Expensive everywhere you’d want to live

From Yahoo Finance:

Homebuyers just got another grim new statistic: Average home prices in 11 housing markets now exceed $500,000

The U.S. housing market’s half-million dollar club is growing, with more cities than ever posting average home prices above $500,000.

Across the nation, home prices have soared during the pandemic, as low home inventory ran into surging demand. Fervent competition ensued, and home prices have since gained 19.2% over the past 12 months, locking many would-be homebuyers out of the market.

But while prices have been rising most everywhere, some housing markets have become prohibitively expensive to some prospective buyers. A recent analysis by online real estateand financial planning site OJO Labs found that a housing price benchmark that was once considered rare is now becoming increasingly common, as average home prices are now topping $500,000 in more and more cities.

Austin, is the newest arrival in the exclusive club, according to OJO Labs’ survey, which crunched the numbers of March final home sale prices in America’s largest cities.

The list now includes 11 metro areas. Prices in some of these cities were already well above $500,000 even before 2020, while in others they have soared spectacularly since the pandemic started.

Here is the full list:

  1. San Francisco (median home price: $1.3 million)
  2. San Diego ($825k)
  3. Los Angeles. ($720k)
  4. Seattle ($626k)
  5. Denver ($565k)
  6. Boston ($560k)
  7. Sacramento ($550k)
  8. New York ($520k)
  9. Portland, Ore. ($505k)
  10. Salt Lake City ($503k)
  11. Austin ($500k)

Some of these cities, including Austin, San Diego, and Denver, have seen home prices rise more than 20% over the past 12 months. In Salt Lake City—which has enjoyed a population and job market boom during the pandemic—prices are up over 30%.

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84 Responses to Expensive everywhere you’d want to live

  1. Hold my beer says:


  2. Phoenix says:

    Why am I up this early? Entire crew slammed hard all day yesterday, fed coagulated pizza and back to the coal mines. Got home @2, up at 7.

    Today is scheduled to be even worse. Must close eyes.

  3. Ex says:

    LA…..or thereabouts …paid $750k 5 years ago, now valued at $1m.
    Both good and bad. Already “priced out” of our own home. So to speak.
    Great weather though! Happy 420 !

  4. Ex says:

    Now this…. Rapper Danielle Bregoli — aka Bhad Bhabie — just bought a $6.1 million Boca Raton mansion.
    Bregoli rose to fame after appearing on “Dr. Phil” and uttering the viral catchphrase “cash me outside, how bout dah.”
    She purchased the seven-bedroom home from a former Tampa Bay Buccaneers player.

  5. Fast Eddie says:

    You guys want a complicated “home ownership” job to tackle? How about having to re-epoxy an inground pool. You have a diver, pool guy and painter to coordinate. I can’t even begin to tell you the time and details involved.

  6. 3b says:

    Fast: Sounds like you will be laying some cash out there.

  7. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Life is not fair, so don’t ever think it will be. Unreal. Total trash, yet a 1%er.

    Ex says:
    April 20, 2022 at 7:17 am
    Now this…. Rapper Danielle Bregoli — aka Bhad Bhabie — just bought a $6.1 million Boca Raton mansion.
    Bregoli rose to fame after appearing on “Dr. Phil” and uttering the viral catchphrase “cash me outside, how bout dah.”
    She purchased the seven-bedroom home from a former Tampa Bay Buccaneers player.

  8. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Any questions? Been saying this for the past 10 years. NYC metro is a complete value. These other places are out of control.

    Here is the full list:

    San Francisco (median home price: $1.3 million)
    San Diego ($825k)
    Los Angeles. ($720k)
    Seattle ($626k)
    Denver ($565k)
    Boston ($560k)
    Sacramento ($550k)
    New York ($520k)
    Portland, Ore. ($505k)
    Salt Lake City ($503k)
    Austin ($500k)

  9. leftwing says:

    “Today is scheduled to be even worse. Must close eyes.”

    Hopefully not while handling sharp implements…

    Boomer, serious question…why any box, cube, or hardware at all? Doesn’t it just bind you to that location? Are there any benefits? Tried finding out if Cube came with subscriptions that would give it a cost advantage, couldn’t tell quickly from it’s listing.

    Otherwise, my TVs (not new, five years old) came pre-loaded with most apps. I don’t even use that. Everything is on my phone and I just cast whenever, where ever I want…my house, parents, holiday rental, hotel room, etc.

    Why does any hardware outside of your TV and phone exist, and for that hardware are the ‘settings’ and viewing portable?

    “14 days Pumpkin-free”

  10. Fast Eddie says:


    We opened the plug at the bottom of the pool but with all the rain, the groundwater is bubbling up. I have two small pumps keeping it honest but there’s still a foot and a half of water laying there. It looks like it’s slowly easing, another day will tell. But how to sand and paint while keeping the water from flowing in? The other thing is, you can’t plug it or the pool will pop out of the ground.

  11. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Like Sacramento is more than NYC market…lmfao.

  12. 3b says:

    Fast: Pools are a lot of work ( and hassle) but if you and your family enjoy it, then it’s worth it.

  13. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Apple tv app/box does a beautiful job of organizing all your streaming services under one roof. So it’s organized and easy to find what you recently watched…or if a new episode comes out, it goes straight to your list. Priceless. 4k video is also beautiful.

    “Why does any hardware outside of your TV and phone exist, and for that hardware are the ‘settings’ and viewing portable?”

  14. 3b says:

    Interesting article in the WSJ this morning, apparently the corporate tax cuts enacted in 2017, are in fact working as envisioned and more so, according to the CBO. I have not verified anything states in the article, but the numbers do look good.

  15. The Great Pumpkin says:


    From the article you reference.

    “Fiscal 2022 is turning out to be even better for the Treasury. Corporate tax revenue for the first six months was up 22% from a year earlier to $127 billion. William McBride of the Tax Foundation estimates that if the pace of the first half continues, corporate tax revenue will hit a new record of $454 billion in fiscal 2022. (Corporate tax revenue increases in the back half of the year.)”

    The part the article misses…inflation. That tax def played a part in creating inflation. It was throwing jet fuel on an already hot economy. Look what happened. And of course revenue is up with historic revenue. Can’t tell me this tax law didn’t lead to asset prices going up…esp real estate and stocks.

    I’m not saying to raise taxes, think the law did some good, but I am just pointing out that it wasn’t all peaches and cream.

  16. The Great Pumpkin says:

    *and of course revenue is up with historic inflation.

  17. Phoenix says:

    It’s always sharp instruments. But I fell back asleep. And I am off today.

    But the others where I work that are doing 16 hr days…..

  18. Boomer Remover says:

    That’s a good question, and my previous recommendation should have come with caveats. We’re a big Amazon Prime household and use Prime Video quite a bit, so a Fire product was a natural choice. The hot take is that if one is thinking of a Stick..then the Cube is absolutely worth the upgrade.

    Why a stand alone box? Because TV manufacturers are great at making TV’s but are not the best user interface and software designers. A stand alone box replaces whatever hardware and software UI came with your TV, essentially turning your TV into a display monitor only.

    A lot of folks don’t think too much about their TV purchases, and have sets with either limited UI’s or hardware which gets the job done, but does not wow. make for a stellar UX. A split second lag is as noticeable when interacting with TV UI as it is when interacting with a vehicle’s UI.

    In my use case, I have an aging OLED in the living room which natively is a big laggy. Plugging in a Fire Cube took advantage of the OLED panel but routed all other functions through the better spec’d and well supported Fire UI.

  19. Phoenix says:

    Pool. Boat.

    Great in the south where you use them most of the year.

    NJ- Great, but more expensive and less overall use.

    You want it, you pay. It’s all good.

  20. Phoenix says:

    Drill a hole in the ground next to the pool. Instant artesian well. Sell your property to Nestle and profit.

  21. Chicago says:

    Bought Mets tix off StubHub for Monday night rainout. Reward for my son rocking his 3rd marking period report card. We got Delta Silver tix behind the plate for $95. Tix canceled and they gave use vouchers. So you go onto box office website and go through the qualified inventory available for your voucher. We got these $250 face tix first row behind SF dugout for tonight. We are going to tell Wilmer how much we miss him. LFGM

  22. 3b says:

    Existing home sales fall, buyers scared off by rising rates as per article.

  23. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Water is expensive in the south and west. Costs a lot of money to keep that water in the pool.

    Phoenix says:
    April 20, 2022 at 10:04 am
    Pool. Boat.

    Great in the south where you use them most of the year.

    NJ- Great, but more expensive and less overall use.

    You want it, you pay. It’s all good.

  24. The Great Pumpkin says:

    What’s going to happen with rates going up is the same thing that happened in 2008. People thinking they are going to get deals on real estate are in for a rude awakening. The only thing that will happen is the volume of sales will drop significantly. The only houses that will sell for cheap are pos….homes that a pro flipper needs to take on. You will have absolutely no desirable inventory on the market, and if it does come on the market, it will still demand a huge premium. Most desirable homes sold at a discount will go to friends and family first. Then the realtor will grab it or give it to their best clients. Avg joe will not be able to buy a desirable home at a discount.

    This is exactly what happened to me after 2008. Searched for years. After 3 years, finally found a desirable home from a friend of my wife’s family. Still had to pay a premium and willingly did. Was sick of looking at pos after pos. Got a move in home that was practically brand new. Only thing I had to do was add stone around the foundation and paint (7 years later).

  25. leftwing says:

    Boomer thanks.

    Older TVs, for sure, I have one in the basement I didn’t even count because it was mostly kids and gaming back in the old days and today I have Pi hooked up to it to play recorded live music videos while I work out…to turn that into a ‘traditional’ viewing or streaming platform a stick/cube would make sense…

    Your view that boxes turn TVs into monitors I would reverse…TVs begin life as just monitors, it’s the cable company/streaming/box that turns them into more. Would agree most TV hardware manufacturers haven’t gotten embedded apps right as they try to step into that role…not sure if that’s on the hardware manufacturers or software guys at the app, or that the reason why even matters.

    Appreciate the perspectives offered, plumbing them more for investment than for practical matters…as I’ve mentioned here I’m short ROKU on the thesis of “I don’t even know why this company exists”. When re-entered this short about, I don’t know, 60 or so points ago I did a deep dive into the financials again…not going to go back and confirm exact data but IIRC their revenue line item for hardware sales fell off a cliff…

    As for the ‘soft’ benefits of a box for organizing, bookmarking, favorite lists, etc those features seem to exist in every native app, without an overlay…I created a separate folder on my Android of “Media” and dropped each native app in there I use…two taps and I’m into my streaming, control push notifications, favorites, etc from each app…

    Funny, I’ll throttle some back if they become too bothersome…NFLX was one which became unbearable with notifications and cross-sells a month or so ago….should have been a tip-off to me of their impending poor results. Seriously, not kidding on that one…missed it.

  26. Chicago says:

    NFLX touched $700 just 5 months ago.

    Holy fuck. Touched 212 today.

  27. The Great Pumpkin says:

    One thing I will say about Netflix…they are like a roach. Been left for dead many times in the past 20 years.

    Prob oversold. Too many people writing them off for good. I just don’t see Netflix ceasing to exist. Not yet…

  28. leftwing says:

    chi, doesn’t ackman own 3 million shares? doesn’t matter how much in AUM one has, that’s going to leave a mark…

    nice pull on those tix, enjoy!

  29. No One says:

    I’ve got about 7 fire sticks spread across two homes. Of course have Amazon video but also using Youtube TV on the sticks as my virtual cable provider, and now that provided continuity across both homes. I love the unlimited recording and re-streaming feature (recordings disappear after about 9 months). Big benefit of this setup is having a consistent interface and access in both FL and NJ. Biggest annoyance is that Bloomberg pulled out of Youtube TV so have to use the Bloomberg app on the Fire sticks.

  30. JCer says:

    left, I agree with your sentiment on tv boxes/dongles. Yes before smart tv’s sure but realistically I have a sharp with android tv which is fine and otherwise LG with webOS. The apps they have work ok so prime video, netflix, all the channels, Plex, etc. My kids will use he built in apps but really the ability to cast with the phone is the best experience. It is so much faster and easier to get to what you want on the phone and airplay then it is to use any navigation on a tv or dongle including voice remotes and Alexa. Smart TV’s are really a scam, they are using the hardware to collect data about your viewing habits and to sell you content.

    Not only are the TV’s a subpar experience so are the streaming devices, apple seems to have the best user experience, then Roku but I still am underwhelmed every time I use it, all of my old TV’s have firesticks just because they were very cheap and have good app coverage. I find LG’s user experience I find to be pretty decent as it is unobtrusive, fewer clicks(better remote) to get to the content I want to get and it’s fast much better than Sharp’s Android TV implementation and fireOS plus the airplay works flawlessly, app availability sucks though.

    Most non-technical users could care less about the interface as long as the apps are available, there is a button on the remote, it’s not slow as molasses in the winter, and there is voice functionality no one cares about the platform. I’m serious most avg users just use what samsung or lg included with the TV and don’t care, this is why being short Roku probably makes sense as tv manufacturers include “good enough” who is buying Roku? TV manufacturers, even if Roku is giving their software away for free are still better off taking android tv which is “free” and modding it to collect data/sell content so as to create that continuing revenue stream they all want.

  31. Trick says:

    Whenever we travel we bring the firesticks with us. No need to figure out the vrbo or hotel boxes.

  32. leftwing says:

    “…the ability to cast with the phone is the best experience. It is so much faster and easier to get to what you want on the phone and airplay then it is to use any navigation on a tv or dongle…”

    About a year ago or so when I asked for guidance here to actually cut the cord people were very responsive. I appreciate that. After doing all the diligence the phone cast won hands down for cost, quality, ease of use, portability…

    I pull up whatever program I want from a ‘TV station’ or streaming service with two taps on my Android and then literally touch the rectangle button in the corner and it appears on my TV. Or any other monitor in my home. Or anywhere else.

    Best thing also is others can cast their programs easily…my kids come in, they are bigger F1 fans than I, they subscribe to the F1 channel…they show up at my place, do the same two taps on their own phone on the F1 app, and they pick up watching whatever show they had on before they flew across the country exactly where they left off on whatever monitor they want in my house….Not sure how cubes/dongles work with portability?

  33. JCer says:

    youtube tv seems expensive for what you get, I think it’s like $70 per month. I pay $165 to verizon to get phone, internet, and all the premium channels including HBO/HBO Max. This also gives me the ability to stream this content, I can watch most of these channels on my phone too. I have 6 tuners in my Tivo and have 3 mini’s so I can watch on 3 tv’s in my house and have 3 people streaming live on phones/ipads outside of the house.

    So here’s the thing if I cut the cord and pay for youtube(65 per month plus premium channels) TV I actually get less and have to pay more in total. Plus it’s a nonstarter because they don’t have MSG. I don’t understand cord cutting because most people I know who did it are ultimately paying more once you add up all the streaming services. With Fios I get the regular service in my house plus I can stream most if not all the content on my phone or tablet. Internet service would cost at least $50-60 and that is probably not bandwidth enough to support everyone streaming so I’d likely need to get a faster plan if I cut the cord.

  34. Boomer Remover says:

    You are pricing these out in a vacuum, when in reality you exchange user slots with family to broaden the offering. Here’s how it looks

    YouTube Premium $18
    Netflix $0 (other BIL)
    HBO Max $0 (BIL)
    Disney+ $3 ($70/2/12 split with SIL, share with two BILs in exchange for Netflix and HBO)
    PrimeVideo $0 part of Amazon Prime which we get for free through CC, albeit w/fee
    Paramount+ $10
    FIOS $39
    $70 per month including FIOS

    Casting is fine but more or less relinquishes control to person whose device is casting. I don’t want to be swiping on your greasy phone screen.

    Also with casting, I understand by may be wrong, one cannot pass through lossless or high quality audio feeds such as Dolby Atmos (for my Sonos HT) or 4K video.

  35. Chicago says:

    I always assumed this, but not you admitted it out in the open.

    leftwing says:
    April 20, 2022 at 12:06 pm
    Not sure how dongles work

  36. Chicago says:

    But now

  37. 3b says:

    Be careful with irrevocable trusts and real estate. They are a pain.

  38. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Exact advice I gave to 3b yesterday. On point.

    “So here’s the thing if I cut the cord and pay for youtube(65 per month plus premium channels) TV I actually get less and have to pay more in total. Plus it’s a nonstarter because they don’t have MSG. I don’t understand cord cutting because most people I know who did it are ultimately paying more once you add up all the streaming services. With Fios I get the regular service in my house plus I can stream most if not all the content on my phone or tablet. Internet service would cost at least $50-60 and that is probably not bandwidth enough to support everyone streaming so I’d likely need to get a faster plan if I cut the cord.”

  39. The Great Pumpkin says:

    The days to take advantage of cord cutting for savings are gone. It was a small window and it didn’t last very long.

    Sort of like Ubur. Used to be so much cheaper than the taxi, but not that they established their name and footprint, they are more expensive than taxis now at times.

  40. Fast Eddie says:

    Pools – For those of us who owned both above ground and inground pools, you know the pitfalls, cost and maintenance involved. Boats are just as bad. Anyway, the pool is empty as of this moment but groundwater is pretty steady. No way I can plug it and try to have the painter sand and apply the epoxy without epic and disastrous pool pop.

    So, we glued a threaded PVC nipple to a two foot piece of a 1 and 1/4 inch PVC pipe screwed into the bottom pool plug, glued a 90 degree elbow on top, directed it into a bucket with a pump in the bucket and hose out to the lawn. Waa Laa! Pool is bone dry, pump is extracting steady flow of groundwater and hydrostatic pressure is not an issue.

    For those of you familiar with epoxy, specifically pool epoxy, you know all too well the mixing process and cure time after application. It’s always something, kids.

  41. No One says:

    I did it mostly for convenience, and the fact that in my town in FL, the cable company basically gave up installing new cable service. I’ll have two houses I live in for the foreseeable future, so from a convenience sense and economic sense it’s more effective to build a virtual premium cable subscription that doesn’t care which house I’m in. Otherwise I’d be paying for two different cable company subscriptions for two homes.
    And I can bring a fire tv stick with me when travelling, though an HDMI port isn’t always accessible in hotel tvs, I’ve noticed. And I can download shows to my phone for when I’m flying without a connection.
    I haven’t paid up for the Youtube tv 4k upgrade because I haven’t seen a lot of 4k content beyond some Olympics and some football, and other stuff I don’t care about.

  42. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Life is for living, and living costs money. It’s all good if it adds happiness to your life.

    “Pools – For those of us who owned both above ground and inground pools, you know the pitfalls, cost and maintenance involved. Boats are just as bad.”

  43. Fast Eddie says:


    No argument there really. It’s a positive attitude. No one said it would be easy.

  44. leftwing says:

    Haha, yeah chi, my experience with dongles is a universe of one, my own lol.

    Jcer, agree generally and even more so that very quickly beyond broad generalizations the best service becomes for anyone is highly user specific based on their own habits, needs, etc.

    What I have found was no merit to cord cutting and replacing cable with a ‘streaming’ TV service at prices in the $50s, $60s or even higher…back of the envelope math for that pretty easily indicates the starting point of savings between full cable with embedded internet vs. internet + expensive streaming service is likely too small to present any meaningful savings, even before factoring in fewer offerings in the bundle….to me, the inability of high priced streaming bundles to be competitive just eliminates me from looking at any of them as alternatives…

    One key difference from, say, 12 months ago is that the bundlers and streamers would just re-package live TV for the most part, ie. I could get my NBC live by cable or by streaming, there was very little other real difference between the two platforms as it related to these ‘broadcasters’ product.

    Now that the broadcasters – CBS, Comcast, etc – have realized their highest and best business is the ownership of deep content libraries they have gone to full on-demand models….I open my Peacock app ($5 monthly) and I have every episode of every series they have run (30Rock, Law and Order, Office, P&R, etc) and playback of their current series on demand plus their movie library. Plus the same from each of their ancillary stations (which they now call brands) like Bravo, MSNBC…

    I open my Fios cable app and I get those Peacock (NBC) stations above – NBC, Bravo, MSNBC – playing the show they are airing at the time they are airing it with no other real benefits.

    So, yeah, 18 months ago the high priced streaming services were just a different bundler sending the same stuff into your house as cable at maybe a slight discount with likely slightly worse operability….now, the difference between Peacock/Paramount native apps and their NBC/CBS offering on cable is huge. For me, throw in Fox ($6/month) and some specialty stations/brands like NatGeo, History, and Sports and I will be well below any comparable cable offering with premier internet and measurably more and better ancillary services (content libraries).

    Re: MSG, agree but again I approach it differently…I believe there are three points on my cable bill where I ‘pay’ for them and they ring-fence their service so tightly it is literally part of the reason I’ve said ‘fuck the Devils/Rags and Yankees’ and their approach will be one of the primary reasons I exit cable…ditto for the entire sports complex to a lesser degree….

  45. Juice Box says:

    Many homes around here have an in ground pool, and the ones that don”t might join one of the beach clubs in Sea Bright. I am not one for the beach more than a couple times a year so pool is just fine with a nice evening drink and swim after dinner with some tunes. By September even the kids don’t want to swim anymore so I am glad to close it for 7 months. Who swims in January anyway maybe south Florida the rest if the country is not that warm.

  46. Hold my beer says:

    Cutting the cord isn’t just about saving money. It can also be how you want your money allocated. When we cut the cord I did so to be able to control what I watched whenever I wanted and I didn’t want my $ to go to channels I will never watch, news networks which had morphed into talking heads ignoring or twisting stories to fit their own agenda, and the woke bro culture of espn.

    Now we have Netflix, rakuten Viki, Hulu and peacock. It’s still cheaper than cable.

  47. Yo! says:


    Homeowners make up 65% of US households, roughly 100 million people. They stacked another $6 trillion in wealth through home price appreciation alone last year, and those trillions will be realized mostly tax free.

  48. crushednjmillenial says:

    Masks on airplanes. DOJ says that they may appeal the Florida federal judge ruling on this. Left-minded Board members . . . the Dems should drop this issue, right? Seems like pushing for masking is bad for the upcoming 2022 elections.

  49. leftwing says:

    She may be crazy, cold, and a bitch but, wow….smokin’

    Would definitely get tied up with that if I could, even knowing it would be to my detriment lol.

  50. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “Bulls, it’s 420.

    That means it’s your day to get stoned and watch Netflix.


    What happens to every low margin company that stops growing.”

  51. joyce says:


    Homeowners make up 65% of US households, roughly 100 million people.

    Aren’t these figures contradictory?

  52. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Just wanted to add this to the earlier discussion.

    If you value picture quality(high end tv)…get yourself the apple tv 4k. You software nerds know it’s packed with a powerful processor.

  53. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And that’s why in reality, it really is a casino. Long-term is the only way it’s not.

    “If Netflix dropping 40% in ONE DAY after already being down 50% doesn’t convince you that stocks are like paintings, without a willing buyer they’re nothing more than worthless pieces of paper…. then I don’t know what will. And we are not talking about some penny stock here!”

  54. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Perfectly said.

    “This drop points to the illusory nature of portfolio vales and floating gains. Only a portion of holders actually realize big gains.

    When a mass of shares attempt to realize a gain, the Market immediately decends: first into intermediate weak hands, then to wholesale pricing.”

  55. The Great Pumpkin says:

    In reference to my earlier post at 8:06.

    You can have something so valuable in your hands, but if no one else realizes it, it’s worthless. That’s the stock market. Can you buy what is worthless and sell what is valuable?

  56. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Thesis on why it’s probably a good time to buy real estate to flip 3-4 years from now.

    1. The supply is still screwed.

    2. When the market bottoms and rates drop, houses aren’t going to be cheaper than they are now: you have limited competition right now…aka best time to buy.

  57. The Great Pumpkin says:

    If by all means you think rates will stay high long-term, don’t listen to a word I said in the previous post. But if you think you can refinance at a lower price at some pt, take advantage of the inflationary environment and buy a house if you are looking.

  58. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Supply and demand > over everything else

    “9 out of 10 US homeowners have mortgage rates less than 5%

    an interesting thing to consider as rates rise/settle around 5-6%, people will just stay in their homes longer further adding to our massive housing inventory issues in America”

  59. leftwing says:

    94 minutes and….

    “15 days Pumpkin-free”

  60. leftwing says:

    And after watching the news, Heard is definitely still a sweet package.

    8 by 8….


  61. Fabius Maximus says:


    The Judge that ruled was nominated by Trump and the ABA ruled her unqualified. Looks like they were right. Lets see if the rest of the 11th circuit back her up.


  62. Fabius Maximus says:

    As I pointed out to Eddie Ray on a regular basis, the Tax Foundation is bought and paid for by Koch and should be viewed in that light. This puff piece is the start of a campaign to keep Donnie’s cuts in place. We got the same BS with GWBs cuts expiring.

  63. Phoenix says:

    It’s all good till she calls the po po on you.

    They will think she is a sweet package as well.

    You will be in the klink, she will be their date that night.

    8 by 9+

  64. Old realtor says:

    Have you considered that you are not Pumpkin free. Every time you acknowledge his existence you prove this. Stop writing his name and giving him attention!

  65. Phoenix says:

    For you LW

    Feel free to live chat, its open.


  66. leftwing says:

    “8 by 9+”

    Hahaha, I’ll agree. Depp testifies that when she departed their shared residence she left a steaming dump on his side of the bed. That garners a 9+ for me.

    Still would hit it….but follow that bright boundary on the hot/crazy matrix rules…when you’re above the crazy line it’s the danger zone….definitely no relationship and you go in knowing “this is where your car gets keyed, you get a bunny in the pot, your tires get slashed, and you wind up in jail…”

    “15 days Pumpkin-free”

  67. leftwing says:

    30/40/Old….ehhh, not really….I analogize interacting with him to alcoholism….a scourge in general, personally incredibly unhealthy, and one of the least beneficial things to do for yourself.

    Abstaining from interactions is equivalent to AA….where acknowledging the problem, owning it, and then proudly tracking the time is a major component of affirmation…’one day at a time’….Hell, I’m going to send 3b a one-month medallion when he gets there!

    He can do it…he popped into the local joint a few nights back and though belly up at the bar he only had a cranberry and club and left.

    “15 days Pumpkin-free”

  68. BRT says:

    reminds me of that Bill Burr skit.

    “Believe all women? What about the psychos? What about the girl who keys your car because you didn’t pick up the phone?”

  69. Phoenix says:


    Once you hit it, you have a relationship in her head.

    Enjoy your bunny.

  70. 3b says:

    Left: It was a waste of a trip to the bar!! I will leave it there, so I don’t screw up.

  71. leftwing says:

    Pappardelle with rabbit ragu and mushrooms…nearby restaurant makes it all in-house, throw in a dry vodka martini and I’m set. One of my favorite dining local dining experiences.

    I don’t do take-out and I don’t bring doggy bags home though….and certainly wouldn’t ‘doggy bag’ it with someone not house broken, lol….

  72. BRT says:

    Left, we do rabbit ragu maybe once every 2 weeks in the winter. I have to buy it at the asian grocery stores as Wegmans carries it and marks it up 3x. Wife makes the Parppadelle from scratch. Wild rabbit’s meat is much darker and has a more meaty flavor but I’ll do either.

    My grandfather raised rabbits in the depression for food. Starting with 2 rabbits, you can produce almost 200 lbs of meat in one year.

    I rescued an abandoned rabbit when it was a baby last year. He was the size of my fist and I could pick him up. It lives in my yard and continually eats an entire raised bed of crops on me, but he gets a pass. I can still walk up to him and he doesn’t care. I almost stepped on him by accident the other day.

  73. No One says:

    I’d be willing to discuss Ayn Rand with Amber Heard, like Elon did. He seems to have had the best relationship with her of all her lady and gentlemen admirers. Screwed around for a while then stayed “friends” afterwards.
    She looks a lot prettier in the movies than IRL. She won’t be getting many acting gigs at age 50.
    Seems like Heard and Depp were a couple of big time substance and people abusers during their marriage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSueWOn_TX8

  74. leftwing says:

    On more serious matters, noticing a potential ‘baby and bathwater’ situation on the back of NFLX….the cohort of established growth tech names I follow is getting brutalized…not talking the CW spec, no earnings, imaginary business line garbage companies, but solid entities.

    I’ve noted my affinity for FB before and my line of 175…she’s down 10% yesterday/today at 190…also vol on this stock (30 day ATM) is around 68….the ONLY other time it was viewed this risky was during COVID, last on 3/20….this stock is trading today as if we are in the worst depths of COVID…Lotta leaning on one side of the boat?

    Again, not financial advice, I am in possession of no FA qualifications whatsoever, am a retired HS janitor, earnings are coming shortly (volatility usually increases), and you alone are responsible for the selection, risk profile, suitability, and every other aspect of your investments….

  75. leftwing says:

    “Left, we do rabbit ragu maybe once every 2 weeks in the winter. I have to buy it at the asian grocery stores as Wegmans carries it and marks it up 3x.”

    Excellent place. Pick your live critter, hit the Belmont next door for old school Italian, and pick up your meat after.


  76. chicagofinance says:

    That noise is the sound of the Ten hitting 295.

  77. Fast Eddie says:

    Just three weeks after the streaming service launched, Warner Bros. Discovery announced it is shutting down CNN+. Variety broke the news. The service will cease operations on April 30th, according to multiple reports, meaning it will close after just 32 days.


  78. Fabius Maximus says:

    Meanwhile in Florida!


    Florida residents in Orange and Osceola counties will now be saddled with over a billion of debt which Disney had been paying, and well as being responsible for all municipal services like power, water, roads and fire protection per @CNBC

    Good job #DeathSantis and Florida GOP.

  79. Hold my beer says:


    I laughed over that. More like CNN-. LOL

  80. 3b says:

    Jerome says a”double size” rate hike is on the table for May.

  81. BRT says:

    Wait I thought massive government spending on services was a benefit, not a cost?

  82. Juice Box says:

    I see Jet Blue is the best in first class for domestic fights, this week you get your ass beat by the legendary Mike Tyson. Who is the celeb next week?

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