C19 Open Discussion Week 60c

From the Star Ledger:

N.J. will see ‘accelerating opening up of the state’ with announcements soon, Murphy says

Gov. Phil Murphy said Wednesday he’ll have “more news on Monday” about further lifting New Jersey’s coronavirusrestrictions after news that neighboring New York is taking big steps to get rid of some rules for dining at bars and restaurants.

Murphy reacted to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announcing people can get served at bars in New York City beginning Monday and that outdoor and indoor curfews for bars and restaurants in the city will both be lifted by the end of May.

“You’re going to see us accelerating opening up of the state,” Murphy said during his latest COVID-19 briefing in Trenton. “There’s just no other way to put it. We’ll have more news on that on Monday.”

Murphy cited the likelihood of people traveling to New York or Pennsylvania restaurants or bars if restrictions in those states differ greatly from New Jersey.

”We don’t want that and New York doesn’t want that,” he said.

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181 Responses to C19 Open Discussion Week 60c

  1. Juice box says:

    Bartenders rejoice they don’t have to drive ubers anymore!


  2. Chicago says:


  3. dentss says:


  4. Juice box says:

    And it begins! Paying young people to get vaccinated.

    They should give them DOGE coins instead, it’s cheaper and would probably get a bigger turnout.

    West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice announced on Monday anyone between the ages of 16 and 35 who gets a COVID vaccine will also get a $100 savings bond, with money from the federal CARES Act.

  5. Grim says:

    CDC isn’t paying influencers yet?

  6. Grim says:

    What’s a savings bond?

    Krispy Kreme is giving away donuts.

  7. Grim says:

    Per Bloomberg Tracker – NJ on par with UK first doses at 50.8% of population – and we are leading in fully vaccinated percentage.

  8. Grim says:

    Given the data lag, looks like NJ will finish April at 51-52% 1st dose vaccinated.

  9. Juice Box says:

    Ideally they should have already tied it to getting the stimulus payment, otherwise they might have to pony up another $1500 cash money baby…

    Instatcart says they will pay employees $25, Trader Joes is paying two hours extra pay for employees to get the vaccine for each shot. Dollar General is matching that as well.

    Others say it’s a moral obligation.

    “People have a moral duty to be vaccinated, including a duty to promote their own health, a duty to others to promote the community benefit of vaccination, and a duty to society for individuals to do their fair share in putting a stop to the pandemic. ”

    Then there is what Washington DC does. Spend money and lots and lots of it. All States are getting lots and lots of money for vaccine campaigns. CDC doled out 3.1 Billion this month so far, and there are billions more coming.

  10. Juice Box says:

    Boomers rejoice CDC says cruise ships can start sailing again in July.

  11. Fast Eddie says:

    I got my 2nd jab in the late afternoon yesterday. Unlike the first time, there was no line at all. There were two people ahead of me. I was in and out of the place in under 30 minutes. Ya gotta do the 15 minute wait to make sure you don’t have a reaction. I don’t know if it was the time of day or the fact that anyone who was going to get the jab already did so.

    My arm is sore and so far, I’m not feeling any side effects to speak of other than I didn’t sleep well last night so I don’t know if I’m tired from no sleep, the jab or a bit of both.

  12. Juice Box says:

    US vaccinations peaked on April 13 at 3.4 million. We are starting to see a lag now it’s down to 2.7 million average.

    As far as government spending for a National Vaccine Campaign the plan under Trump was the “‘It’s up to you” campaign, that was $500 million in partnership with AD Council launched in February.

    That campaign may be scrapped it, it’s now Joe Biden’s campaign, and the new slogan is “We Can Do This.” I hear a close second campaign idea was “C’MON MAN!”


  13. 3b says:

    Biden was fine on his address last night. I did not notice any gaffes nor did he appear out of it. But his buy American thing was just so ironic. Looking at all those old fogies on both sides last night my wife commented they are all old. Buy American, jobs, jobs, jobs, and cheers from the politicians who have been selling American workers out for the last 40 years.

  14. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – Second jab was a placebo. The third jab or perhaps the fourth jab will be the real one.

  15. Fast Eddie says:


    Seriously? The tech who jabbed me said it was the same dose as the first. Is it true, though? Nothing but fake stuff on the 2nd stick?

  16. Juice Box says:

    India news, most countries are now banning flights from India. Our State Dept just issued the GTFO level 4 advisory for all US Citizens in India.

    Anecdotal there are still 16 direct flights from India to the USA daily. No word on a Travel Ban from Biden yet.

    Advise from Seinfeld….(This could not be filmed today)


  17. BRT says:

    “Buy American” never worked. Market will always choose lowest cost. There has never been another way in history of ensuring those costs are the lowest domestically outside of tariffs or forcing your labor’s wages down. $15 an hour nationwide without massive tariffs is 100% incompatible.

  18. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You guys might think I’m an idiot, but at least I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

  19. Juice Box says:

    Eddie- How else can they get mRNA microchip in you? Look you are tagged now like a dog. Every time you login to a windows computer you data is uploaded from the chip to the Microsoft cloud. The chip has an advanced nerve interface and can scan your thoughts and memories for anything related to POTUS 45. It’s advanced mRNA programming interface is now slowly erasing anything to do with MAGA and is replacing those thoughts with a smiling Joe Biden. Look and see it’s working already you have yet to complain about Joe’s Congressional speech last night. Pretty soon you may find yourself putting on a bit of makeup before you leave the house.. No worries the mRNA chip is the best thing for you, as you are now part of our collective and are assimilated.

  20. Bystander says:


    He was fine in bland message but all I heard was spend, spend, spend. Lots of heart string messages about unity, even complimenting Moscow Mitch. It was like 2 hour Werthers Orginal commercial, if Gramps lived in an earthship.

  21. Juice Box says:

    How did this one escape notice?

    COVID-19 Testing NOW Required for U.S. Entry….

    Effective January 26, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will require all air passengers two years of age and over entering the United States (including U.S. citizens and Legal Permanent Residents) to present a negative COVID-19 test, taken within three (3) calendar days of departure​, or proof of recovery from the virus within the last 90 days. Airlines must confirm the negative test result or proof of recent recovery for all passengers prior to boarding. ​Airlines must deny boarding of passengers who do not provide documentation of a negative test or recovery.

  22. Fast Eddie says:


    Ya know, my first thought when I got out of the bed this morning was, do I go with a bit of plum rouge or berry rouge?

  23. Phoenix says:

    Ya know, my first thought when I got out of the bed this morning was what silly thing that someone does today is going to end up in my lap later.

  24. Phoenix says:

    All Biden was thinking about during that speech is should he choose the AMS 700 or the Titan.

  25. Bystander says:

    Management buzzword of the day: T shaped profiles. Yes, we will find developers who know Java, ETL, Oracle who can lead projects and also write cases and test.

  26. Fast Eddie says:


    “I spend my time playing tennis, two things that don’t work, me and my pen1s.”

    LOL. Good video.

  27. Phoenix says:

    “Voted for Trump,
    Just for the taxes,
    Don’t believe in Covid,
    Still got the vaxxes.

  28. 3b says:

    BRT: We dumped almost all of our manufacturing/ industrial to other countries,namely China. We could have had a combination of automation and highly skilled workers here mKe the products, even if they cost more. When I was a kid not that long ago, most items clothing was still produced here. Now China is an industrial military power house , what are we?

  29. 3b says:

    Bystander: Yes lots of spending and debt for the next generations to pay. It was just ironic that he spoke as if he was a fresh faced outsider, outraged at the wealthy and pay your fair share, yet he has been in DC for almost 50 years!! All a bunch of old geezers , Democrats and Republicans.

  30. Libturd says:


    Is that the state song of Florida? Pretty clever.

  31. Juice Box says:

    3B – re: “what are we?”

    As the French said about England after they lost to a bunch of farmers in the American colonies “A nation of shopkeepers”.

  32. 3b says:

    Juice: A nation in rapid decline, led by a bunch of old fogey out of touch boomers.

  33. Juice Box says:

    3B – GDP is now forecast to grow 8.2%.

    Boom times are back. It will be a huge party this summer. Don’t worry about the debts and deficits spend it all now while you are alive. Book a cruise, travel to Europe, get yourself a new sports car. You cannot take it with you…..

  34. EzEssex says:

    I’m sooooo f’in tired of listening to Republicans bitch about deficits.

  35. EzEssex says:

    Just step out of the way and let the man go through:


  36. EzEssex says:

    aNd dOn’t fOrgEt tO tHanK pResIdeNt TrUmp.

  37. Juice Box says:

    Not to be outdone by Cuomo…

    NYC Will “Fully Reopen” On July 1 With All Businesses At 100% Capacity, De Blasio Says

  38. Bystander says:

    Anyone know guy who knows foundation, framing, electrical and plumbing? I want them build a house for me but I don’t want to pay them more than guy that delivers cement. Welcome to exec management think.

  39. EzEssex says:

    Let’s talk more about how Biden is kicking ass.

  40. EzEssex says:

    Hurry Trump crash another Mara Pedo wedding.

  41. joyce says:

    A vaccine card is not acceptable?

    Juice Box says:
    April 29, 2021 at 9:14 am
    How did this one escape notice?

    COVID-19 Testing NOW Required for U.S. Entry….

  42. Libturd says:

    Anyone else think Powell is starting to get in over his head? The Ten year has renewed it’s march upward. At what rate do new mortgages and refis appear too unattractive to continue to prop up the housing sector? Any guesses?

  43. Bystander says:

    PancakeSwap? Sounds like something Blumpy might jump into. Who’s Cathie?

  44. Juice Box says:

    Joyce nope need negative test, only way to accomplish this would be to find a rapid test near an airport for example. So if you were to fly to the Bahamas they want one too going in. So test before you leave and test when you are there for five days required, and then another test before you fly home if you stay is long for example. Seems like a PITA and really only rapid test would work. Where would you get one on a Caribbean island?

    Seems you can get it quickly at the airports. Nice little cottage industry and not too expensive it seems.

    Rapid Antigen Test: $30 drive thru only.


  45. Bystander says:


    Powell is letting shot clock run down. He has 9 months before he scurries away from the explosive device, like Wile E Coyote. I said 3.5% on a 30 year and you will see a halt to housing boom, like cliff dive.

  46. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    That speech was a shltshow. No way to hide from it either.

    You would think the country was a hellish battleground place yet billions would move here if they could. And in nearly all communities people of all stripe get along. Those that are in chaos need to have an honest assessment yet they won’t.

    That was also another thinly veiled pitch for soci@lism. The far left runs the Biden agenda.

  47. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Well the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread or infection so the vaccine card would not be enough to guarantee someone entering is not a carrier.

  48. Libturd says:

    “The far left runs the Biden agenda.”

    Keep lying to yourself.

  49. chicagofinance says:

    Pumps….. you are Perini Scleroso

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    April 29, 2021 at 8:57 am
    You guys might think I’m an idiot, but at least I’m not an anti-vaxxer.

  50. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Well if you watch msnbc all the time that was probably modest. To others it outlined major government expansion and indoctrination plans.

  51. chicagofinance says:

    Saw that….. the levels are now 1.75-ish / 1.96-ish.

    Bear in mind, it tends to be more the velocity of the move versus the nominal rates. Although (of course) the rate is important.

    Be mindful that it is the 29th. Tomorrow is month-end AND month-end is a Friday. It can always create a bit of weirdo distortion in any market, but fixed income more than equities.

    Libturd says:
    April 29, 2021 at 10:57 am
    Anyone else think Powell is starting to get in over his head? The Ten year has renewed it’s march upward. At what rate do new mortgages and refis appear too unattractive to continue to prop up the housing sector? Any guesses?

  52. chicagofinance says:

    Amazing results from Apple and then the price action on AAPL.

    I’m trying to have as many conversations as possible with people to educate them more on conditions and context. Most people have a difficult time comprehending all of this information as they move about their lives.

  53. Libturd says:

    Credit Suisse maintaining a neutral and a $150 price target on Apple is insane. Mark my words. They are loading their clients into Apple and will up the target to $200 and will rate it a conviction buy in about a month. Once it hits $200, they will sell it off and reduce their rating to neutral again.

    I’ll keep an eye out for it.

  54. Libturd says:

    Actually, I think CS is at $140 on Apple. Everyone else is upping it to $175. Though price was also spooked by chip shortage. Earnings drive stock price. The chip shortage will revolve itself at some point in the future. Definitely safe to buy at these levels. Apple and Amazon. Is all people really need. These are the only two Buy & Hold stocks I like right now.

  55. BRT says:

    Loving Apple as well, have plenty of exposure through Berkshire but have been buying ever since this years dip.

  56. Libturd says:

    I will tell you this. If Apple does create a branded car. Forget about it! This thing will instantly eclipse Tesla. It will be the epitome of cool, regardless of how sh1tty it is. I dropped 4Gs into Fisker just from the mere mention of it. That’s about as much as I am willing to risk on pure speculation bets.

  57. No One says:

    From watching sell side research for 30 years I will tell you their price targets on stocks are meaningless. They just reverse engineer them to fit the narrative they have decided on. Usually 10% to 20% above whatever the current share price. On rare occasions they will put a target very high or very low to get attention for themselves. The sell side almost never takes valuation seriously, and in recent years the buy side hasn’t taken it very seriously either.

  58. BRT says:

    Ironically, I still haven’t bought a single apple product since 2003 or 2004.

  59. Fast Eddie says:

    Get yourself a tech ETF and don’t even bother speculating. Why play guessing games and lose money when you can let the tide carry you?

  60. leftwing says:

    “Juice Box says, April 29, 2021 at 9:00 am”

    Thank you for that, tears running down my face from laughing so hard.

    Eddie, you’re a champ for playing along.

  61. BRT says:

    A lot of tech I want nothing to do with and I view as pure speculation. At this point, Apple is different. They make and sell products, and even pay a small dividend. The way I’ve played tech is also through Semiconductor ETF. I’d rather own companies that sell things to other tech companies.

  62. Libturd says:

    Speaking of tides. Perhaps an Arkk will work better?

    Fear not Eddie. The vast majority of my retirement is in mutual funds and ETFs. I only use stocks to juice the returns. I’ve been a pretty savvy stock picker over the years. I just don’t like the enhanced risk.

  63. BRT says:

    If you look at the NJ coronavirus cases, something is wrong with it. They fell off the side of a cliff and are approaching summer baseline. I mean, I expect it to happen fast, but not that fast. It looks like manipulated data to me.

  64. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Winning advice right there.

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 29, 2021 at 2:17 pm
    Get yourself a tech ETF and don’t even bother speculating. Why play guessing games and lose money when you can let the tide carry you?

  65. Fast Eddie says:

    Apple is a cult… so is Starbucks. Index funds and ETFs… like the fable of the tortoise and the hare. You’ll beat ’em all in the end. All you need is patience. Time and income are the variables.

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    GDP Is Less Than 1% Away from a New Peak
    Easing restrictions and government stimulus powered the economy to a 6.4% annualized growth rate in the first quarter. That left economic output just 0.9% below the peak reached 15 months ago, and economists expect it to surpass that level this quarter. Nominal GDP, which does not adjust for inflation, has already reached a new high. By contrast, it took more than three years for real GDP to reach a new high after the financial crisis, two years for nominal GDP. The U.S. looks likely to avoid the permanently stunted growth trajectory it suffered after the financial crisis. Credit this to two things: The latest recession was caused by a natural disaster, not a financial crisis, and as vaccines vanquish the disaster, most workers and firms can return to where they were before. Second, the level of monetary and fiscal support is far larger. —Greg Ip

  67. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Roaring 20’s 2.0….what a call by the pumps. Almost a decade out…

  68. Libturd says:


    Expected. The variants have probably run through and gotten the careless and unvaccinated. Plus there’s the whole UV thing going on again. I painted my deck for two hours on Tuesday and sunburnt my dome, so there’s that too. I don’t think it’s funky reporting/manipulation. This is how immunity works. We are finally in the home stretch from a reduced risk standpoint. Have a long way to go from irradication. Especially with all of the silly anti-vaxers out there. And I’m not referring to the anti-kid vaxers. There’s definitely a correlation with intelligence and vaxing(new word), much like there was with Biden vs. Trump voters. :P

  69. Libturd says:

    Apple is a cult. A very profitable one.

  70. grim says:

    Apple makes shit that works, it just works.

    People whine and whine about competitors having similar functionality, or even having functionality first, as a reason for superiority over Apple. What they don’t realize is, while a competitor might have had the bullet point function first, when Apple did it, they did it far better, and they always do it better. Seamless, intuitive, interoperable, simple, clean.

    Compare this with Samsung, who is equally as tech savvy, the difference is, they don’t care about design, user interface design, and user experience. This translates into products that are clunky, non-intuitive, complex to navigate, connect, and understand. They are more obsessed with competing on the spec sheet than competing on the user experience, and that’s all you need to know. It’s also why they have something like 15 current cell phone models – wtf?

    Could Samsung beat Apple? Sure, but they aren’t going to beat them unless they can cross over into their turf, and it’s a playing field full of brilliant designers, who would never work for Samsung. Why? I’ve you’ve ever worked with Samsung, you’ll immediately understand why.

  71. Libturd says:

    The last two stocks I mentioned here to buy were Build and Cent. They are now up 73% and 55% since since I mentioned them. These are safe, non-tech companies with low P/Es and little risk of dramatic change overnight. Kapeesh.

  72. Libturd says:


    My parent’s were born in 34 and 39. They both have iPhones and iPads. Kapeesh.

  73. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grim nailed it. Perfectly stated.

    That’s exactly why I’m in the Apple eco system. Android boys will never understand an Apple customer.

    It’s a shame that the Apple HomePod is being discontinued. Sound is amazing. On the news of finding out it was being discontinued, I bought another pair. People don’t appreciate good sound…

  74. chicagofinance says:

    When there is a war going on, buy the bomb maker……

    BRT says:
    April 29, 2021 at 2:34 pm
    I’d rather own companies that sell things to other tech companies.

  75. chicagofinance says:

    There is also the issue of organizational calibration, where the house has a view and everything coming out of the house has to fall in line. The Chinese Wall is bullsh!t too.

    No One says:
    April 29, 2021 at 2:15 pm
    From watching sell side research for 30 years I will tell you their price targets on stocks are meaningless. They just reverse engineer them to fit the narrative they have decided on. Usually 10% to 20% above whatever the current share price. On rare occasions they will put a target very high or very low to get attention for themselves. The sell side almost never takes valuation seriously, and in recent years the buy side hasn’t taken it very seriously either.

  76. chicagofinance says:

    The drawdowns on AAPL are pretty stunning when you consider how established the company is, and the overall capitalization relative to the market.

    BRT says:
    April 29, 2021 at 1:57 pm
    Loving Apple as well, have plenty of exposure through Berkshire but have been buying ever since this years dip.

  77. joyce says:

    MIT researchers say time spent indoors increases risk of Covid at 6 feet or 60 feet in new study challenging social distancing policies

    The risk of being exposed to Covid-19 indoors can be as great at 60 feet as it is at 6 feet in a room where the air is mixed — even when wearing a mask, according to a new study by Massachusetts Institute of Technology researchers who challenge social distancing guidelines adopted across the world.

    MIT professors Martin Z. Bazant, who teaches chemical engineering and applied mathematics, and John W.M. Bush, who teaches applied mathematics, developed a method of calculating exposure risk to Covid-19 in an indoor setting that factors in a variety of issues that could affect transmission, including the amount of time spent inside, air filtration and circulation, immunization, variant strains, mask use, and even respiratory activity such as breathing, eating, speaking or singing.

    Bazant and Bush question long-held Covid-19 guidelines that recommend 6 feet of distance between people from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a peer-reviewed study published earlier this week in Proceedings of the National Academy of Science of the United States of America. They say staying 6 feet away from another person may not be enough when people are inside for prolonged periods of time.

    “We argue there really isn’t much of a benefit to the 6-foot rule, especially when people are wearing masks” since everyone in the room is breathing the same air, Bazant said in an interview. “It really has almost no physical basis because the air a person is breathing while wearing a mask tends to rise and comes down elsewhere in the room so you’re more exposed to the average background than you are to a person at a distance.”

    Without masks, however, Bazant said 6 feet would provide some additional protection against Covid-19 versus 3 feet. That’s particularly true if a person is breathing directly in your direction, creating what scientists call a “respiratory plume,” like a puff of smoke from a smoker. Their research was based on models that assume the air in the room is “well mixed” and that “the pathogen is distributed uniformly throughout,” they said in a follow-up statement to CNBC on Monday.

    In well-mixed spaces, “one is no safer from airborne pathogens at 60 feet than 6 feet,” they said.

    The important variable CDC and World Health Organization guidelines have overlooked is the amount of time spent indoors, Bazant said. The longer someone is inside with an infected person, the greater the chance of transmission, he said.

    Opening windows or installing new fans to keep the air moving could also be just as effective or more effective than spending large amounts of money on a new filtration system, he said.

    Bazant also says that guidelines enforcing indoor occupancy caps are flawed. He said 20 people gathered inside for one minute is probably fine, but not over the course of several hours, he said.

  78. JCer says:

    As a tech guy I use pretty much all types of devices and have done development on them as well. Android is bizarre, the earliest iterations were really bad, they have made massive changes in the architecture over time, it’s nice that it’s so flexible but there are also way too many hands involved, the software side of things from companies like Samsung is a mess, google produced stuff tends to work better even the stuff from the Chinese producers like one plus. The iPhone really evolved, there is continuity in the design. People complain about apple’s stuff but in terms of polish it is way ahead of google’s which all feels like beta. To this day the apple products are superior for most users especially when you talk CarPlay vs. android auto. I think google has a lot of great tech but in terms of products, apple is the better product company.

  79. Bystander says:

    Aaron Rodgers looking to leave GB. Rumor is 49ers. Wow.

  80. Hold my beer says:

    NJ also has had about 11% of its population test positive for covid. I really think there are 3-5 people who have had covid for every one who tests positive. Factor in 35-50% in Jersey have had covid with the number of people who have been vaccinated and there’s your steep drop.

  81. BRT says:

    Lib, I’d like to believe it’s the vaccine and summer, but the moving average now reads negative on NJ. Someone fat fingered in a huge negative number.

  82. EzEssex says:

    5:12 apples ecosystem is top flight, but the longevity of their stuff leaves a little to be desired.

  83. Juice Box says:

    longevity? That is not part of the design. Quite the opposite.


  84. grim says:

    All of you FDA pros must be groaning over this special treatment:

    Authorization of coronavirus vaccine for younger teens can skip FDA advisory process, official says

    The US Food and Drug Administration will be able to skip the time-consuming advisory process for deciding authorization of coronavirus vaccines for older children and teens, a government official told CNN Thursday, but it will likely undertake a lengthier review for younger children.

    Vaccine maker Pfizer has applied for emergency use authorization for its coronavirus vaccine for teens and children ages 12 to 15. The FDA will have to amend the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the vaccine, but the process should be straightforward, said the official, who was not authorized to speak about the process publicly and requested anonymity.

  85. EzEssex says:

    I will say, the medium is the message as Marshall McLuhan said.

  86. joyce says:

    This story is awesome.

    Police chief who asked to sleep with officer’s wife and daughter should be demoted, hearing officer rules

  87. joyce says:

    Automobile accidents, and in particular not wearing a seatbelt, are by far the number one leading reason for police officer deaths… and yet they feel the need to drag race using their cruisers.


  88. JunkieEddieStillCountingAZVotesForDearLeader says:

    BRT for a science/math tutor, your fat finger error statement puts you in the land of Junkie Eddie


    By Zoë M. McLaren
    Dr. McLaren is an associate professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, who studies policies to combat infectious disease epidemics, including Covid-19.
    The United States has vaccinated more than half of its adults against Covid-19, but it could be months until the country has vaccinated enough people to put herd immunity within reach (and much of the world is still desperately waiting for access to vaccines).

    Places with rising vaccination rates, like the United States, can look forward to case numbers coming down a lot in the meantime. And sooner than you might think. That’s because cases decline via the principle of exponential decay.

    Many people learned about exponential growth in the early days of the pandemic to understand how a small number of cases can quickly grow into a major outbreak as transmission chains multiply. India, for example, which is in the grips of a major Covid-19 crisis, is in a phase of exponential growth.

    Exponential growth means case numbers can double in just a few days. Exponential decay is its opposite. Exponential decay means case numbers can halve in the same amount of time.

    Understanding exponential dynamics makes it easier to know what to expect in the coming phase of the pandemic: Why things will improve quickly as vaccination rates rise and why it’s important to maintain some precautions even after case numbers come down.

  89. leftwing says:

    Bummer on circumventing the advisory panel.

    Not to start the scrum from yesterday, and in all seriousness it is unfortunate.

    Panels are where the real expertise resides in a specific field and IIRC it is very rare for the FDA to not take their recommendation.

    Yet another shortcut that is likely ill advised as it is not the way to build confidence in something you want people to inject in their kids.

  90. Juice Box says:

    leftwing – “tears running down my face from laughing so hard.”

    I aim to please next up pissing in pants…

  91. Fabius Maximus says:

    Looking at Zac Wilson tonight, I cant see him on a Wheat!es box,
    but I can see him on a Lucky Charms!


  92. Fast Eddie says:

    – 77 percent of Americans support photo-identification for voters.

    – The U.S. only provides 15 percent of the world’s carbon emissions.

    – O’Biden took credit for 220 million vaccinations and won’t recognize that it is was Trump’s intervention that accelerated the development of vaccines.

    – White supremacy is terrorism and those radical leftists groups burning cities are never mentioned.

    – Under Trump, income taxes of 83 percent of taxpayers were reduced, the number of positions to be filled exceeded the number of unemployed by over 750,000 and the lowest 20 percent of income-earners was in percentage terms gaining income more swiftly than the top ten percent.

    – The $6 trillion dollar man wants green jobs – the same green jobs that Oblammy promised yet never materialized.

    – O’Biden claims that the country had done nothing about immigration in 30 years except that under Trump illegal immigration was reduced by 90 percent, and the principal problem was effectively solved until Biden stopped construction of the southern border wall and reopened the borders.

    The speech was a train wreck.. a few golf claps, an empty chamber, an epic, record low of people watching a man who will go down as being the most divisive, opposing, mis-guided, weak, ineffective, feeble, inept, worthless, impotent, paltry, one-sided, deceptive and inferior president in history.

  93. Bystander says:


    Hah, I have him pegged making history..as first transgender NFL player, somewhere down line.

  94. Bystander says:

    Wow, Ed..all that and he will end up in annals worse than Carter. Truly delusional accomplishments

  95. BRT says:

    Two shot at Peter Lugers…this is where NYC is at right now

  96. Libturd says:

    “lowest 20 percent of income-earners was in percentage terms gaining income more swiftly than the top ten percent.”

    I can’t seem to find a record of this anywhere. I was surprised to hear it during the rebuttal to the Biden speech.

    If there is one thing that is painfully obvious, it’s that both sides continue to be more divisive than ever to the detriment of our country. Morals and ethics mean absolutely nothing and no one has seen more gains in their personal wealth than these politicians themselves.

  97. EzEssex says:

    7:10 oh no!!! Someone get Trump back ASAP!!

  98. EzEssex says:

    Let’s not forget the insurrection Eddie.

  99. Fast Eddie says:

    The left is rac1st. They could care less about the plight of the so-called poor and people of color. They use people to advance their narrative and why Black Americans keep thinking that the democrats have their best interests at heart is beyond me. I’d be humiliated to be a portion of society that is used as a tool for political gain. Uncle Tim? Really?

  100. Fast Eddie says:

    Let’s not forget the insurrection Eddie.

    As opposed to the Burn, Loot and Murder riots?

  101. Fast Eddie says:

    O’Biden: “I want to untie America… uhh… I mean unite America!!”

  102. EzEssex says:

    9:25 the breach of the Capital vs A Footlocker?

  103. ExEssex says:

    I’ve never been happier to see the right marginalized.

  104. Phoenix says:

    Law enforcement and it’s tactics started the race war in America.

    The end.

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    Barely anyone showed up at his drive by campaigns, no one watched his pathetic speech and yet we’re to believe he won an election legitimately.

  106. 30 year realtor says:

    Cartoons started early today and it isn’t even Saturday morning.

    Fast Eddie says:
    April 30, 2021 at 9:44 am
    Barely anyone showed up at his drive by campaigns, no one watched his pathetic speech and yet we’re to believe he won an election legitimately.

  107. Bystander says:


    Again, this should be required viewing in every classroom in America. It is a sane logical debate on race. When delusional Rs talk about lack of racism in system, Randian individualism and over-emphasis on race, I point to this debate. Paul Weiss’s arguments are still the conservative belief in this country. James Baldwin shreds him to pieces yet the guy refused to hear a word. That is modern R..refuse to hear a word.


  108. Libturd says:


    There was no measurable fraud. When you find some, let us know. Until then, you are lying like your former lyingest liar in chief.

  109. chicagofinance says:

    Stu: you were the SCTV guy, yes?

  110. Bystander says:

    In 1971, Ronald Reagan – a supporter of Taiwan – called the president the next day, telling him: “To see those… monkeys from those African countries – damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!”

    The right’s superstar, lord and God…there you go. Now, let’s see R tell me Biden mentioning ‘jungle’ is equivalent. It is shamaful.

  111. chicagofinance says:

    I thought you were woke you hypocritical POS.

    Fabius Maximus says:
    April 29, 2021 at 10:36 pm
    Looking at Zac Wilson tonight, I cant see him on a Wheat!es box,
    but I can see him on a Lucky Charms!


  112. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Biden is trying to appear moderate while the radicals run the show. Everyone can see right through it. It doesn’t matter how many puff pieces the propaganda industry does for him.

  113. Libturd, sharing says:

    I watched it religiously as a kid. That and Benny Hill were by far, the funniest shows on television. Once I turned about ten, I really got into MASH and to this day, find it to be the best series ever from a dialogue standpoint. I absolutely don’t understand how Friends got that popular. Though after we elected Trump, I am no longer surprised by anything I see the masses fawn over.

    My current hit list of truly enjoyable shows though you have to suspend reality to watch them include:

    Shameless – which just ended and was a little too gay for my liking.
    King of Harlem – though black guys, trying to sound like Italian mobsters is silly.
    Ted Lasso – Heartwarmingly unbelievable, but cute (reminds me of Frasier a bit).
    Trying – Typical British style comedy, but very well done.
    Servant – Stupid beyond belief, but cringeworthy. Great soundtrack.
    Ray Donovan – Hasn’t been good the last view years, but I’m vested (series is over, but making a movie which will probably suck too).
    Everything on Apple+ – There’s not a bad show on there. Especially their documentaries.
    The Mando – Perhaps the best sci-fi series ever.

    Does anyone here like the comic book/super hero genre? All of my closest friends (remember, I met a lot of them at Montclair State) go gaga over new release. I find them boring and all the same formula. Just different outfits. The Batman and Spiderman stuff I don’t get whatsoever. Then again, when I was growing up, I didn’t play with dolls.

  114. Phoenix says:

    Sure, I agree. Might work for the future. But Tik Tok works better. It’s peer enabled.

    What is “viewed’ by everyone, outside the classroom, is when someone is kneeled on until they died over a fake 20 dollar bill. The world sees it. And your youth does too, on Tik Tok.

    To be gaslighted by being told he didn’t die because of that, instead something as ludicrous as carbon monoxide, is just a f king insult to even a moron’s intelligence.

    America’s legal system is great for things like this. Had it been believed pre-sentencing that he would have been convicted I don’t believe their would have been riots. It is the lack of justice in American courts, the system where money rules, that creates many of the problems that it is actually supposed to solve.

    You will never truly eliminate racism. It’s everywhere. The one place where no racism, ageism, or any “isms” are supposed to be an issue is in a courtroom. But ask any father that goes in there about child custody and the bias permeates everything. No doubt it does with racism as well.

    The one time you have a chance of justice there is when you have an actual trial with someone other than the permanent inhabitants that reside in those buildings. Too many favors, back door deals, etc.

  115. EzEssex says:

    Ted Lasso & The Mando I’ll second that.
    Great shows.

  116. Libturd says:

    Bill Burr is clever.

  117. Libturd says:

    You guys see where 45 religious morons in Israel were crushed to death yesterday due to their religious fervor?

    And Joyce, that Police Chief story is incredible. Unions and religions should both be banned.

  118. grim says:

    Agree about Mash, I loved that series. I haven’t watched an episode in decades though, may need to rewatch.

  119. grim says:

    Mando was better than any of the Star Wars movies post 1983.

    Stylistically, it was incredibly aligned with the original trilogy. This was the intention I believe, and why it resonates so well with the demographic that was alive for the original trilogy.

  120. grim says:

    Stranger Things might be the single best series ever shot, Breaking Bad a close second.

  121. Phoenix says:

    I’d go with Justified as my favorite.

    And Joyce, I have to agree. Disgusting, but not surprising to me at all.

  122. Libturd says:

    I have not watched Breaking Bad. It’s in the queue. I’ve heard it’s great. Usually most people rank it one behind the Soprano’s, which really was a terrific series. Why the heck are people so intrigued by everything mafia? It’s like the lottery!

  123. EzEssex says:

    Breaking Bad was pretty amazing. I also like Better Call Saul, the spin-off.

    We re-watched the Soprano’s a year ago. What a great series. Fun to spot all the sites in and around Essex Co.

  124. chicagofinance says:

    NFW …. way off… reminds me of anything JJ Abrams does…. it kind of completely sucks, but it is “good-ish”. Sort of the equivalent of finding a really tasty piece of fast food.

    grim says:
    April 30, 2021 at 11:39 am
    Stranger Things might be the single best series ever shot

  125. joyce says:

    What are the odds Gov. Murphy, if he ever goes from “hinting” to actually announcing something, says NJ will open before the dates NY/NYC stated recently?

    Asking because I think there’s zero chance which means, as predicted here, NJ will be the most conservative in the US in terms of reopening. Yes, the same NJ that is #1 in deaths per population.

  126. Grim says:

    Chi – did you love or hate 80s John. Hughes flicks?

  127. Phoenix says:

    Breaking bad. Whole premise could have been eliminated with a life insurance policy.

    Was great though.

  128. EzEssex says:

    In more “creepy cop” news:

    Vineland Police Chief Rudy Beu, 60, was found guilty of insubordination, conduct unbecoming a public employee and neglect of duty
    Retired Judge Raymond A. Batten recommended that Chief Beu be demoted to deputy chief
    A fellow officer alleged that in April 2017 Beu told him he would promote him if he could have sex with his wife and underage daughter
    Judge Batten also found Beu guilty of promoting his own daughter to the Vineland police department’s Juvenile Division
    The hearing officer also found that Beu refused to turn over at least 19 internal affairs files that city attorneys had requested

  129. No One says:

    I’m not a fan of Elon Musk but these talentless crybabies at SNL whining about having to perform with him are showing that wokeness is their primary directive. I stopped watching them and The Daily Show at least a dozen years ago when wokeness became the “punchline” of every joke. SNL went downhill ever since Norm Macdonald was fired for making jokes about OJ Simpson killing his wife.

    Bill Burr is funny but he’s not as fearless as Norm about violating taboos.

  130. EzEssex says:

    3:45 Musk is a walking STD.

  131. HEHEHE says:

    A little food for thought re confirmation bias and vaccine results – or how to get out of a pandemic you no longer want to be in.

    You’ll notice the timing of the vaccine roll-out coincided with the peak of the natural death flow that occurs every year due to infectious diseases.

    The flow peaks every Winter and bottoms every Summer.

    They are already claiming a reduction of cases in the NYC area and attributing it to the vaccine.

    If you look at YOY case counts in NJ and NYC etc. you’ll see there really isn’t much difference from this year and last year.

    So if you want to confirm victory over a virus and claim it’s safe to reopen then you do it on July 1 when cases are naturally at their nadir.

    You’ll have media shills claim “look at how much the cases dropped in the six months since we started vaccinating it’s safe to return to normal”.

    But if you look at the YOY numbers you’ll see it’s just Mother Nature doing what she does every year.

    Expect an announcement later in the Summer about the need to no longer test for Covid or changes in the PCR cycles that result in lower case counts.

    Covid pulled forward to 2020 a lot of deaths that would have occurred in 2021 and 2022.

    Take away the Covid testing you can attribute any deaths that occur the next couple of years to the annual flu seasons.

    Not saying this is what will happen but given the scripted nature and overreaction to this virus the past year it wouldn’t surprise me.

  132. Libturd says:

    How did we ever grow up being so asleep?


  133. 3b says:

    Essex: He should be fired!!

  134. EzEssex says:

    4:52 amazing no? Any other profession. He’s toast.

  135. EzEssex says:

    dOn’t fOrgEt tO tHaNk pResIdEnT tRuMp!!!

  136. EzEssex says:

    Fox News host Sean Hannity was ridiculed on Thursday for saying that president Joe Biden should call Donald Trump to thank him for his coronavirus and vaccine response.

    As soon as Mr Biden’s first prime time address to the nation since taking office in January was over, Hannity slammed the president for “taking credit” for his predecessor’s efforts on Covid-19 and even suggested that he call Mr Trump up to say “thank you.”

    “He needs to pick up the phone, I suggest, and just call Mara-a-Lago and yeah, bring unity to the country he says he desperately wants by (sic) thanking Donald Trump because a few moments ago he tried to take credit for everything that Donald Trump did on COvid-19. Three vaccines: thanks to Donald trump operations work speed,” Hannity said.

    “A year ago, we were hit with a virus that was met with silence and spread unchecked, denials for days, weeks then months — that led to more deaths, more infections, more stress, and more loneliness,” Mr Biden said.

  137. Hold my beer says:


    The snowflakes would choke on their quinoa watching some of the classic 70s comedies.

  138. BRT says:

    I’m not a fan of Elon Musk but these talentless crybabies at SNL whining about having to perform with him are showing that wokeness is their primary directive. I stopped watching them and The Daily Show at least a dozen years ago when wokeness became the “punchline” of every joke. SNL went downhill ever since Norm Macdonald was fired for making jokes about OJ Simpson killing his wife.

    Bill Burr is funny but he’s not as fearless as Norm about violating taboos.

    SNL is a microcosm of hollywood mediocrity. It used to be a megapool of talent. Think about this…Chris Rock and Larry David were the sh1tty cast members that no one was entertained by. Norm was savage on weekend update.

  139. Libturd says:

    I bet to young people we sound like a bunch of old fogeys.

  140. EzEssex says:

    Watch the documentary about the Comedy Store. It’s on netflix I believe.
    Insane time for comedy & the lifestyle that is apparently passé.

    Jokes & Coke

  141. EzEssex says:

    Sorry Showtime has that doc.


  142. BRT says:

    Lib, we might, but I seriously am willing to give anyone a chance on entertainment. I yearn for a good laugh. SNL just doesn’t have it. Lazy comedy, bad delivery. It’s basically amateur hour there. Comedy is in a bad place. You have two forces working against it. The first is that nearly all of them fear cancellation and won’t push the envelope. The other is that ever since Stewart and Colbert mixed their comedy with politics, the industry tried to imitate that, but without the humor. It turned into, “you need to find it funny, cuz I’m on your side”.

  143. Juice Box says:

    Really bad news being reported now 30,000 deaths a day is what is not offically being reported.

    B.1.617 mutation aka variant less than 1% of cases so far in US.

  144. Juice Box says:

    From India anyway , and Biden’s racist flight ban start on Tuesday.

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Man, north jersey real estate is better than most investments this decade. I just wish I had not played it so conservative, and acted on my advice to this blog. Fairfield and Wayne were indeed the best values in north jersey real estate in 2018-2019…Joyce or one of the other haters, bring up my posts screaming to buy in these locations.

    “That, along with low in­ter­est rates, set the hous­ing mar­ket in Bergen County, N.J., on fire. Lo­cated just across the Hud­son River from Man­hat­tan, the county drew three times as many net new house­holds from mi­gra­tion in 2020 com­pared with the prior year as fam­i­lies seek­ing more space and short com­mutes poured in.”


  146. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Stranger things is a nostalgic masterpiece. If you have t watched “breaking bad,” what the hell are you doing, watch it now.

    I have watched so many series over this pandemic, I’m a pretty reliable source of opinion on series.

    “Younger”- highly recommend for your wives. It’s a good show that helps us older generations relate to the younger generations.

    Mafia—go watch the Italian series “gomarrah”…good stuff.

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:


    Grim says:
    April 30, 2021 at 2:16 pm
    Chi – did you love or hate 80s John. Hughes flicks?

  148. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Unfortunately, losers stumble upon positions of power. Would love to get one punch on this bitch. Wear the badge with honor, or don’t wear it.

    Phoenix says:
    April 30, 2021 at 9:39 pm
    The result.


  149. Phoenix says:

    Post from another forum. Interesting theory.

    “Someone pointed out a few days ago that China and India are at war fighting over their border. Now India is being ravaged with Covid. The statement not untrue, gives you reason to step back and think about the last year, and the United States disagreement with China over tariffs right before the outbreak here in the US. May just be chance, but it does make you think.”

  150. Brt says:

    Phoenix, whether deliberate or not, China took steps to make sure the rest of the world couldn’t respond accordingly.

  151. grim says:

    NJ Rt at 0.63? Cases falling off a cliff. Going to be a good summer.

  152. Brt says:

    There’s no reason we shouldn’t be 100 percent capacity by memorial day. Last year should have been a good summer as well, but if you recall ” we aren’t there yet”

  153. Hold my beer says:


    There’s are a few reasons it won’t be 100% capacity. It’s called Murphy. Woke culture. Unions.

  154. Fast Eddie says:

    S.hut up and wear your face d1apers until the s0cial1st dem0crats demand otherwise. If you comply and are obed1ent, then in time, you’ll be able to remove them one hour per day for exercise.

  155. Grim says:

    Masks are here to stay, forever.

    Given how many times I got sick while traveling, f@ck that. It’ll be a standard part of my travel kit from now on.

  156. Libturd says:

    And they say I’m dramatic?

  157. Libturd says:


    I haven’t even had a cold in the last 14 months. In a normal year, I’d pick up like 4 to 6 sicknesses (most likely from the kids bringing it home from school).

    And yes, I often ended up sick on vacations from flying.

  158. Fast Eddie says:

    Masks are here to stay, forever.

    Burqas are next followed by regulations on what you can watch, read and listen to.

  159. chicagofinance says:

    I learned me something new.

    assigned female at birth

    We are in a deep fcukhole that will be intractable…… we are doomed….

  160. EzEssex says:

    11:43 Mia Khalifa enters the chat.

  161. EzEssex says:

    Former Netflix vice president Michael Kail, 49, was found guilty on Friday
    Prosecutors said Kail had accepted more than $500,000 in kickbacks – as well as stock options – in exchange for approving millions of dollars in contracts
    Kail was indicted in 2018 on 19 counts of wire fraud, three counts of mail fraud, and seven counts of money laundering
    He pleaded not guilty to the offenses but was found guilty of 28 of the 29 counts

  162. BRT says:


    there’s a guy? who picks up his kids at my elementary school. Both of his children, one is 1 year old, are “non binary”. They’ve chosen that for them. And the mothers hover around the kids and fawn all over that decision.

  163. EzEssex says:

    Non Binary is a lot like being agnostic I suppose.

  164. Juice Box says:

    So after some back and forth about keeping my kids home until May 12th, as luck would have it the school district called and said they have relaxed their close contact quarantine requirements for kids “exposed” on a bus for 10 minutes or more. I can get a negative test tomorrow and send my kids to school Wednesday. Their rule does not match CDCs rules of course, school in now 7 day quaratine with a negative test, test must be done on day five. Why the extra two days in the test tomorrow is negative? It’s not science that is for sure.

    CVS drive through no contact rapid tests are scheduled for tomorrow, should have the results quickly…

    There will be no more bus for the remainder of the year and maybe next. I am tired of this half assed contact tracing nonsense.

  165. Juice Box says:

    re: “They’ve chosen that for them. ”

    The problem with that parent is that they do not understand when queer is. As in when you realize you are queer. There is no test for queer, you cannot get a nasal swab or blood test for it and you are certainly not queer because your parent says you are.

    They have labeled their young children as queer and those children have no idea what it is and if they are that or not. Research shows most children and young adults realize they are queer between ages 10-19 and some later in adulthood.

    Those parents should just let them be kids, and cut this virtue signaling crap.

  166. Hold my beer says:


    Just move to Texas or Florida.

  167. joyce says:

    Hold my beer,

    He’s an American hero.

  168. Fabius Maximus says:

    In honor of the day.
    Workers of the world unite!

  169. Hold my beer says:


    He is. Anti-heroes do exist.

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