From TAP Wayne:
Mapping the New Housing Developments in Wayne
This article is to help Wayne residents visualize where each of the proposed new residential developments will be built in Wayne over the next several years. Below, you will find images of concept plans taken from the Wayne Township Planning Board Department webpage on Affordable Housing over sections of Google Maps showing where each will be built in Wayne
As part of the township’s affordable housing obligation, seven new developments will be built in Wayne, adding a total of 2,961 new residential units – 528 of these units will be “set aside” as “affordable.”
An eighth development at 1655 Valley Rd is still under negotiations. This is currently an office building with several tenants – each with long-term leases. It is unclear how many residential units will be added, or if the project will move forward at all. But it is mentioned in the final Fair Share Housing settlement agreement, so is worth mentioning here.
The largest development by far will be built on the Toys R Us property. This is also still being negotiated, though the number of units has been settled. A whopping 1,360 residential units will be created, likely in several multi-level apartment buildings. No details are available as to what this will look like.
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Where da ping pong facility at?
Top left.
Smells blue ribbony
Fixed it
That was an opinion piece from Bloomberg, not my mouth. And they are dead on…read it over again.
3b says:
April 17, 2022 at 10:32 pm
Just volunteered for a big assignment this past Thursday and got to pick my own team and map out the entire plan, including the resources I need. Our productivity has never been higher along with our profits, as well as employee satisfaction.
There’s the difference between someone who has zero experience in corporate America posting other peoples opinions vs someone who lives it and does it everyday along with thousands of others.
Lot of new housing coming to Wayne…NIMBY bitches! Oh well…what can you do.
3b,
You are taking a short term trend and running with it. Give it some time to see how it starts to be a bad thing over time.
“Research by Stanford economist Nicholas Bloom and his co-authors estimate that working from home during the pandemic increased productivity as much as 5% (depending on the job), largely from avoiding a commute and having more quiet time. But he explained over email that there can be too much of a good thing: “I see the WFH impact on productivity a bit like going to the gym — great in moderation but problematic in excess.””
Awesome Grim..hah
Careful brother, you can’t recreate time.
Maybe we need tokens. One at thirty days. Almost half way there.
Yeah, serious trolling there lol
Ten at 286
When the Toys property was sold a few years back everyone SWORE it would remain commercial/office space, they couldn’t fathom anything else. Wayne would never approve a MASSIVE residential development there. Of course every time I mentioned that it made no sense as commercial, and was only valuable as residential, everyone screamed bloody murder.
I’m surprised only 1360 units – that’s not even close to what they can put on that property – I’d call that Phase 1. Probably closer to 3000-4000 units at the proposed density.
…and there are still tons of potential properties to develop.
That’s a lot of additional traffic on your roads. I can’t even make a left onto Grove Street from my cross road anymore. I drive down to where there is a light. This is coming to YOUR area Grim.
Those deep Wayne locations really suck for multifamily development. It’s not at all convenient to any highway, and cross-cutting Wayne takes way more time than anyone ever realizes. That said, the Hamburg corridor does have most everything you need to not have to travel far, few years back that wasn’t really the case.
Whoever designed the parking lot at your newish Trader Joe’s needs to be hung by their foreskin. Or at least, put the entrance of the TJ’s on the NW corner of the building. Same with that Starbucks (not that I go there, but Gator does). That parking lot is just silly, with the drive thru running through it.
Oh that buck on the corner of Hamburg is a horror show.
https://www.nj.com/news/2022/04/almost-a-decade-after-sandy-nj-transit-begins-building-a-dry-place-to-park-trains.html
What I don’t understand….I thought no one wants to live in NJ. It’s a horrible place according to so many, yet here we are constantly building. Why don’t they all go to Texas or some other state. This state is horrible, you don’t want to live here…better off in the south or midwest…..so please go and stop building here. Maybe raise the taxes some more…
This new model of multi-building strip malls isn’t at all conducive to good traffic flow.
The one in Clifton (with the Pizzeria Uno, Michaels, etc) – holy christ is that a disaster. Nevermind the cut through to Costco in the back. Very similar to the redevelopment of West Belt Mall in Wayne (the new Costco, JC Penney, Shake Shack, etc) – also a god damned mess. These places all exhibit the exact same fault – the main/primary parking is on the primary thru-roads, exits, and entrances. Anyone attempting to park is blocking traffic. Backing out of spots is a nightmare and causes similar traffic issues.
I will not ever go into that place. The level of frustration involved is incredible.
I just don’t understand why they continue to add housing in north jersey. Unless the roads can handle it, it’s prob not smart to add a ton of new housing. But hey, just throw in the trendy word of “affordable housing” and all of a sudden the politicians and developers ignore all common sense. It’s like a drug to them….it’s affordable housing people, we are doing god’s work. Meanwhile they create like 10% affordable housing and 90% profit based. Yea, it’s all about the money hidden behind the veil of affordable housing…it’s for the people!
Greed is a hell of drug…
Libturd says:
April 18, 2022 at 8:40 am
That’s a lot of additional traffic on your roads. I can’t even make a left onto Grove Street from my cross road anymore. I drive down to where there is a light. This is coming to YOUR area Grim.
I just don’t understand why they continue to add housing in north jersey.
It’s the law. I’m pretty sure all of these developments were proposed utilizing “Builders Remedy” – as are most all of NJ’s high density developments.
This is the dance as prescribed by law. Builder proposes. Township declines. Builder sues. Township has no alternative.
This is what towns get for ignoring their affordable housing obligation under the law.
For Wayne specifically, these developments allowed the town to meet their obligation only through 2025.
Going to go puke now. The law is a joke. It should be driven by common sense. Not ruin the quality of life for all based on a bs law trying to help the few.
“For Wayne specifically, these developments allowed the town to meet their obligation only through 2025.”
The additional housing is built to justify increased salaries for the public working class. The higher the population, the greater each manager and director is remunerated. Of course, the 10K the condo owner pays in taxes doesn’t even cover the cost of the first kid attending public school, let alone a second or even third. But each increase in population means everyone deserves more pay. I mean, they are doing additional work, no? More cops, more firemen, more teachers, more people in the municipal building.
Never forget. NJ is for three classes of people. The public sector worker, those with money to burn (rich enough to claim your residence to be a farm) and the poor. The rest of us exist to pay for those three.
Construction question:
Is onsite drainage and retention basins required for these developments? What are the requirements for runoff mitigation?
Absolutely, and it’s generally the first line defense strategy used by townships against development.
What’s challenging though is when these are redevelopments of existing developed properties. Usually what’s put in place to replace is less of a problem than what it replaced.
In the set of Wayne properties – it’s only the Galreh development on rt23 that’s net new, and in a questionable area.
Grim channeling his inner Pumps
grim says:
April 18, 2022 at 8:37 am
When the Toys property was sold a few years back everyone SWORE it would remain commercial/office space, they couldn’t fathom anything else. Wayne would never approve a MASSIVE residential development there. Of course every time I mentioned that it made no sense as commercial, and was only valuable as residential, everyone screamed bloody murder.
I’m surprised only 1360 units – that’s not even close to what they can put on that property – I’d call that Phase 1. Probably closer to 3000-4000 units at the proposed density.
…and there are still tons of potential properties to develop
That’s the bottom line. The more people that come to a location, the higher the cost of everything. It’s the truth. That’s why Texas and Florida are f/ed. Only a matter of time until they are one of us, if they are not already. We are just fortunate that they took on so many people that would have been living here…then we would be really f/ed.
“But each increase in population means everyone deserves more pay.”
Sorry, 3b, it looks like you are going to end up in the same position with this WFH debate as you did with the suburbs. The teacher (non corporate) most likely was right again. Of course, being a teacher, no respect will be given.
“The signs are there, just as they were, before the Delta and Omicron coronavirus variants hit — more employees are returning from the home office to the work office.
Unlike the past false starts, this time seems to be for real.
Mass transit agencies are seeing a cautious return of commuters. NY Waterway’s cross Hudson River ferries are seeing an increasing higher return of weekday commuters.
“Since March 21, we’ve averaged 10,615 daily weekday riders, up from the 10,200 for early March,” Wiley Norvell, an NY Waterway spokesman. “This is roughly a 300% increase over the beginning of March last year.””
https://www.nj.com/news/2022/04/are-nj-workers-finally-going-back-to-the-office-experts-debate-hybrid-pros-and-cons.html
One can’t proudly proclaim they are Liberal and care for the poor and minorities and then complain when affordable housing is set aside for them in nice towns. If you don t want this in your town, then you are a racist. That’s my problem with many Liberals, the hypocrisy on this subject. You can’t scream about racist red hat Trump supporters, and in the same breath scream about affordable housing destroying your town.
I’m not a racist, but a realist. If capitalism is what we are based on, you go where you can afford. It should not be the govt’s job to dictate affordable housing in a market based economy. Simple as that. All that affordable housing creates is a means for developers to get around developments that are blocked by the citizens living in said town. Go try and build affordable housing next to these developers houses…let’s see that happen. A nice 10 story high rise of affordable housing, right next to the guys pushing it.
3b says:
April 18, 2022 at 10:28 am
One can’t proudly proclaim they are Liberal and care for the poor and minorities and then complain when affordable housing is set aside for them in nice towns. If you don t want this in your town, then you are a racist. That’s my problem with many Liberals, the hypocrisy on this subject. You can’t scream about racist red hat Trump supporters, and in the same breath scream about affordable housing destroying your town.
Quite frankly, no idea what racism has to do with being against affordable housing on market based principles?
If I willingly had to pay up to improve my quality of life to escape the negative aspects of living amongst the poor, how the hell can you just come in and decide to put low income individuals in a high cost location? Why did you pay up? What was the point? Mine as well go get cheap housing in Paterson and go on vacation from the money saved from not buying in Wayne.
“This is what towns get for ignoring their affordable housing obligation under the law.”
Correction: This is what citizens get for allowing implementation of a non-outcomes based, politically driven bad law.
“Never forget. NJ is for three classes of people. The public sector worker, those with money to burn (rich enough to claim your residence to be a farm) and the poor. The rest of us exist to pay for those three.”
Monday morning, and already a likely contender for post of the week.
“12 days Pumpkin-free”
“Is onsite drainage and retention basins required for these developments? What are the requirements for runoff mitigation?…Absolutely, and it’s generally the first line defense strategy used by townships against development.”
Development generally. COAH is outside the Master Plan and zoning. Been a while since I left our Board of Adjustment but IIRC these things don’t even come in front of zoning despite otherwise needing multiple variances…
Latest one I saw blew through that most sacred of NJ codes, steep slopes. Clear cut the hillside, ‘disturbed’ (defined term in the code) the entire area. Hardscaped major portions of it.
And the sweetener, the owner of the property could have subdivided it from one SFH lot into, maybe, three. After at least a year of hearings and multiple tens of thousands of engineering studies if not more. Public record what the COAH builder trading price was to the seller?…wait for the punchline…through eight figures. For undeveloped land otherwise essentially unusable for building anything that would house more than three families….
Meanwhile, you Joe Citizen have a slightly sloping yard (10-15%) and want to drop a gazebo, patio, or other structure on it? Good fucking luck. Basically zero chance of getting a variance for that.
But, hey, it’s “the right thing to do”. Social justice and all that bullshit. Whhhaaaa…who said anything about ‘equal protections’, what’s that?
The easiest way to hide something is right in public view…..
Also, parking is often the most effective impediment to development.
Water runoff, yes, but it can be mitigated. Even if extremely expensive.
Parking…have yet to find a way to create more land or put two cars in one space….Space size has already come in substantially to increase nominal count…
It’s the parking zoning constraint that leads to the backward-ass parking lot flow issues you all note. You need to shoehorn in enough cars to support a development size.
Money and political influence has leverage over any laws or environmental concerns.
Grim,
Yes, I’ve driven over curbs to get out of that Clifton mini-mall parking lot by the Costco. The TJ’s in Clifton is a mess too.
Left: I would say post of the month.
12 days pumps free.
The law was written in 1985 the Fair Housing Act, towns must consider “prospective need.” Future demand for affordable housing so what does that mean, does your town need to become a city with tens of thousands of new apartments etc? The Fair Share people who sue everyone wanted our town to build another thousand units, we sued and got out of it because we met the obligation already.
Also how do these affordable units work when it comes to taxes?
We have a new “sold out” townhouse development on Rt 35 across from Target. Units are assessed at $410,000 on the tax rolls. These units are now selling for quite a bit more.
$168,948 is the MAX set price for a low income 3 br condo max and $233,998 for medium income in that development as part of their housing obligation. Not allot of until but they will be sold to someone.
How does the tax assessment work here? These new units were selling anywhere from $530,000 all the way to $570,000 now. People are paying allot to live on right the highway down here. We reassess every year so these people who bought in the last year are assessed at $410,000. They are going to get wacked in taxes. Those affordable 3Brs townhouses? Are those not assessed the same? They are in the same development etc.
This one a 4B says under contract at $713….Crazy overpaying going on.
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1401-Arose-Ln-Middletown-NJ-07748/2067757076_zpid/
LOL, right there with 3b!
In Montclair,
They always make huge parking variances. Meanwhile, we no longer frequent anything near Bloomfield Avenue. It’s just not worth the parking cost and hassle. The funny thing too. When they build these monstrosities. They say the average family will have one car. This is rarely the case. Both parents work, and noone who can afford 4K a month rent or a cool 1,000K for a two bedroom apartment, is taking a NJ Transit bus with the ghetto crowd. All of these monstrosities have been built at least 2 miles from any train station.
The last building that went up was going to have a shared parking garage with the public. In order to meet the variance, the builder promised to improve the capacity of the garage by like 30% by having an automated (robotic) valet system. After three tries, they have given up. They do not even have enough money to replace the façade on the garage that looks like a junkyard from all of the failed automation attempts.
This is what it looks like today.
https://montclairlocal.news/without-stacking-system-developer-looks-to-valets-to-increase-parking-capacity/
“In Montclair, They always make huge parking variances.”
Only because they want to…can’t imagine a C2 variance for a commercial development and for a C1 a hardship is not defined as “I want a bigger building for more lease income”.
In investing world. I only own to individual stocks currently. WRK and Apple (which I’ve owned forever). I am up 10% on my WRK.
I also sold my Amazon the day after earnings (the only other stock I suggested at 2900). I didn’t like a couple of things I saw in the earnings report. 02/04/2022 10:20:42 Sold ? AMZN @ 3,128.875
WRK was 45 on 1/31 when I first mentioned it. It’s over 50 now. For the same time period, the Nasdaq dropped from 14,240 to 13,292.
I am now up on every stock purchase I’ve made for the year (a total of 3). Not an easy task when the market is heading down. Keep reading those forums.
Again. Use individual stocks to juice your returns since they are risky. Use sector or index based ETFs to do the rest. Never have more than 20% of your equities portfolio in stocks. 15% is even better.
“libturd says:
January 31, 2022 at 4:01 pm
Lefty, you are not going to be happy, but I have to stick by my discipline.
I am 50/50 across the board. Added to my WRK position and Amazon too. Though in my IRAs mostly VUG. All tax protected. 401Ks are back to a mix of 50% stable and a three way between small cap, large cap and international.
Now I wait and see which way the winds blow. No harm, no foul. The return on my 401K is down under 5% this year before today. Not complaining.
I expect horizontal trading until April. Then it’s Fed/Inflation versus pent up travel demand. Nearly everything in Costa Rica is fully booked up for April. Crazy.”
Followed you on the WRK. TY.
I have a MS piece I pulled up this morning, intend to send you, will get out today.
Still have my FB, PYPL, JBLU, etc through various structures locked in c. 10% or better nominal returns over 3-6 months at up to 20% down…still in CARR, was hoping for better from that, need to make a decision there soon…did a quick hit and run on BBY when she broke 90 a couple weeks ago but that was intentionally a trade (vs investment) on ST oversold conditions, also exited the last quarter of my DNA a week or two ago….good amount of dry powder still, my biggest issue is patience.
Macro although earnings will dictate the next week or two I do think we will see some bad headlines out of Ukraine that may affect market…also, dependent on conditions at the time, I’m looking at a big short if oil takes a rip…thesis there is that everyone expects sanctions to continue until ‘Putin is out of power’….never going to happen and days after the shooting stops and civilian casualties cease Russian oil will start flowing again…I like that trade the best because right now at least everyone is on the other side of that boat….Otherwise, just in the coal mines working my earnings trade….
In the 90’s, malls were a thing. These days, the only time you’ll find me near a mall is if has an EV charger and I need to top up to finish the journey. These days it seems that the only people who shop retail are those too stupid to check out online, or those who need to pay cash.
https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/paramus/news/video-nj-mall-brawl-erupts-when-male-motorist-knocks-female-driver-out-cold/830245/
Here’s the YT link to the garden state incident: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d25sEXLDRb8
I watch those videos and think back to last week in CR where this sh1t never happens and everyone has an appreciation for each other. I swear, I can’t tell you how many people bend over backwards to help each other. Complete strangers too.
lol, I just looked at the map, nice touch on the Ping Pong facility grim
1:16 my friends who travels down to CR once told me that it’s all about making due with less.
What’s worse about COAH is that it’s not even a legislature-created law. It is a straight-up magical fabrication of law by the Supreme Court of New Jersey. These unelected kings decided to interpret the NJ Constitution to require this nonsense. Then, not a single one of the other 49 states followed their lead.
Then, the NJ elected officials understandably slow-walked any implementation of this hocus-pocus. So, in the last few years (I believe, not long before covid started), the Supreme Court of NJ ruled that since the elected officials are going too slowly, they would transfer direct oversight over COAH deals to a special trial judge in each county. The Fair Share Housing Alliance (legal advoacy non-profit) has standing to participate in any builder’s remedy lawsuit. Then, they get some unelected trial judge to rule “800 units” or “900 units” based on his judgment.
This recent NJ Supreme Court decision should have created a real huge jump in affordable housing/COAH creation. I suppose the Wayne projects reflect that new reality.
Hey, if the legislature in Trenton wanted to enact this policy, then fine. Not the governor. Not the courts. This is lawmaking. Lawmaking is supposed to be done by the legislature.
Water retention . . .
At a minimum, any project on 1 acre+ in NJ should (purusant to a law that the legilsature should pass) require an underground water storage tank to catch rainwater and then slowly release it over time underground.
These tanks are included on larger commercial projects, but in NJ we have such terrible flooding problems, that all new projects should be contributing to helping manage the rainwater flow.
9:18 on “I thought no one wants to live in NJ . . . .[and everyone was moving to texas or florida]”
NJ has about 3M housing units. NJ permits about 30-40K new housing units per year. So, we build new housing units equal to 1% of our housing stock per year.
NYC similarly has about 3.3M housing units. Similarly, NYC permits about 30K new housing units per year.
CT, LI, and Westchester aggressively resist new housing units. If we round up a bit, we might say that 75K total new housing units per year get built in the NYC metro. I’ve seen numbers that around 120K newly-arrived immigrants from overseas arrive in the NYC metro each year.
So, there are plenty of people that want to move here – from Cameroon, Colombia and Cambodia. And, they do, along with the internal movement of college students that arrive at NYU and the 20-somethings arriving for their first post-college job each year from Charleston, Chicagoland, and Charlotte. The new housing absorbs some of this influx, but still there are longtime residents of this metro or NJ state that move out.
NJ new housing units permitted, 2021 . . .
Total: 31,117
Hudson County: 5,236 (16.8% of total)
Essex: 3,319 (10.6% of total)
No other county over 3K.
Haughty towns pay other towns to meet their obligation. Look it up.
Big rainstorm coming tonight. Another 1-2 inches. If she overperforms, some more basements are going to flood. Be warned. This one is looking nasty on radar.
https://weather.cod.edu/satrad/?parms=regional-eastcoast-comp_radar-24-1-100-1&checked=map&colorbar=undefined
“Haughty towns pay other towns to meet their obligation. Look it up.”
I don’t think they can anymore.
Not any longer. Paying your way out existed, it’s gone now.
Forgot that history of COAH, coming from the bench and NJ being alone in doing so…ahhhh, more uniqueness from the Garden State….
Lib: You are right, they can no longer pay other towns, to take their share. My town did that years ago, sent some some of money to Jersey City at the time. State came back again years later, and assessed the town for more units in the event property becomes available and a developer wants to build.
MONTCLAIR, NJ — There may be a tuition hike on the horizon for students at Montclair State University, a report says.
University President Jonathan Koppell announced last week that tuition and fees for students will increase anywhere from 3 to 5 percent for the 2022-2023 academic year. The tuition increase will fund a pay raise for faculty and staff, partly to keep in line with inflation, The Montclarion reported.
Why doesn’t the supreme court now realize their mistake with this affordable housing law that is being used by developers to create more expensive housing? Like wtf? They only give a small percentage to affordable housing, and instead create a ton of new expensive housing under this law. Make no sense.
I don’t understand why they eliminated that rule. If your goal is to get more affordable housing, why can’t towns buy out their obligation to be built in places that are more user friendly for low income workers?
Why would you want affordable housing in a place like Saddle River.. it makes no sense. They have no sidewalks. They have limited public transportation. School programs are almost all pay as you go. And the worst part of all, why would you (low income individual) want to live next to these wealthy individuals? Why? I don’t even want to live in a place like saddle river because I would feel uncomfortable raising my daughter next to some of the richest people in our state.
Libturd says:
April 18, 2022 at 2:27 pm
“Haughty towns pay other towns to meet their obligation. Look it up.”
I don’t think they can anymore.
Man, being bearish on housing long-term is a waste of time. There is a reason housing is the best wealth producer for most people. It’s almost impossible to lose long-term.
For the Irish in this blog.
https://www.nathantrust.com/insights/ireland-is-the-number-1-destination-for-us-tech-firms