pay for good ones. Good job.

  155. Bystander says:

    Joyce,

    Near shoring will happen no matter, like ops, mo and bo but tech is one of the hardest to near shore as not much talent in large swaths of country. My old IB moved large amounts of tech to SLC only to pull it back two years later. It was impossible to manage. Also as JCer and Grim mentioned agile delivery relies heavily on co-location of IT delivery team. Basically you want majority of team in Pune, or NJ or wherever..you need scrum leads, analysts, dev, qa together to gain efficiencies. NYC area has probably 350k H1B together at any time..imagine the slack it creates in labor pool. Things are covered well enough. We want to expand..ok but low cost area only. We can wait 7 months to get right candidate. India has 90 day notice too. Imagine that little perk for US companies in India and stability it allows. The candidate has huge leverage when notice period ends in 30 days though. They get multiple offers then squeeze you or decline. Oh, they will also still cost 1/4 of US rate. Visa allotment would strangle the ability to have thousands of cheap H1b “delivery teams” in concentrated area. You would have to hire local to fill gaps or outsource fully. CIOs know this and don’t want too much contract competition. Right now, they get best of both worlds and slack caps wages for US tech. Time is the critical part of wages. How long can you wait to find higher paying role? If employed, wait for long time. How long if you were let go before lose health coverage or dip into savings? That is rub. Nearly every job now is meant for unemployed, trying to squeeze wages for talent.

  156. Bystander says:

    Mulching / weeding playlist

    Beck – E-pro
    Beck – Que onda guero
    Flaming Lips – Its Summertime
    Pavement- Rattled by Rush
    Ween – Transdermal Celebration
    Radiohead – No surprises
    White Denim – Street Joy
    My Morning Jacket – The Way that He Sings

    Enjoy day folks

  157. Phoenix says:

    Bystander,
    Just keep waving the American flag. It might make you feel better.

    Just like the soldier in his new car at the filling station getting pepper sprayed.

    He needed a dose of American Bear Spray to know just what a patriot deserves.

  158. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nah, low ball offers make finding help impossible. Pay up.

    “Covid Unemployment Relief Makes Help Impossible to Find
    Congress’s enhanced benefits make it more remunerative not to work. Employers are struggling.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-relief-makes-help-impossible-to-find-11619208369?st=pwxsxdhiilgh1tl&reflink=article_copyURL_share

  159. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If unemployment compensation is costing you employees, your compensation is the problem.

  160. Phoenix says:

    A fake 20 dollar bill gets you a fatal VQ mismatch, stealing millions gets you probation.

    The payroll manager of a Bergen County construction company admitted that he shorted a group of employees by more than $1 million in pay by shaking them down for cash kickbacks, state authorities said.

    In return, prosecutors said they will ask Superior Court Judge James X. Sattely to sentence Jovanoski to five years probation on June 4.

  161. 30 year realtor says:

    Do you know anything about Lou and the band? Thought all this gender fluidity stuff was sick and wrong in your eyes.

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 24, 2021 at 12:18 pm
    Need an antidote? Velvet Underground, live, Sweet Jane.

    What about Sister Ray? ;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53F5nY68cBM

  162. Phoenix says:

    But steal over 1m from your workers and you get probation.

    “Oklahoma woman finds out she was charged with a FELONY 20 years ago for not returning rented VHS tape of Sabrina the Teenage Witch

    Felony embezzlement in Oklahoma can carry a prison sentence up to two to eight years, as well as a fine between $5,000 and $10,000. “

  163. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Phoenix,

    That’s all you need to know. Rob a worker, and nothing happens. Rob a business and go to jail, esp if it’s a bank.

    Start investing people, because they treat businesses better than human beings. Protect yourself.

  164. Fabius Maximus says:

    Grim,

    Whats Plan B when when India workers go offline for a few weeks while they battle the illness?

  165. Phoenix says:

    What’s Plan B when when India workers go offline for a few weeks while they battle the illness?”

    “We are experiencing longer than normal wait times”

  166. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “So why does one set of num­bers sug­gest the la­bor mar­ket is slack while an­other sug­gest it is tight? The dis­crep­ancy goes back to how this re­ces­sion was fun­da­men­tally dif­fer­ent from the pre­vi­ous one. The 2008-2009 fi­nan­cial cri­sis wiped out wealth and dried up credit. That sapped de­mand for goods and ser­vices as con­sumers stopped spend­ing, and for work­ers as em­ploy­ers stopped hir­ing. By con­trast, the pan­demic clob­bered both de­mand for work­ers as busi­nesses closed, and the sup­ply as work­ers with­drew to look af­ter their chil­dren or their health.”

    “That is likely to change. As vac­ci­na­tion spreads, the virus-re­lated ob­sta­cles to work­ing should re­cede and econ­o­mists ex­pect the la­bor force to re­bound. That is a Goldilocks sce­nario: his­tor­i­cally high lev­els of em­ploy­ment and the sort of ro­bust wage growth work­ers, es­pe­cially the low­est-paid, were en­joy­ing pre-pan­demic.

    But what if work­ers are slow to re­turn? As stim­u­lus-stoked de­mand for la­bor meets stub­bornly re­duced sup­ply, the re­sult should be even faster wage gains for those who do work, and one more rea­son to worry about in­fla­tion.”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-job-market-is-tighter-than-you-think-11619006400?st=3t5ni7wot9pql8f&reflink=article_copyURL_shareL

  167. Fast Eddie says:

    Do you know anything about Lou and the band?

    Naw, never heard of them before. Lol!!

  168. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Welcome to the new world of AutoTech—the merging of electric, autonomous vehicles with ride-hailing to create a radically different car economy. Tied together by the connectivity of digital networks, this new business could upend the global automobile industry—and along with it, the entire culture that for more than a century has been built around getting behind the steering wheel. “The global transformation of the industry will take roughly 10 years,” predicts Herbert Diess, chairman of the Volkswagen group. Others think it will take longer but are no less certain that AutoTech is the future.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-electric-self-driving-cars-and-ride-hailing-will-transform-the-car-industry-11619189966

  169. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If you enjoy fast, perfectly engineered sports cars, get it now while you can. Enjoy every moment you drive it, because that privilege will be phased out by technology whether you embrace it or not.

    Also, when you take into account Tesla’s evaluation, please read and understand the article I just posted.

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    For many in urban areas, America’s love affair with the car will turn into more of a hookup, with the convenience of a utility. For growing numbers of people, the car era as we’ve known it, as an expression of identity, will fade away, except for a passionate minority that wants to keep their hands on the wheel.

    For the young, getting a driver’s license will no longer be the liberating rite of passage, replaced instead by an Uber app tied to a parent’s credit card. In another generation, many young people may see driving a car as akin to pounding out words on a typewriter. The Great American Road Trip, setting off with a buddy “to see the USA in a Chevrolet,” as an old commercial ditty had it, will be less alluring when the extra buddy is an Uber driver or nothing more than software and sensors.

  171. Phoenix says:

    Alright,
    Try not to laugh too hard.

    “Border Czar Kamala Harris to discuss plan to pay migrants to plant TREES to stop them coming to US”

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