$931,698 – What the average NJ resident will pay in taxes over their life

From NJ101.5:

New Jersey residents pay the most taxes over a lifetime

The governor downplays it and the media, the PR arm of the Democrat Party, seem to ignore it. Taxes are and have been the biggest concerns of most informed adults in New Jersey for generations. So, when a recent poll came out that points out the fact that taxes are the biggest problem facing the state, most of us without our heads up our asses, said “duh!

In New Jersey, we have a giant, well-funded bureaucracy. Government is just too big in this state. The problem with reducing it now, is that most families have at least someone who is connected to it. So many people want to keep the gravy train going for their mom, dad, son, or daughter and vote for the party of big government, Democrats.

They have a majority in both the assembly and senate that will probably never be overcome. Now we are in a period that we will even elect Democrat governors who promise to raise taxes and thumb their noses at the constituents who complain about it. The big tax that hurts the most and drives so many people out of the state is property taxes. The biggest chunk of that tax goes to pay for public schools, about 70-75%.

In New Jersey we have two sets of people. The people who work to pay taxes to feed the machine, and people who make up the giant machine that can’t be satisfied unless taxes go higher and higher. The tax burden is more than just property taxes. We here in New Jersey will pay more taxes than any other state over a lifetime. Some people benefit greatly from those taxes and most of us just suffer through it because we love this state.

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86 Responses to $931,698 – What the average NJ resident will pay in taxes over their life

  1. dentss dunnigan says:


  2. Hold my beer says:

    Vote with your feet. the 44th President pointed out you have 56 other states to choose from.

  3. The Great Pumpkin says:

    I hate articles like this. Want to ruin what’s great about this state. Lower the taxes at the expense of our society. Get rid of the cops, replace them with low cost store security that will work with criminals to help rob you since they are paid so low. Destroy our public school system so our kids are on the same level as backwoods Alabama. Then attract a bunch of selfish individuals to our state who are obsessed with paying almost no taxes and keeping all their money at the expense of society.

    If we destroy our public education we become just another low tax state with nothing to offer except low taxes. Go move to those low cost states with all the other individuals obsessed with low taxes at the expense of everything else, what is stopping you?

  4. The Great Pumpkin says:

    No one,

    Capitalism isn’t perfect. Balance. Extreme capitalism can cause as much problems as socia!sm. A lot of angry people out there for a reason…capitalism not working for them.

    You ignore how bad human nature can be.

    I’m for capitalism like Phoenix, it’s the best system, but we both are not blind to its faults.

  5. 3b says:

    Yeah just keep raising taxes so we can have multiple police forces for small towns where almost every cop is a captain or Sargent and the forces are equipped like paramilitary forces. And our supposedly superior public school systems and then send the kids off to multiple other state public universities, only for many of them to never return. Keep raising the taxes so a pos cape will be 25k in taxes at some point. It’s simply not sustainable.

  6. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Sounds like you crying about me.

    PumpkinFace says:
    December 5, 2021 at 9:52 am

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:


    If you don’t appreciate what you get in this state, why are you here? You want the complete opposite of nj; you want low cost taxes by providing almost zero police presence, garbage schools, and almost zero services from your local govt.

  8. 3b says:

    Pumps: As I have told you multiple times over the years because I care about the younger generations. You pontificate all the time about how great high taxes are. You are fortunate in that you married up, and property taxes are not an issue for you. In addition the taxes provide you with a pension, that most others don’t get.

  9. Clown World says:

    The article linked in the post is surprisingly well done for NJ 101.5 quality. The key point is that a majority of NJ families have someone that is employed by the state, either in the immediate family or one zoomed out one degree of separation. As such, the vast majority vote in favor of the tax increases because they have a direct personal connection to the benefit.

    Here is the problem – The families that do not have a cop, fireman, teacher, sanitation worker, DMV worker etc etc in their home are comprised of 2 or more private sector workers. These “private sector families” are the minority, and they will always be out-voted when budges are drawn up and approved. On the other hand, the “private sector families” comprise a majority of the personal tax revenue base. Over time, and at an accelerating pace, the “private sector families” will leave the state. The economics reaches a tipping point and as much as they may love NJ, they decide to leave.

    They take their state income tax, spending sales tax and property tax with them. This is currently not an urgent problem, it’s why Murphy can thumb his nose with statements like “Maybe NJ isn’t the state for you” However, this will reach a tipping point and then accelerate exponentially. Sometime during my lifetime (40 or so more years) the state will be forced to cut their spending. I hope I am around to see it.

    What happens when some governor is forced to face the music – he can’t increase taxes anymore and no longer has the credit rating to borrow? Well, then the fun really starts – The the public sector unions will turn on each other.

    Teacher’s salary vs Cop health benefits vs firemen’s retirement etc. It will be a blood bath and there will be no majority to circle the wagons behind a central candidate. This will happen in the next 10-20 years, maybe sooner. You will not want to be a government employee when it happens.

  10. Grim says:

    Nj101.5 may be the of the biggest newsrooms left in NJ now. It’s not in my regular rotation, but I’m seeing it come up fairly often, with fairly good local content.

  11. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Let them leave, clown. The more people that leave, the more the costs are lowered. I’ve been hearing your position for decades. Nj is dead…blah blah blah. Yet, it keeps on going.

    Again, too many people take for granted what they get in these high cost states like nj. Are you scared in your neighborhood? Do ever really feel unsafe in your neighborhood or school? Wake up. You guys think other places are just like you have it here in nj.

  12. Ex says:

    No pumps, the state needs victims….I mean citizens to maintain growth. These entitlements aren’t going to pay for themselves…..

  13. Phoenix says:

    State doesn’t seem to have a shortage of “victims” willing to pony up top dollar to live here.

    But just like with the Coffin Corner, eventually you run into a situation where even with two incomes you come up short.

    Leverage. In a negotiation, at work, in a fight at a bar, with your wife, in court, when face to face with a cop, or trying to loosen a lug nut.

    You use leverage to get what you want. But remember, in every one of those situations, when you push something to that limit where it almost breaks, sometimes it does. And then you read about it or watch it on the 6pm news.

  14. Phoenix says:

    Poor Guy. Posted this on a lovely bright sunny Sunday. He just found out he has 17 years of hell in front of him.

    “Partner and I broke up 2 days ago. She apparently hasn’t felt the spark the last couple of months even though there was no sign of this. We have a 16 month old daughter.

    She’s saying that I cannot have my daughter overnight and only when
    she’s at work during the day.

    Is she allowed to do this? I want a fair amount of time with my daughter.”

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:

    All I’m saying is that desirable locations are expensive no matter what. 3b lives in Bergen County. What do you expect? You think it’s going to be cheap?! That’s like shopping in a designer store and complaining about the cost. Go to Walmart then.

    Just understand, the amount of money you have to pay for a desirable location in Texas, Florida, or any other state or country is expensive. Location, location, location.

    So move to a cheaper location if that’s what you really want, just don’t expect to be like living in Bergen f’ing county.

  16. grim says:

    Rt back up to 1.2 today.

  17. Phoenix says:

    Rt back up to 1.2 today.

    Go out and exercise. It’s your best defense after vaccination.

  18. Phoenix says:

    The biggest danger of Covid is not the virus itself, its how humans react to it.

  19. Clown World says:

    Great Pumpkin – Don’t get sensitive, I honestly get no joy in this prediction, and afterall, it’s just a prediction and I am just a Clown.

    I feel badly for you and your colleagues. You were lied to and frankly, stolen from. I’ve lived in NJ for my entire life. This is my home, but the writing is on the wall.

    If you want some free advice – I’d be making a hell of a lot of noise with your union about your future pension security. The math is just simply not in your favor.

  20. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Silicon Valley’s metaverse will suck reality into the virtual world — and ostracize those who aren’t plugged in


  21. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thank you for actually being sincere instead of bashing teachers as the problem. I appreciate it.

  22. Fast Eddie says:

    Destroy our public school system so our kids are on the same level as backwoods Alabama.

    Elementary school teachers with six digit salaries is absurd. The NJ teacher’s union should be brought up on RICO charges. Two thirds of NJ property taxes are confiscated so public school teachers and administrators can gorge themseleves.

  23. Fast Eddie says:

    <I<Destroy our public school system so our kids are on the same level as backwoods Alabama.

    Elementary school teachers with six digit salaries is absurd. The NJ teacher’s union should be brought up on R1CO charges. Two thirds of NJ property taxes are conf1scated so public school teachers and administrators can g0rge themselves.

  24. crushednjmillenial says:

    Clown World’s post at 10:21 . . .

    Regarding his point that so many NJ families have someone in a govt job, so these families will always out-vote those in favor of reigning in spending . . .

    Murphy almost just lost in 2021. He won by 3%. In votes, he won by around 85,000 votes, so if Ciaterelli had 42,500 or so D voters switch, he would have won.

    2021 was a red wave. But, it SURELY was NOT the highest red wave that could still roll through the NJ electorate. Ciaterrelli didn’t hammer Murphy on several points that were tremendous liabilities for him (shut down small business, six month wait for UE benefits, the nursing homes disaster, etc). If C was a better candidate and ran a better campaign, he would have won.

    As of today and for 2025 and maybe 2029, NJ still has an electorate that could put a R in the Gov’s mansion and a R majority in the legislature during a red wave. Christie somewhat framed teh question correctly “Mr. Taxpayer, does your money belong in your pocket or in the government workers pension fund?” Ciaterelli was more subdued on this issue.

    The part that I don’t understand is what the D’s are waiting for – they have an opportunity to change this state’s electorate such that NJ will never elect R’s to power not even in the highest wave elections, until there is a political re-alignment. The NJ D’s today could re-zone the north NJ blue cities that they control to create new housing that absorbs more NYC-transplants who will vote “blue no matter who”. If I was an institutional D (as in, I benefit from D’s holding power in this state regardless of the individuals in the offices), I am issuing any PILOT to any developer looking to build any apartment building in Paterson, Elizabeth, or Perth Amboy that he wants. Zero set-backs, zero on-site parking, 45 kids per classroom. I get why they are tepid about it in Newark – faster growth will eventually mean that the North Newark-Downtown-Ironbound coaltion will take power from the Central, West and South Ward coalition, but I don’t see it in the other NJ cities.

  25. crushednjmillenial says:

    Pumpkin at 9:40 said “If we destroy our public education we become just another low tax state with nothing to offer except low taxes. ”

    I disagree. NJ’s wealth and its appeal arise from its basic scheme of legalized segregation. This legalized segregation would still continue whether or not NJ had a high tax level.

    In NJ, we have tiny towns with a school system that can only be accessed by having an
    expensive and scarce residence in the town. Then, the towns fiercely oppose any new housing to be built in the town or anything else that will lower property values. The peers of the children in the schools are generally high-ish IQ and are being raised to at least not be tremendously disruptive to other children’s education (at best, your kids’ peers might encourage competitive achievement in school). The adults living in the town are not committing overt violent crime on strangers, probably not having loud parties every night, probably not driving drunk and crashing into road equipment.

    If every NJ rich town tomorrow cut all local govt salaries in half, the system still mostly goes forward. The rich town is still safe, quiet, and clean, albeit expensive.

    Finally, and btw, I don’t mean racial segregation. In the coastal northeast, we have socioeconomic segregation – it’s a bit less common in other places. For example, Plano, TX is a high-income, NJ-style suburb of Dallas. Plano has a population of 285,000 people.

  26. BRT says:

    Honestly, when I entered the profession, I was fully aware the pension system was in trouble. The reality is, the NJ politicians started destroying it when Pumpkin and I were still in high school. Anyone entering the profession now should know the score. Unfortunately, a lot of them (kids 22 and 23) hopelessly cling to the belief that they will get a great pension.

  27. RentL0rd says:

    While I’m not an NJ basher, this is a shame: NJ spends $1.14 million per lane mile in highway maintenance and ranks 50th in the nation.

  28. The Great Pumpkin says:

    It’s messed up. I understand the taxpayer’s pt of view as I pay over 30k in property taxes to nj, but I also understand the pt of view of the worker.

    If you are not giving these people a pension, why are you telling them they are? The state knows damn well that if they take away the pension they will not be able to find teachers. No one is going to do this job at the current pay rate without a pension and health benefits. That’s the reality. So it’s messed up beyond belief that you don’t tell the workers the truth because you know you need them…

    It’s even more messed up that they robbed the pension silly, when it could have payed for itself, and now make current workers pay into it (added tax) when others didn’t have to.

    BRT says:
    December 5, 2021 at 6:50 pm
    Honestly, when I entered the profession, I was fully aware the pension system was in trouble. The reality is, the NJ politicians started destroying it when Pumpkin and I were still in high school. Anyone entering the profession now should know the score. Unfortunately, a lot of them (kids 22 and 23) hopelessly cling to the belief that they will get a great pension.

  29. Fast Eddie says:

    NJ is a smash N grab for fat, bloated muppets in public positions. The populace will scrap to pay for every toll, every tax, every regulation and every failed policy and m0rons keep electing fellow m0rons who peddle collect1vist ideas.

  30. Bystander says:

    Nice. Indians trained by the best Jack Welch “Winning” style

    Digital mortgage startup Better.com invited 900 employees to a short Zoom call last week — to inform them they were all being laid off just before the holidays. CEO Vishal Garg announced the layoffs, citing market efficiency, performance and productivity, and also accused the staff of “stealing” from their colleagues and customers by being unproductive, Fortune reports. SoftBank-backed Better.com has a valuation of around $7 billion and last week received $750 million as part of a deal to go public through a SPAC.

  31. Phoenix says:

    Those you support voted for Murphy. They cared about themselves, not about you.

    Let that sink in on Monday morning.

  32. Phoenix says:

    Vishal Garg?

    That’s the sound my bowels made while I took a dump this morning.

    Wasn’t pretty either.

  33. RentL0rd says:

    The sequel of Up In The Air is here. Vishal Garg replacing George Clooney

  34. grim says:

    I watched that Better.com zoom call.

    That dude, Vishal Garg, is as American as they come.

  35. Bystander says:


    Spot on. I’ve seen enough cool, neck tat people selling making 500k on Brooklyn apt sale and moving to my area in CT, using for $1m home. No offense – they could be making bank salary but hard time believing all. I sit and listen to it at Westport Y every Sunday. I told story of friend who bought 900k house with 20k taxes based on two average incomes (home was sold 700k 5 years ago). RE inflation has allowed many people to move up and remain in area. Salaries have not followed for majority of regular roles. Another 2008 style recession and many wiped out if partner does not work. I look forward to it especially after a weekend of CT christmas tree farm visits and fighting families showing up with NY plates/Mercedes GLS pulling in. Faux wealth off the charts. Thanks Oz Powell.

    “But just like with the Coffin Corner, eventually you run into a situation where even with two incomes you come up short.”

  36. Juice Box says:

    Better posted like 80 millions a quarter in losses! Seriously how many mortgage brokers are there these days, that they would even have so many employees? Is this some kind of referral business?

  37. Chicago says:

    Straight up thought the same thing.

    RentL0rd says:
    December 6, 2021 at 9:30 am
    The sequel of Up In The Air is here. Vishal Garg replacing George Clooney

  38. Phoenix says:

    Very American:

    In a mail obtained by Forbes magazine in 2020, he wrote to staff: “You are TOO DAMN SLOW. You are a bunch of DUMB DOLPHINS… SO STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING ME

  39. Chicago says:

    Disagree. Also, it is a cultural no-no to whack people beyond 11/15ish. This is tone deaf in American Society. Also, consider their main customer are the virtual signaling millennials, it could conceivably backfire. He comes off as a South Asian businessman through a Zuckerberg lease.

    grim says:
    December 6, 2021 at 9:33 am
    I watched that Better.com zoom call.

    That dude, Vishal Garg, is as American as they come.

  40. Chicago says:

    Virtue signaling

  41. Chicago says:

    Zuck lense

  42. Phoenix says:

    He better hope none of his remote working minions figure out a way to hack into his personal dirt and put it on display for all to see.

  43. Phoenix says:

    Time for a sequel to the movie Falling Down.

  44. Phoenix says:

    Or a sequel to Christmas Vacation, where redneck Eddie captures Vishal and gives him the old Texas Tour.

  45. Phoenix says:

    Hey Pumpy,

    Can you do this? Now this is a teacher.


  46. Libturd says:

    You guys are nuts.

  47. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Back to the last thread and the dismissal of natural immunity.

    It’s total propaganda that natural immunity is inferior to these fauci shots. Exposure to SARS 1 has provided apparent lifelong immunity. The paper is out there.

    Yet the people who have been propagandized think that a leaky two month shot are safer company. Sad to see such a gullible populace.

  48. Phoenix says:


    Your statement is true. If you get Covid and die from it you can never get it again. That’s a fact.

  49. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Who is nuts? – Vishal that t*hr*eat*ened to bu*r*n his former friend aliv*e during a dep*ositi*on, guy is a straight up hip hop mortgage mogul. Should be an interesting crash and burn, the second rates go up the refi game is over.

  50. Juice Box says:

    Look I just had my third shot 3 days ago, it’s perfectly fine, there is nothing to see here it’s extremely effective as I cannot get covid now for at least four more weeks.

  51. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    A cruise ship carrying 100% who took the shot just had an outbreak. Biden calls it an epidemic of the unvaccinated and the drones nod their heads. These petty tyrants like de blasio have lost their minds.

  52. Libturd says:

    And Trump said it would be over by Easter, 2020.

    Fauci shots. That’s funny.

  53. Libturd says:

    “Biden calls it an epidemic of the unvaccinated and the drones nod their heads.”

    People get the flu shot occasionally got the flu too. You were and still are better off being vaccinated.

    Or you could get your advice from Trump’s most prominent medical expert, My Pillow guy.

  54. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Let’s start calling it AAT. Always about trump.

    Yes I’m the end the effectiveness of the shots calling them a vaccine is part of the propaganda narrative, it’s dreadful. Higher deaths this year despite the dot availability and mandates. They really worked great.

  55. Juice Box says:

    Deblasio decides to play the tyrant card on the way out the door.

    “NEW YORK (AP) — All private employers in New York City will have to require their workers to get vaccinated against COVID-19, the mayor announced Monday, imposing one of the most aggressive vaccine rules in the nation.”

    “De Blasio, a Democrat with just weeks left in office as leader of the nation’s largest city, said the mandate will take effect Dec. 27.”

  56. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    That will accomplish nothing except perhaps further disenfranchising done minorities.

  57. Juice Box says:

    Honestly Deblasio is just doing what he does best making the Democrats all look bad again and again, he puts in a vaccine mandate for adults and children to start 4 days before he leaves office so say he was tough or whatever when he has to defeat Governor Hochul in the primary six months from now.

  58. Fast Eddie says:

    Let’s start calling it AAT. Always about trump.

    Every day. Every… single… day. The left and the media have nothing positive to report from their perspective. Shit pants O’Biden’s administration has been a miscarr1age from day one. What else do you expect? Go to msnbc.com right now and it’ll be Jan 6th, Trump, capital erect1on and some reworded garbage over and over. I didn’t even go to msdnc page and I can guarantee it’s something about Trump. I just went to Yahoo and it says Trump gave Covid to 500 people. The left and their toadies are suffering from an illness far worse than cov1d.

  59. Juice Box says:

    Deblasio is a liability to the party and the midterms, can’t Biden just give him a job to an open position like ambassador to Afghanistan or something else far away from here?

  60. Ex says:

    11:34 that is exactly what they did with the last mayor of LA.
    The homeless crisis did that guy in a Joe B gave him Ambassador to India.

  61. Phoenix says:

    Eventually Americans are going to get tired of the concept of law when you see the games they play.

    That day is coming closer.

  62. Phoenix says:

    Corporate games comment:

    “My boss told about 70 staff by zoom that we would all be losing our jobs on 30th September but actually knew he had problems in May but kept it quiet. We have not been paid since June and he is keeping us hostage till 24th Dec without pay, We cannot claim benefits until he gives us a dismissal letter and other papers so my lawyer is trying to get the contract annulled. Some bosses just use their workers and then throw them away.”

  63. Juice Box says:

    Old Fart – That is old data, CDC is not keeping real-time data on break through infections, breakthrough infections for fully vaccinated is approx 16% of covid deaths.

    Latest study from the CDC was September and fully vaccinated accounted for 16% of deaths, 14% of hospitalizations, and 18% of all new infections.


  64. Juice Box says:

    Here is a better link.


    Point being they should have reformulated for delta variant many many months ago, however there is no warp speed anymore we are still stuck in the slow lane behind the blue hair driver and the spouse who need frequent bathroom breaks…..

    Multi-variant MRNA vaccine, includes all known variants….it’s been tested it works they should roll it out post haste.

  65. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    Utter bullshlt. A relatively small number of people were “fully vaccinated” when that was produced. No different than Murphy saying the “vaccines” are 99.9% effective around that time. Of course the propaganda never asked him what he meant by that.

  66. Old realtor says:

    Your stats still make the point clearly that GOAT is talking out his a#$. Compelling statistic that 84% of covid deaths are among the unvaccinated.

  67. Bystander says:


    So who you guys running in 2024?

  68. Juice Box says:

    Old realtor – It’s both of you and GOAT speaking from the rear blowhole, the point is pretty simple here.

    As I and many other are saying even louder now than ever we are vaccinating for only BETA variant spike protein in the mRNA instructions when the only strains that are active now are Delta and now Omicron.

    Would you go to your doctor TODAY and take a flu vaccine that was formulated for a strain from two years ago, on the off chance it might work? And just for the the 16% of the fully vaccinated that died and the others that might have had serious issues why aren’t they moving faster to distribute and updated vaccine. Pfizer and Moderna have been clear about it for months, they will get it done but we need to rules to change to adapt to a virus that mutates every few months….We know now it will not be going away anytime soon, we need to move faster before the next mutation sends a few million more people to take a final dirt nap.

  69. BidenIsTheGOAT says:

    I said natural immunity is superior 100x a fauci shot, not that no one should get a shot.

    Though if we find that people who got the shot are carrying a higher viral load and continuing to faster spread, which is suspected, then it would make sense to limit who gets it.

    How many of those unvaccinated deaths were caused by fake fauci shot spreader?

    The mandates and guidelines make no sense and are just punitive or for show.

  70. Juice Box says:

    Donald Trump Jr.

    Don’t believe me check with the Washington Post. They put him on the Top 10 list.

  71. JUice Box says:

    Deblasio should have sentenced the unvaccinated New Yorkers to deliberate infection instead of the unemployment line.

  72. Libturd says:

    Juice, agree on all counts. Nice to see some non-political comments on Covid for a change. And I would probably get that flu vaccine you mentioned. Then again, I’ve seen what they pumped into my son to nearly kill him SIX times. After that, there’s little medicine that scares me. I’ll weight the benefits myself based on the research at hand. Regardless of what any sitting president says. They are all compulsive liars anyway. The SCOTUS justices as well. Pretty much, if you get paid by the government, you are not to be trusted. Someone hit upon it here yesterday. The day of reckoning for our country is near. Why? Because the populace no longer holds our leadership accountable for anything and immorality and constant lying rules the day. Regardless of party. It’s all about the gravy train. There’s a reason they are not warp speeding the protection for the next rotation. There are hundreds of millions of people around the world still willing to pay for the nearly ineffective out-of-date vaccines.

    Forget warp speed or any other mostly symbolic program. Get the whole world together to work on a solution and distribute it free and quickly. Obviously, we can print all of the money that it takes with real “immunity.”

  73. BidenIsTheGOAT says:


    You’re making a straw man. I wouldn’t encourage a healthy person to take a flu shot at all. I certainly wouldn’t force anyone to. The effectiveness of the flu shot at reducing death is very dubious. Just like the covid fauci shot, there odd selection bias in the data.

  74. Juice Box says:

    Lib – Warp speed was not symbolic. The previous record for a vaccine approval was four years. We right now would be waiting at least three more years from now for rollout in the year 2025 for the covid vaccines if we did not cut the red tape.

  75. Libturd says:

    I am aware of the changes made to the approval process as well as the massive guaranteed spending regardless of the early results. I’ll stand corrected. It was more than symbolic. But now it’s time for Pfizer and Moderna to take profits before OWS 2.0 can be started.

    I shared what should have been done back in March 2020. We needed a space program. Not just some guaranteed payments and approval relaxation. We still do. Won’t happen. Can’t make Pfizer do you any favors. It’s the other way around. You bend over backwards for Pfizer. Someone has to pay for the family trip to the Barbados where dad will have to run off for an hour to listen to Pfizer Execs complain about how rough the business environment is for them. But don’t worry kids. Dad will be back in time for dinner. Meanwhile, have fun with the Smiths over there. They helped campaign for your dad. They too got to come. As a matter of fact, all of the kids on the beach today have been brought here by Pfizer. I wonder if they would give me a sweetheart loan?

  76. RentL0rd says:

    GOAT – do you know what is mRNA?

    Hint: It’s not a typo of your call girl’s name.

  77. JCer says:

    Ok to interject, the data on the vaccines is clear they prevent severe infection but do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to prevent the spread. The issue at hand is this perverse notion that the government has a right to intervene in personal medical decisions that now have proven to really only impact the individual. Children have absolutely nothing to fear from this virus nor do healthy 25 year olds nor do the previously infected. If they decide they do not want to take the jab which in and of itself is not without risk it should be their prerogative.

    Those of us carrying some extra weight, having high blood pressure,a pre-existing condition, who are senior citizens would be well advised to jab up for their own safety. The same is true for us younger middle aged folks, the virus could kill us, the data is clear we are safer taking the vaccine than not, incidence of side effects are less than incidents of severe covid.

    Lets not make this political, either you believe in our rights as free Americans or you do not, you believe the science or you do not. There is no rational argument for the mandate ultimate the person who denies the vaccine has the most to lose. Again the data is clear transmission among the vaccinated happens, my kids vaccinated teacher spread it to un-vaccinated kids who then spread it to vaccinated adults. We know literally tons of people who have had breakthrough infections even a month or 2 after their second jabs. Maybe it helped and maybe it didn’t if you look in the UK the majority of deaths were in the vaccinated. Statistically speaking there is little to no difference regarding transmission between the vaccinated and un-vaccinated.

  78. Bystander says:

    Man, what does it tell you about financial job market in NYC when woman I’ve known for 15 years bolts finance hiring to do IT recruiting for government contracts?

  79. Bystander says:

    Donald Trump Jr.? Hah, the apple seed brain does not fall far from tree. Some will keep on supporting this chlorine-damaged gene pool.

    “Anybody that doesn’t think there wasn’t massive election fraud in the 2020 presidential election is either very stupid, or very corrupt!”
    -DJT, Dec 4th 2021.

    We agree Dumpy..we agree.

  80. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Fun times. Get shakes thinking back during Christie era when teachers started getting attacked.

    “EdWeek captures a certain attitude about the approach with its headline calling the programs “efforts to toughen teacher evaluation,” because part of the guiding theory was that teachers had had it too easy for too long.”


  81. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Oh wow, look at that. Proof teachers do their jobs. They will never say that…this will just be used to bash remote teaching. No one will use it to say teachers really matter.

    “Ac­cu­mu­lat­ing ev­i­dence shows the dam­age of school shut­downs. Now a work­ing pa­per pub­lished in the Na­tional Bu­reau of Eco­nomic Re­search doc­u-ments how much re­mote learn­ing re­duced stu­dent achieve­ment, es­pe­cially for low-in­come and mi­nor­ity chil­dren.”


  82. chicagofinance says:

    One of the older sisters of my daughter’s friend who is 14 was just hospitalized with COVID complications. The patient is athletic. Mom is dentist and dad is a rheumatoid doctor. Based on the quarantine status of siblings, it appears all kids 8-16 unvaxed. Children of medical professionals. Colts Neck.

    JCer says:
    December 6, 2021 at 3:52 pm
    Children have absolutely nothing to fear from this virus nor do healthy 25 year olds nor do the previously infected. If they decide they do not want to take the jab which in and of itself is not without risk it should be their prerogative.

  83. RentL0rd says:

    JCer, your assumption that a vaccine does nothing to stop the spread is based on your biased thinking not fact.

    I will try to dumb it down. When you cough less because you are better protected you spread less germs.

    PS: I am qualified to make this statement, not a youtube scientist.

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