From NJ1015:

Jobs in NJ erase pandemic losses — but here’s how economy changed

Employment in New Jersey has finally fully recovered from the losses suffered during the economic shutdowns imposed in the first months of the pandemic, according to preliminary estimates released by the state Thursday.

Estimates produced by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics report a record-high number of jobs in the state in August for the first time in two and a half years – 4,241,200, a gain of 15,400 from a month earlier and 12,800 above the previous high set in February 2020.

In the pandemic’s first two months, when only businesses deemed essential could open and restaurants were limited to takeout service, employment in the state plunged by 732,600, more than 17% of all the jobs in New Jersey.

New Jersey’s economy has now gained jobs in 21 consecutive months.

The unemployment rate rose by 0.3 percentage points in August to 4%, the highest in four months.

That was mostly driven by an increase in labor force participation, which reached its highest level since June 2021, which the state labor department described as a signal that more workers are seeking jobs because of strong labor conditions. But unemployment was also at a four-month high at 188,700.

“While it is disappointing that New Jersey’s unemployment rate increased, and that our gap with the national rate ticked up, the message of the report is that job growth in the state remains strong, and it may be the case that people who had withdrawn from the labor force are coming back to look for jobs,” said former state chief economist Charles Steindel, in a report for the conservative Garden State Initiative.

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124 Responses to Recovery

  1. dentss dunnigan says:


  2. grim says:

    From Henley & Partners:

    The 20 Wealthiest Cities in the World for 2022

    New York – the wealthiest city on earth

    The Big Apple is home to 345,600 millionaires, including 737 centi-millionaires (with wealth of USD 100 million or more) and 59 dollar billionaires. New York is the financial center of the USA and the wealthiest city in the world by several measures. It is also home to the world’s two largest stock exchanges by market cap (the Dow Jones and NASDAQ). Perhaps most notably, total private wealth held by the city’s residents exceeds USD 3 trillion — higher than the total private wealth held in most major G20 countries.

    The city comprises the five boroughs of the Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island and features some of the world’s most exclusive residential streets, including 5th Avenue in Manhattan where prime apartment prices can exceed USD 28,000 per square meter.

    It should be noted that there are several affluent commuter towns located just outside New York City that also contain a large amount of top-tier wealth. Notables include: Greenwich, Great Neck, Sands Point and Old Westbury. If these towns were included in our New York City figures, then billionaire numbers in the combined city would exceed 120.

  3. dentss dunnigan says:

    Wish we had a governor like like Ron DeSantis …..he’s spreading diversity around …I starting to like this guy…

  4. grim says:

    Philly has been shipping their mentally ill and homeless to Atlantic City for decades, as a matter of practice, and not a one-time publicity event.

    He wasn’t the first, he didn’t even do it the best. By some reports, NYC has exported nearly 13,000 homeless across the US.

  5. Juice Box says:

    Beverly Hills is not inundated with homeless individuals, last survey counted like 16 but I doubt there are even that many. They ship them out…Same for the rest of the limousine liberal communities in California.

  6. grim says:

    Whew, winter is coming.

  7. Hughesrep says:

    Yes, Beverly Hills, noted liberal enclave. First item on google for “Beverly Hills voting trends.”

    “ The former Vice President garnered 8,668 votes while
    6, 329 ballots were cast for President Trump. The election returns for Beverly Hills do, however, reveal a more complicated picture than a binary choice between Democrat or Republican.”

    … Unsurprising for an area of high commercial success and wealth, Beverly Hills residents voted in line with business interests. The City overwhelmingly rejected Prop. 15, which would have taxed large commercial properties by their market value instead of their purchase price. Similarly, a landslide of Beverly Hills voters approved Prop. 22, classifying gig economy workers as independent contractors rather than employees.
    Beverly Hills voters returned decidedly disparate results when it came to criminal justice. Indicating a preference for her “tough on crime” approach, the City voted to reelect incumbent District Attorney Jackie Lacey over progressive challenger George Gascón. ”

    that same vein, Beverly Hills rejected Measure J, which diverts County money to social services as opposed to law enforcement and was placed on the ballot in response to the national reckoning with race and criminal justice. The County passed Measure J with about 57 percent of the vote, while 53 percent of Beverly Hills voted against the measure.“

    So as not to cherry pick, here’s another:

  8. Phoenix says:

    The 16 are temporary housekeepers in the estates of the wealthy. Working for room and board and not allowed to be seen during daylight hours.

    “Beverly Hills is not inundated with homeless individuals, last survey counted like 16 but I doubt there are even that many. They ship them out…Same for the rest of the limousine liberal communities in California.”

  9. Phoenix says:

    Grim’s article

    “It’s wrong and un-American,” says Nicholas Cubides, a volunteer for Food Not Bombs. “You cannot tell humans in this country where they can exist and at what times.”

    Oh yes we can. Remember how America was founded? It’s part of America’s core. The base coat. The foundation. The bedrock. Maybe even gravity itself.

    In fact, America is so good at it that it tells humans in OTHER countries where they can exist and at what times. Using words, laws, lies, force and violence.

    I didn’t believe it either until I was woken up by my ex wife with a planned attack at 7am. Screaming at me, calling the police, lying to them, them lying to me, and finding myself evicted from my own house by 8:30am. Just like effing Pearl Harbor.

  10. Phoenix says:

    A message from some students to all of you teachers out here. I’d suggest you listen and read the comments. This is what your youth thinks of you-is broadcasting-and the image you portray to them. The comments are priceless:

  11. Phoenix says:

    This is so funny. How much you wanna bet DeSantis kept all the hot Venezuelan women for himself down in Florida?

    Residents of Martha’s Vineyard gather on the sidewalk with migrants from Venezuela who were flown up to the Massachusetts island on Thursday

  12. Fast Eddie says:

    “U.S. stock futures on Friday suggested a sell-off in equity markets was poised to deepen at the open as traders weighed an ominous warning from FedEx about the global economy.

    Futures tied to the S&P 500 slid 0.8% along with a 1% decline in Nasdaq futures. Contracts on the Dow Jones Industrial Average were off by 245 points, or 0.8%.

    FedEx (FDX) withdrew its full-year guidance late Thursday and delivered messaging around its earnings outlook that sent the stock spiraling in extended trading. Shares tanked roughly 20% pre-market on Friday.

    “Global volumes declined as macroeconomic trends significantly worsened later in the quarter, both internationally and in the U.S.” FedEx CEO Raj Subramaniam said in an earnings statement. “We are swiftly addressing these headwinds, but given the speed at which conditions shifted, first quarter results are below our expectations.”

    With the third-quarter reporting season on deck, a number of strategists have soured on their earnings expectations and trimmed their forecasts.

    According to data from FactSet Research, earnings growth expectations for the S&P 500 stand at an increase of 3.7% for the third quarter, down sharply from expectations of 9.8% growth at the end of June.

    Analysts have cut Q3 earnings expectations over the last 2-3 months for every sector in the S&P 500 except energy, and seven out of 11 sectors in the index are now expected to show outright year-over-year declines in earnings, compared to only three in the second quarter.”

  13. Phoenix says:

    If I could be a superhero
    I’d be immigration dude
    I’d send the foreigners back to their homes
    For eating up all of our food
    And taking our welfare and best jobs to boot
    Like landscaping, dishwashing, picking our fruit
    I’d pass a lot of laws to get rid of their brood
    ‘Cause I’d be immigration dude

  14. Libturd says:

    This DeSantis “stunt”, is a stunning example of the populist playbook. The act of dispersing immigrants all over the country does not bother me at all. I see it as a good thing. But sending them to Martha’s Vineyard was a disgusting political stunt and I certainly would not want my country run in this manner. In the grand scheme of things, it’s really a nothing burger (that term makes me cringe and laugh at the same time). Though, fooling immigrants into thinking they were getting working papers and dropping them off where it is least likely they will (Boston is pretty far from the Island), is maltreatment. Sorry, but I don’t care who they are. They did not deserve to be the butt of a real-life DeSantis joke. Again, you can see where those lawn signs made sense.

    You can say a lot of bad things about the Democrats and they are most certainly true, but they don’t scapegoat. DeSantis, like his disgusting sensei Donald, use hatred as a rallying call. This is simply unacceptable.

  15. Chicago says:

    2Y 389
    10Y 345

  16. Fast Eddie says:

    Now democrats are comparing Martha’s Vineyard to Naz1 death camps. Have you ever seen those videos where a fat Karen is in an argument she’s losing badly and throws herself on the ground like she’s been sucker-punched, screaming in agony yet no one came near her? Lol. That’s what I picture when liberals try to tie logic to lunacy. Liberals are a real life parody.


  17. Juice Box says:

    Look at the Central American immigrants living the dream in the Hamptons! They say it is a safe place to live and there are no problems with migration or police. Here is a hardworking immigrant who has been living here 15 years and has a wife and two kids back home in Guatemala, he is living the dream, no work visa, and says he will never go back home!!! Well because he cannot afford to!

  18. Fast Eddie says:

    Liberals, look.. over here! No, no, over here… focus… we have another manufactured crisis to stoke your anger in order to disguise our failures! Be a good little s0cialist and feign outrage. Very good! Now, go get a Scooby snack and get ready for the vote harvest in November.

  19. Libturd says:

    I just glanced at a list of about 50 stocks that I keep on a perpetual watch list. Only four of them are above their 52-week midrange.

    Molina Health Care
    Centene Corp. (also healthcare)
    Vertex Pharma

    In America, we pay on average DOUBLE of what the rest of the world pays for healthcare. Now, correlation is not causation. But I have a funny feeling that in this case, it is.

    But pay no attention to the insider trading in congress. Ignore where $12,500 of your money goes to every year on average. Do pay attention to those Venezuelans on that bus.

  20. Hughesrep says:

    Every accusation is a confession.

    Off to my 10:30 tee time at the club.

  21. Chicago says:

    Just remember we are coming up on the end of 3Q. A good bunch of asset manager have completely fucked up 2022. 4Q will be interesting.

    Is FedEx a shot across the bow or a one off?

  22. joyce says:

    Thank god for body cameras

  23. Chicago says:

    2Y 391
    10Y 348

  24. 3b says:

    Juice: There is plenty of wooded areas in the Hamptons, all that has to be done is clear some of the property, and build low income housing , and the problem is solved. But, that’s the whole hypocrisy with the loud liberals they scream about republicans and racists, but they don’t want migrants living permanently in their towns, so in the case of the Hamptons, just keep them hidden in the woods.

    All these Martha’s Vineyard residents stressed over 50 migrants in their community, and others screaming that De Santis is a racist. Old Joe was flying migrants into various cities in the dead of night, not a peep out of the Liberal.

  25. SmallGovConservative says:

    Libturd says:
    September 16, 2022 at 8:34 am
    “You can say a lot of bad things about the Democrats and they are most certainly true, but they don’t scapegoat.”

    You mean like this? Because it sounds like scapegoating — and lying — to me. Another doozy of a dumb comment by Lib.

    “We have a secure border in that that is a priority for any nation, including ours and our administration. But there are still a lot of problems that we are trying to fix given the deterioration that happened over the last four years. “

  26. Hold my beer says:

    Getting 2 new tires this morning. Decided to walk over to McDonald’s for a second breakfast while I wait. They call my number, I get up from my corner, walk up to the counter and it’s not there. Some old fool had swiped it and was already drinking the coffee and unwrapping the McMuffin. The woman was yelling sir sir you took the wrong one. I said 252 and you are 253. I already told you that. I got my order replaced. Bonus the old dude all hunched over unsteadily walks out and climbs into a massive pickup. Lovely. Poor motor skills too and drives something weighs over 5,000 pounds.

  27. crushednjmillenial says:

    Dems scapegoat MAGA Americans. According to many D’s and others in the broader left, the problems of society are all rooted in racist beliefs and racist institutions. Also, those ignorant Republican voters who don’t want a lot of immigration, free trade, social benefits for the poor, or race-based policies like affirmative action.

    Dems also (at least rhetorically) scapegoat the wealthy. Especially, large company C-suite, others who have high net worth due to untaxed-unrealized capital gains, and inherited wealth. (Of course while the D’s use rhetoric against the high wealthy, they don’t actually back it up with action = for example, carried interest continues onward). Parenthetically, and to his credit, Bernie is more opposed to the wealthy than the “racists” and imo he just pays lip service to the notion of “big-time racism is a big problem in the USA.”

    Both sides scapegoat someone. They point to some group as the problem in society and the group that must be opposed to create a brighter future.

  28. Libturd says:

    “But, that’s the whole hypocrisy with the loud liberals ”

    I won’t argue with you there. At the end of the day, the R and D tags means nothing when it either impacts your wallet to greatly, or heavens to Betsy, your way of life.

    There aren’t many among us here who willing to do the right thing. I personally, would have no issue with low income housing being built in my town or my kid attending a regional high school with kids from Newark and it’s shittier burbs. Would it suck? Absolutely! Would it be fair? Absolutely. Ethics and morals, so few have them.

  29. crushednjmillenial says:

    One narrative emerging from Martha’s Vineyard is that the locals rallied together to provide for and welcome the 50 migrants.

    Well, great, let’s see how they do with 50 per day. I hope DeSantis keeps the flights running. The only problem is he should have had vans ready to drive the migrants as close as possible to Obama’s house and then had all migrants provided with a map of the gate to ring at for assistance.

  30. Hold my beer says:


    The wealthy libs are pure hypocrites. Same group talks about global warming while having multiple 10,000 sq ft mansions and traveling around the world on yachts and private jets. But they want the Walmart cashier to get an ev car to save the planet. Not to mention they were for bussing kids all over to integrate schools while they send their precious f@ck trophies to 50k a year private schools. They will gladly stand with immigrants as long as the immigrants live far away from them. I loathe them.

  31. Hold my beer says:


    And how long will they even provide for those first 50 once the camera stop rolling?

    El Paso has been overrun. All shelters and motels full and over 1,000 living in the streets. I hope desantis and abbot send 50 a day to Martha’s Vineyard, Nantucket and all the other wealthy liberal pro sanctuary spots in the US.

  32. crushednjmillenial says:

    6:37 . . .

    Wow, according to that article, 4% of NYC’s population are millionaires.

    Weird list though because they used numbers for NYC by city limits but then used partial metro areas for many other cities. Weirdly used the Canton of Zurich, but didn’t include the parts of the Zurich metro outside the canton

  33. Libturd says:


    These cop videos are unbelievable. No reform is needed.

  34. 3b says:

    Hold: That is why I have contempt for them too, do as I say, not as I do. The rules don’t apply to us , only you peons. Privilege indeed!

  35. Libturd says:

    If you don’t see the sickness in the DeSantis stunt, then there is little hope for you. Same with January 6th. This is behavior befitting Neanderthals.

    You know, deep down I keep telling myself that I hope DeSantis wins. This way, we can see his buffoonery on the main stage and the result should be a quick end to this hatred. But I fear those who support it will look past the inhumanity of it. This is a very dangerous time. We really are not that far away from a Kristallnacht. Especially with the declining state of our economy. Won’t be too long before the populists will be blaming the collapse of our country on unfettered illegal immigration. Then it’s not to far of a jump to rounding them all up and shipping them off to camps. We’ve done it before and we’ll do it again.

    “the problems of society are all rooted in racist beliefs and racist institutions.”

    No, some problems are the result of racist beliefs and institutions. Go watch Joyce’s latest video. Not ALL cops are bad, but there is definitely a commonality of dumb white make believe GI Joes who join the police force to get off on their closeted KKK fantasies.

    I even support some of the MAGA stances. But there needs to be compromise and meeting in the middle. As both parties move out the extremes, it will only be worse for all of us. To deny this is ignorant.

    What the heck is a wealthy lib? Are you saying all libs are wealthy and all conservatives are poor?

  36. Hold my beer says:


    Where’s the sickness in biden welcoming migrants, appointing Harris as border czar, and then Harris announcing our borders are secure as we get a record number of migrants this year. Go look at news on the border towns. They look like 3rd world countries. Thousands of people living on the streets, garbage and human waste everywhere. It’s a real humanitarian crisis. And the libs cry racism when a red state drops off a bus load of migrants in a sanctuary city.

  37. Hold my beer says:

    Desantis is going to start dropping off migrants in Delaware. More hypocritical libs crying. The dem representative for Martha’s Vineyard wanted migrants last year. Now he got them. And he’s crying about it saying they should have advanced notice. We’re getting 6,000 a day everyday and one of the wealthiest areas on the planet can’t handle 50?

  38. 3b says:

    Lib: I know that all Libs are not wealthy, I am talking about the wealthy ones, including all those celebrities, the ones who are constantly outraged, but never have to live with the conservative, and even some of the not so wealthy Libs, the everyday Liberals, and I know quite a few who scream about racism, but when you mention low/ moderate income housing in their towns and they start to squirm , and say it would be great, but just not in their town. Again, they support it , but just not in their town.

    Now it’s the sanctuary cities, who say yes come you will be welcome and safe here, but as we see now it’s just lip service, as those cities don’t want them either. So, what do they do? They deflect and call De Santis a racist, that’s hypocrisy. You say what De Santis is doing is a stunt, and yet Biden was doing the same thing dropping planes of migrants off in various areas including Westchester Co NY; was that a stunt? If all these people care why aren’t they offering to take migrants in and share the burden? Why is it only the border states problem?

    I don’t like that human beings are being herded around like cattle , it’s inhumane, and it’s the responsibility of the Federal government to step in and control the border period.

  39. crushednjmillenial says:

    10:21 . . .

    An America that is 10% more patriotic, 10% more hostile to racial minorities, 10% more fashionable to dress in military-inspired dress, 10% more dismissive of the feelings of the empathetic, 10% more tax cuts for the wealthy, or 10% more right wing in any way good-or-bad, etc. is still, far, far, far FAR from a Kristalnacht, in my opinion.

    Indeed, 20% more; 30% more right wing and you’re still very far. My point is that I don’t, in my opinion, see the slippery slope to Fascism as being as slippery as you seem to. If Trump wanted to make his positions expressly racist (instead, of just arguably implicitly racist), he’d lose 2024 big. [And, parenthetically, Trump does have a credible economic message to racial minorities who are American citizens – something like “your birthright – your deserved high-paying manufacturing job was shipped overseas by the Establishment, then your medium-paying roofing job was taken by an illegal immigrant permitted to be here by the Establishment, so that your low-paying retail job is what was leftover for you. I want to smash that system that has wronged you.].

    Further, if any side is moving authoritarian, imo, it is the left. They support censorship of free speech (albeit, in private forums). Billions of property damage as political violence from unchecked summer of 2020 riots due to provacatuers who claim racism is the problem in the USA (instead of people holding themselves down with limiting beliefs because they believe racism is the problem in the USA).

  40. The Great Pumpkin says:

    How about the people against low/moderate income housing in the name of capitalism? I am against it on the premise that it is unfair. Simple as that. I had to work hard and pay up to get to a better neighborhood while someone gets Uncle Sam to hand it to them on a platter? F THAT. Motivation and ambition….you don’t like your current living standards, well then do something about it besides bitching about income inequality.

    “but when you mention low/ moderate income housing in their towns and they start to squirm , and say it would be great, but just not in their town. Again, they support it , but just not in their town.”

  41. Juice Box says:

    Have to remember one thing about Martha’s Vineyard. There is plenty of hotel rooms available now. 200,000 people there in the Summer and only 17,000 in the offseason. Plenty of rooms for the immigrants, but they want them off the island ASAP. Ship em to the Military base on Cape Cod ASAP.

    Whoops they already were kicked out. Was that even 24 hours?

    @Washington Post.

    Migrants sent by Gov. DeSantis to Martha’s Vineyard depart for Cape Cop. Gov. Charlie Baker (R) said the migrants will be offered “shelter and humanitarian supports” in dormitory-style rooms at Joint Base Cape Cod in Bourne Mass.

  42. crushednjmillenial says:

    Juice beat me to it. I was coming here to post that the 50 migrants on Martha’s Vineyard have ALREADY been moved to Cape Cod, even though it is off-season and there are thousands of vacant housing units and hotel rooms on the island.

    I wonder if the powers that be will turn planes or buses away from Martha’s Vineyard airport or the mainland ferry. If I am DeSantis I’m getting the next load ready ASAP and if I’ve Abbott, the next buses are all heading to the ferry stop for MV.

    I think DeSantis hit a nerve. The left is, in theory, welcoming to the migrants but also hypocritically calling their small presence in NYC, Chicago, DC or MV, a “crisis.” If you haven’t seen the videos from El Paso and the other border towns – lots of people sleeping on the streets.

  43. Libturd says:

    First off, I never said, nor was I aware of anyone calling DeSantis a racist. Remember, I’m not a wonk. I don’t read anything but Tangle. I am not sure the bordertowns are any worse than most of the cities in California. What we are witnessing is indeed a crisis. This is the result of greed at the top and the bought government going for the ride.

    1970 is when the PAC became an instrument of greed. This just happens to the time when the gains from increased productivity began flowing upwards to the top class as everyone else stayed even. This has continued to present day.

    We can blame it on immigrants, poor Dem policies, etc. The truth is, we have 66 million homeless people in America. Our level of poverty, for such a rich country, is quite disappointing. immigration levels are at the same point now as they were in the 80s and 2000s and the numbers include the pant-up demand from the risk of expulsion that existed during the Trump administration.

    Yes, immigration is an issue, has always been an issue and will continue to be an issue if both parties do nothing more than talk about it. And don’t tell me that wall is a solution. So immigration costs approximately 50 billion per year out of a 4 trillion budget. If I am not mistaken, that is 1.25% of our total tax revenue. Personally, I think it’s worth it. You may not.

  44. Libturd says:

    Who called Cape Cod a crisis? The conservative press?

    Grow up.

  45. 3b says:

    Lib: I know you didn’t say De Santis was a racist, but he is being called that in the media. We need to have common sense immigration, with an organized system for vetting people, and then allowing admittance. Anyone with a criminal background, should not be permitted in period.

    We also have to plan for the future, how many immigrants do we allow in every year, will it just be the poor / unskilled/educated, people, will we allow others of a higher economic background, educational level skills? How do we plan for Medicare/ Medicaid, Social Security, if we legalize immigrants those already here , and those who want to come, then these issues must be addressed. Once legalized will all the businesses that hire them pay minimum wage, health benefits? What happens when many of these immigrants are no longer physically able to do the demanding physical work they so many of them do? How will they be cared for? The list goes on, but we need to have a system in place, and right now it’s chaos.

  46. 3b says:

    Lib: CNN sent a whole news crew up to Martha s Vineyard, and said the residents were stressed, and town officials claimed they did not have the resources to take care of 50 migrants.

  47. crushednjmillenial says:

    12:11 . . .

    Famously, DC Mayor Bowser declared a state of emergency. Chicago Gov declared state of emrgency re migrants. Massachusetts Gov called in national guard to transport the migrants to cape cod.

    The Martha’s Vineyard tourism twitter account called it a “humanitarian crisis” – I thought when I saw this originally that it was the municipal government twitter account.

  48. Libturd says:

    Any town would be stressed that was not prepared for it. This is common sense. The fact a tiny town of rich folk couldn’t handle it makes it click bait.

    And I agree, there is no plan around immigration. Why? Because there is no compromise. Everything must be a wedge issue. With immigration, like so many other policies, the sensible answer is that we need to put something in place. Not just for vetting, but for assimilation too. It wouldn’t hurt for us to work with the governments in the countries where the people are coming from to help stem the flow. We don’t do this buy building a wall and then claiming your neighbor is paying for it.

    I’ve always found compassion and fairness a much better negotiating tool than bullying and vitriol.

  49. Phoenix says:

    How do we plan for Medicare/ Medicaid, Social Security, if we legalize immigrants those already here , and those who want to come, then these issues must be addressed.

    Do what we always do. Add it to the deficit.

  50. Phoenix says:


    Disturbing video. Not surprised one bit.

  51. Phoenix says:

    “The numbers don’t portend well’: FedEx CEO believes a ‘worldwide recession’ is looming after company reported a sharp drop-off in shipping volume, sending its shares down 23%”

    The wealthy already have everything they need. They own enough houses and cars.

    And how often do you need a new toilet when you have 6 in your house and you only take one dump a day?

    OTOH there are others that need a toilet so bad they are taking their dumps in a Home depot spackle bucket, but they don’t have the money for a toilet. Hell, now they don’t even have a plastic bag to line the bucket thanks to Murphy.

  52. Libturd says:

    On the bright side of the looming market crash. The system needs a real cleansing. Not just a new layer of tar. GS is talking about another 27% in declines. Yeah, I could see that.

  53. Hold my beer says:


    You need to wait for Amazon and UPS to report. Amazon has been delivering more stuff themselves and small businesses have been switching to usps and ups. I know pirate ship has commercial rates for UPS now and it offers cubical priority mail shipping which is cheaper than by weight. That has to be cutting into fedex sales.

  54. BRT says:

    The wealthy libs are pure hypocrites. Same group talks about global warming while having multiple 10,000 sq ft mansions and traveling around the world on yachts and private jets.

    Hold, I know someone, married to bigtime movie producer, lives in a 15 BR mansion, multiple vacation homes, flies to sporting events around the country weekly during the season, and drives a Porsche SUV. Advocates everyone go green, reduce their carbon footprint, wants to dismantle nuclear power plants.

  55. Libturd says:


    That is true and you see it all of the time. But just like if you taxed the rich 100% it would not pay for all of the poor. If all of the rich people truly went “green”, it wouldn’t make any significant difference to our planet.

    In other news. I no longer own a multi. Hear that ChiFi? You were wrong!

    I’ll try to write the nightmare on Christopher Street some time this weekend.

  56. 3b says:

    Lib: Sorry, I disagree. An Uber wealthy area like Martha’s Vineyard could not handle 50 migrants!! Texas border towns are overwhelmed with migrants.

  57. crushednjmillenial says:

    Podium Guy from January 6 talks about that day at link below. Not many first-hand accounts out there in the media. . .

  58. 3b says:

    Lib: Unfortunately, you are right, the system does need a real cleaning/ reset. I have been saying it for years. The Fed destroyed the economy with zero interest rates, the longer it went on, the worse the end result would ultimately be.

  59. Libturd says:

    And the rich benefitted more than anyone as always.

  60. SmallGovConservative says:

    On the topic of Bidenflation, have other pet owners observed a stratospheric increase in veterinary costs over the past ~12 months? I can’t seem to escape a vet visit with less than a couple hundred dollar bill and just spent almost $400 this morning for a 10-minute ‘wellness’ exam and blood work. Is this everyone’s experience, or do I need a new vet?

  61. OC1 says:

    “How do we plan for Medicare/ Medicaid, Social Security, if we legalize immigrants those already here , and those who want to come, then these issues must be addressed.”

    If medicare and Social security are your big issues, then you should be very pro- immigration.

    A growing population with more workers means more Medicare and SS taxes paid.

  62. 3b says:

    Oc1 That assumes all of these immigrants will be paying taxes, and not working off the books. If American employers have to pay taxes and benefits, will they dump these people, and look for cheaper alternatives? What happens to these people then? I am assuming that most of them have very little formal education, so what are there alternatives? What will the impact be with an already large poor/ working class population in this country.

  63. Hold my beer says:


    The wealthy green hypocrites are the ones providing the financing for the green politicians. The wealthy can afford to pay for energy prices that double or triple, and geothermal heating and cooling and solar panels to power their homes and recharge their ev cars. And if inflation goes up 15-20% a year they can handle it too. The rest of us will get ground down into serfdom from the financial costs of their fantasy energy policies.

  64. Hold my beer says:


    And that producer is probably just a as big a hypocrite
    In the way they run their business on social issues too I bet.

  65. BRT says:

    If all of the rich people truly went “green”, it wouldn’t make any significant difference to our planet.

    This is true, but why do they should either practice what they preach or shut up.

  66. Libturd says:

    True, true and true. Just being a pain in the ass. I’m on your side with the energy argument. Chances are Biden is too. But climate change, like everything else, has been made into a wedge issue. Can you frack cleanly? Sure, does it cost it little more than fracking dirty, sure. But what is the cost of continuing to enrich Saudi Arabia as China goes on burning coal. But now that it’s a wedge issue, Rs must hate anything to do with helping mother earth, and Ds must help mother earth at any cost.

    There are compromising positions that both sides could agree to, if their MO was not to always take an extreme position like each side is measuring each other’s dicks.

  67. JCer says:

    Lib you are way off base, the stunt makes a point. The poor and working class are inundated with millions of illegal aliens, it’s OK to send unvetted migrants into their neighborhoods but you drop 50 people in MV and liberals are up in arms. Truth be told one single not often used, probably vacant rich persons home could comfortably house all of them. It’s hypocritical, even in our area people putting up the “no person is illegal” signs would be up in arms if they started settling migrants in town and even moreso as the schools collapse as a result.

    It’s same thing with going green, most of these rich people will drive a tesla while maintaining multiple large homes and flying between them on a private jet. As someone else pointed out the issue is that their lifestyle doesn’t change while the middle class is forced to give up simple luxuries like a steak, air conditioning, and their cars. The fact remains the carbon emissions from some of these rich people for a single year is a lifetime’s worth of emissions for a middle class person.

    Lib no plan for immigration? How about there are currently laws that should be enforced and if they want to change the policy vis-a-vis migrants they can pass legislation. As of right now there cannot be “a plan” for people who aren’t supposed to be here. We cannot bring them in the math simply doesn’t work, by and large they will cost more than they will contribute which will collapse already fragile government programs.

  68. BRT says:

    My opinion on the environment is, we should be using fossil fuels, and nuclear in the safest cleanest way. The costs to do that, it’s a cost we should pay.

    All of our materials should be glass, aluminum, and paper where possible. Again, it’s a cost we should pay. We should have a recycling infrastructure in place to keep that going.

    Solar is dirty. Electric cars are dirty. That can change, and if it does great.

  69. BRT says:

    If those 50 immigrants chose to squat in a NYC apartment building illegally, it would take years to evict them. How long would it take for them to evict them from a vacant home in the Vineyard?

  70. BRT says:

    On the market front, it was a 5% week for me on my trading account. Closed out all positions for the weekend. I don’t want to think about it over the weekend. Short the rips sell the dips. I love when Cathie is the only buyer of a small cap, jacks it up 20% and then watch it revert to the mean as there are no other buyers when she’s done. It happens time and time again.

  71. No One says:

    Latinos in March 2022 had a 46% favorable, 37% unfavorable opinion of DeSantis
    They had a 49% favorable, 38% unfavorable opinion of Biden
    They had a 26% favorable, 62% unfavorable opinion of Trump
    45% favorable, 34% unfavorable opinion of Kamala
    This is from an IPSOS survey.

  72. Fast Eddie says:

    Solar is dirty. Electric cars are dirty.

    SHHH!!! I hope you didn’t say that too loudly! (Insert Fast Eddie whispering here) Listen, we have a lot of friends who are contractors and advisors so, let’s try to keep it down, okay? There’s a lot of money to be made and we don’t want to have anyone noseying around asking questions while we fleece the p1ss out of the muppet slob tax payers. Obama did it correctly, flew under the radar and everyone got paid handsomely! BLM fucked it up… got too crazy, like a scene out of Goodfellas, showing up in Caddys with mink coats. Not the way to do it. Yes, build green better!! I mean green better deal!! Um… you know… the thing.

  73. Hold my beer says:

    Massachusetts has to get the national guard to handle 50 migrants on MV. DC gets few thousand dropped off and repeatedly asked for the national guard to be mobilized. NYC NYC can’t handle the 10,000 that have been bussed by Texas and Arizona.

    Yet Texas has had to mobiles the nationalGuard and send thousands of state troopers to the border to deal With the 6,000 migrants a day and is called racist and hysterical by the libs.

  74. Very Stable Genius says:

    “Undocumented folks paid $32 billion in taxes last year, and the average undocumented worker pays about 7x more in federal income taxes than Donald Trump.

    So, when you say “taxpayers are footing the bill”, you’re talking about undocumented workers.”

  75. Bystander says:

    Very Stable,

    I wonder how script will flip when 1000 unwanted babies get dropped off at Abbott’s house in a year. I think the religious in Ann Arbor, Harbaugh said he and his wife will take them

  76. 3b says:

    Bystander: They might them, they might not, but right now we have proof that there are sanctuary cities and elite liberal areas like Martha’s Vineyard don’t want them. They have been removed in under 24 hours. Yet, El Paso and other border cities have thousands.

  77. Libturd says:

    I say ship them everywhere. We should all share in the burden. Though fixing the processing delays would probably be a wiser spend.

  78. 3b says:

    Lib: Exactly. That’s what I have been saying. Ship them everywhere and include all the wealthy and elite suburbs and vacation spots too. Spread the burden to all areas of the country. This faux outrage is just that. Maybe once the burden is spread out, perhaps then the Fed government will actually get real and get control of the border.

  79. Ex says:

    3:48 you wouldn’t know a “lib” if it bit you in the ass.

  80. OC1 says:

    Florida has 27 congressman; Texas has 36. And of course both have 2 senators.

    With that much political fire power in DC, you would think that they might be able to get some federal help to deal with the refugees.

    Have they even tried?

  81. OC1 says:

    “Ship them everywhere and include all the wealthy and elite suburbs and vacation spots too.”

    Unfortunately, the US has these pesky things called “laws” and “the constitution”.

    If someone is in the US legally (and all asylum seekers are here legally until their cases are decided) they can pretty much go where ever they want.

    NPR is reporting that at least some of the refugees were picked up in Texas, and were lured onto the plane by being told that they were being flown to Boston to get expedited working papers.

  82. Hold my beer says:


    You really have a fixation with rears and orifices. I suggest you seek professional help.

  83. 3b says:

    Oc1 : Well we know for sure that the majority of them are economic refugees, not asylum seekers. As for these states asking for help, from the Federal government, they should not have to, it should be sent.

  84. Bystander says:

    Can some red states take the 320k Indian visa holders in NJ/NYC area? It is not fair that we have to take them all and live with wage suppression.

  85. Juice Box says:

    OC1 – re: All asylum seekers are here legally.

    Are your facts straight on the “laws” and “the constitution”?

    Most of these immigrants are breaking the law and most are not applying for legal asylum and of those that do very few will be approved.

    Where do you get your information from anyway? It almost sounds like an AOC talking point.

    Here are the real numbers.

    There are approx 6 million crossing the 2000 miles of SOUTHERN border this fiscal year ending this month. Of those DHS will have intercepted approx. 2.2 million at the southern border, that is where the 6,000 a daily number comes from. Of those waiting at the checkpoints or picked up along the border crossing illegally 300,000 will have filed for legal asylum, usually the approvals are very low but this year we had allot of Russians and Ukrainians at the southern border so maybe it will be 15% of 300,000 so maybe 45,000 will legally be allowed to stay if a judge approves.

  86. 3b says:

    Bystander: I love you man, but seriously? You are way off base on that last post. There is no comparison. You just have to accept that the Democrats are just as hypocritical and full of crap as the Republicans, for both different and the same reasons. Once you accept your Democrats suck too, along with the Republicans, you won’t give give a crap any more and be resigned to the fact that nothing is going to change. There are no good guys, three all suck.

  87. Juice Box says:

    BTW – I am 100% for immigration, after all I am the son of immigrants. As far as population, when I was born here it was around 200 million in the US and now it’s somewhere around 331 million today. My only horse in this game is I want congress and the president to do the right thing and actually set a goal and vote on and approve it, I don’t think it’s 6 million immigrants a year but I could be wrong. In addition it would be nice to have those millions coming here flag waving and tax paying citizens after all that deficit is quite large.

  88. Juice Box says:

    3B – Bystander is a smart guy he could go back and go to law school and run for office to change things…Won’t happen he is too fat and happy already…

  89. OC1 says:


    “The migrants transported to Martha’s Vineyard are Venezuelans who recently crossed the southwest border without authorization and turned themselves in to border officials.”

    “After they were taken into custody, they were screened and released to face proceedings in the future. The Biden administration has been using this process with nearly all of the Cuban and Venezuelan border crossers because it lacks the diplomatic relations with those countries that would be necessary to send them back to those countries.”

    “Under the law, once migrants have been released by border officials and served documents to appear in court, they are no longer in federal custody and are free to travel within the United States.”

    Any migrant can show up at the US border and say they want to apply for asylum. They then get a court date. Until that court date, they are free to stay in the US.

    Their asylum claims may be BS, but until they get their day in court…

    And yes, it’s a disfunctional system. Congress needs to change the laws or fund more immigration judges to process things quickly.

  90. Ex says:

    7:59 I won’t lie. Orifices beat wfh.

  91. Phoenix says:

    ‘It’s one of the richest places in the United States and it has more available beds than any other place probably in North America right now, but it’s just they can’t swing it – but you can do your part by donating to the fund, and by donating the fund, they’ll help the migrants,’ Carlson said.

    ‘Well, a lot of people believed it. The fund raised $40,000 – but here’s the best part. You’re going to love this part.

    ‘How much of that money is going to the migrants? Oh, none. None.

    ‘An update on the fundraising page reveals that the funds will instead go toward, ”building up a reserve to assist situations like this in the future, rather than directly helping this group of migrants in their situation.”

    “The organizer, Sarah Goulet – a New York-based communications and PR executive – wrote on the page: ‘Officials and volunteers on the island have sprung into action to provide emergency services, shelter, food, and clothing.

    ‘Martha’s Vineyard is a community of open-hearted individuals that view these migrants as people, not political pawns.”

  92. Very Stable Genius says:

    “Supporters of former President Donald Trump desire harsher punishment for a Chinese-American man who committed bank fraud compared to a white man who committed the same crime, according to new research published in the Journal of Experimental Criminology.

    “One result we found especially surprising was that individuals who supported former President Trump were much more likely to support the use of deportation for punishing bank fraud when the individual convicted of the offense was Chinese-American,” said study co-author Michael Reisig.

    But why study how the race of a white-collar criminal influences punitive attitudes among those with high levels of faith in Trump? “Our interest in this topic stems from three considerations,” explained study co-author Francis Cullen. “First, during the COVID-19 pandemic, instances of fraud were pervasive and exacted high financial costs.”

    “Most revealing, those with higher faith in Trump responded differently when the perpetrator was Chinese-American, seeing the fraud as more serious and favoring harsher criminal sanctions,” Cullen said. “These respondents even favored deporting Chinese-American offenders despite their having U.S. citizenship. These results show the potential influence that Donald Trump has over his followers in their public attitudes toward crime and people of color.”

  93. Hold my beer says:

    No One

    Life in the nanny state. I wonder if NJ will try to ban one time use polymailers next. That will fail too. The manufactures would just need to put 2 strips of adhesive on it and can claim you can use it twice.

    Germany passed a packaging act. They wanted foreign businesses to pay a yearly registration fee based on estimated amount of waste. And only reusable, recyclable, or biodegradable packaging was allowed. I’m sure it’s failing miserably. All small businesses I know simply blocked Germany. The costs to register and buy and store separate supplies were prohibitive. The packaging is at least 8 times the cost of regular packaging, not to mention the storage space it would occupy.

  94. Fast Eddie says:

    “Undocumented folks paid $32 billion in taxes last year, and the average undocumented worker pays about 7x more in federal income taxes than Donald Trump.

    It’s less than that but we’ll go with your number because I know you want to feel important. Think of the taxes illegal aliens will have to pay from under the table wages now that 87,000 armed IRS Gestapo agents are on the prowl!! And the cost to tax payers in medical, educational, welfare and other benefits for illegals was over $200 billion last year.

    All of this has nothing to do with my personal feeling towards these people, it’s just to illustrate, once again, that democrats love to deflect, create chaos, confusion and make accusations because every proposal and plan they whip up ends in epic failure.

  95. BRT says:

    Pffft…. 32 billion. What’s that, 2 weeks worth of donations to Ukraine?

  96. leftwing says:

    “How do we plan for Medicare/ Medicaid, Social Security, if we legalize immigrants those already here…”

    Why would you even think this…if they are actually eligible for asylum (single digit percentage of arrivals) they stay and get absorbed. The millions others? Rounded up and shipped out.

    As they should be. As the law provides.

    Like this guy…don’t even need a hearing here. He admits he is here for economics in national media. Should be gonzo. See ya…

    Scroll down to the dude’s photo and the caption.

  97. Hold my beer says:


    Exactly. Look at property taxes. We pay 12k a year. But we had 2 kids in the school costing around 10k a year each. Throw in use of roads, library, parks and the town was probably losing 1ok to 12k a year on us. The town might be at break even on us with one kid now in college. Just think how much the town will be losing on
    a migrant family or multiple migrant families Living in the same house or apartment. But hey the lefties are standing with them
    While the Maga guy gets his lawn cut cheaper than a crew of college kids would charge.

  98. leftwing says:

    “If medicare and Social security are your big issues, then you should be very pro- immigration. A growing population with more workers means more Medicare and SS taxes paid.”

    yeah, no….least painful way to end a ponzi scheme is in the beginning…not by continuing to grow it wrapping in more and more lesser qualified rubes….

    “Unfortunately, the US has these pesky things called “laws” and “the constitution”.

    “If someone is in the US legally (and all asylum seekers are here legally until their cases are decided) they can pretty much go where ever they want…Any migrant can show up at the US border and say they want to apply for asylum. They then get a court date. Until that court date, they are free to stay in the US.”

    The Executive branch/administrative state has a lot of power, as we all have found out over the past two administrations.

    Logic dictates that our country decides our procedures for entry, not someone else. If we don’t have enough infrastructure to hear these cases in a timely manner then warehouse them, or otherwise prevent them from getting to the border. Immigrants apply on our schedule, not vice versa. If EWR customs is understaffed they don’t just say “screw it” and let everyone walk through the gates with a promise they’ll come back tomorrow. JFC. Border is no different.

    Also, it is very easy through any one of a dozen ways for any admin to stem the flow…the last admin did and the Left howled…this admin literally told the world the gates are open, millions arrive, and the Right howled…bottom line it is about your intentions and the stated – not implied but the stated – intention of this admin is to allow as many into our country before any determination is made. That is a choice. Not a law.

    I find this stance so morally and ethically offensive on so many levels it is nearly impossible to begin…in what other format is everyone allowed in and then eligibility determined? Guess for Yankees games we’ll just throw the gates open, let 100,000 people in, and then send ticket checkers around all game long to determine who actually belongs….makes perfect sense. /s

    Even more offensive is these Venezuelans come through no fewer than SEVEN countries before getting to the US border. It boggles the mind that any legitimate asylum seeker has some ‘right’ to come specifically to our border ignoring these other safe ports…if you are legitimately in need of asylum an adjacent country should take you…you don’t get to ‘shop’….we all agree Costa Rica is a wonderful place. It’s the third – third! – country Venezuelans pass through on their trip here…fucking stop and stay there…

    Lastly, as someone who dealt with immigration issues directly with my immediate family and followed the rules, suffered delays, and didn’t get the outcome I wanted these gate jumpers piss me off.

    I would be much better off in Geneva or Luxembourg right now. Maybe I’ll hop a flight to Lyon and then run over one of those borders claiming asylum. I am a MAGA supporter after all which, as our President says, makes me an ‘enemy of the State’. Being declared such should weigh heavily in my favor toward a legitimate asylum claim….

    Bottom line this situation is a CHOICE by the current administration. Draping it in asylum, lack of infrastructure, and the ‘law’ is pre-election obfuscation by the Party who in the 20 months leading up to midterms made their choices and intentions very well known and are trying to distance themselves going into November.

    OC1, thanks for the links.

  99. leftwing says:

    “Libturd says: I say ship them everywhere. We should all share in the burden.”

    Making progress. At least the Left is now acknowledging illegal immigrants are a burden.

  100. OC1 says:


    You are argueing what you think the laws should be; I am telling you what the current laws are.

    BTW- Trumps “remain in Mexico” policy was only possible because it was a temporary public health measure re covid.

  101. Bystander says:


    I see it is other side of a coin. It is bipartisan, in the sense that neither side will pass any legislation that will impact the main beneficiaries of labor which is big business. Look at major H1B reform which Grassley (R) and During (D) . Dreamer act is Durbin and Lindsay Graham. Neither going anywhere for two decades So, we can laugh and cheer on Desantis thinking he is hurting the libs but it is a dumb circus. I find it funny that Rs claiming Marthas Vineyard and Nantucket are libs. I can assure you these people are conservative Rs in voting bc they don’t care about much other than paying least taxes. They got theirs and may talk game about inclusion but they pull R lever. My bro in law family has owned house in Nantucket for 4 generations. His father is biggest cheapskate who never shuts up about how nickled and dined people for a deal. He won’t pay for meals out. Guy is worth 20m or more easy. They talk blue but no way that man is voting D. This issue is Rich vs poor not R vs D.

  102. leftwing says:

    OC1, I don’t have the time or the desire to delve into these laws right now.

    My view is not my perception or wishlist; administrations can and do take wide latitude with laws, regulations, and practices. Also knowing their actions take a while to wind through the courts if they step over the line, inadvertently or otherwise.

    Again, if the law is that anyone can touch our border (“tag – no, I touched the tree, home free!”), then yell ‘asylum’, and then have free run of our country, its schools, its healthcare system, and its social services I would argue some administrative action is absolutely necessary.

    I can think of half a dozen avenues to thwart that law, assuming it is as you state…it is easily accomplished if that is the intention of an administration.

    Simplest? Pick up the phone to Mexico and offer them a carrot (with a stick also implied).

    All they – not us – need to do is set up an immigration ‘DMZ’ in Mexico adjacent to the border…any foreigner (non-US/Mexico citizen) who doesn’t have a visa for the US in their passport cannot get across that zone to gain access to the US territory or any US official. Easy peasy. You want admission, do it as has been previously done…go to the US Embassy in your country. Ask for asylum there, or a visa if you are an economic migrant. You are a ‘true’ asylum candidate? Guess what, you are now safely ensconced in Mexico. Welcome, and good luck in your new endeavors there.

    You know what happens the day a policy like that is discussed? Mexico shuts its southern border down to the caravans. They won’t even need to implement anything on their border with us.

    This train of humanity is only happening because this administration wants it to happen…pointing to laws, infrastructure, etc and saying “oh, but we can’t do anything” is nothing more than Dems trying to distance themselves from their stated unpopular policies ahead of midterms.

    For anyone researching the facts on these laws I also do not buy that DJT solely relied on COVID…my recollection is the Left was ripshit on him from Inauguration, and immigration was his first priority…remember ‘children in cages’? That was well before COVID, which only really surfaced in the final half year or so of his four year term.

    Every Administration has latitude in implementing policies and laws. This administration’s stated goal is to let this happen. At least be brave enough to own your party’s view. I own mine…shut the southern border hard, and I’ll stand behind it with reason, facts, and evidence. Don’t pussy out by throwing your hands in the air and saying “there’s nothing we can do, it’s out of our control”. It most certainly is not.

  103. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – You are wrong about Martha’s Vineyard, they voted Democrats for decades. Last time it was 80% Biden in 2020, 71% for Hillary in 2016, 72% for Obama’s 2nd term, 75% for Obama’s 1st term, etc etc.

  104. Bystander says:


    I was speaking to who people think are lib elite. Of course most of year around residents would be D in MA but no way summer mansion crowd skews that direction. It would be 50/50 or close.

  105. BRT says:

    Remember “we can’t afford a wall”?

  106. Juice Box says:

    Bystander – You mean Spike Lee, David Letterman, Carly Simon, James Taylor, Diane Sawyer, Larry David and a whole other bunch of rich Democrats like Obama, Hillary etc? These folks are all natural hypocrites whose commitment to diversity ends where their pebbled driveways of their 10 million dollar homes begin, not a single one offered to help the migrants for even one night stay at a hotel room instead of the hard church floor or a cot.

  107. The Great Pumpkin says:

    Great post!

    Hold my beer says:
    September 17, 2022 at 9:33 am

    Exactly. Look at property taxes. We pay 12k a year. But we had 2 kids in the school costing around 10k a year each. Throw in use of roads, library, parks and the town was probably losing 1ok to 12k a year on us. The town might be at break even on us with one kid now in college. Just think how much the town will be losing on
    a migrant family or multiple migrant families Living in the same house or apartment. But hey the lefties are standing with them
    While the Maga guy gets his lawn cut cheaper than a crew of college kids would charge.

  108. Ex says:

    Most maga-folk aren’t paying property taxes in flyover country.
    How they actually afford anything of a public infrastructure is Who knows.

  109. Very Stable Genius says:


    Congressman Matt Gaetz allegedly asked former President Donald Trump for a pardon before the end of his administration
    Gaetz is accused of paying a 17-year-old girl to cross state lines to engage in sexual activity with him
    He is currently at the center of an ongoing federal sex trafficking probe by the Department of Justice
    Former White House aide Johnny McEntee told the January 6 committee Gaetz admitted to him that a pardon ‘would be great’

  110. Juice Box says:


    Heated pool and hot tub today and some good tunes, who said summer was over?

  111. Libturd says:

    Remember “we can’t afford a wall”?

    That wasn’t the argument. It was whether or not it would do anything to stop the flow. If people are desperate, they will find a way. Just look at the tunnels in the Palestinian settlements.

    Quite frankly, I don’t mind open borders. I do mind the continued insider trading that takes place every day in Congress that would land our asses in jail if we did the same thing.

  112. The Great Pumpkin says:

    “’Move to a cheaper state.’ They say it as if it’s like changing deodorant brands.”

  113. Bystander says:


    Thanks for 12 D celebrities. It is true that R celebrities like Scott Baio and Ricky Schroeder probably can’t afford it. But, lots of R wealthy call it summer home including billionaire Abigail Johnson who called Trump ‘greatest pro-life president we’ve ever had’. Probably look at 5o richest families instead of just most famous.

  114. The Great Pumpkin says:

    And lastly:
    16. “The classic ‘Drink less Starbucks’ and ‘Stop eating avocado toast’ line. If someone is poor, I don’t think they’re buying expensive cups of coffee every day, and I’ve never even met anyone who easts avocado toast.”

  115. The Great Pumpkin says:

    From a 18 year history teacher…everything must be taken in perspective. If I had to choose a sentence to best describe learning about history…that would be it.

  116. 3b says:

    Bystander: But the Republicans are not the ones saying supporting the migrants, it’s many of the Democratic elites, why can’t you accept that? They are hypocrites. As soon as you accept the Dems including the Dem elites are a bunch of hypocrites s and they suck, then you will find peace.

  117. Ex says:

    I dunno there’s a whole lotta suck to go around. I’m bored with the extremes and the dogma. I’m happy in the middle. I don’t think anyone “sucks” but I know people on both sides I like quite a bit. Politics is a toxic dump. There is nothing stopping anyone from voting their conscience. The GOP has their narrative as does the DEM side. Neither are compelling. But the GOP seems to lack any real humanity.

  118. Ex says:

    Even more disappointing is how much money and energy is wasted on partisan nonsense and that has held back real progress on things like a solid electric grid and clean drinking water. We seem fixated on stupid things while the Country suffers a noticeable decline.

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