Not nearly enough progress

Updated Vaccination by Age Range for NJ:
7/29 vs 8/21

At Least 1 Dose
Total Pop: 9.2m
Total 1st Doses: 6.0m – 65% of total pop (Up from 62%) – Bloomberg reporting 68.6%

12-15 – 450k population – 180k dosed – 40% 1 Dose (Up from 38%)
16-17 – 240k population – 120k dosed – 50% 1 Dose (Up from 48%)
18-29 – 1.5m population – 900k dosed – 60% 1 Dose (Up from 57%)
30-49 – 2.4m population – 1.74m dosed – 73% 1 Dose (Up from 69%)
50-64 – 2m population – 1.56m dosed – 78% 1 Dose (Up from 77%)
65-79 – 1.1m population – 1.08m dosed – 98% 1 Dose (Up from 93%)
80+ – 415k population – 360k dosed – 87% 1 Dose (Up from 82%)

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199 Responses to Not nearly enough progress

  1. WALKING says:

    Good morning Numero uno

  2. Walking says:

    Brt, hope your family member pulls through. Regarding shot #2. my father in law got the 2nd shot was in the hospital for 2 weeks. The docs at Hackensack said yeah he has some real issues with his lungs not sure what to do so let’s send him home. Oxygen levels dropped to below 80 with no sign of covid. We had to fight to get him treatment, and spell it out for them. Took him a good 3 months to recover. Got the Pfizer shot if that means anything

  3. grim says:

    If Pfizer gets full approval on Monday, we should see a few more mandates announced, as well as a few go into effect (as they were predicated on approvals).

    Given that it’s work based, we’d maybe see a small bump for the 18-64 age ranges, given they are pretty high already.

  4. grim says:

    Looks like the biggest gap at this point are towns with large child populations.

    Doing a double take back over some of the urban areas that have been laggards. Even though the adult populations have made significant improvements (all races), the overall population numbers are still low. That only leaves the kids..

    Let’s just use Paterson for example. As of 8/20, the 18+ vaccination rate for Paterson was 80%. That’s tremendous progress. That’s 8 in 10 adults in Paterson with at least one shot. Don’t tell me there is a racial gap here.

    But, they are still sitting at 62% overall population with 1 dose. Look at that gap, 18 points different. BUT, put it in the context of 30% of the population 19 and below, and it starts to make sense. If you were only looking at the topline number, of course you would immediately jump to the racial gap hypothesis, but it’s clear it’s no longer the case here.

    Compare it to something like Kinnelon, at 91% white. Exactly same percentage of 18+ vaccinations, 80%, and a very similar 66% total vaccinated. Ok, so now lets compare the kids. Very similar at 29% of the population below 19. Two very different places, running very similar numbers, because of the kids.

    Flipping to Passaic, with one of the highest populations of kids in the state, 18+ vaccinations at 76% (not terrible), but overall, sitting at an abysmal 57% – worse than Paterson, but they have more kids, 37% of the population 19 and below.

  5. grim says:

    Next step is to solve for the Republican vaccination problem in NJ, especially at the western end of rt 78.

  6. BRT says:

    Walking,

    thanks. This was months ago. He’s fine now. The problem is, mandates wouldn’t consider him fully vaxxed, but he clearly for documented health reasons, should not be taking a shot of this ever again.

  7. Bystander says:

    Not one post on Henri? Time make sure Champion is filled. I think Lib had that as Cap cheapo special. $200 on sale at Amz..thing got me a bro through a week of outage last year.

  8. Juice Box says:

    Henri is a glancing blow for NJ. I could not get dinner reservations for tonight for a party of 8, seems nobody is expecting much.

    https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3+shtml/092545.shtml?cone#contents

  9. Juice Box says:

    papers were are your papers?

    NYC’s new vaccination screening program for indoor dining etc requires that you show proof of vax *and* ID.

    If you have an ID—don’t forget to bring it.

    If you need an ID—get the City’s IDNYC. Available to all including undocumented. How to get yours:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/idnyc/card/how-to-apply.page

  10. Bystander says:

    Yep, who gives a f about Li and CT. ;>) Being in that CT red band, LI provides that first line, natural barrier…strong island

  11. Juice Box says:

    I have 15 gallons of fresh gas…..I also have a B-day party to throw tonight, going to be some real fireworks at the party too rockets and all rain or shine….

  12. Juice Box says:

    P-Town data from the State’s website is more accurate as of f 8/20/2021

    Fully vaccinated..

    All Ages: 52%
    18 and over: 67%
    30 and over: 72%
    65 and over: 84%

    Newark

    All Ages: 45%
    18 and over: 57%
    30 and over: 63%
    65 and over: 73%

    We should be setting up roadblocks and checking papers. The unvaccinated should not be allowed to travel at this point.

  13. grim says:

    The 1 shot is a better indicator of near term trend, compare the two.

  14. grim says:

    Paterson

    1 Dose – 18 and Over
    8/20 – 80%
    7/23 – 75%

    2 Dose – 18 and Over
    8/20 – 67%
    7/23 – 64%

    Paterson has made some tremendous progress in the last 2 months.

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I worry for renters trying to buy property and our children who have little or no earnings power. The U.S. housing market might get as hot as the Canadian housing market.

    If you think the U.S. housing market is bonkers, you haven’t been paying attention to our neighbors up north. Not only is the Canadian housing market more expensive than the U.S. housing market, but average wages in Canada are also lower.

    If the world suddenly finds out the U.S. housing market is one of the cheapest in the world, I fear our children will be priced out of the U.S. housing market forever. If enough renters get priced out, there might just be a revolution!

    https://www.financialsamurai.com/what-if-the-u-s-housing-market-turned-into-the-canadian-housing-market/

  16. Phoenix says:

    Major issues with working from home:
    https://youtu.be/NSUjXhWuGSc?t=807

  17. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    With what we know about Pfizer shouldn’t we track them separately? They are down in sinovac territory.

  18. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Not a good situation for the northern trust. I guess they’ll try to finish Monday.

  19. leftwing says:

    “Next step is to solve for the Republican vaccination problem in NJ, especially at the western end of rt 78.”

    That all sounds just so….third reich.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Left,
    How hard is it to find out who the owners are of all of the major healthcare systems in NJ?
    Is there some sort of regulatory filing that they would need to do that would disclose if systems were private, or owned by hedge funds, etc?

  21. leftwing says:

    Phoenix, tried to reply but netherworld filters eating it up…

    Redacted version….no direct NJ experience, public entities should file some equivalent to a Form 990, private actual ownership unlikely I would think, much more likely investor interest and returns come through the p/l, eg practice management

  22. Walking says:

    Phoenix ajor healthcare? Do you mean practices or health insurance?

    We had an offer from private equity buried in the fine print – $250k to get out of the contract, contract length 15 years, guaranteed increase of 20 k salary a year. Talk about indentured servant

  23. Walking says:

    This was a large east coast group from fl to ny. Guy almost spit out his wine when that line was referenced during dinner. “Oh By the way which one is pink”

  24. Phoenix says:

    Actually I was asking about the major institutions in NJ.

    Will have to do some sleuthing, it’s not my avenue, but it’s a challenge I guess I will shoot for. Thanks LW, I will read up on 990.

    Seems like plenty of horror in this industry. Walking, practices would be more interesting to me- insurance always has more rats than a meat filled dumpster in Calcutta. I get the feeling that these hedge fund groups have some of the best contract writers that exist. I have friends with personal stories of contracts like you describe or even worse. How you go to medical school and later be treated like dirt due to a nasty contract is frightening.

    No wonder people become lawyers and go into finance, it’s a better lifestyle with more freedom.

  25. Phoenix says:

    Walking,
    Haha. Gotta love Floyd.

  26. BRT says:

    Immunity update. Despite participating in gigantic unmasked crowds at the epicenter for 7 days straight, everyone tested negative.

  27. crushednjmillenial says:

    Covid and delta this fall . . .

    I don’t know if all are aware of this, but right now in NJ (possibly the blue state with the tightest covid-premised infringement upon liberty for most of the pandemic) it is possible to go to a bar with 100 people and no masks, indoors. You can go to several in the same night and thus have covid-relevant contact with easily 1,000 people in a single Friday night, who will easily have covid-relevant contact with 10,000 people by Saturday night. I’ve literally been in bars like this a few times since May or June 2021 or so (after 4 weeks passed after my second vax dose) and seen this with my own eyes. Especially in Dem-controlled urban north NJ. My point is that the bars SHOULD be open, the bars ARE open, people ARE mixing tremendously in unmasked, close and indoor contact and . . .

    Despite literally packed, crowded bars operating like pre-Covid, our system has NOT fallen over. I.e, the trains are driving on the train tracks, gas stations have gas, grocery stores have food, etc. Thus, apparently Covid was not capable of destroying modern society. So, what did we shut down for and why are places like NYC mandating vax passports? To make it so that .2% of the population (93% of which are over age 50) die rather than .7%? We should all resist “saving lives” tropes by our elected and un-elected leaders which do not provide actual quantitative analysis. Throughout Covid, our elected and unelected leaders have grabbed all sorts of power without providing cost-benefit analysis at any step in the process – how many lives are we trying to save, how much in hospital costs are we trying to avoid, a hard date for when we expect to have sufficient PPE, etc. is never discussed.

    Finally, it is beyond ridiculous and contemptuous of the common American for anyone to grab a microphone (elected, hospital administrator or whoever) and say anything about the hospitals being overloaded or ICU’s being near capacity or whatever. This “pandemic” is currently into its 18th month. If any hospital out there is not ready, then that is outrageous. It started as two weeks to SLOW the spread and flatten the curve so that the hospitals wouldn’t get overloaded. Hospital overload was understandable somewhat during March – June 2020, but not now.

  28. crushednjmillenial says:

    Another thing, weddings with 500 people are open indoors, without masks. Today is a Saturday in the summer, there are probably at least something like 50,000 people attending indoor weddings in NJ today.

    Delta panic is media hype to get back to the days of April 2020 where everyone was watching desperately for the newest news on Covid, because we were scared of what was to come.

  29. Phoenix says:

    crushed,
    You would be surprised to know how many people are out there walking around that look healthy but are like the Miami Champlain tower on the inside. You just can’t tell

    As a society I guess you have to decide how valuable an older or sicker person is and what you are willing to do to keep them alive. It’s a moral call.

    As far as the hospitals, most were already running close to full bore before Covid. They don’t run with that much extra reserve to begin with. Bean counters whittle and gnaw anywhere they get a chance. System demands more and more with less and less.

    All Covid did was show the cracks in the system. There has been a systemic shortage of nurses for a very long time. There is not one place pretty much that isn’t hiring.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/21/health/covid-nursing-shortage-delta.html

  30. Hold my beer says:

    Crushed

    It’s not just about the deaths, there are estimates of 20%+ of people who catch covid are long haulers and have damage to their lungs, hearts, brains. My son has 3 friends who are long haulers, otherwise healthy teens, one lost sense of smell and taste, one has been diagnosed with asthma from covid, and one has heart palpitations now. They caught it before vaccines were available.

    But I’m vaccinated and wear a mask when I go out. I go about my life almost like pre covid. I just only get take out and don’t eat in a restaurant. I was eating in restaurants back in June but then delta started spreading so we’ve gone back to take out until we get back to pre delta numbers .

    But I do think a lot of the covid restrictions are ridiculous . Like Closing parks and playgrounds, banning recreational boating.

    And when delta surges in jersey and nyc like it is in Texas and Florida it will be as bad as Spring of 2020 was.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    t’s impossible to say how the coronavirus will continue to evolve. Those changes, after all, are a result of random mutations.
    But there are some fundamental principles that explain why the virus has morphed as it has, principles that could guide our understanding of its ongoing evolution — and what that means for our future with the pathogen.
    The great fear is that nature could spit out some new variant that completely saps the power of vaccines and upends the progress we’ve made against the pandemic. But to virologists and immunologists, such a possibility seems very unlikely.
    That’s not to say variants won’t impair immune protection. Already, it appears Delta is causing breakthrough infections and symptomatic cases at higher rates than other variants. But vaccines have shown they don’t lose much oomph at protecting people from hospitalization and death, no matter the variant they’re up against. The way the vaccines work leaves experts optimistic that mutations won’t suddenly leave everyone vulnerable again.
    “I don’t think that we’ll end up with variants that completely escape antibodies or vaccine-induced immunity,” said vaccinologist Florian Krammer of Mount Sinai’s Icahn School of Medicine. Already, Krammer said, we’ve seen the immune system’s ability to neutralize viral variants drop — to the greatest degree with the Beta variant — but it still persists. Because of that, vaccines haven’t lost major steps at protecting people from the worst outcomes of Covid-19.
    Something unexpected could happen, scientists caution — another twist in a pandemic full of them. Already, they’ve had to reassess their thinking about the coronavirus’ evolution. This family of viruses proofreads itself as it replicates, which means it picks up mutations more slowly than viruses like influenza. For the first several months of the pandemic, the virus didn’t seem to be changing in dramatic ways. But now, variants are dominating the conversation.
    “This virus has been surprising us,” said Ramón Lorenzo-Redondo, a molecular virologist at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine.
    Below, STAT outlines some of the key questions about the virus’ evolution — and what it means going forward.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Different forces are at play here. But one key factor is that by cutting how much the virus replicates — both through preventing infections and by shortening the infections that do occur — vaccines limit the likelihood of additional, more dangerous variants. People who are protected against the virus can act as evolutionary dead ends.

    “The pressure is there, but the opportunity is not,” said Jeremy Kamil, a virologist at Louisiana State University Health Shreveport. “The virus has to replicate in order to mutate, but each virus doesn’t get many lottery tickets in a vaccinated person who’s infected.”

  33. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No vaccine is perfect. A small number of people get hospitalized with Covid-19 or even die after being vaccinated, often those with other health conditions. And it’s possible that variants could cause the vaccines to lose some of their effectiveness: perhaps they cause symptomatic disease at higher rates, and even increase the rate of severe disease or death by a hair. Concerns about the immune response waning in general, combined with the partial escape potential of Delta, are driving the debate about boosters, at least for certain groups of people. But overall, the vaccines are so protective that many virologists — while cautioning they can’t guarantee it — don’t see some variant arriving that alone upends the power of the shots.
    One future for the virus is that it reaches some stability but then continues to change in small ways. People could become susceptible to an infection over time (whether that’s every year or after several years isn’t known and will likely vary) but will still generally be protected from worse outcomes. And with every exposure to the virus, including exposure-mimicking vaccines, our bodies will get better at warding it off, maybe even without symptoms. In that way, SARS-CoV-2 will eventually become another endemic respiratory virus.
    “The indications are that immunity is really protective against hospitalization and death, even if we’re going to be stuck in a groundhog day world where the virus keeps infecting people year after year even after they’ve been exposed,” Worobey said.
    A lab study, published as a preprint this month, found that even if a variant emerged that could escape the immune protection people have — a scenario that study author and virologist Paul Bieniasz of Rockefeller University called “extremely unlikely to happen suddenly” — a booster shot could raise antibody levels to the point where people could fend off the evolved virus. Similarly, if the virus continues to evolve and leads to a more gradual erosion of immune protection, an extra jab could handle it, perhaps one that’s tweaked to better suit the changes in the virus.
    “Even if the virus acquires those resistance mutations, it’s possible to generate an immune response that’ll cope with that,” Bieniasz said.

    https://apple.news/ApRUTy-5zTLqSmPPka_-VDA

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Moral of the story. Get the vaccine. Why would you not want added protections?

  35. BRT says:

    With our vaccinations numbers, it should be impossible to overload our NJ healthcare system. At this stage in our state, it’s a fictional scenario used to influence people. Besides, I’m pretty sure Murphy killed off all the low hanging fruit in the first wave.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Why can’t people just get the vaccine, and we call it a day? Too much to ask.

  37. grim says:

    Shocked that people aren’t more concerned with the long term side effects of covid.

  38. Nomad says:

    You can sign up for the free basic stuff, work on math, logic or a variety of other skills.

    For a few bucks, you can torment yourself bigly. Or, you can turbocharge your kids minds.

    https://brilliant.org

  39. BRT says:

    If y0u saw Disney, it was n0nst0p “superspreader” events. They jam 50 pe0p1e int0 a sma11 r00m pri0r t0 every ride. 0nce the firew0rks start, the entire cr0wd is sh0u1der t0 sh0u1der everywhere and c0mp1ete1y ign0ring mask mandates. Every time the rain started d0wnp0uring, every0ne immediate1y ran int0 the st0res, sh0u1der t0 sh0u1der.
    But, the same crap is g0ing 0n everywhere. I find my friends in NJ incredib1y ign0rant when they sneer at 0ther states. There is n0 difference between the p01icies 0f F10rida 0r NJ the past 3 m0nths. 100k at the Phish c0ncert in AC.

    https://bronx.news12.com/nearly-38-000-people-pour-into-atlantic-city-friday-night-to-attend-phish-concert
    That’s 40,000 pe0p1e sh0u1der t0 sh0u1der mask1ess, wh0 a11 1ike1y jam packed a11 the casin0s and bars immediate1y after.

  40. Phoenix haha edition says:

    The U.S. State Department was recently hit by a cyber attack, and notifications of a possible serious breach were made by the Department of Defense Cyber Command, it has been reported.

    It is unclear when the breach was discovered, but it is believed to have happened a couple of weeks ago, according to the Fox News reporter’s Twitter thread.

    The State Department’s ongoing mission to evacuate Americans and allied refugees in Afghanistan ‘have not been affected,’ the reporter added.

    ‘The State Department could not provide documentation for 60 percent of the sample employees who had access to the agency’s classified network and left thousands of accounts active after an employee had left the agency for extended periods of time on both its classified and unclassified networks,’ the report reads.

    Some accounts remained active as long as 152 days after former employees quit, retired or were fired, according to the report.

    ‘Former employees or hackers could use those unexpired credentials to gain access to the State’s sensitive and classified information, while appearing to be an authorized user,’ the report read

  41. FabiusMaximus says:

    BRT

    I’m seeing some of the the opposite at Disney. It helps this week is a 2/10 on the crowd scale, as most of the country has the kids back in school. Lots of mask compliance in the parks and a few people kicked out of the parks for non compliance. They got warnings and then an escort. Disney is protecting the bubble.

    With the fireworks I classify that as “Mosh Pit Rules”. If you are there you can’t complain about what happens . We watched them off to the side with no one near us. Also we took the “quieter way out of the park behind Main Street and then masked for the crowds.

    i also took a trip to Publix to resupply. Its like NJ with almost the whole store masked.

  42. Phoenix haha edition says:

    Have to give the Taliban credit, they do have a good sense of humor.

    Taliban soldiers wearing US army gear mock iconic WW2 image of Marines raising flag on Iwo Jima in 1945 and release footage showing them armed with American weapons while roaming Kabul.

    A group of Taliban fighters released a collection of propaganda footage, including a photo where they mocked the famed World War II picture of soldiers raising the American flag on Iwo Jima.

    In the original 1945 photograph, a group of six Marines are depicted hosting the flag on Mount Suribachi.

    The Taliban’s Badri 313 Battalion recreated the image this week.

    In their version, a group of soldiers is seen hoisting the Taliban flag in a similar fashion while sporting U.S. weapons and gear that was likely stolen from allied militaries during patrols of Kabul.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9914793/Taliban-soldiers-MOCK-iconic-World-War-II-image-American-Marines-raising-flag-Iwo-Jima.html

  43. Grim says:

    It’s like we never left…

    Pretty sure that the Taliban hired a number of western political consultants to help them.

  44. Hold my beer says:

    grim

    Probably because society is not trained to think long term. Our news cycle bounces from scandal to natural disaster with little follow up on the aftermath, all the hype for the next game or movie which is replaced with the next big thing in a week or two, even companies are focused on quarterly or yat best ear over year growth. Very little care to what happens 2 to 10 years down the line. Meanwhile China thinks in terms of decades.

  45. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Hold,

    Amen! No one gives a damn about the long term. Sad.

  46. Phoenix haha edition says:

    Britain loses patience with Sleepy Joe: Tony Blair brands Biden an ‘imbecile’ over ‘tragic, dangerous and unnecessary’ decision to quit Afghanistan amid claims Boris remarked ‘we would be better off with Trump’
    Tony Blair has branded Joe Biden an ‘imbecile’ over ‘tragic’ decision to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan
    Ex-prime minister said Britain has a ‘moral obligation’ to stay until ‘all those who need to be are evacuated’
    Mr Blair warned Boris Johnson manner of US exit indicated UK could be relegated to second-power status
    President wants evacuations done by end of August – forcing UK to wrap up its operation at the same time

  47. Phoenix sad edition says:

    A sleepy Sunday and America is continuing to be a joke on the world stage.

    All starts with a dolt that sends us there in the first place, and all the greed that was stealing pallets of cash left and right while those who signed up to defend this morally bankrupt country were wounded and dying.

    Orange headed Cheetoh looking like a hero. Now there is a trip. That’s how bad this has become. Lib claiming that he was finished, now, who knows. Maybe comb over Kool-Aid orange pitcher is going to blast through the wall like he does in his commercial.

    All we need now is a little stock market/housing blip and off and it’s off to the races.

  48. Phoenix haha edition says:

    I know that men have to sign up for Selective service. What about someone labeled as they or them?

    I hope we have thought that far ahead, I see a 20 year court case in the making, and hundreds of millions in legal bills. By that time we should be badly exiting the next war.

  49. Juice Box says:

    Obama and Sleepy Joe stopped taking them out in 2014. They have had seven years to train their new young Taliban army most weren’t even born when we invaded. They were able to train without fear of our troops talking them out. It was up to the local village patrols by their Afghan Army brothers to keep an eye on them. Those brothers one in the Army and one in the Taliban probably all sat down together for dinners at mom’s mud hut in the evenings.

  50. Fast Eddie says:

    The image of the Taliban raising that flag in mock fashion is nauseating.

  51. 3b says:

    Phoenix: Bill Maher, kind of the elder statesman for the left , says that the Biden debacle in Afghanistan is something he would have expected under the Trump
    administration. Also says the Woke left have lost their mind.

  52. 3b says:

    Even the French who can’t do anything have gotten their people out of Afghanistan.

  53. Bystander says:

    God is merciful in mysterious ways:

    “Henri cuts short Barry Manilow set at NYC central park concert”

  54. SmallGovConservative says:

    Phoenix sad edition says:
    August 22, 2021 at 9:32 am
    “Orange headed Cheetoh looking like a hero…”

    The world is literally unravelling thanks to the Calamity Joe and the Dems and you guys can’t stop taking shots at T — give it up already!

    Oh and by the way, T eradicated ISIS, neutralized Iran, kept Afghanistan quiet, delivered multiple middle-east peace agreements, gave us energy independence, secured our southern border, and more…I know the Dem stooges here are all ready to vote for Biden/Harris again, but let me know why any reasonable and sane person would vote for the Dem dopes instead of T in 24?

  55. 3b says:

    Hold: Very true,just like so many only care about who we’ll their 401k s are doing and the over inflated value of their real estate. They don’t give a damn about how the young generations are being screwed.

  56. 3b says:

    Very few masks in Bergen Co from what I can see.

  57. Bystander says:

    It is truly a lesson for right flag waving, symbolic a$$holes who cheered on the vengeance tour by Bush. Think critically before running into wars in third world hellholes, where other countries have failed many times. You can’t trust military to do anything but lie about the situation to project America’s excemptionalism in democracy builing so that naive right can justify sendng their kids to die. The Tillman case showed they can’t be trusted with providing any truth.

  58. 3b says:

    I said the other day the longer WFH is in place the more permanent it will become. There is an article in today’s WSJ stating just that. 83 percent of employers surveyed by price Waterhouse said remote work is working. 41 percent of employees surveyed said they wish to remain remote full time, up from 29 percent. Employees have embraced the flexibility and quality of life improvements. Some concerned about cultural issues, but understand there is no going back.

  59. Bystander says:

    Which was over-run more quickly – Afghan govt or Trump’s big, secure southern border? Run the 78 year Trump..please, Smallbrain. Your looney thinking is why right is lost party with no platofrm except delusional conspiracy. 3 years is a long time, at least another wife..

  60. Phoenix haha edition says:

    To quote Lib ( I think it was him)

    Elections have consequences.

  61. Bystander says:

    We will forget about the sand people by next week. Oz Powell will get nominated for second term and we will continue to print our way to oblivion. Fat and happy Americans will continue to be impressed by 401ks, Biden’s 36K Dow and banking criminals will tout American’s resilience and amazing recovery justifying the house and stock prices. The rest is political noise. Keep watching Kabul airport to pretend we g&ve a sh& t and horrified.

  62. Phoenix says:

    Gotta love the Daily Mail.

    They show military planes dropping flares, people being killed on one side of the page, the other side, a half naked celebrity showing off her “long pins” while putting on a “cheeky” display with her “pert” derriere.

    A little something for everyone!

    By the way I applied to be Britney Spears butler. I’m qualified, I have both medical and have a extensive resume of dealing with crazy for years. Pay is better than what I’m making.

    Wish me luck.

  63. Phoenix says:

    Sorry about the poor grammar. Hit post too soon. Oh well.

  64. Phoenix haha edition says:

    Man, this is a better 180 degree then Jim Rockford.

    ‘I believe in your freedoms, but I recommend you take the vaccines’: Donald Trump is BOOED at Alabama rally while encouraging his supporters to get COVID-19 shots

  65. Fast Eddie says:

    The world is literally unravelling thanks to the Calamity Joe and the Dems and you guys can’t stop taking shots at T — give it up already!

    It’s abnegation in its most extreme form. Every moving module on planet earth that opposes the diseased mind of a progressive left1st is the fault of Trump. The left simply cannot face the tragic truth of the epic failure that is the democrat party. To see the successes of Trump just sends them into a state of hysteria. I’m willing to bet that there are some twisted left1sts that believe tropical storm Henri is the result of the fake capital erect1on.

  66. Fast Eddie says:

    And, the f.ucktard democrats did nothing but spend billions on endless fake investigations and fake impeachment proceedings. In spite of it, the guy still succeeded.

  67. Bystander says:

    Delusional is calling something the success of Trump that never occurred.

  68. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    Benghazi much?

  69. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    End of that article.

    “Many work­ers are still ea­ger to see of­fices re­pop­u­lated, said Ms. Cowger, the CEO of the law firm Schwabe, which em­ploys about 400 peo­ple across the Pa­cific North­west. Her firm de­layed its manda­tory of­fice re­turn un­til at least No­vember, though Ms. Cowger said she even­tu­ally wants em­ploy­ees back in of­fices, some of the time, to help lo­cal cities re­cover eco­nom­i­cally and to en­sure col­leagues learn from each other.

    “We can’t keep our of­fice closed in­def­i­nitely,” she said. “We just can’t.””

  70. The Great Pumpkin says:

    We have already seen peak WFH…will slowly lead back to in person interaction driving innovative companies. Why? Because competition says so…in the end, that’s all that matters.

  71. Bystander says:

    The best thing for this country in 3 years is if we move away from Trump, Biden, Pelosi, McConnell regimes and allow someone else to come up. I never liked Harris but probably who Dems will go with. Biden won’t be president by 2023. I really don’t care who. Run Desantis..he is nearly a millennial. No more old guard, baby boomer kissing f$cks..period. Run 78 year old Trump against younger D..good freaking luck. Boomers dying off and younger folks will have much bigger say in 2023.

  72. 3b says:

    Pumps: Peak WFH!! LMAO!! It’s just getting started. I tried to educate you with all my years in corporate America vs your ZERO years. I will repeat that you have ZERO years in corporate America. However, you are too blinded by your fear that WFH will impact you negatively on a personal level. That’s why you harbor this unnatural hatred towards WFH. No going back , best you accept it.

  73. 3b says:

    Pumps Obviously you can’t read and understand the totality of the article, so you focus on her comment. No one has ever said it would be 100 percent WFH for everyone all the time, but it will become the dominant piece. The millennials want it,and Gen Z will want it too as they age. I can’t believe you are so selfish, and hate WFH as it may negatively impact your personal situation. Very sad.

  74. grim says:

    Very few masks in Bergen Co from what I can see.

    What’s surprising is that BC was not only the epicenter, but continues to be a hotspot for transmission.

    You’d imagine somewhat less across haughty suburbia, but it’s just not the case.

  75. leftwing says:

    “crushednjmillenial says: August 21, 2021 at 5:21 pm”

    I won’t copy it in its entirety but my vote for post of the week. The excerpt below is worth a comment though….

    “Despite…operating like pre-Covid,…our system has NOT fallen over. I.e, the trains are driving on the train tracks, gas stations have gas, grocery stores have food, etc. Thus, apparently Covid was not capable of destroying modern society…So, what did we shut down for and why are places like NYC mandating vax passports?…We should all resist “saving lives” tropes by our elected and un-elected leaders which do not provide actual quantitative analysis. Throughout Covid, our elected and unelected leaders have grabbed all sorts of power without providing cost-benefit analysis at any step in the process”

    When you understand that career politicians exist solely to control you will see the answers…literally, for a career politician or ‘civil servant’ control is the reason they exist…without their ability or the ‘need’ to control there is no role in society for them.

    Control is existential for the career politician. Whenever. Wherever.

  76. Fabius Maximus says:

    so in the end Joe was handed a Sh1t choice by Donnie and made the tough call, that was the right call.
    https://twitter.com/RepColinAllred/status/1429104714357133316/video/1

  77. Hold my beer says:

    Fabius

    He should have gotten all Americans who wanted out out, and all those who helped us like interpreters and their families out before we walked away . He’s been president for 7 months. That should have been plenty of time to fly those people out and cut red tape for the special visa program.

  78. 3b says:

    Fabius: It’s how Joe executed it, that’s the issue not the withdrawal. Democrats will always make excuses for their own.

  79. 3b says:

    Grim: I agree, but it’s like it never happened in BC. Just back from super market, except for employees, I was one of only a handful with a mask on.

  80. leftwing says:

    Yeah, I don’t know where in NJ people are seeing all these masks but in my definitively non-hillbilly/redneck town I’d say supermarkets are maybe 1/4 to 1/3 masked, mostly elderly or Asian. Other gatherings 10% or less.

    “Britain loses patience with Sleepy Joe: Tony Blair brands Biden an ‘imbecile’ over ‘tragic, dangerous and unnecessary’ decision to quit Afghanistan”

    Ahhh, the sweet smell of international respect. From a stalwart of the Left and our greatest ally……I’m so thankful we elected Joe so that we wouldn’t make asses of ourselves on the international stage (noting importantly this concept matters to weak willed liberals and not the general populace)…..

  81. Grim says:

    Eh, I’m back to masking indoors and doing curbside pickup where I can.

  82. BRT says:

    Come to Mercer County, it’s back to 90% masked. I got a lot of dirty looks yesterday. Literally wanted to tape my negative test to my chest which was taken 20 minutes prior. For people so adamant about vaccines working, they sure don’t put much faith in them. Btw, better immunity is gained from continual exposure, not living in a bubble. The entire danger of this virus is that it was novel and your body does not have the information to recognize it. Once you’ve been vaccinated, that’s no longer the case.

  83. leftwing says:

    Lib, not enough time to post a deep dive here but would be interested in your opinion on something I picked up late last week.

    Understand it may not be your cup of tea because of current state of operating earnings but it does have gross margins that would make big pharma blush….

    ZIP.

    Always looking for a new platform company type investment. Major established ones these days are valued for success three years out….This one may be interesting….Bullet point level stream of consciousness….

    Not horrible multiple of sales including re: growth with other platforms at 10-12x or better; decent industry, online recruiting; no worse (lack of a) moat than other comparable companies and sectors; came out via direct listing which companies are usually a bit orphaned before they connect (RBLX, COIN, PLTR, SPOT, WORK); recent good earnings but shares likely responding to capital markets events (deregistration of shares); small cap stock, may not be great for institutional interest but this at $2B market cap vs. the aforementioned names at $50B makes a hell of a lot more sense; not a reason to buy but because of the above there is an M&A angle; on its very small dataset of price action I see lines on the hourly at 22.50 and 27.00 with a hard floor at the DLO reference price of 20….

    Bottom line, unless/until a PYPL, SQ, SPOT, SHOP, etc come in another 15-20% or so I’m not seeing any platform type companies that have anywhere reasonable valuations crossed with growth prospects…that’s the bucket this one would go into….

    LMK…if it’s too far outside of what you would look at to even evaluate, understood.

  84. Hold my beer says:

    My supplier is out of bluna kf94 masks. Hope they get more soon. They say it’s taking them 4-7 business days to process orders too.

  85. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just explain to me how having your WFH team beats an in person team in the long term. I would think this matters. Also, when WFH workers start finding out their in person co worker doubled their salary in 4 years…they are going to want it too…

    All that matters to me is understanding the trend and how it applies to the world I invest in. Why can’t you understand that.

    “The millennials want it,and Gen Z will want it too as they age. I can’t believe you are so selfish, and hate WFH as it may negatively impact your personal situation. Very sad.”

  86. 3b says:

    Pumps All you care about is that it may affect you personally due to the decreased demand for commercial real estate. The rest is BS on your part.

  87. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b, yes, my life is tied to commercial real estate in nyc. You are a mental midget.

    If it hurts me, it hurts everyone. If nyc crashed, you don’t think for one second that it won’t take the world’s economy, never mind the nation’s economy with it?

  88. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Keep cheering on the demise of NYC president economy while calling yourself a patriot. Yea, if these assets crash, it hurts American people. Keep cheering it on.

  89. The Great Pumpkin says:

    My wife will get a job no matter what…why, because she is talented. To tie my wife’s career to one company…lmao. Okay…

    Instead see the big picture. If nyc crashes, it takes us all down with it. It’s that important. If it crashes, money will be draining out of your pocket if you hold any assets. Common sense.

  90. Ex says:

    The whole enchilada is being refolded Pumps.
    No one knows exactly what the next 10 years look like.
    These are all educated guesses by educated fools.

  91. njtownhomer says:

    got vax in march/april. MRNA

    I prefer using mask in closed settings, very careful in public places, not paranoid but don’t want to take unnecessary risk

    A week ago I got off a fully occupied big plane, 2 days having mild symptoms like congestion sneeze, all symptoms mostly gone, my covid test 5 days back came positive. I should repeat the test in a week again.

    Now really curious if the vax helped to recover that fast, strange feeling.

  92. BRT says:

    Vax likely made it quick for you. You now have a long lasting immunity.

  93. leftwing says:

    “Eh, I’m back to masking indoors and doing curbside pickup where I can.”

    “Vax likely made it quick for you. You now have a long lasting immunity.”

    No ball breaking or sarcasm here…I would actually take infection at this point. Seems like the best medical pathway out there?

    After a packed, unmasked concert a couple weeks at Summer Stage I had a weird deep sinus itch I seem to recall from my vaccination and clear but noticeable discharge.

    Any MDs without a license out there want to save me some google time with an opinion if a test now would return whether I was positive then?

  94. grim says:

    Glad to hear it was fairly mild for you.

    Tough to say, the older you are, and higher co-morbidities you might have, the higher the likelihood that the vaccine was helpful. Impossible to say though.

    As someone that has seasonal allergies, that are typically all over the place, I’m not sure I’d ever really know. Wake up 3/7 days a week with congestion/sniffles. Pop an allergy pill and decongestant and go on my way.

  95. Juice Box says:

    Cheapest home Covid test. Abbot labs BinaxNOW COVID-19 Antigen Self Test. 2 tests for $24 in-stock at CVS online, and some stores have it, out of stock on Amazon etc.

    https://www.cvs.com/shop/abbott-binaxnow-covid-19-antigen-self-test-2-tests-for-serial-testing-prodid-550147

  96. 3b says:

    Pumps: If your wife will get a job then you have nothing to worry about, and you should not have the hatred for WFH that you do. It’s far more than you being worried about NYC crashing ;that comes through on all of your anti WFH posts. I have said repeatedly NYC needs a reset to become more competitive with other areas in the country; WFH will help with that reset. The only mental midget is you who thinks that if everybody goes back to the office everything will be fine. WFH is a game changer and there is no going back, only a mental midget would think otherwise. You hate it because it may impact you personally, in spite of what you say.

  97. Juice Box says:

    We were having a family discussion at our party over the weekend on who should be prioritized for treatment if they get sick from Covid and need hospitalization, and now there are stories in the MSM about doctors who are refusing to treat the unvaccinated at all. It’s a tough call but the doctors are going to triage if the hospitals are overrun.

    Just remember folks it’s the healthcare system here and the vaccines that make all the difference. We do not want it to collapse that is for sure.

    Other news….on how bad it can really get…

    India with a population of nearly 1.4 Billion official death toll is lower than the USA at 435K. However there are now studies that show that show up to 4.9 million excess deaths most likely from Covid in this calendar year alone. Everyone I know from India has told me it is really really bad there, as of this week only 13% of adults are vaccinated in India, so they are in for a long haul as they try out two home grown vaccines and Covishield, Covaxin and Sputnik V as well.

    India has not purchased Pfizer and has limited J&J and Moderna vaccines at this point, refrigeration might have something to do with it.

  98. Fast Eddie says:

    Housing about to go boom? For what’s it worth, I’m seeing noticeably more houses listed for sale. Too little, too late for fat Mary and her Rheingold/Chesterfield special.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/housing-black-swan

  99. Juice Box says:

    I thought Biden’s speech was pretty good yesterday, good but not great. There are those now calling for him to get the Nobel Peace prize over it…

    Do they not realize he authorized the war with his vote in 2001 and continued funding it for all those years in the Senate and eight additional years as VP and 2nd in command? As far as I know during that time he did not speak out once on the floor of the Senate against the War. I gather nothing public during his eight years as VP. Now he is a peacemaker and should get the Nobel?

  100. 3b says:

    Fast: I have noticed more houses on the market as well. Don’t have any particular idea as to why.One just recently closed at 500k, supposed to be a 4 bed , 2 bath. It’s absolutely tiny, looks like a beach bungalow, and it’s on a double yellow line street. I think these people might be very sorry at some point with this purchase.

  101. Fast Eddie says:

    Two months on the market, they dropped it 40K. Another one trying to grab the ride up. They’ll now to be stuck with the ride down:

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/154-Hopkins-St-Hillsdale-NJ-07642/37938264_zpid/?

  102. Fast Eddie says:

    3b,

    Fast: I have noticed more houses on the market as well. Don’t have any particular idea as to why.

    They’re trying to cash out. You know the adage; when the paper boy and shoe shine guy are giving stock picks, it’s way too late. Though, I will honestly say that this area is still very competitive and will be until it begins to resemble Paterson or Monsey/Spring Valley. Speaking of, I see A LOT of NY plates at these open houses. Don’t know if they’re coming from the boroughs or wherever.

  103. Fast Eddie says:

    Sold for 552K in 2004; asking 569K. Interesting… almost 20 years later and they’ll sell for what they paid. It’s been sitting for six weeks which now makes you wonder if we’re in the throes of a bust cycle:

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/214-Oakridge-Rd-Hillsdale-NJ-07642/37937785_zpid/?

  104. 3b says:

    Fast :Definitely a fair amount of NY plates. The ones casing out are going somewhere. I have noticed a few on the market that have been renovated over the last 3 to 5 years, surprised to see those on the market as I assume younger families with kids. Tons of office space and retail available as well.

  105. Fast Eddie says:

    The first thing I do when I look at a house in person is to go to the backyard. If I’m practically looking into neighbors windows, their above ground pool three feet from my fence, tubby Karen yelling at the kids, I’m not interested. I want the yard to be private, regardless of size.

  106. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Juice

    Life expectancy is 10 years higher here than India. They have a much younger population. Consequently they don’t have the vast old people warehouses that we do. Not to mention our obesity epidemic that kills a lot more than COVID. There were less prone people India for COVID to kill.

    And I disagree on the excess deaths. Absolutely COVID brought forward a huge number of deaths but when the data is smoothed will tell a different story in terms of mortality. 94% with co morbidity.

  107. SmallGovConservative says:

    Brits pleading with Joe to extend the Afghan mission beyond Aug 31 because they don’t think they can evacuate all of their citizens by then; Taliban threatening Joe with ‘consequences’ if he does extend beyond Aug 31. This could be interesting…

  108. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    2 “Covid related” deaths yesterday in NJ. A state of 9,000,000+.

    If you super masks, vaccine passports then you should also support wrapping yourself in bubble wrap to drive a car and putting quotas on fast food consumption.

  109. Chicago says:

    Fast Eddie: the black swan, which is not a black swan since it was always right there in pain sight, is the cessation of the moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.

  110. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Alright, let me try to paint this picture as simple as I can.

    If WFH really does catch on. America and every other economic powerhouse based onlocation is dead. It’s the ultimate race to the bottom when the next recession hits. You will hear a giant sucking sound as every business stays alive through the recession by getting cheaper and cheaper workers in remote locations. That’s deflationary and it won’t be pretty with the amount of debt out there. So keep cheering it on.

    Im still convinced by logic, that in person teams dominate remote teams, so I’m not scared yet, but if it does take hold….be very scared during the next recession. WFH remote platform will make it easy for companies to shed American jobs and they will act on it…destroying American white color jobs and the service economy in America that now lives off this white collar population.

    3b says:
    August 23, 2021 at 8:48 am
    Pumps: If your wife will get a job then you have nothing to worry about, and you should not have the hatred for WFH that you do. It’s far more than you being worried about NYC crashing ;that comes through on all of your anti WFH posts. I have said repeatedly NYC needs a reset to become more competitive with other areas in the country; WFH will help with that reset. The only mental midget is you who thinks that if everybody goes back to the office everything will be fine. WFH is a game changer and there is no going back, only a mental midget would think otherwise. You hate it because it may impact you personally, in spite of what you say.

  111. Grim says:

    Pfe vax approved by the FDA this morning.

    Cue change in messaging. Now we must change our excuses, now we complain that it was approved too quickly, and that the FDA was coerced.

  112. BRT says:

    Grim, that was the narrative in the months leading up to the election.

  113. Juice Box says:

    Eddie – re:”Sold for 552K in 2004; asking 569K”.That house is not a good store of wealth..

    Purchasing power of the 2004 dollar was 45% greater. $1 dollar in 2004 is $1.45 dollars today. That is dollar deflation they type the FED does not fight with it’s money printing…

    Excluding carrying costs, taxes, maintenance, ,mortgage interest they lost $$$. They would need to get at least 800K to break even on that house 2004 purchase price excluding carrying costs.

  114. Ex says:

    9:19 I’d go by at a couple of different times a day. Just to see what the vibe is when neighbors are at home.

  115. Juice Box says:

    re: “Now we must change our excuses” “the FDA was coerced”

    It’s sad what Facebook and other social media has done….They have destroyed trust in our scientists and medical professionals.

    They don’t even understand the miracle of mRNA technology and how it is going to change all of our lives if you can afford it. Imagine paying for a one or two dose shot cancer treatment customized to defeat your cancer quickly? That treatment won’t come cheap however.. Perhaps everything you own…

  116. 3b says:

    Pumps: It’s already taking hold, we are living it. I have friends and family in every sphere of corporate America. We talk all the time, it’s real and it’s happening we are living it as opposed to yourself. You fail to grasp that as your fear blinds you. There is no going back.

  117. 3b says:

    According to BOA Fed tapering to stop beginning in November.

  118. BRT says:

    No ball breaking or sarcasm here…I would actually take infection at this point. Seems like the best medical pathway out there?

    All the collective data worldwide points to natural immunity being far superior to the vaccine. This is not new, it’s basic virology. Covid has 29 proteins. Anyone who’s body was infected by the virus is likely able to recognize most, if not all of those proteins on the surface of the virus. That’s why natural immunity is more effective against mutations as well. The whole idea that you should vax for the spike protein, hide, vax again, hide, vax again hide makes zero sense. The infections are mild if you are vaccinated.

  119. Fast Eddie says:

    Juice Box,

    They should’ve invested in commemorative silver coins or collectible plates from the Bradford exchange. ;)

  120. 3b says:

    Fast: Bradford Exchange!! You are dating yourself Fast!!

  121. 40+ year realtor says:

    There isn’t really a foreclosure moratorium in NJ. The eviction moratorium is being interpreted by sheriff’s departments to prohibit the sale of occupied properties. This interpretation is questionable at best. There is no specific language prohibiting the sheriff sales, only the evictions. Lots of occupied properties with final foreclosure judgments without scheduled sale dates. Some counties are selling vacant properties and others are holding no sales at all.

    I picked up a vacant property in Bergen a few weeks ago.

    By the way, that house on Washington Ave in Hillsdale the Eddie posted is a FNMA REO.

  122. Juice box says:

    Wonderful just notified My kids camp is shutting down because of one positive Covid test. Last day of camp is Friday I’m out some more money and I have to go get a negative test Thursday so I can only send them back for one day. You can bet school year’s gonna start off just like this everyone’s kid is gonna be sent home for quarantine

  123. Fast Eddie says:

    By the way, that house on Washington Ave in Hillsdale the Eddie posted is a FNMA REO.

    Is that better or worse that it’s FNMA REO? Are they still too high in price?

  124. grim says:

    You can bet school year’s gonna start off just like this everyone’s kid is gonna be sent home for quarantine

    It’s going to be a shit show.

  125. grim says:

    Interesting analysis posted at Stat this morning.

    https://www.statnews.com/2021/08/23/4-measures-applied-together-in-schools-can-minimize-covid-transmission/

    We could probably work backwards from youth vaccination rate and predict the QT hotspots.

    Just based on that data, it’s clear that it’s the grade schools that are going to see the bigger impact.

  126. 3b says:

    Grim: People talking about a Fall shut down again.

  127. leftwing says:

    “Taliban threatening Joe with ‘consequences’ if he does extend beyond Aug 31. This could be interesting…”

    Don’t watch the hand holding the shiny object, it’s misdirection. Where is the other hand? Deadline will extend and there will be a quid pro quo, what is the question…Members of this Admin have a history of flying planes full of cash to incentivize compliance to Middle East terrorist regimes…which, btw, does any sentient being believe that a 737 landing in a country with $150m of greenbacks was an error when every outer province was overrun, the capital encircled and six days from falling, and the embassy was being evacuated?

    You all know how I feel about the intelligence of senior government officials and even I don’t believe they could possibly be that incompetent……

  128. leftwing says:

    “2 “Covid related” deaths yesterday in NJ. A state of 9,000,000+…If you [support] masks, vaccine passports then you should also support wrapping yourself in bubble wrap to drive a car…”

    I was going to say or never leave the house except it’s possible that many people succumb daily to accidents around the house especially with the age group most impacted by covid….

    COVID is an endemic disease with a miniscule morbidity rate especially outside of a handful easily identifiable at-risk groups. You will be exposed to it. Deal with it.

  129. leftwing says:

    “Cue change in messaging. Now we must change our excuses, now we complain that it was approved too quickly, and that the FDA was coerced.”

    Maybe we could all just STFU and go about our own business….

    Get quadruple booster shots and double N95 mask. Or don’t. Either way, just stop getting in people’s faces and then fcuking whining when they flip you the bird.

  130. BRT says:

    left, many are totally driven by media hyped fear. My kids have been temporarily exiled from playing with 3 homes in the neighborhood because we went to Florida. The big joke is, one of them just got back from North Carolina, which has awful case numbers as well, but they don’t have a governor possibly seeking the GOP nomination so they get no coverage. They don’t care that my kids already had it. They don’t care that I got them a negative test 2 days ago. One of these families had basically locked their kid inside for 30% of his life because of this.

    Out of all the parental groups, the elementary parents have been the dumbest most illogical of the group throughout this entire 18 month ordeal.

  131. BRT says:

    The only school safety measures that should be taken are opening the windows and not having them eat en masse shoulder to shoulder in the cafeteria. Everything else is useless theatre to make people feel good.

  132. Hold my beer says:

    I’ve read another article that junior officers were ordered by higher ups to rewrite reports in a positive manner to make it seem like the afghan army was making progress and was much better than it was, and cover up how untenable the situation was without the US and NATO.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/served-afghanistan-us-marine-twice-100000389.html

  133. 40+ year realtor says:

    Eddie,

    House was purchased in 2010 for over $500,000 and was expanded and renovated. FNMA likely has little REO inventory currently and knows the market has been hot. In the whole scheme of things they are just another seller that believes their sh*t is more valuable than it really is.

  134. 3b says:

    40 year: Congratulations on 40 years in the business! Always enjoy reading your posts.

  135. Hold my beer says:

    BRT

    My son’s high school has Freshman and Juniors leaving each class 5 minutes before it ends to cut down on the congestion in the halls.

  136. leftwing says:

    “My kids have been temporarily exiled from playing with 3 homes in the neighborhood because we went to Florida.”

    Gottlieb reports this morning Rt = 0.86 in Florida…I don’t, but anyone have the time to pull up the number of U16 deaths in FL since Delta became prevalent? Including with co-morbidities?

  137. Hold my beer says:

    Some districts have offered virtual classes for k-6th grade since those kids are too young to get vaccinated and the 2 pediatric hospitals in the area are already filling up before school started. We have another virus called RSV running wild through the area that is impacting very young kids and babies and kids who are immunocompromised.

    https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/covid-rsv-viruses-texas-children-back-to-school/

  138. BRT says:

    Hold we did that early Sept last year, concluded it was pointless and gave it up.

  139. Juice Box says:

    re: Members of this Admin have a history of flying planes full of cash to incentivize compliance”.

    Won’t need to fly in cash….

    We are sitting on billions in frozen dollars banked here. About $7 billion of the central bank’s $9 billion in foreign reserves are held by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. $1.3 billion in international accounts, some of it euros and British pounds in European banks and another $400 million at the IMF.

    The durka durkas will starve without the foreign money. Their biggest imports are food and fuel.

  140. Hold my beer says:

    My kid thinks it’s dumb how they broke it up. It’s common for Juniors and Seniors to be in the same class and Freshman and Sophomores. He can’t think of anything besides lunch where freshman and juniors are together. Even choir is separated by experience and level.

  141. Juice Box says:

    Drumroll I am administering the BinaxNOW covid test to my son now. He does have sniffels too. The blue lips he also have are from a Dunkin Donuts Blue Coolata I bought him this morning.

  142. Libturd says:

    Sorry all.

    Was at a hockey tournament all weekend. Kid’s team finished 2nd out of 18. Team Ohio, which won it all, didn’t belong there for sure, but were a beautiful thing to watch. My family was the ONLY family in the entire tournament wearing masks. It’s funny. In Philadelphia mask usage is like 95%. 30 miles west and north, it’s closer to 10%. Went into an Uno’s to pick-up a lousy deep dish for the family (was in Norristown), not a one in the restaurant, kitchen, or bar wearing a mask.

    Listen, to each their own. By Fall, the D variant will be doing it’s thing up here what it is currently doing in the South. Longer term, I’m guessing between all of the new infections and the increase in vaccinations that occurs when cases ramp up all around us, there will be less and less people in danger. With that said, I am starting to come around on my feelings about these mandates. First, no one is following them, much like the lockdowns. Second, the more that get infected, the sooner I’ll be able to take off my mask in crowded places indoors. I will say this, I do not miss eating out. Occasional take out is enough. I’ve become a significantly better cook and am eating much better than ever before. Losing some weight too.

    Juice, I did not respond to your post about Essex County vaccination rates because I simply missed it. Sorry. If you are still interested, ask again please.

    3b, you are going to love this one. My company is now paying a hazard bonus for those forced to work in our plants (manufacturing). It’s pretty significant too. I fully support it. It sucks working in the office.

    Lefty,
    Will look at Zip tonight. I’m buried currently. Though there was another healthcare stock I liked, but forgot the name. Will look it up later.

    One last thing on Covid. A lot of people are referring to outdoor events as major spreaders. I really think it is extremely unlikely for it to spread outdoors. If exposure time is an issue, it just doesn’t happen outdoors. I don’t wear a mask outdoors and never have. Indoors, I’ll wear one if I am going to be somewhere for a while and if I see more than a few people in my vicinity. If I am going into say a convenience store at 1am. I don’t wear one.

  143. Libturd, Booyah says:

    ““My kids have been temporarily exiled from playing with 3 homes in the neighborhood because we went to Florida.””

    You sure it has to do with Covid?

  144. BRT says:

    Lib, yes. Kids have always gotten along. Every time my kids rounded the corner the past few days mother would scream for them to come in immediately…meaning, she’s at the window constantly terrified the Desantis exposed covid kids are coming.

  145. 3b says:

    Lib: We just got e mail, we are getting another stipend for WFH expenses. Just about everyone I know is not going back to the office until January. A few are supposed to be October 1, but are expecting it will be pushed out to January.

  146. Libturd says:

    I was kidding BRT.

  147. 3b says:

    My wife just told me a couple we know huge town fans, never met a spending referendum over the years that they didn’t like are moving. Taxes are too high!! Going to Oceanview Delaware. Typical!!

  148. BRT says:

    Lib, heh, I know. Just thought I’d elaborate more on the mindset of my neighbors.

  149. Nomad says:

    Altos Housing Research. Plug in a zip and it spits out the info. Looked at one for avg DOM and seemed not remotely accurate.

    https://altos.re/r/7a3625c9-c349-4500-aec9-b794bb466017?data=count&src=tw&i=chart&d=2021-08-23&modified_at=1606513934

    Going to an indoor event, plug in some data and see how long you can stay in the room, I think it is MIT guys that built it:

    https://indoor-covid-safety.herokuapp.com

  150. grim says:

    Lol, one of my last projects at my old gig was working with the testing facilitators on that at-home covid test. We expected to hire thousands of testing facilitators. Has been a bit of a bust. There was a piece in the media over the weekend about Abbott destroying tests.

  151. grim says:

    Wasn’t Murphy supposed to announce the teacher mandates this morning?

  152. Bystander says:

    “You can bet school year’s gonna start off just like this everyone’s kid is gonna be sent home for quarantine

    It’s going to be a shit show.”

    Bye, bye Vornado..who needs expensive NYC real estate afterall. 40 plus? Good luck with getting same income.

  153. BRT says:

    grim, I heard from an admin in another town that Murphy is planning on announcing surprise virtual option for everybody.

  154. grim says:

    Murphy is probably jealous over all of Deblasio’s mandates.

  155. BRT says:

    On potential quaratine issues:

    The DOE and DOH announced last week that when students are masked and at least three feet apart, quarantining is not required in the event of a positive case. Unlike last year, then, there is a distinct operational advantage to wearing masks.

  156. Bystander says:

    Oh gee, another 7% increase by garbage collection. That is 15% increase since early 2020. No raise for me in 3 years. I am sure this is transitory and he will be back down next year..a real genius told me that inflation was not issue.

  157. BRT says:

    Funny story. Bank of America told a bunch of their corporate employees to upload their vax documents or they can’t come into the office. So a bunch of the employees purposely didn’t upload it so they could continue to work from home.

  158. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Peak WFH already passed. Stand by it until someone shows me data that says otherwise.

  159. BRT says:

    Data has never swayed your opinion

  160. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Will some people get a WFH Friday? Sure, but make no doubts about it, if you are important to that company, you are going into the office. No one in their right mind is going to continue paying someone 6 figures for a job that does not require human contact. If your job doesn’t require in person, you are a “checklist” employee. Keep knocking out the checklist till they can your ass next recession.

  161. Libturd says:

    Neither has logic.

  162. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Go cry about how climate change is nothing to worry about….that they are just false alarmists.

  163. Fast Eddie says:

    Several studies over the past few months show productivity while working remotely from home is better than working in an office setting. On average, those who work from home spend 10 minutes less a day being unproductive, work one more day a week, and are 47% more productive.

    A study by Stanford of 16,000 workers over 9 months found that working from home increase productivity by 13%. This increase in performance was due to more calls per minute attributed to a quieter more convenient working environment and working more minutes per shift because of fewer breaks and sick days.

    In this same study workers also reported improved work satisfaction, and attrition rates were cut by 50%.

    77% of those who work remotely at least a few times per month show increased productivity, with 30% doing more work in less time and 24% doing more work in the same period of time according to a survey by ConnectSolutions.

    No commute. Whether it takes 10 minutes to drive to work or 1 hour, it saves this time when working from home. Employees can start the workday earlier if they don’t have to take the time to drive into the office. The Airtasker survey reports that, on average, a worker saves 8.5 hours a week of free time by not commuting to work. For a year, this adds up to 408 hours.

    Having no commute also means more time for hobbies such as gardening or raising backyard chickens which have seen an explosion in popularity since 2020.

    Less water cooler talk. Those who work from home talk less to coworkers, whether or not it’s work-related. Airtasker reports 70% of people rank work social relationships as important as getting the work done. Working from home minimizes the amount of social interaction.

    More Exercise. The lack of commute and less opportunity to socialize allows remote workers to use the extra time to exercise. Regular exercise can be good on mental and physical health and is a great stress reliever. Those who work from home report exercising 30 minutes more during the workweek.

    Maximum productivity. A study conducted by Ask.com found that 86% of employees prefer to work by themselves when they are trying to be as productive as possible.

  164. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Logic…why are you going to take on a remote worker. Why not just hire consultant based when you need them? A remote worker clearly could care less about the company and why should they be treated as such? Oh, you want to work from home, okay, not as an employee, but on a consulting basis. I have no idea who you are, only see you through a screen, so what loyalty do you have to this company? Just a face on a screen.

    Libturd says:
    August 23, 2021 at 2:45 pm
    Neither has logic.

  165. Fast Eddie says:

    KEY TAKEAWAYS:

    Forty-two percent of U.S. workers are now working from home full time, accounting for more than two-thirds of economic activity.

    Policymakers should ensure that broadband service is expanded so more workers can do their jobs away from a traditional office.

    As companies consider relocating from densely populated urban centers in the wake of the COVID-19 crisis, cities may suffer while suburbs and rural areas benefit.

    Working from home is here to stay, but post-pandemic will be optimal.

  166. Fast Eddie says:

    …so what loyalty do you have to this company?

    Zero. And the company has zero loyalty towards an individual. You add value, produce a profit for the company and they’ll compensate you for services. You could leave or be terminated at any time. There’s no such thing as loyalty. Now, go get your f.ucking shinebox.

  167. 3b says:

    Pumps: Brooding all morning over WFH , you claim it’s not an issue for you, and yet you brood constantly over it. Now your back with another Asinine statement that we are at peak WFH but offer nothing to back that statement with. Then you double down in your stupidity and total lack of self-awareness and claim that WFH is for checklist employees, and again ZERO corporate experience, I will repeat ZERO corporate experience, although you did lie about your profession. The you continue your madness and say six figure jobs have to be in the office and human contact, blah blah. You again insult thousands of people who have those six figure jobs and getting it done. How dare you? I sincerely suggested you get help, as it’s crystal clear you are obsessed with WFH. It’s not healthy. You won’t seek treatment of course. I do feel bad for you. It’s sad.

  168. The Great Pumpkin says:

    22% wfh before the pandemic.

    When companies actually go back to the office, that WFH number will come back down. Why? Because there is an actual reason why we went to work in the first place. It’s the same reason “in person” college experience is better than a remote college experience. You can’t change nature. We are genetically superior at making connections, communicating, and understanding each other in person. You CAN’T CHANGE THAT. So a business that decides to rely on a remote team will be at a major DISADVANTAGE to the “in person team.” Science says so. We were never meant to isolate and cut off in person communication in our lives. The economy of tomorrow will be based on an overwhelming ability to communicate and collaborate. What good does sitting at home isolated do for these factors?

  169. 3b says:

    Pumps: Please stop! You are embarrassing yourself more if that is possible. You know nothing on the topic. Give it a rest! Go out and take a walk , enjoy the last days of summer.

  170. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Then why do you always talk about it? Wtf do you care so much for? Please tell me. Just like you pray for a housing crash, but claim to be a home owner…please explain that to me.

  171. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    I’m a homeowner that wants to see real estate crash? Are you seriously this stupid??

  172. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And I need the help…smh

  173. 3b says:

    Pumps: At lease be honest and admit you have a problem. That’s step one. Step two is to realize there is nothing you can do to stop WFH. Do you really think coming on here every day screaming against it is going to do anything to stop it? Do you think if we just stop talking about it it will go away? Just take a walk, the sun is out.

  174. 3b says:

    Blair criticism on Afghanistan withdrawal by US.

  175. Libturd says:

    “When companies actually go back to the office, that WFH number will come back down. Why? Because there is an actual reason why we went to work in the first place.”

    Tell that to the tollworkers on the GSP.

  176. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I take the position that peak WFH has passed. Check the chart by clicking on tweet.

    “Another sign of some normalcy: working from home down by half from the peak.

    Not just compositional shifts: down by more half in mgmt/prof jobs, too.”

    https://twitter.com/jedkolko/status/1410940391214387207?s=21

  177. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So you can tell me I don’t know anything and I’m an idiot…blah blah blah, but the data does not lie.

  178. 3b says:

    Pumps: Two month old data is your source? Here is a reminder for you. State Street Bank last week announced they are closing their Rockefeller Center offices and all 500 broken people as you would call them will be WFH. You are obsessed with WFH. And on that note I will end the WFH discussion for today.

  179. Ex says:

    3:20 not the sharpest tool in the shed.

  180. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You see the data…then spit in my face. Okay.

  181. SmallGovConservative says:

    I think the WFH discussion is more nuanced than the blanket ‘WFH is here to stay’. Obviously none of us knows what WFH will look like in the long term, but one thing I still believe is that anyone that has management aspirations will need to be in the office at least some of the time. My guess is that the workforce will organically segregate; those that are comfortable being individual contributors will be the most likely to be fully WFH, as they will seek positions that allow it. Those that wish to build careers in management will need to spend time in the office. You’ll never see anyone that spends his/her career working from home, in the c-suite or other senior management position. Just my take.

  182. Trick says:

    The kids HS starts this week, we already got a covid letter after fresh orientation last week and again today about about kids testing positive in the school. No sure what the point is for the letters.

  183. 3b says:

    Small : No one ever said WFH will be one hundred percent 5 days a week, but it will be a significant factor going forward, and continue to grow in my opinion. Eventually, the Boomers in the C suites will be gone, and the millennials who are comfortable with WFH will partake in it as well; at least part of the time. It’s a massive change in corporate America, that was coming, but pulled forward by the pandemic. When people myself included say WFH is here to stay, it is in that there will be no going back to the traditional Monday to Friday in the office for everyone. And that will impact many areas, and in fact already has. It upsets the status quo and some people are afraid of that fact.

  184. Libturd says:

    SGC,

    Hey, something we can fully agree upon. Lack of exposure is the greatest shortcoming of WFH. Though, it will definitely lead to something that has always deserved more attention, but often did not get enough. That’s being judged by performance and not appearance or ability to be a great conversationalist.

    For example, I have a dream worker. She is an absolute machine. Her work ethic is unparalleled. Her intelligence, far superior to anyone I have ever worked with. Her ability to solve problems in the absolute best and most efficient ways is just incredible. She studied at NYU to be a music teacher. As a member of my team, she has taught herself all of the most common scripting languages as well as exhibits college graduate level comp sci logic prowess. She SHOULD be running the company. Instead, she wants nothing more than to not have to work with stupid people. She is not motivated by money. She is driven by acknowledgement and the desire to solve larger and larger problems that she knows less and less about.

    The unusual thing about her is that stupid people don’t like to work with her. They just want her to fix the problem and go away. But she is so thorough as to be efficient in her solution that people are turned off by her need to now ALL of the information. The truth is, she is such an amazing worker that I spend probably half of my work time handling more menial work and shielding her from having to deal with stuff that would be a waste of her skill set. I also spend a lot of time explaining to others how her elegant solutions work. She is always so thorough that people don’t want to sit through her explanations. So I often put things into layman’s terms for those not capable of understanding or who simply do not have the time to learn to understand.
    SHE is the ideal work from home candidate. Working in the office will only slow her down.

    Now, I, on the other hand, make sure I go into the office at least once every two weeks to let them know I still exist. :P

  185. Libturd says:

    3b,

    Not only did the pandemic drive WFH, but it also drove massive improvement in collaborative teamwork applications as well as dramatically increased the value of cloud storage. Before Covid, it was mainly Zoom and BigIP for us WFHomers. Now the list of tools are endless and the capabilities are so drastically improved that I actually believe we have become more productive online than in person. For example, so much more information has to be documented and the conversations around them are recorded. When we used to meet in person, there was way too much reliance on handouts and your ability to memorize everything that was presented verbally. Now, I just review the recording which has gone from just audio to everything one could ever need!

  186. 3b says:

    Lib: I agree. The technological improvements for us over the past year or so has been dramatic. I initially thought Microsoft Teams was a bit of a distraction but have come to appreciate all its capabilities including file sharing. We are more productive as defined by every data point we utilize. Zoom can be exhausting at times, but then I think about that crappy commute and it’s all good. We also have hard stop times, and that helps. The whole got to be seen thing and play the game is not something the millennials are into from what I can see. It’s a blessing not to be constantly interrupted. Yesterday, a miserable day and I banged out a ton of work. I love the flexibility of WFH. I understand it’s not for everyone, and some may be struggling, but everyone I know has embraced it; especially the millennials. It’s no longer abstract it’s here to stay whether it’s fully remote for some or a hybrid combination.

  187. BRT says:

    You could probably superimpose that WFH graph onto ARK’s ytd chart.

  188. Fabius Maximus says:

    WFH will always be different things for different roles. I was talking to one of our HR reps on how the new batch of grad recruits were handling remote working and the answer was “Surprisingly well!” I think the likes of Office365, zoom Google Meet allow d work to continue. 10 years ago that would not have been possible.
    For me unless I switch companies, I’m not going back in. My boss is in a different state anyway so I saw hike once a month at best. Most of my work is with staff overseas, so I am perfectly suited for remote work. As for visibility in the office, it will be different. Just liken people in here have an online presence, that’s what you are going to have to cultivate. What’s the point of being in the office if you have to impress me and. I am never there and always online.

    Yes things are going to get more results orientated. Just make sure you are ahead of that curve and know how the metrics they are measuring you by work.

    Google teacher support was a lifeline for educators and kept a lot of classrooms moving. It was not ideal and had a lot of teething issues. It is here to stay. Welcome to your new Snow Day routine. My kids school had a plan to open a few new locations in the next few years. While that will still happen, they are opening a fully virtual school. Their in class policy for this year is Mandatory masks and a vaccine card gets you out of the weekly testing that they did for everyone last year.

  189. 3b says:

    Fab: You touch on another topic I have addressed as we this past year. Geographic considerations or in corporate speak geographically agnostic as to where the position is filled. My boss will also be in a different office , and the rest of my highly specialized team will also be split into several offices. So even when we might go back none of us will be in the same office and will need to Zoom when we have to meet. What’s the point of being in the office?

  190. Fabius Maximus says:

    3b

    Yes it comes down to visibility and relevance. You need to show you justify those six figures. I love this time of year. I take vacation and my management and colleagues find out what exactly I being to the table. WFH allows me to log in later and do some controlled burns an a few Forrest fires that have sprung up while I have been out.

    My best advice for people these days is not to fight change but embrace it. Be there at the front cheerleading and trying to make it happen. Management have made the decision already. If if it fails, you’ll get points for effort. If it works you get a chance to steer it in the direction it needs to go.

  191. 3b says:

    Agreed all around. I would add to your point it is working we are 18 months into it , and it’s working or at least for most.

  192. leftwing says:

    “one of my last projects at my old gig was working with the testing facilitators on that at-home covid test”

    grim, what is a ‘testing facilitator’?

  193. leftwing says:

    “For example, I have a dream worker…”

    So…schooled at a top university in the arts, self-taught coding, great at problem solving, driven by passion and not money, super intelligent….

    Fcuk WFH.

    She single?

  194. Grim says:

    https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/murphy-orders-vaccination-requirement-for-all-nj-state-workers-including-at-public-colleges.html

    Well there you go, all state workers, all teachers and school staff.

    Will municipalities follow?

  195. Ex says:

    John Oliver has what is the best, most concise and infuriating look at Afghanistan.

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