From MarketWatch:
How people bought homes in the 1980s when mortgage rates were 18%
For all the similarities between the 1980s and today, there are key differences. One of them involves “assumable mortgages,” which were plentiful then and are in short supply now.
Many mortgages were assumable at the dawn of the 1980s. With an assumable mortgage, the buyer not only gets ownership of the house but takes over the seller’s home loan, too. Picture yourself trying to buy a house when mortgage rates are in the double digits. You find a home seller who has an assumable loan with an interest rate in the single digits. That home may be affordable if you can take over the loan; it might not be affordable at a double-digit interest rate.
first
Second!
US Auto Sales…..October and November holy s^it!
https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/usa-auto-industry-total-sales-figures/
From ChatGPT:
write a 3 paragraph blog post on new jersey real estate
New Jersey real estate has long been a popular choice for homebuyers, thanks in part to its convenient location on the East Coast and its strong economy. The state is home to a number of thriving industries, including finance, pharmaceuticals, and technology, which has helped to fuel a strong real estate market.
In recent years, New Jersey has seen a resurgence in its real estate market, with home prices rising and a number of new developments popping up across the state. This has been particularly true in urban areas like Newark and Jersey City, where new luxury apartment buildings and high-rise condominiums have been built to meet the demand for housing.
Despite this growth, however, New Jersey still offers a range of affordable housing options for homebuyers on a budget. In many parts of the state, it’s still possible to find single-family homes and townhouses that are priced below the national average. This makes New Jersey an attractive option for first-time homebuyers and those looking to upgrade to a larger home without breaking the bank.
Maybe I’ll be able to find a deal on a car now.
Cops!
The former warden of a federal women’s prison in California where both Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman were jailed over the college admissions scandal has been found guilty of running a ‘rape club’.
Ray Garcia was found guilty of eight charges and now faces up to 15 years in prison. He sexually assaulted female inmates and made some pose naked in their cells.
Garcia was among five workers charged with assaulting inmates at the federal correctional institution in Dublin, California, and the first to go to trial.
Actresses Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin both served time in Dublin over the varsity blues scandal, although they’re not connected to the allegations made against Garcia.
Garcia, 55, retired from his post last year after the FBI found nude photos of inmates on his government-issued phone. During his trial, he tried to claim the photos had been taken by accident.
Garcia was charged with abusing three inmates between December 2019 and July 2021.
Time to make it legal to sell your organs to the highest bidder-better than making you pay to give them away.
https://9gag.com/gag/aVb3K9O#comment
PPI hotter than expected
Yup, futes down 16 on the news but coming back a little…not indicative, shit moves around. Talking heads doing best to downplay.
I just want someone to do something very irrational, my leveraged VIX position looking good, on the PPI she tried to touch 23 but backed off…can Putin drop a nuke, China invade Taiwan, or at least our non-binary radioactive waste chief stop stealing luggage and pilfer a traincar of reprocessed U235? Not asking for much.
Nice ChatGPT…anyway to write some code that hijacks a Pumpkin post and runs it through here before it hits the board?
Probably shouldn’t pick on him, and I hope as an existing Paterson teacher he’s getting some makewhole money on the back of new teachers are getting an actual bonus…gonna need it, his DNA stock hit 1.60s this week, at which point he’s down 50%….
So his picks so far are ARKK down around 75%, DNA down 50%, and pancakes a total loss? BRT was going to ask you for some short ideas maybe Pumps can just post some of longs instead.
Grain supplier pushed another steep price increase this week. I’ve lost count of how many times this year.
Maybe JPow will surprise with 75bps next week…now that would be a Christmas present.
At some point Budweiser is just going to become mostly fermented corn or rice syrup, maybe a little bit of malt for nostalgia.
Actually,
Pumps Pancake in a can is probably the best performer of them all since it never moves. Of course, there are no buyers for the stock. Though, they moved from mining Crypto back to food. This time, marshmallow in a can!
https://www.sh-mallow.com/
There’s a podcast now too.
On the car tip.
Come to papa. I expected a glut, but not so much they would have to unload. Huzzah.
These people are smoking diesel. This is absurd:
https://www.trulia.com/builder-community/The-Fairways-At-Edgewood-Cottages-Collection-6529419411/new-home/Plan-Heatherton-Ii/9064287246
Left: 75bp would certainly solidify the Feds credibility, and they never definitely said the Dec hike would only be 50bp.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-sen-kyrsten-sinema-leaves-democratic-party-registers-independent
LOLOLOLOLOL!!
Dear Joe Manchin…
I lived in Westwood for a few years. Had a starter home I renovated and a larger house that I built when I started a family. Never understood what people saw in Rivervale. Hard to get to. No mass transit. Sprawling suburbia with a lot of 1950s and 60s housing stock. No downtown and downtown Westwood isn’t close by for much of Rivervale.
Very ambitious pricing for that development. I wouldn’t want to be invested in that project. Poor timing.
At some point Budweiser is just going to become mostly fermented corn or rice syrup, maybe a little bit of malt for nostalgia.
Won’t matter, Americans will drink it anyway. Can’t live without the stuff.
Stat from 2010, with inflation I’d bet this number is at least double:
“In 2010, alcohol misuse cost the United States $249.0 billion.”
But Eddie
It boasts a private water closet.
Hahaha.
Those ain’t Grey Poupon smears on the wall either.
Too bad those engineers and rail workers didn’t tell the govt to go pound salt and go on strike.
Men aren’t men anymore.
Old Realtor,
I don’t get the pricing and draw of those townhouses. They’re cardboard boxes and nothing exclusive about them. If you’re going drop a million bucks, that wouldn’t be my choice.
Old: I understand there used to be a real north south divide between north and south River Vale. The south blue collar working class people, and the north wealthier , white collar types. I don’t know if that’s still the case. Westwood does have a nice town center, unlike most Bergen Co towns.
9:35 “…alcohol misuse …”
– tell me you get your news from the Daily Mail….without telling me.
My BIL is looking at places in Sarasota area, $800k-$1 million, to be built, told to expect Home Owners insurance around $23,000.
“This time, marshmallow in a can!…There’s a podcast now too.”
Innovation! GROWTH innovation! To the moon, baby!
3b, credibility is overrated. And like virginity, once it’s lost it’s gone forever…no one takes them seriously, look at FFR this whole time.
I’d like to get excited about Sinema (and Manchin if he ever pulls that trigger) but like nearly everything a politician does it’s about their narrow, cynical self-interest…no matter how much she talks about her fierce independence it comes down to her improving her re-election chances in 2024…much better odds in AZ as an indie…..Just like Sanders (I) she’ll continue to caucus with the Dems…
What a shame about the kid killing himself in part due to being pressured about his s3xuality. He was 14. Like he had a clue, that’s an eighth grader. The leftists pushing s3x and gender ideology on kids are pedophiles. Phil Murphy is the groomer in chief.
Banana,
Shiv Kulkarni? Kid was bullied and suffered from depression. Your take on the situation is quite twisted!
“What a shame about the kid killing himself in part due to being pressured about his s3xuality.”
Right. Perhaps if the kid wasn’t considered satanic by the church and subhuman from the right, he’d be alive today.
Jesus only forgives gay clergy apparently.
These are children, they haven’t even matured. There will be more more mental health problems they are subjected to adult topics are foster upon them. It’s abuse. The people pushing it are predators.
No one can change your sexuality. What are you? A caveman? And what scares you about a man loving another man? You probably crank it to lesbo porn, but feel the need to bash gays here. I guess we know what you use that banana for. Just be careful if you freeze it first.
Phoenix could probably explain why.
Twitter shadow banning confirmed in latest drop…
https://twitter.com/bariweiss/status/1601007575633305600
I don’t really get this whole Twitter free speech thing. No one is forcing anyone to use it. It’s not government owned or subsidized. If you want to spew controversy, there are a million other places to do it.
Quite frankly, I trust Twitter like I trust the Enquirer.
Just wondering what the big deal is?
I use it for two things. First, when news breaks, it breaks there way before any other outlet. Second, to read some funny sh1t.
If you are going there for politics, you are wasting your time. It’s all lies with or without any moderation.
1987,
He building near the water? That include flood insurance?
I didn’t think inland was so bad. But in a flood zone, you definitely pay both property taxes and insurance for luxury homes or condos. It’s not a low cost place to live upscale. Throw in the cost of country club membership too!
Last year we had a 16 year old boy kill himself down here, captain of soccer team and from all reports was a great kid. Sexuality had nothing to do with his suicide from what has been reported just depression.
We also had a 14 year old girl kill herself in Sept, great kid from all reports goalie on soccer team, great student and all and same thing depression cited.
2nd highest cause of death for teens is suicide and the rate has only increased nearly 50% since 1999.
Since the increase has coincided with the internet’s development, that would lead me to believe our connected world has something to do with it, the rise of the internet and smart phones apps, internet gaming voice and txt chat and ofcoure all forms of social media. The “bullying” cited in many of these suicide stories whether it’s sexuality, race, looks, weight or other seems to be all done online from what I can see reported, sure it can happen in person from what my kids tells me anyway, but the internet is impossible to police for bullying and all other forms of hate crimes or other. Take sexting amongst teens for example a decade ago the police were arresting kids for it, now you hear nothing about it, we know it is still happening but there is no longer much of an effort to stop it, well because it cannot be stopped much like any other bad behavior online.
We were at the pediatrician last week she told me in no uncertain terms to limit their time online as it is the cause of allot of issues such as ADD and depression issues amongst children. Same message every year, and I explain what I do as I have been cutting them off automatically at 9 PM and 10 PM. I might notch it down again, as well as check on the content restrictions on the iPhone devices to a make sure they are all still turned on.
“Shiv was scheduled to spend two weeks at a Massachusetts summer camp in the Berkshire Mountains that advertised itself as LGBTQ friendly,” the story says. “He came home after just four days. Some of the staff used homophobic slurs, Shiv said. If that wasn’t bad enough, kids made fun of him for being Indian.”
You sure he was Christian?
And if an LGTBQ&A etc picks on another LG…..etc for his ethnicity where does that land on the spectrum of the Left?
Lost my scorecard for your team….without it, impossible to keep all your ‘beliefs’ straight
https://patch.com/new-jersey/livingston/parents-livingston-student-who-died-2021-speak-out
Funny thing….we’re exploring a move “back east” perhaps to the Wilmington DE area.
California is “great” but I think long-term, it’s not a viable option for a couple that is closer to retirement than to starry eyed let’s spend all we can to live here thinking….LOL
What is driving you out of CA?
Sounds like you have a good setup, home purchased at the right time with built up equity? So housing not an issue?
I get taxes and CoL, but is the East Coast that big a difference to pick up and leave?
Asking for a friend ;)
Especially anywhere on East Coast with quality of life….
I’m sure it’s taxes.
re: ” whole Twitter free speech thing.”
Dude Elon laid of off 7,500 full time employees, and the site is running better than ever, few of those laid off were actually programmers. The rest were all part of some kind of trust and safety org they had built up around the world with thousands that did almost nothing but review tweets.
Heck their former global leader of trust and safety, Yoel Roth has been making the rounds of media complaining now. Guy really believes that “satire” need to be banned!!
Libs of Tikok and the Babylon Bee are “dangerous”. He banned them…It’s was ridiculous overreach…..and now we find out it was arbitrary, all personal whims….and not the rules as they laid out in the platform.
I guess, but what’s the delta?
Hard to tell as the brackets are very different (DE highest of 6.6% kicks in at 60k; CA highest doesn’t kick in until 625k) but take the second highest CA at 11.3% and the DE 6.6% to be comparable that’s 4.7%…if you’re beneath 312k in CA the delta is only 2.7%…
Money is money, but 2.7% of 312k is 8k? Or 600-700 dollars a month?
Asking because a move to say a TN or FL (which even I know would never happen with Ex) produces a pretty big delta….DE less, so just looking for insights, if there are any other (not highly personal) factors…
for lib re: taxes
CA is great, but housing is 2x – 3x – what we’d pay nearly anywhere else. We benefit to the tune of about $300-400k on the run-up in real estate. The only way to realize those gains is to sell. Then to turn around and buy another place? Not feasible.
Couple that with “opportunities” on the east coast in pharma and teaching and you get the picture. We’d actually make more money out east and spend 1/2 to live so the math is obviously in the favor of the East.
Ex – But snow and shitty weather for 6 months? Live close to the Mason Dixon line? You won’t be able to smoke your blunt poolside either, recreational marijuana is not legal there yet…
“If” the US goes into a hard recession all of the people out here paying 60% of their incomes to live are going to go parabolic. It’s going to be very very ugly.
I also have a lot of family in NC. Though I have no desire to live in NC, I’d like to be closer visa vis DE. To be near DC and Philly is also desirable for my kiddo who is interested in Gubmint.
Wife is looking at opportunities at a couple of Big Pharma firms. She’s a rock star Marketer, one of the best in the business. Here in SoCal we are talking a handful of firms for her to work for. Out East it’s much more competitive with some marquis firms dying for her skills.
I have no issue with moving every 6 years. It keeps thing fresh, but I would also like to find that sweet ranch on a 1/2 acre with tall leafy green trees. We literally live in a desert out here. Last week I hit a TUMBLEWEED on the highway and knocked out my front blinker. Yeesh
12:12 it’s only a matter of time….tick tick tick….:)
Talking to children about sexual practices is perverted period. So is teaching gender ideology to six year olds. Phil Murphy is Griner in chief.
Give it a rest. I am a HIGH GROWTH LONG-TERM investor. My bad that high growth has been smashed to pieces creating lovely long-term buying opportunities that you are crying about. Down 50%? Who gives a f/k? It’s an opportunity to increase my position at much cheaper costs all because of cycles…I love it. Next bull run, I will be selling it all into it at the top.
What I learned from all this so far….don’t hold forever. You ride the cycles. You sell when it gets high, and you buy when no one wants to touch it. Think of bio sector like oil a few years ago…no one wanted to touch it, and it was stupid cheap. Same thing will happen here. Just wait…
leftwing says:
December 9, 2022 at 8:52 am
Nice ChatGPT…anyway to write some code that hijacks a Pumpkin post and runs it through here before it hits the board?
Probably shouldn’t pick on him, and I hope as an existing Paterson teacher he’s getting some makewhole money on the back of new teachers are getting an actual bonus…gonna need it, his DNA stock hit 1.60s this week, at which point he’s down 50%….
So his picks so far are ARKK down around 75%, DNA down 50%, and pancakes a total loss? BRT was going to ask you for some short ideas maybe Pumps can just post some of longs instead.
Banana Joe has to do with the third world administration. A brain dead figure head, using the state power to suppress opposition, opening the border, using censorship, stripping people if their livelihood for not cooperating with their dictates, non stop propaganda, the country is unrecognizable.
In 2000, apple dropped 72%. In 2008, apple dropped 57%. How is this any different? You are that guy laughing at apple holders in 2000 and 2008 instead of buying it up and living the dream.
Here: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-07-29/california-exodus-continues-l-a-san-francisco-lead-the-way
The state is also seeing a dwindling middle class, said Ohanian, who cited a report from the National Assn. of Realtors, outlining that the national median home sales price has reached $416,000, a record high. Meanwhile, California’s median home price has topped $800,000.
“[California is] at a risk for becoming a state for very, very wealthy people and very, very low earners who receive state and local and federal aid that allows them to be able to live here,” Ohanian said. “We should worry about those in the middle who are earning that $78,000 household median income and is, at the end of the day, really struggling, especially if they have interest in buying a home.”
Gotcha. Spring some liquidity from RE sale without a commensurate decrease in house quality coupled with added income. Nice. Suck up the weather.
As to above, I have no idea how a single guy earning 78k in CA can reasonably survive, let alone a household…
Sam Briton pictures in the media now make allot more sense. We now find out he seems to be some kind of serial airport luggage klepto. He probably stole more than than just the two suitcases that he is now charged with. one in Minneapolis and now one in Vegas.
Look at his wardrobe pics in the media, perhaps hundreds of different outfits…It’s probably all from stolen luggage.
https://tinyurl.com/ycxy23a6
against my better judgement, I’m short XOM, and OXY. The market hysteria in oil has passed but they haven’t followed. I’m also holding short apple. Those are the individual stocks. I was short Silvergate because it looks like they are going to be bankrupt from lawsuits related to FTX but I closed.
Right now, I hold inverse spy, and inverse qqq, as I don’t have much time to focus on any individual companies. I hedge with long garbage tech down 80%. If there’s a rally, those pop but if there is a selloff, they seem to have found a floor. I try to sell those longs after every pop.
If you are down 80%, you’d probably have to ride another 4 decades of cycles to break even. And he was long DNA in the 10s.
I think that’s it’s also about options for the younger member of our family.
Who wants to saddle their kid with an overhead like that??
This is high growth….get real. lol
BRT says:
December 9, 2022 at 12:57 pm
If you are down 80%, you’d probably have to ride another 4 decades of cycles to break even. And he was long DNA in the 10s.
It’s an opportunity to increase my position at much cheaper costs all because of cycles
How much more did you buy? Nothing, got it.
also, a lot of my dollars are in Yen & Swiss Franc
12:52 son of Lex Luther ???
On Twitter,
I still argue, who cares. It’s their company to do with it what they want. I can’t post a dick pick on Facebook, but apparently, it’s all the range on Tinder.
Why aren’t people going crazy over Facebook censorship.
Listen. If the government owned and ran Facebook, then I get it. But Twitter has no guarantee of free speech.
I was once arrested for criminally trespassing at a store in Paramus that ripped me off. I said I had every right to be there. They said I did not. THEY were right.
I didn’t agree with it, but I don’t make the laws. And no one likes satire and misses it more than I do. I have faith, it will be back in a major way.
Ex: Good luck on your decision, but Wilmington DE?? It doesn’t get more dull and boring then that city.
3B I’ve lived all over the place. My interest lie in home recording and Art making.
Literally does not matter “where” I live as these are primarily indoor pursuits.
We’re in proximity to a couple of major cities as well as Rehoboth. Nothing is final, it’s just discussion at this point. We shall see. Nothing is for sure. I do like to hear people’s perceptions of these areas.
How people bought homes in the 1980s when mortgage rates were 18%
That’s a joke , todays rate is 6.47% for 30 years and 5.48% for adjustable rate. Yet people are crying like little spoiled babies. In the last two months I have tried to purchase two separate houses ( both were handyman specials needing thousands $$$ for renovation) both were gone within hours of hitting the market. I am looking for a project because I have a hard time handling retirement.
We also have a friend who sold their house for $700,000. It took a few months, but that is the way it should be, bidding wars create inflation.
I also purchased many buildings @ 6 to 9% interest over the years, that separates the dreamers from the real people . Government did more harm to the economy by keeping rates so low, does Powell have the balls to raise rates to 9%???
Lib – re: “who cares”
..Says the American not worried about getting arrested for voicing their thoughts online.
It’s a free speech pendulum conversation.
In liberal Europe, speech online is regulated more than the USA.
In England, Australia, Denmark, Germany and other places you can get arrested under their communications laws for any complaint of an “offensive” comment or even “causing anxiety”.
Also if you comment in England that you think a you think the defendant in a criminal case definitely did it, you’re in “Contempt of court” and can be arrested. It happens allot more than most Americans realize.
For example I think Sam Brinton did it’ he stole that luggage and is guilty. Well if this was England I could be arrested.
I don’t need to tell you what happens in Russia, China, or Iran…off to gulag, disappeared to a labor camp for reeducation or well dead and buried.
We sit here and say who cares? Well one day it might be you and your opinion that land you in the clink again……
BRT, long some oil along with those energy company shorts. Pair trade I considered, oil near low, there is a baseline of usage even in a recession, plus a big China re-open play. Companies overbought. Don’t think they go down because of crude declines…could actually turn out win/win.
ex – : re: – “Literally does not matter “where” I live” and “We’re in proximity to a couple of major cities (in Wilmington)”
That is the tell right there. I think you are looking at Delaware because you do not want it admit that you are a Jersey boy and will be sneaking over the border to buy contraband New Jersey goods….like good bagels and pizza..and you may start visiting the Jersey Shore again…
Juice,
I guess I separate the government from the corporate (though in many cases, they are on the same team). I would die to protect our free speech. But I still respect the rights of Twitter to ban whomever they want to.
More important than free speech is having the freedom to pick and choose what to believe.
Lib – Publicly traded company at the time, the executives of twitter lied to the media and their shareholders about it, now some are doing a CYA tour over banning satire. They are on record and now we find as I had said earlier it was not policy or rules it was arbitrary and political.
What got me going about the shadow banning was they banned scientific debate, real doctors and scientists who objected to Covid lockdowns and the effect it would have on children and others. Well they banned many of them and went with the government dogma instead…
Cape May!! Baby that’s where my heart is.
Pizza for sure. We miss it. Yeah, and as the dad of a Jersey Girl I say the region is certainly filled with goodness. Stay tuned. :) Mostly, it is a desire to cash out on a RE Market for the first time. Being able to come to a place where $450k buys you a great home is very very appealing.
The bagels and pizza suck in Delaware. Just saying.
Want to know the truth. Buy one of those dilapidated multi-families in Atlantic City.
Here’s one where you can easily find some tatted homos (maybe ask BananainthebuttJoe) to cover your mortgage.
Beach block
11K in taxes
Tenessee Beer Hall and The Irish Pub on the same block. The Central Pier with Go-Carts and rides for the kids at the end of the block and the world’s largest indoor water park going up four blocks away. Just don’t walk around outside at night and you’ll be fine. There’s a great coffee house nearby too (hayday) just a half block away.
Trust me, it’s gentrifying. If I was 30 right now, I would buy up every one of them I could.
Juice,
Still their choice. If they were wrong, then the public should decide.
Forget the AC link
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/171-S-Tennessee-Ave_Atlantic-City_NJ_08401_M58305-11613
I’m looking for something a little more bucolic.
1/2 acre, some trees, NO swimming pool. Nice quiet place.
If I was “30” I’d be more interested in staying out west.
Well then you should be up in arms. The fbi, Fauci and the Biden administration all coordinated with big tech to suppress news, opinion, criticism. They trampled all over the constitution. If you watch only the propaganda networks, you likely haven’t heard.
DE, where NJ teachers go to retire. As you know my wife is a teacher. We still have time but looking at maybe Maryland-VA area, do not want to go to far south. Think it also depends on where the kids end up.
Does the government own or run the networks?
Sorry Bananabutt.
BJ (not surprised),
You were a Trumpy. Right?
Didn’t he boot every center to left-wing reporter out of nearly every WH press conference?
You might not have noticed this since you only believe in conspiracy nonsense and biblical teachings.
2:20 yeah baby!!
Here’s your freedom of speech Bananabutt
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-bans-journalists-white-house-reporters-press-hard-pass-a8906781.html
Ex: Understand. We like Rehobeth Beach, nice combination of beach and a town. You cm get there early and park your car all day( a little pricey, but not bad for a whole day), go for lunch, then back to the beach then the same again for dinner if you like. It’s very clean as well.
The people in the slower lower as they call south Delaware, don’t like the Wilmington, no Delaware crowd. They consider Wilmington as part of the massive Philly / south Jersey crowd urban crowd. People in south Delaware even have a bit of a southern accent.
That has almost nothing to do with the first amendment. Those propagandists are free to create as much fake news as they want, and I’m sure it was a lot. They aren’t entitled to the white House providing them a platform to grandstand.
Biden and Fauci are both being sued for using their office to have dissenters silenced. That’s political oppression and violated the first amendment. Third world stuff. Where the outrage.
Still talking about Trump while the pedophile party peddles trash to innocent kids. I agree with Banana Joe… the level of deviousness by the left is nauseating. Every proposal now seems to focus on gender, s.ex, gelded suggestions and s0cial deviation. The party of blue collar men has been transformed into some perverted version of a warped progressive movement. We’re destroying our youth by exposing them to poison instead of teaching them fundamentals. You see the latest from American Girl? They introduced a new girls’ guidebook that reportedly advises children struggling with body image issues to ask their doctors for puberty blocking medications and to seek transgender support without parental consent “if you don’t have an adult you trust.” This is fucking madness.
Eddie,
You really believe these one offs? It’s all how you raise your children. It really doesn’t matter what the school teaches, the news reports, or that a drag queen is reading your kid a book. It does not make them any more likely to be gay.
The truth is. What is ten times worse, is when your gay kid is being raised in a society where their faith in God tells them their unwanted gay thoughts are sins and that if they want to act on their sexual proclivities, they must do it in secret. And you wonder why so many kids are offing themselves. It’s because society won’t accept them. In the past, so many gays just made believe they were straight, had families, all to a miserable end. Today, they understand what they are feeling, see that it is not abnormal and then have to deal with people who have not evolved past the days of the horse and carriage.
The wolf is in the hen house Eddie
Lib, love you like a brother, but your ability to self rationalize when the position you support is caught blatantly wrong is amazing…
COVID was going to kill everyone, have to lock people down, if you don’t comply you’re effectively a selfish murderer of grandma and grandpa. Facts show the lockdowns were of marginal utility and the massive, negative economic consequences continue to this day..You: eh, the lockdowns really weren’t that bad, just a couple months…
Here, the issue isn’t the 1st Amendment (yet, let’s see where Musk’s email dumps lead). The issue is that for years anyone who discussed that Twitter was wildly liberal biased was gaslighted or worse….’conspiracy theorists’, ‘red hatted dolts’, ‘TDS’, etc. Now we see that as Dorsey is in front of Congress and as a publicly listed company CEO he’s asserting similarly that such bias wasn’t occurring while at the same, and in contact with Dorsey, his direct report is literally making up ‘macro’ reasons to ban a publisher (Libson TikTok) admitting in the same email that they have no reason to do so under their rules, they just want to.
Can’t do that in front of Congress or as a public company CEO. And, since Twitter is more than ‘just some company’ lying directly to your customers’ faces is at the very least a really shitty thing to do, especially given the topics at hand.
But, hey, the facts don’t support your long held narrative so let’s tap dance to what’s the big deal?
2:45 I know that you are desperately trying to find “something” to believe in or faight against, but you sound deranged.
The end is nigh, hotel bathroom edition.
https://nypost.com/2022/12/09/i-make-pizza-in-a-hotel-bathroom/
Fast Eddie, for you….without looking at any caption is this the work of Pumpy buying stocks or the work of your nuclear radiation director?
NSFW
https://twitter.com/SebGorka/status/1598546346641719296/photo/1
Damn link, upper left hand photo…
leftwing says:
December 9, 2022 at 3:09 pm
Leftwing = sanity and common sense.
We have now had two presidents in a row that have broken numerous laws and both have done horrible jobs. Yet we all pay for it. So sad.
You are making it political. Left. I knowingly admit Twitter is biased. So are most tech-related companies. It’s only natural. They are filled with recent college students who have advanced quite further than the some of the conservatives here who wish the lightbulb had never been invented.
I never question the bias. I am happy for the Elon dump. I think he is just another egotistical jackass with shit for brains. And I’ve always had that opinion of him. How anyone could idolize an asshole who plugged DogeCoin on SNL speaks volumes to the collective lack of intelligence to the human race.
So just because Elon has proven Twitter moderated to the left has nothing to do with my arguments about freedom of speech.
Make a twitter that only allows right wing views. No sweat off of my hairy back.
Listen. If I owned a company, I sure as hell would want it to be the least regulated by the government as is possible for many, many reasons. All of a sudden, you want the government regulating what is posted on Social Media? But they should not be regulating our lives? You can’t have it both ways.
And, I really could give two shits about all of this political stuff. Not sure what proving Fauci or Twitter or any of these lies does. All marketing is lying too. The milk chocolate candy melts in your mouth, not in your hand. But the sugar shell on the outside of it gets all over the fucking place. Listen, all politicians lie. I don’t doubt for a minute The Big Guy exists. But what does this prove? We all know these politicians only care about themselves and would rape their own children if it got them another vote. Every decision they make is an attempt to maintain their electability to their base. The lying? We never hold anyone to it. Why would they stop?
Lib, Son who is very open minded came home from CCD the other day, asked him how it was and he laughed, topic was gay marriage and how they do not belong.
Nothing wrong with that Trick, as long as you support the Taliban too.
Lib, think it came across the wrong way. He is against their thoughts, he was laughing because it was absurd.
Banana and Fast Eddie,
Hatred and ignorance are what you preach. If you were truly concerned about teen suicide you would be preaching acceptance. You have it all inside out and backwards. You guys appear to have the reasoning abilities of a 12 year old. Explain what kind of inducement would be required to groom you into being gay or transgender.
Lib: I don’t think because they are recent college grads that automatically makes them more enlightened, or necessarily more tolerant. Tolerant of things that some Conservatives are not tolerant of, but certainly not more tolerant, and certainly not of people who have different views. I also notice too that some recent college grads lack the critical thinking skills, and can be easily flustered, especially if something goes against their world view; they don’t seem to like rigorous debate. Perhaps, the times we live in, or the product of some colleges today, or a combination of both.
You really believe these one offs? It’s all how you raise your children. It really doesn’t matter what the school teaches, the news reports, or that a drag queen is reading your kid a book. It does not make them any more likely to be gay.
I could care less if you’re gay, straight, banging vegetables, whatever. I walked through shooting galleries, literally pulled friends out of shooting galleries at all hours of the night from Alphabet city, found the weirdest joints with the weirdest people mulling about, etc. You’re missing the point… the democrats have become a party of fucking freaks and are destroying our youth. Kids should be guided, be taught fundamentals… THAT’S IT! Let them decide what they want to do as adults. Don’t fill their heads with shit to think about other than school work and activities. You’re wrong, dead wrong and dead wrong. Nothing will change my mind and no amount of this leftists savvy bullshit is going to fly. You don’t want to include religion? Fine. Send them to public or private school. Oh, and religion teaches fundamentals, not an onslaught of pervasion and persuasion. The left is destroying this country.
No. I understood it exactly as you intended. My point is, if the CCD teacher wants to teach your kid that being gay is evil because that is how God sees it. Then, that same God (yes Muslims believe in Jesus too) says women should not be educated and should be covered from head to toe in cloth. So you can’t believe just one. It’s really all or nothing. And how stupid and simple-minded you must feel to believe in all.
2:45 I know that you are desperately trying to find “something” to believe in or faight against, but you sound deranged.
Omg, you are so off base that I can’t even find the words.
Old Realtor…
Lol. Geezus… am I speaking another language? What part are you not getting?
World cup is crazy,
Eddie,
You love a Boogie Man. Got to have someone to blame or you aren’t satisfied. Doesn’t appear to matter if any of it is true.
Eddie,
Take a break from the rags. It’s not the Left or the Right that is causing the decline in what I’ll call decency in our society. It’s the drop in the quality of our lives due to the appropriation of the spoils of our resources almost entirely to the rich. Internationally, we have fallen from our mighty place as saviors to the planet. We can no longer afford to do so as who would it benefit? The greater society is no longer of importance. It’s all about me, me, me.
Honestly, you should be ecstatic that the Left chooses to help the poor through welfare. If they did not, this country would look more like Brazil. Fear not. We will get there. And allowing gays to marry won’t be the cause of it, nor would teaching people gays are satanic.
Personally, I believe in live and let live. It’s why I am strongly for gay rights. I know you can’t be turned gay. Nor can you be made straight. And I agree with you that the Left has become a little too focused on it. But it was the right that has decided to make reproductive rights (or a lack of them) and other religious causes a cornerstone of their platform. So don’t get too upset about gender issues. At the end of the day, they really don’t effect you or me nearly as much as say, another huge tax break on the rich from the Trump Tax Act, or another Democrat funding a bullsh1t green company that produces nothing but revenue for it’s owner/campaign contributor.
Trust me. Donald and Hillary and Obama want us fighting over this stuff. It keeps us from paying attention to the stuff that really matters. Like the economic welfare of our country.
In news that matters to me. I see the market took a bit of a dump at the end of the day.
Hmmmm.
What part don’t I get? Have you considered that being gay doesn’t make someone a pedophile. Grooming is a myth.
Banana writes all sorts of ignorant drivel and you agree with him and parrot the same stupidity. Open your mind and stop promoting fear through falsehoods.
BTW – It took nearly 3 years for the Rona to finally get me. We have all tested positive for Covid here in my house as of last night. My wife seems to have the most symptoms, my youngest has a raspy cough & mild fever, my eldest has the runs and aches and pains and a mild fever.
I have no symptoms whatsoever. Was a bit tired yesterday, but today I feel fine, no sore throat no cough, no fever or fatigue etc. I attribute my well being to the copious amounts of Yerbe Santa herbal supplements I have been taking for the last few years and four vaccination shots.
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“You are making it political. Left…some of the conservatives here who wish the lightbulb had never been invented.”
Hmmmmm. Pot, kettle thang?
“So just because Elon has proven Twitter moderated to the left has nothing to do with my arguments about freedom of speech.”
So we both agree on free speech. Not the Leftist version, which is freedom of speech so long as they agree with what you say? And not absolute, but Holmes’s Schenck decision of fire in a crowded theater limits?
“All of a sudden, you want the government regulating what is posted on Social Media?”
After nearly two decades here you are asking that of ME?
The ultimate hypocrisy here is that GOOG, TWTR, META, SNAP, etc only exist because of Section 230…passed by the Feds to protect providers of services who are not publishers from litigation due to what is posted on their sites. Anyone want to make a straight faced argument that a provider selecting some content over other content (in all its forms from user deletion to shadow banning) is not actually a publisher and culpable?
“And, I really could give two shits about all of this political stuff. Not sure what proving Fauci or Twitter or any of these lies does…Listen, all politicians lie…Every decision they make is an attempt to maintain their electability to their base. The lying? We never hold anyone to it. Why would they stop?”
Red herring with incredibly faulty logic. And back to the ‘eh, what does it matter’ safe space.
There is always going to be some part of the population that is going to murder others. So since it is inevitable we should just accept it as reality and not prosecute any of them? I mean, why would they stop?
Old realtor..re: “Grooming is a myth”
What????? Planet do you live on????
Grooming is a legitimate term related to sexual abuse… Case in point convicted jailbird and Epstein groomer Ghislaine Maxwell.
Are you saying there are only straight groomers? I can dig up legal cases if you like, I should not have too, go ask google…
Here do some edumacating.. you can try both links…one for man/boy and one for man/girl
There won’t be any kind of shortage of cases and convictions you will find. Heck google your own town find out how many teachers were busted in your town or state for grooming and illegal sexual contact.
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+charged+with+grooming+boys
https://www.google.com/search?q=man+charged+with+grooming+girls.
In my time as a teacher, there have been 3 actual pedos that were discovered in the buildings that I work in. You know…the gym teachers always dreaded teaching health because they had to discuss this crap. No sane person would ever want to. It’s awkward enough with your own kids. If you have anyone insisting on having a discussion to children of any school age on these topics, you should approach them with massive scrutiny and skepticism. The schools should stick to teaching academics.
Shocker
Majority of Americans don’t want Biden or Trump to run again in 2024, CNBC survey shows
Sanders apparently giving 2024 a hard look if Biden does not run. Bernie is 81.
Does the Super 8 next door have hourly rates? Pura Vida indeed.
Libturd says:
December 9, 2022 at 2:07 pm
Forget the AC link
https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/171-S-Tennessee-Ave_Atlantic-City_NJ_08401_M58305-11613
Kamala Harris wants Joe Biden to run again with her on the ticket, 25th amendment and all her odds of making it to the presidency dead or alive are pretty good.
Fast Eddie says:
December 9, 2022 at 3:59 pm
You really believe these one offs? It’s all how you raise your children. It really doesn’t matter what the school teaches, the news reports, or that a drag queen is reading your kid a book. It does not make them any more likely to be gay.
I could care less if you’re gay, straight, banging vegetables, whatever. I walked through shooting galleries, literally pulled friends out of shooting galleries at all hours of the night from Alphabet city, found the weirdest joints with the weirdest people mulling about, etc. You’re missing the point… the democrats have become a party of fucking freaks and are destroying our youth. Kids should be guided, be taught fundamentals… THAT’S IT! Let them decide what they want to do as adults. Don’t fill their heads with shit to think about other than school work and activities. You’re wrong, dead wrong and dead wrong. Nothing will change my mind and no amount of this leftists savvy bullshit is going to fly. You don’t want to include religion? Fine. Send them to public or private school. Oh, and religion teaches fundamentals, not an onslaught of pervasion and persuasion. The left is destroying this country.
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/elite-chicago-private-schools-dean-of-students-brags-about-bringing-in-lgbtq/
Governor Murphy any word on him he went under the knife wednesday, all radio silence… Did he transition or just get a lift? He does want to be president after all.
Chi – re: Alphabet city
I was a late night regular at Max Fish in the 1990s, the crap I had seen down there too late at night even by Katz’s deli was enough to curl ones toes neverminded the other darker corners of that NYC neighborhood.
$20,000/month was what they wanted for rent at Max Fish before they had to close about 9 years ago and moved to Brooklyn. Neighborhood is not the same dump anymore….
Juice: Saw some interesting shit back in the day when CBGB’ s was around. Everything and anything. I don’t know what replaced it, probably some dull fusion type place or cocktail bar.
This Country is destroying itself.
Not a left or right issue. Both have a hand in our demise.
Google it.
Chi – That story is crazy, for a high school anywhere. Look I lived in NYC as an adult in apartments in both Chelsea and the Village and spent plenty of time around LGTB people at work and socializing. There are some darker sides to the whole thing, but trying to normalize that behavior? What is next fisting day at the high school where men and women perform a show and tell? Let’s bring in a donkey show too incase you are interested in how they do it in Mexico…
Look we all know they can find it anyway on the internet so no need for the butt plug show and tell. I agree with BRT and you…taught fundamentals and move on…
Same. Always found it repulsive but do not want to stifle others.
If that’s you’re thing. It has no place in the schools.
“Your” ….
3b – Saw many a great show at CBGB’s myself, the old rock scene is virtually extinct in NYC now but some of the newer rock clubs from the 1990s like the Mercury Lounge and Bowery Ballroom are still there…
Lib – If I am not mistaken houses like that were going for a 1/2 million back in early 2008.
Chi- I looked it up for you $38 a night, hourly is ask the girl on the first floor… Even the worst night ever gambling and losing my shirt in AC at the crack of dawn and nowhere to say I’d rather sleep at the rest stop on the parkway than that Motel 8.
I reposted Fast Eddie…… those comments are his…. only the link is mine….
I post stuff for the sake of discussion. It does not necessarily represent my views.
That said, having grown up in NYC, why don’t we stick to 3 three R’s? We are watering everything down….. THAT is the concern.
Juice: It was a great spot! Big punk place back in the day! I did not realize the Mercury and Bowery were still going. I am surprised they get the people. I agree, the rock scene is pretty much dead, nothing new either as far as I know, but I am trapped in the 70s 80”s maybe early 90s. We were at a wedding in October, and all the music was rap/ hip hop. It just does not do anything for me. It’s just empty.
Anybody else:
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Circle jerks and TSoL are playing the Ventura theater – what year IS this??
“For a crash to occur, positions have to be heavily long, leverage must be significant and there has to be a catalyst that would force levered risk overweights to want to liquidate all at once.. i have a hard time seeing sources for any of these”
Ex says:
December 9, 2022 at 11:42 am
“….we’re exploring a move “back east”…”
Sounds like Ex is looking to get out of Dodge before Gov Hairspray hits him with a tax increase to cover slavery reparations. What a hypocrite!
https://www.bet.com/article/0c8irn/california-reparations-payments-could-exceed-200000-per-person
Sad to see such intellectual dishonesty from Lib, who’s typically a bit more balanced than dyed-in-the-wool stooges like Ex, Flab and Old. Surely Lib knows the issue with Twitter was it’s hypocrisy, it’s lack of adherence to it’s own stated policies, and the fact that it was literally nothing more than a Republican/conservative censorship operation. Their censorship/coverup of a legitimate news story about the potential corruption of a presidential candidate two weeks before the election should be of concern to every citizen.
That’s f’ing insane! Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Punishing current generations for the sins of previous generations is outright theft and might even be worse than the original sin. You are punishing people that aren’t racist and have never owned a slave…that’s wrong.
SmallGovConservative says:
December 9, 2022 at 7:54 pm
Ex says:
December 9, 2022 at 11:42 am
“….we’re exploring a move “back east”…”
Sounds like Ex is looking to get out of Dodge before Gov Hairspray hits him with a tax increase to cover slavery reparations. What a hypocrite!
https://www.bet.com/article/0c8irn/california-reparations-payments-could-exceed-200000-per-person
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7:54 you are really up on things….! Bless your heart.
Juice,
To your comments about grooming, read this…
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/what-grooming-truth-behind-dangerous-bigoted-lie-targeting-lgbtq-community
Being a member of this small community is educational. Keeps me aware that hate and fear still override rational thought in otherwise intelligent people.
Twitter . . .
They hard-banned a story about Hunter Biden’s laptop. If the story was true, a reasonable implication was that Joe Biden is the “big guy” and might have been poised to receive 10% of his son’s deal with foreign nationals. This story was breaking during the 2020 election, when voters were choosing the next president and presumably such info might have affected their vote. . At the time, twitter and the msm were ignoring the story.
Further, as noted above, Twitter execs, including Vijaya G. denied denied denied any anti-conservative bias as the ravings of tbe unhinged.
Now, Musk bought Twitter and the internal communications are out there. They CONFIRM twitter’s internal anti-right bias, which was previously denied. Further, we now have confirmed very direct communication channels between the powerful and twitter staff (I.e., If a Biden staffer or a celebrity contacts a twitter staffer about a problematic tweet, a twitter staffer would actually respond and take action – contrast with regular people trying to contact twitter).
I heard a stat on consercative radio this morning (not sure if true). The CBS, NBC and ABC evening newscasts receive 25M viewers each night collectively. These three news casts covered the Twitter files update for 7 seconds (only ABC and only a passing mention).
So, obviously this is not a First Amendment issue legally. It’s not direct government censorship or legal criminal consequences for speech.
However, any reasonable citizen can see this whole thing squarely violates the spirit of the First Amendment. The powerful are using their power to influence what ideas are spread in the US. And, perhaps we should all be skeptical about the picture presented by the msm – by the nyt, abc, etc. because we have some evidence of a jarring omission here.
Finally, I disagree with much social leftist ideas. I disagree racism is a huge problem in American society, for example. However, I wouldn’t want any social network or news organization deliberately suppressing content espousing such an idea from the public discourse. I’d hope those on the left would agree. I believe in a marketplace of ideas as a powerful mechanism for improving the conditions of humanity.
Old realtor says:
December 10, 2022 at 7:23 am
Being a member of this small community is educational. Keeps me aware that hate and fear still override rational thought in otherwise intelligent people.
So I guess you are very angry with what the Biden administration , Democratic party, and twitter did to make sure the truth was completely covered up. Of course what person would not be, it is the direct opposite of what Democracy is all about.
There is a fine line between having moral authority versus being overly sensitized to any opinions that do not follow the correct way to think.
I have two younger teenagers. I also have older teenagers and young adults in my extended families. What I see is a barrage of confusing information being tossed in the laps of vulnerable kids, that end up being unhappy and isolated. They are being sold a bill of goods. The same information at 18 is a totally different dynamic.
Old realtor says:
December 10, 2022 at 7:23 am
Being a member of this small community is educational. Keeps me aware that hate and fear still override rational thought in otherwise intelligent people.
Rumor has it that O’Biden is reading Trump’s book, “The Art of the Deal” after getting duped in the Griner trade.
Good one Eddie! How ya feelin’ sport?
So I guess you are very angry with what the Biden administration , Democratic party, and twitter did to make sure the truth was completely covered up. Of course what person would not be, it is the direct opposite of what Democracy is all about.
No, he’s not. He was on the board telling us why the laptop was fake when it was released. And probably unwilling to admit to himself he was lied to and he believed it.
Fast Eddie says:
December 10, 2022 at 10:02 am
I am curious if Griner will turn her back on the American flag when our national anthem is played? That is her normal MO.
Saturday mornings I have breakfast with a bunch of old guys, two are veterans from the Viet Nam War, both of them believe she will still turn her back on the flag… time will tell. If she does she should be sent back to Russia. That would be a big FU to the USA.
Jim,
She’s a fake, like the rest of her ilk. She’s a poser, a follower, a weakling, like all the rest on that side of the aisle. She should be humbled to high heaven but I doubt it.
Vietnam vets had their own country turn against them-hell, they were drafted then came back to be spit on, or sent to hell holes they call VA hospitals.
One who is rational would think that if you were dragged out of your bed and sent into the rice paddies to get blown to bits, returned home, got spit on, then had a viable leg amputated since it was cheaper— you might get the picture.
I guess when this happens at 18 you look at it differently than if they pulled this crap and drafted you at 35..
Old realtor still has not opined about teaching children about deviant behaviors. You ok with a dildo show and tell for all teenage girls and boys? Where is the line drawn?
My father was a WW2 vet. Gave the VA a couple of tries- never went back, used Medicare instead until his last breath.
You wanna learn about deviant behaviors, have your son become an altar boy.
The Catholic Church seems to know how to provide the best lessons for that.
Have to say, it seems like those drafted into war are more patriotic and better human beings than those that enlist just to become future police officers so they can light up a teenager sitting in his car with his girlfriend eating a hamburger.
https://youtu.be/UaWtmSGJ5vE?t=36
You wanna learn about deviant behaviors, have your son become an altar boy.
I served for 4 years, it was a good experience. What’s the problem?
Good question. I wonder if it’s possible for you to figure it out on your own. Probably not though since you can’t figure out how to open a bank account or CD online.
Sick Bastards are Twitter are gone now, they refused to take down child porn, the former head of trust and safety Yoel Roth was even advocating for allowing teens on Grindr.
There is more to come, Elon and others are tweeting about it now, several people just resigned, seems they don”t like Elon cleaning up the cesspool.
https://twitter.com/elizableu/status/1601597516797313024
12:04 exactly. Now you see. The narrative rarely meets the reality until it does.
The Catholic church finally admitted 150 years ago it was wrong to castrate kids.
To those of you traveling during the holiday, a little public service announcement.
A reason to keep in the right lane at all times while the Boozers are out there driving:
“Most wrong way collisions occur in the lane closest to the median. The NTSB found that 7 out of 9 wrong way collisions occur in this lane”
“The majority of wrong way drivers are intoxicated. As you might imagine, this is by and large the most common cause of wrong way accidents. A meta-analysis by the NTSB found that more than half and as many as three quarters of wrong way accidents are the fault of a drunk driver. In the cases where the blood alcohol level of the driver could be found, the majority of at-fault drivers were found to have a BAC at or above .15—almost twice the legal limit.”
Be like Lib when he is in Atlantic City winning at the table- keep right during the alcohol drinking season- play the odds-and keep right.
“There is a notion that tech stocks crashed because interest rates rose. That is in part true, as many tech stocks previously traded at bubbly valuations and the tightening monetary policy proved quite efficient in addressing the bubbles. But valuations have arguably swung too far in the other direction. Consider that Alphabet (GOOG) (GOOGL) is now trading at 20x earnings (that is before accounting for net cash and includes losses from Google Cloud and Other Bets) yet Pepsi (PEP) trades at 26x earnings. You’ll be hard pressed to find many investors who believe that PEP has a stronger long term outlook than GOOGL. All things being equal, GOOGL arguably should trade at a materially higher multiple than PEP.”
This argument is not dispositive.
Is CBDC world wide reset a probability?
Juice,
Did you read the article I posted from the Anti Defamation League? That is what I am discussing. You want to discuss an article about Project Veritas and that school in Chicago. Because it is Project Veritas there is reason to be suspicious of the reality and reliability of the story.
In short, I know of no public schools with a curriculum that mandates the type of instruction you are discussing. Therefore I won’t respond to your fear mongering.
As to Jim and BRT conflating my comments with the Twitter discussion. I am not interested in Twitter and have not opined about Hunter’s laptop. I made a specific point about “gay grooming” being a fallacy based on fear and hate. Not sure how anyone confused my comments with being related to Twitter.
And on the subject of hate and fear of those who are different…
Jim says:
December 10, 2022 at 11:00 am
Fast Eddie says:
December 10, 2022 at 10:02 am
I am curious if Griner will turn her back on the American flag when our national anthem is played? That is her normal MO.
Saturday mornings I have breakfast with a bunch of old guys, two are veterans from the Viet Nam War, both of them believe she will still turn her back on the flag… time will tell. If she does she should be sent back to Russia. That would be a big FU to the USA.
Chicago,
Banana Joe is a troll. Go back and read the intentionally inflammatory stupidity he posted in the comment thread. It is an out and out lie intended to promote hate. I specifically posted an article from the ADL on the subject because it is an unimpeachable source. This isn’t about a narrative. It is about promoting hate based upon lies.
The people promoting this particular lie know it is a powerful weapon. Who isn’t protective of their children? Look at all of the emotional reaction to the subject here.
I am a Jew. As a Jew I have been subjected to hate based on lies told for so long they are widely believed to be truths. I have no tolerance for the type of stupidity posted by Banana Joe. Hope you don’t either.
OLd Realtor- Not so fast you quoted the left’s talking point “grooming is a myth” and I called you out on it, as well include a real life example and you dismiss it as if it was made up. Nobody believes all men are rapists, or all priests rape boys, or all women teachers accused of sexual assault on of their students are innocent.
BTW the ADL is not unimpeachable, they have a sordid past when it comes to minorities and seemingly have no opinion on the human rights of many other groups because it does not fit their narrative, they are no more an authority on grooming than I am. You still cannot call it a myth, that is simply not true and you know it. I can list thousands of examples but I should not have to, we have reports from our own teachers here too are you calling them liars? It”s a political talking point, simply because of the legislation in Florida and other states. Just like everything in life the truth lies somewhere in between. I am going to ask you again where do you draw the line when it comes to sex Ed in schools? Just teach the basics or do we head down the various fetish rabbit holes? Like all things in life you seem to have an opinion how about this one?