Never bet against NYC

From Bloomberg:

New York City Has Once Again Defied the Doomsayers. Here’s Why.

New York City is emerging as one of the world’s most resilient big cities in the wake of the pandemic. The secret to its success is more than just its size — it’s the Big Apple’s model of urbanism that offers something no other American metropolis can match.

New York was the first big city in the country to be hit hard by Covid-19. Immediately, people began predicting that the pandemic would trigger a backlash against dense urban living. A wave of murder and violence that followed the mid-2020 Black Lives Matter protests  added weight to this glum forecast — the end of America’s urban revival was at hand. 

For some cities like San Francisco, the exodus does seem real — at least for now. But Gotham defied the doomsayers in spectacular fashion. An analysisof cell phone data showed that more people moved to the New York City metropolitan area during the pandemic than moved out. Young people are especially eager to move in.

In fact, recent data shows that the appeal of New York has been vastly understated over the past few years. Mid-decade U.S. Census estimates during the 2010s had shown the city’s population peaking and beginning to fall, but when the official 2020 Census numbers came in, it turned out that New York had actually been gaining population. So much for that mass exodus. 

How did New York City remain such a popular destination despite all its formidable challenges, and despite the fact that it isn’t in the booming Sun Belt? Economists’ go-to explanations are called agglomeration and industrial clustering effects:  basically, big cities tend to stay big, and rich cities tend to stay rich. New York is the home of many high-value industries, among them finance and publishing. Those industries keep a large, well-educated population of knowledge workers in the area, which draws in other companies — most recently, tech firms.

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216 Responses to Never bet against NYC

  1. Fast Eddie says:

    Queue pumkin head in 3…2…1

  2. Fabius Maximus says:

    Juice, call a lawyer to clean your DNS lookups, that’s priceless. Eddie Ray can show up to your door like Winston Wolf to clean up your Pr0n searches.

    Have a read of the filing. There is no suggestion that the underlying data is false. Just a discussion on how they can defend against allegations of spoofing.

    https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/3203e975-c59b-42f1-b3c8-8a07e33b01d8/note/9901e223-403a-47ce-93e0-1d78a5ff6627.#page=1

    Overall this case is going nowhere. Give it six months and it will be dropped.

  3. grim says:

    FDA hasn’t always followed the advice of its committee, it’s a non binding vote by the scientists if they vote no expect the White House to still announce 3rd shots for people over 65.

    Juice – really, they don’t need to approve anything at this point, doctors are already prescribing off-label. My mother-in-law recovering from cancer/chemo, got her 3rd dose this week. We’re dosing 3rd shots at 2k doses a day in NJ.

  4. Juice Box says:

    Fab – When they make the movie about it they can get Tom Cruise to reprise his role as a lawyer from the 1993 movie The Firm…

  5. Juice Box says:

    I am aware of that Grim, it’s the political angle. Joe’s speech was written already..

  6. Grim says:

    So Sears is finally closing their last store in Illinois. I used to go in there like Grim and mess with the Commodore 64 computers too..

    Was it really that long ago?

    On another note, I visited the Sears HQ a few years back. Temple built for another time. Hoffman Estates.

    I still say the Sears Home Services business is a gem. Amazon was stupid not to buy it. They could have owned the appliance market and killed Best Buy. Idiots at Sears going to let it rot until it’s worthless.

  7. Nomad says:

    For those that left the area, Fl and Philly were popular.

    Ali Wolf
    @AliWolfEcon 18h
    Just talked to our FL experts, including @Kristine_Smale
    , about what they are seeing on the ground. The biggest wow was a big builder in SE FL put $550K in their pro forma for a community 2 years ago and are now selling the homes for $900K. Builder said 50%+ of sales from the NE

  8. Grim says:

    SHS is the largest active network of appliance installation and repair technicians in the US, hell, the entire world. One of the largest field services teams (think truck rolls) outside of the cable industry. Every appliance manufacturer that sells in the US has a direct line to these guys.

  9. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Hey dummy, did you read the part that the traffic didn’t originate from trumps servers? It originated from an email marketing company that trump hotels uses. Eg constant contact, Mail chimp

    In other words, it was all made up. The whole Russia hoax.

  10. Juice Box says:

    BTW – Fab it was Hillary’s October Surprise against Trump their campaign went to the NY Times. When the NY Times refused to run the story, as their own people said there was nothing to it. Allot of angry calls were made to the former chairman of Pravda Arthur Ochs Sulzberger for not running their manufactured conspiracy STORY.. and a week later Trump won…

    Instead they ran this story on Halloween October 31st 2006 a week before the election.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

  11. Ex says:

    please, there is so much evidence that Trump is a mentally ill moronic imbecile.
    Let it go. The best thing Trump can do now is to leave the planet in the cold embrace of death.

  12. 3b says:

    The Bloomberg Article more like a rah rah cheerleader article, telling everyone to come back. Mid- town is still empty and downtown as well. As for the well educated talented workforce that’s true, they are just WFH now.
    But companies are hiring further afield now. WFH , and geographically agnostic hiring decisions are not going away.

  13. Juice Box says:

    Ex – History is littered with sore losers like Hillary in 2016 and Trump in 2020…I am just glad to see some Justice is being done..

    Trump will get his time. NY AG Letitia James is on the case…she will nail him this time she swears, unless she runs for governor of NY. Lol…

  14. Juice Box says:

    Lampert was going to sell SHS and hit the road for good.. Pandemic seems to have messed that up too.

  15. 3b says:

    Juice: Give it up Buddy, no matter what their side does the left will tortuously defend it, no matter how irrational. In other instances they will just ignore it. It’s wrong when the right does not , it’s justified or ignored when the left does it. If it’s wrong it’s wrong and people should call it as such regardless of their politics. Neither side will do that and the toxic environment remains.

  16. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Indictments, even convictions, and justice are two different things. I put the chances of justices at zero. The swamp will protect its own.

  17. Juice Box says:

    3b – MTA numbers this week still down 50%.. Remember they are a zombie now but are continued to be transfused with federal money in the hopes like Jesus they will rise from the dead.

    The pandemic transfusion well is going to run dry this year too an unless the fares come back or they increase them from $2.75 a swipe to like $8 on anyone that rides today..

    Wednesday, 9/15/21 2,898,927 -51.2%

    Tuesday, 9/14/21 2,933,636 -50.3%

    Monday, 9/13/21 2,776,211 -51.1%

  18. 3b says:

    Juice: Lampert was never interested in running department stores, he bought Sears/ KMart for the perceived value of the real estate just as on line shopping was starting to get popular. The old Sears in Paramus is Stew Leonard’s now and the one in Hackensack one of the oldest Sears in the country recently closed. I am guessing that one May be converted to apartments.

  19. Juice Box says:

    3b – I am actually a bit shocked that Biden’s Attorney General allowed Hillary’s Lawyer to be indicted. But them I remembered there was no love between Sleepy Joe and Hillary, his reportedly icy relationship with her goes back decades..

  20. 3b says:

    Juice: My Brother lives in the city and goes into the office everyday, he hates WFH ( a certain someone would love him), although he now likes WFH on Fridays, but has no intention of doing any more days at home. He says his office is empty, streets are pretty empty and there are closed retail stores everywhere. He has not seen any significant turnaround although better than it was. He also says his friends and neighbors in his building are all WFH and most of them like it. And would like to remain WFH even with their offices in the city. My Brother loves NYC and will never leave. He hates the suburbs NJ in particular, a vast suburban sterile wasteland that gives him a headache, although he does like Montclair, but says it’s too quiet at night.

  21. 3b says:

    Juice: Maybe Hillary thinks Biden is an intellectual lightweight. If the rumors are to be believed that is how Obama and his advisors described Biden.

  22. 3b says:

    Juice: 5 cars in the train parking lot today. 3 to 5 seems to be the daily numbers.

  23. Juice Box says:

    3b – I don’t miss the Ambulances, cop cars, fire trucks etc in Manhattan in middle of the night. My last place in NYC was across from the now closed St Vincent’s hospital. I was there recently the amount of closed bars and restaurants is really sad to see. The costs of renting a space and opening a successful business in NYC is astronomical. Even now those closed businesses will remain shuttered. The landlords simply cannot lower rents for any reason the CMBS that backs many of these commercial properties have covenants that prevent the lowering of the rent, so they will stay empty perhaps forever..

  24. Ex says:

    Downside of WFH and any other Corp job:
    If you are productive they’ll pile more and more work on you.

  25. Ex says:

    Trump did more damage to this Country than anyone else in history.

  26. Juice Box says:

    Ex – What does that mean exactly? How many wars did he start? How much American Blood and Treasure did he cost us? It was no where near what POTUS 44 and 43 did.. Those two left a trail of death and destruction worldwide that will continue to resonate for decades…The orange clown will be barely a footnote…

  27. 3b says:

    Ex: Nothing to do with Trump, it’s the fact he lied. That is wrong and cannot be qualified.

  28. chicagofinance says:

    Beyond Meat is not a health food. It’s junk. It is optimized around not having meat in it, not being healthy…… complete waste of time….

    Juice Box says:
    September 17, 2021 at 7:46 am
    Meat is back on the Menu boys…

    Most of the supermarkets by me no longer prominently display the Beyond Meat products.. Other than the novelty of trying these faux burgers and sausages is anyone buying Beyond Meat products regularly? Nationwide sales are approx 100 million a quarter…

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    It’s such a blanket statement from a leftist still praying for utopia. When their ideas fail repeatedly, hope turns to despair. They left HATES the fact that Trump had a lot of success while anything or anyone they front is fraud.

  30. No One says:

    Biden in his prime was an intellectual lightweight and poser. His real strength was as an unprincipled dealmaker which his fans generously described as “bipartisan” but which really mean that he’d do deals with whomever paid him. His last deal was to pretend to be president in return for submitting to whatever the Democratic Party tells him to do. Some might say he sold his soul to the devil but he never really had a soul to sell.

    I’d love to see a Weekend Update hosted by Norm Macdonald in his prime going after today’s Pres Biden. Reviewing clips of Macdonald slamming the Clintons (as well as OJ and Michael Jackson) on SNL makes me misty-eyed. Somehow SNL fellated Obama for 8 years and then bitched and moaned about Trump for 4 years without ever cumulatively being as funny as Norm could be in one episode.

  31. chicagofinance says:

    I disagree. In fact, he indirectly proved how strong the checks and balances are in the federal government. In a way he provided a real time stress test of the system. His long term impact will likely be the coarsening of political discourse in the country. Once a new threshold has been established, you can never go back.

    If anything, he damaged the cohesiveness of the Republican party, and gave legitimacy to groups of people who are politically worthless. If you are a Democrat, Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. I am so relieved that he has been excluded from the mainstream media.

    Ex says:
    September 17, 2021 at 9:43 am
    Trump did more damage to this Country than anyone else in history.

  32. Libturd says:

    On the 10 PRINT from yesterday.

    On the simple infinite loop front, who didn’t fukc with every computer on display in every store. The tradition continues with kids today, only it’s figuring out how to circumvent the watchdog programs on hotel business center computers so they can figure out how to play the latest war games there.

    As for earliest computers we got our hands on, when I was 8 years old, they rolled a dumb terminal into our classroom in elementary school in East Brunswick. It was plugged into a four prong outlet and had a thermal printer. I think it was a DEC VT100(?) with a crude green and black display. I astounded my elementary school teacher when I programmed an arrow to appear to move left and right across the screen with a simple loop in BASIC that added one character of space wider than the ascii screen could display for 30 or lines and then one less for 30 or so lines and then repeating both infinitely. Teacher thought I was Einstein. She had no clue I had a Trash-80 in my basement. Oh how I despised that cassette recorder to record and load my programs, but the floppy drive was like $600 and the hard drive cost like $75K. Remember kids, you could buy the average car for $4K back then. That TRS-80 with floppy drive in ’77 was like a $5,500 purchase in today’s dollars. My dad managed a Radio Shack at the time, so he probably borrowed it. ;) Best of all, that computer had 8K of RAM. I would constantly run out of memory but the 32K model was a bloody fortune.

    I don’t know if I ever shared this story, but the reason I didn’t end up a coder was due to a crime I committed in high school. I took AP-Pascal and it was an incredibly difficult class. Rather than figure out the assignments, I figured out how to copy my classmates’ work (and then change a few string names) from their directories as we were still on dumb terminals. It wasn’t hard. I sent a request to Data General Corporation for their networking manual and it clearly showed how permissions were programmed. Well for sh1ts and giggles, I got my hands on a Hayes 300 bit modem. Lo and Behold, my tiny bank, Axia Federal Savings, which had 4 branches in total, located in all of the local shopping malls, used the same Data General Corp. networking system. Well for the fun of it, I hacked into my passbook savings account and added $5 to it. At the time, my account might have had like $20 in it so I figured the tiny amount wouldn’t be that big of a deal. Well when I made the next transaction in person, the $5 discrepancy was investigated by the bank like I broke into Fort Knox.

    In exchange for not being prosecuted, I had to give up the modem and promise I would not use another modem until I was 18 to keep the incident off of my juvi record. My parents took away all of my computer stuff and I was left with an Atari 2600 and a Sega Master system. Once I got into college, I got hooked on MUDs and did network a bit with Marc Andreessen of Mosaic/Netscape fame over the best graphic formats for a non-text based browser. At the time, all of my online friends were busy registering every domain name they could find with the internet registry since it was free. I told them they were all wasting their time. They all made 6 or 7 figures from selling these names. I was hooked on WYSWYG and especially how it pertained to imagesetter output and image separations for offset print. This was right around the time that the Apple LC-2 was released which finally let you see printable color on screen. Before then, you could color objects in the code, but they did not appear on screen in color.
    I remember when the first version of Quark Xpress came out, their color separations were in the negative and caused huge upheaval in the service bureau world where magazine producers were flummoxed about this technology which was in it’s infancy. Before then, magazine shot pasted up displays using a camera and color filters to produce the film they used to burn the plates for printing presses. Digital film output eliminated the need for cameras and paste-up. It also allowed multiple people in multiple locations to work on the same magazine simultaneously. So everyone switched rapidly but their film separations were coming out in the negative in one color channel only which completely screwed up 4-color process printing for a few months. Those were the days. And now you all know how I got into printing and abandoned coding.

    Juice,

    My best friend had an Apple II also. Do you remember the guys who reproduced classical music with the sounds of the printhead of their dot-matrix printer? Countless hours were wasted playing Ultima and Wolfenstein too. I still here that annoying, “Haus Pass!” in my head, which the German guards would utter as you entered each room.

    Then there were those terrible static p0rn images.

  33. Grim says:

    Awesome story.

    Hey / who was your tree guy, my brother needs somebody to clean a tree that fell last storm.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s called retirees. Aka snowbirds. You know, people trying their damn best to not pay their fair share. It is what it is.

    Nomad says:
    September 17, 2021 at 8:52 am
    For those that left the area, Fl and Philly were popular.

    Ali Wolf
    @AliWolfEcon 18h
    Just talked to our FL experts, including @Kristine_Smale
    , about what they are seeing on the ground. The biggest wow was a big builder in SE FL put $550K in their pro forma for a community 2 years ago and are now selling the homes for $900K. Builder said 50%+ of sales from the NE

  35. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just like never bet against Musk….never bet against NYC. Said it over and over again, but no one listened.

  36. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just accept that NYC is not going to die. And once this virus is under control, they will all go back to work in the city because they actually want to feel alive.

    I’m so much happier since I started going into work in person. WFH sucks. Sucks the life right out of you. Maybe if you are old and hate people, it’s cool, but otherwise, it’s wasting your life away all alone in your house.

    3b says:
    September 17, 2021 at 9:09 am
    The Bloomberg Article more like a rah rah cheerleader article, telling everyone to come back. Mid- town is still empty and downtown as well. As for the well educated talented workforce that’s true, they are just WFH now.
    But companies are hiring further afield now. WFH , and geographically agnostic hiring decisions are not going away.

  37. Libturd says:

    The only real success Trump had was to rile up the masses of asses. This, he was very good at. His list of successes that are so often shared by his devotees here are all partisan garbage and mostly ended up as failures. The fact we had to listen to his non-stop lies both in social media as well as the real media only made his term that much more painful.

    As ChiFi alluded to. Once a new line is drawn, there’s no going back. Sadly, the new MO of both parties has now become to invent a lie and repeat it over and over until the mASSES consider it truth. The latest example of this was the hardly newsworthy cutting off of Biden while he was explaining the finer nuances of how he planned to deal with the forest fires in California. It starts with a non-event that through conjecture is turned into a narrative. Then the soulless Trump bootlickers try to give it creedence through sessions like these. https://youtu.be/EMJbu3VwaqA

    It’s truly an embarrassment to everyone involved in both the synthesis and then the publishing of the lie. But the conspiracy loving, believe anything crowd that Trump turned into a cult eats this clear bullsh1t up. This is not news. This is marketing. This is dangerous to the republic.

    Met with my parents in person for the first time in about three years yesterday. My dad absolutely can not stand DeSantis. DeSantis is the litmus test for the success of this continued Trump methodology of uttering lies repeatedly until they become believed by the deplorables.

    The Right has been completely screwed by Trump. Enjoy his successes.

  38. Libturd says:

    Grim,

    Trusty Tree. Get three prices from others. Then tell Trusty that the best price you got was about $500 lower than the lowest quote given. Then tell them you’ll pay cash. Remember, they have their own crane which makes it cheaper for them than most outfits.

  39. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Really awesome story. I do remember the Image Writer printer and people playing music on those printers and endless hours loading from tape recorders. My Commodore 64 had a tape recorder, boy was it slow.. What was special about the Apple II was the floppy disk drives really, it made all the difference..

    Dual Floppy with a dot matrix printer and you were the king of the neighborhood, as you could copy games and pass them around, trick with Apple II copy protection was the non-standard sector marker a decoy added that would load and the game code would display a message about copy protection etc.

  40. Libturd says:

    Couldn’t you trim a whole on the side of the floppy disk so it would copy? I remember doing this. A little notch, maybe 2 inches down the left hand side.

  41. Libturd says:

    A hole. Sorry.

  42. 3b says:

    Pumps: I never said NYC was going to die. I said it was going to have to become more competitive and that is a fact. If WFH sucks the life out of you, then you have no life as simple a that. As for your statement that all will be going back to the city and working in the office and you can sit back in your house in Wayne and rest easy you are delusional. You don’t work in corporate America and you simply don’t understand what we do and how we do it. The millennials with families want WFH for the improvement in their quality of life, period. If you actually knew any and talked with them you might be able to understand that. But it’s clear you don’t know any. Your selfishness wants everyone back in the office in some perverse notion that it will keep commercial real estate prices high. We all know that. You want people to have the stress of a commute and trying to get to and from day care on time, while you are a short car ride from home to school and home at 3:00 and your summers off and all your other days off. Very, very selfish on your part. And you are always going on about creative destruction well WFH is creative destruction grasshopper. The old schleping on a commuter train into the office 5 days a week is antiquated. Finally, why don’t we hear about all your friends and family who are in corporate America, and hate WFH and can’t wait to return to the office. I find that very telling.

  43. Juice Box says:

    Here is some 4 AM Apple II Crack.. courtesy of the internet archive…

    Dig Dug, Ultima, Wolfenstein and even a teenage boys delight Strip Poker. Just keep scrolling down..

    All playable..in your brower lol… Just click the game image.

    https://archive.org/details/apple_ii_library_4am

  44. Juice Box says:

    Lib yes trim the disk, lots of hacks back then. I believe it was Woz himself that came up with that method to prevent copying…

  45. Libturd says:

    THe Commodore 64 and Vic20 were hugely popular due to the price. The games sucked on it, which was their downfall IMO. Plus, their DOS (for lack of a better term) was so proprietary. It was like learning a whole new language. I never got hooked on it.

    On the other hand, the Commodore stock my dad owned went on a fantastic run. These were the days that the only way to get a stock quote was to watch it run across the ticker on the bottom of a financial news network. Or just wait for the Times or Journal the next morning. It was probably like a 6-bagger or so for my dad, but I was hooked on stock investing.

  46. Libturd says:

    My god Juice.

    Why’d you have to show me that site. I think I played at least three quarters of those games.

  47. Juice Box says:

    Lib – I love the The Internet Archive they are now celebrating 25 years!!

    Here is a quick tweet and video about it…

    https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/1438606052291842062?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

  48. BRT says:

    badmouth WFH and then invest in an ETF who’s major holdings include Teladoc and Zoom

  49. BRT says:

    CDC now sounding the alarm about obesity increasing the past 2 years. Really? Ya think! Specifically, they site children. I saw this first hand when my kids played spring sports. All the 8 year olds were completely winded and gasping for air running around the bases. I’m seeing it in a bunch of the kids in soccer now.

  50. Juice Box says:

    BRT – yes obesity due to WFH..

    Even Spiderman works from home now. Here is his lastest glam shot.

    https://tinyurl.com/4p8h53pd

  51. The Great Pumpkin says:

    You are by yourself all day. What does this have to do with your personal life? If you want to be home alone all day and everyday, then you have no life. Simple as that.

    “If WFH sucks the life out of you, then you have no life as simple a that.”

  52. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And I will continue to invest in said ETF. The future is office most of the week, and then friday at home. Of course, some people will be totally remote like they always have. Not everyone likes people or can handle being around people, but they are a slim minority.

    BRT says:
    September 17, 2021 at 10:53 am
    badmouth WFH and then invest in an ETF who’s major holdings include Teladoc and Zoom

  53. SmallGovConservative says:

    Re: ‘Never bet against NYC’ …From Bloomberg:

    As noted by 3b, this is a wishful thinking opinion piece from one of a handful of lightweight, leftist Bloomberg Opinion writers who primarily focus on politics and the economy. This particular piece roughly coincided with Mike’s editorial in which he formally endorsed Eric Adams and hoped the city would see better days ahead.

    Fact is, NYC is shattered (to borrow a term)! Far more devastating than COVID itself has been the eight years of gross malfeasance of the DeBlasio admin, with the past year and half of heavy-handed government dictates, handed down without any concern for the economic well-being of the city or it’s thousands of small businesses, being the final nail in the coffin for many of them. Being in midtown once a week, I can tell you that the street scene is worse than when I began working there in the early 90’s — large swaths of sidewalks and storefronts, un-policed and effectively abandoned by landlords and small businesses taken over by groups of shirtless, wild-haired addicts sprawled on the sidewalk or slumped in broken office chairs that they pulled from the trash. NYC’s comeback will not be easy.

    Here are some of the leftist hacks that pump out almost daily pro-Dem propaganda pieces for Bloomberg Opinion…

    Noah Smith is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist. He was an assistant professor of finance at Stony Brook University

    Jonathan Bernstein is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering politics and policy. He taught political science at the University of Texas at San Antonio and DePauw University

  54. grim says:

    Speaking of criming while white (nerdily).

    So almost nearly got in trouble for bootlegging 128kb Mac EPROMS and selling them on forums and craigslist. This is when Mac clones were popular, but you couldn’t legally buy them with the ROMs needed to actually be a Mac. Found someone who had a Mac at the time, and begged my father to use his copier at work to clone chips for me. I remember selling the pairs $100. Apple wasn’t pleased, but really, I was 14 and figured it out. Hell, companies were selling ROM-less Mac clones and plug-in emulators (PC and Amiga) knowing full well someone was going to copy the rom to make those things useful.

    Could have probably been copying Nintendo and Sega cartridges as the same time.

  55. BRT says:

    prior to Covid, I took my kids to the city to see a Christmas jazz concert. Seeing the trainwreck on the streets and Penn station made me declare, I’m not going back. It’s gotten much much worse since then.

    If you watch movies in the 80s, there’s always nonsense going on in the subways. At the end of crocodile dundee, the female character encounters a would be assaulter out in the open in front of everyone as she heads to the train. Was it really that bad?

  56. 3b says:

    BRT: It was really that bad. I was on the 6 train, and in the car ahead of mine, someone pulled s gun I’m the morning rush hour and shot and another person. It was chaos between 86 to 59 th street express as everyone ran from one car into the next to get away from the guy. Long story short he got off at 59 th street and ran. As far as I know the guy was never caught. That’s how I started my work day that day!

  57. Libturd says:

    The 70s and and early 80s were pretty bad. I remember my bad telling me that if your car breaks down, don’t abandon it to get help. Just wait as long as it takes for a cop to come. I never witnessed any crime on the subway back then, but lots more crazy people. So many more that my parents actually taught us to stand near the stairs and never near the platform edge for fear of being pushed. You hear of these pushers nearly weekly on the news again.

  58. 3b says:

    Pumps: It will be exactly the reverse mostly WFH and 1 to 2 days in the office. I say that based on what I know for a fact is going on at many firms that are structuring WFH policies. You state it will be mostly office based on nothing other than it’s what you want. Do you see the difference child? As for being alone all day says who you? We have Zoom meetings , phone calls. Yes no other people around, but the productive people don’t spend their time BS ing the office all day. And then bitching about how much work they have.

  59. 3b says:

    Lib: My brother as I have said lives and works in NYC and of course is there every day. He said it is as bad as the 80s and in some respects worse. Cops turn a blind eye to a lot of it, as they have been instructed to.

  60. Juice Box says:

    NYC Subway a trip through time I mean crime, at one point it was so bad there was a subway crimes court inside the Times Square station..

    We aren’t there yet hundreds of felonies a day on just the trains..

  61. 3b says:

    Fairlawn HS teacher, female charged with having sex with a minor. What is with some of these teachers; and it seems to be more women lately.

  62. chicagofinance says:

    re NYC: this kind of stuff is unique to 2020/2021 and out of control
    https://nypost.com/2021/09/16/philippe-chow-diners-fled-as-shots-rang-out-footage-shows/

  63. 3b says:

    Juice: Could not walk through Bryant Park in the day time!!

  64. grim says:

    Bonfire of the Vanities.

    Mid-40s, I’m too young to remember the worst of it, but I for sure knew the tail end of it.

  65. chicagofinance says:

    2021 is different than the 1970’s/1980’s that I grew up in.

    The essence of the modern NYC is still there, it is just been sh!tted upon for the last 8 years with a huge falloff in the last 2. In the 1970’s & 1980’s, there was just so much to do…. it was a huge sea change that was needed. Right now there just has to be the will of government to change. If the decision was made to clean up, NYC would be back within 6-12 months. That is the major difference…..

  66. chicagofinance says:

    Just realize how much active surveillance there is in NYC….. cameras and security…. police in the 1970’s/80’s/90’s would have killed for this type of information.

    Given the tools at NYC’s disposal, it is ridiculous that any of this garbage is happening.

    Serial and recidivist criminals…… think about that one…. remove one criminal and prevent 25-50 crimes of all manner…. so easy and stright forward to do… no will to do it.

  67. BRT says:

    Can we bring back the fireworks vendors on canal street if we are going back to the 80s NYC? At least have some benefit to it.

  68. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I simply agree to disagree. You know my position. You can write it off as I know nothing, or you can actually give me the benefit of the doubt based on my track record. I am simply using logic. If you think the majority of workers are going to be WFH, then you do not understand the human species. Yes, a small minority of humans like to be alone, but most enjoy being around other human beings. It’s why we form families and get into relationships. Again, some people are not into relationships or working with people, but they are the slim minority.

    Just look at what happens when someone retires and sits in their home all day by themselves…they quickly become a vegetable and die. It’s a proven fact that being around other people makes you live longer…hell, it’s proven a dog will add years to your life. It’s no good to be anti-social for most people. It quickly deteriorates their mental health and well being.

    3b says:
    September 17, 2021 at 11:29 am
    Pumps: It will be exactly the reverse mostly WFH and 1 to 2 days in the office. I say that based on what I know for a fact is going on at many firms that are structuring WFH policies.

  69. 3b says:

    Chgo: NYC would be back, but still very different in many respects.

  70. grim says:

    Can we bring back the fireworks vendors on canal street if we are going back to the 80s NYC? At least have some benefit to it.

    BEEEEG DAMAGE YOU BLOW UP CAAAH.

    That was the last time I bought fireworks from a basement in Chinatown, pretty sure he sold us demolition explosives.

  71. 3b says:

    Pumps: stop it with your track record and the human species. There is no agree to disagree, you babble on, I am telling you how things are evolving. You would not last in corporate America, and you would be completely stressed out if you had to rush and drop your kid in day care, and catch a train, work all day, rush out of the office , hope your trains not delayed, pick the kid up, rush home, feed them, bathe them, check home work, maybe an hour of quality time if that , put them to bed. And rinse and repeat for 5 days. I know lots of people who have had to do this. It’s miserable, and they will tell you that. I never had to do that, and I have empathy for them, as opposed to yourself. You have a cushy life, and should appreciate it, rather than demand everyone go back to the office for your own selfish reasons.

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    Trump wasn’t a politician, thank G0d. The world feared us, Arab nations were talking with Israel, we had energy independence, the economy was flying until Covid hit and 9 months later we had a vaccine. He was what we needed and the establishment and l1berals hated him for it. It was tangible stuff unlike the rhetoric the left calls truth and the stuff some of you are spewing here.

  73. Juice Box says:

    It was Giuliani who snuffed out NYC fireworks dealers, they were at one point brazenly selling them out of trunks of cars by the Holland and Lincoln tunnel entrances.. I had a small stash of legally purchased fireworks this year from a friendly state, and driven here by my FIL. I have a few blockbusters that I won’t deploy as well I live here and cannot lite them and run away!!!

  74. BRT says:

    Juice, one guy at canal street sold 50 ft extra wick for 3 dollars. You had all the time you needed.

  75. 3b says:

    Juice: We had a guy in the Bronx who sold them every year 0it of the trunk of s big Chevy Impal. Anything you wanted he had, including Ash Cans, Cherry Bombs, and M-50s, along with firecrackers, Roman candles and sparklers for the kids. When the 4th of July was over, my neighborhood looked like a war zone, with all the remnants of the fire works blowing around in the street. Some of the older kids used to throw ash cans /cherry bombs off the roofs of the apartment buildings, very dangerous of course! We were a tough bunch growing up in the Bronx, back in the day.

  76. 3b says:

    Actually I think they were called M-80s.

  77. JCer says:

    Juice, on memory is cheap, it has been for the last decade and probably even longer provided you weren’t using proprietary unix servers, I mean IBM used to mark up disks 6x times their actual cost for p-series machines and relied on all kinds of shenanigans to prevent off the shelf disks from being used. 64 GB sticks of server memory are $350 today, even back in the day buying memory was cheaper than hiring more developers. So today a terabyte of ram is less than 10k. A decade ago my workstation had 64gb of ram. There was a short period where it was a huge problem, pretty much the weblogic on sparc years from ~1997-2004, towards 2007-8 when people started using G1 and much more ram things improved a lot. If you think weblogic was bad you haven’t seen anything IBM and their websphere was the worst. We used to refer to “WebSphere Studio Application Developer”(WSAD) as We Sad, running that POS on a 32 bit machine was not fun.

    As for NYC, I don’t think we are at the 80’s. I remember as a kid my father being mugged multiple times, it was very common for people to be mugged at odd hours in the most populated parts of Manhattan. Even today in Newark muggings aren’t as common as they were in midtown in the 80’s.

  78. 3b says:

    Jcer: We are getting there.

  79. Juice Box says:

    Jcer – Memory lane… I am certifiable on IBM WebSphere since 1998, was trained by IBM as part of their partner programs.. I have seen and ran allot of java on everything hardware and OS platforms virtual, hyper converged, multiple clouds etc. JBOSS, Weblogic, Websphere, Apache, Glassfish lol.. Stuff I worked on is still running. I had an old client reach out a few two years ago about some encryption we put in on some credit card processing system back in the mid 2000s that was being retired, process was moving from onsite process to a cloud vendor and data no longer being stored etc. They wanted to know how secure the data on backups etc was and what the was used. Answer was Bouncy Castle…

  80. Juice Box says:

    Also – As far as memory cost. I was speaking of the costs of the hyper conve*rged systems. EMC HCI , Nu*tanix, VM*ware etc….

    Damm the spam filter….might need to nuke it Grim..

  81. Juice Box says:

    Just got an invite to see Brian Kirk and the Jirks tonight at Count Basie and another one to see the Black Crows at PNC tomorrow..

    I have an 8 am soccer game in town tomorrow and another early game Sunday for the my son’s Travel team…

    Can I hire someone to take my kids to soccer? Would that be wrong? Go Partying for two days and nights?

  82. BRT says:

    Juice,

    I know people that hire them to do it the entire kid’s childhood

  83. BRT says:

    Wasn’t Bernie Goetz robbed or attempted 4 separate occasions? Maybe we’ll know if we are there yet after the next 3 times Rick Moranis gets knocked out.

  84. The Great Pumpkin says:

    All I’m saying is that for the majority of the population, it’s not healthy to stay at home alone with not much social contact. You can think whatever you want, but I know it’s not healthy. Did you see the WSJ article yesterday blaming the pandemic for the rise in adults throwing tantrums at restaurants, planes, and at home?

    3b says:
    September 17, 2021 at 12:04 pm
    Pumps: stop it with your track record and the human species. There is no agree to disagree, you babble on, I am telling you how things are evolving. You would not last in corporate America, and you would be completely stressed out if you had to rush and drop your kid in day care, and catch a train, work all day, rush out of the office , hope your trains not delayed, pick the kid up, rush home, feed them, bathe them, check home work, maybe an hour of quality time if that , put them to bed. And rinse and repeat for 5 days. I know lots of people who have had to do this. It’s miserable, and they will tell you that. I never had to do that, and I have empathy for them, as opposed to yourself. You have a cushy life, and should appreciate it, rather than demand everyone go back to the office for your own selfish reasons.

  85. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “When the 4th of July was over, my neighborhood looked like a war zone, with all the remnants of the fire works blowing around in the street. Some of the older kids used to throw ash cans /cherry bombs off the roofs of the apartment buildings, very dangerous of course! We were a tough bunch growing up in the Bronx, back in the day.”

    Today you would be arrested, charged with terrorism, be on a no fly list, and spent time in a federal prison.

    Think about that for a moment.

    It’s why I love when Mommies get caught drunk driving in their minivans during after picking up the kids at school. They join MADD, put the sticker on the car, and think no one will notice.

  86. JCer says:

    Juice, in corporate IT a LOT of systems never die. “Hyper converged systems”, LOL, the IT industry continues to develop new ways to separate CIO’s from their money, now that proprietary unix and webservers are a thing of the past they’ve cooked up this tale. So much of the on-premise nonsense is just that, migrate 85-90% to public cloud providers because you simply cannot compete on cost due to their efficiencies of scale. Build your on prem without using lots of proprietary junk. In my experience raw infrastructure is a great solution for most problems and the artificial constraints put in because of restrictive licensing renders almost any and all advantages moot. Technologists also keep reinventing the wheel and often times to little benefit. Java is funny it will never die, it is 21st century Cobol. I tried to move us away from Java on some new builds but got a tremendous amount of push back, even people who are big on the java ecosystem should look at Kotlin. Frankly the vast majority of “web apps” should be running on something like AWS Lambda or Azure functions. Lots of people are still using bouncy castle.

    What kills me is XML, do you remember when XML was used for literally everything, so painful to look at and now we are repeating the same mistakes with JSON/YAML. “It’s Human readable!”, no has pointed out to these people no human is ever reading it and it still inflates data and reduces transmission and processing performance. I’m glad it’s readable but the file is 150gb when it was a 15gb flat file before, the data is a bunch of 32 bit integers or 64 bit float values but each one is stored as text and has a 20 byte tag times 2000(40 kb) attributes times 10 million records(400GB of tag data alone vs. 160GB of binary data basically in this example the JSON file is approx 720GB vs. a thrift file which would be around 160GB) . I’ve been fighting this trend for over a decade now originally advocating against XML and in favor of Hessian and then later against JSON and in favor of Protocol Buffers or Apache Thrift.

    I think I’m betting the IT horse dead here. How about the impending economic disaster in China(Evergrande), will it be contained or have broader lehman like implications? I fear the clouds are circling, will it be the roaring 2020’s like pump has claimed or is recession imminent?

  87. leftwing says:

    “Pumps…You would not last in corporate America…”

    3b, that’s really unfair….

    Rumor is, he guessed the number of sugar packets in a local Starbucks and is in the running for Head of Business Development – Corporate!

    They told him the job is his if he can speculate the number of cups in the local warehouse….

  88. 3b says:

    Pumps: Yes. I read the WSJ article and no surprise the pandemic is affecting some people’s mental health. However, what the reasons are I don’t think it’s because people have to WFH and would all rather be back in the office.

  89. JCer says:

    3b, it’s not the office but it the break down of normal human interactions. For a long while and still to some extent the pattern of our lives changed, we basically were eating, sleeping, and working. All the other stuff we like to do seeing friends and family,dining out, going on vacation, going to live performances, sporting events, etc has stopped and we basically have gotten monotony. All the conversations about the mass wave of resignations I think are somewhat related to this, what’s the point of making more money? Being at home has made people realize they don’t need this sh*t and can live on less. My wife has been called back to the office for a while, it’s not really a positive. Big costs to go in and lets face it more rules, it’s not fun and the things that made going to work fun are not happening, the social aspect has not returned people are distancing, doing zoom calls while sitting on the same d@mn floor! The depression is because of the isolation and monotony WFH vs, the the office doesn’t play to big of a role in my mind.

  90. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Ever wonder how someone becomes “the angry old man” on your block or neighborhood? They stopped socializing and they hate everyone. All they do is sit by themselves and complain. The older people get, the more some become isolated and just hate everything about life. They become depressed and obsessed with negativity. They dream about the good ol days while wasting away whatever time they have left.

    For example, you can complain about a commute, or you can enjoy it. On a train, people watching, seeing the world around you. Too many negative people out there that are obsessed with looking at the negative side instead of the positives.

    It’s not healthy to stay at home so much, not showering, never changing your clothes. It’s just not healthy, but hey, people are their own worst enemies.

  91. leftwing says:

    Advisory panel votes down booster shot for ages 16 and up after six months…considering now booster recommendation for higher age threshold

  92. Juice Box says:

    JCER – Yes faster serialization performance with less overhead…However before the open standard XML text encoding there was lots and lots of proprietary encoding that required a patented algorithm to use and pay a license fee.

    XML is based upon interoperability and openness and no license fees. Signals Conferences of Engineers, W3C Consortium all from the 1990s etc. I did some EDI work too…funny how EDI, proprietary formats, XML and others have and have not all completely given way..

    We cannot go back to proprietary. Just like TCP/IP has more overhead like round trip latency and multiple layers other more efficient ways are going to require paying someone a fee.

  93. Juice Box says:

    Pumps – re: the angry old man… That is because his wife is still alive. Just whip out that movie Home Alone. Old Man Marley was Kevin McCallister’s mass murdering neighbor until Kevin got to know him…

    Now go back to grading papers……

  94. 3b says:

    Pumps: Please stop it. You are embarrassing yourself, not that that ever stopped you before. If you are referring to me I am not an angry, and I am older than you although certainly not old. I have a full and rewarding social life, family lots of friends many from my childhood. As well I have traveled to multiple countries in Europe multiple times as well as all over the USA. So no , not the angry old man on the block. And if you think WFH is going to create angry old men or women, then you are just plain stupid.

    As for your ridiculous comment about using the commute to people watch . Are you serious? First of all as I have said to you multiple times , try commuting into NYC on the crappy trains and buses, you would not last. Try rushing to catch your train as you have an appointment, only to get to Hoboken and find a mass of humanity as the trains are delayed for one reason or another. Try leaving your office at 5:30, and strolling in to your house at 8:30, exhausted from the horrible commute. Not rare occurrences happened all the time. Try sitting next to someone who stinks, or is stuffing their face with a hotdog with onions, or the guy who is going to finish his stinky lunch right next to you. Try using the toilet on the train only to go and find it stuffed with crap, and no soap and water to wash your hands. I could go on. And as for people watching who wants to be the weirdo checking out people on the train. Maybe you enjoy it, I think it’s strange.

  95. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Hybrid cloud isn’t going anywhere nor should it. PAAS cloud doesn’t make sense at scale. It will increasingly become too expensive as enterprise workloads are shifted there. So big companies will move them back when they mature.

    My beef with Java is that it’s just slow. My guess is it’s an artifact of the JVM architecture. And it never has a good web framework after JSP. Too much fragmentation in the community. A simple web app would take a 25 file deployment.

    JSON is now a completely bastardized “standard”. The problem is for it to become as robust as xml it has to become xml. It’s simpler to learn and use which is why u think developers prefer it. It will continue to be used anywhere and everywhere whether it makes sense or not. The problem is it’s tight bound in its usage so it lacks the reusability of xml.

  96. Juice Box says:

    re:”IT horse dead here”

    Seems the H-1b crowd have their panties in an uproar on twitter today. It seems Democratic Senator Durbin is not including the provisions they want in the immigration reconciliation like resurrecting unused visas from 1991-2021 and waving the per country caps. They want it of course because well that would mean an additional 800,000 visas magically get resurrected so they can bring their extended family here because well nobody wants to live there people still shit in the streets and all.

  97. 3b says:

    Pumps: And one final point wtf are you to claim people who WFH don’t shower? Do you know that for a fact? If so how do you know? There are people on the train and in the office that stink, it would appear they don’t shower. Seriously, you are a teacher and claim to be a good one, yet you lack any self awareness, absolutely zero and you lack critical thinking skills.

  98. Juice Box says:

    3B – you told me not to waste my time? LoL…

    Leave Pumps alone, he is correct housing only goes up, millennials all want to move to NJ and then commute to NYC on NJ Transit 5 days a week. Taxes should only go up, and you better pony up an exit tax if you plan on leaving NJ with all your capital gains. He cannot live out his days in Arizona if you aren’t paying his NJ pension.

  99. Trick says:

    3b, I haven’t read a pump’s post in over a year. You made me go back and read one, thanks for reminding me why I just pass over them.

  100. Juice BOX says:

    PAAS cloud is a pretty finny animal. At my last gig I worked with ton of vendors who had various different cloud services they offered. You name it they did it and better. Marketing, Logistics, HR, logging, monitoring, legal etc ec and the list goes on on and on. Problem was they needed the data. We had to create and format it for them and send it to them. An entire cottage industry had popped up creating and sending flat files over FTPs and keep it running….lots and lots of operational jobs and an army of H-1B to keep it running.

  101. SmallGovConservative says:

    As we all knew, Biden’s schmucks just fessed-up to droning a family of ten — all so that pathetic Joe could be seen as being tough after causing the death of 13 marines. Beyond pathetic and absolutely contemptable that they would issue the apology as a Friday afternoon news dump! Raise your hand if you’re one of the putzes that voted for this despicable crew.

  102. 3b says:

    Jcer: I don’t argue that. It’s the breakdown away from the work portion of people’s lives. Most productive people want to spend most of their day getting the work done, not hanging out in the kitchen BS ing. If one is doing what they are supposed to be doing they are not spending 3 hours or more socializing. I believe it’s after work that’s the issue, the gym, going out to a bar / restaurant, a concert trip to a museum, whatever. Should one or shouldn’t one with Covid. Just when we thought we were coming out of it, now we have Delta, and it’s back to should or shouldn’t I. Wear the mask don’t wear the mask, they work, they don’t work. Get the booster don’t get the booster, who is lying who is telling the truth, how much longer. I think these are the issues that are stressing people out, not that they are not in the office. Our politicians on both sides are playing politics with it. Additionally, we went from having a lunatic as President to having an old man who is mentally declining. We don’t have anyone on the horizon on either side that might actually be good. Away from the blazing stock market and housing market, I think people have a general malaise, an understanding that as a nation we are in rapid decline. Just my thoughts. I certainly don’t think it’s because of WFH and everyone wishing to be back in the office 5 days a week.
    S

  103. Juice Box says:

    Watching those 10,000 Haitians at the Texas border.. now corralled under the bridge etc…

    They all have interesting stories. Many were taken in by South and Central American countries 5,10, or even 15 years ago. When Biden became President they organized themselves on the internet and all headed north to the Texas border expecting to be let in. Many are there now even after intermarrying with the Brazilians, Panamanians etc who took them in years ago. There are many more who are trying to cross in the desert too, that can end badly.

  104. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Yeah, drone blast a family who works for an ngo just to disrupt the news cycle. The IEDs were water. Pretty ruthless stuff. Bama loved them too.

  105. 3b says:

    Trick: I can certainly understand. I have tried ignoring him, with very limited success. The fact that he continues to post about topics he know nothing about specifically corporate America and WFH pisses me off, and perhaps that’s why he does it. But if he keeps posting crap I am going to call him on it. I know it’s easier to ignore him, but sometimes children need tough love.

  106. BRT says:

    Pumps: And one final point wtf are you to claim people who WFH don’t shower? Do you know that for a fact? If so how do you know? There are people on the train and in the office that stink, it would appear they don’t shower. Seriously, you are a teacher and claim to be a good one, yet you lack any self awareness, absolutely zero and you lack critical thinking skills.

    He has a natural ability to guess these things, just like taco shells.

  107. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Now this is a Unicorn, the real deal. 7.3 bulletproof International. Pre emission. 45k miles. No rust, no rot, spotless. Clean frame (really rare). Club cab.

    This thing is going for big bucks. Currently 25k . I bet this town wishes they had 100 of these.

    https://bit.ly/3tNwhOp

  108. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    A U.S. drone strike in Kabul that killed 10 civilians, including seven children, was conducted after numerous miscalculations by commanders who wrongly believed an aid worker was hauling explosives in his car, defense officials acknowledged Friday, reversing the Pentagon’s earlier adamance that the operation prevented an imminent suicide attack on U.S. forces.

    The Defense Department had previously defended the Aug. 29 operation as a “righteous strike,” saying it tracked a white sedan for hours after the vehicle left a suspected Islamic State-Khorasan safe house. In fact, the driver, Zamarai Ahmadi, was a longtime aid worker for a U.S.-based group and was hauling water cans for his family, officials acknowledged.

    “We now know that there was no connection between Mr. Ahmadi and ISIS-Khorasan, that his activities on that day were completely harmless and not at all related to the imminent threat we believed we faced, and that Mr. Ahmadi was just as innocent a victim as were the others tragically killed,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said in a statement announcing the military’s conclusions. “We apologize, and we will endeavor to learn from this horrible mistake.”

  109. 3b says:

    BRT: He is also is an expert in the human species as he says.

  110. Fast Eddie says:

    The O’Biden administration admitted today that 10 Afghanistan civilians were killed, including 7 children after stating that ISIS-K terr0rists were killed. They lied. But hey, at least the guy who did those mean tweets is out of office. Build back better.

  111. grim says:

    I built customers3rvice.starbucks.com more than a decade ago, still running. Still the same look and feel. Nerd flex.

  112. grim says:

    There’s also a bit of code I wrote to securely pass credit card data to cics terminal transactions on an IBM S/390 (transitioned to z-series) that’s processed billions of dollars of transactions for a well known name, that I won’t mention, because they are still running that archaic back-end. We put it in place when PCI v1.0 had everyone going crazy. My Cobol buddy says it’s still running, he’s making more money coding mainframe now as a contractor than he ever did as an employee. Every day that goes by, he’s more valuable.

  113. Juice Box says:

    Grim – If they are a level one merchant they may no longer be PCI compliant, storing full card numbers in any format encrypted, hashed or otherwise is subject to 220 different security requirements these days. Many companies do it and fudge their audits however.

  114. Ex says:

    5:08 admit it you fetid turd you could not care less about those casualties.
    Just keep trying to make your feeble minded points.

  115. Juice Box says:

    I’ll flex too. We put up this website a decade ago..

    https://partners.bedbath.com

    It’s still running on the same IBM Portal platform with same ugly graphics. One guy maintains it these days same H-1B guy we brought into do some basic operational work. It was moved to a virtual environment but in reality runs some crappy IBM products for content management and electronic forms as well as old jQuery 1.7 etc. All no longer supported by anybody…..

    There are a few other things I have worked on that are still around but most are not public facing..

  116. 3b says:

    Gov Newsom of CA signed measures into law ending single family only zoning in the state with very limited exceptions such as fire prone areas. It will be interesting to see how residents react to this after overwhelming voting to keep him in office. I would imagine some who claim to care about the housing crisis are fuming including those who voted to keep him in office. I can see people trying to convince officials there area is a fire prone area. Going forward a single family house can be purchased and torn down and replaced by a duplex or two family house.

  117. Juice Box says:

    Come to think of it a guy I worked on that website with a decade ago, well his new company just went public on the NASDAQ today.

    I’d better send congratulations.

    https://www.google.com/finance/quote/TWKS:NASDAQ

  118. Bystander says:

    Look out Pine nut farmers. Trump has a hard on for you:

    September 2019: A US drone strike intended to hit an Islamic State hideout killed 30 pine-nut farmers in the Nangarhar province.

    In 2016, Candidate Trump promised to bring troops home immediately and end forever war in Afghanistan. He never did it

    Number of troops killed during Trump’s presidency: 44 (only 13 for Biden)

    Dow has hit record highs signalling the greatest economy in history of mankind. A smart brain used to tweet that.

    One…term…loser.

  119. Juice Box says:

    I am shocked they did not use the Ginsu Knife warhead land sent a high explosive one into that small courtyard surrounded by civilians.

    Washington post analysis…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/kabul-drone-strike-questions/

  120. 3b says:

    Bystander: Trump a one term lunatic, no political experience prior to being President. Biden a nearly 50 year career politician including 8 years as VP, supposed to be a foreign policy expert was head of Senate Foreign Affairs. That in my mind is the difference. I did not vote for either Trump or Biden, but after Trump you would think the Democrats could have given the American people someone other than Biden.

  121. JUice Box says:

    Bystander – 8 years as VP and thousands of deaths including many civilians and women and children from drone strikes. There is no whitewashing Biden’s role when he was 2nd in command.

    Fact is the predator drone is a fixed wing aircraft and it fires it’s Hellfire missile from several kilometers away on an attack angle and uses laser targeting. It is not a bomb that drops straight down like in the movies. The targeting occurs many ways starting with Human Intel. Why someone fingered this guy who was working for a California based NGO delivering food and water we may never know. But we do know there was allot of political pressure to strike back right away, whomever approved the strike there in that tiny courtyard needs to be held accountable.

  122. Bystander says:

    3b,

    I dount any of it is comfort to families. Believe me – I sure wish they had too. He sucks but I will constantly throw back to red hat cult the same sh&t that happened under Orange clown. Projecting mushroom dik’s greatness is easy to dismantle but cult has to believe it true. He lost to a sh%t candidate exactly. Wait, it was fraud. Let’s see Q crowd next week. Some manure to feed them on the way.

    Arizona 2020 ballot review to be made public September 24

  123. Bystander says:

    Juice,

    Sure. Spin it however you want. The right started it, profited of it, f*ed it all up and handed it on steaming platter to every president after…fact. We can’t trust them in office. They are not patriots. Sound good?

  124. 3b says:

    Bystander: You can’t keep throwing it at Trump Obama/ Biden had 8 years to get us out of Afghanistan, they did not. You can’t spin that. Now we have Biden as President screws up the withdrawal, 13 service members killed, Biden Administration in an effort to do damage control kills 10 innocent civilians including 7 children. The French recall their ambassador over the US/Uk submarine deal , and we have chaos at the border. All of this falls under the umbrella of foreign affairs, Biden’s area of expertise. If this was Trump the left would be screaming and rightfully so. It’s one crisis after another.

  125. Ex says:

    Nobody gives a f-ck about Afghanistan

  126. Juice Bomb says:

    re: . The right started it?

    Last I check Clinton wagged the dog and tried to off Bin Laden in Sudan..

    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1998-aug-21-me-15131-story.html

  127. Bystander says:

    3b,

    The problem I have with your logic, that if Trump had pulled in year 1 as promised then 30 more soldiers would be alive today. You think it matters not. 13 pulling out is worse. Pure BS. Oh Biden killed civilians! Where have you guys been for years? It is political crap to think he did any worse than others. Keep doing shoulda would could with Biden and no one else.

  128. Bystander says:

    Last checked, Bush daddy stoked the Arab world and created another holy war against us in 1991.

  129. Bystander says:

    3b,

    Crisis and death are always there..I just pointed out a drone strike by Trump that killed 30 civilians but hide behind ‘oh Trump does not know..blah. Foreign policy is not exact science and many people and factors.at play. I would argue that both Trump and Biden are making the calls. They are informed of strategy.

  130. Bystander says:

    Not making.

  131. 3b says:

    Bystander: Difference between the two , not expected to happen under Biden. 13 service members are killed , it looks bad so we recklessly drop a drone and kill innocent civilians. That’s how it looks to me.

  132. 3b says:

    Bystander: Again, why didn’t Obama/ Biden get out in 8 years? s As for 1991 I disagree. Iraq invades Kuwait, the US goes in and gets Saddam out of Kuwait, and we withdraw. Now young Bush going into Iraq I would agree. The best thing about being non- partisan , an independent is that I can criticize both parties, and not feel I have to defend my side. Trump was a disaster, I have said it repeatedly. Biden appears to be incompetent or out of it or both. I guess as a nation we get what we deserve.

  133. Bystander says:

    Let me frame submarine deal in a way that red hat dolts would cum over themselves:

    “I made a great deal. The best deal ever in submarine history. America is in a much stronger place due to this deal. The French can go bring his white flag back to Paris. They are great at that I understand. God bless the United States and the greatest president with the biggest brain”..derrrhh

  134. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I never said you are old and the post wasn’t directly targeted at you.

    As for your complaints about the commute. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You run from the city, while others crave that level of social energy. Getting to go on a train and wrestle with other new yorkers, and work in the city…what an awesome daily adventure that you suck the living life out of by dwelling on the negatives instead of the awesome positives.

    3b says:
    September 17, 2021 at 3:53 pm
    Pumps: Please stop it. You are embarrassing yourself, not that that ever stopped you before. If you are referring to me I am not an angry, and I am older than you although certainly not old. I have a full and rewarding social life, family lots of friends many from my childhood. As well I have traveled to multiple countries in Europe multiple times as well as all over the USA. So no , not the angry old man on the block. And if you think WFH is going to create angry old men or women, then you are just plain stupid.

    As for your ridiculous comment about using the commute to people watch . Are you serious? First of all as I have said to you multiple times , try commuting into NYC on the crappy trains and buses, you would not last. Try rushing to catch your train as you have an appointment, only to get to Hoboken and find a mass of humanity as the trains are delayed for one reason or another. Try leaving your office at 5:30, and strolling in to your house at 8:30, exhausted from the horrible commute. Not rare occurrences happened all the time. Try sitting next to someone who stinks, or is stuffing their face with a hotdog with onions, or the guy who is going to finish his stinky lunch right next to you. Try using the toilet on the train only to go and find it stuffed with crap, and no soap and water to wash your hands. I could go on. And as for people watching who wants to be the weirdo checking out people on the train. Maybe you enjoy it, I think it’s strange.

  135. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Some people are never happy. Learning as I age. Some people just enjoy the art of complaining.

  136. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s like, oh no, penn st is packed. Instead of crying, go get a drink at some random bar and talk to some random stranger about bs. Or, you can hang around penn st and complain.

  137. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Traded in my apple iphone 12 max pro for $750. Unbelievable, how much they hold their value. I have no problem dropping 500-600 dollars on a new iphone every year.

  138. Fast Eddie says:

    New video footage out of Del Rio, Texas shows hundreds of migrants illegally streaming into the U.S. across the Rio Grande, joining thousands of migrants who are already camped out under the international bridge.

    https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-helicopter-footage-shows-hundreds-185647497.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    Build back better.

  139. SmallGovConservative says:

    Haha! Like clockwork the Dem stooges Ex and Bi show up to stand by their (corrupt and incompetent) man — like a battered wife stands by her abusive husband. Trump takes out the head of the Iranian Republican Guard with a drone strike while Biden takes out an aid worker and seven children (with zero due diligence and ONLY because he wanted to look tough after getting 13 marines killed), and the dope Bi tries to draw a parallel between the two. Ex and Bi — what pathetic flunkeys those two are.

  140. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Put them to work. America has always been built on a new immigrant class doing the jobs that nobody else wants to do. We need a lot of cheap construction workers if we have any hopes of keeping prices from getting out of control. Let them come.

    Fast Eddie says:
    September 17, 2021 at 8:44 pm
    New video footage out of Del Rio, Texas shows hundreds of migrants illegally streaming into the U.S. across the Rio Grande, joining thousands of migrants who are already camped out under the international bridge.

    https://news.yahoo.com/shocking-helicopter-footage-shows-hundreds-185647497.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

    Build back better

  141. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Rust Belt City’s Pitch for a Hot Housing Market: Free Homes
    The mayor of Monessen, Pa., is trying to reverse the city’s long decline by giving away vacant homes to people willing to fix them up

    https://apple.news/AINGNBsrfTsG8pUGOeLFgKg

  142. 3b says:

    Pumps: Check your meds, they appear to need adjustment in the evening. Or maybe you can take the train into Penn Station and talk to strangers.

  143. grim says:

    otherwise is subject to 220 different security requirements these days. Many companies do it and fudge their audits however.

    I lived and breathed PCI-DSS for a few years. Assessors printed money in the early years. The only salted hash I care for these days is breakfast.

  144. Juice Box says:

    I have a friend who is a PCI assessor. They are like a like a bunch of Jedi calling themselves the PCI council and all. Like most of those gigs it’s all road warrior. He says this is the most he has been home in over a decade, does not want to go back on the road……

  145. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “Put them to work. America has always been built on a new immigrant class doing the jobs that nobody else wants to do. We need a lot of cheap construction workers if we have any hopes of keeping prices from getting out of control. Let them come.”

    Let them go to Wayne where they can take it out on you for the killing of their innocent children. What’s your address?

  146. JCer says:

    3b, you are right the social aspect is the going to the bar or dinner after work, catching a game, etc. Pretty much the wife an I each got like 1 day a week for fun while the other took the kids. A cursory hello while getting coffee is about as much interaction as you want with your coworkers, there are very few I’d want to talk to for more than 5 minutes. Sometimes I miss going to the office but not much, there are other things I miss much more. Not having to commute does make life so much easier, and it saves quite a bit of money.

    BidenIsTheGoat, not be be contrary but I disagree with almost everything you’ve stated about IT. If you architect your systems properly for cloud you can do things in Azure or AWS you could never do on-prem or with private cloud. There are certain things which cannot and should not be put on the cloud because there definitely are some drawbacks, technical difficulties and areas where the sales pitch exceeds the reality. Java is not slow, I’m not sure where this comes from but it typically is competitive with C++, the big drawback with Java is the memory usage. Java and it’s JVM are really not the problem, it’s the byzantine nature of the platform, things went south when oracle bought Sun If performance is really your concern go use Go or C but Java is light years faster than runtime languages like python. Big issue I see with Java is the spin up overhead, so called cold starts, for on prem it was not an issue but when you platform with temporary infrastructure it is a major problem. As for JSON, it’s tremendously useful for working with web apps, elsewhere I don’t see a compelling advantage.

    Republican and Democrats alike own the perpetual war machine. They are doing the biding for their masters, DC as a whole voted for these wars and perpetuated them.

  147. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Los Angeles high school classroom was decorated with with anti-police posters, Black Lives Matter and LGBTQ pride flags. The pictures were taken in a classroom at Alexander Hamilton High School and posted to Twitter. One showing a poster was emblazoned with the words ‘F*** the Police.’ Other photos saw an American flag draped disrespectfully over furniture. A Palestinian flag and a poster condemning Americans for occupying ‘native land’ were also photographed. The Los Angeles Unified School District said it requires students and adults to treat all persons equally and respectfully and refrain from using slurs.

  148. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “U.S. Capitol Police said they are ready for Saturday’s ‘Justice for J6’ rally and vowed not to have a repeat of January 6th.”

    Reaper drones equipped with Hellfire missiles are ready. Make sure not to pick up too many water bottles on the way to the rally!

  149. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Why are two 80 year old Americans out doddering around in Afghanistan? What’s the matter isn’t bingo good enough anymore?

    ​”Two elderly Californians have escaped Afghanistan after spending two weeks being “harassed and intimidated” by the Taliban, Rep. Darrell Issa said.

    “This is a cause for celebration and the result of almost countless hours of work under very difficult conditions. Our team simply would not give up, and today it paid off and we got them home,” Issa (R-Calif.) said of the couple, who are in their 80s, in a statement released on Wednesday.”

  150. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    It seems to me there’sa difference been collateral damage and obliterating a family for PR, which it appears that Biden did.

  151. The Great Pumpkin says:

    3b,

    Before the pandemic, i would be like you when i hit traffic on a commute. Get all pissed off. Now, I just find a good song on Sirius and crank it up. Why get angry and worked up over nothing. I think a lot of people need to stop getting angry over stuff they can’t control, and just enjoy the ride called life.

    Fyi, i have never seen so many cars on the road in my life. Maybe Train ridership is down, but cars are way up. It’s all good though, not worth getting worked up about.

  152. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Not attacking you or coming from a bad place, just trying to understand you. You make more money than my family. You seem to be stressing over commuter costs. My question is why? I would think you make more than enough money, but I don’t live your life, and maybe there is a reason you are stressing over money.

    Again, coming from a good place. Not attacking you, just trying to understand you.

    “and it saves quite a bit of money.”

  153. BRT says:

    Not having to commute does make life so much easier, and it saves quite a bit of money.

    So pumps reads this statement and somehow draws that JCer is stressed out about cost of commuting.

  154. leftwing says:

    “The O’Biden administration admitted today that 10 Afghanistan civilians were killed, including 7 children after stating that ISIS-K terr0rists were killed. They lied. But hey, at least the guy who did those mean tweets is out of office. Build back better.”

    Well..as one of our own empathetic liberals always so offended by the Orange Man said of the civilians falling to their deaths from the gear of US military transport planes it was “the cost of the withdrawal”.

    Just add the seven kids to the tab. No big deal. Got Joe out of the then current news cycle.

    Oh and, btw, seven kids…..isn’t that more than died during the entire pandemic in NJ?

    Waiter!….

  155. The Great Pumpkin says:

    BRT,

    The fact that he is thinking of it from a monetary position. Why is that even on his mind?

    My bad if I’m wrong. Again, not coming from a bad place.

  156. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Lefty,

    Did sleepy joe bring us to Afghanistan? He got us out. So focus on that. No other president before him was able to do that.

  157. BRT says:

    Considering he was a senator and voted for the ear, I’d say he did.

  158. Juice Box says:

    No concert for me tonight. My brother who has been a concert junkie his whole life, was at Megadeath on Thursday, played out in a bar with his own band last night, and will be at the PNC tonight for the Black Crowes. No idea how many shows he has been to but it has to be over 2000.

    Turning on the pool heater for a nice swim tonight. Grilling, fire pit and a nice cigar. I will settle for a nice relaxing evening listening to tunes and chilling in my oasis before I shut it down until May.

  159. Juice Box says:

    People with their short memories. Clinton wagged the dog in August 1998 and went after Bin Laden who was in exile from Saudi Arabia hiding in Sudan. Clinton swung and missed and Bin Laden went into hiding in Afghanistan to plan his revenge 3 years later which was 9/11.

    In August 1998 Joe Biden supported the bombing Sudan as well as a farm in Afghanistan allegedly used by as an Al Qaeda training site. A preemptive military strike, that was the precursor for the wars that Bush II continued.

    One could argue if Clinton did not wag the dog Bin Laden may have never attacked us on 9/11…

    https://theintercept.com/empire-politician/biden-bombings-sudan-al-shifa-afghanistan/

  160. 3b says:

    BRT: Critical thinking, if you can save money by not commuting then you must have money troubles.

  161. 3b says:

    Juice: Going forward Dems will never condemn or criticize their own. Everything will be seen through the prism of Trump, as if all was fine before him. So criticize Trump rightfully so , but give a pass to all the bought and paid for politicians like Biden or Mc Connell etc.

  162. Ex says:

    F-ck you mouth breathing fetid turds.

    Donald Trump wrote to Georgia Secretary of State asking him to “decertify” the results of the election.
    In the letter, Trump repeated unproven claims of widespread election fraud.
    The letter comes the day before a “Justice for J6” rally is due in Washington DC.

  163. BRT says:

    Didn’t question your intent. Just your ability to draw up wild assumptions without merit.

  164. Fast Eddie says:

    Lol. The left is obsessed with Trump. They can’t get over the fact that he schooled them, exposed them, abused them, owned them, unmasked, striped and defined them. He shook them up and defiled the lefty charlatans like an unwanted doxy! Build back better! LOL!

  165. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Juice,
    Sounds nice. What’s for dinner? I’ll be there by 6.

  166. Fast Eddie says:

    News is showing thousands of illegal immigrants just walking across the border without any resistance whatsoever. O’Biden is at the beach, Carmella is totally MIA… it’s as if the democrats are so inept, so overwhelmed, their only recourse is to run and hide for cover.

  167. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    You guys were talking fireworks the other day. I think the place now to get the real stuff is Tasmania. They still have the real M80’s and blockbusters.

    “A man has died in an explosion triggered as he was trying to ignite a firework in Tasmania’s north.

    Police say the accident happened overnight at a property at Birralee, about 40 kilometres from Launceston.

    Initial investigations suggest the victim, in his 50s, was attempting to light the cracker using a metal cylinder.”

  168. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    It’s Cruella, not Carmella.

  169. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Eddie,

    ” Drink with me to days gone by
    To the life (To the life) that used (That used) to be (To be)
    At the shrine of friendship, never say die
    Let the wine of friendship never run dry
    Here’s to (Here’s to you) you and here’s to me”

  170. Bystander says:

    Ed,

    ..and don’t forget lost to them and gave up two Senate seats that he backed hard..but keep on truckin’ for Dumpy.

  171. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Eddie,
    They are walking up to Wayne to become fast food workers. Biden told them there is a shortage, and they are here to apply.

    Cruella is still working on her makeup.

    And the poor aid worker and kids, we followed them step by step with our “intelligence.” Haha. Could you imagine if we used our stupidity instead? We created even more terrorists for the future. How inept has this country become?

  172. Fast Eddie says:

    By,

    Oblammy, who the woke media claimed walked on water, gave us Trump.

  173. Ex says:

    Naw, stupid racists from flyover Country gave us Trump.

  174. Hold my beer says:

    America’s pastime and favorite sport… exporting your job to China

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/mlb-moves-bat-production-company-124513322.html

  175. Fast Eddie says:

    It was an hour President Joe Biden would no doubt like to forget.

    On Friday, the Pentagon acknowledged that a drone strike in Afghanistan killed 10 civilians, including seven children, not terrorists. A panel advising the Food and Drug Administration voted to not recommend COVID-19 booster shots for all Americans over age 16, dashing an administration hope.

    And France announced it was recalling its ambassador to the United States out of anger for being cut out of a secret nuclear submarine deal Biden had struck with the United Kingdom and Australia.

    The headlines, all within an hour, underscored the perils for any president from situations that can define a term in office.

    Build back better.

  176. grim says:

    NJ Rt up to 1.07 … D2?

  177. BRT says:

    You were right grim, Miss is now #1. I’m sure another wave will put Murphy back on top though.

  178. chicagofinance says:

    School openings

    grim says:
    September 18, 2021 at 4:20 pm
    NJ Rt up to 1.07 … D2?

  179. Ex says:

    Mask up, wash hands, don’t touch your face, keep distances.
    And stay healthy. Lots of sleep. Vitamin C. Sunshine.

  180. Chicago says:

    Is this one of those line dances they do at Weddings?

  181. Juice Box says:

    Expensive hotel suite in NYC
    Lots of staff forced to wear masks while you and your boyfriend don’t
    Makeup Artist

    Yeah I think they are doing a good job of capturing AOC, with the celebutard treatment. She will be wearing throngs of expensive clothing from now on.

    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1439590723112865796

  182. 3b says:

    Juice: Such irony in that picture in so many ways.

  183. BRT says:

    Our rate should likely increase based on seasonality. The question is, howuch immunity does our population have. That’s what’s going to limit the wave imo

  184. Fast Eddie says:

    Re: AOC and the democrats overall: How easy is it preach compassion while extorting the productive class to hand over to the “little” people. Until they change the name “democrat” and identify with what they really are, “s0c1al1st,” the muppets will continue to pull the lever while being oblivious.

  185. Fabius Maximus says:

    Goat, “originated from an email marketing company” that is HQed in Donnies Tower!. You know Donnie doesn’t send a dime outside his own Org if he can avoid it. Also he is never giving up his marketing info to any third party org.

    On the Durham indictment, if Joe had spiked it the right would be screaming interference, easier to let it play out and show it for the sham it was. Here is a legal analysis of how big of a Nothing burger it was.
    https://twitter.com/Delavegalaw/status/1438636139217313797

    But, hey, her emails!

  186. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    ‘If we go back we die’: 15,000 Haitian immigrants under Texas beg bridge beg Biden not to send them back as DHS starts removal flights TODAY

  187. Grim says:

    We will start seeing some of the school outbreak numbers reported by the state in a week or two.

  188. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Right now there are still 70 million eligible Americans who are not vaccinated.

  189. Juice Box says:

    Fab – Your Gal Hillary Right before the 2016 election tweeted, “Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.” Dirty election tricks Steele dossier, Alfa bank communications etc.

    I hope aHillary’s lawyer flips, he does not want to do time anymore than Trumps lawyer did.

    And for the record if she did become POTUS we would probably be in three of four More wars perhaps even a big one with Russia. Trump was the better candidate because that woman wanted to drone everybody.

  190. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    So now trump runs an e-mail marketing company that (from the indictment) “hundreds of companies” use, which is apparently run out of trump tower and he used that to back channel to the Russians? Ooookay, got it.

  191. Hold my beer says:

    I think Obama holds the record for most countries bombed outside of FDR and he got the Nobel peace prize too.

  192. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Interesting insights in Levins new book about wokeism, which is Marxism fronted by social justice, propaganda and pseudo events ie hoaxes.

    The bottom line with hoaxes are they are here to stay. People prefer them to actual news so the media will keep creating them.

  193. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “America owes us a home: Afghan family whose 10 loved ones were killed by drone strike after Pentagon blunder say they want compensation and to live in the US”

    We have some nice homes in Wayne NJ. We could give you a few over there.

  194. Juice Box says:

    re: “We have some nice homes in Wayne NJ”

    There are already a few moving there now, in addition to a few living there now who were relocated previously.

    I would say our local History Teacher is going to have some new students, that can neither read or write English or even Pashto, as many of these immigrants will end up in goverment housing in cities.

    There are 8000 + plus Afghanistan refugees at McGuire Ft Dix base now with another 5,000 on the way. White House has been calling around NJ cities looking for places to put them. Mayor of Elizabeth got call from the White House to take in a few he said no because of Hurricane IDA and issues.

    https://www.nj.com/union/2021/09/elizabeth-mayor-says-city-cannot-agree-to-white-house-request-to-accept-afghan-refugees-due-to-lack-of-resources-after-ida.html

    BTW – The plan for resettlement is to spread them everywhere in the USA. For the first wave however plan seems quite unfair, Delaware in only going to get 30 people, but NY and NJ thousands.

  195. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Hey Hoss,
    I just rounded me up another one!

    “Go tell Ben and Adam to bring round the wagon. We don’t want them kept ’round here. Have Jamie fetch Sheriff Roy and Deputy Clem meet us back at the ranch. Make sure Will knows about this. All this ‘ropin is making me tired.

    “Border agents on horseback round up Haitian migrants after closing Rio Grande crossing where 15,000 have congregated under Texas bridge: First removal flight arrives in Haiti with up to EIGHT scheduled per day”

  196. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Just keep raising the salary. 40/50 an hour is light for a cook. 75 /hr sounds about right.

    After four decades in the restaurant business, Ralph Magliocchetti says he has never seen anything like it.

    The owner of the elegant II Villaggio in Carlstadt cannot find waiters or kitchen help. Pay is not an issue, he said, pointing to the fact an experienced candidate can practically name their price.

    There just aren’t applicants.

    “I’m killing myself. I’m working 90 hours a week in the kitchen, doing the jobs of three people,” Magliocchetti, 72, said. “I can’t get a cook for any price. It’s not the wage. I can pay $40 or $45 an hour and still can’t get anybody!

    “I don’t know where we’re heading,” he said. “I don’t see this getting any better.”

    Magliocchetti, who estimates he has spent $20,000 on online wanted ads in the past 6 months, is hardly alone.

  197. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    “The days of companies making people work long hours for little pay are over,” said Jim Kirkos, CEO and president of the Meadowlands Chamber. “Businesses are going to have to get creative to give employees more meat on the bone, an increase in the wage together with more career opportunities and benefits.”

  198. Hold my beer says:

    Phoenix

    If the refugees get relocated to Lake worth Texas they will feel right at home

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10006719/Two-pilots-eject-military-aircraft-CRASHES-homes-near-Fort-Worth.html

  199. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Looks like the American dollar is becoming more worthless each and every day.

    Should have kept it tied to the gold standard. Guess those Indians with gold bars stacked up in their closets have the right idea after all.

  200. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    HMB
    No, they deserve to live in the best place in America, Wayne NJ. It’s got a pool in town where they can dip their toes and play footsies with Pumps.

  201. Hold my beer says:

    Do they like columns?

  202. Hold my beer says:

    Texas has had almost as many students catch COVID the first 5 weeks of school this year as all of 20-21 school year

    https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/17/texas-schools-covid-19-cases/

  203. grim says:

    No way he’s paying $50/hr and can’t find cooks.

    Maybe he wants to pay $50/hr for a couple hours on the weekends only, to staff his catering events, which would be impossible for full time cook to take.

  204. Bystander says:

    Pure BS, grim. 60% of the jobs that are sent to me want a Senior Technical PM are for $50/hr. The guy can afford $2ok in ads? So many lies about shortage in labor. It is a shortage of pay and shortage of benefits. My buddy was a pastry chef at Michelin rated restaurants and worked insane hours. Each time got jack sh^t for his effotyd. Lot of restuarant owners prey off people who love their craft and keep all money for themselves. Or snort it up their nose and close businsess because rich mommy and daddy had their back.

  205. Juice Box says:

    Where is Clot when you need him? His was our Anthony Bourdain for gods sake….

    The restaurants need another bailout folks, bus in people, give people visas or that is it. Not that I am against it but in reality we are going to lose more of the small restaurants. The fast food joints don’t seem to be complaining as much…..then again they will hire anyone.

    Anecdotal fast food joint Chipotle by me won’t take online orders….No cooks or kids willing to work on the taco assembly lines. Pay is $16 an hour plus free food.

    However there is another factor. I was at the local taco joint Surf Taco to celebrate today after my son’s soccer team kicked the rich kid’s asses. Prices are way up. 5 kids tacos and 2 adult burritos cost $58 with tip… SO POINT IS DEMAND may be still way way down with all this cost push inflation. There was also a very FAT family standing outside the door looking at the menu and calculating cost….. If fat people cannot afford their high caloric “diets” then all is lost.

    They should pay the young people in virtual online money for games or heck crypto, might attract more of them to get out of the house and work..

  206. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    What’s the problem can’t a boomer make a taco? Or has their house price gone up so much they never plan on doing anything themselves again?

  207. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    It’s a “white glove” place. Probably with “white glove” charges. Well, then he needs to pay “white glove’ pay.

    “No way he’s paying $50/hr and can’t find cooks.”

    “Maybe he wants to pay $50/hr for a couple hours on the weekends only, to staff his catering events, which would be impossible for full time cook to take.”

  208. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    You just sold your smelly cape in Clifton for 700k. You can pay more for your celebration dinner. You can afford it.

    Just wait till your covid bill comes in. Cause there is no more help paying for them. The co-pay is yours. And for some it just might be a real whopper.

    I went for a nice run this evening. Weather was great. Wanna keep myself in shape as I have a kid to raise and don’t want to die wheezing to death or keeling over.

  209. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    Try not to laugh, I double dog dare you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o07r0LvtklU

  210. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    This is the better link, sorry.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRCHBi0DRFg

  211. Hold my beer says:

    Sadly 60% of Americans today look like those customers

  212. Out of the Ashes goes the Phoenix says:

    They all just straight face lie. Weapons of mass destruction, and this…

    https://youtu.be/kaUemcqIQ-k?t=3614

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