NJ is the state for them!

From Patch:

Every NJ Town’s Average Property Tax Bill In New 2021 List

Tavistock Borough, Camden $30,328

Millburn Township, Essex $24,370

Mountain Lakes Borough, Morris $21,625

Tenafly Borough, Bergen $21,552

Demarest Borough, Bergen $21,377

Glen Ridge Borough, Essex $21,214

Rumson Borough, Monmouth $21,153

Alpine Borough, Bergen $21,042

Essex Fells Borough, Essex $20,413

Princeton, Mercer $20,352

Montclair Township, Essex $19,963

Mendham Township, Morris $19,794

Mantoloking Borough, Ocean $19,304

South Orange Village Township, Essex $19,147

Deal Borough, Monmouth $19,117

Upper Saddle River Borough, Bergen $18,886

Ridgewood Village, Bergen $18,506

Summit City, Union $18,314

Haworth Borough, Bergen $18,270

Saddle River Borough, Bergen $18,210

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101 Responses to NJ is the state for them!

  1. grim says:

    Had to go to the Apple store at the mall yesterday. What masks? If Omicron is really a threat, NJ will know very soon. It’s already outcompeting Delta and will be the dominant strain in South Africa soon. Seeing some estimates of dramatically higher transmissibility (+500%). While you were sleeping, Australia now reporting cases. If a country detects 1, there are probably hundreds more.

  2. grim says:

    I hear EWR has been absolutely packed the last few days.


  3. Fast Eddie says:

    There was a sports card show in Westchester yesterday. I walked in (if you want to call i that) circled my way through the ballroom once and left. Packed doesn’t begin to describe the number of bodies in there. I couldn’t get out fast enough. The majority were mask-less, as was I but that was wall to wall bodies.

  4. Fast Eddie says:

    Property taxes: As Smurphy said, if taxes are your issue, NJ is not your state. Prestige has a price. Being haughty has a price. No cattle, big hat is the new sign of wealth. Now, stop dwelling on property taxes, go today, buy a Lexus and make it a December to remember.

  5. Clown World says:

    Honest question – How does the covid test identify a strain? Is it just a guess or is there any actual science involved?

    Seems that we just name variants based on what “wave” the outbreak is in. But this is admittedly a total novice opinion.

  6. Phoenix says:

    Eddie, right down to the details.


  7. Phoenix says:

    Give him a green card and make him a US Marine.

    Guatemalan stowaway, 26, is found in landing gear of American Airlines flight at Miami airport – surviving two-and-a-half hour journey at 33,000ft and temperatures as low as -54F and extremely low oxygen levels of around 6.3percent, similar to being inside a hypo oxy chamber.

  8. Phoenix says:

    People in NJ can afford the taxes. They made millions on the stock market this year.

  9. Phoenix says:

    No ticket, no problem, no mask, no problem, no vax, no problem. Door is open, y’all come right in.

    SoFi Stadium staff waving through tonight’s BTS crowd without checking IDs, vax cards, bags, or even tickets.

  10. Phoenix says:

    Tachycardia. It’s the ticker-tester.

    “none of the Omicron patients suffered from a loss of taste of smell typically associated with Covid, but instead presented with unusual markers like intense fatigue and a high pulse rate.”

  11. 3b says:

    Only 56 percent of American companies offer 401ks and almost 50 percent of those have zero max. Who needs 401k s property taxes are kind of like 401k s.

  12. Phoenix says:

    I guess the crowbars and hammer toys got boring. Time to get more fun things for Christmas. Don’t wanna feel left out.

    When seconds count the police are only minutes away.

    Remember when Clark didn’t get his bonus check that he was counting on- it’s now all coming to life for real…

    ‘Flash mob’ of 30 looters rampage through two Minnesota Best Buys: Thieves take TVs, tablets and hoverboards as smash and grabs spread beyond California”

  13. 3b says:

    Phoenix: My Dad got drafted 9 months after he came to the US. He had two choices go, or go home. If you went home and tried to come back it was not happening. He went , he was proud his new country asked for his service.

  14. Phoenix says:

    Expect more of this as income disparity increases. Life no longer has value in America, it’s dollars that count.

    The slip into third world status is starting to make itself evident.

    Hang on boys, the coaster is about to get to the top of the first ramp!

  15. 3b says:

    Phoenix: 10 car loads of people attacked the Home Depot and all they managed to get was 400 dollars worth of tools.

  16. Phoenix says:

    My father enlisted by lying about his age, he was a year short. No computers back then.

  17. Phoenix says:

    10 car loads of people attacked the Home Depot and all they managed to get was 400 dollars worth of tools.

    My ex wife came with 4 armed local police and was able to steal 30k of tools from me.
    She had a better strategy.

    But it is still looting……….. So what should be the penalty?

  18. BRT says:

    My grandmother’s family were allowed in the country because their grandparents worked on the railroads in the US prior to heading back. I had a great uncle who came over from China prior to WW2. He enlisted in the air force and was eventually killed in Germany during the war.

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  20. Phoenix says:

    Biden no mask. Hahaha. Children around America please continue to watch the lessons your “elders,” who expect and demand respect, teach you. They are the examples that you need to learn from and follow /s


  21. Phoenix says:

    Biden out “Toggery” shopping. Is that the snooty word for clothes?

    Honey, let’s go toggery shopping. Far away from the Plebs that voted for me.

  22. The Great Pumpkin says:

    When you peel back the curtain of populist / communist / think tank articles, you learn it’s all a farce. It’s so incredibly simple to discuss this topic without loaded language. A progressive tax structure charges high earners more. If you’d rely on rates you tax the rich.


  23. Fast Eddie says:

    Biden out “Toggery” shopping. Is that the snooty word for clothes?

    First, you need to tie your Brunello Cucinelli sweater around your neck. O’Biden went to Rubenstein’s compound for Thanksgiving so it’s only fitting.

    Btw, that SNL skit is funny because satire and reality are first cousins.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The Ideal Income For Maximum Happiness

    With the new 2022 income tax brackets out, I’ve selected the new incomes for maximum happiness. They are:
    $170,050 MAGI for singles
    $340,100 MAGI for married couples
    At these income levels, you’re making the most amount of W2 money while paying a reasonable effective tax rate. After these income levels, I don’t think you’ll be any happier.

    I would save and invest everything over these levels while also gifting some of it away. And if you are feeling completely burnt out making above these income levels, I would take things down a notch.

    In the post, I also propose the second ideal income levels if you cannot achieve the levels above. Here’s also a post about solving unhappiness, despite so many of us having so much.

  25. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Easy way to tax billionaires that would actually work: tax the loans


  26. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Maybe getting weaker over time which is what science says.


  27. Fabius Maximus says:

    ” Far away from the Plebs that voted for me.”

    The last guy had a gold plated toilet! Best post I read in the past few days was a guy making a observation that if you going after Joe for Thanksgiving and KH for buying cookware, it shows how there is no dirt on them and that’s all they have to go on to try and smear them. People have money in their pocket, jabs in their arm, low unemployment, and employers forced to pay living wages.

    Got a Flu shot today, tried to get a booster but Moderna seems to be in short supply. It’s almost a two week wait at the CVS stores around me. I can get Pfizer tomorrow if I want.

  28. BoomerRemover says:

    I plead not guilty to that speeding ticket today (online). My hearing date is set for… November 15, 2022. WTF?

    I hope there’s a virtual option to plead down with the prosecutor as plan on being far away from this here state of NJ.

  29. The Great Pumpkin says:

    That’s why i will take vaccine vs natural protection

    “Unvaccinated people were 5.8 times more likely to get Covid and 14 times more likely to die from it in September. bit.ly/3FGSpyK”


  30. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Boomer, you got caught in the glue trap, just be happy it isn’t a death trap, only a financial punch to the gut.

  31. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thank you, Murphy. Feel like I won the lottery. I wrote this off for a loss long ago. Ready to evict, but murphy saved him. 11,500…

    I had to literally beg him to do it. I knew he had no shot in paying this back. Thank you, God.

    Btw, had another quote for painting…5,000. Spent last 3 days doing it all. Saved 7gs based on estimates. 3 days of work.

  32. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Kitchen floor and other bs included in 7 gs saved.

  33. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Yea, 3b….i have strong Florida connections. Spent 1/4 of my teenage years there in the 90’s aka summer.

  34. The Great Pumpkin says:

    So understand where my perspective comes from. Maybe it has changed, but that place is a$$backwards if you are not wealthy.

    Btw, this family grew up in NY for k-5. Dad’s business moved and so did he. Oldest brother is a genius. Incredibly smart. He’s a dentist in partnership in Florida. His grad years were spent in Hoboken going to college up here.

  35. BRT says:

    I lived in Seminole county Florida in 88. Transplants mixed with locals. Worst experience of my life. Went back to Orlando nearly every other summer. Orlando in 2006 was completely transformed from it’s 90s day. It’s accelerating significantly from there. The more money that pours into that place, the more attractive it becomes.

  36. BRT says:

    “Unvaccinated people were 5.8 times more likely to get Covid and 14 times more likely to die from it in September. bit.ly/3FGSpyK”

    These numbers don’t apply to people that have natural immunity from recovery.

  37. The Great Pumpkin says:


    St Augustine. Oldest euro city on the continent. Have hilarious stories.

  38. BRT says:

    I visited St. Augustine in 1988. Smelled like horse crap everywhere.

  39. 3b says:

    Pumps: You and Florida? Why would I possibly care?

  40. Libturd says:

    I summered in Altamonte Springs for a number of years in the early 80s.

  41. BRT says:

    Lib, I lived the next town over, in Winter Springs. We would go to the mall at Altamonte Springs.

  42. grim says:

    What happened to tweaking the vax for Delta? We’re past that now? We’re now focused on the Big-O, more than 6 months out again?

  43. Juice Box says:

    Multi-valent trials underway Phase II but that is only the Alpha and Delta. No Warp speed anymore we are back to where we were before the pandemic, clinical studies aka human trails that last months and approvals that could take years.

    The Pharma companies have yet convince the FDA that there needs to be a new process where they can synthesize a Multi-valent for Alpha, Delta, Omni etc quickly and get it out. All the red tape of preclinical research, the manufacturing, the clinical testing and the regulatory submissions and waiting for approvals.

    This needs to be done perhaps semi-annually like the Flu only faster, it could however take many years and knowing the rate at which these things tend to change probably a decade or more.

  44. dentss dunnigan says:

    I pay more in Property taxes than Murphy I pay 21% Murphy pays 001%…

  45. Juice Box says:

    I live in the same town as our Governor. He takes his $175,000 salary but it doesn’t cover his Middletown property tax bill. Last reported in the news in 2018 his waterfront home is worth $9.6 million value with a property tax bill of $204,361. It’s allot more now for sure as we annually reassess down here. Mine went up quite a bit 90 grand in ONE YEAR thanks to the knuckle heads overpaying. I have until Jan 15th to file the appeal. I am checking to see if I can even find the correct comps.

  46. dentss dunnigan says:

    Juice …I live in Little silver ….

  47. Juice Box says:

    Dents better move before the next 500 year storm. When I moved down here right after Sandy I picked a place 90ft above sea level. The title guy at my closing lived in Oceanport…..he was wiped out 10 ft of water in the house.

  48. BRT says:

    they had plenty of time to update the vaccine. They chose not to. I wonder how many lives that one cost.

  49. Juice Box says:

    There are only a few countries that have the money and equipment to DNA sequence Covid positive virus samples regularly. The data is not updated in real time. There are DNA testing data dumps mostly every other week or month or even less from various countries that actually have regular DNA sampling programs for Covid.

    It’s great for the news cycle, and the taking heads talking points that will continually pummel us with stories about the unknown dangers. The Canadian Covid Omnicron positive story is just that, a huge breaking story and now a waiting game for weeks on end for DNA testing results.

    No reason to cancel Christmas yet. In the last 30 days Canada has only performed 1,844 DNA sequences out of 72,359 cases. They found one Omnicron, the rest is mostly Delta.

    UK and Demark have a high DNA testing rate, data is updated about every other week. The rest of Europe is a little longer. Many EU countries don’t even test samples monthly. We still won’t know for sure that this Omnicron variant is really spreading until perhaps January in Europe.

    DNA testing in the USA is as follows. In the last 30 days 65,080 covid samples DNA sequenced tested out of 2,541,836 covid positive cases.

    No Omnicron yet, but doom is back on folks…..

  50. NJCoast says:

    Actually Deal taxes are quite low. The oceanfront Chera property that they bought for $11,800,000 pays $77,886. Another Chera Deal property assessed at $5,259,000 only pay $25,837. Stanley’s widow in the Elberon section of Long Branch pays $247,661 for her ocean front manse.

  51. Hold my beer says:

    Omicron might actually be a way to end Covid pandemic and make it endemic. If it is more contagious but it’s mortality and severe case rate is more like a normal flu season more people will get it but have some sort of natural immunity afterwards in case a more lethal strain of Covid comes out one day. And there are much better treatments now for Covid then when the pandemic started.

  52. Hold my beer says:

    I’m still ordering more masks and supplements anyway.

  53. Libturd says:

    From what I’ve read. Though O is more infectious, there are no clear signs that it is any more lethal, and early reports show it is reacting well to the same regiment of drugs (monoclonal antibodies). I also read that it would take approximately 6 weeks to change the MRNa formula to cover this variant. The testing would not need be as thorough as it would not likely have any different side effects than the original Moderna and Pfizer jabs. Testing will mainly be about effectiveness.

  54. BRT says:

    Evolution dictates that all viruses trend towards becoming more infectious and less deadly to maximize transmission and survival rate. The fastest way to end the pandemic is let it run wild through the healthy population while giving the at risk population both vaccines and monoclonals as preventative measures. All the major studies have shown those few that actually get reinfected from a variant have a much milder case 2nd go round, which is also standard for any respiratory virus.

    At that point, you have a virus that slowly transmits through a population that has already been exposed as their individual immunity possibly wanes or as the virus mutates. Bottom line, there is absolutely zero point in “slowing the spread”. I think governments are trying to slow the spread because it allows them to continue a perpetual state of emergency which conveniently lets them print money and spend it on pet projects with kickbacks and insider trading.

    The whole notion of hospitals still becoming overloaded is a complete lie. This was only true in March of 2021 when it was spready under our noses uncontrollably to the point where literally 1 out of every 5 people were infected in this region.

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  56. Trick says:

    Mother in-law was hospitalized Friday with covid, she has had it in the past and was fully vaccinated, we are all getting tested today.

  57. Phoenix says:

    The whole notion of hospitals still becoming overloaded is a complete lie.

    Well, not necessarily a true statement. Not all areas of the country have the money were people can afford to go toggery shopping like NJ, and have smaller hospitals where they can get overloaded easily.

    Hospitals, just like Whole Foods, don’t want to be in places where there isn’t any money around..

  58. Juice Box says:

    BRT – re: “Evolution dictates”

    Seems that way..There are 15 mutations in the RBD (receptor binding domain) of the spike protein in the Omnicron variant. For reference the Beta variant has three mutations in the RBD part of its genome, and the Delta variant has two.

    Data out of South Africa is sparse. Approx 100 Omicron positive DNA sequences out of South Africa so far, but infections estimates are an R rate of 1.93 in Johannesburg as cases are now up to 1,200 a day. South Africa has vaccinated approx 24 million of their of their 60 million population so far.

    There will be considerable uncertainty related to the transmissibility, vaccine effectiveness, breakthrough infections, risk for reinfections from the Omicron variant for many months to come as for now too few people have been infected with Omicron and identified via DNA testing.

    Even here in the USA our labs only DNA sequence approx 3% of covid positive. England is approx 5%.

  59. Juice Box says:

    Hospitals beds in NJ for example? We are using up approx 5% of Hospital capacity right now for Covid. We peaked at over 6,200 hospitalized in April of 2020…There are 20,421 Hospital Beds in NJ. Currently there are 950 in the hospital now for Covid and 99 on ventilators.

    Biggest Hospitals aren’t all that big either when you think of the large areas they serve..

    Hackensack Medical 711 beds

    Morristown Medical 648 beds

    Robert Wood Johnson 624 beds

    St Joe’s in Paterson 688 beds

    Covid is never going away anyway……..They should build Covid only treatment centers and ship everyone there get intensive treatment or last rights, and keep Covid out of the regular Hospitals to prevent spread.

  60. BRT says:

    Phoenix, we have pills and treatments that are supposed to be 90% effective in preventing hospitalization. Between that and vaccination, worst case scenarios should now be divided by anywhere from 10 to 20. Emergency is over and has been.

  61. No One says:

    Summering in Altamonte Springs sounds pretty unpleasant. I used to shop in the Altamonte Mall all the time in the 1990s, and lived several years in Winter Park, one of the nicer suburbs, while working there.
    St. Augustine was where my elementary school would send us for field trips in the 70s, early 80s. Would see the fort made out of coquina and see some sort of historical recreations of how boring life was in the 1500s.

    Living in Sarasota county on a barrier island seems worlds away from the life of inland Florida. However one might need more than Pumpkin’s maximum utility income to buy and live in a place like that.

  62. Libturd says:

    Central Florida was cheap! That’s why my dad lived there.

  63. Libturd says:

    He now lives in Apopka. We don’t speak anymore, which is a good thing. My step-father, who I consider my real father, lives with my mom near Boca.

  64. Fast Eddie says:

    Has anyone asked the question or seen an answer on how many booster shots are required? Every six months we need to get a booster? Any of you medical experts want to chime in?

  65. Libturd says:

    It’s based on the duration of the strain (or if there are new ones) and the efficacy of the vaccine.

  66. BRT says:

    Just saw the Murphy jab photo. I think Murphy shut the gyms down to try to hide the fact that his arms are toothpicks.

  67. Libturd says:

    In other news. Another truck crash on 78 West this morning around 8:45am. This one crashed straight into the right guard rail. right after the New Providence exit they are repairing.

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  69. Grim says:

    There will be an annual booster – it’s likely going to be paired with the flu shot.

    Accept the endemic reality.

  70. Ex says:

    I am always baffled by the willingness (?) of folks to pay outsized taxes. NJ seems to be just like anywhere else in suburbia with perhaps more diversity. If you don’t work in NYC or visit every other weekend, why are YOU living in NJ?

  71. dentss dunnigan says:

    We’re special …..

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    …why are YOU living in NJ

    I never thought I would consider moving out of NJ but I’m actually thinking about it. I drove down to Old Bridge and back over the weekend and the tolls alone were over $10. And just before the holiday, I was looking at this house online in River Vale. It was nicely done, not huge, well-kept. The taxes were 23K plus. I laughed when I saw it. Again, why does anyone want to continue to pay to live here at these sickening levels? It’s a good question.

  73. grim says:

    Which comes first, cart or the horse?

    Usually decisions about where to live, and what to afford, are driven by opportunity/employment. Given my job, what are my options? Nobody is sitting in the midwest thinking to themselves, I really want to live in River Vale. But, when they move here from the midwest, because they are hired as a marketing executive at a fancy NYC company, they might consider it as a viable option.

    Likewise, I know plenty of small business owners that couldn’t leave if they wanted to. Their businesses are tied locally, and can’t be moved (or can’t be moved without significant effort, cost, and risk). They are wealthy, they can afford the fancy home, car, taxes. What they can’t afford to do is leave.

    When you fly into EWR, and fly over what looks to be thousands of industrial buildings, it’s all of this that I’m talking about. Vast majority of these are small businesses, with local owners, who couldn’t ever leave.

  74. JCer says:

    Covid vax is very flawed, prior infection for the win, no point in vaccine mandates when the vaccine is so flawed, it may protect the individual but it does not meaningfully impact the spread. My youngest has it, her symptoms lasted maybe a day or 2. My wife got it, fully vaxed, feels pretty sick but so far like a bad flu. I have not tested positive yet three pcr tests over 5 days, fully vaxed and prior infection, oldest literally feels perfect and has the closest contact with the youngest, suspected prior infection and not vaxed same 3 pcr tests. It tells me recovered covid patients have the best level of protection. We know loads of people who had breakthrough infections with all three vaccine types, the severity of the illness seems to be based on the individual, some get really sick for others it’s a cold.

    The idea we need to vaccinate children is insane, most of the “covid” deaths reported in children were likely RSV and covid or influenza and covid. My kid had RSV a few months ago and it was 100x worse than delta variant covid.

    We need to cease with the nonsense, what ever the situation is with the virus we need to return to normal. It’s unfortunate and very sad when people die but there is avoiding it in certain cases, we simply cannot shut the world down many more will die trying to prevent the spread. We have vaccinations to stunt the death rate, we have treatments, etc. protect the vulnerable and let’s move on. These lockdowns, shutdowns, etc will not have a positive effect, the situation in Austria is scary and I’m not talking about the virus.

  75. chicagofinance says:

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    Ever since losing to Harvard on Nov. 5, the Big Red have been rolling, winning their last six games. The most recent win came 6-4 over Boston University at Madison Square Garden this past weekend to win the Red Hot Hockey Title. It’s the third consecutive win for Cornell in this event.

    Cornell took down BU, 6-4, at Madison Square Garden.
    Offensively, Cornell has gotten ample production from senior forward Max Andreev and junior forward Matt Stienburg. Both have 13 points each, which is tied for the team lead.

    The Big Red will head to St. Lawrence for a game Friday and then Clarkson on Saturday.

  76. Juice Box says:

    Eddie move south, you get twice as much for allot less in taxes with 50% less traffic and 75% less morons. Just don’t tell the morons to follow, and don’t go further south than exit 109.

    A friend of mine is living in an old split in Bergen paying 20k in taxes. He could move and perhaps commute 15 minutes more and save allot in taxes, with 50% less traffic and 75% less morons. Refuses to listen, has to stay in the town he grew up in, nobody cares if you were the s*hi*t in town 30 years ago, anyone who did moved a long time ago. He even joined the old Knights of Columbus. The average age there must be 75 yrs old.

  77. Juice Box says:

    Jcer- Don’t think for a second perhaps a million more people in just this country alone would not be dead by now without these mRNA vaccines. There were 2.2 million new infections in the last month alone in the USA and 31,701 deaths. The Hospitals here in NJ still have a 1000 patients with 100 on vents and from what I know most are unvaccinated.

    The jury is still out on kids….I think most of us agree on that as their numbers of deaths are low only time will tell if the vaccine is worse than the disease. It’s still optional..here at least. I am waiting for my kids, as the risk is low, some parents aren’t. We shall see.

    Hope your family recovers real soon with no adverse effects.

    Your family too Trick. I would make a MIL joke but even I have standards!!

  78. JCer says:

    Ex, I can’t fathom why anyone would pay CA income taxes! People pay NJ’s extortionate taxes because they work here, it’s a cost of doing business. Maybe I could save 15k in property taxes elsewhere but where am I finding a job for me and my wife paying approximately 250k each, and who are are we restarting our careers with?

  79. JCer says:

    juice no doubt as indicated there is an argument for individual protection. My vaccinated wife is certainly WAY less sick than I was when I got it last year and who knows to what effect the vaccine may have helped me maintain immunity. My point is around mandates and rules based on a flawed premise that the vaccine produces immunity equivalent to infection. Prior infection is the only thing that meaningfully prevents the spread. Yes get vaccinated for your own protection, if it’s been a year take a booster especially if you are at at risk population but the mandates should stop and they should examine the technology more. I think they could really improve the way the vaccines work, the premise, the dosing, etc could be adjusted to achieve immunity at least equivalent to natural immunity with an improved design. Right now it seems to be a very blunt tool which prompts a rapid, very strong, short lived antibody response.

  80. Juice Box says:

    Jcer – re: “a flawed premise that the vaccine produces immunity equivalent to infection.”

    No the premise has changed, it actually very different now. We know all three approved vaccines only target the spike protein. Who knows what natural immunity from infection actually does? Fauci won’t say… It must be more than just the spike protein antibodies. T Cells etc do all kinds of stuff, we don’t really know but there is a theory. Vaccine + infection = super immunity. They are studying people in Singapore that had the original SARS 20 years ago, those suviors there now have vaccinated against Covid, sudy shows they have developed a super immunity against all kinds of variants, so the idea is it’s more than just the spike protein. Can we create an mRNA vaccine to kill some other process beside the basic spike protein which attaches to our cells? Perhaps something to stop replication itself after infection occurs? That would be one theory and the science will take time.

    It’s great we can actually program this now. My opinion is the mRNA instructions we have learned to hack is only the beginning…

  81. 3b says:

    Juice: I would take Monmouth Co any day over Bergen after living in Bergen all these years. Was not really familiar with it years ago except for Belmar, and the commute to Wall Street was much easier from Bergen than Monmouth. With flexible work arrangements, Monmouth becomes even more attractive. We are considering retiring to Monmouth Co, but have not decided one way or the other yet. NJ ain’t retirement friendly , NY actually a little better in some respects. January through mid March will be Fla, that we both agree on; we hate the winter.

  82. Grim says:

    Happy Hanukkah folks.

  83. Grim says:

    My sister-in-law tested positive today. She had two PFE shots and a booster last Monday. My brother quarantined, but came down for a little while on Thanksgiving.

    On a (more) positive note, my brother tested negative today via PCR, 10 days from first positive test.

  84. Bystander says:

    Speaking of leaving area, anyone familiar with Triad area of NC? Greensboro and Winston Salem? Sound like decent small cities with good downtowna. Houses look cheap compared to Charlotte and Raleigh Durham. I like idea of being close to sports. One of my fav college teams plays in ACC so could see road games and ACC tourney as well.

  85. Fast Eddie says:


    I love Monmouth County. I agree with exit 109 being the southern most to go. Once you get around Eatontown, the gravitational pull of pine scrubs and brickyltuckey gets might fierce.

  86. BRT says:

    I lived in both Bergen and Monmouth County. Monmouth county’s quality of living was better in every aspect. Nicer weather from that ocean proximity, milder winter, less traffic, even during summer, cheaper prices.

    I envision retiring somewhere south and I’ll come back up every single summer and rent for 2 months. If there wasn’t the law requiring in state residence, I would live in Bucks County PA right now and still commute.

  87. crushednjmillenial says:

    Staying in NJ . . .

    Very good points on the economics for some. Parenthetically, in my opinion, this kinda tracks the remaining white people in north NJ – they are here because they have something “special” going on – successful local business, bigshot white collar job, overpaid govt jobs, rent control, or a landlord who just doesn’t raise the rent (so they are paying like $1100 for a 3BR apartment). Regular white people (like, families of my friends growing up wherein the mother of the house worked at the grocery store or at the mall or whatever) move out – to central nj or out of state.

    Another big reason to be here is for people who grew up here, your friends and family are centered here. Inevitably, they start drifting away to other parts of the country over time, though.

    Finally, 25% of this state’s population are foreign born people. So, maybe 35-45% of households in this state are headed by foreign born people (think, for example, of a household with two foreign born parents and two or three american-born children). It’s probably something like 20% of the NJ households DON’T EVEN KNOW that NJ property taxes are relatively high -they just think property taxes are high “in america.” I stood in a 100-person line for an open house to see a multi for investement purposes this fall. 90 out of the 100 people in line were likely potential owner-occupants and they overwhelmingly were not speaking english.

  88. Ex says:

    4:57 CA it’s a nice place to visit….

  89. Grim says:

    Maui for me

  90. Bystander says:

    White people in Bergen are staying because they bought house for 70k in 1980 and now worth $1m. Even with 80k a year job they have pay the $18k tax bill. The Fed inflation bubble allows them access to a high lifestyle. As crushed described, millennials competing against high earning H1B/h4 with 250-300k income. White kids in lower paying careers are suckers in NJ.

  91. Fast Eddie says:


    North Carolina, NASCAR country! ;) Yes, investigate the area. I would consider NC as well. NJ is not the same place I once knew nor is it making sense to pay for bloated government slugs with triple digit pensions. Why we pay for these muppet slobs doesn’t make sense. Even though Nashville area houses seem pricey, I look at the property taxes and wonder if it’s a misprint. I can’t justify it here anymore. If I stay in Jersey, I would look west personally, out route 80 a bit.

  92. 3b says:

    Bystander: The Feds wealth affect by inflating asset prices is destroying the younger generations. They will try and do whatever it takes to keep assets inflated. In the end they won’t be successful in my opinion.

  93. crushednjmillenial says:

    Bystander at 7:59 . . .

    Very good point. I think about this sometimes regarding this metropoltian area’s housing market – what percentage of home owners could purchase their home if it was for sale today at today’s prices?

    Certainly, a huge percentage of any blue ribbon town’s homeowners purchased a house at prices that would be considered hilariously low to today’s sensibilities. Separate, but related – I do still see some houses for sale today at lower prices than the homeowner paid for it during 2005-2007.

  94. 3b says:

    Crushed: A good number of foreign buyers are also multi- generational and they pool their resources. For instance a house a few doors from me was purchased by a middle eastern family their 3 children are American born. Both sets of grandparents along with the mother and Father of the 3 kids all live in a 3/4 bedroom house. Native born Americans won’t live like that.

  95. Bystander says:

    Not sure if anyone following coaching shuffle craze but Brian Kelly is leaving ND for LSU..money talks, Jesus walks. Also, Lincoln Riley left OU to coach USC. Here is what he gets:

    $110 million
    – USC buying both his homes in Norman for $500,000 over asking ($1 million bonus)
    – Buying a $6 million home in LA for him
    – Unlimited use of the private jet 24/7 for family

    Hey but paying a stipend to athletes will kill college athletics..

  96. Phoenix says:

    Chinese do that as well.

  97. Phoenix says:

    No matter how far south you go in Jersey, no matter how far west you go in Jersey, you are still in Jersey.
    And the same laws apply.

    Better off leaving the state once and for all. I can’t wait to go. A few more years when my kid is an adult and it’s see ya.

  98. Phoenix says:

    Rural hospitals don’t have much of anything, especially ICU beds. They can’t afford to staff them.
    A couple of Covid’s send them right off the edge. Plus many don’t have the money for those high priced fancy dancy antiviral treatments.

    Jersey is loaded with Cash. And even here they are grappling with paying for staff. Some places are restricting surgical procedures as they don’t have the staff to get the cases done.
    Oh well.

  99. Trick says:

    Middle school just went virtual after 20+ kids tested positive after a PTA event.

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