Sorry, sold out.

From Bloomberg:

Suburban NYC Housing Frenzy Slows With Buyers Showing Fatigue

Contracts to buy suburban New York homes have scaled back from their frenzied pace at the height of the pandemic.

That doesn’t mean buyers have lost interest in acquiring spacious abodes — they’re just not finding much on the market. And they’re getting tired of fighting off competitors for what little there is.

“Losing your fifth bidding war on a property is discouraging,” said Jonathan Miller, president of appraiser Miller Samuel Inc. “Part of this is consumers being fatigued with the process, and having other options in life these days, like vacations and travel.”

As Covid restrictions ease and more workers start plotting a return to the office, suburban sales are still rising at a clip that would please the owner of any real estate brokerage. But annual increases in signed deals are more measured than they’d been for much of the past year.

In Long Island, contracts to buy single-family homes were up 14% in June from a year earlier, according to a report Friday by Miller Samuel and Douglas Elliman Real Estate. That’s down from May and April, when deals soared 160% from the corresponding months in 2020.

Westchester County saw 20% more contracts last month than in June 2020. But in May, the annual increase was 81%. In Greenwich, Connecticut, June’s 50% jump in contracts was the smallest year-over-year gain in data going back to last July.

“You know what happened? We ran out of inventory,” said Scott Durkin, president of Douglas Elliman.

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85 Responses to Sorry, sold out.

  1. Hold my beer says:

    First y’all

  2. grim says:

    Nice jobs number, +850k. May revised up slightly +24k. Had the lowest read on the jobless claims number in the post-pandemic era on Thursday.

  3. grim says:

    The new hall of gems and minerals at American Museum of Natural History is absolutely spectacular. Went yesterday morning. The in/out of NYC was incredibly quick and easy on this holiday weekend.

  4. Faster Eddie says:

    850K – nice number. Thank you to Red States and their Governors for ending the stay home stimmy checks! And good thing the Trump tax cuts and tariffs are still in place, too.

  5. Fastest Eddie says:

    Grim, did you have to get in and out of Manhattan like Snake Plitkin?

  6. 3b says:

    Grim: Good report, but did think the participation rate and hourly wages was low. Also the quality of jobs created is questionable as centers mainly at restaurants, hotels and retailers.

  7. grim says:

    Yeah – but we all expected food/hospitality to be the big bounce back as soon as things started opening. Not sure that’s much of a surprise.

    Was hoping to actually see a bigger pop in the unemployment rate, but driven by an increase in participation – we didn’t really see that.

  8. Libturd says:

    As with Trump’s great economy, all of the job growth is at the low end. Can’t think of a single retailer that does not have a help wanted sign in the window. I am not surprised either. Nearly every entry level worker I know is working OFF the books. I don’t blame them. All of this unemployment and free cash is too hard to give up.

    Though I should probably be to blame. I’ve been negotiating so much stuff in cash lately that I’m not even going for any of the new credit card bonuses which are the best I’ve ever seen.

    Grim, you probably have the card already, but for those that don’t and plan to travel a lot, the United Quest Business card is giving away the farm.

  9. grim says:

    I don’t see a quest business card, I’ve been hunting for something to boost my United mileage.

    There is a business with 150k bonus that’s easy enough for me to hit, but the perks on the Quest are good.

  10. Libturd says:

    These two charts are quite telling.

    As you all know, I couldn’t stand Trump. But I do give him credit for not being bought. And if anyone wants to guess how we ended up with Biden/Harris. The answer is right here.

    If the links don’t work, during Trump’s term, GS had a negative return while the major indexes returned 30-80%.

    During Biden’s term (so far) GS has returned over three times what the major indexes have returned. In whole numbers, GS is already up 70% versus a 20% return in the major indexes.

    “REHOBOTH BEACH, Del. (AP) — President-elect Joe Biden’s choice to be treasury secretary, Janet Yellen, collected more than $7 million in speaking fees over the past two years from major financial firms and tech giants including Citigroup, Goldman Sachs and Google, according to disclosure forms filed as part of her nomination.

    Yellen’s was among three financial disclosures turned in by Biden transition officials that were made public on Thursday by the Office of Government Ethics. In a separate filing, Yellen listed firms and banks where she had received speaking fees and said she intended to “seek written authorization” from ethics officials to “participate personally and substantially” in matters involving them.

    Yellen was the Federal Reserve chair from 2014 to 2018. Her term was not renewed by President Donald Trump. She took in the speaking fees in 2019 and 2020.”

    Never forget who runs our country.

  11. Libturd says:

    Sorry Grim, the business card is called the Explorer. The personal card is called Quest.

  12. Captain Cheapo returns says:

    Mileage alone is worth $3,000. $99 annual fee is made up easy with free bags and club passes. It’s essentially 8% back on $25K spent in 6 months. Rare but valuable rental car coverage is included too if you don’t have a card that carries it.

    Most of you guys probably don’t realize it, but many cards now carry very good cell phone protection plans. Stop paying Apple and others $10 a month per phone. Just pay your bill with one of these cards and if you have 4 phones like my family does, that is a quick $500/yr.

  13. Bystander says:

    Watch it all crumble in Sept. Restaurants will shed the 25/hr dishwasher, server and cook when business cuts in half. Dumpy did ja&ckshit and Biden will do nothing as well. Money pumping is all that matters. The media loves their superlatives though. Spend, spend, are all rich. Don’t ask questions. Don’t look under the hood. Homes sales slowed because of ‘inventory’, not insane pricing. “My p*nis was too big so she would not have s*x with me.” That is always the big lie in real estate industry. Nothing is ever fundamentally wrong.

  14. No One says:

    I happen to have just formed a new LLC, S-corp in FL. I already use the personal United Credit Card. What is the upside to using the corporate card besides the free 150,000 miles? I expect to do a lot of flying between Newark and Sarasota or Tampa for the foreseeable future. I actually paid cash at the end of 2019 to buy Gold Status with United, just in time to do very little flying in 2020, but admirably they allowed the status to carry over into 2021. I flew my family back and forth many times between NJ and FL over the past 8 months, drawing down my United miles balance from over 300k to about 50k.

  15. Fast Eddie says:

    Who coulda knowed that a big pen1s would affect the real estate industry? ;)

  16. grim says:

    My guess is these points cards with big bonuses are tailored towards LLC partners with enough monthly spend to be able to skim off some personal benefit in a way that avoids taxes. Don’t believe points perks like this represent reportable income.

  17. Libturd says:

    No One. No upside besides the significantly better mileage offer.

    Platinum Amex is doing a pretty amazing offer on their personal card if the flying club rooms interest you. They used to back in the day of long security longs. Now that I have that PRE-TSA, I don’t go to the airport early unless I have checked bags, which is rare.

  18. No One says:

    I typically only use the airport lounges when I’m doing international business flights. Seems like that’s the main time I end up with time to kill at an airport. My company offers some worldwide network of lounges via some Amex deal. Domestically they’re generally useless unless there’s a multi-hour flight delay, but often I’d be better off going to a restaurant/bar in the airport and putting that on the corp card versus getting cooped up in a 2nd rate lounge. United’s Shanghai Pudong lounge is pretty good, but I’d get access to that anyway assuming I was flying Business class.

    I’m curious to find out how soon and how much my business travel requests start back up.

  19. Grim says:

    Lounges always been an exception case for me. I don’t generally plan my travel in ways that leave me with big blocks of time to kill in airports.

    That leaves unavoidable connection times flying internationally, or the occasional long flight delay. Maybe waiting for the red eye back east out of San Fran.

    But like Lib says, it’s just as easy to park at a nice bar and kill some time. Lounges arent that much better. Shitty snacks and a minimal bar.

    In 15 years of high frequency travel, I’ve only ever showered at a lounge once. That was flying back from Mumbai after a full day of meetings and travel. Took the opportunity to grab a quick shower and change into comfortable clothes.

    That said. I’d usually just change in the airport family restroom anyway. No way I’d do an overnight in business casual.

    I’d just as soon walk around the airport for an hour or two.

  20. Grim says:

    Booked up a family trip in October. Heading to the islands with miles. Booked 4 first class tickets on American. Was 150k miles – the paid ticket price was $3,200. Thought it was too good to pass up. I’ve never seen a redemption this low.

    I love being the asshole with annoying kids up front. My 2 year old will be sitting next to my 9 year old. We will be across the aisle sipping on a cocktail. Lol.

    Very cool that United and American extended my status into 2021. I don’t see business travel returning all that quickly.

  21. No One says:

    Your mention of a lounge in India reminds me of a really bad experience at the airport there. It was either Mumbai or Delhi Intl airport. I was in meetings in the morning and my flight was leaving in the late afternoon or evening sometime, so I planned it so that I checked out of my hotel, went to the meetings/conference till noon, and then figured I would type up notes and relax in the United lounge at the airport for the rest of the day until my flight.

    I show up to the airport at about noon, my car leaves me at the front of the airport, and I see that all the entrances have security gates. The airport security asks to see my ticket and refuses to let me in until two hours before my flight. That stinks. So ask where is the airport hotel, thinking I can get a room or hang out there. There is no adjacent airport hotel, I learn. It’s hot, I’m stranded, and I don’t have any contact or plan. Eventually some guy on a 3-wheeler tuk tuk pulls up, pitching me on some hotel. This is back in blackberry days, no google maps showing me what and where stuff is. I agree, hoping it’s not a total scam or kidnapping. Of course the hotel sucks and I have to negotiate to get a reasonable price. At least they had AC, bottled water and a tiny shower/toilet combo. So I managed to take a nap, do some reading, pop another Immodium, and take a shower before finally getting to the airport at the allowable time window. I’ll bet the local dives were making good money scooping up people stranded outside of the airport.

    What’s nice about India is that as long as you pay the big bucks in top hotels, everything is super premium and fancy. But as soon as you step out of that luxury bubble, you step into crap.

  22. JCer says:

    Most airport lounges are crap, especially those for domestic airlines, it’s basically airplane food and drinks in a rundown waiting area. Internationally though some are pretty good, I have the chase sapphire which costs you like $550 a year now but I think there is a $300 travel credit and a bunch of other stuff plus 3x points on travel and dining and 1.5 cent per point redemption on travel so it’s a pretty good deal for $250 a year and it used to be $150. So it comes with priority pass which is all but useless at EWR and close to useless at JFK. But I used it in Rome and the lounge was pretty good, lots of space, hot food made to order, wine, beer and liquor drinks, espresso. I also used it in London where I was able to get a credit at a bar in the airport, so that was a good perk. It does come in handy when there is a flight delay, the biggest problem with these things is the crowding, half the time they’ll either be at capacity or not have any seats.

  23. Grim says:

    United card comped me a $75 airport bar tab in EWR pre-covid..

    Went to pay on the iPad – said surprise and delight – no charge.

  24. leftwing says:

    “…Stop paying Apple and others $10 a month per phone for insurance…my family [saved] a quick $500/yr.”

    Mentioned yesterday I have a NIB four year old Samsung9 in my closet…got it cheap, not free, but took it because we used insurance a couple times when the kids fcuked up their phones…the replacement phones are not new, just rehabs that you could go online and buy equally as cheap.

    Figured rather than doing either of the above I would take the second phone at a couple hundred bucks and use it as ‘insurance’ instead….first kid to break his phone would get that as a replacement…

    Not only was it cheaper but it had a great unintended consequence….neither kid wanted the Samsung as a replacement for their iphone so they took such good care of their phones they didn’t need to be replaced at all lol.

  25. No One says:

    Priority Pass lounges are normally pretty second rate. But back in 2019 I noticed people running something of a scam out of the Portland airport which I went through twice that year. There’s some gourmet store in that airport that will let you buy up to something like $35 of their goods and yet it shows up as a lounge stay. My colleagues and I were waiting for a flight at their adjoining tables eating some fancy ice cream sandwiches when we noticed a few ladies rolling their bags up, buying a little grocery bag of fancy shit like truffle salt, olive oil, facial cleansers, etc, then swiping their pass and rolling out to go home. Like a mini-free shopping spree on the way home from their trips paid by their company. Seems like it was a well-known loophole.

  26. No One says:

    All I got was a $20 breakfast from United at the airport.
    What I noticed is that after really bad delays or cancelled flights, especially if I send a bad review, United tries to do something nice. Like right after having a cancellation and 24 hour delay, they upgrade me on my next flight. Or after a long delay they gave me the free breakfast on the next trip. I think immediately after I paid out of pocket for the gold status upgrade, they put me in a first class upgrade (ok it was a half empty flight to Ohio or somewhere like that, and first class didn’t get me much benefit).
    I’m tempted to just give terrible reviews every three trips or so to try to get some bonus treatment, but not so often that their AI classifies me as perpetually dissatisfied and ignores it.

  27. Grim says:

    I’ve noticed United providing perks like that for personal flights.

  28. JCer says:

    In the US second rate is generous some of those “priority pass” lounges look like they belong in a bus station. They do have credits in some airports where they do not have a lounge. In Europe for the most part their lounges were decent and it gets you into many of Lufthansa’s lounges which are ok. It’s essentially free so it’s not like the United Club where you are paying $500 a year to access them.

    United cares nothing about disgruntled passengers, I’ve given them plenty of unfavorable reviews over the years and they’ve never done anything for me. The only airline worse is Alitalia, the only recommendation I have is do not fly them, the planes are ancient, the staff literally doesn’t give a sh*t, and they operate like it’s 1960, I’m pretty sure I flew them from Milan when I went skiing and the process of checking the skis was like something from 1960, carbon paper a typewriter, measuring tapes, carrying skis all around an airport and no less than 3 people. First go to counter they measure the skis give you some kind of a slip, then take that to cashier somewhere to process the payment, than take it to a baggage area where they actually take the equipment and tag the bags. I’m a glutton for low airfare so I flew them again and I think the issue I had was with a child seat where delta allowed it on the way there but they were insisting it needed an EU number on it even though it had the big FAA sticker. I also think at one point a fist fight broke out on one of these flights between italians. I’m pretty sure my family of 4 took a trip to Italy and the airfare was less than $1300 so some amount of suffering is warranted I guess.

  29. No One says:

    I only flew Alitalia once. A long wait and chaos at the gate, followed by a cabin that was old and really sparse. The upside of their thin seats was more space underneath.

  30. grim says:

    Last time in India flew some local airline for a few hops, Mumbai, Chennai, Hyderabad. Pretty sure it was built in the 70s. Hell, last time I flew Delta it wasn’t much better.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Manhattan real estate prices reached an all-time high in the second quarter, as buyers returned to the city and boosted demand for the largest, most expensive apartments, according to new reports.

    The median resale price for Manhattan apartments hit $999,000 in the second quarter — the highest on record, according to a report from Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel. Average sale prices rose 12% in the quarter, topping $1.9 million.

  32. No One says:

    My favorite domestic Indian flights was on the defunct Kingfisher Air. Run by an alcoholic drinks mogul who used the airline to get around a ban on drinks advertising, he personally selected the stewardesses for looks. He was the star of the pre-flight video like an Indian Hefner. But on a short domestic flight, what’s the point of trying to be fancy?

  33. Phoenix says:

    Flying today. This is what it’s like. Poor guy can’t reason with these women.

  34. KevinBlock says:

    Similar there is something?

  35. Phoenix says:

    That’s a decent salary. Beats working as a DoorDash driver. I think it’s about time I step up my game and ask for a raise….

    “Anti-racist author DOUBLES speaking fees as America goes woke: ‘White fragility’ writer Robin DiAngelo charges an average of $14,000 per speech and makes ‘$728K a year’
    Robin DiAngelo, an anti-racist author who wrote a NYT bestseller ‘White Fragility,’ makes an estimated $728,000 a year from speaking engagements
    On average, she said she makes $14,000 per speaking event, as of August 2020
    On her website, DiAngelo defended her speaking fees, saying her fees are ‘well within the standard range for a best-selling author who is in high demand’
    Anti-racism books and training have become a booming industry over the last year.”

  36. leftwing says:

    “Anti-racism books and training have become a booming industry over the last year.”

    Anti-racism has become a booming industry over the last year.

    There, fixed that for you.

  37. leftwing says:

    Alitalia, lol.

    So the family and I and everyone else boarded, ready to take off from Milan to London. Luggage done, foodtruck pulling away. I’m in my usual window seat. Plane rocks hard.

    The big panel foodtruck cut the turn around the wing too tight. Wing pierces truck, three foot or so gouge in the truck panel.

    Over the next ten minutes a crowd of about a dozen congregate under the wing arguing including the pilots and Alitalia personnel. I realize they are all on the same team, and they are arguing eachother not about the truck but whether the plane will take off.

    Grabbed the family and we’re gone. Rebooked with BA for the next day.

    Still love Italy and the Italians though.

  38. leftwing says:

    Third weekend of four that we’re smoking….not sure if my liver can handle it.

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Anyone been to Charleston?

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s crazy…728k to peddle bs. Tell me daughter at least once a week, “life is not fair, so don’t expect it to be.” Trying to prepare her so she isn’t let down like I was. I was so let down, I embraced social!sm in the name of fairness. Lol

  41. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Beijing’s Century of Dodging Danger Is No Guarantee of Stability
    The Chinese Communist Party isn’t at imminent risk of collapse, but challenges are mounting.

  42. Phoenix says:

    How much you giving Pumps?

  43. Phoenix says:

    Enjoying the possibility of a destabilizing nation that is armed with nuclear weapons sounds like a good thing to you?

    Is Wayne far enough away that it won’t be affected by a direct hit on NYC?

  44. BRT says:

    This is a country that didn’t bat an eye when they starved 100 million of their own people. The instant they marched for democracy, they got rolled over in tanks. They basically just ran a coup on Hong Kong without any push back from the world. They openly declare their plans to take Taiwan. I’m sure they are fine.

  45. grim says:

    Is Wayne far enough away that it won’t be affected by a direct hit on NYC

    Look at the bright side, maybe we’ll see the NIKE ICBM interceptor missile battery reinstalled on Rt 23 and radar station installed on the hill overlooking NYC at Alps/Ratzer Rd.

    Something so … Missile Command … about nuclear tipped ICBM interceptors.

  46. Phoenix says:

    And just when I thought there was no such thing as true love. Clearly I am mistaken.

  47. Phoenix says:

    Have to say the comments on that one were really funny. And the judges name, Idiart.

    Some things just write themselves.

    “Gives new meaning to the old saying: “F the Police.”

    Where’s the usual DM headline writer? “Tina Gonzalez looks radiant as she shows off her stunning toned posterior while sporting a crotchless jumpsuit on cellblock six!”

  48. Hi, all is going nicely here and ofcourse every one
    is sharing data, that’s really good, keep up writing.

  49. Bystander says:

    Greetings from Bristol RI, oldest 4th of July celebration in country. Very festive here. Like I said, this is summer of ‘wait and see’ cancellations. I waited on Monday and placed popped up for 190 night with garden and harbor view. Nicely equipped apt for 4 . Quaint town. Don’t pay these greedy morons $800 / night. Lots of folks booking in advance then canceling. Surprised you can do it 7 days in advance with no penalties. Also Larry Summers says home prices are ‘scary’. We all know it except one.

  50. Phoenix says:

    More than 300 residents have been ordered to evacuate a condominium building in North Miami Beach just five miles from the site of last week’s deadly Surfside collapse, after officials found it had been declared unsafe six months ago.

    South Florida municipalities had ordered a review of all high-rise residential buildings over 40 years old in the aftermath of the collapse of Champlain Towers South, which has left at least 22 dead and 126 missing.

    Buildings in Miami-Dade county are supposed to be recertified after 40 years, but when officials looked into the 50-year-old Crestview Towers in North Miami Beach they realized it had not undergone the required process, City Manager Arthur H. Sorey III told CNN.

  51. Phoenix says:

    “When officials made inquiries, the building manager turned in a report Friday which was dated January 11, 2021, which stated the 156-unit Crestview Towers is ‘not structurally nor electrically safe for continued occupancy.”

    Haha. So when was your fellow American, the flag waiver, going to tell you your building was unsafe when he was enjoying pocketing your rent checks?

    What about the “American” insurer, that refused to pay, and the “American” civil justice system, that did nothing to make them pay?

    Or the “American” car dealers, who rip you off with un-needed services, and when a camera crew comes to confront them, are told that they have to leave as it is a private business, why do our laws protect them and not the consumer?

    Why can’t “America,” with more lawyers per capita on the entire earth, prosecute even one telemarketer?

    America truly is a “shi ttt hole country.” Go wave your flag now.

  52. 3b says:

    Bystander: Enjoy your trip. As more housing prices being scary, of course they are and more and more are starting to call it what it is a massive bubble.

  53. Bystander says:


    Jokes on them. It was the Moops.


    Cheers. Happy 4th all

  54. Juice Box says:

    Jeeze all my comments going to oblivion.

    re: Grim Post earlier, this is the coolest cold war stop in Golden Gate Park.

  55. joyce says:


    Bystander says:
    July 3, 2021 at 10:32 am

    Jokes on them. It was the Moops

  56. Phoenix says:

    Pumpy on working from home

  57. Phoenix says:

    Tearing it down or building a new one?

  58. 3b says:

    Phoenix Nothing is going to stop WFH.

  59. Phoenix says:

    Nothing is going to stop pumpy from screaming about it.

  60. 3b says:

    Phoenix:Well that’s for sure.

  61. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Comedy hour.

    “Target says it’s closing all six of its San Francisco stores early because of crime specifically thefts and shoplifting.”

  62. leftwing says:

    “Holiday meltdown”

    Anyone that wants to have an institutional racism or ‘genderism’ discussion can kiss my fat white male ass….

    If that were me…hopping behind a counter at an airport, tearing out computer keyboards, and then returning to pick up and swing a stanchion while taking another whack at throwing computers around behind the airline counter I’d be busted into 22 different pieces and in a cell, not escorted out by security asking me “what is wrong with you”.

  63. Phoenix says:

    If you were born as a woman, or even identified as such, you would be escorted out and given a binky, blankie, or an ice cream cone.

    Karens are coddled, Kens are beaten and shot.

  64. leftwing says:

    Any of our resident IT experts have an opinion on the Kaseya/MSP hack?

    We are in the holiday weekend but if I understand the backdrop correctly hundreds of downstream businesses can be affected…surely some of those are operating now? Swedish supermarkets are locked out.

    Big deal? No deal? Too soon to tell?

  65. Fabius Maximus says:


    Can you do a wellness check on Eddie Ray? I’m worried that he may have been on his way to his “Nompound” and is now in need of bail money!

    A bizarre incident unfolded Saturday morning in Wakefield, Massachusetts. According to local police: “During a motor vehicle stop, several heavily armed men claiming to be from a group that does not recognize our laws exited their vehicles and fled into the woodline” near Interstate Highway 95.

  66. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Independence Day & Thanksgiving are two GREAT American Holidays. We are all on the same team. Never take your Independence for granted. Building a great Republic is messy at times but it’s all worth it. The USA is underrated as one of the greatest innovations in World History.

  67. leftwing says:

    “Grim, Can you do a wellness check on Eddie Ray? I’m worried that he may have been on his way to his “Nompound” and is now in need of bail money!”

    Fabs I know it may be confusing because your team only uses race when it suits you (ie, anti-white), but those arrested are part of a Black militant group.

    Of course not your fault for being uninformed, Lord knows the NYT or WaPo would never state their race given what it is. Because, you know, only white men perpetrate gun violence and “insurrection!”.

    So unless Gary changed races recently just go crawl back into your troll hole. And Happy Fourth!, whatever that means these days to your crowd….

  68. Grim says:

    Since when isn’t NYC 24 hours?

    Remember more than one sunrise walking out of Tunnel, Twilo(Sound Factory), Limelight, etc.

  69. 3b says:

    Left: I was scratching my head when I read Fabs comment regarding Fast Eddie. It was obvious he did not read the article just assumed it was some right wing nuts.

  70. joyce says:

    “Eddie Ray” = Comrade Nom Deplume

  71. Phoenix says:

    Guess it’s not the “United” States anymore.

    Now the Statue of Liberty is cancelled! Washington Post writer claims famed figure is a ‘meaningless symbol of hypocrisy’ and ‘unfulfilled promises’
    Philip Kennicott, Pulitzer Prize winner, said statue no longer represented liberty
    Said it was a symbol of ‘unfulfilled promises’ due to America’s history of racism
    The journalist added that the statue was irrelevant to non-white Americans

  72. Fabius Maximus says:

    Lighten up Francis. If you cant see the humor in that post you must be having a miserable day.

    3b, Eddie Ray is not Gary, its Nom, and he would be the first to tell you he is an Equal Opportunity Wingnut. The only criteria he had for his Nompound was money and resources.

    Off to take my son driving. Happy 4th everyone.

  73. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Meaningless to all non white Americans? Even the ones that came here on their own free will? Should it be meaningless to all non Anglo Saxon Protestants? After all every nationality that came here was discriminated against. You would think Mr. Kennicott would be more thoughtful.

  74. leftwing says:

    I’m very happy. Always have been.

    You liberals are the dour crowd. Always have been.

    Good backpedal though.

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