Market getting toppy?

From the Star Ledger:

What happens if the appraisal is lower than your offer? Here’s what N.J. real estate agents say.

More homes are under-appraising in this quick-changing market for two reasons, he said. “The first being there are no comparable sales to support the purchase price. Secondly, there are a ton of homes under contract that have not closed yet therefore the increase in some home prices are not accurately reflected until the comps actually close.”

James Hughes, a broker-salesman with Compass in Montclair, said his clients are typically offering to bridge the appraisal gap to a set point – $10,000, $20,000 or even $50,000.

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220 Responses to Market getting toppy?

  1. Juice Box says:

    Foist!

  2. Juice Box says:

    Grim –

    Seems we had to outsource NJ government for a few months, and they could not do anything at the call center but put you on a escalation list…

    “To help manage the deluge of calls from people desperate to resolve their unemployment claims, the Department of Labor opened a new call center on June 18.

    Over the six months from June through December 2020, the state paid nearly $11.3 million to subcontractor Navient for the call center, according to contracts and invoices obtained by NJ Advance Media as part of an Open Public Records Act (OPRA) request.

    Records for payments made in 2021 were not yet available.

    The state’s cost each month was based on how many calls were handled, the contracts and invoices show.

    Other data obtained through the OPRA request provides a window into how the call center performed from its June launch through early April 2021.”

    For example, in July, more than 1 million calls were made to the call center from more than 160,297 individual callers, with 115,945 getting through to a representative. Nearly 825,000 of the calls, or 78%, got a busy signal, the data shows. In August, nearly 1.2 million calls were made from 161,294 individual callers, with 112,808 reaching a representative. More than 950,000 of the calls, or 80%, got a busy signal.”

    “The contract call center has been a tremendous asset to our claimants during this unprecedented time. It operates seven days a week, and has connected directly with claimants 1.7 million times,” spokeswoman Angela Delli Santi said in a statement. “On Wednesday, for example, 9,000 calls were answered, and 1,000 additional attempts were made to reach a claimant.”
    Federal law requires that only certified, experienced claims examiners make changes on claims, Delli Santi said.

    “We built a tiered triage/escalation system that would allow the maximum number of clients to be served/have their questions answered in a timely fashion while sending the most complex, claim-specific issues to the most experienced agents,” she said. “Roughly two-thirds of called-in questions can be answered on the spot by call center staff. Complex claim issues are escalated to an agent for review.”

    Tens of thousands of people made the request to be escalated each month, the data shows.”
    As workers learned, many of the representatives answering the phone were unable to fix claims. Instead, they offered to put workers on an “escalation list” to get a call back from an agent.”

    Behind paywall.

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/05/nj-spent-more-than-11m-on-unemployment-call-center-in-first-6-months-how-did-it-do.html

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Private or public, all the same sh!t. That’s the damn truth. You have some good and some bad.

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I wonder why? Probably believe all the negative stereotypes. I’ve been all over the country, and I don’t know why you would view living in nj as a negative compared to some of these other spots.

    “The real litmus test of how NJ will fare in the years ahead is how often corporate relocations send people to the Garden State. At this point it’s a negative. Most people view a move to New Jersey a lot like a reloc to the gulag.”

  5. crushednjmillenial says:

    Vaccination update . . .

    According to Bloomberg vaccine tracker, over 50% of the population of 20 states + DC have received at least one dose of vaccine.

    It seems that herd immunity is achieved at about this level of vaccination, because cases have dropped like a rock. Bodes well for Europe this summer and most of the world by Fall 2021.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I guess can understand if you are forced to live in Paterson or some other poverty stricken location in nj…

    The horror that comes with living in a place like Pompton Plains….the horror.

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Investors Bet on Commercial Real Estate, Undeterred by Empty Offices and Hotel Rooms
    Government support, help from banks keep landlords from suffering steep losses

    https://apple.news/AzAE2BKLgTaGrA-iweRFUbg

  8. Phoenix says:

    Post from yesterday:

    “Two full time incomes today to pay for a modest 50 to 100 year old house with property taxes starting at 10k, its criminal.”

    Didn’t Pocahontas write a book about this years ago?

    Also from yesterday:

    “I can’t imagine this insanity will last much longer, housing markets are all behaving in very unnatural ways.

    See “Coffin Corner”

    And no mention of Calandra’s Bakery. Totally snubbed. Was that because Caldwell is too close to Wayne?

  9. Juice Box says:

    Back to the office? If and when? We still have a long long way to go until the streets and buildings in NYC are packed with commuters. How many years will it take for the ridership level to return the February 2020 levels?

    Cuomo and Deblasio have finally reopened NYC for business this week and some companies have signaled a return to the office.

    Ridership on Mass Transit for the NY Metro area as of last week’s data has not turned the corner. Here are the current percentages.

    MTA Subway ridership still down over 60% pre-pandemic, NYC buses fare a bit better about 40% pre-pandemic.

    Long Island Rail Road is still down nearly 70% pre-pandemic levels.

    Metro North is still down nearly 70% pre-pandemic levels.

    NJ Transit Trains are still 75% down pre-pandemic levels.

    NJ Transit Bus ridership is still down 50% pre-pandemic levels.

    NJ Light Rail Ridership is still down 55% pre-pandemic levels.

    Bridge and Tunnel traffic about 10% down.

    Again, there is little will to push people back to the office cubicles of the past century, WFH has been a tremendous success, all indicators are there will need to be another paradigm shift to push people away from their homes and back into office cubicles full time five days a week.

    How many years will it take for the mass ridership level of the NYC metro area to return to February 2020 levels?

  10. Phoenix says:

    Lib,
    From yesterday. Fios.
    Agreed. Service fantastic. I was one of the first in my area.

    But billing was beyond horrific from the start. It was worse than buying a car. They had a deal, then changed it after the purchase. Spent so much time trying to correct it. I’m guessing now it was early 2000’s. And it was more than 30 dollars back then. No BYOR option, they had a combined box with wackadoo software that had to be installed locally. I gave them one I didn’t use, wasn’t fond of their software on my machine. Then as soon as they left I installed my own router to the ethernet port and off I went.

    I’m sure by now the equipment has changed many times over.

  11. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My wife starts going back to the office on a regular basis starting July 6th. Right now, she goes every other week. I imagine most won’t be going back till September..

  12. Phoenix says:

    COVID has changed so many things about America, careers, finances, psychology, relationships, etc it will take 10 years or more before we see the full effects of what it has done.

    Between that, social media, and the evolution of invasive tracking of all humans in America something is going to give. Or will the youth be more resilient? We will see.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe I’m wrong and WFH becomes the norm. I just don’t see it. How long can you stay locked up in your home before it gets stale and old. Extroverts are in heaven, but this is a living hell for introverts. Have to cater to both. So I imagine the extroverts will stay at home because they hate people and like being by themselves all day. This is prob 20% of the population. The rest will work 4 days a week and prob get friday to stay home.

  14. Juice Box says:

    People are now saving about 15% to 25% of their entire waking hours not commuting to NYC. What NYC companies had asked for in the past was for 1.6 million commuters who go into Manhattan every day from the outer boroughs and the burbs. How will they force a return to a five day work week?

    People for the last 14 months had to adjust their lives and did. It takes two incomes to make it here and raising a family here has been difficult to impossible when you cannot afford child care, now people have a better work life balance if they are raising families here.

    The next few months we will watch the mass transit numbers and see how much they change. Of everyone I speak to that commutes to NYC few want to be there five days a week. It going to be a battle between management and the working class for several years. I don’t see the commuting numbers rising anytime soon to pre-pandemic levels.

  15. chicagofinance says:

    I completely disagree. The Chinese are not interested in being partners. There is no honor and respect for the rule of law in that business society. All that matters is outward appearances and saving face. Look at how the CCP runs that society. Why do you think it is even possible? Regardless of how abhorrent we believe the treatment is, there is a tacit acceptance. The ones who do not approve leave. Think about it. It speaks volumes.

    Libturd says:
    May 17, 2021 at 10:55 am
    If it were up to me, I would focus greatly on improving relations with China instead of trying to start a war with them. We certainly don’t agree on politically philosophy, but economically, China AND the US could be great partners. So much so that perhaps democracy could take hold over there. Look at South and North Korea.

  16. Nomad says:

    Rockland Bakery looks awesome. Hat tip Eddie but I might need to rent a UHaul.

    Lib, try some of Nicolos pastry and prepared foods, like their bread, very good.

    If you are ever in Somerville, some of the best: http://www.randazzospastryshop.com

    Conversation between Carson Block and Harris Kupperman (hedge fund guy) regarding Archegos and ARK. Not sure if true but damming if it is and they put themselves on video so if lying, would open themselves up…

    https://www.zer0es.tv/news-and-updates/did-archegos-sink-the-ark/

  17. 3b says:

    Juice: it’s happening now and the younger people with children are in the drivers seat, and they are not afraid to speak up. As you said two incomes to live here bleeding wealth and all that shite. The fact is people with children their work /home life balance has improved dramatically, and will continue to once schools open full time. This nonsense that people are locked up inside working on their laptop on top of the washing machine in the basement is a bunch of crap.

  18. chicagofinance says:

    You are totally wrong a$$hole. Fcuk you. Oh man, I am getting a pressure headache. I feel it right between the eyes……

    Libturd says:
    May 17, 2021 at 11:29 am
    I actually find living in the rest of the country much nicer than living here. People are simply more pleasant and there’s much less stress, which is a product of our dense population.

  19. chicagofinance says:

    Unless you saw Don Mattingly play first base for the Yankees, you are not a real New Yorker or Yankee fan, and I am a Met fan. Everyone else is a poser.

    3b says:
    May 17, 2021 at 11:56 am
    Fast To your point,NYC has been down before, although a lot of the Manhattan residents today don’t remember as they were not here, and will never be real NY ers anyhow. This time though WFH is the difference as it becomes more and more comfortable, and as the technology gets better etc, will thousands commute into NYC or other urban areas as the years pass.

  20. chicagofinance says:

    PER PUMPITA DISPOSABLE POSTS
    100%

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 17, 2021 at 2:04 pm
    $68,236
    PER CAPITA DISPOSABLE INCOME

  21. Phoenix says:

    ” Oh man, I am getting a pressure headache. I feel it right between the eyes……”

    Chi,
    It could be this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIJYO4u5iug

  22. chicagofinance says:

    You are an enormous bloc of head coming to these threads.

    The Great Pumpkin says:
    May 17, 2021 at 2:35 pm
    Covid didn’t do this, an enormous demographic bloc of buyers (millennials)coming to the market did.

  23. Phoenix says:

    “This nonsense that people are locked up inside working on their laptop on top of the washing machine in the basement is a bunch of crap.”

    Well, maybe not in poor parts of India. Do they have washing machines or basements?

  24. Phoenix says:

    “I completely disagree. The Chinese are not interested in being partners.”

    Worried about “Polish Angels?”

    Chinese Angels have even more money.

  25. Juice Box says:

    re: China – I have learned over the years that it’s a pretend society, rule of law is not as important to their other more traditional concepts to doing business and networking. Guanxi, Mianzi, Renqing, Ganqing and others.

    However the internet has changed that very much so in the last few years. In many ways they have a better version of what we have here. WeChat is everything to doing business there now, albeit with less privacy, but it may have helped them overcome some of the saving face challenges of social interaction as it is online instead of in person.

    WeChat is work email, Uber, Facebook, ApplePay, Snapchat, Amazon, Skype and online dating, platform for mobile payments, e-commerce, appointment bookings, travel app and blogging, as well as being host to a whole different universe of other Apps not found in the west, all with better integration.

    Because they do not follow our capitalist ways and laws they have a different online world than ours that is incompatible with the disjointed version that we have here. To do business there you will have to adapt, they won’t do a Zoom call, as it might be blocked. That is just the way it is.

  26. Anon says:

    I think if they could act with impunity, many execs would force their staff back to the office full time. Businesses don’t exist to make employees happy.

    I think one thing holding them back is the fear of being exposed as capricious or heartless. It is very easy to be shamed on social media. I think the fear of losing employees to more “family friendly” organizations is also a factor, but much less so since many industries act in lockstep.

    But overall, many people like the work from home arrangement and if the execs don’t come up with valid, quantifiable, reasons for imposing commutes on employees, they risk being the subject of a meme and getting cancelled.

    People in my group have told our direct boss that if he makes us come in for no reason (including so he can demonstrate conformance to a half-baked corporate policy) he will face a mutiny.

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “current metro area population of New York City in 2021 is 18,823,000, a 0.1% increase from 2020.”

    Okay, let’s say WFH becomes 100%. These people are still going to live here. Why? What part of the country can absorb this many people? These people are not going to start uprooting entire families because they can now WFH. Most people don’t have the balls to do that. It takes massive balls to just pick up and leave for another part of the country. You lose your entire social network, and that’s important when it comes to income and happiness.

    If offices die, they will find a new purpose because the land they are sitting on is too valuable. Look at sears…all turning into Amazon centers. Those malls might have died, but the land they are on did not. Same thing with the city. Even if offices die, the city will not. People enjoy it.

    So maybe you are correct in your position with WFH, which I don’t agree with, but it’s not going to crash real estate dude. No way, no how.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 10:28 am
    Juice: it’s happening now and the younger people with children are in the drivers seat, and they are not afraid to speak up. As you said two incomes to live here bleeding wealth and all that shite. The fact is people with children their work /home life balance has improved dramatically, and will continue to once schools open full time. This nonsense that people are locked up inside working on their laptop on top of the washing machine in the basement is a bunch of crap.

  28. Phoenix says:

    “albeit with less privacy”

    Well, we are catching up in this department rather quickly.

  29. Libturd says:

    Chi, I respect your opinion on China.

    I’m a lover. Not a fighter.

    If we ever go to war with them, I fear their great military prowess. There is rumored to be a great military strategist who rose through the ranks from rank Army Food Service Spec1alist. He’s already turned about 10% of the American population diabetic with just his delicious chicken alone. If that’s what he can do in the kitchen, then just imagine what he can do in the field of battle!

  30. Phoenix says:

    ” if the execs don’t come up with valid, quantifiable, reasons for imposing commutes on employees, they risk being the subject of a meme and getting cancelled.”

    Another example where you need to reach out to social media vs a totally ineffective legal/government system that no longer works for the average citizen.

    Way too many paid off old goats making laws.

  31. Phoenix says:

    If we ever go to war with them, I fear their great military prowess.

    Don’t worry,
    Chinese crap doesn’t work. They aren’t smart, they just steal and copy American things. Their missiles and ships are like toys and won’t work./s
    (American Mindset)

  32. Phoenix says:

    “He’s already turned about 10% of the American population diabetic with just his delicious chicken alone.”

    Popeyes will finish off the last 90%

  33. Phoenix says:

    Boomer Colonel Sanders Kentucky as gotten lazy with his chicken. Supposedly he wants to run for President. /s

    Bet some Americans would pull the lever.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Everyone knows they have an 8 hr work day that they can do in much less. In the boss’s mind, if you are not at work 8 hrs, why am I paying you so much? Most people don’t have 8 hrs of work in an 8hr day. If they did, there would not be enough jobs to go around. That’s why when times get bad at a company, they can somehow lay off 20% of the workforce, and still function.

    Now you have workers that are WFH and loving it, why? A lot of them can get their job done in a quick manner. More free time. Great for the worker, but hard on the ego of the boss to justify paying someone for 8 hrs of the day, when they really aren’t working that. At least when the employee is in the office, even if they are doing nothing, in the boss’s mind, my money is not being wasted. The pay is justified in their mind.

    What I’m getting at: it’s a battle between workers wanting to work less while receiving the same pay and the executives having to justify this in their mind. The job still gets done because not many people have a full plate of work for 8hrs, but since they are committing less time to said job, is it justified to continue paying them for it?

    Anon says:
    May 18, 2021 at 11:05 am
    I think if they could act with impunity, many execs would force their staff back to the office full time. Businesses don’t exist to make employees happy.

  35. Libturd says:

    How about a Colonel Sanders/General Tso ticket? You would get all of the demographics. Even the cancel culture people would vote for it as they have begun to put Asian Lives Matter signs on their lawns.

  36. Phoenix says:

    Let this sink in for a minute:

    NYPD cop let his dog sleep in the heated mudroom on same night he ‘froze his autistic son, eight, to death by making him sleep on freezing garage floor for wetting himself’
    Thomas Valva, 8, died of hypothermia after allegedly being forced to sleep in the family garage in 19F temperatures
    Thomas, who was on the autism spectrum, was allegedly punished for soiling his pajamas
    His father Michael Valva, 41, a former NYPD transit cop, has been charged with his murder

  37. 3b says:

    Pumps: Seriously give it a rest, you can hate WFH, for the real reasons you hate it, that is fine. But it is insulting for you with no corporate experience to opine on how long it takes us to do our jobs! Based on what? You have no experience to even remotely address this. You have no idea what we do, how we do it, deadlines, roadblock that arise and so much more. You make a fool of yourself when you spout this nonsense. And in a shocking display of zero self awareness you get upset when people here make comments about teachers.

  38. JCer says:

    Pumps what’s an 8hr workday? Corporate America demands more, very few white collar people working “8hrs”. WFH has been awful because employers know they can schedule meetings at all hours and if they drag your ass on a call at 7am or 7pm you likely will work all of those hours. There are far fewer excuses for not being available. Before the pandemic, it was the commute, the kids activities, events, etc now there is so much less going on you can be available for work at all hours. So truthfully post pandemic I don’t know if WFH will be the same as I assume other things will return to normal.

    Chi, you are dead on with respect to China(or the CCCP to be more specific). They have no respect for so many things including Human rights, there is no such thing as a partnership with them, they want to dominate and exert control. Replace China with Nazi Germany, as their goals are quite similar, there was not partnering with the Nazi’s just as there is no partnering with the CCCP. They want to colonize Africa and exert control on their neighbors, we gave back Hong Kong and Macau, that wasn’t enough they want Taiwan and probably Vietnam. They believe Han people are intrinsically superior and that Americans are stupid and greedy(a point which they exploit).

  39. 3b says:

    Jcer: All True, the question is will Chinese troops fight if it comes to that. Some experts think they are soft. They also have a declining birth rate, like here.

  40. leftwing says:

    “But overall, many people like the work from home arrangement and if the execs don’t come up with valid, quantifiable, reasons for imposing commutes on employees, they risk being the subject of a meme and getting cancelled.”

    Comp and promotions. Execs are on the right side of that red pen….

    I would argue in most industries/companies you can’t be a top performer without being active more broadly than just your narrow role. Best launch pad for promotion and comp in many areas I’ve seen were line workers actively involved recruiting, training, and other ‘soft’ areas. Matter of fact, in my space those roles were specifically reserved for employees deemed to be top performers which makes sense…what company wants an unmotivated village idiot out representing them to their recruits and new employees?

    Very easy to see a bifurcation of those who can and will only do their office jobs WFH and those that are in-office and more integrated,

    The latter will be comped and promoted, the former will see their jobs shifted repetitively to the lowest cost area that provides the work remotely.

  41. 3b says:

    Leftwing: I am not convinced on that. Lots of positions are geographically agnostic today , boss is in one office, his boss in another, and the rank and file employees are split between 3 and 4 different offices.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I didn’t mean for it to be insulting. A lot of corporate jobs have days where there is not much to do, and other days where they work 12 hr days straight. All I was trying to do was put it in the perspective of the boss and why a boss/owner would want their employee to be at work.

    So taking my example. If that individual is at home, and has no work lined up for that day, do you think the boss wants them sitting at home getting paid? It hurts their ego. You would be the first to say, what am I paying this person for today?

    So think about a cheap boss and his approach to you working at home with no work lined up for that day. If you were in the office, and didn’t have any work lined up, would he just let you go home? No, he would say to take a “personal day.” WFH changes that, the boss knows that, and it will likely boil his/her blood.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 11:48 am
    Pumps: Seriously give it a rest, you can hate WFH, for the real reasons you hate it, that is fine. But it is insulting for you with no corporate experience to opine on how long it takes us to do our jobs!

  43. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then the other angle. In a WFH environment, what are the chances your employees will feed off each other and grow as an employee? That’s out the door. You now have to hope your employee can grow by themselves. No one wants to sit there on zoom and mentor somebody all day. That’s not fun.

  44. 3b says:

    Pumps:Again, give it a rest, you have no business commenting on the topic as you singing lay don’t know, you are guessing, surmising, but that’s it. You ignore how much it’s changed, the boss isn’t walking around checking on his employees and him with a office on one side and the big boss in the corner office. Those days are over in much of corporate America. You make yourself sound like some kind of authority on the subject, when you are not. I don’t comment on teachers and what they do or don’t do, I am not a teacher.

  45. Libturd says:

    A good supervisor always keeps his direct reports busy. Honestly, there should never be a day where there is absolutely nothing to do. Personally, when my time frees up, I ask my manager for some new projects. Though, this is rare. With all of the changes in the industry and new software to learn, I try to stay in front of what my manager or his manager assigns me. Besides surprise compensation (which is truly a surprise since it nearly never happens), there is little more rewarding than when an executive, who is paid big bucks to steer the company in a direction, mentions a trend or new product in a conference call and YOU have all the answers for it. Sadly, they usually only spot the trend from a salesperson hawking their wares. My biggest pet peeve is the lack of exposure my really “smart” team gets with the rest of company. Even though, whenever it’s the 11th hour and client’s are in full panic, that’s when my team is usually called in to solve the issue. At the end of the day, once you go up two levels from me, no one knows we exist. I guess it’s a blessing too.

  46. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dude, first off, I’m a pretty smart guy. I talk to my wife, friends, and other family members. My mom has been corporate my entire life.

    Also, what do you think, a school is much different than corporate these days? Wake up. At my school, they are ruthless, the kids get a half day, but we have to stay there. No kids to teach, only job to do is grade papers, and they won’t let you go home and do it. Why? The same reason I stated earlier with corporate owners and bosses…they want what they want, and that ego must be fed.

    Maybe a tiny school school district in Bergen county doesn’t behave like a corporation, but these large school districts sure do. Admins and the board of ed are not the teacher’s friends in my district. They are out to get you and make your life miserable so that you quit. Then at a meeting, they smile and say to you “it’s not about the gotcha.” lol never gets old.

  47. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sometimes there is nothing to do because you are waiting on reports from another department. Bunch of factors are at play. At the end, my point stands, the boss doesn’t mind you waiting for those numbers at the office doing nothing, but they don’t want you at home getting paid waiting for those numbers.

    Libturd says:
    May 18, 2021 at 12:38 pm
    A good supervisor always keeps his direct reports busy. Honestly, there should never be a day where there is absolutely nothing to do. Personally, when my time frees up, I ask my manager for some new projects. Though, this is rare.

  48. leftwing says:

    ” I respect your opinion on China….If we ever go to war with them, I fear their great military prowess.”

    Didn’t see this in US papers, maybe I missed it…maybe they’ll meet up and drag race.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/57127234

  49. leftwing says:

    “…what’s an 8hr workday? Corporate America demands more, very few white collar people working “8hrs”.”

    I know of no one with a college degree in corporate America that works only an eight hour day…bond traders, maybe. But then there is usually BS entertainment that is effectively mandatory.

  50. 3b says:

    Pumps: Yeah you are a pretty smart guy, if you say, of course smart people don’t brag about it. So that comment is suspect to say the least. Interesting the WFH item has been a topic here for over a year, and only now we are hearing you talk about your family and friends in corporate, and how you talk to them, including your wife and your Mom. Interesting.

  51. leftwing says:

    “…Lots of positions are geographically agnostic today , boss is in one office, his boss in another, and the rank and file employees are split between 3 and 4 different offices.”

    Don’t disagree with that statement, it’s factually correct.

    My point was for the situation where jobs were located in the office, moved to WFH with the pandemic, and the former office employees are pushing back on returning.

    Dimon/Solomon firing shots across the bow especially in light of juniors’ complaints on hours is one example…the analysts may very well collectively have the leverage to get some WFH or reduced hours…if so I can tell you to the dollar and day their bonus and promotion…it ain’t pretty…

    Point is, convincing your manager that your job can be WFH can be a Pyrrhic victory…

    You are saying I can do my job without being in the office….what the corporation hears is I can have this job done without you specifically…and boom off it goes remotely to Boulder, upstate NY, or Bangladore.

  52. Anon says:

    Leftwing,

    You may be correct; however, I posit that the allure of the “in person corporate climbing company man” lifestyle is fading along with the desire for stay-at-home wives, power lunches, golf outings, and the like.

    In addition, to discriminate against families (and people who work from home) flies in the face of espoused diversity, equity, and inclusion values. Many of our newest associates have expressed as much.

    I’ve also seen where face time has the opposite effect. Those people get dumped on and taken for the lackeys that they are.

    People don’t want relationships. They want to transact and move on to the next thing

  53. 3b says:

    The grand Pooba all knowing Pumps is qualified to speak on corporate America, however we mere mortals that only work 8 hour days, and look to do as little as we can and still get paid, are not permitted to discuss teaching or teachers. We are just not qualified only he is on all topics all the time.

  54. 3b says:

    Left: I agree, and that very well could and will happen in some cases. But as Anon points out the millennial crowd are demanding this in many cases now. They are the 2 income couples, as opposed to boomers who for the most part had stay at home wives. As the 555 and over crowd retires from management the new generation will be making those decisions on work life balance. As for golf and 3 hour lunches that is fading fast as well.

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then what makes you human. What is your purpose?

    Sit in your house all day away from people? That’s fine for a minority of the population, but if the entire population goes off the wall like this, we are doomed.

    “People don’t want relationships. They want to transact and move on to the next thing”

  56. Bystander says:

    He is deliberately obtuse. He thinks we work 8 hours when it is 11-12 almost everyday. I have 7 or 7:30Am meeting with Pune or Europe nearly everyday. My manager sets up meetings three times a week at 4 p which go to 6:30pm bc so much exec mgt crap builds up throughout day. If you have not looked for a job, I think everyone here should do so. Even if happy, go put ‘open to new roles’ on LinkedIn. Take some calls and see what is going on with WFH, Covid, salaries. It is f-in bizzaro world of wants/requirements/salary limits from employer but we really “need” people. Corp America can mostly eat sh$t with their appraoch. I ain’t commuting to NYC for 100K a year job. I will play ever game in book until they get rid of me, if current IB returns to office. Lots of people are coming to this conclusion. Why make a little more and go crazy with commuting and travel. It ain’t worth it.

  57. 3b says:

    Pumps: No absolutely not pumps. Most people have to work period. It’s just one piece of their life. They want to come in and get the job done, and done well. The money they receive enables them to live their lives. You should kid ask your Mom and Wife about that.

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Look at in another way. Are you advocating for stay at home college….no different than offering a graduate a WFH position.

    You have kids. Do you want them WFH? Would you have wanted them to conduct college from home (ton of savings for colleges right there in real estate, right? I said right?)?

    Going to work to interact with people is not bad, it’s fun. Go crack a joke on this guy, go talk sports with another guy. Go say hello to the new beautiful worker that just got hired.

    You guys suck the life out of life. Family is awesome, but you don’t want to be stuck home with your family everyday for 10 years straight. You love them, but no need to be there 24/7. Have to live a little too.

    It was cool to be with the family 24/7 during covid, but I’m over it. Fortunately, my relationship is fine, but a lot of people got divorced, or are going to, because it was too much to combine work and family at the same time. All day, everyday.

    It’s like a genie gave a wish….I want to be home with my family all the time. Wish granted! Boom, stress builds to it breaks said relationships.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 1:15 pm
    Left: I agree, and that very well could and will happen in some cases. But as Anon points out the millennial crowd are demanding this in many cases now. They are the 2 income couples, as opposed to boomers who for the most part had stay at home wives. As the 555 and over crowd retires from management the new generation will be making those decisions on work life balance. As for golf and 3 hour lunches that is fading fast as well.

  59. PumpkinFace says:

    Extroverts are in heaven, but this is a living hell for introverts. Have to cater to both. So I imagine the extroverts will stay at home because they hate people and like being by themselves all day.

    Reposting this comment for all to enjoy.

  60. A Home Buyer says:

    My company is now requesting (but not requiring) people return back in the beginning of June.

    There’s significant concern at the management level that many individuals will not return. We are not sure how to address that other then be “flexible” and encouraging.

  61. leftwing says:

    Anon/3b, broadly which industries are you in? I may be biased due to the characteristics of my industry (investment banking)….

    Interested, as I have these conversations with my son as he begins his career…he is acutely aware of the number of hours he works, not the least because he is a SD and his time is logged in/off as he signs in/out to his workstation….

    He is GenZer with a well developed sense of work/life balance….I discuss with him how to become fast-tracked and that a critical component is being worth more to his firm than simply the sum of his weekly output…specifically that doesn’t entail more hours but better, smarter hours…..and that’s for an industry that specifically lends itself to remote office work…

    In any case, I would suggest that regardless of industry if your manager is in the office and selected co-workers are in there together next to him and my desk is empty as I’m at home…..yeah, I don’t want to be that guy come bonuses, promotions, or cutbacks…..

  62. leftwing says:

    “As for golf and 3 hour lunches that is fading fast as well.”

    LOL, can count on one hand the number of times I’ve had either over a 20+ year career…just not part of our DNA.

  63. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Suck it…you know what I meant.

    PumpkinFace says:
    May 18, 2021 at 1:37 pm
    Extroverts are in heaven, but this is a living hell for introverts. Have to cater to both. So I imagine the extroverts will stay at home because they hate people and like being by themselves all day.

    Reposting this comment for all to enjoy.

  64. Anon says:

    Just to be clear for those readers with faulty logic circuits or who may not understand how the real world works:

    Working from home does not mean no social interaction.

    For me it means more controlled social interaction. Less time burglars and unproductive conversations. And it has made it easier to network with the people I want and engage in side projects of interest since I don’t have to rely on physical location as a common denominator.

  65. 3b says:

    Pumps: 1:34 you really should go back and read that post. Really read it and understand what you wrote. I will give you a hint, you are comparing work to college, and yet you said you can’t. And again after numerous times repeating it , here is one more . Who said trapped with your family for 10 years? Schools open up, kids go back, parents continue to WFH in some hybrid fashion. They have hours to get work done without the added stress of a commute both ways. It really is that simple for many.

  66. SmallGovConservative says:

    Libturd says:
    May 18, 2021 at 11:13 am
    “If we ever go to war with them, I fear their great military prowess.”

    The Chinese aren’t going to gain military superiority simply because of their size, technical prowess, or espionage — or anything that they do, per se. They’re going to get us (if they get us) because of the things that we’re doing to diminish our own military capabilities and readiness. Call it what you will — feminizing the military, making the military ‘woke’, deprioritizing an offensive paradigm that ensures our ability to project hard power and instead building a military that’s used largely to project soft power (responding to natural disasters) and a purely defensive posture — the radicalized Dems are clearly intent on degrading US military capabilities.

    Air Force Lt. Colonel Fired After Remarks About Marxism, Critical Race Theory Spreading in Military — https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/05/17/space-force-commander-marxism-military/

  67. 3b says:

    Left: IB for many years,trading and sales. Now legal, Wall Street.

  68. 3b says:

    Anon: It’s wonderful not to have to deal with the guy who engages in BS all day, and then complains how busy they are. Or the guy who pops over to asl a question and then won’t leave.

  69. BRT says:

    Also, what do you think, a school is much different than corporate these days? Wake up. At my school, they are ruthless, the kids get a half day, but we have to stay there. No kids to teach, only job to do is grade papers, and they won’t let you go home and do it. Why? The same reason I stated earlier with corporate owners and bosses…they want what they want, and that ego must be fed.

    All day grading papers eh?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fn_vAhu_Lw

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ahh, you don’t want your son or daughter going to college from home, but you have no problem sending them into the workforce on a WFH basis. How do they learn?

    Don’t give me that garbage that I can’t compare college to work.

    Do you understand that some relationships are better off if they are no with each other at all times of the day, esp under stressful work conditions?

    My brother-in-law can run his architect business from home, but doesn’t…why? What is more professional? Does he really want to be conducting business from home?

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 1:51 pm
    Pumps: 1:34 you really should go back and read that post. Really read it and understand what you wrote. I will give you a hint, you are comparing work to college, and yet you said you can’t. And again after numerous times repeating it , here is one more . Who said trapped with your family for 10 years? Schools open up, kids go back, parents continue to WFH in some hybrid fashion. They have hours to get work done without the added stress of a commute both ways. It really is that simple for many.

  71. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Grow a backbone and tell them I’m busy. You hate people..

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 1:57 pm
    Anon: It’s wonderful not to have to deal with the guy who engages in BS all day, and then complains how busy they are. Or the guy who pops over to asl a question and then won’t leave.

  72. 3b says:

    Pump: I knew that is how you would respond, so predictable! Just to refresh though at the end of the day you hate WFH because you are concerned it will negatively impact your life style. So all must return to the office so Pumps is assured of his level of comfort.

  73. 3b says:

    Pumps: Do you tell your Superintendent that?

  74. 3b says:

    I have had my fun today. I can always be sure when it’s WFH, it will set the pumpster off; it never fails. I am done with him on the topic for a while.

  75. Ez says:

    WFH is a dream for my spouse. She gets to be home-based while prior to the latest iteration was only reserved for remote sales people. This is going to be the norm going forward. Who in their right mind prefers a commute? Hours of your life slogging into the office.

  76. Ez says:

    1:52 “feminizing” lol – a trigger doesn’t care what sex you are.
    Women can kill as easily as men. Get a grip.

  77. 3b says:

    Ez Tell your wife to get back to the office, she can’t possibly be happy or productive!

  78. Libturd says:

    I was joking about China’s military. It was a play on General Tso’s Chicken. Sheesh. It’s a tough crowd.

  79. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are a clown. I don’t know why no one picks on you here. It blows my mind.

    I’m against WFH because it will negatively impact my real estate. We already hit peak WFH and my real estate was never hurt negatively like you imply.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:12 pm
    Pump: I knew that is how you would respond, so predictable! Just to refresh though at the end of the day you hate WFH because you are concerned it will negatively impact your life style. So all must return to the office so Pumps is assured of his level of comfort.

  80. Libturd says:

    “radicalized Dems”

    Sure.

    https://tinyurl.com/aradiclizeddemsright

  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    We will see what happens. My position is that most people will be going back to the office or some type of setting where they work in person with their co-workers for 3-4 days a week.

    This position has nothing to do with my personal life. I don’t gain or lose anything on this call. I just enjoy debating, and this is my position.

  82. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I also believe a good amount of people at each company (the main drivers of the company) will be going 5 days a week. These are the people that make the company go. These are your go getters and the people who want to move up. These are not the people content with their position with not much motivation to move up.

  83. Juice Box says:

    People have been working from home for years. I was home two days and in the office three days a week for years. Flexible too, pick and choose days etc. We have remote workers everywhere folks. There are somewhere like 50 million working from home in the USA right now.

    I put up the real numbers to gauge where we are with commuting for NY Metro. The subway is somewhere around 2 million rides a day. Not bad except it used to be over 5 million rides a day. LIRR and NJ Transit and Metro North still down approx 70%. Buses at 50% etc.

    Long way to go folks to get millions and millions back into office buildings. You can bet the workers have the upper hand for now. It just remains to be seem for how long. I don’t see it going back to five days anytime soon, people have adjusted their lives and there are allot of people who are going to change companies if they are forced to go back to a 40-55 hour work week in an old office building with 10-15 hours of commuting.

  84. Anon says:

    Leftwing,

    I work for a f500 tech company.

    Perhaps the IB world is different, but my boss and many other execs are savvy enough to know that being physically present is not a proxy for value. More complex work gets assigned to the people they know won’t f$ck it up, and those people are rewarded and recognized accordingly. It’s typically the problem workers who are kept under closer supervision.

    I think the strategy for newer workers is the same as it ever was, even in a remote environment: Identify the 20% of the people that do 80% of the work and work with them. Once you are in that circle lots of things open up.

  85. Ez says:

    F’ Michigan

    Tlaib became the first Palestinian-American woman to be elected to Congress and simultaneously one of the first two Muslim women in Congress, along with fellow Democrat Ilhan Omar of Minnesota. She took the congressional oath of office on January 3, 2019, swearing in on an English-language translation of the Quran.

  86. Bystander says:

    We know..your brain is vert.

    The Great Pumpkin says:

    Suck it…you know what I meant.

    PumpkinFace says:
    May 18, 2021 at 1:37 pm
    Extroverts are in heaven, but this is a living hell for introverts. Have to cater to both. So I imagine the extroverts will stay at home because they hate people and like being by themselves all day.

    Reposting this comment for all to enjoy.

  87. Juice Box says:

    I think we can dive a little deeper here, let’s break down some costs of commuting too….

    Commuting is expensive too. We have saved well over $16,000 a year on my back of the napkin estimate. Ferry boat monthly pass was $642.50, that is $7,770.10. I was spending about $45 a week in gas and tolls for 3 days of commuting so another $2,340. Breakfast and lunch conservatively was what $60 a week. That is another $6,000 a year for two.

    Child care programs for two kids before and after care at school were around $20,000 for the 36 weeks of school too.

    I am not even counting wardrobes. My wife and I have not purchased business attire in over a year.

    $36,000 in savings in the last year alone…..

    You can bet there will be push back, lots and lots of it.

  88. JCer says:

    Yes lib the PLA does have an alarming lead in fried chicken technology. People don’t know how to take a joke.

    Unfortunately the PLA has been rapidly gaining ground, there capabilities were a joke 30 years ago but we have opened the window and allowed them to steal everything from tech to techniques from the west and they have an alarming number of people and clearly manufacturing prowess(which history tells us is vital to warfare). I’m sure of government has war gamed it but I think in a war with China being able to cut off their oil supply and foreign food supply, although I’d be they have war gamed it themselves and have strategic supplies set aside. Raw supply imports for 1.3 bn people is their achilles heel, if they were fighting an external war and faced with starvation internal rebellion could take them down. The fact the chinese have a next gen fighter shows how bad we messed up, 20 years ago they could not make a passenger airplane better than something boeing made in the 1960’s. We have spent the last 20 years talking about how many genders we have and how racist america is when we should have been focused on hemming in our existential threat.

  89. Libturd says:

    I’ll be honest. NJTransit is the ONLY reason I began working from home. I refuse to go back. Anywhere from 3 to 4 hours a day to go 32 miles on rail round-trip. More wonderful public workers.

    I’m lucky if I get my snail mail these days. Yet I can order a $3 pen from Amazon at 10pm and have it sitting on my porch the following morning with a picture of the delivered package in my email.

    Don’t even get me started.

    I live with a Federal Customs worker. Don’t ask me what he went into the office for today? He gets a pension (3 highest years) and 401K with a 5% match. Healthcare for life with low deductibles. It’s dreamy.

  90. Juice Box says:

    I have misstated the child care costs. It was months not weeks. So approx $800 a month school is 180 days or 36 weeks or 9 months. Cost would be $7,200 a year. This is where I live YMCA run before and after care.

    Still $16,000 Commuting costs plus $7,200 child care costs…..$23,200 a year saved.

  91. 3b says:

    Pumps: You don’t enjoy debating and you do have something to lose in this debate at least in your mind , you admitted it months ago.

  92. 3b says:

    Anon: It is similar in many respects in non-tech areas as well. The managers know who gets the work done, and who does not. It has very little to do with being in the office and seen, those things are not as important anymore due to geographical dispersal. There are some days that go smooth and you just bang it out, at home even more so, and without the distractions.

  93. Anon says:

    3B Agreed.

    3:30 and I’m off to take one of my kids to the park.

    I will log back on and put in another several hours after dinner. No loss in value to my employer. Huge increase in quality of life for my family. This is the way.

  94. 3b says:

    Anon: Enjoy!

  95. JCer says:

    JB you have high commuting costs, for us it’s around ~$200 for parking, $100 in tolls, $75 in gas so $400 per month it’s like 5k a year but it’s about the same for the wife and I so 10k but some of that is tax advantaged and I’d kill to be able to pay for childcare! I’m saving another $2500 a year by not needing to buy lunch(4 days a week in the office, ~$12 for lunch daily).

  96. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I say the exact same thing, but different wording. I getting attacked for disrespecting corporate America.

    3b, get a life. Why aren’t you saying anything to him? Only attack me for saying it.

    Anon says:
    May 18, 2021 at 2:55 pm
    Leftwing,

    I work for a f500 tech company.

    Perhaps the IB world is different, but my boss and many other execs are savvy enough to know that being physically present is not a proxy for value. More complex work gets assigned to the people they know won’t f$ck it up, and those people are rewarded and recognized accordingly. It’s typically the problem workers who are kept under closer supervision.

    I think the strategy for newer workers is the same as it ever was, even in a remote environment: Identify the 20% of the people that do 80% of the work and work with them. Once you are in that circle lots of things open up.

  97. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Then you double down and agree with it. This is exactly what you attacked me for. I said most workers do the bare minimum to get by. They like WFH because it increases their chances of “Netflix and chill” while on the clock, while their stuff their lazy a$$ with food that they don’t need.

    Oh how dare I disrespect them, but here you are agreeing.

    Remember, I pointed out the series “Office” as comedy hour for the avg office worker? Of course, you insulted me for pointing that out.

    You are a class A clown.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 3:26 pm
    Anon: It is similar in many respects in non-tech areas as well. The managers know who gets the work done, and who does not. It has very little to do with being in the office and seen, those things are not as important anymore due to geographical dispersal. There are some days that go smooth and you just bang it out, at home even more so, and without the distractions.

  98. 3b says:

    Punps: Read what I said, there are some days when you can and should be able to get the job done in 8 hours, there are many other days where you cannot. There are some people in an office environment that spend half their day complaining how busy they are , as they are BS in all day. Nothing difficult to understand there.

  99. Ez says:

    3:53 no, you get hazed for talking about corporate life, making ridiculous statements, and then others remember you have never worked in Corporate America. Duh.

  100. 3b says:

    Jcer: Commuting is a 3600 a year savings for me.

  101. Juice Box says:

    re: High commuting costs.

    From Monmouth County it’s a slog unless you take the boat, there is a massive time savings too.

    Monthly Train is $445.00 into Penn Station, then subway downtown for 15 minutes for $127 a month or $572

    Monthly Bus from Parkway rest stop about the same? $445 but then Subway downtown for another 1/2 hour for $127 a month

    Monthly Boat $642.50 or $70 a month more without the free freak shows on the subway cars!

  102. 3b says:

    Pumps: If even possible you embarrass yourself more with your Office reference as a real portrayal of office life. Your tunnel vision and absolutism is just amazing.

  103. 3b says:

    Juice: Stop with your savings nonsense, and get your arse back in the office!

  104. leftwing says:

    3b/anon…gotcha….can’t speak to F500 but 3b surprised on your take on IB…

    Maybe it’s different areas, but on the banking side of IB back in the day you wouldn’t be caught dead not in the office over Memorial Day weekend…hell, if you weren’t on something live and time critical that was an issue to start but compound the fact that you weren’t staffed AND decided to hoof it to the Hamptons or LBI…professional suicide.

    While not as bad currently as that, I would maintain my original assertion….in the banking side of IB at least it’s extremely difficult to be a top performer without being active more broadly than just your narrow role and if WFH ever takes hold for juniors in this sector I could easily see a bifurcation of those who do their office jobs WFH and those that are in-office and more integrated with the latter being the ones comped and promoted….

    Here’s a data set of one but…helped a friend’s son get an internship that he turned into a full time position at a bulge bracket firm…his presence in the office among the VPs/MDs made him the only kid at his level at an offsite, the three days out there with direct and singular interface with the MDs got him exposure…he ended up number one in his analyst class…bonus 125% of salary. Could most of his peers simply have produced the sheets of paper he did in the manner he did? Of course. The differentiation is away from the specific product. The intangibles.

    For roles where comp and promotion are more than just delivering a sheet of output you gotta have the facetime….culture, trust, camaraderie….

  105. Libturd says:

    The problem is most people in the public sector punch a clock. They are paid for their time, not for their production. What they achieve is rarely measured. Reviews nearly never happen. It’s just time, and step increases, all on the way to the holy grail of the guaranteed pension. Whether you eat donuts all day, or actually care about public safety, the final result is the same. But don’t you dare punch the clock five minutes late on the way in or 5 minutes early on the way out. That’s grounds for dismissal.

    What public sector workers really don’t get is that those who are paid salaries are not beholden to the clock. They are mostly judged by their performance. Their salaries are commensurate to the value they bring to the company. It has nothing to do with the hours worked. It’s why we don’t punch clocks. We don’t even have established start stop times. What matters is that the work gets done.

  106. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sign me up!! Where does this exist? You are so wrong.

    Libturd says:
    May 18, 2021 at 4:48 pm
    The problem is most people in the public sector punch a clock. They are paid for their time, not for their production. What they achieve is rarely measured. Reviews nearly never happen. It’s just time, and step increases, all on the way to the holy grail of the guaranteed pension. Whether you eat donuts all day, or actually care about public safety, the final result is the same. But don’t you dare punch the clock five minutes late on the way in or 5 minutes early on the way out. That’s grounds for dismissal.

    What public sector workers really don’t get is that those who are paid salaries are not beholden to the clock. They are mostly judged by their performance. Their salaries are commensurate to the value they bring to the company. It has nothing to do with the hours worked. It’s why we don’t punch clocks. We don’t even have established start stop times. What matters is that the work gets done.

  107. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Dimon said get back in the office, bitch.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 4:10 pm
    Juice: Stop with your savings nonsense, and get your arse back in the office!

  108. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are a fool.

    3b says:
    May 18, 2021 at 4:08 pm
    Pumps: If even possible you embarrass yourself more with your Office reference as a real portrayal of office life. Your tunnel vision and absolutism is just amazing.

  109. Juice Box says:

    Pumps subway these days.

    Pumps did you know it was legal to go top*le•ss on the NYC subway, or anywhere in NY?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cMhyUPwzyx4

    Warning on link

  110. 3b says:

    Pumps: You strike out like an angry child. Suck it , Bitch and some other of your middle school comments.

  111. 3b says:

    Left: It’s not all areas of IB s of course, that’s why when Dimon says back to the office, it’s targeted to those who know who he is talking too. Traders and institutional sales perhaps and bankers , they will be coming back, but I would not be surprised if even they could WFH as needed, of course one is going to actually have to do it, before others make get follow. In my muni days, the public finance bankers were there to all hours . Some used to leave a suit jacket on their chair in case the partners were walking around, and they had left early. This was particularly so when a big underwriting was being worked on. I was trading and sales, and it was 7:30 to 5:00, although a boat load of entertaining, a lot of it BS but it has to be done, then it could be home in the wee hours or f the morning, but you better be back at your desk at 7:30 A.M Anyhow back to IBs as you know, they are big operations with multiple divisions and departments, and many more f those functions and they are not all mindless drones as you know who would say can be done from home. And they will. As for retail sales some are looking at hybrid models, and larger branch like offices, more like hubs, that can be used as needed client meetings etc How it all shakes out in the end remains to be seen, but it’s not going back to what it was, and it my opinion not even close.

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If WFH does become the norm for the majority of the workforce, you can bet that it will become like what you describe below. In this scenario, why would an in office employee accept the same payment as a WFH worker? They won’t. It will become an easy bragging right in the business world that you are an “in person” office worker…aka a badge that says “I make sh!t happen.” Only then will all the WFH workers realize who they really are, and then want back in the office. Too bad; stay home, door is shut.

    “While not as bad currently as that, I would maintain my original assertion….in the banking side of IB at least it’s extremely difficult to be a top performer without being active more broadly than just your narrow role and if WFH ever takes hold for juniors in this sector I could easily see a bifurcation of those who do their office jobs WFH and those that are in-office and more integrated with the latter being the ones comped and promoted….”

  113. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Even better yet, will a WFH worker even feel like they play for the same team as their co-workers who go into the office?

  114. 3b says:

    Pumps: Please give it a rest for the evening. You are preaching to yourself.

  115. Ez says:

    Lib you are as usual correct. Let me add that tenure (for example) means you can be an assh@le all day and generally be mediocre and you know that you will not be replaced.

    The psychology there is very very powerful. Think about it. Get seniority – you literally have a job for life. At that point you are thinking…..I can be lazy, uncaring, uninspiring, and you know you will never get canned. Sure evaluations can go south, you can “be under review” that takes YEARS….the average public employee lives in a dream world.

  116. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ez,

    Be honest, are most teachers throwing in the towel?

    How come I still do my job if what you say is true? I’m going on year 17 and never had an easy year in my career. The job is challenging. Maybe in suburbia you have it easy, I don’t know I’m not there. Though I imagine dealing with parents like lib or 3b on a regular basis is a nightmare. How do you throw in the towel with parents holding you accountable?

    Enlighten me..

  117. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It takes 2 years of bad observation scores to be shown the door. Tenured or not…that was Christie’s law. So they can get rid of anyone they want.

  118. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Funny, my wife came home and told me management was complaining of people coming in and leaving early…salaried positions people.. making 6 figures.

    They want you in the building when they are paying you…

  119. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Finance pros shunned Hertz when it filed for bankruptcy. Small investors bought—and are ready to cash in as the rental-car company emerges from bankruptcy.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hertz-the-original-meme-stock-rewards-its-true-believers-11621354091

  120. Ez says:

    7:44 show me another job where it takes 2 years to fire someone.

  121. Ez says:

    Pumps my comment is a general statement about the field.
    Not a commentary on “you”. My point is that you do not have the same
    Pressures that other jobs have. The temperament that it takes to be a teacher
    is complex, but the job security in the public schools in NJ is unmatched.

  122. BRT says:

    It takes 2 years of bad observation scores to be shown the door. Tenured or not…that was Christie’s law. So they can get rid of anyone they want.

    I’ve been teaching 11 years since that system was implemented. I’ve yet to see anyone getting the axe through the observation process.

  123. chicagofinance says:

    You’ve earned triple bonus points…..

    Can I buy you a $100 gift cert at Bottle King?

    Juice Box says:
    May 18, 2021 at 5:24 pm
    Pumps subway these days.

    Pumps did you know it was legal to go top*le•ss on the NYC subway, or anywhere in NY?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cMhyUPwzyx4

    Warning on link

  124. Juice Box says:

    Chi – I don’t need booze how about some Panama red? I kid of course…I am a professional troll, so I don’t accept tips…

    Anecdotal – was at a neighbor’s backyard party a few weeks ago, he took out a joint and went light it up out back behind his house. I reminded him kids were around, and to perhaps wait untill they leave etc, he was really “jonesing” for it too, seemed like he had some before we arrived.

    It’s going to be a wild summer since both NY and NJ have legalized it. There were three 8 graders that went missing this week, seems they took off to NYC after school. Social media shows them goofing off in Brooklyn and smoking perhaps weed, can’t tell exactly but seems like it was…

  125. chicagofinance says:

    They are on my son’s feeds……. I’ll let him know….

    Juice Box says:
    May 18, 2021 at 9:56 pm
    Chi – I don’t need booze how about some Panama red? I kid of course…I am a professional troll, so I don’t accept tips…

    Anecdotal – was at a neighbor’s backyard party a few weeks ago, he took out a joint and went light it up out back behind his house. I reminded him kids were around, and to perhaps wait untill they leave etc, he was really “jonesing” for it too, seemed like he had some before we arrived.

    It’s going to be a wild summer since both NY and NJ have legalized it. There were three 8 graders that went missing this week, seems they took off to NYC after school. Social media shows them goofing off in Brooklyn and smoking perhaps weed, can’t tell exactly but seems like it was…

  126. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    Do you still do your job? If so, why?

  127. BRT says:

    Juice,

    go take a trip to six flags. The entire parking lot smells like weed right now. It got so bad at the end of last year that they had to bring in the drug sniffing dogs and sit them at the entrance prior to the metal detectors because everyone was smoking it inside the park. They have signs all over reminding you that marijuana is not permitted in the park. I’m actually in the process of drafting a letter to them that we might not be able to hold field trips there anymore if this persists.

  128. BRT says:

    I still do my job, because I’m not a leech on society.

  129. Juice Box says:

    Chi – they pulled an all nighter too, left yesterday found this morning, left phones at home intentionally.

    These kids down here are bumpkins too Queens or Bronx boy, luckily they are ok.

  130. The Great Pumpkin says:

    There are always going to be the slackers, the hard workers, and the in between. That’s what being a teacher has taught me about human demographics. You are going to have your lowlifes that truly don’t give a f’k. You are going to have your individuals who are always looking for the easy way out…scheming to get the most with the least amount of work. Your avg individual who puts out avg effort and results. Your overachiever, who always carries the groups they are put in during class. These are the guys that do all the work and make sure the project turns out successful.

    Apply this to life because that’s all it is…

  131. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Doesn’t matter what job you have, there are going to be leeches. That doesn’t mean they all are. Nj is blessed with a lot of good teachers who put in more work than they are paid for. Yet, for some reason, you only focus on the minority.

    BRT says:
    May 18, 2021 at 10:06 pm
    I still do my job, because I’m not a leech on society.

  132. Juice Box says:

    BRT – I hear ya! We joined the discount club in 2019 as my son’s friends went all the time. Fright night we all went with a big group, it was like I was at the old Meadowlands arena pre-concert tailgate or a Jets game, just too much to be around with kids.

  133. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s the funny thing, you never see the nj headline focusing on the teacher who practically gives their life away to said district. Doesn’t make for good news headlines. No one wants to read that sh!t. They like the negative bs that is practically an anomaly.

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let’s publish the salaries of nj’s highest paid teachers instead, so we can piss off all the people making less than them.

  135. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Nothing like throwing teachers under the bus for some clicks..

    I’m older now, I get it…you have to pay the bills. This type of news is an easy sell.

  136. BRT says:

    Doesn’t matter what job you have, there are going to be leeches. That doesn’t mean they all are. Nj is blessed with a lot of good teachers who put in more work than they are paid for. Yet, for some reason, you only focus on the minority.

    I didn’t say sh1t. You have voices in your head.

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    I’m sorry. I take the attacks on the teaching profession seriously. I find honor in the profession. I have zero respect for a teacher that neglects a child that truly wants to learn. They are the future. If you fail them, you are failing the future. That’s a hell of a burden to live with every year. A shame to any teacher that doesn’t understand that.

  138. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You think it’s over?

    I’m thinking of a really risky move. Selling my entire ark position in all the funds and into coin. Not yet, see how far it can fall, but I like it already at current levels. Might end up being a good long term buy, but it’s risky. Wood keeps buying the hell out of it.

    Juice Box says:
    May 18, 2021 at 9:25 pm
    Crypto Crash On!

    https://www.reuters.com/technology/chinese-financial-payment-bodies-barred-cryptocurrency-business-2021-05-18/

  139. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Read a good article on Forbes that made a very good argument for coin long term.

  140. Fabius Maximus says:

    Keep an eye on the airports. If Donnie jumps a plane, we can expect the hammer is falling.

    New York attorney general adds ‘criminal capacity’ to probe of Trump Organization
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/new-york-attorney-general-trump-organization-criminal-probe/index.html

  141. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – get rich schemes always fail, the crypto kiddies were just destroyed nearly all gains this year wiped in bitcoin alone.

    China”s press release “ disrupting the normal economic and financial order.”

    Translation you don”t get to play in our sandbox.

    Just look at the largest trading platform Bitfinex. They are having to route their banking thru Switzerland now, they are unable to secure normal banking relationships. Coinbase has similar banking problems.

    US regulators may do the same one day, and on that day it would all go to zero.

  142. BRT says:

    I basically owe Pumpkin $8k for signaling the crypto top almost to the day.

  143. Libturd says:

    I was the one who called the top. To the minute. Pump’s just agreed.

  144. dollarbill says:

    The market for Tulips, I mean Bitcoin is cratering.
    Cathie Wood still likes TSLA:
    ARKK Buy TSLA TESLA INC 43,370

    My guess is they don’t use volatility levels to limit position risk at ARKK.

  145. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Juice,

    Isn’t coinbase supported by U.S. regulators? You really think this is the end of crypto/blockchain or a buying opportunity? That’s the big question. Obviously, isn’t coming back soon, but what about the future?

    How many times have we seen Bitcoin or Tesla lose 50% or more, and come back even higher? Can’t ignore that, but is this time different?

  146. Libturd says:

    Crypto is done. Elon Musk should have focused on his electric cars and less on Doge and SNL. As promised, crypto is going to cause a lot of collateral market damage.

    ARKK is one and done.

    TSLA will be in big trouble too.

    Elon Musk is and always has been a fraud. The only other rich guy I can compare him too is Trump.

  147. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lib has been making some great calls. Nice job!!

  148. Libturd says:

    Wasn’t an all time high, but if you take out the noise, it was definitely the highest support level (TA guys know what that is). Since May 10, which was an up day for Bitcoin, it has dropped 33%. Once the market opens and panic sets in (especially from the idiots on Wall Street that just started a bunch of ETF related products). This could easily be down 50% by the close.

    The landscapers are going to have to sell their mowers.

    Libturd says:
    May 10, 2021 at 10:18 am
    What is the safest way to short crypto?

    Libturd says:
    May 10, 2021 at 10:33 am
    Left,

    I may take you up on that options lesson. When the crypto panic starts, it’s going to drop like no other investment ever did before since it’s not backed by anything and nearly completely retail.

    grim says:
    May 10, 2021 at 10:38 am
    Nobody is going to backstop the crypto crash. Fed don’t care, the IBs don’t care. Retail investor is going to learn full force that nobody is protecting them. No circuit breakers, no FDIC, no recourse when exchanges and wallets fail.

  149. BRT says:

    I was the one who called the top. To the minute. Pump’s just agreed.

    Actually he didn’t agree, he just expressed interest in buying Ethereum when it was crossing $4k. The ultimate contrarian indicator. I literally sold within 5 minutes of reading his post out of principle. Lib, I took note when your landscapers were discussing it. You were a few days early.

  150. Grim says:

    Crypto makes CDO^2 look like Treasuries.

    Russian dude invents Shiba Inu coin? Ironic insult to a fake meme coin? Mints a billion dollars in “value” and then donates it?

    Ok, makes sense to me.

  151. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – Nope..No regulators here and no protections. They have no US based Bank accounts. Barclays dropped them and now they are banked by a UK startup ClearBank and some other tiny bank based in Estonia.

    Fact is they have limits too. If you were to go all in you cannot get your money out quickly plus fees are where they make all their money.

    Coinbase fees are quite high. Debit card purchases are charged a 3.99% fee and bank transfers ACH and WIRE are charged a 1.49% fee.

    Look there is lots and lots of hype that US banks might start offering retail the option to buy and sell crypto, but I have yet to see any real firm plans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

  152. Juice Box says:

    SHHITTTT

    Coinbase website has crashed.

    AN ERROR HAS OCCURRED
    Don’t worry, we’ve been notified about the issue and are taking a look. Please try again in a few minutes, or if the problem persists feel free to add a Bug Report. Sorry for the trouble!

    Stock is down about 9.4%…

    https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/coin?qsearchterm=coin

  153. Fast Eddie says:

    Hey O’Biden, where’s my free new green deal electric car?

  154. Libturd says:

    I wonder if anyone is going to do an inverse ARKK ETF?

  155. Libturd says:

    Coinbase in now 1/3rd below it’s IPO price.

  156. Juice Box says:

    re: Shiba Inu

    Lots of hype before the dump in the last month. CNN posted the story Friday last week about the wedding photographers from Westchester who went in $10k last MONTH on Shiba Inu and now were now millionaires on paper something like $10 Million gain in a month!

    Story says they were holding still “some”… MY BET IS MOST. I hope they at least got the new roof for their parents out of it.

    “Advice from Tommy and James
    As for how Tommy and James plan to use their money, they aren’t entirely sure. They have yet to completely cash out their investment, and are holding out for something called ShibaSwap, a decentralized exchange platform.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/14/investing/crypto-shiba-inu-brothers-millionaires/index.html

  157. Phoenix says:

    This and Alexa. Door is open, come on in boys, have a seat.
    Plus Apple doing their thing in China. How long before they do it here as well?

    Amazon’s Ring doorbell camera ‘is effectively building the largest corporate-owned, civilian-installed surveillance network that the US has ever seen,’ it has been claimed.

    The stark warning came from Lauren Bridges, a PhD candidate at University of Pennsylvania, who told The Guardian that one in ten police departments around the country have access to video from the civilian cameras after the company partnered with more than 1,800 local law enforcement agencies.

    A report in the California Law Review claimed that Amazon even assisted and coached law enforcement on how to circumvent legal requirements—such as the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement.

    Ring’s Terms of Service have provisions that allow Ring to ‘access, use, preserve and/or disclose your content to law enforcement authorities, government officials, and/or third parties, if legally required to do so or if we have a good faith belief that such access, use, preservation or disclosure is reasonably necessary.’

    Bridges raises serious concerns that cops are able to request Ring videos from members of the public without a warrant, which she claims is deliberately circumnavigating the Fourth Amendment – the right not to be searched or have items seized without a legal warrant.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9593763/Amazons-Ring-largest-civilian-surveillance-network-seen.html

  158. Phoenix says:

    “Here is an homage to Nom De Plume.”

    No different from a NJ teacher taking their pension and moving somewhere else, not wanting to pay taxes in the same arena they collected them in.

  159. Libturd says:

    I never had an issue with people moving out while collecting their pension. Those are the smart ones. We are the morons for living here and paying for them.

  160. chicagofinance says:

    ticker: KKRA, or better KRAK

    Libturd says:
    May 19, 2021 at 9:58 am
    I wonder if anyone is going to do an inverse ARKK ETF?

  161. Libturd says:

    KRAK would be perfect.

  162. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Based on past 10 years, just another good buying opportunity. Let’s see how low it goes.

    https://twitter.com/charliebilello/status/1394833370299895809?s=10

  163. Libturd says:

    Crypto is already coming back. So many suckers.

  164. Fast Eddie says:

    With Trump out of office, America is now at the mercy of the Commun1st state, with Joe Biden having a long track record of selling out American industry to Chinese investors.

    Well, we already knew the above statement is true but the bigger picture is that China intentionally unleashed the Wuhan virus which I personally thought was a test run (and a wildly successful one) for a bigger attack. We’re sobbing over the proper use of pronouns, gender feelings and cancel culture p.ussies while they’re ramping up on reducing us to an afterthought.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-communist-professor-declares-us-was-defeated-biological-war-china

  165. BRT says:

    Crypto is here to stay. Many garbage coins will go to zero. Those that survive will find their true value, which nobody really knows what that will be. Until then, huge volatility, price explosions and collapses along the way.

  166. Bystander says:

    Huh, Ed..I guess I wil try to follow the logic. If the mighty Orange clown scared China so bad then why did they unleash the virus during his presidency. Also, I guess you are saying that Trump was a weaklibg because he did not fight back on the ‘act of war’?

  167. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    Something will remain. But it’s not going to work if every day, new brands ands ways to mine them keep coming out. This is the definition of instability. Plus, there’s nothing behind them besides wasted electricity and mining rigs.

  168. Libturd says:

    “China intentionally unleashed the Wuhan virus”

    https://tinyurl.com/aradiclizeddemsright

  169. Libturd says:

    BRT,

    You could almost say the same thing about the US Dollar, but we have the largest military in the world (by far) backing it.

  170. chicagofinance says:

    Dedicated to left & phoenix (George Floyd Edition):

    224-pound Russian woman reportedly killed husband with her buttocks

    By Yaron Steinbuch

    A 224-pound Russian woman faces some heavy-duty justice for sitting on her husband and strangling him to death with her massive buttocks during a boozy dispute, a report said.

    Tatyana O. allegedly refused to let Aidar go even as he “begged forgiveness,” East2West News reported.

    Aidar’s daughter saw him pinned face down on the bed and ran to seek help from neighbors in the Russian city Novokuznetsk, according to the news outlet, which cited evidence in the case.

    A female neighbor who arrived reportedly decided the couple were in the midst of a domestic dispute and left.

    Tatyana said she merely wanted to calm her hubby down after the couple had been drinking.

    Aidar died from “asphyxia from blocking the respiratory system” as his face was wedged into the mattress, as Tatyana sat on his neck “using her legs so he could not lift it,” a medical examination found.

    The wife “strangled husband to death with her buttocks after drinking too much alcohol,” according to a local media report cited by East2West.

    During a trial, Tatyana was convicted of causing death by negligence after a murder charge was dropped.

    But the Investigative Committee has announced it is calling for a new murder charge against Tatyana, who had been angry “after drinking heavily.”

    After Aidan stopped showing signs of life, “the accused, frightened, shook him and shouted at him to wake him up.”

  171. Juice Box says:

    BTC – I disagree completely. This is a scam of epic proportions. I am not talking about blockchain technology. I am talking these crypto exchanges.

    I will give you an example from todays action. I watched millions of dollars move of block trades and options on the foreign crypto exchanges that are based in opaque jurisdictions the Seychelles and Cayman islands etc.

    Look at this order book. Tell me where the volume of these million and millions of dollar trades are coming from. 800,000 trades in 24 hours listed in their order book.

    https://www.bybit.com/trade/usdt/BTCUSDT

    Nobody knows if the trades that occur on these platforms are even backed by real money, there is no regulation or audit.

    The Biggest one BINANCE run by Changpeng Zhao moved from China, then to Japan, then to Taiwan, then to Malta and ran from there too and now resides in the Cayman Islands all in the last four years.

    Why do they keep moving? To escape scrutiny and regulation. Our own IRS and DOJ is moving against them now based on illegal accounts of US citizens.

    That should be enough to scare anyone off. But hey us retail investors are safe here right in the USA using Robinhood and Coinbase right?

    How are you safe when the largest trades in the millions of dollars per trade occur on these other exchanges that nobody knows anything about other than a former High Frequency trader like Changpeng Zhao who created the market for it. Just a single 40 bitcoin trade is 1.4 million dollars at current prices, yet we see massive trade volume activity. This is not institutional buyers and investment banks. So where is the money coming from, and is it even real money? I am betting it’s not real at all.

  172. BRT says:

    Lib,

    I think the dollar is here to stay. All the other fiat currencies are equally mismanaged and tend to collapse before ours because of their non-reserve status. They gravitate towards dollars and prop us up. I don’t think the dollar is going anywhere, but it will be continually devalued and continually decline in purchasing power. At least some crypto is designed against that.

    At the end of the day, IMO, it will become another part of the money supply. And I like it for that reason. Whether that supply is fixed or that supply increases at a fixed growth rate, the markets can sort through it. Fiat currencies would be a lot more function if they dedicated themselves to a fixed growth rate via the monetary base. The fed “targets” 2% inflation, but measure inflation like a neanderthal so they fail miserably.

  173. JCer says:

    CCCP is a bunch of liars, in all likelihood the virus was released accidentally in a lab with their shoddy safety practices. CCCP knew something was up and tried to cover it up, we haven’t seen any real evidence this came from the wet market, no evidence of a likely mammalian reservoir, nor any bats having carrying the SARS-Cov2 virus, if it came from transported bats they likely would have been able to identify the people who were importing the infected bats and those people very likely would have been the earliest carriers of COVID. The bats in question are from over a thousand miles south of Wuhan. Whether the virus was modified is another question entirely but one that is not easy to discern. It’s quite possible they were studying bat pathogens and a researcher was infected and we do have the employee from the Wuhan lab who was literally scrubbed from the internet.

    What they did afterwards was the real crime, they knew what they were dealing with yet allowed travelers to continue to go abroad while locking down inside China, they purposely sent the virus abroad because if China was going to suffer so was the world, then they horded all of the PPE and supplies. They used this thing to their advantage no matter how it was released.

  174. Libturd says:

    “dedicated themselves to a fixed growth rate via the monetary base. The fed “targets” 2% inflation, but measure inflation like a neanderthal so they fail miserably.”

    Yes!

  175. Libturd says:

    JCer,

    That sure is a pessimistic view. You need to get off the boards for a while and get some fresh air.

  176. Libturd says:

    Did you watch Sputnik?

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  178. leftwing says:

    “I wonder if anyone is going to do an inverse ARKK ETF?”

    Put spreads.

    Tossed some 5/21 on a week or so ago when I became aware of options on ARKK, just under a buck she’s just shy of 2.50 now. 105 by 100s.

    Probably close half shortly, may let the other half ride, if ARKK busts 100 on friday it would be a five bagger……

  179. Fast Eddie says:

    If the mighty Orange clown scared China so bad then why did they unleash the virus during his presidency.

    Because Trump was a threat and actually was doing what he claimed – sanctions against China, tariffs, intellectual property theft, adjusting Hong Kong’s status as a separate trade entity, terminated US membership with the WHO, etc. Not just words, actions. So, China responded. Now, the O’Biden imbecile will appease them and back down.

  180. JCer says:

    Eddie, you are actually right about that, for all of Trump’s issues he frightened much of the world’s leadership(IMHO a good thing). He was unpredictable and generally unconcerned with the consequences of the actions he was taking. China wanted him gone, that much was obvious, the tariffs were put in place and the Chinese actually had to devalue their currency in order to maintain orders so in essence they taking fewer dollars for the same goods. If we don’t buy the goods who does? Nobody needs all the garbage they are producing, if Trump were smart he would have made nice with the EU/UK and then we really could have dried up the market for Chinese goods. More important than basic trade is ensure the Chinese don’t get their hands on our Technology, it’s fine to have them produce trinkets it’s a totally different story with complex manufacturing. We need to move factories back even if they are totally automated and create 0 jobs.

  181. leftwing says:

    “Here is an homage to Nom De Plume.”

    PR. 4% taxes. Trending among $10m+ pa earners….

  182. Fast Eddie says:

    JCer,

    You get flack when over the target. Trump was a cowboy, a bit off the rails but that’s what was needed. He had the vision and the f.ucking left hates him for it. It proves their ideas wrong. Since O’Biden took office, we’re back in the WHO, China is back to sipping a drink in the comfortable chair, our energy independence vanished, inflation is rampant, Hamas decided to unleash chaos… even Iran is smiling. All is well while the old goat does a photo op in a $72,000 electric F-150 whose batteries are made in… China. Way to tell the middle class that you can’t afford this vehicle. Btw, let’s ask India and China how they’re doing on their climate-saving measures. Lol!

  183. Bystander says:

    Projection is strong with the Orange clown. The WHO gets a measly 450m from US. It was a poltical stunt to try to assign blame and bolster re-election cause. How’s his great China deal doing? Have you checked if they will meet thier targets? News flash…they won’t come close and we are still practicing soc&*lism, to the tunes of billions, for corporate farming because of his awful deal. He was a laughing stock of world politics. No one was scared of him. Guy who says “gee, who knew health care could be so complex?” is suddenly the master expert architect of great world change. One term loser..

  184. Bystander says:

    So, the hyprocrite Rs spent 4 years and billions investigating (cough, smearing) Hillary for embassy attack, where she had no blame, that killed 4 Americans..yet want no investigation of the attack on our Capitol where 5 people died and was orchestrated by sitting President. Sure, left is the crazy party. P%ssy hats are the problem..obviously

  185. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Liberals complaining about bullshlt investigations. Lol.

    Phoniest thing I’ve seen since BLM sponsored a stop Asian hate event.

  186. libturd says:

    Forget the 5. His complete and total mishandling of the pandemic, and his choice to go on vacation while the rest of the world was gearing up for the largest crisis the world has witnessed since World War II, likely killed hundreds of thousands. His reasoning? He didn’t want the pandemic screwing up his reelection chances.

    He was and probably always will be remembered as the worst president this country ever had. And his party is doubling down on his populism instead of trying to separate from it. This will end terribly for the Rs and pretty poorly for the Ds too, who will be running the show completely unchecked.

  187. Fast Eddie says:

    CNN is glorious… it’s the January 6th erect1on investigation all day, every day. Either that or Trump is UNDER INVESTIGATION!!! Lol. They shudder at the thought of highlighting the disaster that is the current administration.

  188. BRT says:

    The asians held a “stop racism against Asians” march in Princeton last month. They continually referenced assaults and crimes against them. Ironically, they stood right in front of the university that pretty much openly discriminates against them and said nothing about that.

  189. Fast Eddie says:

    His complete and total mishandling of the pandemic…

    From an unknown to a vaccine delivered in a matter of months by Operation Warp Speed in epic time under clear leadership. Compare that to the current mess called the O’Biden presidency who can’t even relay a message on who should and shouldn’t wear a face diaper. It’s stunning how inept this administration is. He got a lot done and the left is STILL livid because it magnifies their f.ucking failures.

  190. leftwing says:

    “…while the rest of the world was gearing up for the largest crisis the world has witnessed since World War II, likely killed hundreds of thousands…”

    A little overly dramatic, Lib, as there are a few more crises/events that were ‘larger’ and I’d question your conjured facts unless you want to maintain over half of US COVID deaths were directly attributable to the Orange Clown…

    “The WHO gets a measly 450m from US.”

    If it’s such a small amount and the WHO is so valuable let’s institute a special fee exclusively among liberal wage earners to fund it….fact is, WHO is miserable at its primary mission – world health and science – and highly politicized. Just stop funding it. With my tax dollars at least.

  191. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Yeah. That’s an odd juxtaposition. There is an obsession with victim hood of the left no matter how far it stretches credulity. The show up in Escalades and complain about oppression. It really ramped up with Obama

  192. Libturd says:

    Believe what you want Gary. I can’t change that. Trump will be remembered for his two greatest feats.

    Being asleep at the wheel in January, February and March while the rest of the world was gearing up for the crisis of our lifetime.

    and of course, this.

    https://tinyurl.com/aradiclizeddemsright

    He joins some pretty good single-term company in there were no WMD Bush and Jimmy Carter, who couldn’t get anything right (except longevity, apparently). I give him credit for milking his pension. Dude is 96!

  193. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Murphy killed employment and vast numbers of the infirm but since he stuck to collectivism he’s beloved by the left.

    Red states empowered individuals and had superior outcomes in every category and the leftists claim they’re disasters.

    Ah, ok.

  194. No One says:

    BRT,
    As if the people committing violence against Asians are hanging out in Princeton, waiting to learn why they shouldn’t rob statistically easier and more rewarding targets. Maybe they should take their bullhorns to the ghettos where they’d be a bit closer to the victimizers. I notice the Asian racial activists like to promote “allyship” with other various “oppressed” races, and they go out of their way to not mention which races tend to be the ones committing violence against Asians, unless it’s a white person when those activists will broadcast it everywhere. My Asian SIL thinks she was saved from a possible carjacking in an Atlanta Costco parking lot by a policeman who pulled up just in time and my niece was traumatized in a NYC subway station by a guy beating up a woman (girlfriend most likely) who then threatened my niece. She’s so woke that she’s doubly traumatized, first that she’s now scared of using NYC public transport because people yelling and acting up now upsets her, and secondly she probably feels self-hatred for fearing guys of a certain race and look like her assaulter.
    The young Asian race activists with advanced degrees can explain how it’s white people’s fault that oppressed races target Asians with violence. Then they call their first generation immigrant parents who paid for their degree racist for not understanding this woke theory.

    Anyway, my woke Asian traumatized niece says now she cannot breathe when she sees a certain kind of gentleman at night in NYC, so now she wants her mom to pay for a specialty Asian psychologist who specializes in Asian trauma. My wife, her aunt, is telling her 1) yes, NYC is more dangerous because it has a mayor who told the police to stop policing, so you should be more careful and be smart about when, where, and with whom you go out and 2) get a grip – all that happened is a black guy yelled at you in an empty subway station and you ran away. People have lived through a lot worse.
    Yesterday my niece says she will decide which NYC mayoral candidate to vote for based on their favorite bagel order. That should take a bite out of crime.

  195. Ez says:

    4:00 the thing is when you start pitting states against each other you have already lost.

  196. JCer says:

    Eddie, the only thing we have to know about his orangeness was his trusted advisor Peter Navarro. Navarro has been right way more often than he has been wrong, especially with respect to China, he was even right about the pandemic very early on. It was stupid Trump in his desire to make a deal with the Chinese, the WHO and our health agencies for believing the lies being peddled. I read some of his pieces about China in the early 2000’s and he was right, if Washington Politicians had listened to people like him and Gordon Chang, instead of lining their pockets we would be in a much safer place. Economists have thrown a lot stones at him but they are the “morons”, they are the same people who think Germany’s manufacturing economy is a 19th century vestige rather than what the US should aspire to build.

  197. SmallGovConservative says:

    Lib and By showing their true colors. Both have claimed at one point or another ( I think) to be middle-of-the-roaders and independent thinkers, but any mention of T and they immediately become the Dem apologists that they really are — unconcerned with the Dem party’s radical lurch to the left and growing antisemit1sm, and happy to be governed by Pelosi, Harris, AOC and the like. If a Dem had achieved what T achieved you most certainly would’ve seen the following…
    – Nobel Peace price #1 for the Abraham Accords
    – Nobel #2 for Operation Warp Speed
    – CNN/NYT man-of-the-year for tax reform that actually raised taxes on the wealthy via SALT cap
    – NAACP man-of-the-year award for achieving lowest ever african american unemployment
    – NOW man-of-the-year award for achieving lowest ever female unemployment
    – PBA man-of-the-year for securing the southern border and making us all safer

    I could go on, but why bother…

  198. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    The only thing guaranteed with collectivism is that everyone will be miserable. Yet the left keeps trying it.

  199. Bystander says:

    Sorry Ed..vaccine was released after Biden was elected so thank you President Biden. That is how fool’s logic work if you select checklists based on when R entered and D left. Listened to that crap for 4 years – like his magic Orange clown makeup healed the hurting masses from Obama’s terrible Dow 20K and 4.2% unemployment.

    Left,

    How about we cover it by taking less than 1% from Dumpy’s 46B farmer bailout?

  200. SmallGovConservative says:

    Bystander says:
    May 19, 2021 at 4:17 pm
    “vaccine was released after Biden was elected so thank you President Biden…”

    You give SlowJoe credit for the 3000+ rockets fired into Israel too, right?

  201. Phoenix says:

    “A —– County detective supervisor was commended Monday for his efforts to save a “distraught” former victim having a mental health crisis last month.

    The woman contacted Detective Supervisor ——– on April 23 and told him that she had just swallowed pills intending to take her own life, Acting —— County Prosecutor—— said in a joint release.

    —– calmed the woman down over the phone and asked her questions to determine her location for assistance, authorities said.

    ——-’s actions helped to dispatch the appropriate agency in a timely manner and prevent what could’ve been a deadly tragedy.”

    What doesn’t make the papers: Everyone else just plain doing their jobs.

    Your mechanic doesn’t get a “hero” report in the paper when he notices the bubble on the sidewall of your tire that could cause an accident.

    The pilot who does a walk around and notices that covers were left on the pitot tubes which would have caused a plane to crash killing hundreds.

    The electrician that walks into your house and finds the wire about to start a fire.

    The financial guy who tells you to change your stock allowances that would have made you go bankrupt and kill yourself.

    Yuck…

  202. Bystander says:

    SmallGov,

    My mother was born in Ireland and my grandfather fought in IRA in 1920s. They were labeled terrorists on their own soil for generations. The English used their military might to kill and decimate Ireland. The US government supported the English govt time and time again. Reagan was nice and cozy with that c&nt Thatcher…but I don’t blame Reagan for Ireland’s horrible 80s period. The stuff with Israel and Palestine has been going on for decades and no president is to blame, nor will they stop it. That is what fools believe, so perhaps stop thinking like a fool.

  203. leftwing says:

    “How about we cover it by taking less than 1% from Dumpy’s 46B farmer bailout?”

    I’ve turned into a Nati0nalist, for lack of a better term….

    When you’re young, single, and have the best job by far than any of your peers it’s cool to pick up the bar tab frequently.

    We as a nation are middle aged, overworked, underpaid, saddled with huge mortgage, looking at massive unfunded obligations for our kids, and have allowed our skill set to become less competitive clouding our personal future.

    Time to stop picking up everyone else’s tabs…in fact, time for them to recipr0cate.

    Tangentially, you guys know how I feel about the Orange Clown. However, the above sentiment was expressed by him directly with respect to NAT0 and other international obligations. Continue to think 2016 was about a cu1t of Orange at your own risk…it was about a nati0nalism/populism that just happened to be esp0used by him and no one else…

  204. Bystander says:

    Left,

    I agreed with Ron Paul’s sentiment years ago and I agree today so yes, time to stop backstopping the world with military intervention So, we can stop funding Israel? Oh wait a D is in office so that is proof of anti-semitism. You can’t have it with ways.

  205. Phoenix says:

    “Time to stop picking up everyone else’s tabs…in fact, time for them to recipr0cate.”

    Something I think Trump was trying to do.

    Now back to square one on this.

  206. 3b says:

    Bystander: Same with my Granduncles. The British always got a pass over here when it came to the troubles in the north of Ireland. And no paper was worse than The NY Times, in never reporting fairly or accurately as to what was going on over there.

  207. leftwing, pissed at these filters says:

    [broken in pieces to clear these maddening filters]

    “Left, I agreed with Ron Paul’s sentiment years ago and I agree today so yes, time to stop backstopping the world with military intervention So, we can stop funding Israel? Oh wait a D is in office so that is proof of anti-semitism. You can’t have it with ways.”

    JFC, can I actually answer the question you pose to me before you provide an answer on my behalf and then criticize me for something I didn’t say?

    Israel is a good if minor example. Strongly positive balance of payments. Reasonable budget deficit (excluding COVID year). We phased out economic aid middle of last decade. Military aid only runs $2-3B annually but, sure, for consistency phase that out. Let them float some bonds and pay for their materiel. No reason for us to float our bonds and pay for their materiel.

  208. leftwing, still pissed at these filters says:

    fcuk it…..

    Bigger fish to fry on the Continent.

    And the biggest would be ring-fencing ourselves economically….

    We’ve been running around for months straight on a never ending bender….time to s0ber up, look inward, and focus on our family.

    DJT started down this path with tariffs and NAT0, but he is such an insecure assh0le he needs to not just win his point but pound his c0unterparty into submission and publicly embarrass them…anyone else except him but with his views, we’d be halfway there…..

  209. BRT says:

    left, while Trump didn’t pull it off, he was the only person on both sides of the aisle who was even willing to suggest tariffs. He normalized the view in a large portion of America. Had we not elected him, no one would even be discussing the issue, just like 1996 to 2016.

  210. leftwing says:

    BRT agree…goes back to my counterpoint that populism is the way forward for R, but ideally without DJT…I think he has shown the Party it can not only move to a populist view unharmed, but can do so picking up votes and votes that may be more traditionally D.

  211. BRT says:

    Trump also gave Republican drones an option to actually be against wars. That was a step in the right direction.

  212. Phoenix says:

    Any opinion on getting EZ pass from different state?

  213. Ez says:

    There’s no cutting off Israel as long as American Jews have anything
    to say about it. And they do.

  214. Ez says:

    And please don’t expect most Jews to be objective about Israel.
    It’s the homeland and most of us love it dearly.

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